Barra vs 2JZ: Which One is Actually Better?
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Without cost or availability factored into the equation, I think the 2JZ is the better engine if you just want something which can make big power. If you live Australia or New Zealand, the Barra makes more sense because it's super cheap to buy and readily available in those places.
If you want one of these engines as a swap for your project car, again I think the 2JZ is the better choice because it's much smaller and easier to fit into your engine bay, where the Barra is physically giant and weighs a bit more than a 2J.
When it comes down to it, which one is better pretty much depends on where you live, how much power you want to make, and if you're trying to swap the engine into a chassis which wasn't originally designed for that engine.
We're really splitting hairs here by saying the 2J is the better engine for anyone outside New Zealand or Australia. Both engines are very good and they're both very capable. Let me know down in the comments which one you think is better and why.
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I should’ve clarified better that the Barra block is definitely stronger, but the 2JZ block isn’t far behind as far as peak power potential. The 2JZ is cast with a harder material, as tested and shown by the guys at Motive Video, but that doesn’t mean it can handle more peak power.
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Love that Barra, definitely a hidden gem in the US. And yo I've been watching your similar videos for a while and would love to see you do an episode on the new civic Si engine (L15b7). Keep up the great work!
Do a 3sge vid
Barra da wirkd!
You said the 2jz is made of better material and is using a Siamese bore. But the Barra is still stronger?. That bullet Barra isn't using a stock iron block btw it's using a billet block, To run high 6s. Against 2jzs doing 5s with iron blocks. I'm a fan of both engines but you're over hyping the Barra.
The Barra's big advantage is displacement and roller cams me thinks. Roller cams give you more flow for the same duration because the valves can be opened and closed faster. It's also why the head is so much taller. 👍🇦🇺
The beauty of the Barra is that you can get one for $500 from a wrecker.
The JZ is a fantastic motor but you can build a 700hp Barra for less then you'd spend on simply acquiring a 2JZ.
I saw one for sale in Campbelltown for 300 bucks 🤘😂
Yep and a n/a 2jz out here is somewhere in the ballpark of $1500 which is mad and I think the 2jz-gte is around $5000-$6000
This is what I wanted to know if you do a price comparison in Australia the Barra must win right if you do a price comparison in America I don't know can you import a barra and make the same amount of horsepower for less than a 2JZ that's something that they have to figure out so it's not about what's better it's what's the least expensive which makes the same amount of horsepower in relation to the different locations
@@jamesrobertson3853 there is a drag team in Sweden that imported a barra and shoved it into a Volvo. But an answer to your question the barra is a little bit more cost effective. AUD$500 for a Barra, AUD$5904 for FedEx shipping (Engine weights approximately 240kg and the shipping rate to U.S. is AUD$24.6/KG.)(you may find it cheaper elsewhere FedEx was the only one I could find with actual pricing instead of quotes) so that takes it to AUD$6400 compared to importing a 2JZGTE w/VVT-I from Japan AUD$7360. There isn't a great load of difference but you are going to save nearly AUD$1000.
@@jamesrobertson3853 mate the market for importing Barras should be booming. I'm surprised that it isn't.
We have millions of them, they are in every taxi and basic run about sedan.
It's our version of the Crown Victoria.
Ford's management is pretty dumb, why didn't they just offer a Mustang with a Barra? Could have saved the Australian car industry.
@@madmyles9507 First of all, it's spelt "they" not "thay", did you fail kindergarten or something? Second, ford should have imported the Australian built Barra to the US and put it in the Mustang. How don't you get this? Here's a link to help you out dsf.net.au/teaching-reading-for-older-students-adults/
@@TVperson1 | imagine if someone like FPV or better (Dyno-mite Performance) got involved with the Engine builds and were sent stateside for those 'Stangs....Prob be more Stangs on the road than there already is in Brisbane 🤣🤣
Because then it would compete directly with the V8, stock or modded. A FBO tuned Barra with a bigger, stock replacement turbo would wipe the floor with a FBO mustang
The thing would have been a lead tipped arrow. Same as the modular V8 falcons. Now if the Barra was an alloy block...........
It would've done fuck all, Holden went down as well as ford, it was all about the trade laws and importing in materials and maintaining employees in the age of automation. Japan, China and Korea were smashing it with fully automated robotic systems and cheap as chips materials imported via strong trade relationships with other nations which Australia just could not compete with. On top of this the Falcon's were designed like the Mustangs of yesteryear where you have all different models at all different price ranges and all different power outputs. You'd have people who want the V8's (the xr8), the straight six but that performance style (the xr6), the luxury for all your business endeavours (Fairlane and Fairmont), the everyday driver who just wants a good reliable car (the XT) and lastly those who want the most performance ford could offer (The FPV range). This whole system meant everyone could get their perfect falcon and made their cars unique opposed to factory made standard off the shelf shit that Asian countries were making for next to nothing. Unfortunately that novelty wore off, the whole way the Australian car market worked no longer aligned with how Australia made cars. Breaking up the manufacturing facilities to only make engines to export to America couldn't have saved the Australian car industry in the same way that exporting Monaro's to the UK underneath Pontiac didn't save Holden.
A destroked barra just made 2202hp at the back wheels at summernats 33
3.7l?
We need a link or something, Mate...otherwise its Vaporware. 👌
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Still looking for the 2200 run, this was the day before
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During development, the codename for the Barra was 'The Gull' 'cause it shits on everything else 👌
This is true, it is also true that Barra is named after the 'Barramundi' fish, which is known for its fighting spirit, speed and agility.
Hahahah
Yep, “Flies high and shits on practically everything”.
I remember reading that around the time that the BA was just coming out.
Dingo was the code name for the NA I6 and Gull was the turbo I6 code name :)
Nice
Ive seen some barras do over 900 000kms and majority of them have done ATLEAST 500 000kms but never seen a 2JZ with those figures (I could be wrong). I love them both but when reliability comes into the conversation the barra wins that one.
My mates intech 4.0l has done over 1 million klms, amazing engines
I daily an is300 since 215k miles, sitting at 312k rn. No major motor problems, seals are the only issue I’ve had so far
As an Australian I am very proud of our in house designed and manufactured barra engine, petty ford Australia went to shit and that's that.
I disagree with the exposure to US market with development of aftermarket though us convicts downunder have some of the smartest people on the planet in this area and the resent 2000 plus hp at the recent summernats is proof of this...
Give the barra the same timeline as the 2j and we will see what happens👍🍻
Oh and both engines are awesome just that we made ours.
Not bad for a bunch of convicts🤗
I think he was looking at aftermarket support from an American viewpoint. Since the motor wasn't released in the U.S. there are very few American aftermarket companies that produce parts for it. Of course Americans can always order parts out of Australia but availability of aftermarket parts sitting on the shelf is a big difference when your car is broken. This is the main reason the LS gm engines are so popular in the U.S. Tons of aftermarket parts sitting on shelves waiting to be sold right here in the U.S.
Back when we used to make things in this country.
How u doin
As an American, I wish Ford Australia never closed their doors, or any of the other manufacturers down there. I would have been first in line if Ford imported the Falcon here. That engine would have been great in half ton pickup trucks too.
@@broncomikey6681 Oh you mean a ute, yeah it would have been amazing.
Oh yeah barras are everywhere mate! Got one in the missus' car, one on a stand in the shed, bloody tripped over one going to the pub the other day! Fair dinkum! Lol
Same lol🤣
Not sure if this guys a being a cunny funt but the missus drives Territory (which has a Barra), I have a red top XR6T that I'm working on in the shed, and the last time I caught a taxi to the pub (cause nowadays it's all uber), it was a falcon black cabs that I tripped over getting out of 😂
GM built it vetter
@@AKK5I me the same.
I read this in an Australian accent
My Barra should be in my garage in Utah in the next month
How hard was it to locate and import? Realllllyyy want to swap this engine in a us car. What is your swap for?
While yes they are cheap in Australia they are a little more pricey to get imported and through customs here in the US. I went through dominator Motorsports for mine
Utes and trucks are different things. We had similar Utes in the use from the 50s-80s in the form of the El Camino and for ranchero
I call Utes car trucks 😂 bad ass machines though!
@@cameronmarshall7865 oh yeah 1k+🤔
Here in Australia $350 USD gets you a good Bara with a free rest of the car*
* Fuel cap not included, wheels not matched for burnout spec
apachelives have you ever tried breaking a fuel cap off of a b series falcon?
@@wadeshinners437 Haha no? Difficult?
😆😆😆
@@wadeshinners437 that is a suspiciously suspicious selling point lol
apachelives me and my mates tryed it out and required being belted by a floor jack, being stood on while open and absolutely flogged with a scissor jack before breaking off
Barra is one of the best motors ever made it's an utter beast. Near unbreakable if cared for. There's a reason that modified street cars are running easy 400kw power figures.
There's literally tens of stock internal supras running 500plus rwkw. Was even onenpushing 670rwkw
@@adamhsr a later barra can do that too. With 4 litres of displacement and an undersquare design the Barra makes huge torque compared to a 2J. Make no mistake, making 1000hp from 3 litres requires a big turbo and big revs, lag is a given you can't avoid that.The stock gt3582r from the BA-BF will support more power than the twins on a Supra before they went to the GT3576 in the FG. The 2J is also expensive to buy, the Getrag V160 6 speed costs more than a 2J itself and the A340 auto is only a 4 speed. The Barra has better options for gearboxes too.
@@vlt873 the gearbox comes with the car. And so does it's big diff. Silly to count them as additional. The supra gearbox is much better than the Ford's. I know fpvs autos fucking up at the 500rwkw mark after some time. There's like 1200hp supras still running the getrag. Also the big diff is also great on the supra.
@@adamhsr the autos were bad but the manual tremec tr6060 and t56 gearboxes paired with the barra are near invincible.
@@adamhsr ua-cam.com/video/gGH2RW9z5ME/v-deo.html
Most of the taxies here in Australia use Barras and its not unusual for them to have over 1,000,000 km on the clock.
Mine has more than 300,000 km and still sounds and feels like new despite never been opened up.
Mate time to buy a Toyota corola u wasting to much fuel in the counrty
@@pharith7883 4L barras aren't fuel hogs unless you thrash them. And I've used a corola in the past and fuel usage is not that much lower.
Also the barra will last much longer, it does most of its work at low rpm and is generally stress free. I do alot of highway driving for hours on end at 110 kmh and the barra will generally rev at 2100 rpm.
The corola has less km on the clock but is already burning oil
@@pharith7883my XT with a full exhaust, intake and tune gets 9.9L per 100ks at 100ks an hour on a highway, it jumps to 14.5 in town/city though.
And it's very nearly at 385,000Ks it's getting a turbo setup until it dies and I either rebuild the motor or just find myself an FG Turbo block
I like the barra motor more because it has bigger cams available for it
And i like a very rough idle
Big lob =nice chop
Cams, springs, intercooler and plumbing, intake relocation mods = easy power after a tune. Bigger turbo isn't initially required as it's already pretty large. Downside is the land boats they're fitted in.
Check our “ghost cam” for Barra
@@berrybum74 A feature that is mostly show as you can't run it for long or it damages the engine and cats. Check out zac baldy.
I can fit any cam to any engine dik.?.
Bara was also available in South Africa in the Ford Terretory NA 4.0 and Territory ST 4.0 Turbo.😉
A lot of Barras now being imported into South Africa. Not enough Territorys there to supply the engines the big horsepower brigade want!
Conversely Ford Fairmont GTs are being exported from South Africa to Australia; export version of the Falcon GT originals of which now fetch eye watering prices.
Pfff, if it’ll fit a Cummins it’ll fit a Barra.
I am from South Africa and we have a few dirt cheap Barra engines on the market.
I always forget that you guys get our aussie cars in SA.
Yup! Saw some going for R8500. They the NA ones though, i think.
Buy them mate its the same motor they don't have to be turboed just put a set of pistons and rods in get yourself a turbo and your away👍🏻
@@captainzoll3303 I lived in Africa before moving to Australia. Never seen an Aussie car
@@twistentiger5610 in south africa though?
I had seen one of the US built muscle(cant recall what it is) car swapped out V8 for 1,200HP turbocharged Barra engine. Very streetable, reliable and no issues so far after several years. A great testament to the Ford engineers in Australia.
Those Barra engine can do well over a million ks there in taxis lol
Mine is at 3000 ks
Sitting on 500km
Neighbours says his is at over 2mil lol sceptical but possible hahah
100%!
@@swingking08 i heard it stops counting at 999.999k
It really depends on the application. A mate of mine had a tidy '93 Supra with an NA 2J. It was quick, but my shitty old ex-council AU Falcon ute (with the Barra's predecessor, the SOHC Intech) would consistently blow the doors off it from a standing start. Not every 2J is a GTE, not every Barra is a turbo motor.
Well the Barra is a more torquey motor so it’s no surprise it walked on a GE with only 210lb ft (assuming it was stock)
All the ports are there for the turbo just like how Nissan makes engine that are (det) everyone knows if the engine number ends with (DE) it can have a turbo easy just plug and play, ford did the same thing all the 2006+ barra engines have same size rods and pistons as the green top engine and has all ports to be drilled out for turbo!
The Aussie's brought a Barra over and Swapped it into a Fox body Mustang for Drag Week
And it was AWESOME.👌😎
Yes they did. He first one had problems. Luckily they had another engine available and made one from the two. I watched that series.
@@markbremmer8642 yeah that's Benny's custom works and skid factory.
#8secondcresta
@@markbremmer8642 The problem he had with the Barra in the Cresta was a dropped valve. That was a complete fluke.
england: dumps a bunch of convicts on an overgrown island
convicts: hehe 4L 6 cylinder make 2000 horsepower
Barely makes 2000 lol
@@Name-yp3pi type up 2000hp barra, they exist
@@aidan5720 yeh ik I was just saying
@@aidan5720 even tho right now they do make up to 2200hp. 2jz makes up to 4000hp but it’s pricey
@@Name-yp3pi anything past 600hp is major overkill anyways, but barras are also 11 years younger then 2JZs, theres still alot of potential and parts for barras. 2JZs are expensive, getting worn out and hard to replace.
I did my apprenticeship with Ford in the late eighties and was in the engine lab for a few months. The first of the overhead cam inline sixes were coming through at the time which evolved into what we see here. There were a couple of engineers in the lab around that time who quietly had the guys build up and tune one to see how much they could get out of it, I understand they got close to 1000hp out of it.
1000hp in a barra is nothing these days they're pushing past 3000hp on cast blocks now, and over 4000hp on billet blocks
@@dylandesmond the fastest drag car barra pushes 2200 where did you get these numbers?
@@dylanjones2226 look up bullet race engineering they make billet barras, my 14.3mm headstuds haven't moved yet and I'm just at 2000hp dynoed on a cast block with a 16mm girdle and stock caps, I'll be upgrading them as they're the last part in my whole motor that hasn't been replaced. That's on a v15 vortech.
They were hitting 2200hp on cast blocks 2 years ago... technology has improved a lot since
@@dylanjones2226 and that was 2 years ago on a destroked 3.7L at only 8500rpm on a 10500rpm setup
@@dylanjones2226 when bullet first released their barras they were rated to 3000hp, people have blown them around 4500hp on the dyno
Even if ur a Holden fan you still gotta love the Barra
Jim’s KFC zinger boxes nope hates barras
@@shaynewilliams8045 pissfunny 🤣🤣
What is Holden?
Oh that's right the deceased name plate for GM in Australia. Apparently Holden passed away 10 years ago, didn't stop GM funneling millions of Australian tax payer dollars back to the US just before they turned off the life support though.
Way back when, before GM interference, Holden was a iconic manufacturing company in Australia.
William Stewart even with ur pointless facts it’s still better then ford
I am a Holden fan and the barra is a pearler of an engine.
I am a barra owner, love the engine, but I still have to say the 2JZ is an tough as nails due to an awesome design by Toyota
Design for the jz was Yamaha, 2jz is very similar to 1jz ( few changes ) so credit for design should go to Yamaha
@@patrickjohnson6448 Yamaha designed the Head for the 1JZGTE and revision headwork for the 2JZGTE (which is a smaller percentage of assistance). That's why 1JZGTE covers have Yamaha stamped on them but the 2JZGTE does not.
The bottom half of the engine, over-engineered oil-pump, pistons, rods, crankshaft, metallurgy, quality control, siamese bore, water/oil galleries and everything else not part of the head is all Toyota's engineering which is also very creditable in a larger % than Yamaha.
No
I've got a 2011 Territory with 211,000 km on the clock, that's only just run in for a Barra. I'm a Kiwi but I gotta hand it to the Ozzies, they did themselves proud with this engine, good on ya Oz :)
Check out the limited edition Ford Falcon FGX XR6 Sprint. This was the last barra turbo falcon.
It has 435hp (424 lb torque) and overboosts to 496hp (479 lb torque).
0 - 60mph in 4.6 second. Not bad for a 4 door family sedan.
On a proper drag strip it's 4.1 seconds, pretty good for a heavy family car without launch control.
@@Levi-qb2uf Wow that's even better. Absolutely. 😁👍
they have launch control
My old man bought one, the thing was a weapon, couldnt believe it when he sold it
Great video! you actually did your research so you got yourself a sub. I have a barra making 620hp to the wheels and have only replaced the vavle springs. Incredible things
FYI : aftermarket support is huge in Australia - to the point where seeing a 900-1000hp Barra isn’t exciting anymore. It’s only in the US where aftermarket support is low.
The barra has a couple versions, gas block and stock standard, gas block has stronger pistons and con rods and cam, due to lpg ( liquid petroleum gas) being very explosive which was the same motor used in the XR6T (xr 6 turbo) the difference was the top, green top being gas, silver being standard and red top was xr6t, so to build a decent car in aus, start off with a ba dedicated gas (lpg only) put that motor into your petrol car, and for about 2,500 $ AUD (Australian doller) you can actually have a quick car that could run a 12 pushing at 350 kw (469.358 hp) without having to spend top dollar, hope this all made sense to everyone
I live in Australia and love the Barra. I agree with the conclusion and happy we have an engine that competes with some of the other great engines out there.
Also the barra’s are a newer motor, so not only are they common as dog shit in Australia, they’re all In fairly good knick, especially if you lift one from a FG Falcon
also almost all of them are sitting in unmolested family cars
I got a turbo on my one
@@HeanieBlat that's basically what they mean here....
Come to Adelaide then say that again 🤣🤣 fords are thrashed out to the Max even family cars, you don't think old mate gets pissed off with kids yelling in the back and some dickhead doing 40 in a 60 zone
Did you say a newer motor ? This motor started life in 1961 as the 144ci Falcon motor , evolving to the 170ci Super Pursuit motor then the 188 ci , 200ci and 250ci 2V motor after that came the 3.3 and 4.1 litre which are just metric 200 and 250 but adding Canted Valve V8 Cleveland style heads that finally came in alloy and EFI , then in 1987 they slapped a OHC head on the 200 and 250 but called them their real displacements 3.2 litre and 4.0 litre , then the next evolution is the Barra with DOHC head and finally a turbo. All one engine line back to the 144ci in 1961. To prove a point , a Barra crank will fit in a 1961 144ci six , same bellhousing , flywheel , starter and the list goes on , even same bore spacing , long way from a new engine.
What he didn't mention is that the barra is actually LIGHTER by over 30kg, despite having a whole litre of displacement over the 2jz. Though the real lack of comparison in this video, is that the barra engine was literally designed for taxis that are renowned for doing millions of kms. As a apposed to a sport coupe, designed for performance..... Not to mention you can literally make an extra 200rwkw with just an intake and exhaust
Theres quite a few barras in USA atm since drag week 2019 the aussis built barra has had a big following in the us now but us aussie put barras and 2jz's in everything in aus and with huge powered barra converted cars of all sizes and makes we fit them into anything.....
Nice video, I made over 600hp with the standard turbo and unopened engine with simple bolt ons on my barra, 2j is a proven performer but you just can't do that with the factory turbos that's why a lot of people love it bang for buck.
Nice job dude, found this really educational.
I live in Australia and own a run of the mill ford bf mk2 xt falcon with a stock standard barra190. They are a beautiful engin with bag loads of grunt just driving around city I would hardly need to go over 2000 rpm and with out putting my foot down at traffic lights just standard pick up without trying to drag anyone it is quicker then a lot of newer lighter cars. My biggest gripe is driving around the city it is a bit thirsty but when at highway speeds it's quite good on fuel. When you put your foot down it comes to life iv over taken cars on steep hills that have been doing 70kph and my car has gone up to 120kph just like that without even breaking the 4000rpm mark. I have also driven the turbocharged barra engines and they are quite scary what the can do in a 1800kg car
Another contender would be the BMW M88/S38 24 valve six. .Developed from the M49 racing engine (430 hp to 1050 hp in mid 70s) . S38 3.8 litre (92 to 95 with 6 x 51mm throttles) produced between 340 and 400hp na . Block design is good with strong webbing around mains and a well desigined structural sump. Max bore size is 95mm. The M49 was developed from the M12 F2 engine of which BMW extracted 1400hp in 1.5 litre turbo form. Its got good DNA
An important thing to note with the barra is that the bottom ends varied a lot between the motors. The early NA BA barra's are good for maybe 350-400whp on stock bottom end, which is still a lot but they are the super cheap ones. The FG stock Turbo barra's are relatively pricey nowadays.
Would absolutely take a 2020 Mustang with a Barra.
Bring back the Ford 3.3L 200cid...but Barra! And turbo'd!
contact dominator motorsports they have stock in usa
You might want to see what Adam LZ is doing with his burnt out 2020 shelby, he's putting a Barra in and eventually aiming for 1400 HP supposedly.
221 2v😅
I live in n.z and am lucky enough to have a xr6 turbo falcon,factory 6spd manual.👌.big heavy sedans(1800kg)that eat RB's,JZ's and LS's
Good luck with eating 2jz .. youll behunted by hunter mate.... ive been in barra and 2z... barra i nowhere clos 😅😅😅😅 just becaise u have barra doesnt mean ur faster sound like a kid... neve surpass 2jz
Akag Man Uhhhh I kinda have no clue on what you were trying to say.
@@Chavster-wf8db well that tells me u cant read for shit and go learn how to read... simple
@@shapy1188 no, you just can't type mate. Barras are dominating pretty much every 6cyl drag class that they are in, you're just a stupid fanboy... simple
@@shapy1188 I had a 2j soarer when I was a kid,now I'm older and have kids,I have a turbo Barra family car..have you ever owned either to have a valid opinion?
Im from australia.... so that means the barra is definately better than the 2j....easily
Same here, the awesome thing is that my English teacher from last year has an FG Falcon XR6 and she is also a bit of a car enthusiast which is awesome but i totally agree with you
better ... NO
The barra has weak links as does the RB26 has. So it cannot produce the same power level as the 2JZ before it breaks.
No its not lol
One of the best reasons for owning a Barra over a 2JZ is the power delivery, It makes a lot of low RPM power and torque, and peak power/torque over a huge chunk of the RPM range. That quality makes it a fantastic swap for a larger vehicle like a pickup. If only it was modernised a bit it would have probably been a good fit for the F250.
Really enjoyed this. I love reading about engine specs. Have you done a video one the 1UZ or Honda j30? I know few people do j30 engines but they are literally under 300 lbs. Fascinating!
The barra is only popular here in Australia because we can't just slap a turbo on some car we own due to strict government regulations and since these came turbo it's easier to mod a car that came turbo from the factory, p.s. i own a fg turbo ute and that's why i sold my holden ls1
I’m the owner of the supra in the beginning of the video. Good choice the car makes 1,019 on a stock block👍🏻
You're a legend man
Haha I wish 🤣
@@TheZuprachannel anyone that owns a 1000hp is a legend in my book
@@Legend-lc9bv Expand your library.
@@Supremxcyxi I know cars you never heard of it is expanded but I love supras
I have a Barra swaped r33 4 door but I live in nz
Legend
Awesome, i love that its a 4 door r33 too it seems kinda fitting!
The main reason you can get a barra so cheap at the wreckers is that they find it hard to actually sell them. The engine in stock form regularly does over a million kilometers in a taxi and they very rarely break, which means people very rarely need to buy them. This and the fact they are very common engines here means a lot of them end up in the wreckers. The wreckers are forced to just sell them for whatever money they can get just to make room otherwise they would be storing nothing but barras haha.
Even though I'm a holden person I believe that the Barra was Australia's best engine built
Without a doubt the Ford Falcon FG X XR6 Sprint will become a modern GT-HO.
I don't think it will be a modern gt ho because they have different purposed and have a fair amount of differences. But undoubtedly the xr6 sprint is really cool and is already a collectable that will keep going up in value.
I have the Falcon G6ET. Has 263,000km and still going strong. It has the ZF 6spd auto behind it too, which is great for drag racing. Mines near stock and still smokes a lot of cars 👌
Great comments about the physical size of the Barra, both engines are World Class, keep the passion alive whatever you own)
Wow! Everything, every spec known to man on both engines. Answered every question I had. Thanks
Hahaha
Actually feeling proud of our little down under backwater right now.
You know we also supercharged the Coyote engine and dropped it in the Ford Falcon too. Called Miami. 335kW with a final variant of 351kW. That last figure was minimum as it could produce more than 400kW for short periods.
An internal nickname for the Barra was "seagull" as it shit on everything.
I watched Yogi Barra as a kid and now listen to 2JayZ
Proudly own 7 barras including xr6 turbo. Love them never let me down ☺️
I bought a BA xr6 on LPG as a cheap daily, drove it for 5 years. I loved it so much I bought a BF F6 Typhoon as my new daily. My old one is still sitting in the back yard the engine purs with almost 400k on it but the rest of the car has had it!
I’ve owned both and love them both but I have to say barra makes power just a reliable and easier than a JZ especially if e85 is readily available in ur country.
You can buy a 1000hp xr6 turbo with a full built Barra in it for 20k over here in Australia! I paid 11k for my bf xr6 turbo barra with a built bottom end and have 578rwhp with a stock turbo.
I've got 2 Barra's atm, one in a wagon, one in an SUV. One is going to the wreckers this week as I don't need it. 320k good compression. They are so plentiful here we just give them away. Great, simple, big lump of an engine. I've been running LPG on my cars for decades. I get 100 km for about $8.50 or half the cost of petrol. Just love it, gas powered Barra
One thing to note is the longevity of the Barra. It's a long life engine known for lasting a long time. The AU falcon's were pretty much your stock taxi's back in the day, and known for going over a million kilometers in distance. Running on LPG, they were a great car. Only really replaced by Toyota Hybrids, which had a better fuel economy.
I'm running an FG Falcon, it's awesome. And these cars are becoming rare and sought after.
Au falcon has an intech in it not a Barra, similar but weaker rotating assembly, block and head plus it’s a single cam motor
you said it
it depends on where you live, in australia these things are dirt cheap and i mean DIRT cheap and aftermarket support here is pretty good up to around 1000kw - after that shit gets harder
2jz is available everywhere but they are getting expensive because everyone knows how good they are (expensive compared to a barra)
overall the 2j is better but i think theres still loads of potential in the barra that hasnt been tapped, if they were available in USA people would be going bonkers over them
that said there have been a few barras imported into USA already and you can find one if you really do your research and its something different and a lot of people want something different
Mark Atkinson You can get 2K HP out of a Barra with half of the thing stock. Something the 2J can’t even do. Not to mention the 2J doesn’t remain much reliable after 850 HP. Blew my mind when I heard about the Barra’s potential.
@@infiniteblaz3416 I agree the barra is strong but I can't ignore the statement of the 2k hp barra (Maria Passos’ RIPSS XR6 Turbo) being half stock. The only thing barely stock was the block, it was even de-stroked. BUT the Barra block seems to definitely support more power than the 2JZGTE can, due to obviously the fact that it's a larger displacement.
Barra's are only good for drag racing. I dare say it would be good for track and maybe drifting, the 2JZ is already quite heavy for in swapped cars, causing the nose to be quite front weight bias, I can't imagine how much a Barra would have an effect on the front.. so in the end, the 2JZGTE is more balanced and therefor overall better only by just a little bit. Barra is definitely better in the Drag racing application.
@@kenthang3729 2J is just as good as the Barra in drag racing just slightly less in supporting power. I wouldn’t say it’s a balanced motor at all. It’s heavy to the point where you can’t even use it well on the track.
I loved my supra but after 800 it really became hard to drive on the street after 1200 its damned close self ball punching levels. A barra you could have fun at massive power levels vs the 2j.
All barras have dual VCT just that after the BF 2006 model they made the intake and exhaust independently controlled. Pre 2006 they worked together. Only a software update. An after marlet pcm can make any barra intake and exhaust cams run independently.
This was a video of pros and cons, not which is better, and at the end of the day you can hate Ford or Toyota, but you cant deny that these engines are pieces of art
Edit: very educational video, definitely just subbed
As an Australian I’m so glad you are talking about the “Barra” engine and comparing it to such a great engine as the 2JZ. The engine that became the “Barra” started life in the 1960s here from an American import in the Falcon that went through many local development phases ending up with this engine. Over the years it’s development was influenced by the Chrysler 265ci Hemi, Toyota 2JZ, Nissan RB30 and the BMW straight 6 series of engines. Sadly production and development of this engine ceased in 2016 as the whole Australian automotive production industry went belly up. Everything you’ve said was accurate in my opinion and this engine will live on in the drag and modified car scene for the foreseeable future here due to its incredible “bang for buck” factor. I recently bought a nice black 2006 XR6 Falcon with the aspirated version of the “Barra” and a ZF 6 speed. It has a mere 61,000 Klms on the clock and I just love it. Maybe I’ll fit a turbo in the future but at the moment given it’s my daily right now I rather value my drivers license. Really enjoyed your video keep up the good work. 😊👍
You should take a look at GM 250" inline 6, as found in the Brazilian Chevrolet Opala. Some of these engines are making 2,200 hp with stock block and heads, all with an old OHV 2 valve design. Recently 1320 video came to Brazil to see them - the fastest stick shift Chevys in the world.
BTW, I remember that 18 years ago, a guy was running one of these with turbo and 700 hp on original rods and pistons lol
Anthony Suarez Fitment issues and weight savings. Mostly fitment. 6 cylinders in the length of 3-4 makes it way easier to build something FWD.
Is that the vortex 4200
@Anthony Suarez you also run into trouble with the crankshaft twisting at big power in I6s. V6 have much shorter crank so it is less likely to twist at the same power levels.
Australia made a fwd straight six once!
@@alexjohnward what's that because I can't remember 🤔
Installing a Barra in a 70 Amc Rebel right now for X275 racing here in the states, cant wait!
I’ve seen a few 1fz used for drags in Australia. How does that compare?
4 years ago i imported a Barra and put it in my 3000gt. Since the day i put it in its been running at 660hp and i drive it a lot. 10k+ miles a year
Pics I literally want to do the exact same thing
That xr at the start is me driving when I had it
The green top barras (stock LPG motors) have forged pistons and rods, good for quite a bit more than the 600hp safe limit of the non LPG motors stock. Just food for thought
Thanks for the video cuz i met for first time the Ford Barra, intersting engine.
Greetings from Dominican Republic..
Owned both, 2JZ is just a headache, the Barra and those engines before it in Australia are tough and simple but can make power easily. They even make a Petrol, Petrol/Gas (LPG) and LPG only factory optional engines.
There are quite a few Barra engine's out there making 1400hp with the right turbo and upgrades 😳
I watch a lot of A/NZ videos and I know of the Barra and I love how cheap it is there and in no doubt I would use it if I lived there. But just looking at the hp/l says enough of "which engine is better" in stock form.
Not really. Says nothing about how much torque these engines make. HP/L is a good metric but not always the most important one.
The dedicated LPG version (known as the green top) has stronger rods, than the standard version. The best stock barra to get is the FG green top
my brothers xr6t barra makes 700hp unopened, very simple to make big power.
the 600-700 hp is not true on all barra turbos, the first turbo motor (the 240t) used basically stock rods and crank comapred to the na motor and could hold 300-400hp before sending rods through the block, the later ba and bf barra turbos are quite a bit better but can only hold somewhere about 500ish reliably, the fg and onwards turbo mtors (the 270T, 310T, 325T) are able to hold the 600-700hp, not all barra turbos are built equally but otherwise great info
Exactly, 325 kw Barra factory, same as the LS 6.2 GTS
I made over 400rwkw on a 03 ba engine with only valve springs
Got a fg gas engine in a different car now making 450rwkw lol
Mate he is talking reliable power 450hp is pushing the ba T engine, they are garbage, the sohc is the better version Barra and older.
The bf mk2 to Fg engine yeah you might be safe at 600hp, You are on borrowed time.
The engine is that bad they have to destroke the over hyped tractor engine.
I have 07 bf xr6 turbo after 06 they have typhoon bottom end.. I believe you'd get more than 500hp.. stock turbo alone is good for 350rwkws..
@@Granty4510 no!
Bought my first Barra last month, 2006 bf falcon. Stock so far but I can feel the potential.
There was a few factory versions of the N/A Barra. I know the first one The Barra 182 (In BAs and early BFs) had smaller rods. Then I think it was the BF Mk2 they brought out thicker rods the Barra 190, then you get the FG the Barra 195. There are gas and turbo variants to.
It is cheap. Like very very cheap.
Mate of mine bought a barra of a bf xr6 (na) with 150ks for $160, with all the accessories.
That’s so cheap! 🤯
160? you could buy an entire good condition VCT Intech AU for $100 with less K's on it!
Is there different between NA and turbo internal and block?
Can confirm, picked 2 up fully dressed for $500 with harnesses and ECUs for my Cressida and landcruiser.
Damn this is text book definition of dirt cheap
2jz don’t like burnouts The BARRA loves it and has been proven to be a reliable Dailey driver with 700hp
BARRA all the way mate
And yes I’m Aussie
You sure about that? My stock SC300 with a 2JZ-GE with 218k on it sure loves burnouts. Spins it’s tires even when I’m not trying. Maybe you should stop shilling and saying dumb shit
Im from Texas never seen a barra engine but now i would like to swap it on my s13 but I don't know anything about that engine or if anyone has done the swap
@Disobey Negatively thanks
barras hate burnouts lmao - everyone ive seen at a comp has shit the bed
Mate u done you research, like seriously 100% correct about the barra
Well done mate you know your stuff and are very reasonable. Just one thing, yes you can get a na barra here for 350usd but they are useless unless you want to build it. A barra turbo is 4300usd and good for 700rwhp stock bottom end.
The Barra engines are actually a family of not only inline 6 engines, but V8s as well made by Ford Australia.
The Barra is only the inline 6.
Boss was the 5.4 V8 and Miami was the supercharged 5.0
@@cams290 You might want to do a quick search mate and I think you will find I'm correct.
Barra is an awesomely surprising motor and a mighty machine but I would only say that to the very best of my knowledge the 2JZ is one of the most durable motors that humankind has ever devised and like it’s cousin the 1UZ, one of the other reasons for its longevity besides its strength is immediately evident as soon as you rev it and that would be its supernatural smoothness. Those Nippon boys engineered the heck out of these motors.
I do not care about horsepower but since I was a kid watching the General Lee and other awesome cars thrash around the screen of my TV I grew up and was endlessly disappointed at how easily I could break Ford, GM and Chrysler drivetrains.
But once I learned about the “golden age of Japanese over engineering” of the 90’s I realised I’d finally found cars that you could actually thrash like them Duke boys thrashed the General, day in and day out and they could actually take it.
I prize strength over everything else (esp because I ain’t rich) so that’s why I’d pick 2JZ and why I love my 250hp V8 more than any of the 300-400hp V8s I owned. Barra is very cool though.
But the Barra motor is the fastest in delivering power and at low power. Didn't you hear the video?
The 2JZ engine is really powerful, but the Barra engine is stronger than it for many reasons, including the speed of power transmission at low revs, and its only problem is that it is very large and does not match on some vehicles
Can we get a comparison with the Atlas/Vortech 4.2 L inline6 in the trailblazer?
Benny's Custom Works has a Cresta with a stock Barra red top (bigger turbo of course) and can pull 8 seconds at drag week.
My 10 anniversary edition aristo is on the way from japan :D
street barra absolute torque monster stock mild tune 500lb/ft a 2600rpm Melbourne Australia
Yep same time, mines nizpro tuned, lowly 287kw at the wheels and 770nm torques lol. Very basic mods, stock plumbing and intercooler. 9.8L/100km
BOTH ARE AWSOME
I have considered a 2JZ swap in my gen 1 Mustang. Back then the entry level ones also had a straight 6 cylinder engine but it only made 120 hp stock. The stock 289 V8 (with a two barrel carb) seems to be very anal about fuel to air ratio and also seems prone to over cooling. It makes decent power stock (200hp and 282 lbs of torque). And I like the idea of reliable power but everyone and their dog has an LS or a Coyote in restomod builds.
So its something a lil' different and yet parts are still relatively easy to get in the United States. The potential downsides I thought of is with a single turbo it may not be as fast off the line, it may require high grade fuel where it didnt before, you lose some simplicity when the 2JZ requires an ECU to operate, the fuel tank would have to be modified or replaced to accommodate an electronic fuel pump, etc.
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sorry but no
320hp was the actual engine output and 280hp was the gentlemans agreement
That's what I was thinking. It had to be under 300hp
JSpec was 280hp 320hp was the export version. There are a few differences between engines too as the Jspec had faster spooling ceramic turbos with a MAP sensor and the Export had steel turbos with a MAF sensor.
They used the Ford falcons as taxi's. With the barra seen them do over 1mil km on original engine
Yup, My 2004 Territory is at 874000km & still going strong, Never seen a 2jz even close to 400000km
Most taxis I saw were fitted with the factory LPG fuel system.
@@Steindog1967, lmao you obviously aren’t very experienced with 2Js. Mine is personally at just under 230k miles or 370k km and doing just fine. Know plenty of people with 2Js with over 300k miles. Stupidly easy to work on and maintain and don’t like to break. Mine sure doesn’t anyway.
@@Steindog1967 5years ? 140 kms by days all days? seriously?
@@guillaumed8107 Get your calculator out son, 2004-2020 is 16 years, Territory is now @ 1.1mill km
Depends what its being put in and what us the desired rpm .
In stock or moderately modified form nit including billet blocks or destroking are my thoughts below
For high torque heavier cars even 4wd Barra hands down. For lighter cars higher rpm racing definately the 2jz
How do the Nissan RB motors compare with these two?
An Australia only one most people will not have heard of is the RB30ET. Commissioned by Holdens for the 1986 VL Commodore. 150kw at 5600rpm and 296Nm at 3200rpm. A small number fitted with the turbo six (most had the RB30E naturally aspirated) which had more power than the 5 litre V8 option but slightly less torque. Much sought after and the base for very high power rebuilds in Australia.
There's the mighty Barra inline 6 , then the rest...end of story.. Here's the undeniable fact . get in an Australian Ford Falcon N/A or Turbo , drive it and you'll be shocked how strong the engine really is at any revs . It's not just about peak horsepower ...it's the eminently easy way it does the job .
There's something fantastic about driving a car with a motor that has more than 3L displacement. I got my Vette and was astonished at the torque at 900rpm compared to my mini that has no torque until I'm at 4000 rpm and have boost.
It really doesn't make sense that an "American" car company doesn't make their straight 6 available in America
Eddie Otero It’s made by Ford Australia, so they are technically the same brand just a different branch of products
Fords are built in many countries but each division of the company has restrictions on where they can sell so that they are not cutting into each others market space. If it was open slather then there would be a lot of issues such as stocking global spare parts range at every location, the cost of crash and emissions compliance for every country, advertising costs for numerous different products, technical training, special tools, the list goes on and on. Nice for the buyer but a major headache for the manufacturer.
how much taller and longer is the 4.0L Barra than the turbo 2JZ?
I really love the Barra! If can get my hands on one I'm gonna put one in a motorhome rv! They're basically the size of dodge Cummins diesel.