A barra in a mustang just works so good doesn't it 👌 beats that God awful 3.7 v6 they have 🤣 I'd go the ecoboost over the v6 any day lol but in reality of course you'd get the 5L 👌
Nice video, my favourite motor is the BF, really nice torque curve at low rpm, max torque is at 2500rpm and all the way to 2500rpm is producing more torque than the FG motor in stock form petrol homologation. FG produces slightly more torque but this is produced at above 3000rpm only.
Great video. Really informative. It’d be great to see a similar video comparing the BA,BF, and FG silver top engines. For those that are more budget conscious and doing an NA + T conversion it’d be interesting to know if there are any internal differences as there seems to be alot of mixed information out there.
TBH I don’t really gaf about Barras, green tops or thick rods. But your video and edit skills are amazing. Very entertaining, your front of camera presence and cut choices are astounding. You will go far.
Mate, thanks for the ripper comment! I appreciate it. I have some other cars and engines i'll be doing videos on in the future so hopefully you can stick around and check those out! Cheers.
Thanks for the brilliant video mate, awesome quality, no wasted time, excellent editing, very useful information. My cheap 'project car' is a June 2003 BA wagon, with 522,000km original engine/auto/diff. Have renewed the timing chain cover gasket to fix that leak, but still have a small leak from the rear of the sump dammit. My 'project' is to see if I can get it over the million km's finish line.
Awesome video dude, well done for taking the time and actually showing the results. Maybe look into the block differences, like water outlet on fg (left hand rear) and do the engine mounts interchange?.
Even tho i dont live on Australia and have no access to barra engines i was curius about it. As a mechanic i LOVE that thingy thing that holds the chain in place to no miss a tooth down when doing work on the cams with the engine on the car.. all manufacters should be like this. Also this engine reminds me some how the 2jz and all Toyotas 4.5 land Cruiser engine similar structure nice vídeo
LOVED the video mate! Watched it from start to finish and was very much entertained. You are underrated AF and deserve WAY more subs. Great video! Subbed!
Good video mate , i love these henry 6 potters , i have the barra`s little brother the VCT in the xr6 , drove it as a tow car and family taxi for 17 years until the body was very tired in need of major TLC , retired her as i`m now to old to be spannering cars unfortunately and drove her into the front yard with being completely unopened with original head gasket it left the factory with and still running like a beauty except for a bit of timing chain/guide rattle . if anyone wants to talk about green , here are engines that go for a long long time and are shit easy and cheap to give a freshen up to go another life time .
Go the Intech and VCT SOHC.....Barra's are great ..I have one in my FG XR6 but my old 2001 AU ll Futura Intech just goes and goes and goes .. Penrite oil fixed a very slight lifter chatter and quiet as a church mouse now ..She occasionally has a squeaky dash and if it's dry for a while a sway bar rubber will squeak over speed bumps ..I love the old girl ..Another thing about the AU's with the inline 6 ... Out of production for two decades and they are still EVERYWHERE in decent numbers . Never ceases to amaze me ...Such a good car ..
The first part of the number is the design or production year, 1R = 2001 AU2 (yes the NA rods are the same as AU2), 3R = 2003 BA, 5R - 2005 BF, 7R - 2007 FG (also 8R), AR - 2010 MKII (A=10 in hexadecimal).
Thanks for the info! Can you shed any light on the camshaft part numbers? i have 2x sets of BF camshafts (one from an NA motor and one from an LPG motor) with the part number 5R296250 on both int & exh cams. Theres another set of numbers but they are completely different. As far as i was aware all the camshafts were the same spec.
Great video mate haven't seen alot of greentops in NZ but they do come up, would definitely be good insurance doing a na +t conversion considering they go for quite cheap
Gday mate fantastic video.just what I was looking for the truth. I'm a proud owner bf green.top barra 06 model ute. 333,000ks on the clock in years ive had it use penrite oil.only harmonic balancer to rear main seals have been done and motor runs like gem. Very happy with yr disabling the motors very interesting and well explained.
I used the recommended penrite oil in the diff on my Ba big mistake there are 2 seals listed for the pinion one is for synthetic one is for mineral oil. The pentite recommended oil was synthetic it destroyed the seal after a month oil everywhere under my once spotless ba xr6 turbo ute. I am now very wary of using synthetic oil in older cars a pinion seal is the same type of seal as a front and rear seal and if you use synthetic oil with a seal that was never made for it it destroys them.
About time someone cleared this up too many muppets talkin b.s thinking they know when they dont.i think it's a bit of a lucky dip with the ba engine having the 3r rods
Good vid. There goes the cheap BA motors! Didnt happen to measure the head gaskets thicknesses did you? Also, i think you will find those oil leaks were from the power steering pumps. They are infamous for leaking, and they leak down onto the alternator, which slowly kills them and spreads the oil to the timing case.
One thing I would love to know more about is the eco-lpi other than the obvious 12:1 comp ratio I've been told they have the pencil skinny rods with press fit pins which doesn't make Sense why ford would go backwards like that 🤔
Good video. My theory on why people incorrectly think the BA green top has the spaghetti rods is because early BA turbo engines only had the weak rods.
@@maxgood42 They would be lighter for slightly better throttle response due to a slightly lighter spinning mass. They would not gain you better power and you run the risk of bending one or two if you have a backfire. That's why Ford fitted stronger rods in the first place. If you want better power (and probably better economy) a less restrictive exhaust system and a set of extractors is far less messing about. a K&N or BMC re usable air filter and a Territory duct may help too.
@@jamesforge8107 yeah didn’t think of that plus I guess it may mess up the secondary balance too. Was also thinking about taking off the lpg throttle body and using a 255 mixer in place like the factory VT gas has
@@maxgood42 I have a dual fuel BA. I fitted it with the Egas throttle body. Yeah it's a restriction but it was a massive improvement over the mixer ring that was silasticed into the duct. More power and better economy. Never crossed my mind to use VT parts. It's all about to be replaced with an Egas engine running petrol injection and LPG vapour injection. With it's slightly higher compression and the vapour injection it should run better on LPG and on Petrol (probably 95 octane) than it ever has.
Thanks for watching mate! At the time of filming, i wasn't aware what was actually different between the motors. I've since found out the BAs have 10.7:1 compression and BF/FG are 10.3:1. The FG mk2 has the ecoLPI and has 12:1 compression. The rumor is ecoLPI went back to skinny rods but i have pulled one apart to look yet.
Thanks for sharing this informative video. I’d be interested to know if the much higher technology (12:1 compression ratio & EFI) EcoLPI “Barra” six has the thicker con-rods too, and also which valves they have, etc. 🚙
@@EverythingFuzzY Be interesting to see the FG mk2 engine as it would seem a backwards step to have the skinny rods while upping the compression so much.
@@5lcalais1 , thanks for your reply. Calling the con-rods that Barra six engines other than the “green top” E-gas engines got, then later, the turbocharged engines got,, as “skinny” is probably inaccurate. I expect the E-gas (carbureted LPG) engines got the thicker con-rods to resist bending if a back-fire occurs in the intake manifold when an intake valve is still open for a cylinder with a piston travelling up the cylinder. Such a situation is probably impossible with the (liquid phase EFI of LPG) EcoLPI engines, because their intake manifolds should only ever have air in them (no fuel mixture). As for the EcoLPI Barra engine’s 12:1 compression ratio, even higher compression may have been considered, but I expect the lowest equivalent octane rated LPG available at fuel station pumps had to be allowed for. The standard EcoLPI engines generate more torque & power than the naturally aspirated petrol Barra sixes. They’re excellent! One would think it’d have been better from a logistical & reliability standpoint, for Ford to have equipped all later Barra six engines with the thicker con-rods introduced in the E-gas engine. Do you have any links to factual information about the EcoLPI engine’s connecting rods that you can share here? I’d be interested to read more. Cheers. 🚙
Great video Mate , I didn’t know about the differences in the transmission plates between fg and b series or the fg gas head has the non Swirl head aka b series head .
2x of them were fine but one was split right in the center of the manifold. If i remember correctly it was the FG manifold gasket. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video mate, i know this was about rods but seeing as you talked about sumps and timing chains, maybe coulda talked about the differences with the cam phasers when you you were pulling them apart
@bin chicken boi I'll have a look at the phasers during the week when i have them apart again and let you guys know what i find. I've never heard that rumour before so will be interesting to find out!
Fantastic video! Thank you for taking the time to put this information out for everyone, I’m definitely a Berra fanboy but I’ll every own one lol. The ones that have already been imported are crazy expensive unfortunately
It is a terrific video....assuming you are overseas by your comments...Some don't know there is another amazing inline Ford straight six available and also capable of huge upgrading ..It's actually what the Barra evolved from and concluded in 2002 .. It was /is the 4.0 SOHC Intech .... Bottom end essentially the same as Barra but the head is single overhead cam and a few other differences ..I have an FG XR6 N/A Barra and an AU Futura with a beautiful sweet running Intech...love them both
That BA engine is a later one, you can tell by the triple filter OCVs, the first few months of gas engines had thin rods but you'd be pretty unlucky to find a surviving one. On the assembly line there were different heads for LPG, I was told by one of the engineers that they had different exhaust valves, whether or not they were the same as turbo I never checked. If the heads were the same as standard they wouldn't have bothered making sure only a different "gas" head was fitted.
@@HUNTER01101991 Oil Control Valves, they modulate flow to the variable cam phasers. The early ones were jamming so they fitted different valves with screen filters.
That is correct. I worked at a Ford dealer and there was a recall on the some gas motors because they came from the factory with the wrong head (n/a one). The recall was to remove the old head and replace it with a gas head. Difference being the gas head was rated for more heat because gas burns hotter than petrol.... At least that's what I was told.
@@EverythingFuzzY one thing I’ve struggled finding a picture of is the Barr’s engine number location. I’m building a bf xr6t for circuit work which is supposed to have a green top in it, trying to identify if it actually is. Great info on the bf block having both front and rear dipstick provisions
G'Day Mr Fuzzy,,Mate love this sorta sruff,,as for the BF cam shaft pitting,,have seen this sorta thing on BIG gear boxs,where the surface finish wernt up to spec,,the only other thing i could say and i really don't know,the coatings on cam running surface is chromed and the chroming was the factor to pitting,,May be oil was not good enough to remove hydraulic pressure between componants,,and oil is injected in to metal surface,,we used to call this spawling,, Just a Fun fact,,Did you now the oil in your hypoid diff evaporate between wearing surfaces,,under extreme loads.. Yeer didn;t beleive it me self,,but for sure,,again thanks for sharing,, Edit:: BIG gea box has 30 ton gears in them,,and run on white metal bearing carfully scrapped,(by Me),,
Thanks for watching and glad it helped you out! haha unfortunately no free barra, maybe i can get the wrecking yard to sponsor my next video? haha Checking out your videos now bud!
haha, this triggered flashbacks now of my old BF Cam sensor plugs having snapped off clips and the leaky spark plug wells.. guess it comes standard on an ex-taxi with 500k + kms on the clock...
I did have a question about the Crank, what ive been told is gas/turboed is forged, the rest is casted, so the gasser cranks can handle like 10x the power.. none the less, good bits of information to know!
Try and grab a 4n1(3/4/5) Mitsubishi engine for a project. All aluminum and one of the only diesel engines on the market (maybe the only one IIRC) with variable valve timing (intake). I doubt they will ever sell them in Australia again, as they removed them from their vehicle lineup (not overseas though).
This was mind blowing to see! I love how simple you made it and I think I now want one in LPG. Do you do engine conversions mate? Subscribed and will check out your other videos.
So basically, a gas motors good for a budget build if it's low K and if you can only get a high K gassy needing a tear down anyway, might aswell start with any old donk and chuck some decent rods/pistons at it.. Will need valve springs, pump gears and timing kit anyway if it's anything but half assed
Yup, i've been saying it for a while now. It's actually cheaper to buy a junkyard motor and build it up than to buy a turbo motor. Prices have skyrocketed lately.
Nice video The later model fgx engine had a different head i bought some taxi pack heads a while back they raised the compression on the last model the porting is staggered combustion chamber is smaller i have pics of this as i have been porting them and have documented the head there is very little change in the other model gas engines i run stainless steel valves but if you check the exhaust valves in the gas block they are not magnetic so they are either sodium filled or inconel, sodium valves are what they use in the rb 25det i build these aswell So all is safe It seems if the cams are worn it goes back to the oil pump having low pressure The only ford cams available now are fgx cams 1 part number for all Have fun building those they are a great engine
Yeah just like the timing cover, there is no sump gasket on the BF, only rtv silicone. Still has half moon seals on the ends of the sump though, thats where BF leaks, the rubber shrinks and goes brittle. Put plenty of rtv on new half moon seals so it can never happen again.
I wish we had these in America. Very cool motor. I thought the green tops where natural gas motors? I don’t know much about them. Hense why I’m watching
LPG injection not gas. It's injected as a liquid. Took years for Ford Australia to patent the system, eailer ford sixs from the 1980-1990 had LPG gas intake and petrol was a dog of a motor as it was not optimised for either, half the gas went out the aircleaner in burnt!!
I assume the FG one is the ecoLPI one with the LPG injection, while the other 2 have the LPG down the throttle body setup, like old down the carby throat LPG setups. If I’m right then the FG one will have injectors while the others won’t.
@@mickvonbornemann3824 No, FG mk1 had the LPG down the throttle same as the others. FG mk2 was ecoLPI and i have another video on that engine too, check it out!
Great vid, so much bs out there lol. I remember a forum thread that linked to an interview with the head of barra development who was specifically talking about myths and clearing up misinformation, and people in the forum were still saying stuff like 'actually my mate had this or that'. Unbelievable lol.
yea true i am an engine reconditioner that got out of the trade before the barra came along,. I now work in a place with a large workforce mainly males and it is funny to sit back and listen to blokes that really have no idea about engines dribble shit. A lot of the older common stuff even after decades i still have crank journal sizes bore sizes etc stuck in my head lol. i have a saying football and cars are the same everyone is an expert. My experience tells me that the bottom end of the ford 6 cyl is far more durable than anything around as the engine blocks seem to be made from better material hence the reason ford taxis could do such high ks. The internet is a great source of misinformation even magazines i read sometimes have mistakes about engines that were in some of our cars from the seventies and eighties.
Most fga engine can be turbocharged with out changing pistons hence extra oil passage splash grooves on pistons the others have to be changed to fga piston to turbo charge but there is 12 piston variants standard 16 turbo spec pistons
Were are you located? I've got a BA EGAS and I did an SCT Flash tune and Change the Exhaust with Extractors. I literally got 10kw more. The Tuner said my motor wasn't getting enough LPG that was the main problem. I can't remember what he said about a new specific mixer would boost up the power and change the DOHC to a Kelford Cam. I've had this car many year's it literally never missed a beat. Extremely reliable as i have always Used Nulon 15-40 Diesel and Irridum spark plugs. Always up to date. It has 245,000km. Would it be worth changing the Cams and retuning? Not because i want serious gain's but i just love driving this comfortable car and it's just still sluggish. Worse before the SCT FLASH AND EXHAUST system What's your opinion?
The EcoLPi is missing here i noticed. Would have been an even better comparison how ford finally perfected the LPG 6 in the end in comparison to prior cruder designs.
Thanks for watching! A lot of people asking about the LPI motor. If i ever end up with one of these engine i'll do a video on it. From what i've heard ford went back to the weaker conrods so they aren't a popular choice for conversions.
@@EverythingFuzzY Usually the case knowing Ford... especially the FG Great platform let down by bulls**t US influence. FG MK I - terrible denso a/c system, you're lucky to get 7.5°C at the vents FG MKII - they fixed it with a whole new system which was brilliant, my FG MKII G6E sits around 3.7°C at the vents. FG X - they went back to the older inferior system. With even smaller components. Similar temps to FG MK I
Good Vid , Nicely Done ! Another difference that iv'e noticed between my BF motor and the BA .Is the Sump , on my BF sump it has the mounting lugs for the Trans cooler . i think the BA is cooled through the radiator . I just got a 2003 , 220 Kl'm BA to replace my 2006, 338899 Kl'm with head gasket gone , still ran great , not hot , just foamed up the rocker box , I just put a liter of coolant in it every day , so other than do the head (Which could be cracked ? So i was told ) Some pitting on the cams in the BF. so I just got the 220kl'm BA . On the Knock sensors My BF had 2 and the BA 1 will that be a problem ? Or just add the 2 to the BA motor ?
One thing they all share in common is that most of them have been around the equator 15 times. The timing covers are too hard to seal, there is 3 opposing faces.
100 bucks for a motor? LOL by the time they land in South Africa they're going for the equivalent of $1000 to $5000 bucks a piece, depending who's selling and what model it is. Granted the turbos are up for between $4000 to $5000. Great video.
My coil packs plugs on my daily Mitsubishi challenger are the same type and they all snapped off 🙄 Just put zip ties around em to hold em in 🤷♂️🤣 It's a shit box though and soon to be replaced with a falcon or a territory, something barra 👌
Good video mate, good to see some myths busted. Thanks for repping the merch too.
Thanks for watching, guys and it’s my pleasure! Great hoodie 👌
That edit with cracking the head/main bolts was awesome, one of my favourite sounds ever. Good vid brother
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
Everytime I see one of these vids, I'm reminded how us in the states really missed out on these.
Love adamLZ's mustang barra. That engine should've been a factory option. Would've saved ford australia i reckon.
A barra in a mustang just works so good doesn't it 👌 beats that God awful 3.7 v6 they have 🤣 I'd go the ecoboost over the v6 any day lol but in reality of course you'd get the 5L 👌
Nice video, my favourite motor is the BF, really nice torque curve at low rpm, max torque is at 2500rpm and all the way to 2500rpm is producing more torque than the FG motor in stock form petrol homologation. FG produces slightly more torque but this is produced at above 3000rpm only.
Thanks for the info! I have a BF motor in my EB falcon and its great. Thanks for watching!
Great video. Really informative. It’d be great to see a similar video comparing the BA,BF, and FG silver top engines. For those that are more budget conscious and doing an NA + T conversion it’d be interesting to know if there are any internal differences as there seems to be alot of mixed information out there.
Great suggestion. Thanks for watching!
This video is a godsend. Great work mate!
Thanks for checking it out! Looking forward to seeing the barra in your kingswood!
OMG boost gumps I love your videos!!
TBH I don’t really gaf about Barras, green tops or thick rods. But your video and edit skills are amazing. Very entertaining, your front of camera presence and cut choices are astounding. You will go far.
Mate, thanks for the ripper comment! I appreciate it.
I have some other cars and engines i'll be doing videos on in the future so hopefully you can stick around and check those out! Cheers.
Thanks for the brilliant video mate, awesome quality, no wasted time, excellent editing, very useful information. My cheap 'project car' is a June 2003 BA wagon, with 522,000km original engine/auto/diff. Have renewed the timing chain cover gasket to fix that leak, but still have a small leak from the rear of the sump dammit. My 'project' is to see if I can get it over the million km's finish line.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it. 1 million km shouldn't be an issue at all! Good luck with it.
Awesome video dude, well done for taking the time and actually showing the results. Maybe look into the block differences, like water outlet on fg (left hand rear) and do the engine mounts interchange?.
Thanks, will do! Yeah, mounts are interchangeable from what i can tell.
Even tho i dont live on Australia and have no access to barra engines i was curius about it. As a mechanic i LOVE that thingy thing that holds the chain in place to no miss a tooth down when doing work on the cams with the engine on the car.. all manufacters should be like this. Also this engine reminds me some how the 2jz and all Toyotas 4.5 land Cruiser engine similar structure nice vídeo
I'm only 3 minutes in and it's one of the best video I've seen. Thanks.
Glad you like it mate, thanks for watching!
you read my mind
LOVED the video mate! Watched it from start to finish and was very much entertained. You are underrated AF and deserve WAY more subs. Great video! Subbed!
Haha thanks for the kind words! glad you enjoyed the video, more coming soon!
Nice video mate, good to see someone actually showing the correct info. 👍
Thanks for watching!
The crack of a head bolt is satisfying enough. But to hear it get time laps like that sounds awesome too!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
It's not an oil leak, it's the rust prevention system for the underbody of the car. :)
Good video mate , i love these henry 6 potters , i have the barra`s little brother the VCT in the xr6 , drove it as a tow car and family taxi for 17 years until the body was very tired in need of major TLC , retired her as i`m now to old to be spannering cars unfortunately and drove her into the front yard with being completely unopened with original head gasket it left the factory with and still running like a beauty except for a bit of timing chain/guide rattle .
if anyone wants to talk about green , here are engines that go for a long long time and are shit easy and cheap to give a freshen up to go another life time .
Go the Intech and VCT SOHC.....Barra's are great ..I have one in my FG XR6 but my old 2001 AU ll Futura Intech just goes and goes and goes .. Penrite oil fixed a very slight lifter chatter and quiet as a church mouse now ..She occasionally has a squeaky dash and if it's dry for a while a sway bar rubber will squeak over speed bumps ..I love the old girl ..Another thing about the AU's with the inline 6 ... Out of production for two decades and they are still EVERYWHERE in decent numbers . Never ceases to amaze me ...Such a good car ..
Interesting the similarities between the barra and GM atlas 4200 here in the states. Wish we got the barra here. I'd own one.
came for the barra goodness, stayed for the taste in music. Sick!
Glad you enjoyed it! thanks for watching
Cool vid, Very good reason why gas motors look very clean, because gas doesn't leave carbon deposits in the oil after combustion, unlike petrol.
100%
Thanks for watching mate!
That's because LPG is made up of less carbon molecules the petrol.
I know it’s been mentioned already but would love to see an ECOlpi engine as well, excellent vid
The first part of the number is the design or production year, 1R = 2001 AU2 (yes the NA rods are the same as AU2), 3R = 2003 BA, 5R - 2005 BF, 7R - 2007 FG (also 8R), AR - 2010 MKII (A=10 in hexadecimal).
Thanks for the info! Can you shed any light on the camshaft part numbers? i have 2x sets of BF camshafts (one from an NA motor and one from an LPG motor) with the part number 5R296250 on both int & exh cams.
Theres another set of numbers but they are completely different. As far as i was aware all the camshafts were the same spec.
Great video mate haven't seen alot of greentops in NZ but they do come up, would definitely be good insurance doing a na +t conversion considering they go for quite cheap
Awesome video bro! Extremely informative. That just answered a lot of questions. Thank you
Aweome vid mate, frothing on it and learnt heaps!
Can’t wait to see your next vid.
Thanks for watching. More to come!
Gday mate fantastic video.just what I was looking for the truth. I'm a proud owner bf green.top barra 06 model ute. 333,000ks on the clock in years ive had it use penrite oil.only harmonic balancer to rear main seals have been done and motor runs like gem. Very happy with yr disabling the motors very interesting and well explained.
Nice! Thanks for watching.
I used the recommended penrite oil in the diff on my Ba big mistake there are 2 seals listed for the pinion one is for synthetic one is for mineral oil. The pentite recommended oil was synthetic it destroyed the seal after a month oil everywhere under my once spotless ba xr6 turbo ute. I am now very wary of using synthetic oil in older cars a pinion seal is the same type of seal as a front and rear seal and if you use synthetic oil with a seal that was never made for it it destroys them.
About time someone cleared this up too many muppets talkin b.s thinking they know when they dont.i think it's a bit of a lucky dip with the ba engine having the 3r rods
Great video. I never believe what I read on the internet until I actually see it.
Good vid. There goes the cheap BA motors!
Didnt happen to measure the head gaskets thicknesses did you?
Also, i think you will find those oil leaks were from the power steering pumps. They are infamous for leaking, and they leak down onto the alternator, which slowly kills them and spreads the oil to the timing case.
Same as the dude who was repping them X5 etc Bemmer 6 speed boxes which were 150 at the wreckers in the States and worldwide. They a k plus now haha.
One thing I would love to know more about is the eco-lpi other than the obvious 12:1 comp ratio I've been told they have the pencil skinny rods with press fit pins which doesn't make Sense why ford would go backwards like that 🤔
A well needed video to end the gas boy questions. Great job 👍
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Good informative video and excellent sound track, love Warbirds
They're legends. Thanks for watching!
Good video. My theory on why people incorrectly think the BA green top has the spaghetti rods is because early BA turbo engines only had the weak rods.
I agree, mate. Thanks for watching!
Same, so if I was to put spaghetti rods in my stock lpg ba would they be lighter for a better power (not race but work ute) ?
@@maxgood42 They would be lighter for slightly better throttle response due to a slightly lighter spinning mass. They would not gain you better power and you run the risk of bending one or two if you have a backfire. That's why Ford fitted stronger rods in the first place.
If you want better power (and probably better economy) a less restrictive exhaust system and a set of extractors is far less messing about. a K&N or BMC re usable air filter and a Territory duct may help too.
@@jamesforge8107 yeah didn’t think of that plus I guess it may mess up the secondary balance too. Was also thinking about taking off the lpg throttle body and using a 255 mixer in place like the factory VT gas has
@@maxgood42 I have a dual fuel BA. I fitted it with the Egas throttle body. Yeah it's a restriction but it was a massive improvement over the mixer ring that was silasticed into the duct. More power and better economy. Never crossed my mind to use VT parts.
It's all about to be replaced with an Egas engine running petrol injection and LPG vapour injection. With it's slightly higher compression and the vapour injection it should run better on LPG and on Petrol (probably 95 octane) than it ever has.
Nice video mate! Could have also gone over compression ratios. Pretty sure it’s even higher in the FG engines especially if it’s and LPI motor
Thanks for watching mate!
At the time of filming, i wasn't aware what was actually different between the motors.
I've since found out the BAs have 10.7:1 compression and BF/FG are 10.3:1.
The FG mk2 has the ecoLPI and has 12:1 compression. The rumor is ecoLPI went back to skinny rods but i have pulled one apart to look yet.
Thanks for sharing this informative video.
I’d be interested to know if the much higher technology (12:1 compression ratio & EFI) EcoLPI “Barra” six has the thicker con-rods too, and also which valves they have, etc. 🚙
@@EverythingFuzzY Be interesting to see the FG mk2 engine as it would seem a backwards step to have the skinny rods while upping the compression so much.
@@lyndongordon2518 lpi have skinny rods , that's what all the top barra guys/shops have said 👍
Comps way too high in them anyway.
@@5lcalais1 , thanks for your reply.
Calling the con-rods that Barra six engines other than the “green top” E-gas engines got, then later, the turbocharged engines got,, as “skinny” is probably inaccurate. I expect the E-gas (carbureted LPG) engines got the thicker con-rods to resist bending if a back-fire occurs in the intake manifold when an intake valve is still open for a cylinder with a piston travelling up the cylinder. Such a situation is probably impossible with the (liquid phase EFI of LPG) EcoLPI engines, because their intake manifolds should only ever have air in them (no fuel mixture).
As for the EcoLPI Barra engine’s 12:1 compression ratio, even higher compression may have been considered, but I expect the lowest equivalent octane rated LPG available at fuel station pumps had to be allowed for. The standard EcoLPI engines generate more torque & power than the naturally aspirated petrol Barra sixes. They’re excellent!
One would think it’d have been better from a logistical & reliability standpoint, for Ford to have equipped all later Barra six engines with the thicker con-rods introduced in the E-gas engine. Do you have any links to factual information about the EcoLPI engine’s connecting rods that you can share here? I’d be interested to read more. Cheers. 🚙
My God them variable cam sensor electrical clips every barra I've touched them clips break😒 love the video man definitely keep it up👍
Every single barra i've ever worked on!!!! Always those VCT clips haha. Thanks for watching, mate!
Subbed mate, I got a gas Bf green top sitting in a ute with 610,000kms doesn't miss or use any oil only a work car lol
Thanks for watching and subscribing! They’re great engines.
@@EverythingFuzzY yeah and reliability is pretty good lol
Great video Mate , I didn’t know about the differences in the transmission plates between fg and b series or the fg gas head has the non Swirl head aka b series head .
Q: How were the intake manifold gaskets, were any split or cracked?
2x of them were fine but one was split right in the center of the manifold. If i remember correctly it was the FG manifold gasket. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video mate, i know this was about rods but seeing as you talked about sumps and timing chains, maybe coulda talked about the differences with the cam phasers when you you were pulling them apart
Cheers and thanks for watching! What do you believe the differences are in the cam phasers? i can check it out and have a look for you.
@@EverythingFuzzY rumor has it that the very early ba phasers have less physical movement than later ones ✌️
@bin chicken boi I'll have a look at the phasers during the week when i have them apart again and let you guys know what i find. I've never heard that rumour before so will be interesting to find out!
Thanks for the info 👍
Fantastic video! Thank you for taking the time to put this information out for everyone, I’m definitely a Berra fanboy but I’ll every own one lol. The ones that have already been imported are crazy expensive unfortunately
My pleasure, it's been a great learning experience for sure! Thanks for watching.
It is a terrific video....assuming you are overseas by your comments...Some don't know there is another amazing inline Ford straight six available and also capable of huge upgrading ..It's actually what the Barra evolved from and concluded in 2002 .. It was /is the 4.0 SOHC Intech .... Bottom end essentially the same as Barra but the head is single overhead cam and a few other differences ..I have an FG XR6 N/A Barra and an AU Futura with a beautiful sweet running Intech...love them both
That BA engine is a later one, you can tell by the triple filter OCVs, the first few months of gas engines had thin rods but you'd be pretty unlucky to find a surviving one. On the assembly line there were different heads for LPG, I was told by one of the engineers that they had different exhaust valves, whether or not they were the same as turbo I never checked. If the heads were the same as standard they wouldn't have bothered making sure only a different "gas" head was fitted.
What are the ocvs, ive got a ba greentop im trying to sus out without pulling it apart
@@HUNTER01101991 Oil Control Valves, they modulate flow to the variable cam phasers. The early ones were jamming so they fitted different valves with screen filters.
That is correct. I worked at a Ford dealer and there was a recall on the some gas motors because they came from the factory with the wrong head (n/a one). The recall was to remove the old head and replace it with a gas head. Difference being the gas head was rated for more heat because gas burns hotter than petrol.... At least that's what I was told.
This is fantastic. Thanks for this video. It’s been really handy.
Thanks for watching!
imma gunna give a like. I love your music choices man. 👍
Very informative mate. Answered many of my questions. Cheers
Glad to hear it!
Great vid mate, thanks for uploading!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@EverythingFuzzY one thing I’ve struggled finding a picture of is the Barr’s engine number location. I’m building a bf xr6t for circuit work which is supposed to have a green top in it, trying to identify if it actually is. Great info on the bf block having both front and rear dipstick provisions
G'Day Mr Fuzzy,,Mate love this sorta sruff,,as for the BF cam shaft pitting,,have seen this sorta thing on BIG gear boxs,where the surface finish wernt up to spec,,the only other thing i could say and i really don't know,the coatings on cam running surface is chromed and the chroming was the factor to pitting,,May be oil was not good enough to remove hydraulic pressure between componants,,and oil is injected in to metal surface,,we used to call this spawling,,
Just a Fun fact,,Did you now the oil in your hypoid diff evaporate between wearing surfaces,,under extreme loads..
Yeer didn;t beleive it me self,,but for sure,,again thanks for sharing,,
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BIG gea box has 30 ton gears in them,,and run on white metal bearing carfully scrapped,(by Me),,
Kucknoath bra solid vid
Great vid mate. Answers my questions. Do I get a free barra as I’m your 200th sub haha. Keep up the good work. I’ll check out your other vids.
Thanks for watching and glad it helped you out!
haha unfortunately no free barra, maybe i can get the wrecking yard to sponsor my next video? haha
Checking out your videos now bud!
great video, super informative for he newbies like myself,cheers
use a pick on the brittle conectors to break them less. still would repin them to new connectors or ones from spare harnesses in the back of the shop
mate quality work well done, and editing was classic, brilliant
Much appreciated!
I got a silver top and a red top barra love them both
haha, this triggered flashbacks now of my old BF Cam sensor plugs having snapped off clips and the leaky spark plug wells.. guess it comes standard on an ex-taxi with 500k + kms on the clock...
Thanks heaps for video...love the way you do it.... cheers
Thanks for watching, mate!
Would be good to see a video of the three petrol NA breakdown and differences
Working on it!
Great video thanks.
You're welcome!
Please do a video on what the difference between every Barra top means
Good video mate. Keep up the good work 👍👍
Thanks for checking it out!
@@EverythingFuzzY I was really curious myself knowing a bit about gas motors but good insites as well about the block
I did have a question about the Crank, what ive been told is gas/turboed is forged, the rest is casted, so the gasser cranks can handle like 10x the power..
none the less, good bits of information to know!
Cranks are all the same dude, as far as I know there is no difference.
Nice work mate
Thanks for watching!
Really Great Information Thank You
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Try and grab a 4n1(3/4/5) Mitsubishi engine for a project. All aluminum and one of the only diesel engines on the market (maybe the only one IIRC) with variable valve timing (intake). I doubt they will ever sell them in Australia again, as they removed them from their vehicle lineup (not overseas though).
This was mind blowing to see! I love how simple you made it and I think I now want one in LPG. Do you do engine conversions mate? Subscribed and will check out your other videos.
@Padma Dorjee feel free to email me info@everythingfuzzy.com.au
Love the music, top idea for a video mate
So basically, a gas motors good for a budget build if it's low K and if you can only get a high K gassy needing a tear down anyway, might aswell start with any old donk and chuck some decent rods/pistons at it..
Will need valve springs, pump gears and timing kit anyway if it's anything but half assed
Yup, i've been saying it for a while now.
It's actually cheaper to buy a junkyard motor and build it up than to buy a turbo motor. Prices have skyrocketed lately.
Awesome video mate 👌
Thanks for watching!
thanks for this great info, i want to go for a green top swap into an older ford after im off my Ps and this info was really helpful
Thanks for watching. Glad I could help!
Great video, keep up the good work
I never realised that the lpg fg engine never came with the plastic intake manifold or the fg style rocker cover
Good honest content 👍🏻🙂👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for checking it out!
Thanks for this video I appreciate the real information
Whats with the golden oil stained head is that because of high kms? Or lack of oil changes? Good vid 👍
That's what i've been told. Also the use of cheap oil maybe.
Excellent, interesting the BA pistons
Indeed!
Nice video
The later model fgx engine had a different head i bought some taxi pack heads a while back they raised the compression on the last model the porting is staggered combustion chamber is smaller i have pics of this as i have been porting them and have documented the head there is very little change in the other model gas engines i run stainless steel valves but if you check the exhaust valves in the gas block they are not magnetic so they are either sodium filled or inconel, sodium valves are what they use in the rb 25det i build these aswell
So all is safe
It seems if the cams are worn it goes back to the oil pump having low pressure
The only ford cams available now are fgx cams 1 part number for all
Have fun building those they are a great engine
Great video buddy
Thanks for the view!
The BA uses a different sump gasket to the BF as well.
Yep, that's correct, I forgot to add that bit in. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yeah just like the timing cover, there is no sump gasket on the BF, only rtv silicone. Still has half moon seals on the ends of the sump though, thats where BF leaks, the rubber shrinks and goes brittle. Put plenty of rtv on new half moon seals so it can never happen again.
I wish we had these in America. Very cool motor. I thought the green tops where natural gas motors? I don’t know much about them. Hense why I’m watching
LPG injection not gas. It's injected as a liquid. Took years for Ford Australia to patent the system, eailer ford sixs from the 1980-1990 had LPG gas intake and petrol was a dog of a motor as it was not optimised for either, half the gas went out the aircleaner in burnt!!
Sharing this 👌 great info!!
Thanks for watching and sharing, mate!
Can you do a comparison video on the Barras Red Top Man
Coming soon mate!
@@EverythingFuzzY legend
Interesting cool video cool music those FG cams looked pretty bad
Great video and content dude, keep it up!
Appreciate it!
I assume the FG one is the ecoLPI one with the LPG injection, while the other 2 have the LPG down the throttle body setup, like old down the carby throat LPG setups. If I’m right then the FG one will have injectors while the others won’t.
@@mickvonbornemann3824 No, FG mk1 had the LPG down the throttle same as the others. FG mk2 was ecoLPI and i have another video on that engine too, check it out!
Great video mate...lots good info. Thanks for putting in the time. Are all these going to be turbo converted?
Thanks for watching, Ben!
For now one is going to have a turbo and I’m working on a video of it at the moment.
Nice work bud 👍 Great informative video 😎👌
Glad you enjoyed it!
New sub. Thanks for a most informative video. Pulling down my ba turbo engine and its getting 3Rs attached to them stock turbo pistons.
Nice! Thanks for watching, i appreciate it!
Great vid, so much bs out there lol. I remember a forum thread that linked to an interview with the head of barra development who was specifically talking about myths and clearing up misinformation, and people in the forum were still saying stuff like 'actually my mate had this or that'. Unbelievable lol.
yea true i am an engine reconditioner that got out of the trade before the barra came along,. I now work in a place with a large workforce mainly males and it is funny to sit back and listen to blokes that really have no idea about engines dribble shit. A lot of the older common stuff even after decades i still have crank journal sizes bore sizes etc stuck in my head lol. i have a saying football and cars are the same everyone is an expert. My experience tells me that the bottom end of the ford 6 cyl is far more durable than anything around as the engine blocks seem to be made from better material hence the reason ford taxis could do such high ks. The internet is a great source of misinformation even magazines i read sometimes have mistakes about engines that were in some of our cars from the seventies and eighties.
Most fga engine can be turbocharged with out changing pistons hence extra oil passage splash grooves on pistons the others have to be changed to fga piston to turbo charge but there is 12 piston variants standard 16 turbo spec pistons
Great vid mate thanks for uploading
Cheers!
Great video dudeman. Keep it up
Thanks, will do!
Good work mate ! Nice and informative !
Thanks for watching!
Were are you located? I've got a BA EGAS and I did an SCT Flash tune and Change the Exhaust with Extractors.
I literally got 10kw more.
The Tuner said my motor wasn't getting enough LPG that was the main problem.
I can't remember what he said about a new specific mixer would boost up the power and change the DOHC to a Kelford Cam.
I've had this car many year's it literally never missed a beat.
Extremely reliable as i have always Used Nulon 15-40 Diesel and Irridum spark plugs. Always up to date. It has 245,000km.
Would it be worth changing the Cams and retuning?
Not because i want serious gain's but i just love driving this comfortable car and it's just still sluggish. Worse before the SCT FLASH AND EXHAUST system
What's your opinion?
thanks mate good vid
The EcoLPi is missing here i noticed. Would have been an even better comparison how ford finally perfected the LPG 6 in the end in comparison to prior cruder designs.
Thanks for watching! A lot of people asking about the LPI motor. If i ever end up with one of these engine i'll do a video on it. From what i've heard ford went back to the weaker conrods so they aren't a popular choice for conversions.
@@EverythingFuzzY Usually the case knowing Ford... especially the FG
Great platform let down by bulls**t US influence.
FG MK I - terrible denso a/c system, you're lucky to get 7.5°C at the vents
FG MKII - they fixed it with a whole new system which was brilliant, my FG MKII G6E sits around 3.7°C at the vents.
FG X - they went back to the older inferior system. With even smaller components. Similar temps to FG MK I
As an au xr6 owner, I’d love to take those blocks off your hands😂
Good Vid , Nicely Done ! Another difference that iv'e noticed between my BF motor and the BA .Is the Sump , on my BF sump it has the mounting lugs for the Trans cooler . i think the BA is cooled through the radiator . I just got a 2003 , 220 Kl'm BA to replace my 2006, 338899 Kl'm with head gasket gone , still ran great , not hot , just foamed up the rocker box , I just put a liter of coolant in it every day , so other than do the head (Which could be cracked ? So i was told ) Some pitting on the cams in the BF. so I just got the 220kl'm BA . On the Knock sensors My BF had 2 and the BA 1 will that be a problem ? Or just add the 2 to the BA motor ?
Awesome video!
Any chance of looking at the EcoLpi motor?
Thanks for watching! Yup I’m working on it 👍
Great information.
Glad it was helpful!
One thing they all share in common is that most of them have been around the equator 15 times. The timing covers are too hard to seal, there is 3 opposing faces.
100 bucks for a motor? LOL by the time they land in South Africa they're going for the equivalent of $1000 to $5000 bucks a piece, depending who's selling and what model it is. Granted the turbos are up for between $4000 to $5000. Great video.
Thanks for watching! I picked these up pretty cheap, but i'm seeing people ask $1000 each these days, insanity!
15:55 legit aye, snaped one off was like oh shit, put it back and just been praying that it stays on. that was 15000kms ago
Haha, same on my EB Barra mate! only just recently saw you can buy new replacement connectors on ebay. I'll have to order a few!
My coil packs plugs on my daily Mitsubishi challenger are the same type and they all snapped off 🙄 Just put zip ties around em to hold em in 🤷♂️🤣
It's a shit box though and soon to be replaced with a falcon or a territory, something barra 👌
Same here. I'll have to order some too