Medal Chasers Lost Us Malevelon Creek (& Afghanistan Too!)
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If you're just looking to make a veteran only group for hell divers, not being a vet myself, there is one name that comes to mind, the old guard
Malevelon Creek is already cementing itself in Helldivers culture; it's wild...
3 weeks of fighting on that planet and we still haven't come close to liberating it...
This will be a legendary battle
@@hoshyroI think the term to put it in is 'longest and most bitter slog of our time'.
@@hallowedbeyourdays Well that's part of the fun! One of the reasons Creek is so popular, besides the huge amount of time and effort that it'll require to conquer, is the fact it's basically like Vietnam, not too practical to battle on atm, slow, hard, messy... and I think that's part of why so many love it!
It has the perfect name to be something important to I mean really think about it *Malevelon Creek* that just sounds like a place where you're not gonna have a good time. Most of my crew I play with, have gone on to calling it "Malevolence Creek" pretty appropriate, considering how awful it is there for us now.
Malevelon creek will be liberated . . . We will come back just like the super period mc Arthur.
Democratic petition to assign the name "Seditionists" to the Helldiver farmers
Aye sir!
Seconded!
You mean traitors
Actually the farmers don’t have any influence over the war. And even if they did, how are you supposed to finish those evacuate scientists mission ? It’s impossible as of now. And ppl don’t tend to quit operations when they’re low difficulty. The actual devs said that quitting operations has no effect on the war. We must stop disseminating misinformation, even tho democracy is all about that, Helldivers is just a game.
Petition to make delusional people understand the fact that the liberation percentage system is not controlled by players a single bit but just devs and the worst part is that it's so obvious but people are still delusional.
Malevelon was not a defensive campaign it was a peace keeping campaign
INDEED BROTHER MATTHEW! the Borg menace of the Automaton attacked our efforts for stability and peace in the region and for this insult and evil they WILL be purged! FOR SUPER EARTH!
[This message brought to you by the Ministry of Truth]
The Death Korps of Creek will dive deep into enemy lines no matter what.
Gen 3 Spartans will have your back, Kreig Boi.
Remember the Creek!
It was found out that the farmers didn't do anything that would cause the planet to lose progress
But they also didn't forward the cause.
Here's the problem with them though I quickplay to play with people and every group I join is only in for the quick match and out for the extract mission I as a player who would have played for the full Sortie is instead stuck as the host leaves to restart
I thought the same thing, but it is still a parallel to the how he describes the afghan war. Not necessarily a direct step backwards, but the point is that it is not a step forward.
Not a win is called a loss
they still do effect us they inflate numbers making others think more divers are active then really are contributing. and their time spent is pointless and adds nothing to the effort.
It's worse then doing nothing
They farmed defense, but they failed to defend.
and the devs failed to balance the evac mission properly on the highest difficulties. having infinite hulks and tanks spawn perpetually and on top of you is not how you make a mission challenging. And civilian AI walking into walls or standing still to get killed isnt supposed to happen either, but it does and makes the mission impossible. I even had an issue last night where the doors bugged out and I couldnt even open doors for civilians to come out, we had to fail that mission because the game keeps getting bugged on that mission.
@@drag0nmancer I found seditionist I will report this descent to a democracy officer.
@@drag0nmancer It's also made worse by how the most _active_ wave spawn point is usually _right there_ literally a few meters away from the evac building, so the civilians are _always_ running into a whole group of hulks and devestators no matter how many times your try to clear the lane, because as soon as you kill one group another one _immediately_ drops in already within the path of the civilians.
And sorry, but 4 of us are not going to be able to kill a group of two or three hulks fqat enough to stop them from slaughtering the civies, not within using strategems that will kill the civies too.
Honestly, the evac mission wouldn't be nearly as bad if it wasn't for that *_one single damn respawn/drop point._* Because at least then the path can be temporarily cleared for civies when timed it right. As it is now, the path is _always_ overrun no matter how much ordinance is used and enemies are killed - the civies are always getting slaughtered np matter if I kill a dozen+ hulks or tanks.
And for this they are shamed in disgrace their citizenship revoked! fear not the night Brother with Liberator and Stratagem we will retake Malevolon Creek! For Super Earth!
@@drag0nmancer Still convinced that entire mission is bugged. says 45 min on the map but you get 15. feels like all the enemies that would spawn over those 45 min get clumped up within those 15 min. If the drops were spread out 3 times as much it would make a whole lot more sense and actually be doable without having 3 of your teamates pull agro away from the objective so you can sneak in and get the people out.
The OCD completionist in me wont let me abandon an operation before its done.
lol same.
Amen brother
"I'm not done till I've either finished the job, or I'm six feet under, and I'm *real* stubborn"
I drop into Malevolent Creek responding to a SOS call at level 6 Extreme difficulty. 3 players are in progress with 2 out of 7 fabricators destroyed.
Then one by one, players begin leaving the match. This better have been a network issue, because in the end, I was the only one left.
I manage to grab the samples they all dropped and worked my way around the map and destroy the remaining required fabricators just before time ran out.
Thankfully extraction was on high ground. Killed 2 Hulks and a bunch of Walkers. Extraction came just in time as a Tank was rolling up the ramp. I somehow managed to not die a single time during this whole fake rescue.
With that said. Good thing these guys did not show up on my recently played with list, otherwise i'd be beating all there asses right now. I am not letting the bots take back Malevolent Creek.
For the Creek!
Even outside of farmers been running into people fairly often that will just bail as soon as we start getting pushed back or they die more than 2x in a row, kinda annoying
@mukakruda8474 cowards
Remember the Slaughter of Malevolon Creek!
Glory to your bravery brother Hindru! know that your sacrifices and trials are for the glory of Super Earth! with boys like you out on the front I KNOW we can avenge the massacre of Malevolon Creek! Justice for the Creek! Glory to Super Earth!
That's honestly a wicked tale. I might save that to write about later. What name would you like the helldiver to have?
While the farmers contributed neither to the progress or loss of ground on Malevalon Creek, they indeed bloated the Malevalon fighting force number.
If we had 5k total on the planet, with only 3k contributing to the war effort and 2k farming, those checking the galactic map have no idea or way to determine what the hell is going on. Only that we are losing
Kinda like a paper tiger army or ghost army of people earning a soldiers salary and rewards but neither contributing to the national defense and selling equipment for profit or personal gain. Sounds familiar huh.
Prepare to meet LVL 50 Skull Admirals akin to all those NOKOR officers with tons of medals adorning their literal upper torso XD.
Day one player, I had no idea any of this was even a thing. Definitely going to start upping my mentor game when I get back in tomorrow.
No they did contribute to the downfall
They farm then they try to join the actual missions and they know nothing and get easily killed thinking that the rail gun will save there asses
They are quite literally the worse troops to be paired with lmao
They usually take a slot then leave halfway through the mission after getting their asses handed to them because they only know defense missions lmao
I don’t wanna hear nothing bout gate keeping because they practically gate keep themselves by making themselves brain dead from spamming to the point they dunno how to deal with actual missions lol
@@knitetimeteddy2989 I'm not sure what you're talking about. I frequently solo regular missions on Hard and carry nothing but breaker, a rail gun, and plain airstrike. I'm now Level 42, have been to every imaginable scenario, my ship is at 15/18, requisitions and green samples capped for quite some time. Defense missions are typically much harder than open field missions, unless what you meant is that they spam mortars. That would make some sense.
Also it's dumb that a finished mission doesn't count toward the war effort, because sometimes you just join a squad where you have no say where to go or what to fight, if a person has RL commitments (or feels bored idk) you just get kicked out from a server without completing the operation, and that's your time wasted as well. What else can you do but work towards some compensation, that's why we all grind for the resources. I even do it in harder missions (suicide and above) because you can't unlock certain aspects of your ship without super-samples. It's literally in the design of this game (just like it was in the design of Afghan operational theater).
Of course if I'm the one deciding, I like my operations done fully (every single time), and very rarely a squad of randoms will stick with me to the end. Usually it's just one guy (who, if not there already, will end up on my friend list).
Woah you're right
sweaty player will ruin every game out there
I think what we need to focus on if we really want to secure malevelon creek is to surround malevelon creek by liberating the planets around it so that it buys us more time for people to liberate it.
It was a terrible strategy from the beginning we were trying to take a planet that was surrounded by friendly planets that could reinforce it while they were simultaneously pushing us back on other planets near it we were never even close to taking the creek we didn't lose it we simply attacked and got stomped it has never gotten higher than 5% liberated
BRILLIANT IDEA BROTHER KEV! we shall keep taking territory and expanding the glory of super earth until all is under the banner once more. and then the borg will have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide! Glory to you Brother! For Super Earth!
While i dont mind living in the creek myself, if the devs want the bug farmers to fight bots they should just tweak the rewards a little bit higher on the bot missions during a campaign.
they also needed to lower the battlepass access to medium Armor Piercing weapons. You dont even get access to medium armor pen weapons until like Tier 6 in the free pass, or the 3rd page of the premium pass with the Dominator (my favorite primary weapon), which is something like 600+ medals either way. You need to do at minimum 70+ Helldiver difficulty mission completions in order to afford your first Medium Armor Pen weapon.
are you insinuating that our superiors are not doing their jobs to the best of the letter! how dare you sir! The ministry of Truth,Justice and War are ever progressing our influence and power as well as the righteousness of Managed Democracy, They ARE here for US and WE should be here for THEM! the system works change not perfection change only the wills of weak men! STEEL YOURSELF HELLDIVER WE ARE DROPPING IN!
@@drag0nmancer The Liberator Penetrator is also a** - the Breaker is the better weapon in almost every capacity.
@@drag0nmancerThe real problems is that most heavy weapons which should be effective antitank are hot garbage.
@@drag0nmancer1st page of premium. The pistol is medium armour pen. 2 shots berserker faces and 1 shots devastator faces with all the knockback effects of the other medium armour pen weapons
You know, the more this anti-farmer stuff spreads, the more likely Arrowhead is to impose penalties on farmers.
Yes
Other comments say farming isn't the problem... Honestly, a lot of it might be new players like myself. We had a 5 minute walk to get a cape as our tutorial, had some rough drops coming out of that... Once the new players get more familiar with the game and missions, we should turn the tide back.
@@DiogenesDworkinson Farmers do not help, ppl putting themselves before others, even if they do not damage the progress, they are not helping either. And in a community game like Helldivers it is an issue. Ofc they arent the only problem, new players, inexperienced players will also have difficulties achievin Orders, but there is a difference between not beeing capable of and learning, or beeing capable of doing it and just choosing not to.
@@DiogenesDworkinson its OK to stop like 10 missions midway, not a 100
Didn’t the devs confirm that leaving an operation early does not count as a loss and thus wouldn’t cause the automatons to gain progress?
The loss of Malevalon Creek was an unavoidable tragedy necessary for the preservation of (player) freedom.
We haven’t lost our beach head, Diver! We need more reinforcements on the Creek ASAP! Liberation was measured at 9% just a couple hours ago!
Reported to democracy officer you misinterpretation of the tenants will be punished swiftly we have only the freedom from choice.
It certainly sent a message brother Brayden! but at the unfortunate cost of so many lives.... But hold your head high Helldiver for reinforcements are on the way, hold strong Brother!
13:00 My mates and I came up with our own unit that we plan to roleplay as in-game (none of us actually have PS5s yet but we're getting there haha)
The 595th Helldiver Battalion aka "The Lightning Raptors".
Good luck on the field Helldivers, may the blessing of Super Earth be with you all
@@unknownsoul9300 Thank you sir! We're ready to do our part for Democracy!
As a Xbox Super Citizen, our hopes and prayers are with you when you finally deploy to The Creek
My buddy has a regiment I’m the XO of, we call our regiment The Helldivers 777th Shock Regiment - “Lucky Landers”
we have nearly 300 helldivers organized in the discord for operations mainly focused on the automaton front, and we have everyone from those focusing on completing operations to grinding those eradication missions for low levels so they can participate in the war effort more
I was on Tibit when we lost it. I dove on the Creek everyday since. To lose Severin sector is something that will haunt us for the rest of our days. Remember the Creek, gentlemen.
To try to be fair, the other day I joined a random group, finished the defense mission, and then the whole group went on to the next. Half way through the next mission, I got DCed and was so frustrated I went to play something else. I could have been mistaken as a farmer by the other players. I do wonder how often something like that happens.
How did we lose it if we never had it? People were wasting their time with Malevelon Creek. Both the 'farmers' and the actual players. We were told to defend planets by Command, not waste our time in Malevelon creek. Anyone who has been to afghanistan would know what following orders means too.
You DARE say our comrades' lives were wasted?? UNDEMOCRATIC!!! (Just joking.)
We bought you enough time to liberate mort and creek counteroffensive is a go
The goal is the capture planets, as long as planets are being liberated, goals are being achieved, your mindset sucks dude
Obviously offense is the best defense! The Malevelon Creek counteroffensive was supposed to distract the Automatons, with our most Elite Helldivers hitting the Automatons where it hurts, while the rest defend the Backlines!
However this kind of got lost in translation and Malevelon Creek became the main focus of the galactic Western campaign...
@@CCA.C17.SQL.02IdotThat is not a strategy, that is dying while they take our territories in an inefficient way.
I love how the beginning of the video sounds like a Super Earth News broadcast.
"Never abandon the mission"
Agreed.
No matter where, I only work on completing operations. I might be trying to farm out samples, but I will try to do the full operation.
I recall the CEO confirming that leaving an operation does not count against current progress. It simply does not ADD progress. So, farmers aren’t costing us directly, they’re also not contributing aaaaaaanything.
As for real life, fuck up or out. Bring back SPC5-7 across all MOS’s and branches, including combat arms.
You have two kinds of farmers. XP farmers and currency farmers.
XP farmers will only do eradication missions and avoid doing the other missions attached to the operation. This is done in under 5 minutes and doesn't hurt the warscore but it doesn't contribute positive score ether. It's a net neutral.
Then you have the currency farmers. These people only do level 1 trivial missions with little to no enemy presence and scour the map for the POIs looking for the extra requsition, medals, and super credits. Once they have these, then they abandon the mission so they can skip the unskippable results cutscene. THESE people actually contribute a NEGATIVE score and can do this every 10 minutes.
So you have 2/3rds of the player base every 7 minutes ether contributing nothing or a negative impact. That's effectively a negtive score overall every 7 minutes.
As for the remaining 1/3, they do every single mission in an operation and always complete the main objective at the very minimum. This is the only method for a positive score to be added but it can take up to 30-60 minutes per mission and at least 2 hours to clear an operation.
So in the entire time it takes 1/3rd of the player base to get the full positive. 2/3rds of th entire playerbase is contributing roughly x10-15 times the negative score.
We can't overcome that easily if at all. THAT'S why we're losing or barely hanging onto planets.
This is the best satire I have ever seen lmao
Name suggestion: The Malevelon Militia
Malevelon Creek, I keep going there in the hope to liberate it with my team.
I had the misfortune of running into farmers last night on a defense op, left immediately after calling them "Farming Trash"
I can tell.... this commentary made me understood Afghanistan campaign more than anything in years....
I only landed a few times on Malevelon Creek, but I’m fully ensconced in the bot war, aiding in the defense of Daunipir, Mort, and others. I may join the fighting on the Creek, when I next get the chance.
It's always good to see you posting a new vid, especially here Paul, but a few points.
1. Malevalon Creek was already under automaton control.
2. Arrowhead's already announced that farmers aren't the problem.
Except it was just one dev and they contradicted another dev. It just got flooded that "Arrowhead says" because one Dev said what people wanted to hear, and not what the other dev said which wasn't what people wanted to hear.
And here's the other problem, then why have the red bar on a planet and a timer, because the top timer has no impact on when a new planet opens up, and the red bar, besides it's spread being entirely inconsistent over a 16 hour period always moving faster the more players were on a planet, it ended the planet well before the planet timer completed.
There's something else that impacts the red bar, so can you get them to tell us what progressed the red bar? Because again, it wasn't timer based, the progression was inconsistent and changed based on the number of players.
It is stated in game that failing to complete an operation harms the Liberation of the planet.
@@Zael_Moonblade also if you actually read her post, she's no talking about the host players, she's talking about individual players who then abandon the mission. when the host is farming we lose operations, and that's what was costing us was the farmers who were hosting.
Which also side notes since Marry made that post, the farmers are back to pretending their good and the game, even going so far as trying to trash on people excited for the new mechs just because their "Shield+Railgun" meta is the only way to do 7+ and "you have to run otherwise rocket troopers will hit you with A rocket"
You have two kinds of farmers. XP farmers and currency farmers.
XP farmers will only do eradication missions and avoid doing the other missions attached to the operation. This is done in under 5 minutes and doesn't hurt the warscore but it doesn't contribute positive score ether. It's a net neutral.
Then you have the currency farmers. These people only do level 1 trivial missions with little to no enemy presence and scour the map for the POIs looking for the extra requsition, medals, and super credits. Once they have these, then they abandon the mission so they can skip the unskippable results cutscene. THESE people actually contribute a NEGATIVE score and can do this every 10 minutes.
So you have 2/3rds of the player base every 7 minutes ether contributing nothing or a negative impact. That's effectively a negtive score overall every 7 minutes.
As for the remaining 1/3, they do every single mission in an operation and always complete the main objective at the very minimum. This is the only method for a positive score to be added but it can take up to 30-60 minutes per mission and at least 2 hours to clear an operation.
So in the entire time it takes 1/3rd of the player base to get the full positive. 2/3rds of th entire playerbase is contributing roughly x10-15 times the negative score.
We can't overcome that easily if at all. THAT'S why we're losing or barely hanging onto planets.
@@graveyardshift6691 thank-you because most people don't understand the mechanics and I'm still trying to get a solid grasp of the mechanics since I know what I can observe, but haven't encountered all the different farmers or team killers out there, just the guys who boot you for not running meta, or conversely for running what they think is Meta noob build, when in reality you saw the squad comp and decided to round it out as an all-rounder.
quitting/rage quitting a mission dont count as a loss (keeping medal/super cred loot dont need evac)
failing a mission & evac counts as a loss (to get samples you need to evac with the samples)
but i could be wrong
random rant...
I juggled Recoiless & Expendable anti tanks to blow up dropships for this?! XD
edit for clarification:
the top part was my observation of how the we lost coz of farmers.
the bottom part is how i play the game in defense missions & I dont farm by the way.
its because if you dont finish the operation then no progress is made to liberation effort, when you farm you never finish the operation and thus you arent making any impact
@@Wacky10394
just a clarification.
the top part was my observation of how the we lost coz of farmer
the bottom part is how i play the game in defense missions + mortars & autocanon sentries.
also I would suggest properly using gas, napalm & mines. we learned that the hard way lol & I dont farm by the way.
I'd like to get some more concrete tactical information... Our tutorial and briefing was just a 5 minute walk to pick up a cape.
@@skyekrosshere's the problem with the "not the farmers" claim, no that's not what she said, and second it still goes contrary to observed evidence because the red progress bar's progression was not a constant but instead adjusted in response to the increase of players over a world. So even if quiting the operation didn't progress it, there is a correlation of number of players over a world and the speed at which the red progress bar advances. Meaning even if it's not the players quitting the defense missions but their mere presence then the farmers who are still contributing nothing are then a problem because their presence is making the red bar progress faster.
And for emphasis id the red bar was just a timer, then why have the second timer which had no real impact on when a new defense mission would appear?
@@codyraugh6599 so failing missions has no impact?
also sorry i didnt clarify what i said.
the top part was an observation. the bottom is how i play in those missions
& I dont farm
Doesn't help that the Rescue missions bug out causing the scientists to bunch up outside the shuttle doors and never enter.
Love your commentary and level headed insight of the machinations of the military complex. Not only that, but you bring it to a wider audience with such applicable means. I think, as a voluntary army, this information needs to be more widespread. Keep it up
"I paid for it. I'll play how I want."
Never has a phrase seemingly so simple piss me off so much. These selfish pricks are costing us the war AND good storylines.
I mean, is it really selfishness, or are these just green players who don't know they systems. We need to be mentoring our fellow helldivers, showing them how to win more than metals.
Or, you take it way too seriously.
You know most players don't even understand the war map fully, right? They just come in to explode stuff and laugh with their friends.
Touch grass.
@@DiogenesDworkinsonno, they are just CoD/League/(insert game with toxic player base here) players that want to meta and fastest way to the top, they're the toxic sweats that finish the Fortnite battle pass in the first two weeks. They don't care to play the way the game was meant to be played
Let me help. I paid for the game. I'll play how I want. Probably get more done than you too. I've probably completed more ops than you, farmed more than you and generally played the game more than you because I've had nothing else to do the past couple weeks. Furthermore, we're costing you nothing. Abandoning an op is confirmed to not reduce the player progress bar nor increase the bot progress bar. Failing a main objective in mission will, that's not how people farm though so.... you're factually wrong.
Unlike you though, I hope you continue to enjoy spreading democracy in the way you enjoy most. Maybe one day you'll extend others the same courtesy.
I play as a scout; Anti-Material rifle, ammo pack, scout armor and radar upgrade.
I like this for the long range, scouting ahead for secondary objectives/heavy enemies/jammers/towers as well as providing support at range.
I also now main the standard Eagle airstrike and Smoke Eagle strike for both attack on enemy outposts and providing cover for attacks or fall backs.
Probably not the most meta build for something like the Creek, but I find this to be the most fun.
Community manager confirmed that farmers had no negative impacts on the overall fight.
The devs already said farming does not count as a loss. People farming missions does not affect other players in any way.
It counts as a loss because it doesn't contribute to victory. When you leave the operation to find another eradication mission to farm, you forfeit any contribution towards liberation or defense.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694Nope. The fight with the factions never stops, they never stop taking ground while we’re all asleep. It’s how the devs explained it
@@ravekiller. But what if we aren't making progress because none of the missions ever get fully completed?
No, they say it counts as lost
@@Sworddeath727 we were stretched thin, and should’ve focused on neighbouring planets tbh. Then focused on the creek as a whole
One piece of good news tho. We only lost the Creek Briefly and thanks to a friend and myself we have video evidence of us rebooting the campaign for the Creek. Its in my channel labeled "To Reignite the Fight for Creek" First video you can clearly see the planet no longer accessible for new missions, second video you can see the planet back under liberation.
i just did about 16 missions tonight on Creek. out here trying to recover the land in the name of democracy one mission at a time!
Bots are a difficultly level up from Bugs - So if you drop on an easy bot, it's actually a medium.
Multiple devs have stated that purposefully backing out of a campaign does NOT negatively impact that planet's liberation. The reason it fell is 100% the rescue the scientists mission being ridiculous.
Hey Paul love the video. I find it kinda funny, and liking, this divergent to covering the real time video game war. Is this going to be a regular thing?
Also (in character) I, recently promoted sergeant, this problem is continuing into the most recent defensive operation against the bot’s. I can’t tell you how many times I am trying to evaluate civilians either by myself or lowly fresh baby face recruit will I am also watching these glory hounds helldive well outside the operation area. And when I seem to find a few of my fellow helldivers who actually want to be on objective and transfer to their Super Destroyer to continue operations only to after an operation or two they leave the system, sometimes to bug planet. And I have to transfer back to my ship and make the long 2 week jump back to the defense operation.
While I wait for command to short out these discrepancies, I can promise the citizens of Super Earth and especially the victims trapped by the bots, I Helldiver Sergeant Noble and my Super Destroyer “Aegis of Integrity” will not abandon you! I will get you out! I will liberate your world or die trying.
Battlefield update (due to resent event in game), I regret to report that the "Aegis of Integrity" was lost with all hands providing covering fire to evacuating civilians from Ingmar and myself who was planetside aiding in said evacuation. I have been reassigned to Arbiter of Truth and transferred to Veld dealing with the new Terminid infestation. While I and my fellow Helldivers morn the loss of the Integrity and her crew, my previous promise as a Helldiver remains, I, Sergeant Noble and my Super Destroyer "Arbiter of Truth", will not abandon you! I will liberate Veld! I will see you return to your homes there. I will push the Terminid threat out of the Orion Sector! And to the citizen of Ingmar, I will return or die trying! And when I do, As I am helldiving in to liberate you, you and all those who oppose liberty will hear me scream all the way down, "For the Integrity!"
Out of character, I have been wanting to change the name of the ship for a while and thought this was a good rp reason to do so. I might even make a tradition out of it.
The devs legit said that leaving an operation doesnt count as a failure helping the bots
Love your comparison between the game and real world events, being enlisted myself, its interesting to see some of the bigger consequences to the attitudes and atmosphere of military operations.
You've earned my subscription.
It's kind of wild to be watching this video on 4/3.....Those who are catching up who don't/haven't play/ed Helldivers 2, we've since taken back Malevelon Creek and defended it twice. Today was "in game" announced by "Super Earth Presidential Decree" to be Malevelon Creek Memorial Day. So make sure to take that mandatory 3 minutes out of your lunch break to pay your respects to the fallen.
But it's really wild how Malevelon Creek has basically, this far into the game's life, become it's own private war. It's not that fun to dive onto in my opinion because ion storms suck and dense foliage also sucks. But the amount of updates has been keeping the game interesting. Anyone wondering (and clearly not asking) if the Terminids have anything like that, not officially. But if I had to pin a planet to be the Bug "creek" it's got to be "the Mire" or Hellmire. Firey planet with extreme heat that saps your stamina and over heats weapons and then about 3 instances of fire tornadoes that last about 4-7 minutes each where they will "allegedly" target the players and mission objectives. Personally, they do. I've had SEAF Artillery loaded and just needing tuning before it's on line and that side objective done and fire tornadoes have rolled in and literally 5 of them just swept over the command console before 3 of them "mysteriously" started heading in my direction.
But regardless, this game is good on a holistic level. The parody is hilarious, the community usually is very good, and the devs are active.
The main issue is most players in the Automaton front rushed to Malevelon Creek instead of trying to secure the frontlines.
the crossover we didn't know we needed :) great video !
When it comes back I'm going to go to creek for the first time.
that gum reminds me of a certain german chocolate bar designed for "combat readiness" 🧐
I quit fighting on the planet because anytime i joined a match i was always met with toxicity , farmers or just complete brainrot
lot of us just got REKT by the scientist missions :D stupid civies got so many of us kilt QQ
Yeah, those are rough... a few people on here talking tactics say main group lures bots away, sneaky player goes in to rescue while the main group distracts.
Yeah, the scientist missions are bullshit.
we literally had a bug where we all the civvies just got stuck right next to the evac door.
we had to wipe out like 20+ civvies, because their path finding got absolutely fucked, which then fucked over our pay hard.
Easy method for dealing with those missions. Take 2 people with Recoiless Rifles and during the mission take turnes being eachothers backpack reload and aim for the drop ship thrusters and you can end up destroying the drop ships before they even drop a single bot making the escort need missions piss easy you're welcome :)
Its crazy this game has only been out for a month and already has its own "Alamo", really shows how unique this game is.
So this isnt actually true, the devs came forward and said that cancelling operations doesnt effect the liberation score or the automaton progression during major orders.
I'm still agaisnt it though because what it does is gives players who haven't learned the fundamentals of the game all the best gear without knowing how to use it. Along with scuffing the devs intended game progression.
And of course the fact that malevalon is unlikely to be taken unless the entire NA playerbase storms the planet all at once, which with how much the people who aren't on creek hate the creekers you can go figure the chance of that happening.
When u canceling operation after completing only one mission you dont deplete liberation %
there was no reason to try to hold Melvelon creek, the automotons already moved to a closer sector with multiple planets under attack we need to defend those and make our way back to re take it
In my 60 hrs I never joined any farmers. But I play the defend planets and switch to bugs sometimes.
I'm absolutely loving this game and the comradery and unity it has along with the requirement for small unit tactics. It captures the feeling of being part of something bigger than yourself and that sense of pride well. I have anecdote from somewhat recent service in 2018. I was a lower enlisted 11b in a Stryker Brigade Combat Team, we were geared up to deploy (supposedly to Afghanistan) and had received new orders to essentially disband on our way to NTC. Our own BC learned en route and basically had to tell all of us we had been training like Hell for nothing up to that point but to finish strong. This was frustrating for a lot of us, but everyone I asked said big army had decided Afghanistan didn't matter and they wanted to shift away from urban warfare and mechanized infantry and maneuver warfare to focus on new tank brigades to fight Syria and potentially Russia. I really appreciate your insight into the Officer side of things, from my perspective it felt that way too, many of the officers seemed more interested looking good and having good statistics than healthy or effective units. Similar to the game world it felt as if everything was just a show of optics at times, I still recall a random officer invited to join our 5 mile screaming down my neck that I was lowly private who should know my place in a company run. I had my heels stepped on and got too close to the guidon and some honor position I had no clue about. That was the moment I knew it wasn't real, that officers don't live in a sense of duty to their men as many claimed, they lived for the decoration, prestige, and status. Shiny medals and a literal special position was more valuable than me. Not to mention his behavior and lack of professionalism, I had expected them to be and looked up to them as examples of honor, discipline, and athletics up to that point. I had been going through some stuff at the time, and while there's no way to know that it's kind of my point. I had no intention of disrespecting him, and said nothing in response falling to the rear rather shocked, I had been chewed out way worse but.. In those runs you get zoned in and I in particular loved them and singing cadence again being part of something bigger than you, so honest mistake on my part. That taught me a valuable lesson about what I really meant to the army as a whole though, and it was less than a cog. It's interesting to me how despite being a fun rather casual arcade experience this game incorporates a lot of actual military elements and demonstrates a lot of negatives of service too especially that.
Paul is one of if not the only reaction UA-camr I actually hold great respect for, and you can tell he really makes an effort to defy the reaction UA-camr stereotype. Keep up the good work man, your content is the stuff.
Your channel is so neat. I love your historical insights. Really good content
Don't forget that like half of the playerbase was so cowardly they'd rather fight the bugs than the automatons..
The reason I gave up with the automaton missions was bc they were absolutely ridiculously brokenly impossibly hard. Then, the devs "fixed" the difficulty (which I think actually made it even harder), and then fixed it again one or two more times, I forget. But by the time it was actually playable, I was at max level (50) and had the max Requisition points (50,000) stockpiled up, so the measly reward of 12k requisition points meant nothing to me.
Also I enjoy killing bugs more.
P.S. I was not expecting to see your face on a video about Helldivers LMAO
Just today, my friend and i had some randos join us in an extreme difficulty mission. They came in and got their medal count and left. Very unpatriotic behavior.
Crazy how the developers have mentioned multiple times that the farmers don't actually effect the war effort and yet videos like this are still popping up!
Man, this was actually a really good video! An interesting weaving of game 'news' (for lack of a better term) and commentary. This feels like a natural evolution of Paul's usual reaction content.
I never fought on Malevelon Creek I enlisted after the fall, I was deployed on defense missions across the automaton front, I helped cover our researchers as they escaped off those worlds and was sent in with my fellow Helldivers to clear out invasion forces sent by the bots. I may not have been there but I respect the men that fought at Malevelon Creek, that went through hell, and those traitors that fought only for their own glory instead of the spreading of and defending democracy have proven their allegiance to the enemies of Super Earth.
The Devs/Super Earth command has stated that not completing operations does not advance the enemy invasion progress, but it doesn,t help liberation of the planet ether.
So completing an op helps. Failing a op hurts. And hopping from op to op does nothing.
Joel
I get disconnected either kicked, or removed because of a game crash like every 2/5 missions, and i cant even finish 3 missions reliably despite wanting to.
The thing that really catches my eye about this is that Malevelon Creek is the name of the PLANET. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the whole PLANET was a CREEK!
Hey MHGR, great video as always and I think it would be a cool idea to see you review the stratagems from an experienced military perspective.
I did my part and did not farm, I've also helped new divers learn the ropes! I've given shield packs etc to help the team, I have video proof...im also a level 50 and still wear the badge of Death Captain proudly.
It’s interesting to know that the military did that in Afghanistan and real life EXP farming effect real life people.
When gaming is getting to real this days
it's a dark and messed up reality but it's also understandable because a military needs people with real experience so they can pass down their knowledge to succeeding generations. you can only learn so much from history and textbooks because warfare changes all the time since technology is always adding new ways to conduct warfare, Ukraine and their drone tactics for example changed how people see and employ drones. When people heard the word 'drone' they used to think of the big predator/global hawk aircraft but now people are reminded of simple, low cost hobby drones that can be modified to carry lethal or support payloads.
Aaron at the SubBrief channel, (US Navy submariner) spoke of the same issue about the retention policy, particularly the rule of "up or out." He disliked how the military pressures you to promote which will inevitably remove you from your occupational specialty and into an administrative or advisory role. He really loved his job as a sonar operator but because he had to promote or get out, he could no longer be hands-on on the job and had to shift into a leadership role.
In your case it's understandable why combat leadership is valued however it became a source of corruption compounded by a deployment length of "just" 12 months that undermined the mission, perhaps these lessons will be applied in a similar campaign in the future. In Aaron's case, I was thinking maybe leaders ought to have an obligation of 'X' amount of time in certain billets/responsibilities to accrue leadership experience and have the choice to return to their original occupational specialty in a hands-on capacity for 'X' amount of time before requiring a return to administrative roles if they wish to continue having more hands-on opportunities- it would be like a rotation between leadership/admin and hands-on work. I suggest this because there are people in the military who genuinely love their occupational specialty and are good at it but are forced into desk jobs or other appointments that are not as hands-on and my solution, or a compromise rather, allows experience to stay at the job while also giving them the opportunities to grow as a leader and learn the other facets of administration required in any organization.
I’m doing Helldiver difficulty against automaton but I get joined by level 5 cadets while in rank 50 and it’s like a war movie saying “CADET! This fight is beyond you get out of here!” I also go to low rank missions to help cadets sometimes giving them my weapons as aid
Also, it’s a crazy world where a video game battlefield is an effective tool to communicate the catastrophe of a real war
This farming issue should be have been displayed on our Super Carriers. So much information is displayed while reviewing planets. There should be statistics and even news showing what the Helldivers actions are on each planet.
the devs made it this way. don't hate the player... hate the game.
that said, now with my farming done, I will be joining the Malevelon Creek efforts. THE CREEK SHALL BE DEMOCRATIZED AGAIN!
what would you think of getting the Helldivers skull with "Death From Above" captioned around it as a tattoo? would it be too close to actual military tattoos and be disrespectful? or do you think enough people know what the game is to understand the reference?
i've learned so much from this experience and this video about the war than i did growing up during it. lol
Let's be honest losing Malevelon Creek was a canon event and an introduction that war isn't always won with bruteforce or sheer patriotism but through a collective effort. We have no one to blame to anyone other than to learn from our mistakes. (in gameplay wise the devs thought it would be too easy to keep conquering planets. You all really think the devs didn't pull an GM card and played a hand on the fall of MalevelonCreek? Then call it our fault? They literally pull strings behind the curtains and literally affect the game sessions of many streamers by providing orbital strikes and reinforcements when none of your teammates ever called it.).
4:26 to be fair a lot of those divers were still green recruits who were thrown into the thick of the fighting to shore up the front it ended up tiring into a literal meat grinder
I actualy love this. The fact that this game for some reason mirrors real life occurence without direclty forcing it to be that way is amazing to me. Perhaps studies will be written about this the same way people studied the plague in WoW.
Oh no! Not Super Afghanistan 😢
That intro was actually wild
Not condoning the farmers, but it has been confirmed that canceled missions don't negatively effect liberation; however, it does not positively effect it either.
Interesting enough as a veteran of the creek as well as most incursions in the automaton sectors, those medal farmers also tend to perform the worst in scenarios where you need to get actual objectives done.
The Malevelon Creek Front was reopened, Helldivers have mobilized to retake the planet
Robo 'Nam is more like 'Nam then I ever thought it could be lol
i don´t like to fight the automatons, i like to fight the bugs.
So glad that you are playing helldivers. Hopefully I will meet ya on the battlefield buddy. For Super Earth
Devs Confirmed Abandoning missions do not contribute to lost planets only failing them
You would think your Replacements would pick up where you left off and to build on it as best they can😂
So you mean malevolent creek will become future real life military textbooks and examples to research.
it will be recorded in super earth's history book forever as a failure. pretty sure the developer would make a story out of this. this is free content for them.
Came for the Helldivers stayed b/c i enjoyed hearing your inputs on our failures as a military. And i agree with you...i noticed a lot of what you mentioned myself
I didn't know this was a thing, only been playing 5 days. Now I know. We will get it back! For freedom!
I'm assuming metal grinders who tended to enjoy The Killing end up becoming Mercenaries
It really boils down to a design issue. There should be other lucrative farming options so the people that they know are going to be repeat farming the (honestly ridiculously high) resources for upgrades aren't messing with live events if they're going to build the game in a way that quitting part way into a mission kills the progress.
yeah, this issue would be fixed if farming wasn't so tedious.
the costs of upgrading your ship are really high imo, same goes for unlocking new weapons as well, especially, when a lot of them don't feel that powerful to me honestly. they are not bad, just that the cost that they expect of you are so high for what I would consider quite underwhelming weapons.
I got pretty good with operating in the creek, by far my favorite
Same fellow creek veteran 🫡
A worker from helldivers 2 said it doesn't count against us only failing a mission.
Talking about The Creek and Afghanistan in the same video is funny af
This great injustice and selfishness boils my patriotic blood.
I’m still a shiny, but I didn’t know you needed to complete the whole set of 3 in order for it to count in Super Earth’s favor. That’s about 2 & 1/2 hours depending on who your teammates are.
I have a Unit Name/Idea "The Reclaimers" basically if you lose Territory in a Location that can't be Reinforced at the Time as the Warfront has moved to a New Location but should be Held, "The Reclaimers" go in as Group to either Prevent or "Reclaim" & Hold that Position until the New Warfront is Cleaned up until it's not as Resource Demanding as it was Earlier.
(I'm not apart of the Helldiver's Community nor do I have the Game/Military Experience so do whatever with my Idea)