Ford BARRA Vs The World (LS1, 2JZ, K24, RB) | Is it the BEST Engine for a Swap?
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2022
- Is the Ford Barra the most overrated engine of all time? Lets find out.
A go to for every engine conversion rev head is the 4.0L DOHC Ford Barra engine. Big cubes, robust bottom end, they are unbeatable and make 1000hp easy... right? RIGHT?
In this video, we'll put the Ford Barra under the microscope and see just how good it is, or if its in fact overrated.
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So what do you think ? Overrated or not ? (By the way, for out American friends, when I say ‘gas engine’, that refers to lpg/propane, not petrol)
Broomy you will also need a six pack of ear plugs :)
You know your going to stir up some hate, here mate... You'll have a Barra fanboi put out a hit on you if you keep this up... 😂
Edit;;I about to watch the vid, just reacting to the title... 😉
@@danielbrealey2924 Only if they don't watch the whole video before commenting 🙂
One thing not mentioned here is the reason the falcon 6cyls were so good as they could do extremely high mileage due to the cast iron the blocks were made from. In Reco shops i worked in it was rare to see a falcon with excessive wear in the bores in fact we did not see many falcons at all compared with holdens etc. Even with a power hone it always took longer to hone out a falcon block after boring than it did a holden etc. This is the main reason they were to go to vehicle for Taxi work.
As an AU owner, my opinion is that the shock of the ugly looks has subsided for most people and they have now realised how good of a mechanical package the AU is (or was, seeing as how old they are now).
Great video, the original 250, that came out in the early 1970's, was almost indestructible back then. And Ford kept developing from that for over 50 years, designed for Australia's harshest conditions, that is why I believe the Barra, is the ultimate 6 pack, designed for reliability first, and foremost.
It's slept on here in America. I only learned of It's existence on Sunday the 16th and I want to do this swap on my R33.
The unofficial code name for the turbo variant was the gull, as in seagull because after testing they knew with a few mods 'it could shit on everything from a great height".
Hey, hey, hey, lets not throw too much shade at the mighty AU! Yes, it may have been a sales flop, but that was only because it looked different. They ate far from being a lemon! Mechanically far superior in almost every way to other Falcons that came before or after it! The AU IRS is the best Ford ever made. It may only have one cam, but as you said, the Intech is just as capable with some money thrown at it. Also, in my opinion, the best looking and most comfortable interior of any Falcon! I'm not a fan fanboy though! 😝
Best interior? You surely are having a laugh?
@@TilyXR6 have you been in one? Except for the radio surround and the roof console, every interior part is ‘good’ quality, soft touch, far superior compared to most European or Japanese car from the era. Yes ford had their oval fetish however sitting inside one will completely change your mind. I personally hated the interior prior but since owning one with an open mind it’s much better than anything at the price point of a automotive vehicle
@@winstonjiang9126 I have found the AU interiors wear really well. Mine is 23 years old and it still looks like it has had barely any use at all. Mechanically, the rest of the car is the same. For 230k kms, it runs like new. If I am going somewhere remote, or I need to 100% guarantee I arrive at my location, I take the AU. Bloody brilliant cars.
Great vid Broomy, you cant deny the affordability and power potential of the of the mighty Barra. By the way the 1971 XY Falcon was the intro for the 250 motor.
Great video! One thing though, although parts are harder to get for a 1/2J supercheap still have loads of stuff for them however there might be a few days wait on things.
Its horses for courses, you talk about area under the curve which might be what you want for a street/strip car but the 1jz owns the drift area, super responsive and loves high rpm / limiter.
At the end of the day any motor you choose wether it be barra jz rb 4g63.. theyre all going to need gaskets, studs valve springs, management to make relible power over a certian threshold
Toymota 2J, a decent engine but vastly overrated. . When you throw all the Toymota parts away and use the aftermarket race parts only they are still behind the 8 ball. 2J V LS or Coyote in drifting,, no comparison.
@@ldnwholesale8552 2JZ is universally agreed to be one of the greatest engines of all time, not sure how u say its overrated.
@@rickjames3034 universally? Ye nah I don't think so
@@rickjames3034 ahh, no, not at all. Jay from Realstreet has run multiple 6sec passes in a 2jz mk4 supra, so, I think he knows what he is talking about. Jay said they swapped to a billet 2jz block due to the factory 2jz block deck warping at 1700-1800hp. That is the 2jz block limit.
A partially grouted Barra can make 2500hp, and be driven on the street.
The barra is a nice format but parts are expensive and they have a couple week points. Our 3800 used a stock block/crank, stock oil pump, stock flex plate, tty main bolts, intake will do 600kw, just people hate how they sound. You can get 3800 for free lol..
6 to 1 header or proper long tube headers tuned for peak rpm make these sound like a 2j
The fix I heard was done. After torqueing the bolts. Spotted welded them to stop backing off
Having owned every version of the big Ford 6 the Barra sure does tick the boxes for a economical build.
Keep up the great work Broomy👍
I’ve owned a cross flow alloy head 250, an efi 250, an tbi 3.9 and the Barra. They just keep going and going !
We chose the Barra for our VC Commodore for these very reasons. While it doesn't make 500rwkw, we are wrapped with the results so far and the whole conversion owes us well under 10k including the original purchase of the car. :o)
I watched the build series on Garage Built Customs, it turned out great but haven't seen much from him lately and hope he's doing ok and back at it soon.
@@davidt3196 The cars been finished and picking it up this weekend from the dyno tuner who helped bring the whole package together. We'll be uploading more video of the car on our own Chanel soon
Having owned a few BF falcon wagons over the years and still do; the stock gas engine has never been an issue. Rock solid reliable!
Great video I own a FG FPV F6, it has the absolute works all what you have mentioned plus more. Wont go through the list. And 8 years ago we spat a rod.
$2500 does that include any of the labour?
Mate one of the best researched and put together balanced point of view of the BARRA 6. I was 22 when the turbo Falcons came out and knew we were onto a winner.
Love my 1300hp XR6 BARRA!
Good video broomy,so far my territory turbo has everything done to it's barra except forged rods and pistons.
Also has nizpro intake plenum and a atp high flow turbo and a plazy pro 1000 cooler ect..ect .makes 400all wheel kw's at 21psi on 98 and water meth.
This I've set this as my limit.Been running this for over a year so far😁
Hi Broomy
I have a 2021 Ford Widtrak twin turbo and am a little concerned with it standing up to towing my 3T van long term. My tough bubble was to do a Turbo Barra swap.
Can you give any advice as to issues likely and what should I be looking to pay for this conversion.
Cheers, Matt
Congratulations for hitting peak clickbait title, ha ha
Also, kids today don't appreciate how hard it was (and expensive) to make horsepower back in the day.
They rattle off "yeah my car has 450rwkws" like it's no big deal. That's MASSIVE.
(old man yelling at cloud rant over)
Amen brother 👍
Yup. But... making 750hp on a stock $200 wrecker green top (for a short while anyhow) is a marvelous bargain.
Have a 5.4 3v coming to its end. Thinking about doing this swap vs doing a stroker kit and twins. How’s the barra TQ low and mid range?
Great video! I’m from the US and love the Barra! My only complaint is that when you compare costs, your not comparing apples to apples. Recommendation would be to compare a junkyard barra to junkyard LS to junkyard small block Chevy. Great content though. I am subscribed now.
The barra is said to be able to be made into a beast. The power range is incredible. $$$ gets you there
I don't think anyone is expecting to make 1000hp on any engine without upgrading everything internally
Stock block head crank have been proven to take over 1900hp
@@kiwi8. stock crank breaks at 1100-1300hp
@@dylandesmond so the 7 sec fg running over 1900 HP on a stock crank is my imagination?
@@dylandesmond an FG has done 7sec with over 1900hp with a stock crank lol
@@dylandesmond ive seen ls cranks break at much less
I'm just proud that this engine came out of Australia, powering one of this country's iconic cars. Need to stop you rubishing the AU though. It was a Wheels editor who started a narrative about the waterfall grill & the rest of the loser motoring press were to spineless to disagree. The actual sales figures see the XB & AU as Falcon's two biggest selling models. (Ford Sales Figures) The AU was the last full model range Ford Australia offered, and today, the AU is recognised for the exceptional car it was. The Series 2 or 3 AU in Tickford XR guise, is one of the best allround Falcon's built. Double wishbone front & rear, IRS, LSD, Tremec, PBRs, and no driver aids. Oo===oO
Here here, facts brother!!! Well said, anyone who’s owned an AU will attest to their unbelievable mechanical ability and resilience if not their looks, the XR’s were one of the toughest looking fronts on a Falcon for many years and one of the best looking Supercars outright! Hi the Barra and the mighty AU!!!!!!! 👊👊👊
Well said, people who hate on the au only say it due to the media telling them it’s a rubbish car. Personally I hated the look but having an opened mind got me into a s2 xr6 factory manual and I can definitely say it drives and performs better than most Japanese sports cars in the price range and p plate legal specifications. Better quality interior compared to the Japanese and European counterparts and overall being Bulletproof from the ground up. My s2 xr6 will always be one of the best vehicles I’ve owned
@@lachlanwoods3940 Twenty one years continuous ownership for me doesn't lie..Owned a few cars in my time and it's the only one I can't bear the thought of getting rid of..Greatest quote I ever heard ..:"The AU Falcon will outlast religion " ..I also have a stunning FG XR6 as well ..Both awesome..
Where do you find all your torque specs for the baz I’m looking to build one
Bloody awesome video Broomy👍,even putting a N/A barra in a smaller lighter car is a bloody good improvement in most cases.
I personally love the single cam, sound better and love the limiter as my Ef did.
Rb gotta be the most overrated engine, needs a list of things to make 300kw and now cost atleast 2 even 3k for a longblock..
Yeah I was going to go RB30 in the rx4, but skylines and VL’s aren’t at wrecking yards anymore and 35 year old junker engines are worth big dollars.
@@BroomysGarage I live in NZ but I remember when rb30 engines were swapped for a box of beer, now people want 2k for them.
Used to be able to buy a 25det r32 making 300kw for 8k. Now people are asking that for an auto 20de..
RB30, in the late 80s so often had cracked heads and blown out exhaust stove boxes. No torque hence stupid for the era final drives. 3.9 in the Datsun. So just a full shitta out lasted by asthmatic 202s. And generally outperformed as well!!
Too make them go you need all the imports stuff like RB26 heads etc. VL turbo? Not really a great performer.
Mate you live under a rock not that I’m particularly biased but do you seriously think a vl turbo is not a performer? Dead stock and tired definitely not!but would still give any production Ford or Holden a run because they are all slow!stock turbo they can do 100 under 5 sec with decent exhaust and more boost and I’ve seen them make 900rwkw on stock un ported head try that with ya barra or intech or ls for that matter not to mention by numbers alone which has seen more sub 9s passes rb30 or anything Ford
@@needmoreboost8208 lad vl turbos put out 150kw stock at the fly. Would be lucky to get 8sec 0-100. If the stock rb30 head so so good, why people putting rb26 heads on em? Bud your geekn if ya think it holds a candle to a barra or LS, do some research first.
Always choose reliability and parts availability first then affordability and performance. After those criteria are met it doesn't really matter what you choose.
I have a 2000 Ford Ranger I want to engine swap for either a turbo Barra 4.0 6 cylinder, 363ci SBF with a centrifugal supercharger, or a head, cam, intake and turbo LS with a Frontier CD009 6 speed with an ultimate goal of 500-650whp
Hi ive got a 10 gen f250 was a triton 2v 5.4 considering a barra motor , your thoughts please
mark
2000 horsepower for $2k, what's not to like? And the sound! Like angels singing!
2000hp for only 200k!
Jumping in early before i watch the whole video...
Was the barra code named v8's just the 3 valve or the 4v boss too?
The 3V
@@BroomysGarage ok yeh thats what i thought you meant, by the way $2500 got me cams, that was it not even installed, 12grand - 300rwkw thats pretty much the limit for NA (as far as im told) in a 260boss 😔
Rods and gears and valvetrain, oh my! Sure they're a great engine, but realistically they're the humble 60's 200-cube six, first stroked to 250ci and then head-swapped for more modern architecture. They are long-stroke, well-breathing engines but you're in big-time rebuild town no matter what you're doing if you're looking performance.
The up-side is that you can fit a fair few bits on the cheap if you have one of the older jobs, even pushrod equipped XF falcons - the best selling Aussie car ever. Some pushrods, a cam, some 200ci Mustang cast pistons... those things will be at stock nat-asp Barra numbers in no time without. Now there's a sleeper for you!
Good video mate, keep up the work!
I don't understand this argument and you are not the first on here to make it. When you are chasing big HP then you are doing a full rebuild if you just bolt on things then what do you expect.
@@rybald1973 not much of an argument, just stating fact.
Hmmm as someone who has owned a couple of dozen AUs all the hate was just b/s. AU1 was a different car to AU2/3.
Personally I feel they were a decent looking car and they drove quite well. And the engines did not sound like a collection of paper clips! Rattledore! And no pogo sticks like the Bombadore.
A proper smooth double wishbone suspension with a smooth engine. That you could get in and drive 8 hours without feeling totally wrung out.
As for the BA?? It was an IRS AU but with all the weight screwed round. Heavier engine, fuel tank under the back seat and less boot room. Strange car in someways though did most things right,, once the dealer actually aligned the rear supposed to be done in the $999 predelivery. But they will make noisy tyres sound bloody awfull, put these tyres on an AU and the noise mostly goes away. Ride hard and noisy on 17" wheels but ok on OEM 16s. And get twice as many km from a set of tyres than a similar Crapadore.
The twincam engine has more poke than the single cam, though not a huge amount. The turbos were a different thing, plenty of power though the experts told me modded to 320k is as safe as they are. Later ones are better.
Base engine is in reality a 1959 144ci Falcon 6. Lengthened in about 1970 for the 250 ci capacity. Shared with the 200. A good standard base engine, reliable smooth and reasonably economical.. The 1976 cross flow went better and was reliable. Alloy head 1 ditto, alloy head 2 however ate rockers. I used to buy 2 dozen at a time. They also chewed up cams.
The original OHC engine had some basic issues, partly caused through cheap oil or prolonged services. The 3.9 multipoint was a good sharp engine, to me a better towcar engine than the EB 4.0. Why? Intake design I feel.
I currently pwn 3 FG utes, all quite different. A R6 08 with 5 speed auto and enough gearing to go to the moon, a 4 speed auto LPG 09 that has been quite good. Though NOT towing as the tranny gets hot and runs back in third gear. And a 14 base model LPG with 12-1comp with 6 speed auto. That is the best to drive and with LPG half the price or less than petrol currently ticks most boxes.
Meanwhile the opposition had torqueless noisy SAAB V6s and worse some Opel shitbox with front drive.
Where the barra truly shines is in a standard car with a turbo barra, drive into a shop and ask for more power. Hard to find another car that can make as much power with minimal changes.
There is a destroked one that revs well over 10k and does 6's on a lot of stock components.
I love the barra and want to swap one into my S550 Mustang. I've seen it done before, so here's hoping I can make it work too
Lots of good points, personally im a 1j fan , most parts are surprisingly easy to get your hands on at most auto shops as they share alot of parts as the na 2j which came in australia in the mark 4 supra , and the amount of people who broght over soarers and mark 3 supras , and then all the front cuts that ended up in cars, before barra the world and ls the world it was jz the world and because alot of people did motor conversions with them means it made abit of demand in the australian market, yes prices are through the roof these days but to make the 600rwkws in a stock 1jz all youd need is head studs (and a gasket and bearing kit depending on how many kms or how hard its lifes been) and all the bolt ons like the barra , no you cant go to a wrecker and get any part of a taxi to fix them but not much goes wrong with them, and for street ablility they may not have the torque of a barra but unless you have a monster turbo they have enough torque to not be sluggish in a 1-1.4ish tonne car on the street , and because of their shorter stroke you can rev them alot harder too .... and lets not forget their sweet sweet sounds they make .... this is all my personal oppinion and like i said im a big 1j fan having had one for the last 4 or so years
They are getting quite hard to lay your hands on though, getting expensive, and of course when you do find one, it's a 20 to 30+ year old engine, most often with a questionable history. Of course as stated, they are a much, much smaller package than the Barra, and they are globally much better supported for after market parts and expertise - but that's changing now too.
they need to be revved harder just to keep up lmao
why should u go to a lesser engine just because it can rev higher if that engine doesnt infact need to rev higher to make that power?
Never seen one here, betcha the tuners in Japan have not either. Seems that we are all using what is plentiful around us... best days to you and crew Broomy !
Toyota assisted in the barra 4v dohc head design. And... Toyota got that expertise from working with Yamaha.
@@nordic5490- Toyota has probably had their hands in more pies than anybody else. See how quick they get up to speed in any avenue they decide to try.
One thing not mentioned in your price comparison is the upgrade turbo, injectors, tuning etc to make the 650hp target. Not really comparing apples with apples.
great video broomy!
Great info, Broomy, as always.
That was definitely not a fair comparison. A $600 market place engine vs a crate motor is not a comparison. You can buy 350s etc 5L and even 2jz GE off market place for about the same money. The 2jz GE will handle the same power with the same upgrades and you don't need to change rods or oil pumps. The 1jz will so the same. The LS will cope with that power fairly standard. Remember you aren't adding in the turbo and accessories. Several engines out there that can make that power without pushing them. Even an RB cam do it if you setup properly. In fact you could probably piece together an rb2530 for around 2500-3000 not including turbo or ecu or injectors. Don't get me wrong, barras have their place and they are basically the new age JZ engine. But if you're going to actually so a comparison do it properly
Plenty of 100% dead stock $200 ex taxi green top barras making 480rwkw on e85, completely unopened, crazy valve float and all !
480rwkw = 650rwhp = 750crank hp assume 15% loss.
Great video mate, but You forgot about the mighty mang I think its a contender for this barra dollar and hp wise so to say it's unbeatable is a bit of a strech there man, not to mention the mang is a tiny engine so will fit in just about anything .. will be good to see what you do with the barra tho.
“The Mighty Mang” 😂😂😂 Thats an Oximoron if ever I’ve heard one! Please show me where a mang made 500kw at the wheels reliably and survived a fang around the industrial estate let alone a drag week or even just a whole track day? Absolute rubbish engines in all forms!! Sorry mate I’ve owned too many to sing their praises! 😂👊👎
@@lachlanwoods3940 fair call but I'll be showing how to make 500kw out of a stock one in the next year or so...
turbo rod and piston sets are different from factory/ the gudgeon pin's walk under full load on LPG rod and piston sets /the factory turbo has clips in the pistons to hold the gudgeon pin's in / be careful they will work and perform ok with LPG rod's but the gudgeon pin's can walk causing damage/ there are billet steel block and other parts motors built and racing in USA ?
Proper good video……. But you are forgetting the mighty N54. We rolled 700whp through a glide on a stock n54. However if you factor In turbo costs. China turbo n54 will chop 700whp Barras….. apparanty…. And cost a lot less.
How much did you pick your engine up for ? Just had a look at the cheapest listing on eBay is for $4500, with most around $5500-$6000.
@@BroomysGarage a wrecks with an engine can be had for around the $1000-2000. However going rate for a good motor is $4000 post covid tax. They used to $1000 back in the old days like 2019 haha
N54 still cheap in NZ, need downpipe kit to get more than 450whp tho
Ah ok. Yes, the good ol’ days. People complain these gas engines use to be $200 and are now $600. Give me a spell lol
@@BroomysGarage there are tones of other engines that stack up better than the 1J BMW Mercedes and Volvo all had had terrific strait 6s from the 90's through 2000 that could take near 2 bar and make 700hp with the standard head stud upgrade and good turbo then there's a handful of decent V6s that where also pretty sturdy from Nissan VW Toyota Mazda .No they don''t beat the economy of the Barra but they don''t fall miles behind either like you seem to think. Also I'm surprised you didn't mention how much Barra you can get for like 10 grand from several shops like ATOMIC
As soon as I could afford it I bought a BA XR6 Turbo, it was my dream car when they 1st come out and wish I got an FGX Sprint over the Mustang I ordered sight unseen when Ford officially announced they were coming, what an idiot I was!
We all make mistakes brother!!! I personally couldn’t justify the extra cost of the Sprints models so went with a pretty bog stock FGX manual Ute, spent the money I saved over time on all the good bits and it’s now a monster, still luv the sound of a blown coyote though!!! 👌👌
Yep, this is the same story that should be told about the LS. Have seen many make 800wheel a few times then bend a rod, developed a misfire and they kept driving and beating on it till the rod wore thru the bore then get to water. Any stock engine will have its limitations making double/triple the original power with any kind of reliability. I have 2 FGs and only plan on 600whp twice for that number and to back it up then will be turned back down to about 350ish and enjoy
I dont think its Overated just a beast of an engine
I got one just in time I think. I live in California and it wasn’t easy. I’m still in the process of building it. But I can’t wait until I can burn up the street.
I love the Barras and wish I'd put 1 in my vn instead of building up the buick v6, would've been way easier, cheaper and it'd be going by now instead it hasn't run in 3 yrs lol
I've spent roughly 5k including the turbo kit (it was 3k, maybe 1k on engine and probably the same in fittings and lines) to maybe make 400 atw if that🤞
For the same $ I could've done the barra and be capable of 600 rwhp and already be finished by now, tryna get parts for a s1 buick is rediculas.
I'm actually wanting to buy an xr6 as a daily but unfortunately banks are being real tight arses atm and I keep getting a big fat no 😔
Briefly considered barra in the challenger but then remembered it's still a fing challenger 🤣
Live n learn I supose, idk it might happen anyway if the buick expires 🤔
Though kinda like the idea of going 7s in a v6 Commodore 👌
Just buy a Ford & admit GMH are light weights who depend on USA powerplants.
@@forddriver8827 lol dude Ford's aren't even Ozzie so what's your point? 🤷♂️🤣
The barras origins from an American 6cyl from the 60s.
Majority of Ford oz or Holden did was based heavily on us and European cars, not much Ozzie about em lol
@@forddriver8827 so where do you think the 351in gtho came from some place called Cleveland ?
Ford Australia got ideas from the yank 6 and upgraded it over the years in aus. Same as the clevo. Aus took the clevo when the yanks put it out of order and improved it. But to say fords (I assume falcons you mean) ain't Aussie is laughable. The falcon is by far the most Aussie car there ever was. While Holden was quite literally a mix and match of isuzu , opel, chev/ buick, Nissan, Toyota.
@@uptheau2875 most of em sure but up till maybe the xa were all us based, the xt/xr/xw/xy was a redesign off the us 2 door version too , don't care still love em but let's not be naive lol
3rz with $3000 of mods will put you at 500hp at tyres.. they are pretty much same dollar per horsepower as barra 6... and yes there is 1500hp 3rzs in Australia,,, goodtime racing is 1 of them....
I have a couple barra 6s...
Ls1 daily, ,2jz not going, a couple 3rzs, and a couple compound turboed diesels... I have a variety of all the good stuff...
funny thing is the diesel is faster than the ls1 😄
Got two 1J’s but respect the 2K Barra 😝👍
Wow Broomy you have hit the ball out of the park with this one........
$22,500 and change to buy go faster goodies woweeeeeeeee
GREAT VID MAN LOVED IT ALL GREAT POINTS
I saw ford reps at a car show looking at a Monaro saying this is why we can't sell falcons, talking about the whale tooth au! Shame camera phones weren't really a thing back then
Sad thing is the "look" like a other brands do, was a "world" look, the AU had poor inspirations from a Taurus, which was the highest selling family car in USA but lowest in Australia due to its bum ugly looks and the fact if the tail lights were clear you wouldn't know it if was driving forward or reverse, later years Australian version Taurus came standard with a rear spoiler to reduce that look LOL.
I will give the Taurus one thing, it was built a lot better than the Exploder, whoops I meant Explorer(which looked good), one had a "Built with pride" sticker and the other didn't, working on them in a dealership you notice these things, especially when pre delivery weren't done right in Sydney dealerships and parts fell off them before 200km of driving, poorest assembled cars I have ever seen with crappy designed parts that you can not blame on anyone assembling them. (but they looked and went well, so they sold plenty).
I personally have a soft spot for the e series sohc engines. Probably shows you my age and the cars I grew up with hahaha. Those older sohc engines are very capable as well but will never be a Barra
My very first car (pride and joy) was a EB spac with a 5 speed. Would love to buy one again, but can’t justify the tripling of the price from when I bought it just for a project! It’s god damn cray cray
Real question is WHY do you need HP for the Public road??
Build something for the TRACK only instead!!
So I liked and commented first but I’ll be back after work to watch this in full
The insane stroke of nearly 100mm is it's major downfall imo, would probably be a better engine if they just destroked the hell out of it and made it square or oversquare. I also despise timing chains, all the best inline 6 engines of old had timing belts and they work fantastically. Chains add so much complexity with guides and lubrication
You can get a destroke crank but they aren't cheap and you end up with reduced capacity. I don't think there is enough in the bore to keep the capacity while making at even square let alone oversquare.
@@zbeasty it doesn't matter about reducing the capacity, the bore is huge anyway. Its just about getting piston speeds to a more reasonable level, as well as rod angles. A lot of high end tuners have destroked old engines in order to push more power without boring them out because the engine is less likely to fail due to a better rod/stroke ratio. Nothing a few psi of boost wont make up for anyway, and you can rev the engine higher which more than makes up for the loss of capacity.
At the end of the day you are always limited by the turbo not the engines displacement
@@zbeasty nope. Factory long stroke crank barras can make 1500hp even with factory cams ! (how much power do you want on the street?). Long stroke design gives waay more, bottom end torque, that makes for superiour street driving compared to 2jz or rb, pre spoolup, with much better response prespool, thus faster boost response.
Belts are unreliable that is the reason most manufacturers have gone back to chains. If designed properly most chain driven engines will last the life of the rest of the engine, while a belt driven one will need multiple replacements. The unreliability factor is the reason most moved back to chains as broken timing belts before the scheduled time are bad news for sales and brand reputation.
There is a destroked 3.8 litre barra that revs over 10k and does 6 second passes.
FANTASTIC video. Couldn't have said any of it better myself
Gas motors don't have turbo rods. It's a myth. They are exactly the same as na petrol rods
For any stock engine to make that hp it would obviously have to be built in some way
i hate when Americans sink their teeth straight into the xr8 and gt fpv’s instead of giving the barra a chance. Imo i think the falcon is primarily a 6 cylinder car not a v8 car i’ve gotten so used to the barra that it just fits so much better jn my mind
Think a 1uz, would be in the mix, for budget boosted magnificence...
The barras great and all but the vortec 4200, now thats an engine! Can make 600 wheel throgh an unlocked auto with a stock longblock! No headstuds, oil pump gears & backing plate or valve springs needed!
Don’t know why you’d want to import a Barra to the usa when you can just get one of those ! They seem like a good thing.
@@BroomysGarage The barras are awesome though, aesthetically nicer, ton more aftermarket support, and just fit the bill so much better on all the cool fox chassis cars we have here. I was being a bit hyperbolic about the 4200 lol it gets like 1/4 of the attention of the barra does here lol! Love the build though
Seem like a good engine though. For the cost of getting one in the usa and the parts you have to put in it, not sure why more people haven’t gone down the 4200 path for a 500hp street car really.
@@BroomysGarage the vortec 4200 stuff just has no aftermarket support. The only off the shelf performance oreinted items for them is an exhaust manifold flange, schneider reground cams and some forged rods made by molnar. Everything else has to be 1 off custom stuff. The engine debuted in a 2005 drag week video 1320 did, in a nova wagon and the car it debuted in ran great was one of the fastest cars there and was rumored to have made over 1000hp at the time, but it got DQ'd cause he was caught trailering it from track to track so the car was basically black listed from any sort of media coverage besides that 1320video which was only available on DVD through them, also the shop who built the engine was super duper secretive and wouldnt give you the time of day unless you had your wallet out with $ in hand. Since the engine only came in SUV's it almost got no attention. Honestly if it wasnt for all the hype around the barra no one wouldve even found out about the vortec 4200. They are pretty slept on, the guy pushing them now has made 750 reliably through a th400 with just $150 valvesprings meant for a 2jz and reground stock cams, and a $600 balancer meant to help with harmonics at 7500rpm. His youtube channel is "nivlac57", i think he's competeing in the midwest dragweek right now.
Check Nivlac57 channel he’s got some 4200s running real good!
Gr8 engines ..that's why there's so many at the drags doing 6.to 8 seconds quarter in any cars Rb 30s are gone u see vl with barra
Talking up the 1JZ? You know you're supposed to tell us if this video was sponsored by Goleby's, right? :-D
Great video well done. Barra the world
Awesome engine, one of the best they are. 🍻
They are pretty good for what they are
Pretty decent power for not a whole lot of money
They don’t sound the Best But the HP from them is worth it
I had a Barra in my 260z and end up pulling it out and putting a LS1 in there
Your right about them being a very tall engine
It was a nightmare to fit in the Datsun in the right spot
Very tall and felt a bit front end heavy in the Datsun
Ultimately I liked the sounds of the NA v8 a bit more
Each to their own
They sound a ton better once you get a tubular manifold and recirculate the wastegate. Can't think of any inline 6 that sounds good with a stock log turbo manifold.
I was thinking a big contributor to going to LS was, size, weight and the biggest thing is sound, I am an old Ford boy, respect the Barra but wouldn't want to listen to it for hours on end like a V8, the annoying 6 cylinder drone unless it is choked up, probably the only thing worse would be a rotary (The rotary is the Fran Dresser of engines, man you want to drive it hard, but sooner or later you would want and endless supply of ear plugs)
@@jasonmc4460 yep well said
They do drone like crazy when they have a big exhaust
Imagine how much a gtr gonna cost💀
great video
overrated maybe compared to 2J and some LS, but there is nothing else like it from the australian domestic market, they are everywhere and cheap as chips.
Will never get rid of my EcoLpi
I could say the Barra is over rated Broomy but you and I both know it's all Luke and Geordie's fault anyway for making it that with the Nizpro video and then with all the $2K Barra stickers and memes. 😁👍
Ford 300 inline 6. Research is needed
1000kw barra 14k aud
Soul less engine. Heaps of potential and very reliable. Missing a certain something but.
Still have one in my car and a greentop to strap a gt42 on soon
I'd still prefer a well built Mang monster V6, people give them away when they waste Thier money on an ls, throw a turbo, head studs and valve springs at it and you can make 400whp for pretty cheap
They sound like trash though
I suppose when the mang kicks a leg out of bed chances are you will be able to re use the turbo, valve springs and maybe head studs on the next 15 of them you throw into the VS! 😂😂😂😂👊
LS is more overrated. Not much power in standard form, are not cheap to mod contrary to what the internet says, oh and they sound effing dreadful.
I wouldnt say overrated, maybe thats the case for australia cause i dont think you guys ever got 5.3/4.8 stuff. But they're very good bang for $ here in the states. Some guys in max effort fordm using methanol have made 1400 (based on ET and MPH) with stock bottom end 4.8s.
@@thewraith6360 4.8 1/8th mile, yawn - we run 1/4 mile here in Oz
@@nordic5490 thats why cars are faster in the states and we have all the LS records 🤣🤣
I'm from America, what the hell is a barra lol
Fish
Surely they are over rated? I mean I wouldn't pick up a running and driving albeit slightly accident damaged complete Territory for $500 if they were so great?
Can you just stop, I came here for the rotors and now you're making me want to spend money on the tow car.
Barra stomps the 1/2jz.
Nope! Definitely, without a doubt one of the greatest engines ever made! I want one please!
Start with a second hand Chev and you can build for roughly the same price, comparing a 20 year old Barra to a brand new crate engine is not really apples to apples
Plenty of 100% dead stock $200 ex taxi green top barras making 480rwkw on e85, completely unopened, crazy valve float and all !
480rwkw = 650rwhp = 750crank hp assume 15% loss.
Underrated!
Get on it. 35 years ago everyone was stuffing 350 chevs in everything, smash the Aussie great.
So next you will be telling us the Holden v6 is good for something other than a boat mooring…
The Barra is a weapon
The only people who don’t like it are GM tragic’s
i love that u mentinoned the cortina thats exactly my plan. barra a cortina
Overrated?
No way brah.
$2k barra the world 🤣
A little bit of money,😅🤣😭😛
Cammed, arp studded, stock 1UZ on boost…
And no bottom end torque = crap to drive
Nice spiel 😎👍
So wanted to get my old mans 1987 maroon XF falcon keep it grandpa spec and barra the fuck out of that!!! 🍻👍
I’d like a visual representation of how you “Barra the fuck” outta an XF???? They were made for the Barra swap! 👌👌😂😂
@@lachlanwoods3940 may have been drunk when posting that comment 🤣👍🍻
Nice!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
I love them I’m doing vp wagon Barra on my UA-cam channel
1j and 2j more money and way bigger potential then the barra
1,500,382%
It's overrated af. Shit just breaks on them and they actually can't handle that much power unless you drop a house deposit into it. Engine also isn't cheap to build up. They also don't pull as hard as people think, stock form they're slugs. 300-400rwkw they still get chopped by cars such as rs3, a45 amg, mustangs...
They're decent engines but definitely overhyped
Ha ha ha. Plenty of 100% dead stock $200 ex taxi green top barras making 480rwkw on e85, completely unopened, crazy valve float and all !
480rwkw = 650rwhp = 750crank hp assume 15% loss.
How much is your rs3 or a45 amg ? That $200 750 hp engine has monster toque due to its long stroke design, something the rs3 or a45 does not have. Area under curve makes for a better street car.
@@nordic5490 doesn't matter how much power your stupid barra makes, still go slow as. A 500rwkw barra wouldn't stand a chance against a rs3/a45 making 300kw. Just embarrassing, all power and still no go. They just spin and lost traction. Most pointless cars to mod up. Hope every barra car out there is written off
@@94toxic94 dude did you miss that video of the dude in the modified rs3 talking mad shit and got gapped by a fg full of people and skinny ass stockies on the back