Pyro's Most Underrated Weapon
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- The perfect Pyro secondary for any of my fellow movement players. I am surprised by the lack of Scorch Shot slander in this video to be honest, I only included a little bit as a treat.
0:00 - I 'Love' Pyro
1:21 - Introduction
2:53 - The Detonator
5:02 - Basic Jump Guide
6:49 - The Good
10:09 - The Bad
13:17 - Synergies
15:43 - Closing Thoughts
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A quick tip while using the phlog, you can detonator jump from a high surface and cancel the taunt on opponent's heads, giving you around two extra seconds of crits while being completely invulnerable. It doesn't always work, but when it does its a clean sweep.
I have never had the best luck with animation cancelling the Phlogistinator but I will definitely have to give this variation a go
Ayyyy Weezy it's the TF2 mvm mann
You stand on a friendly engies tele, press right click/g and then immediately have him demolish it, that works too afaik
Oh...god no.....nooooo
it also gives immunity to knockback and displacement
Everyone knows pyro’s most underrated weapon is the Sharpened Volcano Fragment. I mean, it lets you get up close to enemies and light them in fire!!! No other weapon in pyro’s kit does that!!!
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The backscratcher is another good melee that synergies well with the detonator. If you're without a medic, the extra health from health packs helps make up for the health you lose when jumping.
Plus its actually a pretty lethal melee weapon
@@CAMSLAYER13 yeah, if you go up against a vaxx medic or a demoknight, a well deserved random crit with the rack will definetely save you from a tough spot
It also makes pyro 1v1's less of a pain without a shotgun
@@DaisiesTC "Yeah, W-M1 into the rake, just like a cartoon!" *random crit*
I swear the random crit rate on this thing is insane
Great weapon it would be used a lot more if the scorch shot wasn't so abysmally powerful
Richter you are just spitting straight fax
richter facts as usual
And that's a fact
It's still rather good because of the mobility it provides.
I'm being perfectly honest when I say I find more use out of the utility of the detonator than the damage potential of the scorch shot.
I use the detonator purely because the scorch shot is too op, it's just not fun.
Detonator jumping is unmatched in fun.
And that's a fact.
Thermal Thruster: 😐
Except trimping or actual rocket jumping. But sure.
YES
@@Small_child_punteryep
The Detonator has one of my favorite firing sounds of any TF2 weapon, love how unique it sounds compared to the other flare guns.
PFTCHEEEoooooooo
so byootifool
Huh... So you're a masochist with tinnitus then... Good to know.
literally the only reason i use it
@@ziqrsx bruh same
2:37 If you say "Scorch Shot is balanced" thrice FSoaS will burn down your house
This made me laugh more than I would like to admit
New tf2 creepypasta
"SUMMONING FSOAS AT 3AM CHALLENGE *GONE WRONG* *GONE SEXUAL"*
Soldier mains be like: "how dare there be a class that can counter soldier?! Pyro sucks and I hate him!!!"
A dude was being toxic cuz i was destroying his team with stock and family bisuness, he was pissed and said how "pyro is brain dead" and i used wm1
Man is dumber than a 5yo
Soldier mains feel entitled to winning
Yeah it gets annoying hearing about how much more skill that their class takes and you ruin the game by playing pyro.
soldier mains in general are fun to piss off. Same with demo mains.
@@Turbo.RF4 facts. less so with demos though. demo mains can be pretty chill.
Was the detonator ever underrated? It’s been my fav sidearm for a while now. I feel like people only started using the scorch shot after everyone started complaining about it and discussing nerfing it.
Nope, it's actually comp meta...
Indeed it is. Not many casual pyros use the detonator, let alone well. It’s very underused.
Nah, the Degreaser is very very good with the Detonator. You can switch to and from the Detonator about 100% faster combined. It allows for even more time actually killing your enemies rather than dealing with the switch speed.
edit: Use the Backscratcher with the Deto. The extra healing negates the self-damage over time.
Also, using degreaser, detonator, axtinguisher still allows for burst damage up close
@@joaopedrosambatti2474 Doesn't axtinguisher do extra damage based on remaining afterburn damage? And since degreaser does less afterburn, doesn't that make the axtinguisher do even less damage?
@@mr.pickle6487 Nope, it's based exclusively on time and not damage.
Also, something that people seem to forget is that the reduced after burn is on the degreaser, not on wearer. The priority is whichever hit last, so tagging a retreating enemy ups your afterburn to 4 damage per tick, making it pretty useful.
Degreaser is just a Better Stock Flamethrower and that is why i hate it. It just dosent have anything special about it, with the Other Flamethrowers they got smth Special about it
@@wasdkug_tr True. I mean degreaser does have less damage but its kinda negligable. The only thing that actually harms it is the increased airblast cost. I think they could encourage the combo-ing by making it do less afterburn damage on wearer, and that it does less damage overall. I heard it had a 10% damage penalty in the past.
Another reason I like the Detonator: The design.
Given the barrel and the sound it makes (best sound of all 4 flare guns imo), it's basically some kind of firework launcher, which is dope.
That’s a really cool idea but since it already has this mobility thing, that should go to a new weapon.
Flare Gun:That one kid who did really well in his childhood and then overtaken by others when got into high school
Detonator:That one kid who always worked harder than anyone but still got no.2
Scorch Shot:The bully kid who somehow managed to get no.1 always
Manmelter:The highschool dropout who did really well in physics
Gas Passer:No
Gas Passerin Mvm:Played Metal Gear Rising and used nanomachines to destroy cyborgs harder faster stronger
Shotgun:The kid who grew up and starts and maintains a normal life
Reserve Shooter:A real [[BIG SHOT]] in the sports field but suffered a career ending injury
Panic Attack:the guy who has a small friendly rivalry with the Shotgun at school and work,but no hard feelings between them
Jetpack:Studied and became a pilot
I miss playing MvM but I’m happy without it
Mfs really do be doxxing ppl over it is kinda sad
Standard flare gun is still really good.
@@ZyrusEclipse
Wait, I knew the MvM community could get toxic, but are they really doxxing people?
I don't think there was a single clip in this video that didn't show him with a pocket medic.
There were a few.
probably because unlike the scorch shot short hop, you eat a lot of self-damage with det jumping
good if you’re chasing a weak/unaware target, but if you hop into the enemy team accidentally, you probably just die. you can’t hop away easily either, especially if you swapped to a non-degreaser flamethrower so they will already hit you a few times before you swap back
really hope scorch shot turns into an incendiary grenade with a cooldown that actually scorches the ground, instead of being similar to the detonator
@@TheOneWhoHasABadName I play jetpack pyro a lot, and it's viable against "skilled" players (on casual/comm servers). Due to the way I play, I can see how Detonator pyro can also work.
That’s hilarious and probably true. But I’d say as long as the phlog isn’t involved let it be.
Yes, that is my main gripe about the video as well. In reality, jumping into the enemy team with no more than 135 health as pyro is more often than not a suicide play. If you're playing flank pyro, the jetpack is quite better for the fall damage negate and the longer jump, and it's not like you're gonna be using the deto for its long ranged damage anyway.
The back scratcher would be good as a melee since you’ll be a flanker and health packs are valuable giving more health, plus if you want you can do a discount axetinguisher hit if you need.
it's not really the increased self damage that makes the detonator more mobile, it's the fact that the scorch shot has a self knockback penalty. the increased self damage might have some effect, but in general the detonator isn't stronger, it's just that the scorch shot is weaker.
The self-damage actually doesn't impact your blast jump distance at all. It is purely there to limit the number of jumps you can do before healing.
@@ShakerSilver yeah, it's weird how everyone misinterprets that.
Agreed Elma, the potential this weapon has is insane. Thanks for recognising that!
1:05 the fact this man supports his monitors with random books shows he is a true gamer
As a former pyro main, I wholeheartedly agree. Detonator is my absolute fave secondary for the movement potential and fun factor, and nothing else comes close.
been loving this thing ever since I started playing last year and didn’t even know about the improved flarejump tech, cant wait to give that some practice!
I was hooked on the detonator for a year straight, I love it's movement. As far as loadouts go, I actually don't think the powerjack is the best pair for the detonator. Due to the quick and fluid movement you can get from the detonator, the axtinguisher is an amazing pick, and it's not too difficult to quickly get axtinguisher crits and remove the opponent from this plane of existence. The only comparable secondary in terms of the dopamine rush you can get is the flare gun for its insane crit damage and combo potential.
I prefer using the regular flare gun, It's just the most satisfying thing to aim it and get a nice 90 damage
I prefer to use your mother, she doesn't do any damage, but it's way more satisfying then any flare gun.
@@coppercoper9486 I LIKE THE SCORCH SHOT ITS REALLY FUN TO USE AND IM REALLY GOOD AT USING IT I BEAT ALL MY FRIENDS WHEN WE PLAY TOGETHER
@@fugglepik9763 please tell me your joking, and that you unironically think using the scorch shot is skilled
@@joeyjonquantaviusjr9927 WHAT DOES UNIRONCALLIE MEAN
@@joeyjonquantaviusjr9927 guys typing in all caps and you're stuck
its worth mentioning that this is also IMO the most useful Pybro, as often need to leave the engineer's side to chase spies, airblast uber pushes back, etc. and need to get back to engie's nest quickly to reflect rockets or deal with spies. Its also really good for temporarily dealing with snipers, as detonator can be used to light snipers on fire from long ranges, making it really annoying for snipers to aim with aimpunch from afterburn.
Good Video! I started using the detonator little while ago and I started loving it
I always use the Mann Melter with Dragon's Fury. The near hitscan flares give you an easy and generous afterburn window for Dragon's "crits", the mass extinguish is great to cover your slow air blast, the crits help against pyros who can airblast your primary's projectile, you don't feel like a menace to society for using the Scorch Shot, and the infinite ammo paired with Dragon's Fury's rather generous ammo count allows a more versatile play style, where you can be more aggressive or hold positions better, and it helps with being a pybro so you don't accidentally yoink the Engie's ammo after shooting one flare.
I love using this on snipers and blind dettiing. After playing with it for so long it still feels awesome to get of blind dets.
Damn right. Nothing more dopamine inducing than shooting off the flare, turning away and then bursting it to hear the sweet damage sound.
This fella just keeps pumping out top notch, high quality TF2 content.
Thank you for keeping this game relevant, elmaxo. ❤️
thank you
Just found this video and absolutely amazing mate! Never have I subscribed more faster in my life
Just found your channel, cannot stop watching your videos, takes me back to when I played TF2 religiously 5 or so years ago. Used to play pyro toooo much and I almost always ran backburner and detonator, so fkn fun
One other melee I recommend for if you don't have a medic and want to do a lot of the funny jumping is the Back Scratcher. More HP from health kits means you can jump more often, and you actually have the mobility to get into range of your more powerful melee hit, and of course random crits are a thing
I love the detonator, it's a good combo between the flare gun and jetpack in my opinion as it increases your mobility but still gives great offense
Can I just say Elmaxo I love your longer vids
They’re a joy to watch yk
Amazing video, keep the good work ❤️
Honestly, I'm curious how viable a pyro equivalent to the demo or soldier's jumper weapons would be.
Like "The Jump Shot", or "The Fire Jumper".
It'd be interesting to see and be very entertaining I imagine, a high risk, high skill playstyle which increases pyro's ability to flank, at the expense of their secondary, range options, and combos.
Funny to think of a flying pyro shark, and make people feel like dragons.
Honestly food for thoughts, we do have two secondaries that lets you jump or "fly" a bit, but a full blown projection like the soldier and demo can have would be a treat I'm sure
Thermal thruster
Another great melee choice is the backscratcher. Since pub-medics are on the endangered species list together with the fact that even if you had a med you will probably be on the flanks you will get a lot from that extra healing from health packs to cover all that self damage.
I really love the backscratcher but it’s unfortunately quite underrated.
Really happy to see a video on the detonator, one of my favourite weapons in the game!
I usually consider the detonator pyro's 'best' secondary, simply because when you use flares or a shotgun it's generally used AS your primary weapon when paired with the degreaser. The detonator absolutely rocks.
Excellent presentation, I love it!
Yeah, I only started playing Pyro because of the detonator and thermal thruster, but I actually found it fun!
I used to use the scorch shot because of the little jump boost, then one day I was like "Hey why don't I just use the detonator?" and I never switched off of it ever since
Also the funny airblast det jump combos and market gardens. Gud video
I remember one game I had where the detonator won us a game on overtime in Breadspace. That long corridor is painful but detonator came in clutch with those fat jumps
The virgin "I hate pyro because everyone else does." VS The Chad "I don't like pyro because it counters my main."
The virgin bandwagoneer vs the chad honesty
vs The Absolute Chad "i don't like pyro because i don't stand competition.."
The detonator is _probably_ replacing the shotgun in my default loadout now.
Anything boosting mobility _and_ damaging is A tier or higher.
bro iv been useing the detonater to self propel myself for a while now . i had some good fun so its real good to see someone show it and how to rack some kills wit it
hell yeah! i've been playing more pyro lately solely because of this weapon. it just makes pyro so much more fun and engaging! great vid :)
Honestly when it comes to the jetpack it really really depends on the map, in some maps (most of them koth) the jetpack is really really good, but in other maps there's really no reason to use it
1:51
"You have to sit this one out because the enemy team has a pyro"
Incorrect! As a pyro main, I know that good pyros are not invincible! Airblasts do not always save their users, and you can absolutely splash damage a pyro down and switch to shotgun. Not saying I'm a good pyro, but I've seen good pyros and I've pulled off a few of their stunts, so I do at least have practice.
Still so fun not being able to shoot at the pyro if you have any projectiles
@@lisathefoolish
I shoot rockets at Pyros all the time. If they reflect one, I know to be more careful around them.
It's like fighting Heavy as Spy, or like fighting Medic while playing Demoknight, or like fighting Sniper as literally any class. And then if i die to them, it's time to switch to, but not limited to
Scout
heavy
engineer
sniper
soldier with shotgun
demo with Loose Cannon and stickies
pyro with shotgun
Medic to help my team against the enemy team and enemy pyro
The amount of mental gymnastics to justify an obvious joke statement is unholy
@@Pyrax99
*3 months ago*
@@kirbyfreakyt4695 im bored off my mind at work, i needed a 3 minutes worth of distraction, my b
Finally, a fellow Detonator enjoyer. :)
I'm no Pyro main & only have 500 hours on the game, but I think the Detonator is really fun to use with the Axtinguisher/Postal Pummeler. I love moments when I detonate-jump at the enemy, light 'em on fire with my flamethrower, do another d-jump at them to prevent their escape & then finish 'em off with my mailbox. :)
I love the Detonator, it's been my favorite secondary since the jump buff shortly after it's addition
i disagree on the degreaser being the worst flamethrower to use with the detonator. if you use the axetinguisher, you can become a beast on the combo. i mean, what can you even do? as soon as you look up you just see a pyro with a flamethrower, about to switch to his axe that can just take away a giant chunk of your health and maybe even kill you
Would like if the Degreaser wasn't mostly a ripoff of stock nowadays, TBH. I really want it to have its all-round switch speed bonus back (compensated for post-Tough Break stock switch speed too OFC).
I would say the Dragon's Fury is the real most underrated Pyro weapon.
im glad you made this video since before seeing it i used the flaregun but now i use the detonator alot more and enjoy it and i didn't know bout the alt fire for it
I'm absolutely laughing at the slow reaction time of the demo at 13:18. you could see the wheels in his brain spinning, trying to figure out if he should perhaps move out of your flamethrower flame lol. unfortunately, he died before he could finish thinking
JOE haWley TALLY HALL SPOTTED REAL
Idk if it’s underrated. I mean I love the weapon and like to see it getting attention but honestly I think the plain flare gun is becoming the least common choice I run into
Wait not even the Manmelter?
@@matthewsusilo8698 lol I forget about that thing ngl
I forgot that you can use the M2 detonation without needing a wall. Thank you for opening this up to me
You can also use the self-damage to speed up medic's uber build while moving from spawn to the front. Two extra uber pushes in Payload is often a game changer.
jumping tip: if you want forward momentum and want to jump high at the same time, then try to walk to your right (or left, if you have flipped viewmodels) and shoot directly downwards. This will make you get slightly more momentum than standing still and make you go a little bit higher than usual
"Underrated?" Says who?
Oh I get it, you don't play Pyro.
maybe we could use the degreaser, the detonator and the axtinguisher since combo pyro would be pretty good with flank pyro
Since this is a video about the detonator, I wanted to mention that I've noticed that the flare doesn't detonate like a stickybomb would, detonating as soon as the button is pressed. From what I've noticed, there are these sweet spots where the flare will actually detonate, but otherwise it will keep on flying until it reaches one of these detonation spots. Idk if this is lag on my part, if I just suck that bad, or if there's some source spaghetti with the detonation, like an invisible projectile sent out that takes time to reach the flare. Would love to hear the thoughts of others that have used this weapon
I have been playing this game since the tough break update with almost 3000 hours and i just now figured out you can detonate the detonator flares…
Holy shit elmaxo, you have shown me the light
I have always known you can do crazy diet jumps but I couldn’t figure out the timing on the detonation
BUT I NEVER KNEW YOU COULD HOLD IT! So now the detonator is my favorite pyro secondary
I’m about to get the Dragon’s Fury and can utilise the crits fairly well. Looking forward to pairing these two.
darn the effort you put on these videos, you really are underrated
Love the Metroid Prime music at the beginning!
I love your book-monitor setup
Thanks for this video, I tried it and it is just great
love the set up man, moniter on two books nice.
I never actually knew about the hold m2 type thing I always wrote it off as being complicated thanks bro
The Demtomators firing sound is burned into my brain thanks to you.
I played a Thundermountain match on Uncletopia just now and i happened to have the detonator equipped, i can guarantee, it's a great weapon for mobility, and a few other things.
Off to watch the video, to see what else we have in store...
the detonator is also almost mandatory for highlander pyro, mostly since it's the most consistent option for a secondary that shuts down snipers (since both the scorch shot and the darwin's danger shield are banned in every league). i have no idea how often det jumps are used in highlander, since my only real experience with it is in lobbies.
i didnt know about detonating the flare immediately i needed that knowledge
Detonator works surprisingly well with the phlog, easier hitting some enemies and jumping with a crit phlog is deadly.
holy shit, you mentioned muselk and a wave of nostalgia damn near knocked me out.
had completely forgot he existed by now :/
degreaser for me works really well since you can pair it with the axetinguisher to jump from place to place to do a lot of damage
One more simple tip to increase the jump force of your detonator jumps is to simply walk toward the direction of your viewmodel. I word it that way because I am left handed and use left handed viewmodels, so I walk left, while the majority of players would need to walk right. Doing this allows you to walk toward the projectile you are firing since it fires slightly off center.
i think the best thing about the detonator is that you can detonate it instantly to the side so its just such a horizontal and effiecent movement tool even if it doesnt have the raw knockback of the rocket/stickybomb launchers
I new dragon detonator powerjack was a good combination, thanks for confirming it (sadly I don’t have powerjack and detonator).
The detonator is such a great alternate flare gun, your enemies will never know more fear than a pyro flying through the air at 246km/h and burning their asses to a crisp.
Special mention for the Back Scratcher.
The downside is pretty negligible since Medic’s will stay on the front line with the Heavies and Soldiers, instead of flanking with you.
So getting both extra damage, and extra health from Med-Kits from the Back Scratcher is a contender, maybe even better than the Powerjacks extra speed.
Im a sadist that uses phlog with scorch shot.
Great video! I shall sub for more great content!!
i had no idea about the right click thing, I thought everyone was just c-tapping when detonator jumping
i love the use of Sonic Colours' soundtrack in this video
After 2k hours of tf2, i didnt know you could hold M2 to get a father jump with the detonator, makes me excited to try the item again!
I always love using the Detonator or the Panic Attack on Pyro, it's just satisfying and fun to use.
Backburner, Detonator, and Backscratcher create an amazing flank monster style it's so fun you should play with it.
Elmaxo should do a air-blast jumping video its like detonator jumping but you go further
at first i thought this was going to be a dragon's fury video when i saw the title
Still, great vid!
You have the cleanest damn desk I've ever seen
I remember seeing one pyro with a detonator and immediately being in love with the thought of rocket jumping as a shitty wm1 phlogger. Haven't gotten the chance to yet as I've been taken up by the beautiful shitshow that is beggar's bazooka, but I'm 100% using it the next time I play pyro
One thing you missed is the sketechsk loadpit of degreasser-detonator-axtinguisher. It takes maximum advantige from the distance-closing of the detonator.
You basicaly invert the roles of the standard degreasser loadout of degreasser, an offencive weapon and the powerjack. Now the movement option is your secondary and the burst damage comes from the melee.
I like the detonator because it's a good scorch shot alternative on the off chance that you happen to play pyro AND have empathy. It's a rare niche, but I like it.
I like using stock flamethrower and panic attack because you become a strange hybrid between pyro and scout, and panic attack can very quickly shoot things
you mentioned muselk and my brain just unboxed a barrage of memories
To be fair, big props to anybody that can time a reflect against a huntsman arrow.
god I miss this muselk build, I gotta go back and watching him again
i am going to call the powerjack + detonator combo the "roamer pyro" as a small hint towards the roamer playstyle for the soldier
its also great to see the absolute terror on the enemy team's faces when an ubered pyro det jumps right into their mugs with the dragon's fire
I have a strange pro killstreak detonator, I love this weapon so much