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Make The Most From Each Picket. Building a Woodworking Business. | How To
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I have created and shared many plans on making different size planter boxes, and today, I'm sharing my thought process and insight so you can quickly and easily quote custom projects to your customers.
An easy way to expand your picket planter revenue is to offer custom builds. And by no means does it have to be a planter box. It's how I landed a $2,000 shed build, and even a nesting box for chickens. no, seriously. for chickens.
here is my general rule of thumb. for every picket I use, it costs the customer $10. i buy them for between 3.28-4.99 so my labor follows the general "material times two" rule.
for this video, we will stick to planter boxes. lets say someone reaches out to you requesting a larger 3' x 6' raised garden bed.
when starting to brainstorm how to tackle this project. you need to be thinking about the projects appearance, structural integrity, and minimizing scraps which helps maximize profits.
there is a reason most of my boxes are built to the sizes that they are. pickets are 5-1/2" wide and 72" long. Unless I am building the Planter Bench, I know I cannot use the two inch dog earred section so my pickets usable length is 70".
dividing your picket is one way to get an easy answer. take a look at a few of my plans and you will see that the long pieces are cut first, and I fill up the rest of the board with smaller pieces.
sometimes I even cut a side piece before ripping that picket down for the legs. and the same thinking style is applied to ripping boards as well.
1-3/4" gets you three pieces
2-3/8 gets you two pieces
1-1/4" gives you four, which is getting pretty thin
lets get back to our customer. they are asking for a 3' x 6' box. for raised garden bed quote I ask them how tall they would like it to stand. 32-36 inches is standard counter top height. this will give you the total leg height. and rember: 35" should be the maximum length if you plan to rip the picket down to 2-3/8" in order to get 4 legs from each 70" long picket. every box I have built requires eight of these pieces.
so we have the legs figured out. Let's look at the main box construction.
starting with the sides. If I factor out the dog ears, and divide the board by two, I get 35". we will need two of these for each shorter side. (but she wanted a 36" side) the additional 5/8 thickness of both legs will make up the distance.
(i can go the distance song)
soooo two pieces for each side, four pieces total. 2 boards required.
the long sides can be 70" long: which is the pickets length minus the dog ears. could you leave the dog ears on there? sure, but I think it makes the project look "pieced together" in my opinion.
so two pieces for each side, four pieces total. 4 boards required.
now we need to think about the structure of the box. we will need to add a lip so the bottom boards have support. ya know, because of the dirt weight..
I would cut a treated 2x4 down since its the cheapest structural addition we could make. A strip of cedar would work, if the span was shorter like the long box and raised garden bed. my concern is the center sagging and failing later on.
one 2x4 is enough to get the strips for the side and the center bracing. you can rip the 2x4 down to 3/4", 3/4" and have the remaining piece be the center support. or, you could rip a 2x4 in half for each side, and use a whole 2x4 down the center.
you dont need to add the bracing to the shorter sides. cut the ripped 2x4 down to length and walla.
i always run my bottom boards in the direction that they are the shortest. cedar is very porous, and a board is structurally weakest when it is laid down and supported only from the very ends. take your length, 70" divided by 5-1/2, the width of your picket and you get pretty close to 13. so we will need 13 bottom boards to fill the base. we get two from each picket, so we need 7 more pickets.
if you wish to add a center support, you can by adding an additional leg to the outside or the center. remember, there will be a lot of weight pushing this box down.
this larger box I wouldn't bother with a lip, again, people try to pick them up from those and given its size it would be tricky to line up straight. it would only require one extra picket though. by ripping the picket down to 1-3/4", we get three stripes, two stripes will span the longer side, and the third strip cut in half is enough for the shorter sides.
take into account your nails, glue and screws. I know they don't cost a lot but they add up pretty quickly.
again, custom orders should require a deposit, especially for a project this large. if they are truely interestested, invite them to come see the shop, even if you dont have an extravagent workspace they can come see some samples of board thickness and detailed measurements.
hopefully you are still awake, and this walk through has been helpful.
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You have been a life saver. 120+ planters sold within two months
Where are u at? And how much u selling for? I haven't sold any yet l, I'm wondering if 85$ canadian is to much? In ontario
Nice! Good little hustle!
I don’t know if this’ll work for you- but I’ve been a vendor and salesclerk my whole life (and waitress) and I’m telling you to raise the price to $100 (depending on which planter) and say it’s been marked down to $85 or $80. Bcuz $80-85 is a good price for a cedar planter, but make people think they’re getting a good deal- which they are!
@@doriglenn1358 will try that, thanx
@@cornywall9081 staging them as well, with real/ fake plants
Love the simple designs and free cut lists/plans.
If someone really does not want a treated 2x4 in their box, i.e, organic gardeners, you could laminate two pickets together and rip your 1-1/4” Super Picket.
Super picket! Sweet :)
For the big boxes, I laminate the strips to make a double wide strip. That seems pretty strong. I use one on each side for the floor support and then I put one in the middle and hold it in there with a rabbet joint with a cross piece on the ends and a dado cut.
My man, you are living rent free in my head. I took an order for a custom planter box that was eerily similar to the dimensions in your example and using my basic estimate process I came up with a price of $150... And after I created one of them, I came to the exact same conclusion as you did in this video that I should have charged $200 just because it is so much bigger than my $110 version. The material cost was not a lot more but there was more thought to support for the larger amount of dirt etc... I went to bed thinking that I need to make an excel spreadsheet that will estimate my material cost based upon the pieces required in the build and when I woke up, your video was in my feed. And btw, there has to be some cost associated with the amount of space this huge box takes up in my little "workshop". I took a picture of my self sitting in it, (I am 6'3" or 1.9 meters) and told my wife we will market the box as a personal hot tub.
Hot tub 😂 nice :)
been making tons of planters with a simple ad, did some customs too, and I only do this as a part-time hobby, but my one post which was up for 24hrs kept me busy for 3 weeks lol
about to make a new post with your stock ad photos too and having some made of each design ready to go, and see how that goes
Sweeeet :) best of luck Richy!
@@WhosTheVoss thanks man! You've been a huge inspiration to me :)
Please do a video on building sheds. I want to get into that as well and especially build one for myself cause I wanna share it bad.
Should be building one this summer :)
Another great informative video bro! Thanks! You have talked different times on using demographics to help with pricing projects. How about you do a video on you use the info from demographics to help with pricing? Please and thank you
I might throw it into a video :) thanks
Love your videos easy to understand and to the point ! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Mike
Love your channel, Cant wait on the shed build and plans.
Thanks buddy :)
Good advice and tips thanks for sharing Keep building
Thanks Larry
Crazy, just got someone today asking fornsome custom work. PERFECT timing!!
Sweeeeeet :)
Yea, got another this week for 2 planters at 6' x 36" x 24" w 12" legs.
Nuts... I'll be advising on what not to do on pick up. Lol
Great video, another quick and dirty method is to triple the material cost. Gets me pretty close unless there's complicated assembly needed.
When I presented to a local nursery they were asking about the profit for each box, and being a cheap build, most of mine are 3x or more profit than materials. I think it rattled them a little bit. But hey, they are selling like hot cakes . 🤷♀️
Maybe I should try hot cakes. 🤔
Great idea. The weather up here is finally starting to warm up so it's shop season soon 😂
Heck yeah!
Super helpful buddy. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks buddy :)
Been following your channel for about 1 months, and absolutely love your videos… thank you!
Can I ask you what program you use to create all your plans? I love the look of it all. Thank you 🙏
Thanks :) I use adobe photoshop on my phone mixed with microsoft paint on my laptop. Lol i think we need to both schedule a class for the sketchup app! :P
Pity we dont have pickets here in the UK, so will have to fine alternative. Keep up the great work buddy
Thanks buddy :)
I was gun ho in them planter boxes last year. Finally got around building them this year and for nothing. People in my area tank the prices to $10, some looked like crap others were very good but not at that price.
Getting ready to build a chicken coop got several ideas for a nesting box curious if you filmed your build?
No, I didn't film the chicken coop build. Mine were just 11" x 11" x 11" boxes for them with bracing so it could be hung on the wall :P the market for the 3 picket planters is crowded this year, opps lol
Cool! Compliments! thank you for the explanation
Thanks buddy :)
Great info, Thanks!
Thanks buddy :)
Good info!
Thanks buddy :)
8:53 To be fair, the head of the screw is a Torx head. That's probably where you got the TRX from.
Maybe, I didnt notice until i was downloading the picture that it was called something COMPLETELY different. Lolol
i have been selling my scrap! 8 1-3/8 for side peices 4 1/2 x 1/2 for the legs and a coule of scraps for the bottom. fasion it so its 6" tall by 6" x 6" wide and trim the top as usual. i found ripping scrap to 7/8 works best for the top trim. then i sell them as table top planters for 10 to 15 bucks each. perhaps you can build one for a video. i have sold 6 of them for a total of $90. not bad for scrap wood
I did the same thing. My daughter bought a dollar tree plastic planter, so I designed a planter box that it goes into using my scraps and I sell them for around $25. People are buying them for Mother's Day. My scrap wood box is now just very small pieces for the most part. I ran out of scrap wood big enough to make the mini planters, so now I have to make some big planters to finish my minis.
Whoaaaa. Thats what Ive been working on this week :p baby planters
I posted mine on marketplace a week ago, then today I saw one that looks almost identical sold by a guy in a neighboring state.
Great video Brother. I came here on my phone to leave a comment and help drive that algorithm. I watched on my TV in the living room, but my son's signed onto Google on the box, so I guess comes up on your stats as unsubscribed viewers. It all makes me sign in to verify who's leaving a 'like' on the video.😕
You're one of the good ones Scott! Thanks for putting in the extra effort :)
I would like you to make a coffee table I am very interested into what it would look like I seen alot of shows but nobody makes a coffee table
Ive seen some cool funky coffee tables I wanna build! My plan is to transition to only project builds, it seems like UA-cam had plenty of clickbait-spoof woodworking videos and tool reviewers 🤣 Im excited to lock down a niche
Can I ask you a couple questions? 1. Where do you get your pickets? 2. How do you get them dry? Both big box stores near me, the pickets are not dry! I stack them and have fan blowing across them to help dry, so I can cut them.
That's what I do, stand them up vertically, let them sit and dry slowly, flipping them over every few days. The trick is to buy them far enough ahead of time that they are dry before planter season. Doesn't help you for this year.
@@greenhornadventure Thank you! Awesome channel!
Check out my "Boost your planter sales" video, i cover those questions :)
Check out my "Boost your planter sales" video, i cover those questions :)
Do your pickets ever have saw chatter marks on them from when they were manufactured? If so do you sand them out of leave them?
I leave them, i do not sand any of my pickets, i leave them rough cut :)
Damn those 36" people! Take the 35 and deal with it!
Exactly! Lol
$200 is a good price for a planter that size!
Its a hell of a deal. And you still make a good chunk of change
You gonna post the shed build at some point? That’d be really interesting to see.
When I get around to building my shed, yes I will :P i deleted the roof footage for the one I built for a customer -__- still upset about it :P
@@WhosTheVoss argh! That must be very frustrating. Sorry dude.
Good build. I've been selling at my own retail price and that's fine but I'm going to attempt to get with a local nursery. How much less than full retail would be standard? I mean I have to leave them room to mark it up, right?
I give them a 5-10% commission for each box they sell
@WhostheVoss if you were using 2 3/8 legs do you continue to use 2 3/8 for the beveled top?
You could, you only get two stripes with 2-3/8" versus 3 with 1-3/4"
How would you attach that center support to the box?
Pocket screws or longer screws through the shorter sides
So... what size GRK screws are you using? I don't think I caught that detail.
1-1/2" for the sides. The post planter I use is 2" into the 2x4 bracing so i sleep a little easier at night :P
Do you recommend using pressure treated or non treated wood for the planters?
Cedar is the way to go for projects like this.
Check out my "Boost your planter sales" video, i cover those questions :)
@@WhosTheVoss God bless brutha will do
I build few of the smaller pickets trying to sell it for $ 35 each , only one costumer want it .
Could be a lot of factors, check your area's demographic and price them accordingly. We are also just now getting into warmer weather where people are going to be buying plants. Plus the big box stores dont have their flowers in stock yet
@WhosTheVoss that's true , I'll kep that on mind ,thanks for the advice.
Do you have a download link for the plans
No plans for this one, mainly because I guessed on the sides and bracing :)
Start calling you “THE PICKET MASTER”!😂
I like the sound of that. I might need a picket crown! 👑
@@WhosTheVoss good luck on trying to take that from Matthew Peech!! Lol
Could I ask what optimizing software your using in your drawings ?
Welllll, i use a mixture of microsoft paint, pen up on my phone and adobe editor. It's truly a mess :P lol in a few weeks im diving into actual software to make better plans and will share what I find out :)
So what screws do you use? Won’t using screws split the picket?
Cedar is very porous, screws won't split out the board, i use 1-1/2" GRK's because they are rated for outdoor use and have a pan head
Do you use screws on the legs? Are you screwing into the side of a 5/8 picket and it won’t split it ?
Are you taking into account the left of the blade by the way? For example you say a 2x4 can be ripped to 3/4”, 3/4” and 1.5”. However, you won’t get that due to the kerf of the blade. Just wondering if you’re accounting for it in your measurements or are you cutting on the line and calling it good enough?
On the line and good enough, doesnt need to be exact for the supports :)
@@WhosTheVoss excellent! Thank you for responding. Very helpful mate.
Would you ask for a deposit on a recent repeat customer? I have been selling the long bed planters and a repeat customer come by asking for a shorter custom planter.
I would, actually the chicken nesting box lady hasn't come for her last box I made her. I had to relist it on marketplace to try and get rid of it.
What’s a good cedar stain to use?
You can use any outdoor stain, just know cedar is very porous and will soak up an entire can real quick. Also, being an outdoor project, the sun will fade the color so youll want to use a UV protectant over the top afterwards, Thompsons water seal makes a clear coat with UV protectant :)
There are no cedar pickets anywhere near me at the big box stores. Any advice on where I might find some?
Big box stores are my go-to. Smaller lumber yards usually have 1" thicker material which is costly
I’ll just have to wait for them to come back in stock
How can you NOT have seen Star Wars???? :P
🤷♀️ its on Disney+ now but it was never available when I was a kid
@@WhosTheVoss sometimes i forget how old I am lol
But doesnt mean i cant learn from a young guy 😉 Which i did with your vids, thanks!
May the force be with you 😁
@@WhosTheVoss Be careful what you say about STRWRS, to quote RDJ in Tropic Thunder "you bout to cross some lines..."
Man, I wish I could do math.
You got this buddy :)
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Brother, you need to stop what you are doing right now and watch Empire Strikes Back!
Its in my watch list! I dont get on Disney+ that much but its in there, patiently waiting ;)
You never seen any “Starwars?”
Nope, Star Trek was on antenna (we didnt have cable tv as a child) and until Disney+ you had to buy the movies. I could watch them now, its added to my watch list ;)
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Aww, Jeez... somebody put hallucinogens in the break room coffee pot again! 🥴