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Objection omeg shenron was never able to destroy the universe he said the negative energy would decay the universe something like that not destroy and we have seen that completely overpowering an opponent in dragon ball can be done just by being at least 2 times stronger we have seen this in the namek arc so gogeta is at least 2 times stronger and not 50 times like people say
Great video, but one correction. Frieza wasn't forced to use gold. He used it for fun, frieza used his golden form as a reflection of hate for the ssj form. So, he noticed he would use it many times when he didn't even need to use it. Not to mention at base frieza wasn't trying and tanked his shots. Meaning he was at the least 2.5x stronger than cabba in base. Even with the 20 than 50x multiplier. He used gold to tank and then proceeded to play around with him. We have no evidence that gold frieza even used a large chunk of his power to ring out cabba. Since he proceeded to torture him.
So, you don't know what you're talking about here. Super has two universes that were going to be immediately destroyed by the clash between Goku and Beerus, Heaven and the Mortal Realm. Gogeta can beseveral times stronger than that and it still wouldn't scale as Cabba and everyone else had surpassed that level in the tournament of power. You also can't use the movies for GT, as Goku stating that Buu was the strongest character (with no implication of growth in power over time as Kid Buu)defeats the effectiveness of your argument. As even in the anime his largest feats were shown to be Multi-Galaxy, if that. It was implied (emphasis on implied) that he could destroy heaven, but we have no clue of the time frame and Heaven is an infinite realm. So at the start, base GT Kid Goku would be at Galaxy+, if that. While Goku in Super would already surpass Multi-Universal (2 Universes) as God Goku and have absorbed said power. Nof only that, the punches were casual. The shockwave was made due to a lack of control on Goku's part and the destruction was more immeduate, meaning an actual, focused attack would bare more destructive capacity. Tnis just magnifies the ability of Vegeta and Goku who also have Blue which, just like Gogeta are several times more powerful than their base selves due to magnifying the power of SSJ's 50 times multiplier. Cabba was shown to have surpassed Blue (from the Black Arc) in the tournament of power (but of course the series inflates power levelsseveral times over). Gogeta, basically isn't stronger than Cabba, youd have to prove he had the actual power to destroy 2 universes in an instant, as the minus ball was going to corrode the universe over time, even still there's no estimation that it would be outright, otherwise, it would have been. If you can provide that, I'll concede, but several characters have better hax than strongerfighters, doesn't mean they'll win. There were multiple i stances of Cabba and Vegeta fighting, that Cabba had Vegeta on the back foot, even in his newly obtained SSJ. Vegeta didn't need to lie either, he says, in both the anime and manga, Cabba was as strong as him.
Watch Dragon ball Heroes please. It kills me that you give out inaccurate information to people. DB Heroes is made by Japan and it tells you an accurate power scaling. Goku Xeno is a TIMETRAVELER. He is from the end of GT😒😒😒😒
I see all these short ahh under 6’0 head ahh kid ahh kids talking about how cabba beats Gogeta like buddy I will knock some sense into you, watch the saiyan scholar’s take on this debate. His channel is saiyan scholar.
But then again ssjblue is godki that fusion isn’t touching that lol 😆 godki just like vegeta to Goku even with ultra ego destroyer power angelic power is way stronger and there is no end to how powerful they can get especially since they cant fight for real lol but that is the comparison with ssjblue compared too a fusion that fusion is strong but remember how fast they defused lol
@@aymanriki1018 not a factual or reliable statement. Its literally the only thing you're able to compete cabba with ssj4 gogeta with and even then he still folds if you account this to be true. Vegeta clearly takes pride in his own kind hence why he smiles and even lectures cabba. Its clear he wasnt trying when he was testing cabbas skill. Its people like you who think of such little statements as true but then deny other large statements in databooks and call it a 'mistranslation'
@@ReboundedTOG using vegeta smiling as a way to downplay cabba is actually insane, we see in the manga, vegeta SWEATS while fighting in base against cabba and both roshi and krillin are amazed by cabba's fighting. vegeta assumed he can go ss, which is why he was happy fighting him because he already believed base to base they are relative not just cuz of his pride. u think he had "pride" fighting broly? he didn't gaf
@aymanriki1018 it isnt 'insane' cabba didnt even know how to turn ssj. Using that as a way to prove your point is actually stupid. Vegeta sweating is a dumb excuse. Vegeta was already fatigued from fighting big metal dude, who's temperatures were boiling vegeta alive (im pretty sure thats why we sweat in the first place). He got smacked into another fight with his same race, so logically there shouldn't be major power gap within the same training levels. Vegeta prior to this, had 6 months of daily training with whis, cabba had none of that. And you see it sensical that cabba can be compared to vegeta with half a year of angel training. So you are seriously going to ignore the implications of that? If vegeta assumed he could go ssj, wouldnt you think he has pride in the fact he is a saiyan? Vegeta even shows respect for the fact that cabba uses his same stance and can use galick gun, thats why he has pride in him, because they're so alike. Cabba is one of the few people vegeta actually has conversation with and i dont think he has given a solemn oath to anyone else except for cabba throughout db. What are you talking about??? 'which is why he was happy fighting him' that just proves my point. He has pride in the fact he is a saiyan which is why he wants to fight him. Now why on earth would you possibly compare cabba to broly? Broly was hardly becoming of a saiyan to vegeta. He was more of a rampid dog causing chaos everywhere, unbecoming of the saiyan vegeta expects.
@aymanriki1018 note: sweating in the manga is used excessively, you can even see vegeta sweating in saiyan arc when goku is fighting nappa, yes vegeta sweating while being stood on the side
It's ironic that the same fans that claim "only feats count, not statements of power" swear by Cabba winning when the only evidence we have to go by is Vegeta's statement that they're "equals". Because without that statement, everything else falls apart.
@ghostcrow2913 but people are assuming vegeta is going all out in base. To say that is to say that base CABBA is equal to or slightly stronger than BoG Ss god goku... are we really saying that? There's just no way. Equal to him at the level of power he was putting out.
@@Jsipki265 uhhh.. no diffing omega shenron who just by existing was doing a feat better than the entirety of dbs? easily scaling past baby vegeta who made a move that affected a space that transcended the fabric of time itself (stated in databooks, outerversal)
@@YATL45VA Because some people are funny (the sigmas) the people who hate on GT and take it seriously (Bad) and the people who take this as an offense (I understand but bro its a meme)
@@charliewilliams4029 They are, watch the anime. (Plus Omega almost destroyed Universe 7 (and kaioshin realm, heaven, and hell) by standing (with minus energy), like with ssg's puches)
7:44 why are yall convoluting anime cabba fight vs frieza to manga caulifla fighting frieza whwn clearly the ToP is vastly different from manga to anime with very different scaling, caulifla in the manga doesn't even unlock ssj2 while ssj2 caulifla exist in the anime plus anime caulifla never fights anime frieza 🤦♀️
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Okay, I see people do not truly realize GT's scaling, so I'll address some things. 1. Base GT Goku scales off Buuhan and Vegito. In the world tournament, Goku and Uub were relevant, meaning Base Goku at the end of Z is equal to Kid Buu and GT Goku trained with Uub for 5 years. 2. GT Goku destroyed Sugoroku space, which is implied to be infinite in size due to this quote by the overseers of Sugoroku space "wander in between dimensions forever" this implies infinite space and GT Goku destroyed it in base. This feat from GT Goku is better than shaking the infinite null realm that UI Sign Goku did. 3. GT takes place after the end of Z. Dbs takes place before the end of Z, and it eventually ends with Goku fighting Uub and being on equal footing with him that could automatically make GT characters stronger than Dbs characters by default based on just Uub but there are still arguments for Dbs winning. 4. To clarify this, Omega Shenron's energy was passively going to destroy the universe without Omega doing anything at all. Just him existing will end the universe. 5. Super Baby Vegeta's deathball shook the infinite space between dimensions and warped it changing it's color this feat is similar to what UI Sign Goku shaking the null realm and Toppo changing the look of the null realm. 6. SS3 Goku from Fusion Reborn and GT Goku shook the entire afterlife, which is quite impressive. 7. GT characters are a lot stronger than what most people think. I think it deserves more recognition.
2. Sugoroku isnt a infinite space, it is a subspace just like the room of spirit and time 3. This means nothing at all since GT and DB Super takes place in seperate timelimes, the GT Uub and Super Uub is not the same. 4. Passively destroying the universe isnt as big of a feat as literally destroying it instantly as punches collide. 6. Shaking the entire afterlife is impressive you're right. 7. I agree that GT characters are stronger than what most people think, however Super characters are stronger. (Later in super).
GT isn't stronger than Super. Because before super was even a thing and those feats happened they all of sudden don't retroactively become stronger. Since GT isn't canon for one and clearly takes place in a timeline where the events of Super didn't happen. So you takes Super feats in isolation. GT was strong at the time but we would be lying to ourselves if we said GT is stronger than the likes of Jiren, Broly, Moro, Black Frieza, Beast Gohan etc. Even if super ended the way Z ends like you said in 3, it doesn't make GT stronger because once again GT takes places in a hypothetical timeline WHERE SUPER DIDN'T HAPPEN.
@SSGFlare 1. Sugoroku space and the time chamber are 2 different places with different rules. Sugoroku space has a statement implying it's infinite in scale, whereas the time chamber was stated by Goku to be as big as Earth. 2. GT Uub and Dbs Uub get their power from the same character, which is Kid Buu. Their power can't be different because of this. The only major difference is when we see Uub in GT since he grows up. Dbs has to end off with Goku and Uub fighting for it to be canon to the end of Z, which GT is a sequel of. Since there can't be a difference in Uub's power, GT Uub would scale higher. GT and Dbs being in separate timelines is a very common theory, but it was never stated to be true. I'm not saying they occur in the same timeline, but you must remember there is no official statement about it. I mean, anything can happen. Maybe Dbs has a different version of the Z ending we don't know. 3. I never said Omega Shenron was stronger because of him corroding the Universe passively. Omega's ki is just showing how polluted it was it wasn't a show of power. SSG Goku and Beerus weren't going to destroy the universe instantly. It was going to take time for the Shockwaves to eventually destroy the universe it wasn't ever going to be instant. 4. GT vs Dbs is a very old argument with both having good points. There is no clear winner, especially since Dbs has multiple continuities.
@mastermario360 1. I never said GT was stronger, Dbs you can easily make an argument for both. 2. You, like most fans, don't know enough about DragonBall's canon to say what is canon and what isn't. It was stated nowhere that GT wasn't canon you like most assumed it without any proof to back it up. There are tons of canon continuities in DragonBall. If there is a "TRUE" canon, then it would be DragonBall's manga.
@@Ghost-Zilla12 You literally said because GT takes places after Super it “automatically” makes GT characters stronger. Your words not mine and yes I claim it to not be canon because Toriyama wasn’t really involved with GT.(I didn’t say at all some don’t do the “he drew some designs blah blah blah”) I don’t consider the TOEI only stuff canon it’s why Broly and Gogeta are NOW canon . Since most people agree that the Gogeta in GT is the one from fusion reborn with them mentioning they fused before I mean I think it’s very fair to say GT isn’t canon.
How is Cabba so strong that his base rivals early god ki goku? I don't remember ever seeing an explanation. This just looks like some fucked up powercreep to keep the show running. And the 2 sisters aswell are insanely strong. Is it a thing in their universe to have saiyans almost on par with gods in power?
@@greenhakai I just stop taking this Fandom seriously a while ago, like these fat smelly nerds are so bored of so little dragon ball anime content that they have to have "debates" like this fuckery.
absorbing the god escensce was most likely retconed because if it wasnt why can goku still turn into the red hair form if he absorbed that power, and just because if that was the case the already crecked scaling would get even worse
On the point of Frieza needing to turn Golden against Cabba and not Caulifla, I would like to note that the manga and anime do have pretty different continuities and (from what I know and have seen in the video) you brought the manga and anime counterparts for a same argument.
11:33 it says it right there in your face that Omega is only 10 times stronger than syn. Gogeta being stated to be dozens of times stronger than a normal ssj4 is just as legitimate, no need to cope and lie
To be fair, he specified that the power increase could perhaps be even more, though shouldn't be absurdly more than 10X. There's also the nature of Avent specifically talking about Potara fusion when talking about Gogeta VS Omega absorbing the other Dragon Balls, which aren't necessarily comparable in terms of fusion multipliers (i.e. Fusion Dance VS Potara, where the dance can be stronger than Omega's fusion in this case).
@@SuperKamiGuruu That's fair enough, just saying that Omega's statement doesn't prove Gogeta's multiplier wouldn't be A X B. The Perfect Files are much more reliable for that measurement.
one thing that is insane that makes ssj4 gogeta mega underrated scaling wise is gt goku well before the final arc eve destroyed an entire stated many times to be infinite dimension in BASE with a basic kamehameha. he had gotten hundreds of times stronger since then and not to mention the boost of fusion + super saiyan 4. cabba is just getting one shot
Tbh that’s a nothing feat considering god Goku was going to destroy the entire macrocosm (made of several infinite universes) and then that power becomes base power for Goku… let’s not forget that by the universe tournament Goku and Vegeta had gotten much stronger
@@daniiii888 gt goku in base effectively di almost the same thing with a completely basic kamehameha in his base form. then proceeded to get hundreds of times stronger + super saiyan 4 and then fusion and ssj4 on tyop of all that. no reason to believe gogeta wouldnt effortlessly be replicating that if you actually understand the scaling of the characters
@@brassbeast8582 The quote is "Wander the infinite space between dimensions forever" Sugorku Space itself was not stated to be infinite. Example 592784 of someone conveniently ignoring that Sugoroku Space was already collapsing, lessening the feat.
@@brassbeast8582 sugoroku space feat is much lesser feat than the one in battle of gods (which also applies to Goku’s base form) and guess what, Goku ALSO got hundreds of times stronger +ssj god + ssj blue. Look, GT is cool and all but super power scaling is complete wack as the writers had no effing clue how strong they were making these characters (hence translation errors like Dyspo only being light speed)
@@daniiii888 Godku was not going to destroy an entire macrocosm. Godku and Beerus *clashing fists* was going to *eventually* destroy the universe. That's a Super wank.
Hi! I'd like to talk about the Omega Shenron. He has clearly become stronger than 10 times. Because when Goku ssj4 used hamehamehaX10, Shin Shenron received absolutely no damage. Goku then increased the ccj4 multiplier by much more than 10 times.
i believe the concept of goku and vegeta absorbing the ssg ki on their base forms was discarded (not sure if it was misinformation, but i believe that is what most likely happened because goku and vegeta still can use regular SS forms, SSG, SSB, etc), but idk, i'm not into power scaling
I personally just think it doesn't make any sense. Sure, you could absorb God Ki into your base, fine, but SSG into base? Then why are they still able to use SSG?
And remember General Rildeo also stated that kid Goku increased his power 100 fold after transforming. So SSJ GT kid Goku was 100x Stronger then Majin Buu. Also when General Rildeo comes back from Hell MajUub one shot him like he qas fodder.
goku absorbed ssg in base, same for vegeta or else vegeta would be significantly weaker than goku, which is not true as shown in resurrection f when they are relative in ssb. beerus is stronger than even Black Frieza so neither can current goku or vegeta actually face Beerus lol.
I'd say a better feat to use in terms of saying Dragon Fist has a multiplier would be SS4 Goku being able to destroy Omega's body and force him to regenerate when right before Omega said his line about being 10 or more times stronger than before. He didn't kill Omega or unfuse him from the Dragon Balls like Gogeta did, but I still feel the feat is highly impressive. Omega was a bit off guard from Goku regaining his sight and instantly attacking him head on, granted, but that's nowhere near the nerfs Super 17 had. 18 spamming ki blasts was specifically to keep Super 17 in his absorbing pose, which left him completely open for a physical attack. There's also the discussion 18 has with Goku right after the fight where it's heavily implied and supported by the Perfect Files that the original 17 was holding himself back and being unable to truly hurt his sister, giving Super 17 an emotional nerf as well. The rest of the video is good, just a minor point :)
My god this people dont know how to scale. Base Cabba is no near ssj god level. Are you going to also say that the statement toriyama said about goku in god form from the movie beieng a 6, Beerus a 10 and whis a 15 is still canon? Of course not, it was retconned just the same way the concept of goku being as strong as a ssj god in base form, that was only canon until the universe 6 tournament with the return of the regular ssj and in the manga is more obvious because goku uses the god as a transformstion meaning he cant acces the power of ssj god unless he transform. This is not trying to downplay anyone its just facts and being coherent with the story.
Ok but the scaling makes no sense because gohan in super hasn’t changed at all and he tapped into the same power he did in the buu saga and went head on with goku in blue form but ssj4 was definitely stronger than that so I’m confused
@@ItsJombie sadly super scaling makes no sense as much as I like the show. But truth is android 17 and gohan make no sense being as strong as a being who is using SSB a transformation that amps up a transformation like SSG by 50 fold and being able to trade blows with said being. It’s all bad writing at the end of the day.
It just doesn’t make sense how BASE cabba, someone who hasn’t had NEARLY as much rigorous training as Vegeta, could match his base form. I still believe that if they were to both power up in base, Vegeta would be stronger, SOLELY because he has god ki and has a much higher ceiling than cabba
@@rytb09-gaming Ik that, I’ve watched the anime. I’m saying, it doesn’t make sense in terms of scaling for the show. There is no way in hell someone who hasn’t trained in NEARLY the same caliber as Vegeta, should be his base equal
@@Vaz-taeMuir Even if that’s the case, you really think that CABBA, should be equal to vegeta? Like think about it, Vegeta has fought three-four enemies that were all stronger than him, SURPASSED all of them, and then gained divine ki from training with literal gods and angels, yet this random saiyan can match that base power? That doesn’t make sense
Wasn't fusion stated to be A+B*100? I'm sure I saw that somewhere. Anyways, frieza had no time to loose against cabba, and his dialogues imply that he was flexing and humiliating cabba for the delight of his own ego and humour.
No it was always multiply, if it was addition then fusion would just be a 200 times multiplier, which isn’t even worth it. Just go super saiyan and you’re stronger than the fusion would be. The true gap in strength was never shown until super broly. Where base gogeta is stronger than ssj blue goku and vegeta. So the fusion dance gives a ssjblue amp.
The fact is that SSG level is a special level in the universes. It can not be a saiyan who in base would be stronger or equal to a SSG Goku, So Cabba base is like Goku DBZ Buu saga base. And this is say a lot because Goku trained with kaiosama, and after that in a 100G gravity. and in the hyperbolic chamber. and had many senkais, Then he reach near 70M power level in base. Cabba at best should have the same power or a bit more, maybe 100M in base.
7:47 I could be tottaly wrong on this since it's been a while since I've seen in it but I'm sure in the Frieza Saga when Frieza went to his 2nd form he only did it to flex, he went to his 3rd form because of Piccolo was giving him the hands and he went to his final form just to flex yet again on Vegeta so Frieza going Golden against Cabba could be considered as a flex
If u count gt u count heroes so simply that because theres alot of keys there 1. Ssb = ss4 2. Ui beats ss4 so that right there by itsself proves ss4 is up with ssb which cabba cant touch. Go ahead make an excuse for this. Its fact there is no way in hell cabba touches ss4 gogeta in any way u gonna count it count it all
The goku who used ssj4 in heroes is xeno goku, someone who is far stronger than the goku we see in gt. xeno goku is immortal and had his power boosted by the supreme Kai of time
8:16 that’s a huge difference you showing the anime and manga together, and both of those stories are two different scaling not the same scaling just want to point that out
The same fans who think cabba stands any chance against ssj4 gogeta, are the same fans who think the goku is a bad dad jokes are funny. They make the fandom look bad and stupid, like just stop, say the joke about this dumb shit once and move on.
Ssj4 on first appearance is equal to god on first appearance, goku in gt gets exponentially stronger between the baby and the shadow dragon arc, so it’s not a stretch to say he is ssgss levels of power by then. Most of the enemies goku fights in that saga are universal, or borderline multiversal considering Omega shenron stated he is able to destroy all the dimensions.
Omega just existing was threatening the entire dimension and was slowly rotting it with his extremely toxic Ki. Also, SS4 would be above Godku as Godku doesn't really have any feats that show him to be anymore powerful than a Buu Saga character.
Honestly this is probably the most fair scaling I've seen and no GT glazing as I'm sick and tired of people shoving that unimpressive feat of Sugoroku space . I agree mostly with everything except the Movies being somehow canon to the show it is simply impossible for the majority of movies to be canon in GT as they are too many inconsistencies and GT is only ever stated to be canon to the orginal DBZ anime and that's about it the movie villains that show up in the Super 17 arc are simply cameos heck none of them even have speaking lines as far as I can remember.
Sugoroku Space is an impressive feat, given that it was a casual Kamehameha in base. Also, I'd agree with the Movies statement you made, except Cooler, Fusion Reborn, and Wrath of the Dragon. First, Fifth Form Cooler appears out of Hell with everyone else, meaning both Movies would be canon to GT. Fusion Reborn I would say is canon to GT because Vegeta already knows the Fusion Dance to fuse into Gogeta. Wrath of the Dragon would be canon to GT because Trunks has the sword Tapion gave to him and Goku knows Dragon Fist. I also don't know where it was stated that GT was *only* canon to the DBZ anime. During the time of GT, people didn't really give a damn about canon and assumed if it was in anime format that it was canon to it. It'd also be pretty easy to work in *some* of the movies with the Z anime.
Ssj4 gogeta claps base cabba no doubt, but its just funny and goofy to say that cabba solos so cabba solos💀 Note: I could make an whole fucking 500 word essay about how gogeta demolishes cabba rn but im too lazy
Btw if you wanna see the mfing 500 word essay about how gogeta demolishes cabba: The reason is gt takes 5 years after dbz (not the 10 year timeskip part) And super takes 10 months after. Imagine what goku could achieve within 5 years? Like base goku from the start of gt is already stronger than ssj3 goku (im not sure but probably) So a lowball would be: gt base goku = 400x multiplier. Now stack that with ssj3 goku from baby saga, which might be 16 000x multiplier compared to ssj3 goku (might have done wrong calculating so sorry bout that) or if im gonna glaze it 24 000x. Now ssj4 is even GREATER considering he was playing with super baby 2 considered to ssj3 goku who was struggling (ain’t sure cuz im too lazy to watch gt though i have a lot of info from official websites and other materials) so ssj4 goku might be ssjg level. Then there’s the full power version against monke baby who got a 400x i think which he was evenly matched? I ain’t sure. But that would might make him ssjb level on full power. If you say im wrong, understandable. But if that’s not good enough shadow dragon saga ssj4 goku and Vegeta is EVEN STRONGER than the full power version I think so maybe then they are ssjb level. Then they FUSE over it and becoming gogeta who played with omega compared to ssj4 goku and vegeta who were struggling. Conclusion: He might not be ui level but atleast ssjb gogeta level. Note: this is a meme so don’t take this seriously that much i just wanted to give some info. So yeah. Im out
Avent you are a smart guy and iv fully agreed with nearly all of your content thus far. But i want you to think about the God form absorbed into base statement. Why does everyone read that as base fork equal God form. When in reality all it means is Base form absorbed it so now he no longer needs a ritual. Goku became stronger upon absorbing the ki cuz his body is pushing itself to continue fighting. This is not a going forward thing, this was only a last ditch effort kinda thing.
When Vegeta said that Cabba was equal to him, he was just referring to the suppressed level of power he was using at the time. The TOP makes it explicitly clear that Cabba is nowhere near base Vegeta, as base Vegeta one shots Mona with a ki blast, while Super Saiyan Cabba was got dogwalked by her. Final Form Freiza, who was shown to be on par with base Goku also demolished Cabba with ease, and a weakened base Goku could clash fists and knock around Super Saiyan Caulifla, who scales above Cabba. Caulifla's performance against opponents like Napapa also prove Cabba is nowhere near Battle of Gods levels of strength, as she had to put in a lot of power and effort to overpower him. Napapa was shown to struggle against Basil's attacks, and Basil as shown to be an ant compared to Fat Buu in the Zen Exhibition matches. Cabba is within the Buu Saga tiers of power at best, meaning he gets no diffed by SSJ4 Gogeta.
Cabba scales to low multiversal to straight multiversal. Baby was able to affect the Limbo Realm which is stated to be beyond the concepts of space and time, and is also separated from the entire Universe 7 Macrocasm. Baby being able to affect a space/realm of this caliber makes his AP outerversal. Since he did it with his first revenge death ball. So yeah Cabba rn is around low multiversal but Gogeta scales layers into outerversal in terms of AP and durability absolutely shitting on anything super characters have done so far. Base Gogeta would demolish Cabba. Even Majuub would fold him with no difficulty.
@@ItsB1998no there is a difference between their two ssj forms cabba just unlocked his which changes the form by quite a bit as it makes it harder for him to control and he ends up wasting energy while Vegeta is a master of the ssj form and he wasted nothing
@@Nathan24634 Cabba not having the better stamina controlled SSJ doesn't matter. You're implying he started off even with SSJ Vegeta and then massively got weaker just from using the form. If SSJ worked like that, Goku would have lost against Frieza when using SSJ
Im pretty surprised to see the correct outcome ngl , pretty good vid one thing ill add is the gt perfect file is mistranslated and is says his finger is dozens of times ss4 and you are also correct on fusion being different than it is in super glad you clocked that
13:21 This is slightly incorrect. Out of all the original 13 DBZ movies, only 4 of them are actually canon to the anime continuity. Those 4 movies being Dead Zone, Cooler’s Revenge, Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon. UPDATE: All original 13 DBZ movies (as well as the Plan to eradicate the Saiyans OVA) are canon to the anime continuity.
@@biohazardbin Dead zone is canon to GT because of the Garlic Jr saga in the Z anime, which is based on the events of that movie. The Garlic Jr saga is also referenced in the Baby saga.
Real Dragon Ball fans no that not all battles are won off sole power alone. Dont matter if he’s more powerful in any way Gogeta would stilll mop the floor with Cabba in any form💯
@Toddles yeah u don't believe ssj4 gogeta is on par with the beerus feat too, shenron was going to destroy the universe overtime not in quick succession like the beerus feat.
@@peterb1353 That statement was from Godku and Beerus clashing fists, which doesn't mean shit bc neither of them have that kind of power individually and were both exerting themselves. While Omega's Ki being so toxic it was rotting the entire dimension isn't really a feat of power, it does show that him simply existing would kill everything, so he's at the very least dangerous enough that Gogeta had to turn his Minus Energy Ball into a Spirit Bomb.
@@Toddles This wouldn't make sense as, at the very least, there are 3 movies canon to GT. You also have to understand that during the time of GT's airing, nobody gave a shit about canon and assumed if it was in the anime format, it was canon to the Z anime. This "canon" debate didn't come around until BoG. Also, if we're talking about non-canon feats, you'll have to choose 1 out of the 3 canons that Super has for any Godku feats.
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Cabba can’t beat SSJ4 Gogeta in any form, here’s why. It’s common sense Goku absorbed the SSJG form into his other forms. Now we also see him put up a better fight in SSJ with the absorbed power than he did in SSJG against Beerus. And it’s believed by almost everyone that SSJG and SSJ4 have the same multipliers and are equal. If we look at Cabba, he could barely even land a blow against ssj Vegeta when he was told to go all out. Vegeta was clearly just training him so he was not going all out. There’s also the scene in the tournament of power where he’s getting beat up in his base form by base frieza. Who in his Golden form is as strong as SSJB Goku, take away the multiplier and he’s still pretty much equal to Goku. Meaning Cabba couldn’t even beat SSJ4 Gogeta in ssj3.
Friendly reminder Cabba only has super saiyan grade 1, which is 50x. The reason Vegeta manhandled him so easily is because he has access to Super Saiyan grade 4, which is directly stated in the cell saga to be vastly superior, likely being close to 75x. Unless you somehow think Vegeta hasn't mastered super saiyan by now, in which case get the fuck out. No, a Vegeta with a superior super saiyan form beating cabba does NOT mean he suddenly STOPS scaling to base vegeta. Vegeta, IN HIS OWN HEAD, OUTRIGHT STATES THEY ARE EQUAL. as in, NOT OUT LOUD, NOT SAYING THIS TO SOMEONE ELSE, HIS OWN MIND. Unless you're so mentally ill to think he's LYING TO HIMSELF, cabba's base scales to Vegeta's, which is already enough to stomp 95% of GT, including Omega. And theb when he transforms, he slams Gogeta because Gogeta is only stated to be tens to dozens of times stronger than SSJ4 Goku in the gt perfect files. Omega is stated to be 10x that goku, and the wording used means SSJ4 Gogeta cannot be any greater than 100x stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Someone who loses to base Cabba due to a lack of feats, as any feats he does have that put him at "universal" can easily be debunked with anti-scaling. The moment Cabba goes super saiyan, he has better scaling so he just outright wins. And if we're using top cabba, ssj2 slams even harder as he's got a stronger base form, with a bigger multiplier.
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@@xeratovildan9871 pretty sure it’s stated that mastering Ssj did not boost the multiplier. Plus it doesn’t matter, it’s just a scale on who has the bigger power level as it’s always been. Vegeta having done more training and having God power would clearly be stronger.
@@xeratovildan9871 now it’s clear not only that ssj vegeta was holding back against an enraged ssj Cabba, but he was just training him. It’s actually so obvious he was training him to where it’s actually said in the manga. Let’s take it back to the tournament of power. Goku and Frieza are equal or around each others levels. We know this from Resurrection F saga and seeing when they KO each other in the episode before the T.O.P. Yet Cabba was getting torn up, both in base form keep in mind, to the point he’s forced to ssj or I think ssj2 and still gets eradicated by Golden Frieza.
The fact that a weaker base gt goku during the super 17 arc shook all of hell in base form by powering up which movies goku needed ssj 3 and was overall weaker plus the fact gt kid goku broke through a dimension with his kamehameha and he only gets much stronger getting ssj4, full power ssj 4 from the ritual similar to ssjgod and on top of that vegeta during gt is relative (excluding ssj3) and omega just existing could destroy the universe imagine a ssj4 gogeta who is way above that. Yeah gt is cracked man though the fact this debate even exists is telling supers scaling is the most nonsensical in the series
I think people doubt how busted ssj4 is. It isn’t a number buff. it brings you to your peak past present and future. And gt goku alone is a busted ass character. and to this day we still don’t know how strong ssj4 gogeta is. he said himself he could beat omega with one finger and omega is universal. it kinda makes sense how broken they are because it was supposed to be the end of dragon ball
maybe i think frieza was just playing with ssj2 cabba in my opinion, we all know ruthless frieza can be and there are sometimes he just toys with his opponents .
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Objection omeg shenron was never able to destroy the universe he said the negative energy would decay the universe something like that not destroy and we have seen that completely overpowering an opponent in dragon ball can be done just by being at least 2 times stronger we have seen this in the namek arc so gogeta is at least 2 times stronger and not 50 times like people say
Great video, but one correction. Frieza wasn't forced to use gold. He used it for fun, frieza used his golden form as a reflection of hate for the ssj form. So, he noticed he would use it many times when he didn't even need to use it. Not to mention at base frieza wasn't trying and tanked his shots. Meaning he was at the least 2.5x stronger than cabba in base. Even with the 20 than 50x multiplier. He used gold to tank and then proceeded to play around with him. We have no evidence that gold frieza even used a large chunk of his power to ring out cabba. Since he proceeded to torture him.
So, you don't know what you're talking about here. Super has two universes that were going to be immediately destroyed by the clash between Goku and Beerus, Heaven and the Mortal Realm. Gogeta can beseveral times stronger than that and it still wouldn't scale as Cabba and everyone else had surpassed that level in the tournament of power.
You also can't use the movies for GT, as Goku stating that Buu was the strongest character (with no implication of growth in power over time as Kid Buu)defeats the effectiveness of your argument. As even in the anime his largest feats were shown to be Multi-Galaxy, if that. It was implied (emphasis on implied) that he could destroy heaven, but we have no clue of the time frame and Heaven is an infinite realm.
So at the start, base GT Kid Goku would be at Galaxy+, if that. While Goku in Super would already surpass Multi-Universal (2 Universes) as God Goku and have absorbed said power. Nof only that, the punches were casual. The shockwave was made due to a lack of control on Goku's part and the destruction was more immeduate, meaning an actual, focused attack would bare more destructive capacity.
Tnis just magnifies the ability of Vegeta and Goku who also have Blue which, just like Gogeta are several times more powerful than their base selves due to magnifying the power of SSJ's 50 times multiplier.
Cabba was shown to have surpassed Blue (from the Black Arc) in the tournament of power (but of course the series inflates power levelsseveral times over).
Gogeta, basically isn't stronger than Cabba, youd have to prove he had the actual power to destroy 2 universes in an instant, as the minus ball was going to corrode the universe over time, even still there's no estimation that it would be outright, otherwise, it would have been.
If you can provide that, I'll concede, but several characters have better hax than strongerfighters, doesn't mean they'll win. There were multiple i stances of Cabba and Vegeta fighting, that Cabba had Vegeta on the back foot, even in his newly obtained SSJ.
Vegeta didn't need to lie either, he says, in both the anime and manga, Cabba was as strong as him.
Watch Dragon ball Heroes please. It kills me that you give out inaccurate information to people. DB Heroes is made by Japan and it tells you an accurate power scaling. Goku Xeno is a TIMETRAVELER. He is from the end of GT😒😒😒😒
Please cabba i need this!!! youre kinda too strong..
Real
I see all these short ahh under 6’0 head ahh kid ahh kids talking about how cabba beats Gogeta like buddy I will knock some sense into you, watch the saiyan scholar’s take on this debate. His channel is saiyan scholar.
my fans are struggling to back me up...
I need to prove them right!
krillin dogs cabba because krillin was able to keep up with goku ssjb
maybe it is time I make a GT vid cus this is getting ridiculous
Yea you should
Get it done bro @officialdivine 😎
But then again ssjblue is godki that fusion isn’t touching that lol 😆 godki just like vegeta to Goku even with ultra ego destroyer power angelic power is way stronger and there is no end to how powerful they can get especially since they cant fight for real lol but that is the comparison with ssjblue compared too a fusion that fusion is strong but remember how fast they defused lol
You ain't gon do shit xd. @officialdivine..
Do it plz, GT downplay is crazy 😭
Bro missed alot of things about the GT scaling and still managed to make SSJ4 Gogeta a winner
It was meant to be the end of the franchise. I wouldn’t be suprised if they can go further up in super.
no way this is a real discussion I thought people were memeing 💀
It's both
The Fandom is losing their minds man 😂😂😂
Fr@@thegoat5484
If the Future Gohan was weak compare to DBZ(Android and Buu saga) our timeline characters then some people thinks GT timeline is weak compare to DBS.
Its both. The more serious question is:
Does Base Cabba beat BoG God Goku?
Fun fact: SSJ4 Gogeta pimp smacks Cabba thousands of times over before Cabba can even finish his thinking process.
bog ssg goku pimp slaps ss4 gogeta, so why can't cabba? he was equal to a vegeta who already unlocked ssb and his base should be > bog ssg goku
@@aymanriki1018 not a factual or reliable statement. Its literally the only thing you're able to compete cabba with ssj4 gogeta with and even then he still folds if you account this to be true. Vegeta clearly takes pride in his own kind hence why he smiles and even lectures cabba. Its clear he wasnt trying when he was testing cabbas skill. Its people like you who think of such little statements as true but then deny other large statements in databooks and call it a 'mistranslation'
@@ReboundedTOG using vegeta smiling as a way to downplay cabba is actually insane, we see in the manga, vegeta SWEATS while fighting in base against cabba and both roshi and krillin are amazed by cabba's fighting. vegeta assumed he can go ss, which is why he was happy fighting him because he already believed base to base they are relative not just cuz of his pride. u think he had "pride" fighting broly? he didn't gaf
@aymanriki1018 it isnt 'insane' cabba didnt even know how to turn ssj. Using that as a way to prove your point is actually stupid. Vegeta sweating is a dumb excuse. Vegeta was already fatigued from fighting big metal dude, who's temperatures were boiling vegeta alive (im pretty sure thats why we sweat in the first place). He got smacked into another fight with his same race, so logically there shouldn't be major power gap within the same training levels. Vegeta prior to this, had 6 months of daily training with whis, cabba had none of that. And you see it sensical that cabba can be compared to vegeta with half a year of angel training. So you are seriously going to ignore the implications of that? If vegeta assumed he could go ssj, wouldnt you think he has pride in the fact he is a saiyan? Vegeta even shows respect for the fact that cabba uses his same stance and can use galick gun, thats why he has pride in him, because they're so alike. Cabba is one of the few people vegeta actually has conversation with and i dont think he has given a solemn oath to anyone else except for cabba throughout db. What are you talking about??? 'which is why he was happy fighting him' that just proves my point. He has pride in the fact he is a saiyan which is why he wants to fight him. Now why on earth would you possibly compare cabba to broly? Broly was hardly becoming of a saiyan to vegeta. He was more of a rampid dog causing chaos everywhere, unbecoming of the saiyan vegeta expects.
@aymanriki1018 note: sweating in the manga is used excessively, you can even see vegeta sweating in saiyan arc when goku is fighting nappa, yes vegeta sweating while being stood on the side
It's ironic that the same fans that claim "only feats count, not statements of power" swear by Cabba winning when the only evidence we have to go by is Vegeta's statement that they're "equals". Because without that statement, everything else falls apart.
Vegeta wouldn't lie bout that tho ts y that statement is used
So them fighting isn’t a feat? When has gogeta shown to fight someone as strong as Super Vegeta?
@ghostcrow2913 but people are assuming vegeta is going all out in base. To say that is to say that base CABBA is equal to or slightly stronger than BoG Ss god goku... are we really saying that? There's just no way. Equal to him at the level of power he was putting out.
@@SomniumBlaze He’s saying to himself that cabba is equal in base. Why would Vegeta of all people lie?
@@Jsipki265 uhhh.. no diffing omega shenron who just by existing was doing a feat better than the entirety of dbs? easily scaling past baby vegeta who made a move that affected a space that transcended the fabric of time itself (stated in databooks, outerversal)
If someone tells me in my face that Goatgeta 🐐 loses against Caba I will actually Just beat them up 😤.
Based
@@Codethebestmegaman 😎🤝🗿
What is wrong with you???
Let us join in on the fun and gang up on him bro cant have all the fun by yourself smh
@@Dutch8289 yeah jump me!!
Nah cabba no diffs
If i didn’t know what 5 x 4 is
Kakarot we need to fuse this is base Cabba we're up against!!!
Cabba ？ Only a weak trash
Imagine breaking out a Bazooka to kill a fly.
@@realtime8892kakarot we need to eat Taco Bell
This is a fly we are up against
@@NeoFlonx GET THE CRUNCHWRAPS!!!!!!! THERES A BATHROOM IN NEED OF DEFEATING!!!!!!!!
You do realize base goku slams cabba?
Gogeta turns cabba into dog food
Not even close kid
@@Gamer-wo1st "kid" 11 year old ragebaiter detected: opinion invalidated
@@eduardodavidsuarezluna4337 you're opinion don't mean shit GT rider
@@Gamer-wo1st uhhh cry about it ig?? not really that deep man
@@eduardodavidsuarezluna4337 do research before talking
Gogeta fodderizes
Nah fodderizes is disrespectful
He literally doesn't
@@SSGFlareYou can’t be serious…
@@kingades1013 no he literally does not
@SSGFlare Sound like you are being bias towards Gt
Ssj4 Gogeta wins, more experience, faster and just knows what to do.
This kind of pissed me off that this is a conversation
Thank you cuz like why do people do this like bro it’s just dumb
Amount of people that think GT characters are on the level of super in terms of power is baffling
Shut the hell up stupid. Nobody cares about you being pissed off
@@YATL45VA Because some people are funny (the sigmas) the people who hate on GT and take it seriously (Bad) and the people who take this as an offense (I understand but bro its a meme)
@@charliewilliams4029 They are, watch the anime. (Plus Omega almost destroyed Universe 7 (and kaioshin realm, heaven, and hell) by standing (with minus energy), like with ssg's puches)
7:44 why are yall convoluting anime cabba fight vs frieza to manga caulifla fighting frieza whwn clearly the ToP is vastly different from manga to anime with very different scaling, caulifla in the manga doesn't even unlock ssj2 while ssj2 caulifla exist in the anime plus anime caulifla never fights anime frieza 🤦♀️
7:48 in dbz chapter 109, xenomorph freeza says, "HEH HEH HEH... IT WOULD BE EASY TO POUND YOU ALL TO JELLY JUST THE WAY I AM NOW..."
"BUT LET ME GIVE YOU THE HONOR OF GLIMPSING THE ULTIMATE POWER...MORE FEARSOME THAN DEATH ITSELF!"
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Okay, I see people do not truly realize GT's scaling, so I'll address some things.
1. Base GT Goku scales off Buuhan and Vegito. In the world tournament, Goku and Uub were relevant, meaning Base Goku at the end of Z is equal to Kid Buu and GT Goku trained with Uub for 5 years.
2. GT Goku destroyed Sugoroku space, which is implied to be infinite in size due to this quote by the overseers of Sugoroku space "wander in between dimensions forever" this implies infinite space and GT Goku destroyed it in base. This feat from GT Goku is better than shaking the infinite null realm that UI Sign Goku did.
3. GT takes place after the end of Z. Dbs takes place before the end of Z, and it eventually ends with Goku fighting Uub and being on equal footing with him that could automatically make GT characters stronger than Dbs characters by default based on just Uub but there are still arguments for Dbs winning.
4. To clarify this, Omega Shenron's energy was passively going to destroy the universe without Omega doing anything at all. Just him existing will end the universe.
5. Super Baby Vegeta's deathball shook the infinite space between dimensions and warped it changing it's color this feat is similar to what UI Sign Goku shaking the null realm and Toppo changing the look of the null realm.
6. SS3 Goku from Fusion Reborn and GT Goku shook the entire afterlife, which is quite impressive.
7. GT characters are a lot stronger than what most people think. I think it deserves more recognition.
2. Sugoroku isnt a infinite space, it is a subspace just like the room of spirit and time
3. This means nothing at all since GT and DB Super takes place in seperate timelimes, the GT Uub and Super Uub is not the same.
4. Passively destroying the universe isnt as big of a feat as literally destroying it instantly as punches collide.
6. Shaking the entire afterlife is impressive you're right.
7. I agree that GT characters are stronger than what most people think, however Super characters are stronger. (Later in super).
GT isn't stronger than Super. Because before super was even a thing and those feats happened they all of sudden don't retroactively become stronger. Since GT isn't canon for one and clearly takes place in a timeline where the events of Super didn't happen. So you takes Super feats in isolation. GT was strong at the time but we would be lying to ourselves if we said GT is stronger than the likes of Jiren, Broly, Moro, Black Frieza, Beast Gohan etc. Even if super ended the way Z ends like you said in 3, it doesn't make GT stronger because once again GT takes places in a hypothetical timeline WHERE SUPER DIDN'T HAPPEN.
@SSGFlare 1. Sugoroku space and the time chamber are 2 different places with different rules. Sugoroku space has a statement implying it's infinite in scale, whereas the time chamber was stated by Goku to be as big as Earth.
2. GT Uub and Dbs Uub get their power from the same character, which is Kid Buu. Their power can't be different because of this. The only major difference is when we see Uub in GT since he grows up. Dbs has to end off with Goku and Uub fighting for it to be canon to the end of Z, which GT is a sequel of. Since there can't be a difference in Uub's power, GT Uub would scale higher. GT and Dbs being in separate timelines is a very common theory, but it was never stated to be true. I'm not saying they occur in the same timeline, but you must remember there is no official statement about it. I mean, anything can happen. Maybe Dbs has a different version of the Z ending we don't know.
3. I never said Omega Shenron was stronger because of him corroding the Universe passively. Omega's ki is just showing how polluted it was it wasn't a show of power. SSG Goku and Beerus weren't going to destroy the universe instantly. It was going to take time for the Shockwaves to eventually destroy the universe it wasn't ever going to be instant.
4. GT vs Dbs is a very old argument with both having good points. There is no clear winner, especially since Dbs has multiple continuities.
@mastermario360
1. I never said GT was stronger, Dbs you can easily make an argument for both.
2. You, like most fans, don't know enough about DragonBall's canon to say what is canon and what isn't. It was stated nowhere that GT wasn't canon you like most assumed it without any proof to back it up. There are tons of canon continuities in DragonBall. If there is a "TRUE" canon, then it would be DragonBall's manga.
@@Ghost-Zilla12 You literally said because GT takes places after Super it “automatically” makes GT characters stronger. Your words not mine and yes I claim it to not be canon because Toriyama wasn’t really involved with GT.(I didn’t say at all some don’t do the “he drew some designs blah blah blah”) I don’t consider the TOEI only stuff canon it’s why Broly and Gogeta are NOW canon . Since most people agree that the Gogeta in GT is the one from fusion reborn with them mentioning they fused before I mean I think it’s very fair to say GT isn’t canon.
Why is this even a debate? Cabba couldnt handle a super saiyan 2 vegeta
That same ssj2 vegeta would no diff all of gt
@@quaydon Again, where is your evidence for this? Just yapping.
But gogeta did beat the crap out of shenron lol I almost forgot about that whooping 😂
Lmao this proves how strong meme gang is
Jordan sound like he forces his voice and says “bro my voice is just deep”
How is Cabba so strong that his base rivals early god ki goku? I don't remember ever seeing an explanation. This just looks like some fucked up powercreep to keep the show running. And the 2 sisters aswell are insanely strong. Is it a thing in their universe to have saiyans almost on par with gods in power?
As the self-proclaimed ambassador of this community; we KNOW Cabba slams, but we will NEVER admit it
Jk Gogeta Oneshots
Gogeta does not one shot 😂💀😊
@@XD-Matrix00Bro its a meme why you think its fax😭
he doesnt😊
@@Toddles pls don’t take this seriously its a meme
@@greenhakai I just stop taking this Fandom seriously a while ago, like these fat smelly nerds are so bored of so little dragon ball anime content that they have to have "debates" like this fuckery.
absorbing the god escensce was most likely retconed because if it wasnt why can goku still turn into the red hair form if he absorbed that power, and just because if that was the case the already crecked scaling would get even worse
Idiot
First people made debate SS2 Gohan vs Cabba, second SS1 Vegeta and SS1 Gogeta vs Cabba and this crap💀🗿
I mean if he’s really super Sayan god level it’s reasonable
On the point of Frieza needing to turn Golden against Cabba and not Caulifla, I would like to note that the manga and anime do have pretty different continuities and (from what I know and have seen in the video) you brought the manga and anime counterparts for a same argument.
11:33 it says it right there in your face that Omega is only 10 times stronger than syn. Gogeta being stated to be dozens of times stronger than a normal ssj4 is just as legitimate, no need to cope and lie
To be fair, he specified that the power increase could perhaps be even more, though shouldn't be absurdly more than 10X. There's also the nature of Avent specifically talking about Potara fusion when talking about Gogeta VS Omega absorbing the other Dragon Balls, which aren't necessarily comparable in terms of fusion multipliers (i.e. Fusion Dance VS Potara, where the dance can be stronger than Omega's fusion in this case).
Exactly. Whenever the GT perfect files work in his favour its correct but when it goes against his agenda its "false"
@@creeperman1295 it's safe to say GT itself ignored that altogether with the gt perfect files
@@SuperKamiGuruu That's fair enough, just saying that Omega's statement doesn't prove Gogeta's multiplier wouldn't be A X B. The Perfect Files are much more reliable for that measurement.
one thing that is insane that makes ssj4 gogeta mega underrated scaling wise is gt goku well before the final arc eve destroyed an entire stated many times to be infinite dimension in BASE with a basic kamehameha. he had gotten hundreds of times stronger since then and not to mention the boost of fusion + super saiyan 4. cabba is just getting one shot
Tbh that’s a nothing feat considering god Goku was going to destroy the entire macrocosm (made of several infinite universes) and then that power becomes base power for Goku… let’s not forget that by the universe tournament Goku and Vegeta had gotten much stronger
@@daniiii888 gt goku in base effectively di almost the same thing with a completely basic kamehameha in his base form. then proceeded to get hundreds of times stronger + super saiyan 4 and then fusion and ssj4 on tyop of all that. no reason to believe gogeta wouldnt effortlessly be replicating that if you actually understand the scaling of the characters
@@brassbeast8582 The quote is "Wander the infinite space between dimensions forever" Sugorku Space itself was not stated to be infinite. Example 592784 of someone conveniently ignoring that Sugoroku Space was already collapsing, lessening the feat.
@@brassbeast8582 sugoroku space feat is much lesser feat than the one in battle of gods (which also applies to Goku’s base form) and guess what, Goku ALSO got hundreds of times stronger +ssj god + ssj blue. Look, GT is cool and all but super power scaling is complete wack as the writers had no effing clue how strong they were making these characters (hence translation errors like Dyspo only being light speed)
@@daniiii888 Godku was not going to destroy an entire macrocosm. Godku and Beerus *clashing fists* was going to *eventually* destroy the universe. That's a Super wank.
Hi! I'd like to talk about the Omega Shenron. He has clearly become stronger than 10 times. Because when Goku ssj4 used hamehamehaX10, Shin Shenron received absolutely no damage. Goku then increased the ccj4 multiplier by much more than 10 times.
i believe the concept of goku and vegeta absorbing the ssg ki on their base forms was discarded (not sure if it was misinformation, but i believe that is what most likely happened because goku and vegeta still can use regular SS forms, SSG, SSB, etc), but idk, i'm not into power scaling
I personally just think it doesn't make any sense. Sure, you could absorb God Ki into your base, fine, but SSG into base? Then why are they still able to use SSG?
@@biohazardbinhe didnt do either lol which shows how dumb this fanbase is. His body simply adapted to that level of power(almost, not entirely)
And remember General Rildeo also stated that kid Goku increased his power 100 fold after transforming. So SSJ GT kid Goku was 100x Stronger then Majin Buu. Also when General Rildeo comes back from Hell MajUub one shot him like he qas fodder.
The stupid ass debate why do people just say things 🤦♂️
Say shit cuz it's funny 🤪
cabba solos gt
Cuz they bored lmao everyone knows cabba is stronger no debate is not even a meme it's more of a battle of biased versus truth
@@tyriqueadams4326 he just does not LOL
@@Hezva okay so prove why ss4 gogeta > ssg goku against beerus?
even when goku achieved ssj god who faced beerus saying cabba is stringer than that is wild.
cabba can't face beerus
goku absorbed ssg in base, same for vegeta or else vegeta would be significantly weaker than goku, which is not true as shown in resurrection f when they are relative in ssb. beerus is stronger than even Black Frieza so neither can current goku or vegeta actually face Beerus lol.
I'd say a better feat to use in terms of saying Dragon Fist has a multiplier would be SS4 Goku being able to destroy Omega's body and force him to regenerate when right before Omega said his line about being 10 or more times stronger than before. He didn't kill Omega or unfuse him from the Dragon Balls like Gogeta did, but I still feel the feat is highly impressive.
Omega was a bit off guard from Goku regaining his sight and instantly attacking him head on, granted, but that's nowhere near the nerfs Super 17 had. 18 spamming ki blasts was specifically to keep Super 17 in his absorbing pose, which left him completely open for a physical attack. There's also the discussion 18 has with Goku right after the fight where it's heavily implied and supported by the Perfect Files that the original 17 was holding himself back and being unable to truly hurt his sister, giving Super 17 an emotional nerf as well.
The rest of the video is good, just a minor point :)
My god this people dont know how to scale. Base Cabba is no near ssj god level. Are you going to also say that the statement toriyama said about goku in god form from the movie beieng a 6, Beerus a 10 and whis a 15 is still canon? Of course not, it was retconned just the same way the concept of goku being as strong as a ssj god in base form, that was only canon until the universe 6 tournament with the return of the regular ssj and in the manga is more obvious because goku uses the god as a transformstion meaning he cant acces the power of ssj god unless he transform. This is not trying to downplay anyone its just facts and being coherent with the story.
Saiyan Beyond God is retconned
Ok but the scaling makes no sense because gohan in super hasn’t changed at all and he tapped into the same power he did in the buu saga and went head on with goku in blue form but ssj4 was definitely stronger than that so I’m confused
Super power scaling is retarded asf
Gohan did change. He trained with Piccolo in the series, which was why he was able to hang with SSB Goku and fight in the tournament of power.
@@ItsJombie sadly super scaling makes no sense as much as I like the show. But truth is android 17 and gohan make no sense being as strong as a being who is using SSB a transformation that amps up a transformation like SSG by 50 fold and being able to trade blows with said being. It’s all bad writing at the end of the day.
It just doesn’t make sense how BASE cabba, someone who hasn’t had NEARLY as much rigorous training as Vegeta, could match his base form. I still believe that if they were to both power up in base, Vegeta would be stronger, SOLELY because he has god ki and has a much higher ceiling than cabba
Vegeta literally thinks "we are evenly matched" why would he be lying to himself that hard?
@@rytb09-gamingBut base vegeta wasn’t stronger than ssj4 gogeta
In universe 6 saiyans were free to do what they want they trained
@@rytb09-gaming Ik that, I’ve watched the anime. I’m saying, it doesn’t make sense in terms of scaling for the show. There is no way in hell someone who hasn’t trained in NEARLY the same caliber as Vegeta, should be his base equal
@@Vaz-taeMuir Even if that’s the case, you really think that CABBA, should be equal to vegeta? Like think about it, Vegeta has fought three-four enemies that were all stronger than him, SURPASSED all of them, and then gained divine ki from training with literal gods and angels, yet this random saiyan can match that base power? That doesn’t make sense
Bro, used the panel in the manga when Goku DOESN'T went back to base form to say "Goku went back to base form ☝🏻🤓".
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Wasn't fusion stated to be A+B*100? I'm sure I saw that somewhere. Anyways, frieza had no time to loose against cabba, and his dialogues imply that he was flexing and humiliating cabba for the delight of his own ego and humour.
No it was always multiply, if it was addition then fusion would just be a 200 times multiplier, which isn’t even worth it. Just go super saiyan and you’re stronger than the fusion would be. The true gap in strength was never shown until super broly. Where base gogeta is stronger than ssj blue goku and vegeta. So the fusion dance gives a ssjblue amp.
@@thekingofbel6511 so it would be an ((a+b(full power)*100) and a plus?
@@jetragnarok2075 no, more like (AXB)x100
That kid cabba can go ssj2 i better keep my ass on gt
- Gogeta ssj4
"That SSJ4 form is too strong even if I reach SSJ3 I better keep my ass on super"
- SSJ2 Soyba.
@@Web720 fraudgeta ain't beating Cabba
We Saiyans have no limits 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️
That bum cant even beat a background character @mondongo6519
@@Web720 SSJ4 midgeta aint touching base GOATBA
@@mondongo6519 same ssj2 that got beat up by base frieza
The fact is that SSG level is a special level in the universes. It can not be a saiyan who in base would be stronger or equal to a SSG Goku, So Cabba base is like Goku DBZ Buu saga base. And this is say a lot because Goku trained with kaiosama, and after that in a 100G gravity. and in the hyperbolic chamber. and had many senkais, Then he reach near 70M power level in base. Cabba at best should have the same power or a bit more, maybe 100M in base.
Gogeta neggs with no difficulty, base gt goku also negs ssj2 cabba, base gogeta after cabba does a final kamehameha kaioken x 100- 🗿
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@@XD-Matrix00nah uh
@@XD-Matrix00ssj 7272 gt gogeta solos 😡😡😡
Fr people don’t focus on the cosmology in GT
The reality is, Dragon ball stopped making any sense at freeza saga.
The fact that there’s people that actually take this debate seriously is what makes this so funny to me😂😂😂😂
7:47 I could be tottaly wrong on this since it's been a while since I've seen in it but I'm sure in the Frieza Saga when Frieza went to his 2nd form he only did it to flex, he went to his 3rd form because of Piccolo was giving him the hands and he went to his final form just to flex yet again on Vegeta so Frieza going Golden against Cabba could be considered as a flex
Perfectly explained , a lot of people forget GT has insane scalings as well
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If u count gt u count heroes so simply that because theres alot of keys there 1. Ssb = ss4 2. Ui beats ss4 so that right there by itsself proves ss4 is up with ssb which cabba cant touch. Go ahead make an excuse for this. Its fact there is no way in hell cabba touches ss4 gogeta in any way u gonna count it count it all
The goku who used ssj4 in heroes is xeno goku, someone who is far stronger than the goku we see in gt. xeno goku is immortal and had his power boosted by the supreme Kai of time
I agree that SS4 Gogeta solos but also saying that GT = Heroes is absurd.
His Big Bang Kamehameha may cause me a bit of trouble
But would you lose
Nah I’d win.
@@CloudyK1ngNo you lose lol stay mad 🤓
@@rainerspin4340 sure buddy
Good stuff my guy … good stuff
Great video!
Love your content ❤❤❤❤
Yes. New video this Thursday
8:16 that’s a huge difference you showing the anime and manga together, and both of those stories are two different scaling not the same scaling just want to point that out
Finally someone actually puts facts in their analysis instead of just saying that cabba is stronger for views. You did justice to GOATGETA.
Remember Gt is canon to the db movies and has the db movie feats which are pretty CRZY
The same fans who think cabba stands any chance against ssj4 gogeta, are the same fans who think the goku is a bad dad jokes are funny. They make the fandom look bad and stupid, like just stop, say the joke about this dumb shit once and move on.
Ssj4 on first appearance is equal to god on first appearance, goku in gt gets exponentially stronger between the baby and the shadow dragon arc, so it’s not a stretch to say he is ssgss levels of power by then. Most of the enemies goku fights in that saga are universal, or borderline multiversal considering Omega shenron stated he is able to destroy all the dimensions.
Just no, ssg goku bog>>>>>>>>>>>>shadow dragon saga ssj4 goku
@@quaydon Where is your evidence for this? That's just actually headcanon. I've never seen Godku or Blueku ever get a W.
Omega just existing was threatening the entire dimension and was slowly rotting it with his extremely toxic Ki. Also, SS4 would be above Godku as Godku doesn't really have any feats that show him to be anymore powerful than a Buu Saga character.
@@biohazardbinleast biased Gt-tard how do u think ssj4 goku is as powerful as god goku 😭🙏🏼 send every piece of evidence you have for that rn
15:07 it depends on which version of cabba we’re talking about. No it doesn’t.
Cabba at least Needs MUI to Land a punch on Gogeta SSJ 4
bro he pushed him to use golden frieza? nah he one shot bro to humiliate him
Finally someone understand
love how in the manga Vegeta and Cabba are "ALMOST EQUAL" but not quite
*The Universe 6 Saiyans are half breeds.*
Honestly this is probably the most fair scaling I've seen and no GT glazing as I'm sick and tired of people shoving that unimpressive feat of Sugoroku space . I agree mostly with everything except the Movies being somehow canon to the show it is simply impossible for the majority of movies to be canon in GT as they are too many inconsistencies and GT is only ever stated to be canon to the orginal DBZ anime and that's about it the movie villains that show up in the Super 17 arc are simply cameos heck none of them even have speaking lines as far as I can remember.
Sugoroku Space is an impressive feat, given that it was a casual Kamehameha in base.
Also, I'd agree with the Movies statement you made, except Cooler, Fusion Reborn, and Wrath of the Dragon. First, Fifth Form Cooler appears out of Hell with everyone else, meaning both Movies would be canon to GT. Fusion Reborn I would say is canon to GT because Vegeta already knows the Fusion Dance to fuse into Gogeta. Wrath of the Dragon would be canon to GT because Trunks has the sword Tapion gave to him and Goku knows Dragon Fist.
I also don't know where it was stated that GT was *only* canon to the DBZ anime. During the time of GT, people didn't really give a damn about canon and assumed if it was in anime format that it was canon to it. It'd also be pretty easy to work in *some* of the movies with the Z anime.
Love the scaling video man! Keep em up (ill hunt you down if you don't)
Gogeta ain’t ready for his next opponent… CURRENT BASE GOKU 😱
Its crazy how people think gogeta would lose when he basically bitched someone who could scale to full power jiren
Respect Base Cabba 💯
Ssj4 gogeta claps base cabba no doubt, but its just funny and goofy to say that cabba solos so cabba solos💀
Note: I could make an whole fucking 500 word essay about how gogeta demolishes cabba rn but im too lazy
Btw if you wanna see the mfing 500 word essay about how gogeta demolishes cabba:
The reason is gt takes 5 years after dbz (not the 10 year timeskip part)
And super takes 10 months after. Imagine what goku could achieve within 5 years? Like base goku from the start of gt is already stronger than ssj3 goku (im not sure but probably)
So a lowball would be: gt base goku = 400x multiplier. Now stack that with ssj3 goku from baby saga, which might be 16 000x multiplier compared to ssj3 goku (might have done wrong calculating so sorry bout that) or if im gonna glaze it 24 000x. Now ssj4 is even GREATER considering he was playing with super baby 2 considered to ssj3 goku who was struggling (ain’t sure cuz im too lazy to watch gt though i have a lot of info from official websites and other materials) so ssj4 goku might be ssjg level. Then there’s the full power version against monke baby who got a 400x i think which he was evenly matched? I ain’t sure. But that would might make him ssjb level on full power. If you say im wrong, understandable. But if that’s not good enough shadow dragon saga ssj4 goku and Vegeta is EVEN STRONGER than the full power version I think so maybe then they are ssjb level. Then they FUSE over it and becoming gogeta who played with omega compared to ssj4 goku and vegeta who were struggling.
Conclusion: He might not be ui level but atleast ssjb gogeta level.
Note: this is a meme so don’t take this seriously that much i just wanted to give some info. So yeah. Im out
Avent you are a smart guy and iv fully agreed with nearly all of your content thus far. But i want you to think about the God form absorbed into base statement. Why does everyone read that as base fork equal God form. When in reality all it means is Base form absorbed it so now he no longer needs a ritual. Goku became stronger upon absorbing the ki cuz his body is pushing itself to continue fighting. This is not a going forward thing, this was only a last ditch effort kinda thing.
40k subs? We gon hit that easy
When Vegeta said that Cabba was equal to him, he was just referring to the suppressed level of power he was using at the time.
The TOP makes it explicitly clear that Cabba is nowhere near base Vegeta, as base Vegeta one shots Mona with a ki blast, while Super Saiyan Cabba was got dogwalked by her.
Final Form Freiza, who was shown to be on par with base Goku also demolished Cabba with ease, and a weakened base Goku could clash fists and knock around Super Saiyan Caulifla, who scales above Cabba.
Caulifla's performance against opponents like Napapa also prove Cabba is nowhere near Battle of Gods levels of strength, as she had to put in a lot of power and effort to overpower him.
Napapa was shown to struggle against Basil's attacks, and Basil as shown to be an ant compared to Fat Buu in the Zen Exhibition matches.
Cabba is within the Buu Saga tiers of power at best, meaning he gets no diffed by SSJ4 Gogeta.
Please cabba i need this. Cabba soloes cry
Base cabba scales to multi gogeta barley scales to uni
Burden of proof, back up your claim.
Cabba scales to low multiversal to straight multiversal. Baby was able to affect the Limbo Realm which is stated to be beyond the concepts of space and time, and is also separated from the entire Universe 7 Macrocasm. Baby being able to affect a space/realm of this caliber makes his AP outerversal. Since he did it with his first revenge death ball. So yeah Cabba rn is around low multiversal but Gogeta scales layers into outerversal in terms of AP and durability absolutely shitting on anything super characters have done so far. Base Gogeta would demolish Cabba. Even Majuub would fold him with no difficulty.
Cabba does not have any feats that put him at multiversal. Vegeta is literally shown to have been holding back when he turns Super Saiyan
they have 2 different super saiyan forms which is why they're only equal in base.. vegeta's is mastered while cabba's isn't
@@HavokUnbound Mastered is not stronger than base though, it's just better stamina control.
@@ItsB1998 you actually payed attention to the show, im proud
@@ItsB1998no there is a difference between their two ssj forms cabba just unlocked his which changes the form by quite a bit as it makes it harder for him to control and he ends up wasting energy while Vegeta is a master of the ssj form and he wasted nothing
@@Nathan24634 Cabba not having the better stamina controlled SSJ doesn't matter. You're implying he started off even with SSJ Vegeta and then massively got weaker just from using the form. If SSJ worked like that, Goku would have lost against Frieza when using SSJ
Gogeta about to have Cabba hitting the Yamcha
I can agree that Super is Stronger than GT but cabba beating ssj4 gogeta? This is insane.
Ssjblue is super strong it’s basically god Ki but mastered for a sayian or another user!
@@MuaythaiPGM I'd like to see where you got this from because SSB is not mastered God Ki.
I'd like to see why you think Super is stronger than GT.
Im pretty surprised to see the correct outcome ngl , pretty good vid one thing ill add is the gt perfect file is mistranslated and is says his finger is dozens of times ss4 and you are also correct on fusion being different than it is in super glad you clocked that
Facts! And it's a pretty good vid
13:21 This is slightly incorrect. Out of all the original 13 DBZ movies, only 4 of them are actually canon to the anime continuity. Those 4 movies being Dead Zone, Cooler’s Revenge, Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon.
UPDATE: All original 13 DBZ movies (as well as the Plan to eradicate the Saiyans OVA) are canon to the anime continuity.
Fusion Reborn can't happen. Too many inconsistencies.
@@TakeshiInazuma Show your evidence, don't just claim shit. You have the burden of proof.
I'm interested to know why Dead Zone is canon? The others are self-explanatory.
@@biohazardbin Dead zone is canon to GT because of the Garlic Jr saga in the Z anime, which is based on the events of that movie. The Garlic Jr saga is also referenced in the Baby saga.
ain’t no way people are taking this seriously 💀
It’s not the gogeta fans like me it’s the cabbage coppers that make it that their character wins cuz they know it won’t happen
Real Dragon Ball fans no that not all battles are won off sole power alone. Dont matter if he’s more powerful in any way Gogeta would stilll mop the floor with Cabba in any form💯
This is slowly becoming a db channel.
GOGETA I NEEEEEEEEEEEEED THIS
Yo Avent Can Homelander survive in Re zero?
Why is this even a debate? It's clear who the winner is.
Why do people even think this is close cabba negs 😭
I would fight you for that wrongthink.
@@error-4269 👽
@@error-4269bro you’re not fighting anyone over an anime character
@@sev9258 I am i like to box.
@@TheOneNamedSlick101 🪳
Nice I made it to a video, do ssj4 gogeta v gogeta blue next cuz I'm curious if ssj4 is the blue equivalent
lol yeah ssjg goku first apperance rolls ssj4 gogeta this guy had to use non canon feats from movies so yeah no cabba oneshots
@Toddles yeah u don't believe ssj4 gogeta is on par with the beerus feat too, shenron was going to destroy the universe overtime not in quick succession like the beerus feat.
@@peterb1353 That statement was from Godku and Beerus clashing fists, which doesn't mean shit bc neither of them have that kind of power individually and were both exerting themselves. While Omega's Ki being so toxic it was rotting the entire dimension isn't really a feat of power, it does show that him simply existing would kill everything, so he's at the very least dangerous enough that Gogeta had to turn his Minus Energy Ball into a Spirit Bomb.
@@Toddles This wouldn't make sense as, at the very least, there are 3 movies canon to GT. You also have to understand that during the time of GT's airing, nobody gave a shit about canon and assumed if it was in the anime format, it was canon to the Z anime. This "canon" debate didn't come around until BoG.
Also, if we're talking about non-canon feats, you'll have to choose 1 out of the 3 canons that Super has for any Godku feats.
Super beign a mess, what a surprise, next topic.
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Cabba can’t beat SSJ4 Gogeta in any form, here’s why.
It’s common sense Goku absorbed the SSJG form into his other forms. Now we also see him put up a better fight in SSJ with the absorbed power than he did in SSJG against Beerus.
And it’s believed by almost everyone that SSJG and SSJ4 have the same multipliers and are equal.
If we look at Cabba, he could barely even land a blow against ssj Vegeta when he was told to go all out. Vegeta was clearly just training him so he was not going all out.
There’s also the scene in the tournament of power where he’s getting beat up in his base form by base frieza. Who in his Golden form is as strong as SSJB Goku, take away the multiplier and he’s still pretty much equal to Goku.
Meaning Cabba couldn’t even beat SSJ4 Gogeta in ssj3.
Friendly reminder Cabba only has super saiyan grade 1, which is 50x. The reason Vegeta manhandled him so easily is because he has access to Super Saiyan grade 4, which is directly stated in the cell saga to be vastly superior, likely being close to 75x. Unless you somehow think Vegeta hasn't mastered super saiyan by now, in which case get the fuck out. No, a Vegeta with a superior super saiyan form beating cabba does NOT mean he suddenly STOPS scaling to base vegeta. Vegeta, IN HIS OWN HEAD, OUTRIGHT STATES THEY ARE EQUAL. as in, NOT OUT LOUD, NOT SAYING THIS TO SOMEONE ELSE, HIS OWN MIND. Unless you're so mentally ill to think he's LYING TO HIMSELF, cabba's base scales to Vegeta's, which is already enough to stomp 95% of GT, including Omega. And theb when he transforms, he slams Gogeta because Gogeta is only stated to be tens to dozens of times stronger than SSJ4 Goku in the gt perfect files. Omega is stated to be 10x that goku, and the wording used means SSJ4 Gogeta cannot be any greater than 100x stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Someone who loses to base Cabba due to a lack of feats, as any feats he does have that put him at "universal" can easily be debunked with anti-scaling. The moment Cabba goes super saiyan, he has better scaling so he just outright wins. And if we're using top cabba, ssj2 slams even harder as he's got a stronger base form, with a bigger multiplier.
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@@xeratovildan9871 pretty sure it’s stated that mastering Ssj did not boost the multiplier. Plus it doesn’t matter, it’s just a scale on who has the bigger power level as it’s always been.
Vegeta having done more training and having God power would clearly be stronger.
@@xeratovildan9871 now it’s clear not only that ssj vegeta was holding back against an enraged ssj Cabba, but he was just training him. It’s actually so obvious he was training him to where it’s actually said in the manga.
Let’s take it back to the tournament of power. Goku and Frieza are equal or around each others levels. We know this from Resurrection F saga and seeing when they KO each other in the episode before the T.O.P.
Yet Cabba was getting torn up, both in base form keep in mind, to the point he’s forced to ssj or I think ssj2 and still gets eradicated by Golden Frieza.
The fact that a weaker base gt goku during the super 17 arc shook all of hell in base form by powering up which movies goku needed ssj 3 and was overall weaker plus the fact gt kid goku broke through a dimension with his kamehameha and he only gets much stronger getting ssj4, full power ssj 4 from the ritual similar to ssjgod and on top of that vegeta during gt is relative (excluding ssj3) and omega just existing could destroy the universe imagine a ssj4 gogeta who is way above that. Yeah gt is cracked man though the fact this debate even exists is telling supers scaling is the most nonsensical in the series
Fucking facts all the way.
Cabba isnt even beating GT Pan for real.
I think people doubt how busted ssj4 is. It isn’t a number buff. it brings you to your peak past present and future. And gt goku alone is a busted ass character. and to this day we still don’t know how strong ssj4 gogeta is. he said himself he could beat omega with one finger and omega is universal. it kinda makes sense how broken they are because it was supposed to be the end of dragon ball
Nah
Even Teen Gohan SSJ2 would be more or less evenly matched with Base Cabba 😅
We all know Akira forgot about the power levels so kabab isn't that strong.
Why else would he have been drawn as a stick fighter?
I've never liked the idea of the movies being canon to GT cause most of their stories don't fit in Z's story, it doesn't make sense.
W bro. but where is the COTE vs DN video 😭
maybe i think frieza was just playing with ssj2 cabba in my opinion, we all know ruthless frieza can be and there are sometimes he just toys with his opponents .