People are forgetting gojo also had a month of training before fighting sukuna. Sukuna used that month to regain his strength while gojo used that time to train himself, plan, and train his students
i like to think that shibuya sukuna and gojo is so tricky because they both have no win cons over the other so it’s mainly down to either who pops the domain first or who can physically overpower the other
@@THED3ADLY7 exactly it’s also interesting to think how different sukuna might engage with gojo since he’s in yuji’s body i imagine he’d be more aggressive due to yuji’s sheer strength on top of CE reinforcement but i don’t see gojo getting stomped or killed
@@doodoohead5631it's not even a debate tho. It's simply not tricky. Gojo always had the guaranteed win-con against sukuna via teleportation and landing domain afterwards instead of clashing head on. Also gojo will simply outclass sukuna is h2h, sukuna with a DE buff was still getting overwhelmed in h2h. A nerfed gojo was matching or even surpassing sukuna in h2h I don't see any wincons for sukuna besides if gojo stands there and just decides to get obliterated
On your 15 finger domain expansion point, saying sukuna loses to gojo in a clash at 15 fingers is false, gojo should not be able to beat the open domain, it was directly said he only had a counter because he experienced the prison realm (He'd still beat 15 finger)
@kvng7723 except it wouldn't, there's no reason to think sukuna has better refinement the more fingers he has, it has nothing to do with ce itself, it deals with experience and skill with the barrier, sukuna's 15 finger barrier would be just as refined as 20 finger (again gojo would still win, he has enough answers to clear 15f)
@@TheFSasquatch2426 Sukuna's Finger carry his soul it's not just about CE. Sukuna grows stronger as as Sorcerer with more finger that's why he said he would loose to Mahoraga with 3F because he can't put same Output back then as he can now.
To add to your point the only reason why Gojo’s Unlimited Void can even be broken by Malevolent Shrine is because their equal where Malevolent Shrine and Unlimited Void overlap but Unlimited Void barrier can be broken from the outside. I think for this reason despite Kenjaku’s Domain Expansion being a barrierless/open Domain Expansion it wouldn’t be able to land its sure-hit on Gojo because Unlimited Void is on par with Malevolent Shrine. You can overcome the fact a Domain Expansion is barrierless if you have a greater refinement. To recap Unlimited Void and Malevolent Shrine cancel each other out but due to Malevolent Shrine’s properties being able to break the weak outside barrier of Unlimited Void it will be the winner of a Domain Clash.
I think people misinterpret meguna, he has megumi's broken ability but his physicals are not as good as yuji as a vessel or his original body, its shown they were equal in hand to hand most the time until gojo started gaining momentum. Yall forget this is jujutsu kaisen, and sukuna beat him in what matters yall claim gojo could win but he died to a physically weaker sukuna. Yes gojo was landing hits but everything he threw at him wasnt enough to kill him even the 200% hollow purple only took a arm from meguna
@@pally3370 it was still 15f meguna at the end of the day and HEIAN era literally out ran and overpowered time skip yuji after a fresh heal with low output and it's stated his original body was Peak jujutsu. His movement is also crazy as well considering how big he is
Sukuna wasn't matching gojo. He was getting overwhelmed with domain buff and while gojo was nerfed. Plus gojo always had the guaranteed wincon of simply not clashing head on and winning via teleportation. He simply has no answer to gojo's AP How's he gonna win without insane prep and the most busted technique. Let's consider the downside of megumi's vessel which is physically weaker, and considering all the other advantages of megumi's vessel, plus considering so much more control; remember more control=more output as we saw with Hana and angel, There's simply no way the insane advantage was balanced with the minor disadvantage
@@cmon9505 1. actually go back Everytime sukuna stopped DA gojo had the upper hand and it was stated he has to drop DA to adapt to gojo's abilities. Meaning purposely taking minimum damage while defending. The wheel was just a count down from gojo's death. 2. Gojo wincon was to damage him the best he can going all out or win/ sukuna is playing the long game while taking damage to get a move that can be used as a extension of dismantle THEN kill him 3. Sukuna force gojo to use moves that no one has ever lived long enough force outta gojo pre-prison gojo ( this peak gojo btw) and got a buff that he would of immediately lost domain 3 as well if he didn't have. (Basketball domain) 4. Gojo fell from exhaustion before sukuna did in the first half after the backlash of the domain clashes & also overusing his abilities on burnout which is attached to the brain 5. why would he teleport? He's got just as much pride as sukuna he's not running/ also if he did teleport the rest of them would get cooked by MS remember they were above the battle inside of rika
@@cmon9505sukuna was literally trying to adapt to infinity for the fun of it lmao if he REALLY wanted to he could have popped his heian era form after winning TWO domain clashes in a row and just violated gojo
On god Gojo vs megkuna wasn't even close sukuna was holding back because he wanted mahoraga to upgrade his technic And it's debatable if gojo would have beat 15f sukuna cuz gojo also train before the fight and didn't know anything about sukunas domain
YESSSS LITERALLY ALL OF JJK FANDOM KEEPS DEBATING HEIAN SUKUNA VS GOJO SO PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON IT. (also add 20 finger Sukuma with full control over yuji vs gojo because that would be interesting
In conclusion: gojo obliterates all version of sukuna besides one where sukuna had unlimited prep on gojo and had the most busted technique on par with infinity.
@@lurisy9045considering 4 arm Sukuna loses h2h against fodders like Yujo (who didn't even have complete control over Gojo's body) and Yuji, regardless of physical strength, Gojo's amped strength still outscalss
weirdest thing about this fight is that gojo's students had at least *some* level of intel on sukuna's domain and it feels like gojo was never informed. That first domain clash would've gone far different if gojo had his conditions in the 2nd domain clash... We could say gojo is just testing the waters but it doesn't make sense from an in-universe standpoint. Satoru Gojo, a genius prodigy sorcerer, somehow didn't realize that a domain's exterior barriers are weaker than it's interior? If we use the argument that gojo wasn't informed of Sukuna's Open Barrier Domain, it makes even less sense in-universe. Could it have been a spur of the moment decision and Gojo didn't really have time to think about adjusting his domain's conditions? If it were any other sorcerer, it'd make sense, but Gojo has the six-eyes... he literally perceives time differently, allowing him to process a year's worth of information in what a minute worth of thinking would effectively be for him.
Idky gojo just didnt spam infinite hollow purple. Just fire a blue & red & boom. Enough of those would of decimated sukuna. With the 6 eyes & limitless he has damn near infinite CE. He should of been able to pull it off. I feel like gojo lost to plot.
5:57 The thing about this is that gojo has openly stated that he was the strongest limitless six eyes user ever(with the exception of that one guy from the heian era in the light novel).
I think 15F Yujikuna would be even in hand to hand as long as he uses domain amp. But, if you think CE output scales to the finger amount, then Gojos domain wins. But, if you think his output doesn’t scale then he would be even with Gojo.
3:46 so in terms of 16 fingers Sakuna has da , domain to bypass limitless just cause it wasn’t shown doesn’t mean he doesn’t have it , especially factoring he’s the king of curses and he had the da in the gojo fight it either means he trained to learn it or he already had it and I think given he’s the king of curses and ect I think it’s a fair assumption he already knew it For people who think Sakuna just wins domain expansions , domain expansions has 3 factors , compatibility, refinement and curse energy . 20 finger Sakuna tied with gojo even though Sakuna had 4 times the amount of ce then gojo , this means gojo has better refinement Less fingers less ce so more then likely in a domain battle Sakuna would just loose because gojo would have better refinement So it doesn’t favor 16 finger Sakuna at all , although we can’t prove where his ce is at we can come to a agreement that more then likely the fingers gave him a star buff such as speed ce and ect ect . This sakuan would preform worse then 20 fingers in h2h combat who was getting beat by gojo and shown to be inferior to gojo , everytime 20 finger tried to attack gojo he was getting countered so 16 fingers can literally do nothing to gojo
Guys,I understood something important recently. When Gojo's ct burn out after loses in de clash Gojo have a big trouble. And then I just understand.Even if ct burn out Gojo still can use barrier technique.He can just expend barrier like the one that he expending for his de.Just don't imbued ct in him. If Gojo will create a barrier like in second or third de battle then he can don't worry about Sukuna's attack because Sukuna would be separated from Gojo by barrier.It's mean that Sukuna must destroy barrier before he can attack Gojo and even second de barrier (don't reminding about 3 de barrier) can tank Sukuna's+MS attack long enough for Gojo easily recovere his ct. So Gojo just create a barrier,use simple domain to neutralise sure-hit and easily heal his ct,so by using this tactic Gojo can survive even if Sukuna will try to use furnace.
5:50 The thing about this is the sheer amount of unknowns,sukuna should have mahoraga but he might not fully grasp how exactly to use him(I mean he may not have come up with the strat of hiding him and tanking attacks to speed up the adaptation) Since this is gojo DIRECTLY after being unsealed him being able to reliably use his basketball domain strat but due to his massive physical lead he would win in a 1v1 The thing is that in this situation it wasn’t just 16f sukuna,Kenny and urame were also there,gojo didn’t know almost anything about either(eg Kenny’s gravity ct and open domain)and didn’t know if sukuna already had mahoraga tamed,it was perfectly logical for gojo to just leave… IS WHAT I WOULD SAY IF A 0.2 DOMAIN COULDNT PUT ALL THREE OF THEM 6 FEET UNDER
Gojo's training was sitting in the prison realm n experiencing space Time while there n how it works n applying it to his domain. Not actually training but learning
The reason Jogo stated Sukuna’s presence was evil relative to Gojos is because of the similarity in power but difference in their nature. The statement implies relativity. Also Jogo repeated another statement about 15f Yukuna that he made while fighting Gojo That he knew their would be a difference in strength but he didn’t expect it to be that big of a gap.
Funny how people point out it was a 3v1 but can't call out gojo for his 3v1 when he used uthahime and the principal for a SNEAK ATTACK! Gege himself pointed it out fortunately but everybody gonna act like they didn't hear that at least Sukuna was using a 3v1 from HIS power stolen from megumi using HIS stealing technique
I definitely think that sukuna was nerfed during his fight with gojo , gojo is constantly fighting wid a shield up an sukuna couldn’t really jus kill him an it’s a certain way sukuna has to fight him the whole fight , it was certain conditions on why sukuna didn’t just kill him off back and he had opportunities , gojo was cooked from the get go 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Even if Gojo loses the Domain Clash with 15F Shibuya Sukuna he’d still be able to overpower Sukuna in H2H combat inside the Domain. I mean if Gojo was able to do it with a 20F Meguna in Shinjuku I’m pretty sure 15F Sukuna in Shibuya wouldn’t fair much better. I think Shibuya Sukuna’s win con is staying alive in H2H combat with Satoru Gojo then spamming Domain Expansions until Gojo can’t keep up. At best Gojo is only surviving 2 Malevolent Shrine because he can counter the first one with his own Domain Expansion until he loses the clash then for the 2nd one that’s going to be a gamble on whether or not he can endure it. The 3rd Malevolent Shrine should end him. Gojo’s only hope is overpowering Sukuna enough where he can hit Hollow Purple on Sukuna point blank or hit 2 Hollow Purples on Sukuna. This is a battle of attrition and I can honestly see Sukuna winning with Domain Expansion but can also see just as likely Gojo getting the better of a lesser version of Sukuna that he fought in Shinjuku. I’m rooting for Gojo all the way though.
i see your point but the gojo in shibuya is physically weaker than shinjuku gojo and at the same time would be facing a stronger sukuna in hand to hand due to having yuji as a vessel. not saying shibuya sukuna wins but just giving an argument as to how he has a higher chance than you may think.
@@THED3ADLY7nobody has survived the fire arrow, guess how many times hollow purple didn’t kill its target? 😂😂😂 I think it’s very obvious which is better
@@CertainlyCynicalthe sukunna who fought gojo at 20 fingers was pushed to the absolute limit in battle like he never had before. he had to put everything on the line to win. He had to improvise to Gojos on the fly improvisation in battle adapt to his new body's abilities new techniques planning to kill ect. And he still barely won against Gojo. 15 fingers sukunna will not hold a Candle to 20 fingers or Gojo at that time. Gojo wins with a strong performance.
I really don't understand how people don't acknowledge that Gojo had prison realm training to make the small domain and he would've died without that plus he had a full month of training a long with the students as well as him knowing everything about the ten shadows yet Sukuna still out smarted him and was overall just stronger, Gojo himself said Sukuna was fighting risky and he couldn't go all out, if Gojo himself is saying Sukuna is just above him why tf are people still talking
Gojo vs Sukuna (no ten shadows) remains a debate even after an year and after the manga ended. And that's how its gonna remain, an open debate forever. It's fine to think either one will win, you can make arguments for both of them. But i just find funny what's happening. Gojo fans vs Sukuna fans needs to be locked in the same room at this point. (I bet Gojo fans are the ones to walk out of room alive)
Not at all the battle itself provides a very conclusive answer.A 19.5 finger sukuna is just going to kill gojo if he didnt rely on adaptation.the entire 2nd half of the fight happened due to 0.01 second delay from sukuna due to him holding back.if that didnt happen sukuna handily wins against gojo.
@@abrahamgeorge2043That quite literally happened because of how skillful gojo is and was adapting during the domain clash eveytime, by the 4th domain gojo was able to damage sukuna more than the 3rd domain so much more that sukuna was late in restoring his CT
I'm just gonna put this here. Gojo never stood a chance against Sukuna. It would have been an easier fight if Sukuna only needed to kill Gojo and was not trying to tear through infinity. I'll explain: If Sukuna was to fight Gojo without any information about unlimited void and without 10 shadows, it would have obviously started out with testing each other out. Sukuna will quickly notice the barrier and understand that there is a wall between them formed by a technique and then he would attempt domain amplification to get past it. Then comes the domain expansion battle. They would both expand their domain and Gojo's domain will break in the first instance. On the second try, Gojo will swap the conditions of his barrier to make it last longer but it would still break. On the third try, Gojo uses the small domain. This is where the difference starts showing. 10 shadows Sukuna was unable to fight optimally because using domain implication to fight Gojo would have been pausing/disrupting the 10 shadows technique. So Sukuna was essentially fighting Gojo with just cursed energy reinforcement, no barrier techniques or cursed technique, while Gojo was using everything except purple. Even then, he was able to stalemate with Gojo at 3 minutes, twice. If Sukuna is allowed to freely use domain amplification, he would be able to break Gojo's domain faster because, as we saw, being even 1 second faster or slower would determine the battle at that stage. Keep in mind that domain amplification cancels or dulls most techniques making Gojo's attacks less potent. If we go further to assume that Sukuna starts this fight with 4 arms and two mouths, then you can imagine that he would have even more advantage in hand to hand against Gojo in the domain clashes. For those arguing that 4 arms will not give Sukuna an advantage, use logic for a second. Sukuna was born with 4 arms and has always fought with that configuration. In Megumi's body, he has access to only 2 arms. This is a nerf. Saying it is not a nerf is equivalent to saying that Gojo would still be at the same proficiency level in hand to hand even if he lost one of his arms. When you then consider that Sukuna has an extra mouth with which he can continuously chant to enhance his output, like the output of his domain amplification, then you can start to imagine whether Sukuna with 4 arms and 2 mouths can also break Gojo's domain by damaging Gojo directly. That said, fast forward to when Gojo eventually gets brain damage from repeatedly refreshing his burnout cursed technique. We will be left with a situation where Gojo has to fight Sukuna inside Malevolent Shrine. I used to assume Gojo's infinity would be able to prevent Malevolent shrine's surehit from landing but in chapter 15, Gojo confirms that the surehit of a domain will eventually bypass infinity naturally. Well, once Sukuna closes his domain and the surehit is able to land, you can just imagine what would happen next....Fuga? RIP
Gojo simply teleports out of the effective range of the domain instead of tanking it and overloading his rct (this is a major plot hole). The author himself admitted in an exhibition his only way of countering gojo was to have sukuna use mahoraga. With heain sukuna, open domain is his only option. His plans were.... A. Kill gojo with open domain (malevolent shrine) B. Force gojo to spam his domain until he fries his brain. C. Gang up on gojo with mahoraga and agito. D. Learn the world slash (if failed, use binding vow to make it instantaneous and to be able to cast out without handsignal requirements) E. If D also failed, reincarnate into his original form where he heals completely and also has infinity counter where he kills gojo since he's weakened. Sukuna was indeed going for the kill, he never "held back", he started adapting and limiting his arsenal to just mahoraga to learn from since his previous plans FAILED. There's nothing he could do in his favor if he went "all out". Him having extra arms wouldn't add much value but destroy all this other options with mahoraga.
@zeeshanmalik2184 Your comment is so funny because of how wrong it is. You say Gojo would teleport. Do you think you are the only one who thought about that? Before Sukuna gets brain damage he specifically mentioned that he was going to close his domain so Gojo would have nowhere to run. On that single basis, your whole comment falls apart.
@@Purifi3r Even then, you can't counterpoint anything else. Just because one of my statement is wrong doesn't mean everything is incorrect. You only "won" the Battle
@@zeeshanmalik2184 Ofcourse I can counterpoint everything else. I already did in my original post but I will indulge you. You have to be clear when you say "the only way Sukuna has of countering Gojo is through Mahoraga". This is correct on a cursed technique level but is not true when you consider cursed jujutsu as a whole. First of, Sukuna never planned to gang up on Gojo with Mahoraga and Agito. You are not reading the story properly. Sukuna thought he already had victory in his hands when Gojo gained brain damage. Mahoraga was a card he only really wanted to remove unlimited void. Sukuna thought that once Gojo could not expand his domain anymore, Sukuna would close his own domain and fight Gojo inside it. Sukuna would use domain amplification and Shrine's surehit would penetrate Gojo''s infinity naturally (even without domain amplification). Sukuna then said he would even adapt to infinity while carving Gojo up. All that other stuff you are talking about were plans Sukuna made on the fly after he realised he could not use his domain as well. Reincarnation and binding vows were options available to him, but not really part of the "plan" to defeat Gojo. Sukuna was going for the kill but not efficiently because he had something he wanted to gain while going for the kill so he took a very specific route that carried a lot of risk but also a lot of gain (adapting to infinity - world cutting slash). Yes, he started making Mahoraga adapt since his previous plan failed. But why did his previous plan fail? it was because he took the Mahoraga route. You are not accounting for the fact that Gojo was only able to hit Sukuna with unlimited void because of a 1 second lapse. This means that if Sukuna had just been 1 second faster at healing himself, Gojo would have been the only one with brain damage. 4 arms and 2 mouths matter because his original body is much stronger and better at close range fighting than Megumi's body. If you are trying to argue that Gojo would have still been able to beat 4 arms and 2 mouths Sukuna in hand to hand, then you are just being disingenuous. If Sukuna was also not trying to let Mahoraga adapt, he would have been able to use domain amplification on full blast throughout his fight with Gojo inside the domain making it less likely for Gojo to win the domain fights. To sum up: Better body = better performance for Sukuna = No brain damage = Gojo fillet. No Mahoraga = More domain amplification = better performance = No brain damage = Gojo fillet.
I'm gonna be honest, while I personally think Sukuna is stronger than Gojo in both his original form and final 2 forms, I think people should take into account their ages and experience lol. Gojo learning to adapt often during that final fight and compete was insanely impressive. This fight was Gojo at 28 vs Sukuna at 1000+. I thought it would be much more of a stomp on Sukuna's end than it was. I assume if Gojo came back in the future with a few hundred years of experience more and knowing about the world cutting slash, it would have been a stomp in Gojo's favor.
15F Sukuna beats Shibuya Gojo same for 20F beats Shinjuku Gojo also Jogo is not 8-9F level he's confirmed to be 5F level and yes Sukuna can bypass infinity
The argument of CE amount doesn't matter as we see characters able to clash despite totally diff CE amounts and refinement which Gojo is lacking it's pretty disingenuous to to argue Gojo doesn't get any stronger or improves when the opposite is stated several times and no Gojo would lose to in Shibuya to 15F specially cause he cannot flip conditions of his DE
@@klemen3166I disagree. Despite Gojo losing in a Domain Clash he’d be able to overpower 15F Sukuna. It wouldn’t be a stomp in a H2H fight but I think Gojo will come out on top unless Sukuna can endure all of it. Then Sukuna just pops a few more Malevolent Shrines and that’s a wrap. I find it much more likely that Gojo can do a lot of damage before Sukuna pops the finishing blow on Gojo.
The summary of the your video, untill atleast 15f sukuna.You give too much credit to gojo and hax(which is fine).While.you undermines sukuna's brain too much.Where sukuna was able to figure out mahoraga's ability in 1 ch(which in my humble opinion is much more complex and hard to guess than gojo's).But sukuna already fought once in the start and had already enough knowledge of the gojo's ability in shibuya.
If they went in equal, Gojo knowing about Sukuna how Sukuna knew about him, Gojo mid diffs. Gojo somehow didn't know about Sukunas domain. If Sukuna had no idea about Gojos domain too, he would've been caught in the 3rd one and deaded
3:49 Your point about gojo wining in a domain clash isn’t the best argument in this scenario,in their fight gojo loses the first clash due to ms attacking his barrier from the outside,assuming that shibuya sukuna was somehow fast enough to start a clash gojo would lose the first one.In the manga he gets past this via his basketball domain strat but since he can’t do that here he would use his domain after overpowering ms. In one of gojo and sukunas clashes(I don’t remember which one) gojo activates IV a fraction of a second faster than sukuna,allowing his domain to cancel ms from forming and hitting him with the information overload sure hit,considering that this sukuna is a fourth less powerful he wouldn’t realistically get the chance to clash at all Also gojo is the most physically potent character in jjk,he was able to overcome 20f sukuna with his domain buff while being slowed down by the slashes,using his rct at full power and trying to recover his ct so saying that he wins in hands out of domains isn’t a stretch.
6:46 so your making a lot of assumptions that u really can’t prove there’s 0 evidence supporting the fact gojo was getting info to fight Sakuna and ect In fact if that was the case the first domain clash wouldn’t even happen then because it’s a plot hole everyone was shocked Sakuna had a barrierless domain , but yet todo and the sound dude roughly had a idea of that , but yet gojo didn’t know ? So this is just evidence to support that what’s the most likely given from 224-267 ish was that gojo wanted to train his students just in case he actually died this is further supported by the fact he trained with several of them allowing them to use his body , not only that but he kilt the higher ups and he asked shoko about what happened after he got sealed .so GoJo was more worried about his ideas and fostering strong allies that Weren’t alone like he was So again you’re making baseless claims and assumptions that r heavily flawed . When GoJo said he had special training he’s referring to the fact that he fought toji before aka megumi dad, and this is backed up by the fact he’s wearing the same clothing as toji symbolizing that’s what’s he’s referring 2
Shibuya sukuna can't match gojo simply because yuji was still hos vessel. Mahoraga basically assured his win in their final showdown and if he is to fight with yuji as his vessel, sukuna is cooked.
So at the end it was Meguna who won, not Sukuna. As a Gojo fan i can freely say Meguna is stronger than Gojo by a mile but not Sukuna even with original body.
Imma be honest, I genuinely feel that Gojo could have survived the World Cutting Slash if he wanted to continue fighting but simply gave up. I don't believe he died instantly. Yuki and Yuta did not die like that. Yuta even got hit by the WCS. So I think Gojo gave up mentally. He was satisfied.
15 finger sukuna still has more cursed energy than yuta who has more cursed energy than Gojo. Kashimo already stated that sukuna’s CE control is god like and if not for the 6 eyes sukuna would be superior in ce efficiency. Hence why sukuna was pretty confident he could fight Gojo at 15 fingers. I don’t see why their domains wouldn’t clash equally. Without the knowledge of the prison realm Gojo doesn’t do the smaller domain and gets cooked. Even if he still figures it out which is highly unlikely, sukuna just has to stall Gojo out with full usage of domain amplification in the 3rd and 4th clashes till Gojo’s brain is fucked. Then sukuna can open his domain and use furnace since Gojo’s wouldn’t be messing with the specifics of malevolent shrine. Sukuna also could of used furnace after first clash if he had simply expanded his domain to its max radius while Gojo was experiencing ct burnout.
Your wrong on so many things and you made many assumptions that were clearly bias towards gojo. Sukuna would and did win it isn’t a debate sukuna would have won regardless because of his domain being barrier less why is this so hard for ppl to understand?
12:56 Unsealed Gojo should be just as strong as Sealed Gojo. I always liked the metatextual reading that Gojo didn't go mad inside the Prison Realm because he was already isolated and alienated from the world and everyone around him. When Gojo was sealed, the world changed, but he stayed the same.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 false, you can see it in the body size, and also without being sealed gojo would of lost the 3 domain clash cause he wouldnt be able to imagine the basketball domain, stated in the manga
if gojo is actually going for the kill no mercy because of megumi then gojo wins sukuna ain't adapting (and we'll see a fight between heiankuna vs gojo)
Without the 4v1 against Gojo he would have won against sukunna. and yes i said 4v1 Gege was writing on Skunnas side the whole story. He Glazed Skunna from here to high Heaven Before During and After the fight happend. And don't get ne started on the Skunna Cycle.
I disagree with your reasoning for Shibuya arc Sukuna losing. For one the idea that because Sukuna had less cursed energy means he'd lose the clash is silly. Sukuna while weakened way more than he would be with 15f and heavily injured could clash with Gojo's domain while Yuta was controlling his body. So I don't think Gojo's sure hit would overpower Sukuna's in this situation. I also don't think .2s domain expansion would be a problem because as soon as Gojo goes to open his domain Sukuna will as well and they will clash normally. Finally you are ignoring the fact that Gojo doesn't have the knowledge from prison realm here which is what allowed his barrier to survive against shrine. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you think yes I agree Gojo would be stronger here, but Gojo would also struggle way more against Sukuna's domain since his barrier would keep getting shredded.
20 finger yujikuna is defeating Gojo, he has better battle iq than Gojo. had twice the CE reserves of yuta, a durable body because of Yuji, and the 2nd best CE efficiency in the series, he's beating Gojo in a domain clash due to the open domain, in this scenario he also doesn't have to just take hits for Maho's adaptation.
these videos only prove how weak gojo is he lost to a weakened sukuna without his own body and cursed tools one which we know nothing about because him having it wouldn't be fair for the HERO'S 😂
@@user-kc5pc1iq7k this not bait it's facts gojo not as crazy as yall think if you body swap and gave sukuna limitless and gojo 10s and shrine sukuna would still win
shibuya is close, why well we seem to forget shibuya gojo cannot flip domain conditions so overall his domain doesn't hold up well, also you seem to imply sukuna learnt domain amplification after shibuya
well done video but i disagree with a few points 2:20 its because of kenjakus statement that sukuna is a contingency against gojo even at 15F he also didnt say jogo is "at least" 8-9" he said "at most" - in the panel "being generous" - so he was HIGH balling Jogo and egging him on, hes clearly not 8-9 if kenjaku has to be "generous" 4:00 that 0.2 domain does absolutely nothing, if it did then gojo wouldve done it against sukuna in their fight also, that doesnt mean Sukuna cant clash - look at megumi v Dagon. And given the fact gojo doesnt have the basket ball at this time, sukuna wouldnt need 3 minutes ( arguably more given his current finger level) to destroy gojos domain cuz its simply not as durable. we can argue it would take Sukuna less than a minute to break gojos domain. thers 0 chance gojo beats up 15F sukuna in 1 minute to the point where he cant maintain his domain Sukuna even 15F has the edge in domains over shibuya gojo Gojo still wins the overwhleming majority of the time but its not as easy as people make it out to be 16F Meguna > Gojo post realm gojo ~ 16F Meguna 7:00 thats assuming sukuna still tries the same tactic of trying to adapt to gojos infinity to develop WCS, if he decides to abandon that plan the fight may even go either way full power meguna > post realm gojo 4 arm sukuna > gojo heian sukuna (heian era) > gojo
That's simply not true. Post prison realm Gojo>hein Era sukuna Pre prison realm>>>>16 finger sukuna Ten shadows+ full power+world cutting slash>gojo Kenjaku's statement doesn't prove anything there. Gojo has absolute wincon via teleportation, he never needed to clash sukuna head on in the first place, so without his domain property, his most likely approach to beat sukuna would be this. Gojo was fighting a sukuna(full power)+ amped mahoraga(at his peak atleast 14 fingers) and agito was atleast (3 fingers) Even with all that gojo was caught offguard with the WCS. He obliterates anything below 18 fingers and would still win against hein Era sukuna.
Sukuna only got the world cutting slash since meguna's adaptation. Heian era sukuna does not have the WCS. True form sukuna which i think is the real name for the sukuna after he fought gojo is stronger then heian era sukuna since his fingers get stronger by time. Sukuna,if he could have won via DA and DE then he would have. Sukuna just cant win with them thats why he needed megumi's soul,body and technique. Gojo already countered both DA and DE while sukuna is always going to lose atleast 1 battle thats why he used mahoraga to adapt to UV/IV first even though it was risky for him. Gojo can win even if he just wins that one battle,only reason sukuna survived was because of mahoraga intrupting. Gojo>Any sukuna without WCS
Doesn't it end immediately for sukuna without megumi soul once the domains sure hits actually clash after gojo switches the barreirs sides. Heian era sukuna with world cutting slash no megumi soul vs gojo without basketball domain is still a gojo win, once the second clash where the barrier dont immediately fall apart happens, sukuna sure hit don't target himself and gojos sure hit does so sukuna would lose right there. Unless sukuna holds whicker basket and run out of the domain but that'd be 2 hands sukuna again fighting gojo trying to stop him from leaving
I personally subsribe to 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna being above Satoru. For starters he counters his Domain Expansion as Malevolent Shrine is barrierless in Satoru doesn't have Prison Realm, also Fingers don't equal Domain Refinement as his Domain wouldn't even be barrierless as it being barrierless represents his mastery and skill over Jujutsu. Also I do not agree with Fingers = Stats as 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna supposes at 4 Fingers he could've beat Mahoraga who's above Jogo. Jogo being 8-9 Fingers is how much Curse Energy he has, not that he could actually be able to beat Sukuna as Satoru himself doesn't know who's stronger between 2 Finger Sukuna in Jogo (likely Sukuna since he didn't fight him fully). Megumi saying 4 Finger Sukuna is as fast as Toji is clearly wrong, as he got perception blitzed by both (meaning he couldn't see them move with his eyes). That's like saying a handgun's bullet is as fast as a sniper rifle because they're both fast, you can't see them, and you couldn't react that is not how that works. Anyways you're telling me that Sukuna thinks with a 60% stat decrease he could beat Mahoraga????? that's literally insane. (Megumi) Sukuna whenever he activated Domain Amplification beat Satoru in close-quarters combat. (Yuji) Sukuna would do the same but worse as Satoru states a Sorcerers body does matter when considering stats. Megumi got blitzed by Todo, Yuji is stated faster than Todo. (Megumi) Sukuna is relative (Slightly faster) to Satoru, (Yuji) Sukuna above obviously due to Yuji being VASTLY above Megumi stat wise. Satoru also stated 18 Finger (Megumi) Sukuna could have defeated him without Ten Shadows (cough cough, Divine Flame) so no I think Fingers only depend on output.
*Yeah any version of Sukuna gets Cripwalked on by Full Power Gojo other than Ten Shadow 20 Finger Sukuna but even then that's debatable since if Gojo is actually going for the kill he just wins blatantly since Sukuna will get caught in Infinite Void then Gojo just Hollow Purple's 🟣 him*
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 he literally has no feats nor real stuff to base anything off of, Gojo washes BADLY especially since Sukuna wouldn't have information and Domain Amplification which were INTEGRAL to his victory
Ten Shadows Sukuna would've honestly been just outright murdered if Gojo was aiming to just kill him and disregard Megumi entirely considering he didn't go for the "HEAD" when Sukuna was stunned. Didn't even thought of going for it after he stabbed Sukuna in the heart. But a True Form Sukuna vs Gojo with both having prep time would be relatively equal.
@@SilentAgression1Tillion doesn't need feats when the story outright states that he's the strongest. Narrative implication beside, he has enough feats to confirm he dogwalks Gojo.
15 sukuna and up dog walk gojo. Gojo only survived that long because he wanted to inprove his technique. gojo is not on sukuna level sukuna only needs domain amplification and domain expansion he mid diffs lol if he isnt trying to learn he will just kill gojo in the first clash with fuga cope
Does Shibuya Sukuna even know Domain Amplification from Kenjaku yet? I’ve been assuming that Sukuna does have Domain Amplification but if Sukuna doesn’t then that’s just more reason why Satoru Gojo wins.
@@CertainlyCynicalThe disaster curses had to learn it from Kenjaku. I’m not sure Sukuna knew about Domain Amplification until he met Kenjaku when they both went into the bath of evil. You couldn’t have misunderstood my comment more. I was just asking if Sukuna even knew about Domain Amplification in Shibuya NOT THAT HE COULDN’T DO IT. I’m not sure if you know but you have to know what you want to do in order to do it. Domain Amplification’s only use is bypassing Infinity without having to unleash your actual Domain Expansion. That’s not something most sorcerers know and it wouldn’t be the first time Sukuna didn’t know how to do something. Like how to bypass Gojo’s Infinity with an attack that could kill Gojo.
@@THED3ADLY7 yes he does gege said that sukunas mastery over cursed energy is so great he can do what maki can like jumping on air and they said that usually a transformation like heian era sukuna is a once in a lifetime activation but sukuna ignored it and activated it later on when he shouldnt be able to and he also glazed sukuna alittle bit more but the point is domain amp was something created way back then when sukuna was alive i beelieve its alittle disingenuous to say he didnt need or learn it to fight all those sorcerers plus sukunas understanding and mastery over domain amp was to such a great level he could use it while using domain expansion and lets just say kenjaku the only one that knows it kenjaku and sukuna was alive together and out right learned from each other back then so if it was the golden age of sorcery then its only logical he knows domain amp sorry for my grammer i cant care enough while on youtube
@@jarfartgoburr7890 sukuna cant do everything because hes not omniscient. he has to learn from someone where kenjaku is the pioneer, sukuna is the prodigy
All these sukuna will loose here and gojo will loose there are all assumptions, according to what the author inteded sukuna was clearly the most powerful of them all and even if he did not have mahoraga am sure the author could have found another way loke using a heavenly pact to lace his cleave and dismantle. The only reason sukuna needed mahoraga is because it has been for shadowed since ep 1and they cant hype infinity and just break it with an unconventional out of nowhere hax. Its quite funny because i remembered vividly in the fight gojo wondering why sukuna was taking more risky move in their battle or it just me🤔
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 your insain if you think it nerfed him without the ten shadows he gets destroyed. Maharoga gave Skunna the only way to gain an attack to kill Gojo to say That's Nerfed him is insane Mental Gymnastics. Without the ten shadows Fraudkuna is destroyed without almost any way to kill Gojo.
Are you sure? I used to think so too, until I remembered that technically Sukuna could've gone Heian form and full healed at ANY point during their fight, and that includes when Gojo was brain damaged and couldn't do domain anymore. He would've gotten cooked right there if he had gone Heian and just popped domain again, but then he would've also lost WAY sooner to the others if he had done that.
Domain clashes don’t rely on power I don’t think it was ever stated purely on the hax and speed of the domain not saying sixteen finger or 15 finger are winning but they would still win the domain clash almost every time
I don’t know why but for some reason while watching this video I actually released that Gojo may have a very overlooked wincon again heian era Sukuna, and that is by simply winning in the battle of domains. Now before you cook me please hear me out. When explaining domains to Yuji Gojo explains that the more refined domain will win HOWEVER he also mentions that the cursed energy amount can also play a part in winning a domain clash. Why is that important? That’s because an argument can be made that heian Sukuna has less CE than when he fought agains Gojo. The reason for this is when in chapter 222 Sukuna eats his old body he comments that it will EASILY make up for one finger worth of power (and in a few translation I could find he straight up admits that eating his corpse will MORE than make up for one finger). Here Sukuna basically says that eating his corpse will give him more of a power and CE boost then a finger would, meaning that Sukuna who domain clashed with Gojo actually was 20+ fingers worth of power and CE and as we saw they were completely equal in a domain clash. So correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t this mean that against heian era Sukuna Gojo is going to have a VERY slight advantage during the domain battle due to him being shown in matching in a domain clash with a version of Sukuna who had more CE than heian era Sukuna? Honestly, I really don’t know if I cooked here or burned the whole kitchen down lol.
He was at full power, the residual CE from his mummified body make up for one finger, it's like a vessel that have been filled, another finger would have added nothing or if he ate 20 fingers first then the mummified body would add nothing because his "power container" has been filled.
Basically any sukunna without his Maharoga to give him a plan way to make Wct adapt or the month prep. he cant find the technique or plan to kill gojo and surpass his infinity. Yep sums up nicely 👍. Of course ignoring heian era sukunna who wins against gojo.
@@j.r.tomlin4265 Yes debatable but as far as i know heian does not have the ability to penetrate infinity... Unless he pulls out a binding vow from his ass😂 So yeah...maho is crucial to sukuna's victory
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People are forgetting gojo also had a month of training before fighting sukuna. Sukuna used that month to regain his strength while gojo used that time to train himself, plan, and train his students
Gojo didn’t have to train to fight sukuna, gojo is the strongest and sukuna is fraud who needed his daddy mahoraga to even touch gojo”- some gojo fan
Cap@@CertainlyCynical
@@CertainlyCynicalgojo trained and needed the prison realm buff to survive past the 3rd domain
@@CertainlyCynicalGojo did special training to fight Sukuna while just chilled in the one month timeskip and still won
Sukuna was prepping for gojo for the entirety of series💀
i like to think that shibuya sukuna and gojo is so tricky because they both have no win cons over the other so it’s mainly down to either who pops the domain first or who can physically overpower the other
Sukuna takes Domain, IQ, CE reverses, Experience and Skill
Gojo takes H2H combat, physical stats, CT and BIQ(finesses his way victory)
@@THED3ADLY7 exactly
it’s also interesting to think how different sukuna might engage with gojo since he’s in yuji’s body
i imagine he’d be more aggressive due to yuji’s sheer strength on top of CE reinforcement but i don’t see gojo getting stomped or killed
@@doodoohead5631it's not even a debate tho.
It's simply not tricky.
Gojo always had the guaranteed win-con against sukuna via teleportation and landing domain afterwards instead of clashing head on.
Also gojo will simply outclass sukuna is h2h, sukuna with a DE buff was still getting overwhelmed in h2h.
A nerfed gojo was matching or even surpassing sukuna in h2h
I don't see any wincons for sukuna besides if gojo stands there and just decides to get obliterated
@@cmon9505 no.
@@cmon9505only reason he was losing h2h in domain was because it wouldnt have been very interesting if the fight lasted 2 chapters
On your 15 finger domain expansion point, saying sukuna loses to gojo in a clash at 15 fingers is false, gojo should not be able to beat the open domain, it was directly said he only had a counter because he experienced the prison realm (He'd still beat 15 finger)
Very mindful, very demure
Gojo's sure-hit will land first before Sukuna's sure-hit can destroy the barrier. Go reread the chapter.
@kvng7723 except it wouldn't, there's no reason to think sukuna has better refinement the more fingers he has, it has nothing to do with ce itself, it deals with experience and skill with the barrier, sukuna's 15 finger barrier would be just as refined as 20 finger (again gojo would still win, he has enough answers to clear 15f)
@@TheFSasquatch2426 Sukuna's Finger carry his soul it's not just about CE. Sukuna grows stronger as as Sorcerer with more finger that's why he said he would loose to Mahoraga with 3F because he can't put same Output back then as he can now.
To add to your point the only reason why Gojo’s Unlimited Void can even be broken by Malevolent Shrine is because their equal where Malevolent Shrine and Unlimited Void overlap but Unlimited Void barrier can be broken from the outside. I think for this reason despite Kenjaku’s Domain Expansion being a barrierless/open Domain Expansion it wouldn’t be able to land its sure-hit on Gojo because Unlimited Void is on par with Malevolent Shrine. You can overcome the fact a Domain Expansion is barrierless if you have a greater refinement. To recap Unlimited Void and Malevolent Shrine cancel each other out but due to Malevolent Shrine’s properties being able to break the weak outside barrier of Unlimited Void it will be the winner of a Domain Clash.
I think people misinterpret meguna, he has megumi's broken ability but his physicals are not as good as yuji as a vessel or his original body, its shown they were equal in hand to hand most the time until gojo started gaining momentum. Yall forget this is jujutsu kaisen, and sukuna beat him in what matters yall claim gojo could win but he died to a physically weaker sukuna. Yes gojo was landing hits but everything he threw at him wasnt enough to kill him even the 200% hollow purple only took a arm from meguna
Meguna punching Yuji through buildings:
@@pally3370 it was still 15f meguna at the end of the day and HEIAN era literally out ran and overpowered time skip yuji after a fresh heal with low output and it's stated his original body was Peak jujutsu. His movement is also crazy as well considering how big he is
Sukuna wasn't matching gojo.
He was getting overwhelmed with domain buff and while gojo was nerfed.
Plus gojo always had the guaranteed wincon of simply not clashing head on and winning via teleportation.
He simply has no answer to gojo's AP
How's he gonna win without insane prep and the most busted technique. Let's consider the downside of megumi's vessel which is physically weaker, and considering all the other advantages of megumi's vessel, plus considering so much more control; remember more control=more output as we saw with Hana and angel,
There's simply no way the insane advantage was balanced with the minor disadvantage
@@cmon9505
1. actually go back Everytime sukuna stopped DA gojo had the upper hand and it was stated he has to drop DA to adapt to gojo's abilities. Meaning purposely taking minimum damage while defending. The wheel was just a count down from gojo's death.
2. Gojo wincon was to damage him the best he can going all out or win/ sukuna is playing the long game while taking damage to get a move that can be used as a extension of dismantle THEN kill him
3. Sukuna force gojo to use moves that no one has ever lived long enough force outta gojo pre-prison gojo ( this peak gojo btw) and got a buff that he would of immediately lost domain 3 as well if he didn't have. (Basketball domain)
4. Gojo fell from exhaustion before sukuna did in the first half after the backlash of the domain clashes & also overusing his abilities on burnout which is attached to the brain
5. why would he teleport? He's got just as much pride as sukuna he's not running/ also if he did teleport the rest of them would get cooked by MS remember they were above the battle inside of rika
@@cmon9505sukuna was literally trying to adapt to infinity for the fun of it lmao if he REALLY wanted to he could have popped his heian era form after winning TWO domain clashes in a row and just violated gojo
you read jjk with your eyes closed.
crazy thing to say...
On god
Gojo vs megkuna wasn't even close sukuna was holding back because he wanted mahoraga to upgrade his technic
And it's debatable if gojo would have beat 15f sukuna cuz gojo also train before the fight and didn't know anything about sukunas domain
Bro are you mad
@@clayless8701 it’s not he’s right
@@DamienRitfeld are u?
Poukuna vs Half the man he used to be who wins?
YESSSS LITERALLY ALL OF JJK FANDOM KEEPS DEBATING HEIAN SUKUNA VS GOJO SO PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON IT. (also add 20 finger Sukuma with full control over yuji vs gojo because that would be interesting
So in conclusion: Gojo is the strongest when Sukuna is nerfed¬ given the ability he had to learn during their battle.
In short: Gojo is the 2nd.
In conclusion: gojo obliterates all version of sukuna besides one where sukuna had unlimited prep on gojo and had the most busted technique on par with infinity.
@@cmon9505In conclusion: 2 extra arms and a bigger build with massively more strength obliterates your king
@@lurisy9045considering 4 arm Sukuna loses h2h against fodders like Yujo (who didn't even have complete control over Gojo's body) and Yuji, regardless of physical strength, Gojo's amped strength still outscalss
@@Blambmoconsidering he onlybwas losing in h2h because this was fter his foght with gojo and he still had all that foght left he clears gojo
weirdest thing about this fight is that gojo's students had at least *some* level of intel on sukuna's domain and it feels like gojo was never informed. That first domain clash would've gone far different if gojo had his conditions in the 2nd domain clash... We could say gojo is just testing the waters but it doesn't make sense from an in-universe standpoint. Satoru Gojo, a genius prodigy sorcerer, somehow didn't realize that a domain's exterior barriers are weaker than it's interior? If we use the argument that gojo wasn't informed of Sukuna's Open Barrier Domain, it makes even less sense in-universe. Could it have been a spur of the moment decision and Gojo didn't really have time to think about adjusting his domain's conditions? If it were any other sorcerer, it'd make sense, but Gojo has the six-eyes... he literally perceives time differently, allowing him to process a year's worth of information in what a minute worth of thinking would effectively be for him.
Idky gojo just didnt spam infinite hollow purple. Just fire a blue & red & boom. Enough of those would of decimated sukuna. With the 6 eyes & limitless he has damn near infinite CE. He should of been able to pull it off. I feel like gojo lost to plot.
5:57 The thing about this is that gojo has openly stated that he was the strongest limitless six eyes user ever(with the exception of that one guy from the heian era in the light novel).
Are we assuming that Sukuna didn't learn Domain Amplification until the month before Shinjuku?
Common W Avent kun
The glazing is crazy
I think 15F Yujikuna would be even in hand to hand as long as he uses domain amp. But, if you think CE output scales to the finger amount, then Gojos domain wins. But, if you think his output doesn’t scale then he would be even with Gojo.
Gojo h2h would still be WAY better due to using blue in his fist
3:46 so in terms of 16 fingers
Sakuna has da , domain to bypass limitless just cause it wasn’t shown doesn’t mean he doesn’t have it , especially factoring he’s the king of curses and he had the da in the gojo fight it either means he trained to learn it or he already had it and I think given he’s the king of curses and ect I think it’s a fair assumption he already knew it
For people who think Sakuna just wins domain expansions , domain expansions has 3 factors , compatibility, refinement and curse energy .
20 finger Sakuna tied with gojo even though Sakuna had 4 times the amount of ce then gojo , this means gojo has better refinement
Less fingers less ce so more then likely in a domain battle Sakuna would just loose because gojo would have better refinement
So it doesn’t favor 16 finger Sakuna at all , although we can’t prove where his ce is at we can come to a agreement that more then likely the fingers gave him a star buff such as speed ce and ect ect .
This sakuan would preform worse then 20 fingers in h2h combat who was getting beat by gojo and shown to be inferior to gojo , everytime 20 finger tried to attack gojo he was getting countered so 16 fingers can literally do nothing to gojo
Guys,I understood something important recently.
When Gojo's ct burn out after loses in de clash Gojo have a big trouble.
And then I just understand.Even if ct burn out Gojo still can use barrier technique.He can just expend barrier like the one that he expending for his de.Just don't imbued ct in him.
If Gojo will create a barrier like in second or third de battle then he can don't worry about Sukuna's attack because Sukuna would be separated from Gojo by barrier.It's mean that Sukuna must destroy barrier before he can attack Gojo and even second de barrier (don't reminding about 3 de barrier) can tank Sukuna's+MS attack long enough for Gojo easily recovere his ct.
So Gojo just create a barrier,use simple domain to neutralise sure-hit and easily heal his ct,so by using this tactic Gojo can survive even if Sukuna will try to use furnace.
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Kenjaku is a Yapper. Jogo is barely 3 fingers of Sukuna
5:50 The thing about this is the sheer amount of unknowns,sukuna should have mahoraga but he might not fully grasp how exactly to use him(I mean he may not have come up with the strat of hiding him and tanking attacks to speed up the adaptation)
Since this is gojo DIRECTLY after being unsealed him being able to reliably use his basketball domain strat but due to his massive physical lead he would win in a 1v1
The thing is that in this situation it wasn’t just 16f sukuna,Kenny and urame were also there,gojo didn’t know almost anything about either(eg Kenny’s gravity ct and open domain)and didn’t know if sukuna already had mahoraga tamed,it was perfectly logical for gojo to just leave…
IS WHAT I WOULD SAY IF A 0.2 DOMAIN COULDNT PUT ALL THREE OF THEM 6 FEET UNDER
Gojo's training was sitting in the prison realm n experiencing space Time while there n how it works n applying it to his domain. Not actually training but learning
The reason Jogo stated Sukuna’s presence was evil relative to Gojos is because of the similarity in power but difference in their nature.
The statement implies relativity.
Also Jogo repeated another statement about 15f Yukuna that he made while fighting Gojo That he knew their would be a difference in strength but he didn’t expect it to be that big of a gap.
Funny how people point out it was a 3v1 but can't call out gojo for his 3v1 when he used uthahime and the principal for a SNEAK ATTACK! Gege himself pointed it out fortunately but everybody gonna act like they didn't hear that at least Sukuna was using a 3v1 from HIS power stolen from megumi using HIS stealing technique
Also, remember he made up for the last finger by eating the heard of that mummy.
I definitely think that sukuna was nerfed during his fight with gojo , gojo is constantly fighting wid a shield up an sukuna couldn’t really jus kill him an it’s a certain way sukuna has to fight him the whole fight , it was certain conditions on why sukuna didn’t just kill him off back and he had opportunities , gojo was cooked from the get go 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
The only counter to infinity was domain expansion and domain amplification.
Kenjaku says Sukuna was a backup plan for the prison realm implying that 15F Sukuna has a high chance of beating Shibuya Gojo
For real
Even if Gojo loses the Domain Clash with 15F Shibuya Sukuna he’d still be able to overpower Sukuna in H2H combat inside the Domain. I mean if Gojo was able to do it with a 20F Meguna in Shinjuku I’m pretty sure 15F Sukuna in Shibuya wouldn’t fair much better. I think Shibuya Sukuna’s win con is staying alive in H2H combat with Satoru Gojo then spamming Domain Expansions until Gojo can’t keep up. At best Gojo is only surviving 2 Malevolent Shrine because he can counter the first one with his own Domain Expansion until he loses the clash then for the 2nd one that’s going to be a gamble on whether or not he can endure it. The 3rd Malevolent Shrine should end him. Gojo’s only hope is overpowering Sukuna enough where he can hit Hollow Purple on Sukuna point blank or hit 2 Hollow Purples on Sukuna. This is a battle of attrition and I can honestly see Sukuna winning with Domain Expansion but can also see just as likely Gojo getting the better of a lesser version of Sukuna that he fought in Shinjuku. I’m rooting for Gojo all the way though.
i see your point but the gojo in shibuya is physically weaker than shinjuku gojo and at the same time would be facing a stronger sukuna in hand to hand due to having yuji as a vessel. not saying shibuya sukuna wins but just giving an argument as to how he has a higher chance than you may think.
Bro your such a glazer , gojo ain't gonna let you hit
😂
so basically apart from heiankuna gojo still stomps other versions of sukuna
15 fingers is more debatable, not a stomp. But gojo still wins that, though. 15 fingers best argument is domain followed by flame arrow
@@xsslasher4131I’d argue spamming Domain Expansions for Shibuya Sukuna since I think Hollow Purple would be able to beat a clash against Flame Arrow.
@THED3ADLY7 Yeah, I agree.
@@THED3ADLY7nobody has survived the fire arrow, guess how many times hollow purple didn’t kill its target? 😂😂😂
I think it’s very obvious which is better
@@CertainlyCynicalthe sukunna who fought gojo at 20 fingers was pushed to the absolute limit in battle like he never had before. he had to put everything on the line to win. He had to improvise to Gojos on the fly improvisation in battle adapt to his new body's abilities new techniques planning to kill ect. And he still barely won against Gojo. 15 fingers sukunna will not hold a Candle to 20 fingers or Gojo at that time. Gojo wins with a strong performance.
I really don't understand how people don't acknowledge that Gojo had prison realm training to make the small domain and he would've died without that plus he had a full month of training a long with the students as well as him knowing everything about the ten shadows yet Sukuna still out smarted him and was overall just stronger, Gojo himself said Sukuna was fighting risky and he couldn't go all out, if Gojo himself is saying Sukuna is just above him why tf are people still talking
I wonder why too
Gojo vs Sukuna (no ten shadows) remains a debate even after an year and after the manga ended. And that's how its gonna remain, an open debate forever. It's fine to think either one will win, you can make arguments for both of them.
But i just find funny what's happening. Gojo fans vs Sukuna fans needs to be locked in the same room at this point. (I bet Gojo fans are the ones to walk out of room alive)
Not at all the battle itself provides a very conclusive answer.A 19.5 finger sukuna is just going to kill gojo if he didnt rely on adaptation.the entire 2nd half of the fight happened due to 0.01 second delay from sukuna due to him holding back.if that didnt happen sukuna handily wins against gojo.
@@abrahamgeorge2043That quite literally happened because of how skillful gojo is and was adapting during the domain clash eveytime, by the 4th domain gojo was able to damage sukuna more than the 3rd domain so much more that sukuna was late in restoring his CT
I'm just gonna put this here. Gojo never stood a chance against Sukuna. It would have been an easier fight if Sukuna only needed to kill Gojo and was not trying to tear through infinity. I'll explain:
If Sukuna was to fight Gojo without any information about unlimited void and without 10 shadows, it would have obviously started out with testing each other out. Sukuna will quickly notice the barrier and understand that there is a wall between them formed by a technique and then he would attempt domain amplification to get past it.
Then comes the domain expansion battle. They would both expand their domain and Gojo's domain will break in the first instance. On the second try, Gojo will swap the conditions of his barrier to make it last longer but it would still break. On the third try, Gojo uses the small domain. This is where the difference starts showing. 10 shadows Sukuna was unable to fight optimally because using domain implication to fight Gojo would have been pausing/disrupting the 10 shadows technique. So Sukuna was essentially fighting Gojo with just cursed energy reinforcement, no barrier techniques or cursed technique, while Gojo was using everything except purple. Even then, he was able to stalemate with Gojo at 3 minutes, twice. If Sukuna is allowed to freely use domain amplification, he would be able to break Gojo's domain faster because, as we saw, being even 1 second faster or slower would determine the battle at that stage. Keep in mind that domain amplification cancels or dulls most techniques making Gojo's attacks less potent. If we go further to assume that Sukuna starts this fight with 4 arms and two mouths, then you can imagine that he would have even more advantage in hand to hand against Gojo in the domain clashes.
For those arguing that 4 arms will not give Sukuna an advantage, use logic for a second. Sukuna was born with 4 arms and has always fought with that configuration. In Megumi's body, he has access to only 2 arms. This is a nerf. Saying it is not a nerf is equivalent to saying that Gojo would still be at the same proficiency level in hand to hand even if he lost one of his arms. When you then consider that Sukuna has an extra mouth with which he can continuously chant to enhance his output, like the output of his domain amplification, then you can start to imagine whether Sukuna with 4 arms and 2 mouths can also break Gojo's domain by damaging Gojo directly.
That said, fast forward to when Gojo eventually gets brain damage from repeatedly refreshing his burnout cursed technique. We will be left with a situation where Gojo has to fight Sukuna inside Malevolent Shrine. I used to assume Gojo's infinity would be able to prevent Malevolent shrine's surehit from landing but in chapter 15, Gojo confirms that the surehit of a domain will eventually bypass infinity naturally. Well, once Sukuna closes his domain and the surehit is able to land, you can just imagine what would happen next....Fuga? RIP
Gojo simply teleports out of the effective range of the domain instead of tanking it and overloading his rct (this is a major plot hole). The author himself admitted in an exhibition his only way of countering gojo was to have sukuna use mahoraga. With heain sukuna, open domain is his only option. His plans were....
A. Kill gojo with open domain (malevolent shrine)
B. Force gojo to spam his domain until he fries his brain.
C. Gang up on gojo with mahoraga and agito.
D. Learn the world slash (if failed, use binding vow to make it instantaneous and to be able to cast out without handsignal requirements)
E. If D also failed, reincarnate into his original form where he heals completely and also has infinity counter where he kills gojo since he's weakened.
Sukuna was indeed going for the kill, he never "held back", he started adapting and limiting his arsenal to just mahoraga to learn from since his previous plans FAILED. There's nothing he could do in his favor if he went "all out". Him having extra arms wouldn't add much value but destroy all this other options with mahoraga.
@zeeshanmalik2184 Your comment is so funny because of how wrong it is. You say Gojo would teleport. Do you think you are the only one who thought about that? Before Sukuna gets brain damage he specifically mentioned that he was going to close his domain so Gojo would have nowhere to run. On that single basis, your whole comment falls apart.
@@Purifi3r Even then, you can't counterpoint anything else. Just because one of my statement is wrong doesn't mean everything is incorrect. You only "won" the Battle
@@zeeshanmalik2184 Ofcourse I can counterpoint everything else. I already did in my original post but I will indulge you.
You have to be clear when you say "the only way Sukuna has of countering Gojo is through Mahoraga". This is correct on a cursed technique level but is not true when you consider cursed jujutsu as a whole.
First of, Sukuna never planned to gang up on Gojo with Mahoraga and Agito. You are not reading the story properly. Sukuna thought he already had victory in his hands when Gojo gained brain damage. Mahoraga was a card he only really wanted to remove unlimited void. Sukuna thought that once Gojo could not expand his domain anymore, Sukuna would close his own domain and fight Gojo inside it. Sukuna would use domain amplification and Shrine's surehit would penetrate Gojo''s infinity naturally (even without domain amplification). Sukuna then said he would even adapt to infinity while carving Gojo up. All that other stuff you are talking about were plans Sukuna made on the fly after he realised he could not use his domain as well. Reincarnation and binding vows were options available to him, but not really part of the "plan" to defeat Gojo.
Sukuna was going for the kill but not efficiently because he had something he wanted to gain while going for the kill so he took a very specific route that carried a lot of risk but also a lot of gain (adapting to infinity - world cutting slash).
Yes, he started making Mahoraga adapt since his previous plan failed. But why did his previous plan fail? it was because he took the Mahoraga route. You are not accounting for the fact that Gojo was only able to hit Sukuna with unlimited void because of a 1 second lapse. This means that if Sukuna had just been 1 second faster at healing himself, Gojo would have been the only one with brain damage.
4 arms and 2 mouths matter because his original body is much stronger and better at close range fighting than Megumi's body. If you are trying to argue that Gojo would have still been able to beat 4 arms and 2 mouths Sukuna in hand to hand, then you are just being disingenuous.
If Sukuna was also not trying to let Mahoraga adapt, he would have been able to use domain amplification on full blast throughout his fight with Gojo inside the domain making it less likely for Gojo to win the domain fights.
To sum up:
Better body = better performance for Sukuna = No brain damage = Gojo fillet.
No Mahoraga = More domain amplification = better performance = No brain damage = Gojo fillet.
@Purifi3r after some more research, I agree. You're absolutely right, Gojo never stood a chance.
Your such a Gojo glazer 💀
He isn’t as a professional gojo glazer he 100% isn’t one
News flash, 95% of jjk fans are gojo glazers
He's a gojo glazer? No that's only half right bud.
Nice argument, definitely proves him wrong.
Nigga nobody’s glazing you just coping don’t get it twisted lil bro 🙏
I'm gonna be honest, while I personally think Sukuna is stronger than Gojo in both his original form and final 2 forms, I think people should take into account their ages and experience lol. Gojo learning to adapt often during that final fight and compete was insanely impressive. This fight was Gojo at 28 vs Sukuna at 1000+. I thought it would be much more of a stomp on Sukuna's end than it was. I assume if Gojo came back in the future with a few hundred years of experience more and knowing about the world cutting slash, it would have been a stomp in Gojo's favor.
Weah, we want a video Heian era Sukuna vs Gojo 💪
15F Sukuna beats Shibuya Gojo same for 20F beats Shinjuku Gojo also Jogo is not 8-9F level he's confirmed to be 5F level and yes Sukuna can bypass infinity
The argument of CE amount doesn't matter as we see characters able to clash despite totally diff CE amounts and refinement which Gojo is lacking it's pretty disingenuous to to argue Gojo doesn't get any stronger or improves when the opposite is stated several times and no Gojo would lose to in Shibuya to 15F specially cause he cannot flip conditions of his DE
@@klemen3166I disagree. Despite Gojo losing in a Domain Clash he’d be able to overpower 15F Sukuna. It wouldn’t be a stomp in a H2H fight but I think Gojo will come out on top unless Sukuna can endure all of it. Then Sukuna just pops a few more Malevolent Shrines and that’s a wrap. I find it much more likely that Gojo can do a lot of damage before Sukuna pops the finishing blow on Gojo.
15F sukuna would get destroyed by Gojo mid diff
Where is it confirmed that jogo is at a 5F level? Any official statements or very clear evidence that disproves what was stated by kenjaku?
@@rexder6890 Gege says it in the interview
The summary of the your video, untill atleast 15f sukuna.You give too much credit to gojo and hax(which is fine).While.you undermines sukuna's brain too much.Where sukuna was able to figure out mahoraga's ability in 1 ch(which in my humble opinion is much more complex and hard to guess than gojo's).But sukuna already fought once in the start and had already enough knowledge of the gojo's ability in shibuya.
Bro thought hes slick by adding Kashimo fighting a stronger Sukuna than the rest of Jujutsu high (beside Gojo)
If they went in equal, Gojo knowing about Sukuna how Sukuna knew about him, Gojo mid diffs.
Gojo somehow didn't know about Sukunas domain. If Sukuna had no idea about Gojos domain too, he would've been caught in the 3rd one and deaded
Six Eyes gives Gojo all the information about someone when he sees them.
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901not true,if that was the case he would have never been caught offguard by world cutting slash.
Yes, gojo after he found a way around the barrierless domain would have simply won.
@@cmon9505 the series states otherwise.
@@cmon9505 Gojo has no way of bypassing the barrierless domain, even his bootleg basketball domain could only stop MS for 3 minutes.
0:58 actually its 2 fingers.
Yujir already came up with 1 finger preloaded.
3:49 Your point about gojo wining in a domain clash isn’t the best argument in this scenario,in their fight gojo loses the first clash due to ms attacking his barrier from the outside,assuming that shibuya sukuna was somehow fast enough to start a clash gojo would lose the first one.In the manga he gets past this via his basketball domain strat but since he can’t do that here he would use his domain after overpowering ms.
In one of gojo and sukunas clashes(I don’t remember which one) gojo activates IV a fraction of a second faster than sukuna,allowing his domain to cancel ms from forming and hitting him with the information overload sure hit,considering that this sukuna is a fourth less powerful he wouldn’t realistically get the chance to clash at all
Also gojo is the most physically potent character in jjk,he was able to overcome 20f sukuna with his domain buff while being slowed down by the slashes,using his rct at full power and trying to recover his ct so saying that he wins in hands out of domains isn’t a stretch.
sukuna riders when they realize asspulls arent a technique and getting rid of them is not a nerf
ur wrong @jaded video is better it’s obvious ur a gojo glazer and dont see both sides just straight bias.
@@blehfaygo nah i said Sukuna won, in the Gojo vs Sukuna fight video
if it was a 1v1 gojo would might have won, but sukuna called his daddy big raga to wipe his ass
Here is my opinion
Sukuna 1-2f gojo
Gojo glazing is Insane
6:46 so your making a lot of assumptions that u really can’t prove there’s 0 evidence supporting the fact gojo was getting info to fight Sakuna and ect
In fact if that was the case the first domain clash wouldn’t even happen then because it’s a plot hole everyone was shocked Sakuna had a barrierless domain , but yet todo and the sound dude roughly had a idea of that , but yet gojo didn’t know ?
So this is just evidence to support that what’s the most likely given from 224-267 ish was that gojo wanted to train his students just in case he actually died this is further supported by the fact he trained with several of them allowing them to use his body , not only that but he kilt the higher ups and he asked shoko about what happened after he got sealed .so GoJo was more worried about his ideas and fostering strong allies that Weren’t alone like he was
So again you’re making baseless claims and assumptions that r heavily flawed .
When GoJo said he had special training he’s referring to the fact that he fought toji before aka megumi dad, and this is backed up by the fact he’s wearing the same clothing as toji symbolizing that’s what’s he’s referring 2
Shibuya sukuna can't match gojo simply because yuji was still hos vessel. Mahoraga basically assured his win in their final showdown and if he is to fight with yuji as his vessel, sukuna is cooked.
So at the end it was Meguna who won, not Sukuna. As a Gojo fan i can freely say Meguna is stronger than Gojo by a mile but not Sukuna even with original body.
Imma be honest, I genuinely feel that Gojo could have survived the World Cutting Slash if he wanted to continue fighting but simply gave up. I don't believe he died instantly. Yuki and Yuta did not die like that. Yuta even got hit by the WCS. So I think Gojo gave up mentally. He was satisfied.
The cope is crazy he got split in half what r you on about😭😭😭
15 finger sukuna still has more cursed energy than yuta who has more cursed energy than Gojo. Kashimo already stated that sukuna’s CE control is god like and if not for the 6 eyes sukuna would be superior in ce efficiency.
Hence why sukuna was pretty confident he could fight Gojo at 15 fingers. I don’t see why their domains wouldn’t clash equally. Without the knowledge of the prison realm Gojo doesn’t do the smaller domain and gets cooked. Even if he still figures it out which is highly unlikely, sukuna just has to stall Gojo out with full usage of domain amplification in the 3rd and 4th clashes till Gojo’s brain is fucked. Then sukuna can open his domain and use furnace since Gojo’s wouldn’t be messing with the specifics of malevolent shrine. Sukuna also could of used furnace after first clash if he had simply expanded his domain to its max radius while Gojo was experiencing ct burnout.
Your wrong on so many things and you made many assumptions that were clearly bias towards gojo. Sukuna would and did win it isn’t a debate sukuna would have won regardless because of his domain being barrier less why is this so hard for ppl to understand?
U can't be this dumb bro
"Neat infinite" 🥴
Just say man Sukuna would win in his full strength
I'd like gojo also but reality is reality
1st Like and comment let's goooooo
A revived gojo could defeat sukuna as he would have all the knowledge on healing burntout curse technique and the mini domain
12:56 Unsealed Gojo should be just as strong as Sealed Gojo. I always liked the metatextual reading that Gojo didn't go mad inside the Prison Realm because he was already isolated and alienated from the world and everyone around him. When Gojo was sealed, the world changed, but he stayed the same.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 false, you can see it in the body size, and also without being sealed gojo would of lost the 3 domain clash cause he wouldnt be able to imagine the basketball domain, stated in the manga
@@Sirdagger-v"see it in the body"
Gojo was already ripped but wore his uniform
if gojo is actually going for the kill no mercy because of megumi then gojo wins sukuna ain't adapting (and we'll see a fight between heiankuna vs gojo)
Without the 4v1 against Gojo he would have won against sukunna. and yes i said 4v1 Gege was writing on Skunnas side the whole story. He Glazed Skunna from here to high Heaven Before During and After the fight happend. And don't get ne started on the Skunna Cycle.
Sakura is able to have an open domain in trade. People are able to escape it guess who has teleportation in this fight you guys can do the rest
Gojo solos Kenjaku and 15/16F sukuna but gojo being gojo wanted to fight him and his strongest..so he waited.
I disagree with your reasoning for Shibuya arc Sukuna losing. For one the idea that because Sukuna had less cursed energy means he'd lose the clash is silly. Sukuna while weakened way more than he would be with 15f and heavily injured could clash with Gojo's domain while Yuta was controlling his body. So I don't think Gojo's sure hit would overpower Sukuna's in this situation. I also don't think .2s domain expansion would be a problem because as soon as Gojo goes to open his domain Sukuna will as well and they will clash normally. Finally you are ignoring the fact that Gojo doesn't have the knowledge from prison realm here which is what allowed his barrier to survive against shrine. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you think yes I agree Gojo would be stronger here, but Gojo would also struggle way more against Sukuna's domain since his barrier would keep getting shredded.
What are the point of these videos obviously gojo beats a sukuna not at full strength? Seriously jjk fans running out of content ideas i swear 😂
20 finger yujikuna is defeating Gojo, he has better battle iq than Gojo. had twice the CE reserves of yuta, a durable body because of Yuji, and the 2nd best CE efficiency in the series, he's beating Gojo in a domain clash due to the open domain, in this scenario he also doesn't have to just take hits for Maho's adaptation.
these videos only prove how weak gojo is he lost to a weakened sukuna without his own body and cursed tools one which we know nothing about because him having it wouldn't be fair for the HERO'S 😂
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Least obvious rage bate
@@user-kc5pc1iq7k this not bait it's facts gojo not as crazy as yall think if you body swap and gave sukuna limitless and gojo 10s and shrine sukuna would still win
shibuya is close, why
well we seem to forget shibuya gojo cannot flip domain conditions so overall his domain doesn't hold up well, also you seem to imply sukuna learnt domain amplification after shibuya
Indeed two are very close.
well done video but i disagree with a few points
2:20 its because of kenjakus statement that sukuna is a contingency against gojo even at 15F
he also didnt say jogo is "at least" 8-9" he said "at most" - in the panel "being generous" - so he was HIGH balling Jogo and egging him on, hes clearly not 8-9 if kenjaku has to be "generous"
4:00 that 0.2 domain does absolutely nothing, if it did then gojo wouldve done it against sukuna in their fight
also, that doesnt mean Sukuna cant clash - look at megumi v Dagon.
And given the fact gojo doesnt have the basket ball at this time, sukuna wouldnt need 3 minutes ( arguably more given his current finger level) to destroy gojos domain cuz its simply not as durable. we can argue it would take Sukuna less than a minute to break gojos domain. thers 0 chance gojo beats up 15F sukuna in 1 minute to the point where he cant maintain his domain
Sukuna even 15F has the edge in domains over shibuya gojo
Gojo still wins the overwhleming majority of the time but its not as easy as people make it out to be
16F Meguna > Gojo
post realm gojo ~ 16F Meguna
7:00 thats assuming sukuna still tries the same tactic of trying to adapt to gojos infinity to develop WCS, if he decides to abandon that plan the fight may even go either way
full power meguna > post realm gojo
4 arm sukuna > gojo
heian sukuna (heian era) > gojo
That's simply not true.
Post prison realm Gojo>hein Era sukuna
Pre prison realm>>>>16 finger sukuna
Ten shadows+ full power+world cutting slash>gojo
Kenjaku's statement doesn't prove anything there.
Gojo has absolute wincon via teleportation, he never needed to clash sukuna head on in the first place, so without his domain property, his most likely approach to beat sukuna would be this.
Gojo was fighting a sukuna(full power)+ amped mahoraga(at his peak atleast 14 fingers) and agito was atleast (3 fingers)
Even with all that gojo was caught offguard with the WCS.
He obliterates anything below 18 fingers and would still win against hein Era sukuna.
"megumi would have been toast" whats the negative?
My Take
Teen Gojo (Awakening) >>> (Any version of Sukuna below 10F)
Gojo JJK0 >>>>> (Any version of Sukuna below 12-14F)
Gojo (Shibuya) >= Yujikuna (Shibuya) (High-Extreme Diff)
Gojo (Shinjuku) >>>> Yujikuna (Shibuya) (Low Diff)
Gojo (Shinjuku) > Yujikuna (19-20F hypothetical) (High-Extreme Diff)
Gojo (Shinjuku) > Meguna (No 10S) (High Diff)
Meguna (10S No Mahoraga) = Gojo (Shinjuku)
Meguna (10S + Mahoraga Before adaptation) > Gojo (High Diff)
Meguna (10S + Mahoraga + WS) >>> Gojo (Low-Mid diff)
Sukuna Heian >> Gojo (Mid Diff)
Full Power Sukuna (All weapons + 10S + WS) >>>>>> Gojo (No-Low Diff)
Wrong
He speaks the language called fax so cry about it
Can you do L vs johan
Isnt 1 finger sukuna really 2 finger sukuna? Since yuji had a dormant finger inside him at birth?
Sukuna only got the world cutting slash since meguna's adaptation.
Heian era sukuna does not have the WCS.
True form sukuna which i think is the real name for the sukuna after he fought gojo is stronger then heian era sukuna since his fingers get stronger by time.
Sukuna,if he could have won via DA and DE then he would have.
Sukuna just cant win with them thats why he needed megumi's soul,body and technique.
Gojo already countered both DA and DE while sukuna is always going to lose atleast 1 battle thats why he used mahoraga to adapt to UV/IV first even though it was risky for him.
Gojo can win even if he just wins that one battle,only reason sukuna survived was because of mahoraga intrupting.
Gojo>Any sukuna without WCS
Doesn't it end immediately for sukuna without megumi soul once the domains sure hits actually clash after gojo switches the barreirs sides. Heian era sukuna with world cutting slash no megumi soul vs gojo without basketball domain is still a gojo win, once the second clash where the barrier dont immediately fall apart happens, sukuna sure hit don't target himself and gojos sure hit does so sukuna would lose right there. Unless sukuna holds whicker basket and run out of the domain but that'd be 2 hands sukuna again fighting gojo trying to stop him from leaving
Dude sukuna has da
@@lightzone6542 his sure hit doesn't target himself and doesn't cancel out gojos sure hit on him
The problem is shibuya gojo is way weaker than shinjuku gojo, it's wrong to think they are the same
Also he never did truly have all 20 fingers, a replacement isn’t going to be as powerful as the real thing
I personally subsribe to 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna being above Satoru. For starters he counters his Domain Expansion as Malevolent Shrine is barrierless in Satoru doesn't have Prison Realm, also Fingers don't equal Domain Refinement as his Domain wouldn't even be barrierless as it being barrierless represents his mastery and skill over Jujutsu.
Also I do not agree with Fingers = Stats as 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna supposes at 4 Fingers he could've beat Mahoraga who's above Jogo. Jogo being 8-9 Fingers is how much Curse Energy he has, not that he could actually be able to beat Sukuna as Satoru himself doesn't know who's stronger between 2 Finger Sukuna in Jogo (likely Sukuna since he didn't fight him fully).
Megumi saying 4 Finger Sukuna is as fast as Toji is clearly wrong, as he got perception blitzed by both (meaning he couldn't see them move with his eyes). That's like saying a handgun's bullet is as fast as a sniper rifle because they're both fast, you can't see them, and you couldn't react that is not how that works.
Anyways you're telling me that Sukuna thinks with a 60% stat decrease he could beat Mahoraga????? that's literally insane. (Megumi) Sukuna whenever he activated Domain Amplification beat Satoru in close-quarters combat. (Yuji) Sukuna would do the same but worse as Satoru states a Sorcerers body does matter when considering stats.
Megumi got blitzed by Todo, Yuji is stated faster than Todo. (Megumi) Sukuna is relative (Slightly faster) to Satoru, (Yuji) Sukuna above obviously due to Yuji being VASTLY above Megumi stat wise. Satoru also stated 18 Finger (Megumi) Sukuna could have defeated him without Ten Shadows (cough cough, Divine Flame) so no I think Fingers only depend on output.
Kenjaku solos too 💀
Real
Who wins? Sukuna (fingered 15 times) or Gojo (Hollow and purple)
*Yeah any version of Sukuna gets Cripwalked on by Full Power Gojo other than Ten Shadow 20 Finger Sukuna but even then that's debatable since if Gojo is actually going for the kill he just wins blatantly since Sukuna will get caught in Infinite Void then Gojo just Hollow Purple's 🟣 him*
Heian era Sukuna violates Gojo
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 he literally has no feats nor real stuff to base anything off of, Gojo washes BADLY especially since Sukuna wouldn't have information and Domain Amplification which were INTEGRAL to his victory
Ten Shadows Sukuna would've honestly been just outright murdered if Gojo was aiming to just kill him and disregard Megumi entirely considering he didn't go for the "HEAD" when Sukuna was stunned. Didn't even thought of going for it after he stabbed Sukuna in the heart.
But a True Form Sukuna vs Gojo with both having prep time would be relatively equal.
@@SilentAgression1Tillion doesn't need feats when the story outright states that he's the strongest. Narrative implication beside, he has enough feats to confirm he dogwalks Gojo.
@@SilentAgression1Tillion Heian era Sukuna wins one domain clash and shoots Furnace, the end. Nameless fish becomes roasted fish.
15 sukuna and up dog walk gojo. Gojo only survived that long because he wanted to inprove his technique. gojo is not on sukuna level sukuna only needs domain amplification and domain expansion he mid diffs lol if he isnt trying to learn he will just kill gojo in the first clash with fuga cope
Yeah. King of curses using DA n DE with or without ten shadow technique
Uh prison realm gojo had a boost in power then he continued to train while sukuna only focused on regaining his power gojo fraud watch
Sukuna solos neg diff
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Does Shibuya Sukuna even know Domain Amplification from Kenjaku yet? I’ve been assuming that Sukuna does have Domain Amplification but if Sukuna doesn’t then that’s just more reason why Satoru Gojo wins.
Yes hanami can use domain amplification but let’s all assume that sukuna can’t do it….. 🤦🏻♂️
@@CertainlyCynicalThe disaster curses had to learn it from Kenjaku. I’m not sure Sukuna knew about Domain Amplification until he met Kenjaku when they both went into the bath of evil. You couldn’t have misunderstood my comment more. I was just asking if Sukuna even knew about Domain Amplification in Shibuya NOT THAT HE COULDN’T DO IT. I’m not sure if you know but you have to know what you want to do in order to do it. Domain Amplification’s only use is bypassing Infinity without having to unleash your actual Domain Expansion. That’s not something most sorcerers know and it wouldn’t be the first time Sukuna didn’t know how to do something. Like how to bypass Gojo’s Infinity with an attack that could kill Gojo.
@@CertainlyCynicalI’m sorry you can’t comprehend my question
@@THED3ADLY7 yes he does gege said that sukunas mastery over cursed energy is so great he can do what maki can like jumping on air and they said that usually a transformation like heian era sukuna is a once in a lifetime activation but sukuna ignored it and activated it later on when he shouldnt be able to and he also glazed sukuna alittle bit more but the point is domain amp was something created way back then when sukuna was alive i beelieve its alittle disingenuous to say he didnt need or learn it to fight all those sorcerers plus sukunas understanding and mastery over domain amp was to such a great level he could use it while using domain expansion and lets just say kenjaku the only one that knows it kenjaku and sukuna was alive together and out right learned from each other back then so if it was the golden age of sorcery then its only logical he knows domain amp
sorry for my grammer i cant care enough while on youtube
@@jarfartgoburr7890 sukuna cant do everything because hes not omniscient. he has to learn from someone
where kenjaku is the pioneer, sukuna is the prodigy
All these sukuna will loose here and gojo will loose there are all assumptions, according to what the author inteded sukuna was clearly the most powerful of them all and even if he did not have mahoraga am sure the author could have found another way loke using a heavenly pact to lace his cleave and dismantle. The only reason sukuna needed mahoraga is because it has been for shadowed since ep 1and they cant hype infinity and just break it with an unconventional out of nowhere hax. Its quite funny because i remembered vividly in the fight gojo wondering why sukuna was taking more risky move in their battle or it just me🤔
Take away 10 shadows and fraudkuna gets clapped mid difficulty
10 Shadows nerfed Sukuna for the entire fight. Without 10 Shadows he kills Gojo in the first domain clash.
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 your insain if you think it nerfed him without the ten shadows he gets destroyed. Maharoga gave Skunna the only way to gain an attack to kill Gojo to say That's Nerfed him is insane Mental Gymnastics. Without the ten shadows Fraudkuna is destroyed without almost any way to kill Gojo.
Are you sure? I used to think so too, until I remembered that technically Sukuna could've gone Heian form and full healed at ANY point during their fight, and that includes when Gojo was brain damaged and couldn't do domain anymore. He would've gotten cooked right there if he had gone Heian and just popped domain again, but then he would've also lost WAY sooner to the others if he had done that.
Take away the six eyes gojo loses 🥱 imagine only being strong because you’re born with an advantage
@@j.r.tomlin4265did… you read the fight?
I mean how did sukuna win extreme diff if gojo
Him
Self said sukuna didn’t try his brst
10 finger Sukuna solos any Gojo.
😂
my heart went kit-kat after seeing this
That joker vs L smartness thing lil bro
Sukuna can't win wo Ten shadows.
Domain clashes don’t rely on power I don’t think it was ever stated purely on the hax and speed of the domain not saying sixteen finger or 15 finger are winning but they would still win the domain clash almost every time
I don’t know why but for some reason while watching this video I actually released that Gojo may have a very overlooked wincon again heian era Sukuna, and that is by simply winning in the battle of domains. Now before you cook me please hear me out. When explaining domains to Yuji Gojo explains that the more refined domain will win HOWEVER he also mentions that the cursed energy amount can also play a part in winning a domain clash. Why is that important? That’s because an argument can be made that heian Sukuna has less CE than when he fought agains Gojo. The reason for this is when in chapter 222 Sukuna eats his old body he comments that it will EASILY make up for one finger worth of power (and in a few translation I could find he straight up admits that eating his corpse will MORE than make up for one finger). Here Sukuna basically says that eating his corpse will give him more of a power and CE boost then a finger would, meaning that Sukuna who domain clashed with Gojo actually was 20+ fingers worth of power and CE and as we saw they were completely equal in a domain clash. So correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t this mean that against heian era Sukuna Gojo is going to have a VERY slight advantage during the domain battle due to him being shown in matching in a domain clash with a version of Sukuna who had more CE than heian era Sukuna? Honestly, I really don’t know if I cooked here or burned the whole kitchen down lol.
Cool, but the original Heian era Sukuna was much much stronger than Meguna.
Correction: 19 FINGERS NOT 20
He was at full power, the residual CE from his mummified body make up for one finger, it's like a vessel that have been filled, another finger would have added nothing or if he ate 20 fingers first then the mummified body would add nothing because his "power container" has been filled.
If it weren't for mahoraga
gojo wouldn't have made it past the 1st domain clash
@@CertainlyCynical just decided to wake up and speak ass
@@Itz_Tisheit's facts. Heian era Sukuna rapes Gojo in the first domain clash.
Any *NON* full power Sukuna gets clapped. He needs all of his fingers or he gets cooked no matter what body he's in.
Basically any sukunna without his Maharoga to give him a plan way to make Wct adapt or the month prep. he cant find the technique or plan to kill gojo and surpass his infinity. Yep sums up nicely 👍. Of course ignoring heian era sukunna who wins against gojo.
Hein era sukuna most likely looses to gojo.
@@cmon9505 Agreed but it's debatable.
@@j.r.tomlin4265
Yes debatable
but as far as i know heian does not have the ability to penetrate infinity...
Unless he pulls out a binding vow from his ass😂
So yeah...maho is crucial to sukuna's victory
Yuji not being top three is debatable
he's definitely NOT top 3
He is not top 3, he's hardly in the debate for top 5
@@giovannieriksandu2432 I know I just want to get an argument going
yuta being top 3 is right