Heian Era didn't have the World Slash because he never fought a Limitless + 6 Eyes user. Also, Heian Era Sukuna is physically stronger than Meguna, but we don't know how much stronger. They should be relative because a Jujutsu sorcerer's strength and speed come from cursed energy reserves, reinforcement, and output.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 People say that Heian form is physically stronger, but do guys have any evidence for that? I'm not trying to be a contrarian, I actually want something tangible to see as a reference.
@CoolOkay_ We can see it with yujikuna and meguna Yujikuna gets hits by mahoraga in the manga and gets sent flying into buildings and is seen laughing and unscathed Meguna whos output was only 10% but his physical stats was unchanged got punched by maki in the face and went through a bent a fence was bruised in the face Also the amount of damage reincarnated sukuna takes exceeds megunas its crazy Heiankuna >Arms ripped >Stabbed through the chest >Multiple hits to his soul >Literally hit by everything in the book Can open and maintain a domain no problem Meguna >One hole in the chest collapsed his domain
@@akumpo2356 (1) A fully realized Maki should scale above Mahoraga regarding physical stats. (2) A hit from a healthy Gojo is completely different from a hit from Yuta or Yuji.
@sayyidf.b.6378 Ahh yes punching someone through countless buildings vs a fence An accumulation of damage from yuta and yuji far surpassed the damage gojo did to drop sukunas domain its just a clear indicator of the differences between heian era and meguna he clearly is physically stronger
@@roguegamer8881 via Binding vow and smarts NOT bc of his 4 arms and 2 mouths, the result of those fights would've been the same with Meguna. Point being his 2 mouths and 4 arms were useless in overall battle or h2h combat
This guy actually thinks Kamutoke was responsible for bringing back Sukuna's hein era form. Why am I watching the video of someone that can make such a blunder?
true form sukuna slams, if meguna tries to pull out mahoraga its getting obliterated by furnace, there is no bailing him out when meguna loses the domain clash plus if we are refering to a fresh true form sukuna, prior to fighting gojo, he should have access to mahoraga as well, but its not even needed. anyway both slam gojo
Sukuna did use his innate technique against Gojo. In fact, he used it in its highest form in his domain and failed. He didn't hold back, he used 10 shadows because he didn't have a way to beat Gojo with shrine.
Shoko said Gojo survived that because he had RCT at maximum output along with Simple Domain to help him recover. In the next DE clashes, Gojo's RCT start to get slower so he used Blossom Emotion to reduce the damage even more. Its literally over if Sukuna didnt take a risky route by using Mahoraga. Because after Gojo fried his own brain, Sukuna plan to kill Gojo with a closed barrier domain so Gojo couldnt escape. Gojo was saved thanks to Sukuna taking a risky route causing him to miscalculate and ended up taking UV. As a result, Sukuna also fried his brain. Gojo literally accepted his fate knowing he about to lose. Just kneel down and didnt even teleport away as Sukuna open his DE. Only after Gojo saw Sukuna fried his own brain due to UV aftereffects, he feel like he can win again.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficialTbf, we need to factor in the buffs that Sukuna’s extra limbs and mouth gives him. In that scenario, it’d be a coin toss as to who’d win based on the results of the domain battle. If Sukuna can pile on enough damage to Gojo where he can’t even maintain rct, then he can win by wearing his down through amplification. Whereas if Gojo can withstand the buffed MS, then he’ll win the moment MS becomes unusable. Ultimately, it’d be whoever could wear each other down faster in the case of Gojo vs Heian Era Sukuna.
The cursed tool didn’t bring sukunas og body back he did it himself. The series is literally over now. you can go back and read instead of continuing to make ignorant content just because jjk was trending
Incorrect bro. The panels literally explain it. Quick summary. The tool had 10000 binding vows. And it could be used only once for reincarnation of his true form which also healed him and it could be used once for the lightning strike which usually one shots his opponent except he was fighting kashimo who has lightning affinity.
@@ThePsycoNinja nowhere in jjk is it stated that the Kamutoke brought back sukunas heian era body. It’s stated that sukuna purposely stopped the process to possibly get the edge over gojo because of his relationship with megumi. That was also most likely the trump card kusakabe was talking about. Idk what manga you’re reading but it’s not jjk
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 he held back his transformation as a healing potion, he knew Gojo was strong and after he killed Gojo he would need to run the gaunlet with every jujutsu Sorcerer alive that could fight.
In most scenarios meguna wins over heian era Sukuna Scenario 1 Since Heian era Sukuna has no knowledge of mahoraga meguna will get a adaption to cutting before HE Sukuna figures out if he trys to use a domain or Fuga megukuna would just clash while mahorga stops HE Sukuna this is a meguna win condition as they jump him while he's in the domain. Scenario 2 mahoraga gets adaption to Shrine and meguna progressing his technique just like wcs beating Sukuna with superior shrine technique Overall mid to high diff meguna out haxes his counterpart If Sukuna TF fought meguna it goes either way meguna Sukuna TF get a world cutting slash on mahoraga taking the shikagami by surprise is a win con Sukuna TF> Meguna(no maho) If sukuna targets Meguna with the wcs just like maki he would sense it and dodge if he realizes the technique Sukuna won't be able to hit it again but sukunas knowledge of mahoraga makes it closer than you think. Overall Sukuna TF(Extreme diff)= or > than meguna mid to high diff > Heian era sukuna
He literally has nothing over heian era Sukuna, he just need to never use fuuga until mahoraga arrives and then one shot him that's it, anytime mahoraga is not at the scene he gets slammed in hand to hand and use of CT because of the increase in output. It's really not even a fair fight.
@@JPBerty01”he’s literally has nothing above Heian era sukuna” firstly Megkuna has mahoraga which already puts Heian era sukuna at a disadvantage Secondly you do realize 20 finger Megkuna would be more powerful than an Heian era sukuna since the fingers grow in power over time stated by Gojo If anything Megkuna doesn’t even need mahoraga to beat Heian era sukuna it’s a mid dif fight at best lol
@@Nsnsms1 they are recovering their power, and heian sukuna have a bit more CE output since he is 20F, and meguna only 19F, the CE that was left in the original body don't count since both have it
@@Nsnsms1 you literally can't read, the fingers recover their power they don't get a power up, it's soul fragments buddy, they get more active the longer it takes because they are recovering their original power, gege himself clarified that in questions and answers and a UA-camr named manganist made a video on it. Plus megumin doesn't even have 1 finger worth of CE he is a grade 2 who can't even use any shikigami for more than a little time with max elephant, Sukuna can use any shikigami at any time even partially summon then at the same time, he had agito, mahoraga, rabbits and partially summon the elephant to use piercing water and the CE he spend in the entire Gojo fight was not even half his total CE, stated by himself in Yuta's domain. Plus he and the narrator said the heian body has increased output because he can continually perform hand signs and chants to increase his output. The fight literally goes like this: any shikigami besides mahoraga gets one shot by cleave or net of dismantles, megukuna can't even have a hand to hand fight because we know body matters a lot(itadori, Miguel, todo, Gojo etc) so the heian form is literally almost 7 feet(more than 2 meters and 10 centimeters) this is the low end on estimates, just check the yuta fight if you wanna see his size bunch of panels that show that. Is much more muscular bro literally was called Hulk of a body by hakari and he looks build like a bodybuilder, and has 4 arms which is literally the biggest advantage a person could ever have in hand to hand fight. He cooks Sukuna in megumin body in everything and just never uses fuuga then mahoraga would never adapt to fuuga and the moment megukuna pulls the sign to summon mahoraga he charges a fuuga and one shots it and fight is back at square 0 where he is superior in everything.
Uraume at the end of the battle said sukuna only lost because he was incarnated, not an actual living body. How much stronger do you think a hypothetical full flesh and blood sukuna would be in replacement of the Heian era reincarnation we got? Do you think they (the protag squad) would've had any chance at all against him or that sukuna would've messed around even once. Because if he was so much superior during his actual supposed life time the Heian era to what we got like Uraume kind of proclaimed then how strong would be that sukuna with WCS yada yada.
Meguna(by gojo's statment) got steonger over the 1000 years he is more experienced,he jumps heian sukuna and he has a stronger mahoraga than the one in shibuya,he can world slash,he can reincarnate,he has the new kamatoke,he has more cursed energy from turning himself into a cursed object in megumi's body,he ate the head of his original body covering the difference of that finger with room to spare,heian sukuna doesn't have,world slash,the ten shadows,he has less cursed energy,(arguably) less output,he only has slightly more strength and durability which has no base to go off of to keep it short it is an assumption,he has hiten we have no information about it so it is not considered,and they both have kamatoke,with all of this laid out you can't say heian era sukuna doesn't lose if you think that heian era sukuna still wins after all of this you're a lost cause,i can't be bothered,either any comments that try to prove me wrong will either be ignored,or will be responded with rice ball ingredients i'm not dealing with anyone's attitude and/or favoritism towards heian era sukuna.
So ranked in order 2 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna, 3-4 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna, 10% Output/15 Finger (Megumi) Sukuna, 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna, 18 Finger (Megumi) Sukuna, and 20 Finger (Heian) Sukuna. I personally have 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna above Satoru as i don't agree with Fingers boosting his physical strength. 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna thinks 4 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna could possibly beat Mahoraga, who's above Jogo and that would be a 60% stat decrease which is insane, he would be getting speed-blitzed.
I would tend to agree with the fingers not boosting his physical abilities except your forgetting that cursed energy amount has a lot to do with domain clashing. Therefore, satoru domain diffs all sukuna forms other than 20fs(he was equal in domain clashing with 20fs sukuna). Also he had 20fs worth of power in the final fight bro. He had 19 fingers and then ate his head which he himself said would compensate for the 1 finger amount.
i think meguna is stronger than heian era sukuna sure heian era sukana has world slash and four arms and is stronger physically but i think the ten shadows makes up for all that if meguna uses mahoraga and agito he makes up for his lack of physicality and he has more abilities overall and idk why people say heian era sukuna can use furnace and no diff him like sure it can one shot mahoraga but they forget that meguna can use furnace too if he wanted it was just that he didnt have the chance to use it the only thing meguna lacks is the world slash but even if heian era uses the world slash its hard to hit anyways plus it takes time to charge
clearly forgot one of the most important sukuna ability, DA, allow to get past infinity, made him imune to others CT, enhance physical for gojo dominating sukuna in h2h, he was dominating no DA sukuna for most of the time, but DA meguna is only slightly weaker, something like 5-15%
Megukuna just uses cleave and dismantle on Mahoraga then heian sukuna cant kill him unless he uses fire arrow which may not even work since megukuna can also use agito and through a binding vow megukuna could save Mahoraga by sacrificing agito which would let Mahoraga to adapt to fire arrow and heian sukuna without his ct may not be able to defeat Mahoraga unless he lands a black flash even then unlikely but since Mahoraga could adapt to malevolent shrine he should be able to break it which would let megukuna finish heian sukuna off with malevolent shrine leading to megukuna winning
Meguna slams. Their de are equally and the only way to win de clash is do enough damage. Obviously,Heian Sukuna is faster/stronger/better in h2h combat+can fight and make handsign simultaneously that will increase his ct output. BUT Meguna anyway slaps. He just can place Mahoraga wheels on his head and fight over. 1)Because Meguna and Heian Sukuna have the same curse energy Meguna will take much less damage from Sukuna's attack (Gojo confirmed that you have a resist to your own ce).It will allow Meguna to tank Sukuna's attack for adaptation much easier and with much less risk. 2) Mahoraga will adapt to dismantle and cleave much faster then to limitless(we saw it in fight between Sukuna and Mahoraga) 3)Meguna durability enough to take a Hollow purple so he obviously can tank slashes even without resistance. 4) Meguna has all Sukuna's technique so he can just adapt Mahoraga to all Sukuna's moveset without risking to waste shikigami. Heian Sukuna just can't damage Meguna fast enough to win,so Mahoraga will finish adaptation faster+Sukuna don't know about adaptation so he will not carefully and will speed up adaptation. And yeah,Sukuna can't use flame to damage Meguna or destroy Mahoraga. The original flame is too slow,has long cast and low range.He can't use it in fight.And use flame in combination with de he also can't because Meguna's de neutralise Sukuna's de and while Meguna's de still stand Sukuna will never use flame.
Too much stock into Mahoraga. The general takes down a majority of the cast yes but not Gojo or Sukuna. Sukuna defeated the general off screen proving his inferiority to the king and the general is clearly inferior to Gojo a character who couldn’t defeat Sukuna. The reason Sukuna was adapting for Mahoraga with the wheel was because Sukuna knew the general could not take the same beat down from Gojo like he could. Once Mahoraga is dealt with it’s GGs
@@chuxkp7512 Obviously Sukuna will destroy Mahoraga.It's why I said that Meguna will place Mahoraga's wheel on himself.Becasuse Meguna can tank Sukunas attack and adapt instead of Mahoraga who can't do this.
@@graf9108so with Meguna i do agree the slashes won’t be as affective because it’s his own CE but that doesn’t mean he’s completely un affected. Gojo still took major damage to himself when he unleashed purple. He says it was less affective against him due to it being his own CE. He just started healing the damage right away by the admits to blowing himself up. Also we know Yuji was soaked in Sukuna’s CE so by that logic Yuji should’ve have taken much damage from Sukuna’s slashes but that wasn’t the case. Sukuna’s output was still low when Yuji agrees that if his slashes were normal they would outright kill him. I don’t see Sukuna taking those slashes long enough for Mahoraga to adapt in time.
@@chuxkp7512 But I see it. Meguna has enough durability to tank red in his face WITHOUT da and he didn't lose his de.Also,Meguna tanked 200% HP at the beginning of fight(of course, it's was not 200% because hp was weakened by long distance,but it still more than 120%)+Meguna has fastest rct after Hakari(on par with Gojo).I will remind that Gojos rct was enough to tank Sukunas de. I didn't say that Meguna wouldn't take damage from Sukuna's attack.I said that Sukuna's wouldn't do enough damage to win. Again,Meguna is monster in aspects of durability and rct.Sukuna has chance if it would be his only trouble but Meguna also has resistance to Sukuna's technique that will decrease all damage in multiple time's(we saw it when Gojo took a little burn on his face from 120% HP).
@@chuxkp7512 Actually toji and maki slams mahoraga so easly, actually. Any top tiers slams Mahoraga. Why? Because he can't adapt H2H combat, only specialized in adapting CT techs, mahoraga gets stomped so badly by powerful h2h fighters.
9:42 this logic is very flawed there’s no evidence u can use to prove Sakuna is actually faster , stronger or has better durability u just made baseless claims imo 1. Maki who has pre cog , and is arguably faster then yuta and yuji , got perception blitz by Sakuna U would need to prove these characters are faster the gojo for the argument of Sakuna being faster which u can’t so thats flawed 2. Strength due to having more mass u could argue Sakuna is physically stronger but again there’s 0 evidence that’s supports his strength is different compared to meguna 3. In terms of durability gojo with 1 arm , no domain , low output , heavily fatigued is still stronger then yuta and hakari and maki and yuta and eveyone else To prove Sakuna has more better durability u would half to prove the cast r hitting harder then gojo which there’s literally no way u can argue this , so again 0 evidence supporting that Sakuna has better durability The only thing different is Sakuna have 4 arms allows 2 extra arms to be able to do da to reduce more damage yah sure but his base durability isn’t changing 4. U need to prove that the revive Sakuna got actual increases his stats in which u can’t and in terms of most logical it doesn’t support that in evidence The most logical is Sakuna just healed his body back to normal , and everything else was the same. Otherwise the whole entire cast would just half to be around or relative to gojo level speed which is beyond absurd to say and there ap would half to be relative to gojo and ect ect which evidence just doesn’t support these claims at all. The whole statements of the glaze for sakuan is his body is perfect for sorcery that is it His extra mouth can increase chants without him needed 2 and he has 2 extra arms 2 for offense and 2 for defense or he can use 3 for offense and 1 for a curse tool , or he can use multiple ct with different body parts that’s all this implying It has 0 evidence to imply he’s faster or stronger and ect ect ect The only argument u can make is when sakuan came back he’s at 100% because it says he restores his body which would imply all his stats aka the start of the fight meguna. So let’s just go with the assumption of that , sakuna ran laps on much slower characters yuji couldn’t keep up with him , kusakabe couldn’t , this yuji was also comparable to yuta which implies Sakuna is faster then yuta as well. Maki who’s faster then yuta and yuji most likely adding her precog which would allow her to be faster then normal as well got speed blitz, this implies the cast aren’t even relative in terms of stats , which suports 0 evidence of Sakuna being faster , yet alone physically stronger . Let me ask a simple question how would a cast be able to fight someone much faster then a version that was somewhat relative to gojo ? But now is just even faster ? Does that really make sense ? Clearly it doesn’t which shows the logic is flawed and what I’m implying is more then likely This a strong misconception the community has about the revive 0 evidence of Sakuna getting stronger or faster or having better durability . There’s only 2 options in terms of the refresh 1 he got back his arms and ect that’s it or 2 2. All of Sakuna stats were back to 100% as when he fought gojo
Gojo says that a stronger body benefits more from CE reinforcement. Also, Heian era Sukuna blitzed Piercing Blood, while Gojo couldn't. This is more than enough to prove Heian era Sukuna smokes Meguna.
Wish Sukuna had all 20 fingers, now they only won cuz he wasn’t at full power or had his own body and he was playing around to much. If he was serious after killing Gojo it be over
In my opinion gojo was beat by sukuna’s ability to find ways around hax and thats what was being displayed. He wasnt necessarily stronger as much as he was better at finding a path to success
@@Donovan_Berserk after surviving an exhausting battle along with tanking a city block size hollow purple Plus he wasn't really getting clap You can still keeping up even in that injured state
@@just.a.tanuki you really think physcial stats doesnt matter? bruh read the chapter of gojo and miguel again. meguna is a tactical fighter not a physical one like yujikuna and heinkuna.
@@Donovan_Berserk He was just caught off guard by his CT. Kashimo's beam literally dealt ZERO dmg to a heavily injured off guard Meguna. Literally the only reason he returned to his og form was that he needed a hand to do the WCS for the funsies.
See this is the argument that I see the most that isn't just completely invalid as to why gojo might lose to heian sukuna but there are so many things that aren't correct that you listed in the video. Like you said heian era has greater speed than meguna. But show no evidence as to how. That's so annoying. You also say heian sukuna has greater durability because his eyes were bleeding against gojo. But that was strictly because gojo hit him with UV. It likely would be the same result against heian sukuna if UV hits. so while I personally think Heian era would lose to Gojo and Meguna is the strongest of all Sukuna's form, it's pointless argue when so many facts are being overlooked. Gojo is one of the fastest in the verse. You say heian era has greater speed but final yuji can keep up with heian sukuna. Is final yuji as fast as gojo? If not then that is false. I dont remember any panels giving yuji a speed feat on gojo or sukuna's level. So that doesn't make sense either but feel free to inform me. They say that meguna can use 100 percent of sukuna's cursed energy which is way more than anyone in the series. (Double yuta's) and sukuna's innate technique is cleave and dismantle. It wasn't that sukuna did not use it. Gojo survived the strongest version which is malevolent shrine and he did several ways including simply tanking the entire duration of malevolent shrine. So standard cleave and dismantles would be pointless. Additionally, it's not stated but evidence shows. That just because mahoraga adapts, doesn't mean the 10 shadow user adapts. Infinity was still active except for when mahoraga made contact. Meaning normal cleave and dismantles still would not have reached gojo. And even if they did, he could have simply healed them plus they would not have severed any limbs. The world cutting slash was sukuna's only options.(maybe fuga but it likely would have at most let burns that gojo could heal) Sukuna had to wait until mahoraga adapted twice so he could apply the adaptation to his own technique. Which means it is absolutely necessary for sukuna use megumi's body against gojo to win. Heian era MIGHT have a durability feat but it's almost impossible to say. Sukuna fully healed and only kept the brain damage gojo caused him. Yet no one else including Yuji who also has soul damage has left Sukuna permanent damage in his final fight so you could say that heian era has the same durability as meguna. All I'm saying is that they do not specifically say anywhere that heian era sukuna has increased speed, strength or durability. It's possible it is implied. But unless all the characters got feat boosts, then when they all fought Sukuna after gojo died, sukuna should have washed them easily. Plus they had use to use gojo's body and, yuta despite being clumsy, was doing fine against heian sukuna. Gojo's body wasn't slower or taking more damage Against heian sukuna. It was all just as if meguna and gojo were fighting again. And on top of that, sukuan in heian form was still terrified of the thought gojo might have survived until he realized it was yuta in his body. I'll leave it there so this isn't too long but there's more evidence proving my point
@@OkechukwuObah The very moment Heian Sukuna appear. Its stated lol. That thing that you bunch of copium called Kashimo glazing. One time CT Kashimo absolutely trashing and beat the shit out of Meguna. But after Sukuna turn into Heian form, he blitz Kashimo like he's nothing.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial Kashimo dealt zero dmg to a half dead Meguna and Meguna with only ONE ARM was still able to defend himself against Kashimo even though it was shown that Kashimo CT caught him off guard(not blitz, just surprise him). Kashimo did nothing to Sukuna before or after the transformation lmao. And Kashimo only stated that his additional arms and mouth are perfect for a sorcerer bc of chanting and handsign blah blah, that doesn't mean Heian Sukuna is FAR superior physically. Obviously with 2 more arms he is faster but that's that, the general stats are the same.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial So you want to compare Meguna who had just ended his battle with Gojo, with Heian era Sukuna with a completely healed body and regained output? Try again.
Heian era Sukuna clearly has a more physically ripped body so he would have better physical stats overall since your innate physicality matters like how Yuji didn't have much cursed energy to reinforce his body with but he was still busted thanks to his innate physicality . While on the other hand Megumi has never been glazed for being physically strong or anything. I don't think the difference between their physical stats would be that massive but Heian Sukuna would definetly have a slight edge and yeah the fingers getting stronger overtime argument is just wrong and misinterpreted by many
*Didn't Sukuna directly say in chapter 216 that his Meguna body was better than his True Form in combat? Not to mention some arguments here just don't really make sense while i do agree True Form Sukuna is stronger stat wise, it isn't enough to just bully Meguna in general M Meguna would be stronger than Heian Era Sukuna since Meguna now should be stronger than the one back then due to his fingers getting stronger day by day, True Form Sukuna with World Slash would win and is the strongest, Form to Form True Form without World Slash would be stupid to use since if you run into someone stronger than you like Gojo you'd get the brakes beat off you with no counter play which explains why Sukuna used it since Sukuna would not get beat up like that for fun not to mention Sukuna himself in 236 directly says he wasn't holding back*
Sukuna's fingers didnt get stronger day by day. His power is RETURNING day by day because the paper seal they put on his fingers weakening. Gojo literally told Megumi to take it back to renew the seal and put in a safe place since the leaking power of Sukuna attracted Cursed Spirit and cause trouble. Sukuna said being in Megumi's body is better to fight against sorcerers. That because Megumi's physical body is average and his CT offer a great deal of versatility which Sukuna can use. If Sukuna stays in Yuji's body which dont have CT and just purely brute strength or his own Heian form which also the same but much stronger, theres no such things as jujutsu when fighting sorcerers cuz he will just end up bullying them purely by physical prowess and CE reinforcement feats. Even Megumi said it himself when he fought Sukuna, "Its not even a matter of jujutsu. He is just too agile and too strong."
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial that's cap since Gojo doesn't mention the seal weakening he just says the finger's get stronger which if the seal was weakening he would've said like "the seal is weakening" instead of saying "his fingers get stronger day by day"
It's funny to see people making some absurd claim like meguna or gojo being stronger than heian era sukuna when the Manga quite literally claim the opposite. Those people are just mad about the facts and revise them.
Meguna can use WCS way more easily than Heian Sukuna and that’s why he wins Also, there’s a difference between current “Heian Sukuna” and actual Heian Sukuna The current one - at peak - is clearly stronger
how does Meguna use WCS easier tho? he only used it once as Meguna and he used a binding vow to not use enchantments/chants. Had Gojo seen Sukuna chanting he would’ve teleported and would’ve avoided WCS. ofc Gojo at that moment knew sukuna just lost 10Shadows and his slashes can’t bypass Limitless so he just stood there with neutral Limitless on. Six eyes detected him using a technique but ofc how would Gojo know it could cut through Limitless at that time. Gojo plot hole is not getting worried that Mahoraga bypassed his infinity like he didnt even think in his head that mahoraga just did something crazy hell gojo even looked at that slash aftermath that sliced his hand but his six eyes didn’t realized how mahoraga was able to slice his hand and think sukuna could copy it? that was the only plot hole in the fight with the offscreen WCS
The current Heian Sukuna stated to be weaker. 1. Because he didnt have his actual body. Using a vessel reduce his output slightly and Yuji punches the barrier between him and the vessel just make it even worser. 2. Sukuna had no Cursed Tools. It was stated he won against the Heian era jumping because of how efficient he is at using Kamutoke and Hiten. Despite Yorozo giving him a new Kamutoke, he didnt actually use it since Kashimo immune to lightning and Higuruma take it from him. Meguna only considered a huge threat if he managed to keep farming Mahoraga till the late game. Otherwise, its a risky gamble. Its literally stated. Meanwhile, Heian Sukuna is a huge threat the very moment he appear.
@@clayless8701you forget meguna never got the world cutting slash when he still in his best state. we're talking about meguna. not current true heian sukuna. so if you talking about meguna had already got the world cutting slash. then it's mean heian sukuna will fight meguna that had already very low CE and very badly injured and it's will take negative diff for heian sukuna to kill him instantly
There is exactly zero evidence to suggest true form sukuna is any stronger or faster than meguna. And furthermore, I’d argue that having the 10S, specifically mahoraga, is infinitely more useful than two extra arms and a mouth.
not only that, but if Heian sukuna was stronger than the whole ass ten shadows technique, why did he choose to stay in megumi's body for the most important fight of his life?
@@clayless8701 It was stated he purposely halted the transformation because he want to save it for later since continuing the transformation allow him to get a free heal. He knew he gonna get jump after killing Gojo. His Heian form also physically more powerful and have massive advantages over sorcerers. It literally stated and shown. The only reason his Heian form didnt one shot everyone because of Yuji punches make his control over Megumi weakening causing his CE output to suffer.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial it is never once stated that he purposefully halted the transformation. And like I said, there is exactly zero evidence to even remotely suggest that his true form was any stronger or faster. If anything, the exact opposite is true, he kept up with Gojo while in his meguna form and was getting constantly tagged by fodder while in his true form.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial Yes, the delayed transformation allowed for a free heal, but the much more important factor is the fact that 10 shadows was useless at that point, so there was no longer a benefit to staying inside megumi (pause). He would have stayed in megumi (pause) if he still had his summons, since Agito was free heals too and the summons could fend off opps so he could avoid getting jumped For the heian form physical buffs, an extra set of arms and mouth were overglazed. Being able to chant and do hand signs and shi didn't really help him that much, especially since he only did WCS like twice after gojo died. Yeah he had heavenly-restriction-esque mobility buffs but he was already able to move that fast in megumi's body (pause) anyway. U saying he'd 1-tap everyone is pure cap since yuji didn't even start his soul combos until a lil later in the fight anyway. The reason he wasn't able to 1 shot everyone was because he'd been drained from fighting gojo. Even in megumi (pause) he would have 1 shotted everyone in this hypothetical full power situation cause he'd be spamming domains
Mahoraga will beat the shit out of heian era sukuna since Mahoraga has adapted to cleave and dismantle and only needs to adapt to divine flame. Which meguna should be able to hit him with in a lower output to make him immune to everything heian era sukuna has to offer.
Mahoraga is still to slow and weak to be able to kill sukuna And sukuna would probably make a binding vow to change his technic is some type away so mahoraga has to adapt again
@@Oknahidwin I'm just telling you he won via binding vow so dont act like he dominates gojo in a 1v1 when clearly it will be extreme dif between gojo or sukuna (could go anyway)
The world cutting slash only cuts space not time And also, it was never stated that sukuna can’t use the ten shadows anymore after transforming But I think gojo destroyed all the shadow which he never used them So technically a theoretical strongest sukuna would be in megumin body with all finger, technique including all ten shadows and world cutting slash, cursed tools, and max CE and RCE output This theoretical sukuna would fodderize the whole verse many times over
I really think JJK can’t read. Meguna should demolish Heian Sukuna with Mahoraga and Agito even without learning World Slash. People think Heian Sukuna is stronger because of Gege poor writing without backing it up
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Heian Era didn't have the World Slash because he never fought a Limitless + 6 Eyes user.
Also, Heian Era Sukuna is physically stronger than Meguna, but we don't know how much stronger. They should be relative because a Jujutsu sorcerer's strength and speed come from cursed energy reserves, reinforcement, and output.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 People say that Heian form is physically stronger, but do guys have any evidence for that? I'm not trying to be a contrarian, I actually want something tangible to see as a reference.
@CoolOkay_
We can see it with yujikuna and meguna
Yujikuna gets hits by mahoraga in the manga and gets sent flying into buildings and is seen laughing and unscathed
Meguna whos output was only 10% but his physical stats was unchanged got punched by maki in the face and went through a bent a fence was bruised in the face
Also the amount of damage reincarnated sukuna takes exceeds megunas its crazy
Heiankuna
>Arms ripped
>Stabbed through the chest
>Multiple hits to his soul
>Literally hit by everything in the book
Can open and maintain a domain no problem
Meguna
>One hole in the chest collapsed his domain
@@akumpo2356
(1) A fully realized Maki should scale above Mahoraga regarding physical stats.
(2) A hit from a healthy Gojo is completely different from a hit from Yuta or Yuji.
@sayyidf.b.6378
Ahh yes punching someone through countless buildings vs a fence
An accumulation of damage from yuta and yuji far surpassed the damage gojo did to drop sukunas domain its just a clear indicator of the differences between heian era and meguna he clearly is physically stronger
@@CoolOkay_i can get into feats but all ya gotta know is that megumi is a bum who physically weakens anyone he associates with
Tbh True form sukuna (heian era) is getting so underrated and downplayed so hard.
it got clapped by Yuji/Maki/Yuta in a 1v1 h2h fights, moreso overrated than underrated
@@tinytitan8807that Sukuna was extremely weakened and still beat them
@@roguegamer8881 via Binding vow and smarts NOT bc of his 4 arms and 2 mouths, the result of those fights would've been the same with Meguna. Point being his 2 mouths and 4 arms were useless in overall battle or h2h combat
@@tinytitan8807 not true as he still outclassed them all in hand to hand combat
@@tinytitan8807 Without yuji's cursed womb body, the fight would've ended quicker.
This guy actually thinks Kamutoke was responsible for bringing back Sukuna's hein era form. Why am I watching the video of someone that can make such a blunder?
Should be a given now that jjk fans can’t comprehend text very well
Heian era sukuna will kill vs Meguna who can kill . Yeah he loses to Heian era so bad lol especially with his weapons
We don’t even know what his weapons do?
How tf am I watching this in shorts wtf, I'm so confused 😭
Same, shorts have been recommending me full videos through shorts
true form sukuna slams, if meguna tries to pull out mahoraga its getting obliterated by furnace,
there is no bailing him out when meguna loses the domain clash
plus if we are refering to a fresh true form sukuna, prior to fighting gojo, he should have access to mahoraga as well, but its not even needed.
anyway both slam gojo
@legendhomies47 mahoraga is like a tool, it's only effective when its in the hands of a skilled user
Both demolished by gojo in every aspect
Sukuna did use his innate technique against Gojo. In fact, he used it in its highest form in his domain and failed. He didn't hold back, he used 10 shadows because he didn't have a way to beat Gojo with shrine.
Shoko said Gojo survived that because he had RCT at maximum output along with Simple Domain to help him recover. In the next DE clashes, Gojo's RCT start to get slower so he used Blossom Emotion to reduce the damage even more. Its literally over if Sukuna didnt take a risky route by using Mahoraga. Because after Gojo fried his own brain, Sukuna plan to kill Gojo with a closed barrier domain so Gojo couldnt escape. Gojo was saved thanks to Sukuna taking a risky route causing him to miscalculate and ended up taking UV. As a result, Sukuna also fried his brain.
Gojo literally accepted his fate knowing he about to lose. Just kneel down and didnt even teleport away as Sukuna open his DE. Only after Gojo saw Sukuna fried his own brain due to UV aftereffects, he feel like he can win again.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficialTbf, we need to factor in the buffs that Sukuna’s extra limbs and mouth gives him.
In that scenario, it’d be a coin toss as to who’d win based on the results of the domain battle. If Sukuna can pile on enough damage to Gojo where he can’t even maintain rct, then he can win by wearing his down through amplification.
Whereas if Gojo can withstand the buffed MS, then he’ll win the moment MS becomes unusable.
Ultimately, it’d be whoever could wear each other down faster in the case of Gojo vs Heian Era Sukuna.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial okay
@@ALN21000That only makes easier for him to fight, it doesnt really add some power to his atks.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial cope
9:14 proof ? what did you meant by that it was pretty clear that he dosn't needed kamutoke, kamutoke just a cursed tool that send lightning
It's prolly some kinda translation error because this is weirdly not the first time I've heard this 😭
Back to back uploads makes me a very happy earthling
8:09 holding back mean no heian transformation
Power scalers don't read the manga only the feats
Holding back means limited output, risky moves, taking pointless damage and no Heian form
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 max output, risk and no transformation is right tho
@@imilisnoob Sukuna didn't chant, so his output is automatically low from the get go. It's not up for debate.
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 he was using DA and WCS, chanting only enhance CT output, not CE reinforcment output
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The cursed tool didn’t bring sukunas og body back he did it himself. The series is literally over now. you can go back and read instead of continuing to make ignorant content just because jjk was trending
Incorrect bro. The panels literally explain it. Quick summary. The tool had 10000 binding vows. And it could be used only once for reincarnation of his true form which also healed him and it could be used once for the lightning strike which usually one shots his opponent except he was fighting kashimo who has lightning affinity.
@@ThePsycoNinja nowhere in jjk is it stated that the Kamutoke brought back sukunas heian era body. It’s stated that sukuna purposely stopped the process to possibly get the edge over gojo because of his relationship with megumi. That was also most likely the trump card kusakabe was talking about. Idk what manga you’re reading but it’s not jjk
@@ThePsycoNinja Bro, next time read. Dont just watch pictures. This is not kindergarden anymore.
@@ezednnowhere it is stated that Sukuna held back his transformation for Gojo. He held back his transformation because he felt like it.
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 he held back his transformation as a healing potion, he knew Gojo was strong and after he killed Gojo he would need to run the gaunlet with every jujutsu Sorcerer alive that could fight.
In most scenarios meguna wins over heian era Sukuna
Scenario 1 Since Heian era Sukuna has no knowledge of mahoraga meguna will get a adaption to cutting before HE Sukuna figures out if he trys to use a domain or Fuga megukuna would just clash while mahorga stops HE Sukuna this is a meguna win condition as they jump him while he's in the domain.
Scenario 2 mahoraga gets adaption to Shrine and meguna progressing his technique just like wcs beating Sukuna with superior shrine technique
Overall mid to high diff meguna out haxes his counterpart
If Sukuna TF fought meguna it goes either way meguna
Sukuna TF get a world cutting slash on mahoraga taking the shikagami by surprise is a win con Sukuna TF> Meguna(no maho)
If sukuna targets Meguna with the wcs just like maki he would sense it and dodge if he realizes the technique Sukuna won't be able to hit it again but sukunas knowledge of mahoraga makes it closer than you think.
Overall Sukuna TF(Extreme diff)= or > than meguna mid to high diff > Heian era sukuna
Some things are wrong but overall right outcome
Meguna slams
No he doesnt
He literally has nothing over heian era Sukuna, he just need to never use fuuga until mahoraga arrives and then one shot him that's it, anytime mahoraga is not at the scene he gets slammed in hand to hand and use of CT because of the increase in output. It's really not even a fair fight.
@@JPBerty01”he’s literally has nothing above Heian era sukuna” firstly Megkuna has mahoraga which already puts Heian era sukuna at a disadvantage
Secondly you do realize 20 finger Megkuna would be more powerful than an Heian era sukuna since the fingers grow in power over time stated by Gojo
If anything Megkuna doesn’t even need mahoraga to beat Heian era sukuna it’s a mid dif fight at best lol
@@Nsnsms1 they are recovering their power, and heian sukuna have a bit more CE output since he is 20F, and meguna only 19F, the CE that was left in the original body don't count since both have it
@@Nsnsms1 you literally can't read, the fingers recover their power they don't get a power up, it's soul fragments buddy, they get more active the longer it takes because they are recovering their original power, gege himself clarified that in questions and answers and a UA-camr named manganist made a video on it.
Plus megumin doesn't even have 1 finger worth of CE he is a grade 2 who can't even use any shikigami for more than a little time with max elephant, Sukuna can use any shikigami at any time even partially summon then at the same time, he had agito, mahoraga, rabbits and partially summon the elephant to use piercing water and the CE he spend in the entire Gojo fight was not even half his total CE, stated by himself in Yuta's domain. Plus he and the narrator said the heian body has increased output because he can continually perform hand signs and chants to increase his output.
The fight literally goes like this: any shikigami besides mahoraga gets one shot by cleave or net of dismantles, megukuna can't even have a hand to hand fight because we know body matters a lot(itadori, Miguel, todo, Gojo etc) so the heian form is literally almost 7 feet(more than 2 meters and 10 centimeters) this is the low end on estimates, just check the yuta fight if you wanna see his size bunch of panels that show that. Is much more muscular bro literally was called Hulk of a body by hakari and he looks build like a bodybuilder, and has 4 arms which is literally the biggest advantage a person could ever have in hand to hand fight. He cooks Sukuna in megumin body in everything and just never uses fuuga then mahoraga would never adapt to fuuga and the moment megukuna pulls the sign to summon mahoraga he charges a fuuga and one shots it and fight is back at square 0 where he is superior in everything.
Uraume at the end of the battle said sukuna only lost because he was incarnated, not an actual living body.
How much stronger do you think a hypothetical full flesh and blood sukuna would be in replacement of the Heian era reincarnation we got? Do you think they (the protag squad) would've had any chance at all against him or that sukuna would've messed around even once. Because if he was so much superior during his actual supposed life time the Heian era to what we got like Uraume kind of proclaimed then how strong would be that sukuna with WCS yada yada.
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@1BubblePop right? This comment is so unintentionally funny 😭😭
@@JJJuiceWRLDFan lol
Meguna(by gojo's statment) got steonger over the 1000 years he is more experienced,he jumps heian sukuna and he has a stronger mahoraga than the one in shibuya,he can world slash,he can reincarnate,he has the new kamatoke,he has more cursed energy from turning himself into a cursed object in megumi's body,he ate the head of his original body covering the difference of that finger with room to spare,heian sukuna doesn't have,world slash,the ten shadows,he has less cursed energy,(arguably) less output,he only has slightly more strength and durability which has no base to go off of to keep it short it is an assumption,he has hiten we have no information about it so it is not considered,and they both have kamatoke,with all of this laid out you can't say heian era sukuna doesn't lose if you think that heian era sukuna still wins after all of this you're a lost cause,i can't be bothered,either any comments that try to prove me wrong will either be ignored,or will be responded with rice ball ingredients i'm not dealing with anyone's attitude and/or favoritism towards heian era sukuna.
So ranked in order 2 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna, 3-4 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna, 10% Output/15 Finger (Megumi) Sukuna, 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna, 18 Finger (Megumi) Sukuna, and 20 Finger (Heian) Sukuna.
I personally have 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna above Satoru as i don't agree with Fingers boosting his physical strength. 16 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna thinks 4 Finger (Yuji) Sukuna could possibly beat Mahoraga, who's above Jogo and that would be a 60% stat decrease which is insane, he would be getting speed-blitzed.
I would tend to agree with the fingers not boosting his physical abilities except your forgetting that cursed energy amount has a lot to do with domain clashing. Therefore, satoru domain diffs all sukuna forms other than 20fs(he was equal in domain clashing with 20fs sukuna). Also he had 20fs worth of power in the final fight bro. He had 19 fingers and then ate his head which he himself said would compensate for the 1 finger amount.
Bravo well well well done video
i think meguna is stronger than heian era sukuna sure heian era sukana has world slash and four arms and is stronger physically but i think the ten shadows makes up for all that if meguna uses mahoraga and agito he makes up for his lack of physicality and he has more abilities overall and idk why people say heian era sukuna can use furnace and no diff him like sure it can one shot mahoraga but they forget that meguna can use furnace too if he wanted it was just that he didnt have the chance to use it the only thing meguna lacks is the world slash but even if heian era uses the world slash its hard to hit anyways plus it takes time to charge
Megkuna is easily over Heiankuna. If Megkuna ever gets extremely pressed he can become Heiankuna 1 time and be almost totally replenished :^)
clearly forgot one of the most important sukuna ability, DA, allow to get past infinity, made him imune to others CT, enhance physical
for gojo dominating sukuna in h2h, he was dominating no DA sukuna for most of the time, but DA meguna is only slightly weaker, something like 5-15%
Megukuna just uses cleave and dismantle on Mahoraga then heian sukuna cant kill him unless he uses fire arrow which may not even work since megukuna can also use agito and through a binding vow megukuna could save Mahoraga by sacrificing agito which would let Mahoraga to adapt to fire arrow and heian sukuna without his ct may not be able to defeat Mahoraga unless he lands a black flash even then unlikely but since Mahoraga could adapt to malevolent shrine he should be able to break it which would let megukuna finish heian sukuna off with malevolent shrine leading to megukuna winning
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Meguna all days , Mahoraga can adapt and help sukuna learn new techniques.
Doesn't matter if it gets blitzed and one tapped which Heian era Sukuna will do.
Hear me out if sukuna’s fingers basically get more power n stuff over time could it that he is stronger than he originally was?
Meguna slams.
Their de are equally and the only way to win de clash is do enough damage.
Obviously,Heian Sukuna is faster/stronger/better in h2h combat+can fight and make handsign simultaneously that will increase his ct output.
BUT Meguna anyway slaps.
He just can place Mahoraga wheels on his head and fight over.
1)Because Meguna and Heian Sukuna have the same curse energy Meguna will take much less damage from Sukuna's attack (Gojo confirmed that you have a resist to your own ce).It will allow Meguna to tank Sukuna's attack for adaptation much easier and with much less risk.
2) Mahoraga will adapt to dismantle and cleave much faster then to limitless(we saw it in fight between Sukuna and Mahoraga)
3)Meguna durability enough to take a Hollow purple so he obviously can tank slashes even without resistance.
4) Meguna has all Sukuna's technique so he can just adapt Mahoraga to all Sukuna's moveset without risking to waste shikigami.
Heian Sukuna just can't damage Meguna fast enough to win,so Mahoraga will finish adaptation faster+Sukuna don't know about adaptation so he will not carefully and will speed up adaptation.
And yeah,Sukuna can't use flame to damage Meguna or destroy Mahoraga.
The original flame is too slow,has long cast and low range.He can't use it in fight.And use flame in combination with de he also can't because Meguna's de neutralise Sukuna's de and while Meguna's de still stand Sukuna will never use flame.
Too much stock into Mahoraga. The general takes down a majority of the cast yes but not Gojo or Sukuna. Sukuna defeated the general off screen proving his inferiority to the king and the general is clearly inferior to Gojo a character who couldn’t defeat Sukuna. The reason Sukuna was adapting for Mahoraga with the wheel was because Sukuna knew the general could not take the same beat down from Gojo like he could. Once Mahoraga is dealt with it’s GGs
@@chuxkp7512 Obviously Sukuna will destroy Mahoraga.It's why I said that Meguna will place Mahoraga's wheel on himself.Becasuse Meguna can tank Sukunas attack and adapt instead of Mahoraga who can't do this.
@@graf9108so with Meguna i do agree the slashes won’t be as affective because it’s his own CE but that doesn’t mean he’s completely un affected. Gojo still took major damage to himself when he unleashed purple. He says it was less affective against him due to it being his own CE. He just started healing the damage right away by the admits to blowing himself up. Also we know Yuji was soaked in Sukuna’s CE so by that logic Yuji should’ve have taken much damage from Sukuna’s slashes but that wasn’t the case. Sukuna’s output was still low when Yuji agrees that if his slashes were normal they would outright kill him. I don’t see Sukuna taking those slashes long enough for Mahoraga to adapt in time.
@@chuxkp7512 But I see it.
Meguna has enough durability to tank red in his face WITHOUT da and he didn't lose his de.Also,Meguna tanked 200% HP at the beginning of fight(of course, it's was not 200% because hp was weakened by long distance,but it still more than 120%)+Meguna has fastest rct after Hakari(on par with Gojo).I will remind that Gojos rct was enough to tank Sukunas de.
I didn't say that Meguna wouldn't take damage from Sukuna's attack.I said that Sukuna's wouldn't do enough damage to win.
Again,Meguna is monster in aspects of durability and rct.Sukuna has chance if it would be his only trouble but Meguna also has resistance to Sukuna's technique that will decrease all damage in multiple time's(we saw it when Gojo took a little burn on his face from 120% HP).
@@chuxkp7512 Actually toji and maki slams mahoraga so easly, actually. Any top tiers slams Mahoraga. Why? Because he can't adapt H2H combat, only specialized in adapting CT techs, mahoraga gets stomped so badly by powerful h2h fighters.
9:42 this logic is very flawed there’s no evidence u can use to prove Sakuna is actually faster , stronger or has better durability u just made baseless claims imo
1. Maki who has pre cog , and is arguably faster then yuta and yuji , got perception blitz by Sakuna
U would need to prove these characters are faster the gojo for the argument of Sakuna being faster which u can’t so thats flawed
2. Strength due to having more mass u could argue Sakuna is physically stronger but again there’s 0 evidence that’s supports his strength is different compared to meguna
3. In terms of durability gojo with 1 arm , no domain , low output , heavily fatigued is still stronger then yuta and hakari and maki and yuta and eveyone else
To prove Sakuna has more better durability u would half to prove the cast r hitting harder then gojo which there’s literally no way u can argue this , so again 0 evidence supporting that Sakuna has better durability
The only thing different is Sakuna have 4 arms allows 2 extra arms to be able to do da to reduce more damage yah sure but his base durability isn’t changing
4. U need to prove that the revive Sakuna got actual increases his stats in which u can’t and in terms of most logical it doesn’t support that in evidence
The most logical is Sakuna just healed his body back to normal , and everything else was the same.
Otherwise the whole entire cast would just half to be around or relative to gojo level speed which is beyond absurd to say and there ap would half to be relative to gojo and ect ect which evidence just doesn’t support these claims at all.
The whole statements of the glaze for sakuan is his body is perfect for sorcery that is it
His extra mouth can increase chants without him needed 2 and he has 2 extra arms 2 for offense and 2 for defense or he can use 3 for offense and 1 for a curse tool , or he can use multiple ct with different body parts that’s all this implying
It has 0 evidence to imply he’s faster or stronger and ect ect ect
The only argument u can make is when sakuan came back he’s at 100% because it says he restores his body which would imply all his stats aka the start of the fight meguna.
So let’s just go with the assumption of that , sakuna ran laps on much slower characters yuji couldn’t keep up with him , kusakabe couldn’t , this yuji was also comparable to yuta which implies Sakuna is faster then yuta as well.
Maki who’s faster then yuta and yuji most likely adding her precog which would allow her to be faster then normal as well got speed blitz, this implies the cast aren’t even relative in terms of stats , which suports 0 evidence of Sakuna being faster , yet alone physically stronger .
Let me ask a simple question how would a cast be able to fight someone much faster then a version that was somewhat relative to gojo ? But now is just even faster ? Does that really make sense ? Clearly it doesn’t which shows the logic is flawed and what I’m implying is more then likely
This a strong misconception the community has about the revive 0 evidence of Sakuna getting stronger or faster or having better durability .
There’s only 2 options in terms of the refresh
1 he got back his arms and ect that’s it or 2
2. All of Sakuna stats were back to 100% as when he fought gojo
Gojo says that a stronger body benefits more from CE reinforcement. Also, Heian era Sukuna blitzed Piercing Blood, while Gojo couldn't. This is more than enough to prove Heian era Sukuna smokes Meguna.
Does his mic sound different?
Ain’t no point of making a video about who’s stronger currently between Yuji and Megumi bc it’s Yuji hands down and no one can really argue that.
Wish Sukuna had all 20 fingers, now they only won cuz he wasn’t at full power or had his own body and he was playing around to much. If he was serious after killing Gojo it be over
You're coping, he was clearly at full power, eating an extra finger wouldn't have saved him.
@@CoolOkay_ but that finger coasted him his life. If they didn’t have it then it be over
In my opinion gojo was beat by sukuna’s ability to find ways around hax and thats what was being displayed. He wasnt necessarily stronger as much as he was better at finding a path to success
By narrative and by feats gojo would beat Meguna if he didn’t have mahoraga and people can’t seem to accept it:
Gojo vs Sukuna (iq,battle iq ) pls
he already made that lil bro
In my opinion whoever delivers the first Black flash wins lol
I don't think the physical stat difference isn't that great
Physical stat difference is very much great. Meguna was getting clapped by even kashimo
@@Donovan_Berserk after surviving an exhausting battle along with tanking a city block size hollow purple Plus he wasn't really getting clap You can still keeping up even in that injured state
@@just.a.tanuki you really think physcial stats doesnt matter? bruh read the chapter of gojo and miguel again. meguna is a tactical fighter not a physical one like yujikuna and heinkuna.
@@Donovan_Berserk He was just caught off guard by his CT. Kashimo's beam literally dealt ZERO dmg to a heavily injured off guard Meguna. Literally the only reason he returned to his og form was that he needed a hand to do the WCS for the funsies.
@@WojsdMeguna was getting beaten up by Kashimo very badly.
See this is the argument that I see the most that isn't just completely invalid as to why gojo might lose to heian sukuna but there are so many things that aren't correct that you listed in the video. Like you said heian era has greater speed than meguna. But show no evidence as to how. That's so annoying.
You also say heian sukuna has greater durability because his eyes were bleeding against gojo. But that was strictly because gojo hit him with UV. It likely would be the same result against heian sukuna if UV hits. so while I personally think Heian era would lose to Gojo and Meguna is the strongest of all Sukuna's form, it's pointless argue when so many facts are being overlooked.
Gojo is one of the fastest in the verse. You say heian era has greater speed but final yuji can keep up with heian sukuna. Is final yuji as fast as gojo? If not then that is false. I dont remember any panels giving yuji a speed feat on gojo or sukuna's level. So that doesn't make sense either but feel free to inform me.
They say that meguna can use 100 percent of sukuna's cursed energy which is way more than anyone in the series. (Double yuta's) and sukuna's innate technique is cleave and dismantle. It wasn't that sukuna did not use it. Gojo survived the strongest version which is malevolent shrine and he did several ways including simply tanking the entire duration of malevolent shrine. So standard cleave and dismantles would be pointless. Additionally, it's not stated but evidence shows. That just because mahoraga adapts, doesn't mean the 10 shadow user adapts. Infinity was still active except for when mahoraga made contact. Meaning normal cleave and dismantles still would not have reached gojo. And even if they did, he could have simply healed them plus they would not have severed any limbs. The world cutting slash was sukuna's only options.(maybe fuga but it likely would have at most let burns that gojo could heal) Sukuna had to wait until mahoraga adapted twice so he could apply the adaptation to his own technique. Which means it is absolutely necessary for sukuna use megumi's body against gojo to win. Heian era MIGHT have a durability feat but it's almost impossible to say. Sukuna fully healed and only kept the brain damage gojo caused him. Yet no one else including Yuji who also has soul damage has left Sukuna permanent damage in his final fight so you could say that heian era has the same durability as meguna. All I'm saying is that they do not specifically say anywhere that heian era sukuna has increased speed, strength or durability. It's possible it is implied. But unless all the characters got feat boosts, then when they all fought Sukuna after gojo died, sukuna should have washed them easily. Plus they had use to use gojo's body and, yuta despite being clumsy, was doing fine against heian sukuna. Gojo's body wasn't slower or taking more damage Against heian sukuna. It was all just as if meguna and gojo were fighting again. And on top of that, sukuan in heian form was still terrified of the thought gojo might have survived until he realized it was yuta in his body.
I'll leave it there so this isn't too long but there's more evidence proving my point
Yh, funny how there's abolutely no panel that even implies Heian Sukuna is physically stronger or faster than Meguna, but the whole fandom thinks so.
@@OkechukwuObah The very moment Heian Sukuna appear. Its stated lol. That thing that you bunch of copium called Kashimo glazing.
One time CT Kashimo absolutely trashing and beat the shit out of Meguna. But after Sukuna turn into Heian form, he blitz Kashimo like he's nothing.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial Kashimo dealt zero dmg to a half dead Meguna and Meguna with only ONE ARM was still able to defend himself against Kashimo even though it was shown that Kashimo CT caught him off guard(not blitz, just surprise him). Kashimo did nothing to Sukuna before or after the transformation lmao.
And Kashimo only stated that his additional arms and mouth are perfect for a sorcerer bc of chanting and handsign blah blah, that doesn't mean Heian Sukuna is FAR superior physically. Obviously with 2 more arms he is faster but that's that, the general stats are the same.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial So you want to compare Meguna who had just ended his battle with Gojo, with Heian era Sukuna with a completely healed body and regained output?
Try again.
Heian era Sukuna clearly has a more physically ripped body so he would have better physical stats overall since your innate physicality matters like how Yuji didn't have much cursed energy to reinforce his body with but he was still busted thanks to his innate physicality . While on the other hand Megumi has never been glazed for being physically strong or anything. I don't think the difference between their physical stats would be that massive but Heian Sukuna would definetly have a slight edge and yeah the fingers getting stronger overtime argument is just wrong and misinterpreted by many
can you make a bleach video
DBZ soundtrack goes hard
No way blud just said 10% Meguna is over 15F Sukuna
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Pls avent i need my goat yuuchi
*Didn't Sukuna directly say in chapter 216 that his Meguna body was better than his True Form in combat? Not to mention some arguments here just don't really make sense while i do agree True Form Sukuna is stronger stat wise, it isn't enough to just bully Meguna in general M Meguna would be stronger than Heian Era Sukuna since Meguna now should be stronger than the one back then due to his fingers getting stronger day by day, True Form Sukuna with World Slash would win and is the strongest, Form to Form True Form without World Slash would be stupid to use since if you run into someone stronger than you like Gojo you'd get the brakes beat off you with no counter play which explains why Sukuna used it since Sukuna would not get beat up like that for fun not to mention Sukuna himself in 236 directly says he wasn't holding back*
Sukuna's fingers didnt get stronger day by day. His power is RETURNING day by day because the paper seal they put on his fingers weakening. Gojo literally told Megumi to take it back to renew the seal and put in a safe place since the leaking power of Sukuna attracted Cursed Spirit and cause trouble.
Sukuna said being in Megumi's body is better to fight against sorcerers. That because Megumi's physical body is average and his CT offer a great deal of versatility which Sukuna can use. If Sukuna stays in Yuji's body which dont have CT and just purely brute strength or his own Heian form which also the same but much stronger, theres no such things as jujutsu when fighting sorcerers cuz he will just end up bullying them purely by physical prowess and CE reinforcement feats. Even Megumi said it himself when he fought Sukuna, "Its not even a matter of jujutsu. He is just too agile and too strong."
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficialgojo debunks that as Gojo says in quote “sukuna finger gets stronger everyday”
Sukuna held back idk where you get statements from
@@Owen-sx4jj proof sukuna fans don’t know how to read:
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial that's cap since Gojo doesn't mention the seal weakening he just says the finger's get stronger which if the seal was weakening he would've said like "the seal is weakening" instead of saying "his fingers get stronger day by day"
Good video but there’s some things wrong.
It's funny to see people making some absurd claim like meguna or gojo being stronger than heian era sukuna when the Manga quite literally claim the opposite. Those people are just mad about the facts and revise them.
There's no evidence for Heian form being stronger.
Meguna can use WCS way more easily than Heian Sukuna and that’s why he wins
Also, there’s a difference between current “Heian Sukuna” and actual Heian Sukuna
The current one - at peak - is clearly stronger
how does Meguna use WCS easier tho? he only used it once as Meguna and he used a binding vow to not use enchantments/chants. Had Gojo seen Sukuna chanting he would’ve teleported and would’ve avoided WCS. ofc Gojo at that moment knew sukuna just lost 10Shadows and his slashes can’t bypass Limitless so he just stood there with neutral Limitless on. Six eyes detected him using a technique but ofc how would Gojo know it could cut through Limitless at that time. Gojo plot hole is not getting worried that Mahoraga bypassed his infinity like he didnt even think in his head that mahoraga just did something crazy hell gojo even looked at that slash aftermath that sliced his hand but his six eyes didn’t realized how mahoraga was able to slice his hand and think sukuna could copy it? that was the only plot hole in the fight with the offscreen WCS
@@zenitsuthunder3946 it's easier for meguna because Raga can perform world slash
The current Heian Sukuna stated to be weaker.
1. Because he didnt have his actual body. Using a vessel reduce his output slightly and Yuji punches the barrier between him and the vessel just make it even worser.
2. Sukuna had no Cursed Tools. It was stated he won against the Heian era jumping because of how efficient he is at using Kamutoke and Hiten. Despite Yorozo giving him a new Kamutoke, he didnt actually use it since Kashimo immune to lightning and Higuruma take it from him.
Meguna only considered a huge threat if he managed to keep farming Mahoraga till the late game. Otherwise, its a risky gamble. Its literally stated.
Meanwhile, Heian Sukuna is a huge threat the very moment he appear.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial this is a theoretical prime current 4 arm sukuna
@@clayless8701you forget meguna never got the world cutting slash when he still in his best state. we're talking about meguna. not current true heian sukuna. so if you talking about meguna had already got the world cutting slash. then it's mean heian sukuna will fight meguna that had already very low CE and very badly injured and it's will take negative diff for heian sukuna to kill him instantly
Don’t make a yuji vs megumi video bro
The outcome is to obvious 😭
Hein era slams
Meguna can just use his own attacks against mahoraga so it adapts to heian sukuna's moves aswell
You can't use 2 different ct at the same time
@@chosen1337 you beat me to it lol
@@chosen1337 oh mb i forgot about that
20 finger yujikuna slams both
Miwakuna>>>all three
@@Novakage-g5n i can't imagine miwa losing
Heian era Sukuna slams Yujikuna and Meguna at the same time with two arms tied behind his back
There is exactly zero evidence to suggest true form sukuna is any stronger or faster than meguna. And furthermore, I’d argue that having the 10S, specifically mahoraga, is infinitely more useful than two extra arms and a mouth.
not only that, but if Heian sukuna was stronger than the whole ass ten shadows technique, why did he choose to stay in megumi's body for the most important fight of his life?
@@clayless8701CUZ HE wanted the space slash to make himself stronger.
@@clayless8701 It was stated he purposely halted the transformation because he want to save it for later since continuing the transformation allow him to get a free heal. He knew he gonna get jump after killing Gojo.
His Heian form also physically more powerful and have massive advantages over sorcerers. It literally stated and shown. The only reason his Heian form didnt one shot everyone because of Yuji punches make his control over Megumi weakening causing his CE output to suffer.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial it is never once stated that he purposefully halted the transformation.
And like I said, there is exactly zero evidence to even remotely suggest that his true form was any stronger or faster. If anything, the exact opposite is true, he kept up with Gojo while in his meguna form and was getting constantly tagged by fodder while in his true form.
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial Yes, the delayed transformation allowed for a free heal, but the much more important factor is the fact that 10 shadows was useless at that point, so there was no longer a benefit to staying inside megumi (pause). He would have stayed in megumi (pause) if he still had his summons, since Agito was free heals too and the summons could fend off opps so he could avoid getting jumped
For the heian form physical buffs, an extra set of arms and mouth were overglazed. Being able to chant and do hand signs and shi didn't really help him that much, especially since he only did WCS like twice after gojo died. Yeah he had heavenly-restriction-esque mobility buffs but he was already able to move that fast in megumi's body (pause) anyway. U saying he'd 1-tap everyone is pure cap since yuji didn't even start his soul combos until a lil later in the fight anyway. The reason he wasn't able to 1 shot everyone was because he'd been drained from fighting gojo. Even in megumi (pause) he would have 1 shotted everyone in this hypothetical full power situation cause he'd be spamming domains
This match up is really dumb if you really think deep about it.
Yeah true
meguna annihilates
Mahoraga will beat the shit out of heian era sukuna since Mahoraga has adapted to cleave and dismantle and only needs to adapt to divine flame. Which meguna should be able to hit him with in a lower output to make him immune to everything heian era sukuna has to offer.
We don t know if he keeps the adaptation,especially that he was killed 😭your making your own headcannon
Mahoraga is still to slow and weak to be able to kill sukuna
And sukuna would probably make a binding vow to change his technic is some type away so mahoraga has to adapt again
@@Dosenotexist yh but he didnt get a reset that only happens when theres a new 10s user meguna is exception since hes in megumis body
problem is mahoraga gets one shotted by a full dismantle from heian sukuna.
@@tobias8351 he is immune to dismantle and also has the world cutting dismantle.
Gojo > heian sukuna
Gojo < meguna(help of the ten shadows)
Stop the cope please
It's because the 10 shadows technique is the perfect counter for the infinity but heian era would still defeat meguna overall
@@Oknahidwin sukuna only won because of a binding vow just so you remember
@@rngss9541 binding vows are part of the power system. Tf type of comment is this?
@@Oknahidwin I'm just telling you he won via binding vow so dont act like he dominates gojo in a 1v1 when clearly it will be extreme dif between gojo or sukuna (could go anyway)
Gojo destroys both
Nah
Lmao
@@Novakage-g5n its true. 1000%. Not close.
@@vihaan_17 whatever
@@vihaan_17Literally loses to Meguna and gets violated by Heian era Sukuna
The world cutting slash only cuts space not time
And also, it was never stated that sukuna can’t use the ten shadows anymore after transforming
But I think gojo destroyed all the shadow which he never used them
So technically a theoretical strongest sukuna would be in megumin body with all finger, technique including all ten shadows and world cutting slash, cursed tools, and max CE and RCE output
This theoretical sukuna would fodderize the whole verse many times over
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Meguna isn't stronger physically but has the tools to beat heian era sukuna.
Indeed 😊
He can't. Mahoraga gets one tapped and Heian era Sukuna just wins straight because of his higher output.
The sukuna lost because sukuna was not able to fully control megumi body fully and thats why he lost
That's relevant to the video because?
No shit that was the plan and Yuji’s main job
Another weirdo sukuna rider. And gojo loss to sukuna because of plot armor since sukuna is gege's favorite. Thats how annoying you sound:
@@NonAryanDuckgod
That’s just wrong. He was in full controle
Both are not even close to Gojo's lvl
Rage bait
@@Invedian nope, hes right.
@@friendly7724 no i think it's rage bait because gojo isn't back
@@NoSound. where is the link btw he's not back and the facts that they are not at all at gojo's lvl?
@@dracyelyes8043 what link? Also what btw means?
I really think JJK can’t read. Meguna should demolish Heian Sukuna with Mahoraga and Agito even without learning World Slash. People think Heian Sukuna is stronger because of Gege poor writing without backing it up
Both are gojo victimizer
Glaze
@@CoolOkay_ nah it is facts and it hurts the normal gojo glazer.
@@mohamedbinishaq3169 Naw, it's just glaze
@@CoolOkay_ nah fax and you need to cope with your halfjo lol
Gojo is stronger than both if you didnt realise this from reading the manga then just stop reading manga
and meguna smokes heian era on low difficulty