Fun fact, according to the upgrade descriptions, until you buy the upgrade, your orbital bombardments are muzzle loaded. Which means each time after you call one in they send a guy out in a space suit to load it again like a musket!
Or they could be like warships did it back when they had rows of cannons firing from the side. They where muzzle loaded as well, what they did was push the gun to the gun port and when it fired the recoil sent the cannon backwards to the reloading position and the crew started reloading them for another shot. Mind you still would need to be doing it in spacesuits on a spaceship.
MULTI TRILLION DOLLAR space ship with orbital drop pods, faster than light travel, geo synchronous orbital thrusters, and a plethora of science fiction like armament. Has to have a astronaut muzzle load said armament before firing… RIP
One point of accuracy that I love in Helldivers 2 is that, just as in real life for infantry, your personal weapon is pretty much a security blanket you hug real close as you wait for the real guns to do the work.
Another detail of the Carl Gustav in game is that if someone is standing behind you while you are firing it, they get hit with backblast and get sent off their feet!
Not just the recoilless, any rocket-based weapon in-game has backblast. (this includes the expendable anti-tank weapon and the rocket sentry, and I even witnessed the rocket-armed robots knocking down a friendly bot with backblast)
More fun detail, the reason for the loader to hold his right hand like that is so that he can quickly push the open lever which will block the firing pin if there suddenly are friendlie in the backblast area.
@@zanaduz2018there’s no true rocket weaponry in the game, they’re all recoilless rifles technically. Even irl the RPG-7 is a recoilless rifle that is more so rocket assisted rather than rocket propelled.
@@iterationfackshet1990 The Spear fires rockets. The projectile can literally curve around an enemy and fly back to hit you in the face, definitely not traditional propellant.
@@iplay9s in hindsight another thing he’d appreciate is the autocannon using a giant toggle-lock system like a giant Luger pistol (which also gets a full-auto mode in the R menu)
Not only does throwing away the magazine take it out of your inventory, but if you try and fire again in the middle of a reload, the gun will fire only one bullet until you finish reloading. Very good attention to detail.
Plus most guns keep a round in the chamber, so if you reload with 1 round remaining, your character will reload "faster", by which I mean they don't have to pump a shotgun, use a charging handle, etc. The Scorcher is an exception to this, since it's an energy weapon and the "magazine" is just a battery.
@@menacingdonutz Yep. And you have to be really conscious of it, as sometimes it's better to reload a mostly depleted round and throw away a few rounds, rather than needing to reload only a few seconds into the next encounter.
Fun fact, the weapons that can be wielded one-handed all have a unique one-handed reload animation when you're using the Ballistic Shield. I think I'm the only player on the planet that ever uses it, but it was a neat detail I noticed. I love Arrowhead's attention to detail!
The shield also protects your back when it's there instead of in your hand. We tested that, it was hilarious to have my friend yell at me to shoot him while we were running away to test it lol.
I'd also like to see him talk about the JAR-5 Dominators Jet propulsion ammuntion, maybe even throw the knight in for fun to talk about the p90 top load magazine
I'm not sure if anyone else noted, but if you go hold the reload button you can actually adjust the optic, fire mode and more on most of these weapons. So the knobs on the anti-material *are* usable!
@@ThatNaimad I'll second this: the SG-8 "Punisher" uses iron sights, is pump-action, and forgoes a flashlight. It also lacks any sort of adjustment option.
PLEASE get jonathan on to talk about helldivers again. I want to see the look on his face when he sees a 15mm shoulder-mounted stripperclip-loaded toggle lock autocannon
Yeah. If it was a 15mm, it would "technically" be classified as an Anti-materiel/HMG. After all, the Russians have a 14.7mm HMG. And there isn't a whole lot of difference(in width) compared to a 15mm(everything else considering length of case, density of bullet, and material of bullet doesn't matter in this specific conversation).
@Misdemeanorv2 I believe the distinction between an autocannon and heavy machine gun is that a machine gun fires bullets, rather than shells. For example, the German MG 151/15 developed in 1934 is an autocannon, despite only firing 15mm rounds. I think the reason there aren't many autocannons below 20mm is simply due to the difficulty of manufacturing shells that small. And also I think when you get down to that size, there's not much point and you might as well just use a .50
I really love the fact this game went so hard into co-op/team-play. I know it sours it for people who don't want to play with others but the fact there's weapons that really shine when a squaddy helps you reload and such is such a great mechanic. I've honestly not played a single game nor seen any that I can remember that has a similar system other than maybe some mil-sim games with mortars where it might be a two-person weapon.
"Nothing beats artillery really...except for air power, I suppose." GOOD NEW, Super Earth has supplied our brave Helldivers with air power in spades; be it close-air support via the Eagle or low orbit bombardments from your own Super Destroyer.
Ah but low orbit is space power and can be beaten by if halo taught me anything ground mounted mac cannons (artillery) and that beats air power finally our modern rock paper scissors game is complete
oh man the large arsenal set pieces were out of Lost Planet, unfortunately not operated manually like in LP2. but seeing mechs are coming down the pipeline of the game since HD1 has, im happy
5:48 You do actually switch tubes as you're firing the shotgun. If you go into first person mode as you fire the Punisher Shogun, you can see how the character flips over a little tab, indicating that he changed tubes.
and you also load rounds into each side, depending on the depleted tube, which makes reloading the second tube slower, since you need to reach further and flip the tube switch when you're done. There's also a sound effect and the ammo indicator goes empty-red when you switch.
Yeah we're definitely gonna need a part 2 for Helldivers 2. I absolutely NEED to see Jonathan's reaction to the autocannon. On a separate note, when you fire the punisher shotgun in first person it actually has a big chonky selector lever on the top that show which tube the gun is being fed from! And you can see it changing position when it switches tube!
maybe the shotgun has a follower tab or some other in-built mechanical implement that automatically switches it to the other magazine when the first one runs empty
@@baraka629 If i recall from Forgotten Weapons' video on the shotgun in question, it automatically alternates tubes if you have the selector in the middle, or you can choose which side to load from using the selector. It's even more clever a design than Jonathan gives it credit for, and that's not even just the future version, that's the real version.
One thing the H2 does really well is aiming. I love how your reticle is just a “where I want to be aiming” and the circle is where your weapon is actually aiming. With heavier weapons as well this means you can quickly turn but because of the weight your circle drags behind and will overshoot your reticle abit as you pull it where you want it. It creates a very natural feeling aiming system that despite being done artificially (it’s not actually tied to your weapon) makes you aware of where your weapon is really aiming rather than where you want to aim.
A note about a backpack "magically appearing" for the flamethrower, the autocannon pod comes with an ammo pack, so the flamethrower could work similarly. Also, pretty sure the capes are fireproof Probably for this exact reason too, these guys love their capes
There's a blurb somewhere (possibly a loading screen tip) about the capes being very popular at military surplus stores because they're water- and fire-proof and very durable. Campers use them for tents.
I'd wager the flamethrower may have had a backpack once, but during development they couldn't make it useful enough to justify losing the back slot. Completely baseless theory on my part, though.
@@CrizzyEyesIt’s the description for the starting Helldiver cape you earn after the tutorial. It’s a references to the poncho cloaks the real military issues. You can take those and string them up as tents too.
IMO, they might have better fuels in future. The Pelican can effortlessly reach orbit without being a multi stage rocket while it's engines throw normal chemical flames, not plasma or smth so it's running on some very potent fuel.
with the UTS-15 ingame, your character does actually switch between which tube is being loaded! If you're playing in first person mode you can see the toggle just at the bottom of the screen, and once your shells are half empty it will swap from the left tube to the right!
You can toggle a setting to "remember aim mode" and every time you aim it would be in first person@@Afx2519 Personally I like the dynamic toggle setting where if I only tap the aim button it swaps
Regarding UTS-15 operation; The magazine selector has three positions, pushing the selector in either the left or the right position will block that tube so the gun only feeds from the opposite side, while sitting in the middle allows both tubes to feed alternatingly, beginning with whichever tube was loaded first.
On the SG8 Punisher shotgun, I'd imagine the 'cutouts' are actually sealed. Plexiglass (or similar) barriers would mean you could witness the chamber without the issues Jonathan mentioned.
My friend group contains several gun nerds and the cutout magazine was a real sticking point for one of them. I managed to close off that argument by suggesting that it does cause fouling, but the shotguns are probably disposable and replaced after each mission anyways.
Whats really cool about the artillery or bombardment strategems is that everything will come in based on the direction and angle from the source of fire i.e. orbital bombardment comes in at an angle from the center of the map as thats where the ship is. Depending on where the on map artillery is it can be blocked by obstuctions depending on the angle that its coming in from
Eagle Strikes are also called in perpendicular to the direction you threw the beacon in which can let you angle them to hit hard to reach targets with good positioning.
With all the times he mentioned how archaic some sci-fi guns' mechanisms are, it'd be neat if we get a video of just Jonathan talking about what an actual futuristic gun would be like. Delving into the machinery, what improvements there should be, what would be left out. It'd be a neat consultation video for any gun maker to watch when they're designing futuristic guns.
It's not unusually thought about but if we assume space travel as still costly and weight being a sensitive issue, case less ammo (HK space gun) would make alot of sense even if it would forever be more costly to produce which isn't even a given I think.
@@gur262 Ah, good ol' logistics is King. It's honestly one of my favourite things about war and military that I've recently learned. Logistics wins wars! And it's natural that it would be the first issue to solve in any futuristic setting. How do we make things more cost effective and optimized? Yeah, this is the thing I want to see Jonathan talking about, or just anyone who's knowledgeable about weaponry. What advancements will we see first, and the changes it will bring?
@@gur262 if they build manufacturing plants in orbit or space, that eliminates the concern of lifting stuff off-planet. Weight is only a factor then in going back down, when gravity takes hold. Caseless seems a given so you don't have casings floating around in zero-G, getting into places they shouldn't. tbh, so does ammunition that doesn't pierce ship hulls (as standard) so you don't depressurise the whole ship if you miss your target. UNSC soldiers in Halo don't use irons or optics typically, there's a helmet link kind of deal with a projected crosshair. It's them explaining gameplay stuff with lore but, I think it's a decent sounding solution for bulky space suits and armour. Could change how weapons are braced, if you're not lifting them up anymore? Infinite Warfare had on-ship weapon manufacturing and iirc the Marathon trailer has weapons that look semi 3D printed, that seems like maybe something that could be a thing in the future. Build replacement parts, or weapons, as you need them rather than waiting for resupply (which could take weeks if you're remote af). I have a lot of thoughts because I was designing a space shooter for a while lol, it's fun to think about stuff like this.
Check out Forgotten Weapons here on UA-cam. He has a video on the H&K G11 which should satisfy your need for futuristic weapons, crafted by Germans with a blank canvas and unlimited budget.
I love how he said "Nothing beats Artillery but Air Power" because 'orbitals' (this games equivalent of Air power) are the most effective way of dealing with enemies.
air strikes are faster and thus hit moving targets better than orbital strikes, which are basically unguided artillery (orbital bombardement is like unguided rocket artillery, long wait time, but many shells hitting that area)
Thanks to this series and Jonathans eagle eye I started to notice: With the Machine Gun in Helldivers 2 they actually went through the effort to make the primers of the rounds on the belt right. Before the round is shot the primers don't have a dent, but they do when they get ejected. This is one of the many neat little details(like the Reload Animation working without any problem in 3rd and 1st person view, with some details only visible in 1st person) that I really love about this game! Edit: I might be wrong, but I think the Flamethrower might works with the substance "E-710", an oil like substance, that is also used to fuel ships and other machinery, and that is won by decomposting Terminid Carcasses. Could explain the small tank :D
Hahaha exactly! E710 is the extremely (albeit unrealistic) compound that fuels everything. It's super Oil. Also, if you write 710 and look at it upside down..... 🤣
Not-so-proud owner of a UTAS UTS-15 here. There is a middle position that you can put the tube selector into, which makes the gun alternate the tube in which it feeds from. So you don't *have* to manually switch your tube.
The thing about the SMG-37 Defender is it actually fires a larger caliber round then a standard SMG at a slower rate of fire and is also able to be fired one handed. My thoughts is it's an intermediary between an assault rifle and a paratrooper's weapon.
I do think this will need a part 2 to cover many of the support weapons that didn't get covered. Jonathan's take on the toggle-lock, stripper-clip-fed portable autocannon is definitely my top vote for what should be in there, but even the JAR-5 Dominator would also be an interesting one to hear about (the description makes it out as essentially a WH40K bolter).
One of my favorite little touches is that in addition to the fact that you cant reload without tossing any ammo left, you also cant *interrupt* your reload, if you do you continue it from the next stage of the animation when you inevitably find out you cant fire and try to reload again lol
One of my favorite details, the only other game I've played that does this is Titanfall 2 and HD2 goes even farther with multiple stages you can interrupt it at. The number of times I've tried to fire the recoilless only to find I hadn't fully latched it...
Insurgency: Sandstorm also has staged reloads, where if you interrupt the reloading process you will have to pick it back up from wherever you left off.
I think it would be more accurate to say that you CAN interrupt the reloads and then continue where you left off. In most games, if you interrupt a reload you have to start from the beginning the next time.
it was a welcome one, reminds me of survival shooters, thats player agency for a co-op horde shooter how often being chased by bugs which made the game normal difficulty on hard. was surprised harder difficulty ain't that steep and its accessible in contrast to WWZ and Vermintide of no need to master the game
the MP-98 actually almost resembled one of the original P90 prototypes more than the current. It shares the same pistol grip and thumb hole design, but it inverts it to keep the barrel up top. It's the wood furniture that made it a giveaway for me.
It's also worth noting that the Recoiless Rifle (the Karl Gustav lookalike) also has a backblast your teammates need to worry about, launching them flying backwards similarly how explosions do, albeit dealing less damage.
Fun fact on the pump shotgun actually does have a lever on the top of it that you can see in first person that indicates which tube it’s feeding from and it will switch sides as you fire it.
A video featuring Jonathan is always a treat, definitely do a part 2 for this, there's so much more I'd love to hear his takes on! Especially the autocannon. As very many are saying, it seems.
5:44 the UTS-15 actually has a switch behind the magazine tubes and above the chamber, and if it is left in the middle position it will alternate feeding between tubes, one of our regular customers bought one when they first came out and we tried it in our test range in the back of the shop
"To whom it may concern." is a great way to characterize that kind of self-covering suppressive fire realistically/more like withering fire in most games for shooting on the move, lol.
Might not be too special these days, but it's worth noting this game does follow "one in the chamber" rules where reloading prematurely has a different animation that's a bit faster and, with mag-fed weapons, gives an extra round. Definitely want a part 2! Pleas include the autocannon!
Please Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK, break down the weapons from *METAL GEAR SOLID 3* before the remake comes out. So many weapons in MGS3 to react and comment on like the Patriot's infinite ammo magazine, the EZ tranq gun, Snake's customized officer M1911A1, Snake whittling the pistol grip to use a knife for CQC, Ocelot's SAA juggling skills, The End's paratrooper tranquilizer Mosin Nagant, the Davey Crockett recoil-less nuclear launcher and Eva's chinese mauser clone. There are so many more other interesting trivias and weapons in MGS3 so please Dave and Johnathan make a video for the game.
You know what, I think this is the best comment that has ever recommended MGS3. Like I have seen people say "Do MGS3" but this comment goes even deeper. It's been a while since I played it so I had forgotten about some of those.
Some things to consider. Most weapons have a selector menu accessed by holding the reload button/key. This is used to adjust sights, rate of fire, fire mode and flashlight options, depending on the weapon. You can adjust the zoom on the AMR, among others. A bit more strangely, the machine guns have fire rate selection. Rifles and SMGs have sensible automatic, burst and single fire selection.
oh my god you can change the zoom on it? i tried the hold button menu a couple times and thought it only did fire mode and flashlight so i left it alone... thanks for the tip.
5:37, the UTS has 3 feed positions on its switch. Left tube, right tube, or alternating. So you can fire all 14 rounds without having to stop to touch the switch if you leave the switch in the center position.
I believe the reason a lot of these weapons utilize the Kalash-style reload, where the cocking handle is on the righthand-side of the weapon, has to do with this game being developped in a 3rd-person perspective and so the animations needed to reflect strongly with that perspective; if the cocking handle was on the lefthand side, the character' body would likely block any of the reload animations that the team wanted to show off, so they probably opted to flipping onto the side you're most likely to be able to see it with the set perspective. It's like whenever 1st person games would sometimes flip the gun models around, so conponents thatd be on the righthand side would show on the left and so the animators can show off with how they animated conponents on the gun.
When I saw the AR 23 Liberator it made me feel like a starship trooper. I knew it looked like a Tavor when I first picked up the game the day after it came out. Jonathan Ferguson made me super interested in firearms design and history and that is a career I want to pursue. Thank you Jonathan Ferguson.
I wonder if Dave noticed that you can change the firing rate on the machine gun. It's a neat mechanical detail that Jonathan would probably appreciate.
So two things: first, they changed the designs of the basic assault rifles. If it were anyone else, I'm not sure I'd bring it up, but Johnathan might be interested to know that the original Helldivers rifles were more SA80. Second, he should look at FEAR's weapons. Edit: Two more things I forgot to mention. The game has two belt feds: the first one has a delay where the barrel has to catch up with the mouse cursor and the player has to stand still, and the second one doesn't have these disadvantages but is less powerful. Also, the mini-nuke was the perfect chance to talk about the M-28 Davy Crocket.
You have to stop and take a knee to reload the heavy machinegun, whereas the light one can be reloaded on the move. It's also meant to be fired prone, not standing, whereas the light is more mobile. It's a cool way to make them both viable but situational. Jonathon would die inside seeing some of the reload animations in FEAR, they're dreadful.
Ad a metallic powder to the fuel mix and make the rails to exert a bit of Lorentz force, like a rail gun, and in theory you could give the fuel a little bit of extra range. Theorically speaking, no idea if it could be implemented in real life.
If a part 2 gets made, they definitely have to show off how you can change the fire rate on the MGs or the zoom (and zeroing distance!) on the liberator.
With the anti-material rifle, you can actually adjust the zero distance if you hold your reload button! You can also adjust the RPM for the machine guns and change fire modes for pistols and ARs the same way!
I think it would be awesome for another throwback, like the Order 1886, this time for Killzone 2 and/or 3. Those have some really cool guns, and I remember the flamethrower being particularly awesome, because it was a pressurized fluid that you could even arc over cover.
It's been said a thousand times but I love the self awareness that while this can be taken as genuine criticism, it's also Sci-Fi so it doesn't really matter as much as more grounded games and in turn that makes these videos more like commentary and insights from an expert which is much more fun to watch than just someone clowning on something for not being realistic in a game that isn't supposed to necessarily be realistic.
Regarding the grenade launcher impact fuse comment, I do think that it actually does have impact fuse but also it has a delay in the fuse activation to prevent detonations while hitting a very close target.
It does, I was able to confirm that today by getting stuck in terrain! Grenades wouldn't detonate when they hit the terrain I was stuck in, and when I got close enough to bugs it would ricochet instead of detonate.
So funny enough if you first person ads into the first shotgun shown here that has two mag tubes. Once you get halfway through the rounds a switch just behind the reddot sight flips from the left side to the right to show a switching of feed from one tube to the other. Really hope they go back and show that to Johnathan in a part 2 as from what I've seen of this game and these guns..the developers have either a gun nut on the team or getting this all right / somewhat believable was a labor of love.
Love the little details on the guns. Even though it’s third person and you don’t get to see the guns up close, they have little things like mag releases, rivets and bolt releases fully modeled.
It's so good. It's by no means a serious milsim and yet the number of things it does even in a cartoony way are amazing. I can't remember the last game I played where you have to account for back blast, or where suppressing fire actually works, or the enemy starts firing mortars that take a few rounds to dial in your position.
I'm very happy being a Helldivers 1 Veteran to see that Helldivers 2 blew up (very justified) enough to get a coverage on this channel aswell. Good stuff! Can't wait to see you praise all the weapons ! >:D
17:11 and they just undid this with the recent patch. Literally just made it shoot generic fire puffs. The kicker - they claimed that they did this to make it more "realistic." Literally made it unrealistic, and claimed they did it to make it more realistic. So done with these devs, I'm convinced they just found this game in a cereal box, and tried to profit off of it, while having no idea what they were actually doing. Even fools can stumble into money.
I love how Jonathan seems to pull out weapons from his inventory to show on camera like he's a videogame character. And I'm amazed that this game has crew-served portable weapons! And especially manages to make them fun to use.
On the AR.23 liberator, the front hand guard was thicker and stippled to act as a foregrip, maybe bc of the flashlight/laser thing taking the place of the actual hand guard, or just to have the option for it
The funny thing about the flamethrower is that there is a whole backpack ammo system for some guns. Namely the recoilless rifle shown earlier. They could have done that with the flamethrower too, but I guess they wanted it to be less restrictive.
I think the reason the ar23 would be so robust is because of when you are fighting bug and automatons it you have to dive a lot to survive. So it is quite useful if your weapon is very durable.
I just realised, the reason the canister of gas / liquid for the flamethrower is so tiny, is due to it probably using E-710, the fuel they use for FTL, from the bugs.
I also love how if you're running behind the recoilless rifle when it's fired it knocks you over. It doesn't hurt, at least not when it happened to me, but I enjoy that you gotta keep your backblast clear
The MP-98 Knight looks to me like it actually WAS a standard bullpup SMG but has been modified to take the top loading magazine to increase its capacity. That whole framework for the magazine protrudes above the gun, unlike being flush like the real P90, and looks like it comes off fairly easily with a couple of pins. It would be interesting to see something like this ingame, maybe as a more balanced middle ground weapon between the Knight and Defender.
We absolutely need to see his take on autocannon. Also on point of flamethrower, funnily enough they could absolutely go for a backpack, but that would really require buffs to it.
While I don't think it says in the game, my head cannon for the flamethrower is that they use some type of gas compressed into a liquid and its aerosolized upon firing which is why you get so much spray for your tank.
I like that Jonathan have the silenser mod on his Carl Gustav. That conical breech thing rings like a bell when ever you operate it or just bang in against something. That black rubber thing att the wide end makes is so much less ringy. We used to use old innertubes or just 15-20 turns of electrical tape.
I've been genuinely impressed by the amount of detail in Helldivers 2. Frankly, it barely needed it considering it's primarily 3rd person, so I would understand not making the most detailed models and animations. However, they're incredibly detailed. In my opinion, the Slugger version of the pump action shotgun is one of the most well detailed guns I've seen in recent time. The slugger shows the character reloading both magazine tubes, along with the lever that flips to show which tube it's feeding from. It also has a scope, which shows the scope blacking out due to the angle the weapon is in while using the pump. Really amazing detail coming from a game that has no real reason to be all that realistic.
Fun note on the punisher, there is a switch on top of the gun in 1st person that indicates which tube it's feeding from, and it actually flips when you hit half capacity, which is super cool
The part he said about the flamethrower backpack is interesting, because whilst he obviously missed the part where swappable backpacks are an actual feature in the game, that might actually be a nice thing had they designed the flamethrower that way for the game. As it is, the flamethrower currently feels a little wimpy, but I'd love to see it gain a backpack for ammo, and generally buff the gun to match the cost of carrying one. Make it a genuinely significant power weapon, with the associated trade offs of not being able to use any other backpack.
7:15 I also think that the basic design is because they need to fit in the drop pods too. You need something simple, rugged, and compact when you're deploying into combat in a Pringles can. They also canonically have friends/family donate funds for ammunition and kit for Helldivers. So clearly Super Earth is relying on a certain amount of donations. We're definitely not Gucci soldiers, we're being cost somewhat efficient. (as I say as a 500kg bomb drops on a single terminid grunt in game).
In the use of the punisher pump action shotgun, there's actually a switch on the top that, in game, will actually be moved over to unblock the other magazine tube in game, it just happens so fast you normally don't notice it. It also gets switched back after the magazine tube on the left is fully loaded to unlock the other tube on the right
Fun fact, according to the upgrade descriptions, until you buy the upgrade, your orbital bombardments are muzzle loaded. Which means each time after you call one in they send a guy out in a space suit to load it again like a musket!
Really feels like the rear-loaded upgrade would knock off more than 10% cooldown lol.
@@ajeenius7437the guy in the space suit is a very quick worker
The lore and setting of the game is almost as over-the-top and hilariously dark as the gameplay itself.
I love it.
Or they could be like warships did it back when they had rows of cannons firing from the side. They where muzzle loaded as well, what they did was push the gun to the gun port and when it fired the recoil sent the cannon backwards to the reloading position and the crew started reloading them for another shot. Mind you still would need to be doing it in spacesuits on a spaceship.
MULTI TRILLION DOLLAR space ship with orbital drop pods, faster than light travel, geo synchronous orbital thrusters, and a plethora of science fiction like armament.
Has to have a astronaut muzzle load said armament before firing…
RIP
One point of accuracy that I love in Helldivers 2 is that, just as in real life for infantry, your personal weapon is pretty much a security blanket you hug real close as you wait for the real guns to do the work.
Dude you spelled it out perfectly 😂
You say that but my AMR rip and tears until everything is done
AMR really does it all
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Another detail of the Carl Gustav in game is that if someone is standing behind you while you are firing it, they get hit with backblast and get sent off their feet!
Not just the recoilless, any rocket-based weapon in-game has backblast. (this includes the expendable anti-tank weapon and the rocket sentry, and I even witnessed the rocket-armed robots knocking down a friendly bot with backblast)
More fun detail, the reason for the loader to hold his right hand like that is so that he can quickly push the open lever which will block the firing pin if there suddenly are friendlie in the backblast area.
@@zanaduz2018there’s no true rocket weaponry in the game, they’re all recoilless rifles technically. Even irl the RPG-7 is a recoilless rifle that is more so rocket assisted rather than rocket propelled.
@@iterationfackshet1990 The Spear fires rockets. The projectile can literally curve around an enemy and fly back to hit you in the face, definitely not traditional propellant.
There is: the rocket sentry is, as well as the Spear (which is a powered ATGM).
I can’t believe nobody pointed out to Jonathan that the MG-43 (Machine Gun Stratagem) has 3 different fire rate settings
yea most people dont even know you can open that menu
@@iplay9s in hindsight another thing he’d appreciate is the autocannon using a giant toggle-lock system like a giant Luger pistol (which also gets a full-auto mode in the R menu)
I was sad to see he wasnt shown the autocannon or its sentry@@darkninjacorporation
Isn't that the Stalwart? Can't recall the MG-43 having any options at all really
@@KentuckyFriedJohansson no, the Stalwart is the LMG with no settings but a larger capacity. The initial larger MG you start off with has the settings
Not only does throwing away the magazine take it out of your inventory, but if you try and fire again in the middle of a reload, the gun will fire only one bullet until you finish reloading. Very good attention to detail.
Plus most guns keep a round in the chamber, so if you reload with 1 round remaining, your character will reload "faster", by which I mean they don't have to pump a shotgun, use a charging handle, etc. The Scorcher is an exception to this, since it's an energy weapon and the "magazine" is just a battery.
I’m still training myself out of reloading partial mags, it hasn’t mattered in the games I’ve played for years it’s such a hard habit to break.
Annoying when you’re panicking cause it cancels reload
Staged reloads. But reloading in first person is very satisfying to see.
The liberator rifle, the Senator Revolver and the Breaker shotgun.
@@menacingdonutz Yep.
And you have to be really conscious of it, as sometimes it's better to reload a mostly depleted round and throw away a few rounds, rather than needing to reload only a few seconds into the next encounter.
Fun fact, the weapons that can be wielded one-handed all have a unique one-handed reload animation when you're using the Ballistic Shield. I think I'm the only player on the planet that ever uses it, but it was a neat detail I noticed. I love Arrowhead's attention to detail!
They have the same animation when you're carrying the SSSD
@@CrizzyEyes Oh that's true. I forgot about the SSDs.
The shield also protects your back when it's there instead of in your hand. We tested that, it was hilarious to have my friend yell at me to shoot him while we were running away to test it lol.
I've seen the onehanded reloads when carrying the ssd.
Related, if you get blown away you will lose the shield and have to go pick it up again.
Not having Johnathan react to the Autocannon is a crime. Looking foward to part 2 please
I came here for the autocannon!
That was one I wanted to see as well, but what I really want him to react to are the stratagems.
I'd also like to see him talk about the JAR-5 Dominators Jet propulsion ammuntion, maybe even throw the knight in for fun to talk about the p90 top load magazine
@@krelekariknight is at the end of the video lol
And the mortar sentry.
I'm not sure if anyone else noted, but if you go hold the reload button you can actually adjust the optic, fire mode and more on most of these weapons. So the knobs on the anti-material *are* usable!
In fact, I believe the guns with adjustable sights are the only ones with those adjusters.
@@ThatNaimadnow that you mention it, yeah I think that those are the only ones that can
@@ThatNaimad I'll second this: the SG-8 "Punisher" uses iron sights, is pump-action, and forgoes a flashlight. It also lacks any sort of adjustment option.
PLEASE get jonathan on to talk about helldivers again. I want to see the look on his face when he sees a 15mm shoulder-mounted stripperclip-loaded toggle lock autocannon
UGH YESSSSSS!
A *fully automatic* shoulder-fired autocannon!
Are you sure it’s 15mm? The usual classification for an auto cannon is 20mm or above
Yeah. If it was a 15mm, it would "technically" be classified as an Anti-materiel/HMG. After all, the Russians have a 14.7mm HMG. And there isn't a whole lot of difference(in width) compared to a 15mm(everything else considering length of case, density of bullet, and material of bullet doesn't matter in this specific conversation).
@Misdemeanorv2 I believe the distinction between an autocannon and heavy machine gun is that a machine gun fires bullets, rather than shells. For example, the German MG 151/15 developed in 1934 is an autocannon, despite only firing 15mm rounds. I think the reason there aren't many autocannons below 20mm is simply due to the difficulty of manufacturing shells that small. And also I think when you get down to that size, there's not much point and you might as well just use a .50
I really love the fact this game went so hard into co-op/team-play. I know it sours it for people who don't want to play with others but the fact there's weapons that really shine when a squaddy helps you reload and such is such a great mechanic. I've honestly not played a single game nor seen any that I can remember that has a similar system other than maybe some mil-sim games with mortars where it might be a two-person weapon.
"Nothing beats artillery really...except for air power, I suppose."
GOOD NEW, Super Earth has supplied our brave Helldivers with air power in spades; be it close-air support via the Eagle or low orbit bombardments from your own Super Destroyer.
Or Jack here with a jump pack and a grenade in his hand.
For Democracy, Jack.
Ah but low orbit is space power and can be beaten by if halo taught me anything ground mounted mac cannons (artillery) and that beats air power finally our modern rock paper scissors game is complete
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Jonthan absolutely MUST react to the Stratagems, or at the very least be given a list of them so he can comment.
oh man the large arsenal set pieces were out of Lost Planet, unfortunately not operated manually like in LP2. but seeing mechs are coming down the pipeline of the game since HD1 has, im happy
5:48
You do actually switch tubes as you're firing the shotgun. If you go into first person mode as you fire the Punisher Shogun, you can see how the character flips over a little tab, indicating that he changed tubes.
and you also load rounds into each side, depending on the depleted tube, which makes reloading the second tube slower, since you need to reach further and flip the tube switch when you're done. There's also a sound effect and the ammo indicator goes empty-red when you switch.
Yeah we're definitely gonna need a part 2 for Helldivers 2. I absolutely NEED to see Jonathan's reaction to the autocannon.
On a separate note, when you fire the punisher shotgun in first person it actually has a big chonky selector lever on the top that show which tube the gun is being fed from! And you can see it changing position when it switches tube!
Me too, that thing is a beauty!
Is the autocannon the giant Luger?
@@FluffyFleshwall autocannon sentry would be cool to see him go "Oh its a toggle lock"
maybe the shotgun has a follower tab or some other in-built mechanical implement that automatically switches it to the other magazine when the first one runs empty
@@baraka629 If i recall from Forgotten Weapons' video on the shotgun in question, it automatically alternates tubes if you have the selector in the middle, or you can choose which side to load from using the selector. It's even more clever a design than Jonathan gives it credit for, and that's not even just the future version, that's the real version.
One thing the H2 does really well is aiming. I love how your reticle is just a “where I want to be aiming” and the circle is where your weapon is actually aiming.
With heavier weapons as well this means you can quickly turn but because of the weight your circle drags behind and will overshoot your reticle abit as you pull it where you want it.
It creates a very natural feeling aiming system that despite being done artificially (it’s not actually tied to your weapon) makes you aware of where your weapon is really aiming rather than where you want to aim.
It's so rare that Jonathan Ferguson, keeper of Firearms & Artillery, gets to talk about artillery. I'm excited about this one
A note about a backpack "magically appearing" for the flamethrower, the autocannon pod comes with an ammo pack, so the flamethrower could work similarly.
Also, pretty sure the capes are fireproof
Probably for this exact reason too, these guys love their capes
There's a blurb somewhere (possibly a loading screen tip) about the capes being very popular at military surplus stores because they're water- and fire-proof and very durable. Campers use them for tents.
I'd wager the flamethrower may have had a backpack once, but during development they couldn't make it useful enough to justify losing the back slot. Completely baseless theory on my part, though.
@@CrizzyEyesIt’s the description for the starting Helldiver cape you earn after the tutorial. It’s a references to the poncho cloaks the real military issues. You can take those and string them up as tents too.
When you use the jump pack you burn off the bottom part of your cape. Maybe flame retardant would be a better description
IMO, they might have better fuels in future. The Pelican can effortlessly reach orbit without being a multi stage rocket while it's engines throw normal chemical flames, not plasma or smth so it's running on some very potent fuel.
with the UTS-15 ingame, your character does actually switch between which tube is being loaded! If you're playing in first person mode you can see the toggle just at the bottom of the screen, and once your shells are half empty it will swap from the left tube to the right!
how do you turn on first person?
@@Afx2519 It's only for aiming with weapons, there is no true 1st person mode.
Came here to comment this, very neat little detail
You can toggle a setting to "remember aim mode" and every time you aim it would be in first person@@Afx2519
Personally I like the dynamic toggle setting where if I only tap the aim button it swaps
Little details like this keep the game fresh and ooze with love from the devs.
HD1 was great, this is a masterpiece.
Regarding UTS-15 operation; The magazine selector has three positions, pushing the selector in either the left or the right position will block that tube so the gun only feeds from the opposite side, while sitting in the middle allows both tubes to feed alternatingly, beginning with whichever tube was loaded first.
On the SG8 Punisher shotgun, I'd imagine the 'cutouts' are actually sealed. Plexiglass (or similar) barriers would mean you could witness the chamber without the issues Jonathan mentioned.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Something like the P90 magazine where you can see the bullets.
My friend group contains several gun nerds and the cutout magazine was a real sticking point for one of them. I managed to close off that argument by suggesting that it does cause fouling, but the shotguns are probably disposable and replaced after each mission anyways.
It's really not that hard to imagine fouling doesn't matter when a helldiver isn't likely to survive a single mission.
Whats really cool about the artillery or bombardment strategems is that everything will come in based on the direction and angle from the source of fire i.e. orbital bombardment comes in at an angle from the center of the map as thats where the ship is. Depending on where the on map artillery is it can be blocked by obstuctions depending on the angle that its coming in from
Eagle Strikes are also called in perpendicular to the direction you threw the beacon in which can let you angle them to hit hard to reach targets with good positioning.
And the angle of orbital call ins increases as the destroyers get closer to leaving!
With all the times he mentioned how archaic some sci-fi guns' mechanisms are, it'd be neat if we get a video of just Jonathan talking about what an actual futuristic gun would be like. Delving into the machinery, what improvements there should be, what would be left out.
It'd be a neat consultation video for any gun maker to watch when they're designing futuristic guns.
It's not unusually thought about but if we assume space travel as still costly and weight being a sensitive issue, case less ammo (HK space gun) would make alot of sense even if it would forever be more costly to produce which isn't even a given I think.
@@gur262
Ah, good ol' logistics is King. It's honestly one of my favourite things about war and military that I've recently learned.
Logistics wins wars! And it's natural that it would be the first issue to solve in any futuristic setting. How do we make things more cost effective and optimized? Yeah, this is the thing I want to see Jonathan talking about, or just anyone who's knowledgeable about weaponry. What advancements will we see first, and the changes it will bring?
@@gur262 if they build manufacturing plants in orbit or space, that eliminates the concern of lifting stuff off-planet. Weight is only a factor then in going back down, when gravity takes hold. Caseless seems a given so you don't have casings floating around in zero-G, getting into places they shouldn't. tbh, so does ammunition that doesn't pierce ship hulls (as standard) so you don't depressurise the whole ship if you miss your target.
UNSC soldiers in Halo don't use irons or optics typically, there's a helmet link kind of deal with a projected crosshair. It's them explaining gameplay stuff with lore but, I think it's a decent sounding solution for bulky space suits and armour. Could change how weapons are braced, if you're not lifting them up anymore?
Infinite Warfare had on-ship weapon manufacturing and iirc the Marathon trailer has weapons that look semi 3D printed, that seems like maybe something that could be a thing in the future. Build replacement parts, or weapons, as you need them rather than waiting for resupply (which could take weeks if you're remote af).
I have a lot of thoughts because I was designing a space shooter for a while lol, it's fun to think about stuff like this.
Gotta love The Expanse for that. Bullets....they go fast...ships...go fast too.....together....bad news.
Check out Forgotten Weapons here on UA-cam. He has a video on the H&K G11 which should satisfy your need for futuristic weapons, crafted by Germans with a blank canvas and unlimited budget.
I love how he said "Nothing beats Artillery but Air Power" because 'orbitals' (this games equivalent of Air power) are the most effective way of dealing with enemies.
air strikes are faster and thus hit moving targets better than orbital strikes, which are basically unguided artillery (orbital bombardement is like unguided rocket artillery, long wait time, but many shells hitting that area)
Thanks to this series and Jonathans eagle eye I started to notice: With the Machine Gun in Helldivers 2 they actually went through the effort to make the primers of the rounds on the belt right. Before the round is shot the primers don't have a dent, but they do when they get ejected.
This is one of the many neat little details(like the Reload Animation working without any problem in 3rd and 1st person view, with some details only visible in 1st person) that I really love about this game!
Edit: I might be wrong, but I think the Flamethrower might works with the substance "E-710", an oil like substance, that is also used to fuel ships and other machinery, and that is won by decomposting Terminid Carcasses. Could explain the small tank :D
Hahaha exactly! E710 is the extremely (albeit unrealistic) compound that fuels everything. It's super Oil.
Also, if you write 710 and look at it upside down..... 🤣
@@JPilestedt Guys, new lore just dropped straight from the source! :D
Flip E-710 upside down. You Get "OIL-3"
@@NateTheScot We skipped Oil 2 and went straight to Oil 3, that's just how good Oil is.
@@NateTheScot Hahaha I read it as OIL-E a play on words of "oily" which sounds like such a fittingly goofy thing to refer to future super-fuel as.
Not-so-proud owner of a UTAS UTS-15 here. There is a middle position that you can put the tube selector into, which makes the gun alternate the tube in which it feeds from. So you don't *have* to manually switch your tube.
Yeah, that's a KSG thing.
The thing about the SMG-37 Defender is it actually fires a larger caliber round then a standard SMG at a slower rate of fire and is also able to be fired one handed. My thoughts is it's an intermediary between an assault rifle and a paratrooper's weapon.
Makes complete sense, but you wouldn't call it a smg at that point, it is a carbine now
I like to think it’s the UMP of HD2, hits hard shoots slow.
I do think this will need a part 2 to cover many of the support weapons that didn't get covered. Jonathan's take on the toggle-lock, stripper-clip-fed portable autocannon is definitely my top vote for what should be in there, but even the JAR-5 Dominator would also be an interesting one to hear about (the description makes it out as essentially a WH40K bolter).
One of my favorite little touches is that in addition to the fact that you cant reload without tossing any ammo left, you also cant *interrupt* your reload, if you do you continue it from the next stage of the animation when you inevitably find out you cant fire and try to reload again lol
One of my favorite details, the only other game I've played that does this is Titanfall 2 and HD2 goes even farther with multiple stages you can interrupt it at. The number of times I've tried to fire the recoilless only to find I hadn't fully latched it...
More games should do this to stop reload canceled from exploiting
Insurgency: Sandstorm also has staged reloads, where if you interrupt the reloading process you will have to pick it back up from wherever you left off.
I think it would be more accurate to say that you CAN interrupt the reloads and then continue where you left off. In most games, if you interrupt a reload you have to start from the beginning the next time.
it was a welcome one, reminds me of survival shooters, thats player agency for a co-op horde shooter how often being chased by bugs which made the game normal difficulty on hard. was surprised harder difficulty ain't that steep and its accessible in contrast to WWZ and Vermintide of no need to master the game
the MP-98 actually almost resembled one of the original P90 prototypes more than the current. It shares the same pistol grip and thumb hole design, but it inverts it to keep the barrel up top. It's the wood furniture that made it a giveaway for me.
I really like it when it's Jonathan and Dave talking with each other, gives it a short podcast feel. Would love an actual podcast with these two.
It's also worth noting that the Recoiless Rifle (the Karl Gustav lookalike) also has a backblast your teammates need to worry about, launching them flying backwards similarly how explosions do, albeit dealing less damage.
Fun fact on the pump shotgun actually does have a lever on the top of it that you can see in first person that indicates which tube it’s feeding from and it will switch sides as you fire it.
A video featuring Jonathan is always a treat, definitely do a part 2 for this, there's so much more I'd love to hear his takes on!
Especially the autocannon. As very many are saying, it seems.
5:44 the UTS-15 actually has a switch behind the magazine tubes and above the chamber, and if it is left in the middle position it will alternate feeding between tubes, one of our regular customers bought one when they first came out and we tried it in our test range in the back of the shop
That sounds really cool.
"To whom it may concern." is a great way to characterize that kind of self-covering suppressive fire realistically/more like withering fire in most games for shooting on the move, lol.
I came here waiting to see Johnathan be impressed by all the different elements of the auto cannon. Please do a part 2 and include that.
Might not be too special these days, but it's worth noting this game does follow "one in the chamber" rules where reloading prematurely has a different animation that's a bit faster and, with mag-fed weapons, gives an extra round. Definitely want a part 2! Pleas include the autocannon!
Please Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK, break down the weapons from *METAL GEAR SOLID 3* before the remake comes out.
So many weapons in MGS3 to react and comment on like the Patriot's infinite ammo magazine, the EZ tranq gun, Snake's customized officer M1911A1, Snake whittling the pistol grip to use a knife for CQC, Ocelot's SAA juggling skills, The End's paratrooper tranquilizer Mosin Nagant, the Davey Crockett recoil-less nuclear launcher and Eva's chinese mauser clone.
There are so many more other interesting trivias and weapons in MGS3 so please Dave and Johnathan make a video for the game.
we might need some dedication for this
He's just gonna turn into British sigint
You know what, I think this is the best comment that has ever recommended MGS3. Like I have seen people say "Do MGS3" but this comment goes even deeper. It's been a while since I played it so I had forgotten about some of those.
Agreed. We need mgs3
This really needs to become the top comment
Part 2 please! Lots of weapons left to check out! :D
Some things to consider.
Most weapons have a selector menu accessed by holding the reload button/key. This is used to adjust sights, rate of fire, fire mode and flashlight options, depending on the weapon.
You can adjust the zoom on the AMR, among others. A bit more strangely, the machine guns have fire rate selection. Rifles and SMGs have sensible automatic, burst and single fire selection.
Funny enough, the BAR had a fire rate selector.
oh my god you can change the zoom on it? i tried the hold button menu a couple times and thought it only did fire mode and flashlight so i left it alone... thanks for the tip.
@@Zanpaaif a weapon have a scope, you can
The Negev has it too@@JeffHikari
@@Zanpaa You can change the zoom on the AR-23 and its variants, the DMR's and the Anti-Material Rifle, at least that's what I can recall from memory.
5:37, the UTS has 3 feed positions on its switch. Left tube, right tube, or alternating. So you can fire all 14 rounds without having to stop to touch the switch if you leave the switch in the center position.
I can't wait for a part 2! It would be cool to see Jonathan's reaction to an Eagle strike! And the fact that the Eagle is essentially a Space-A10 😂
I believe the reason a lot of these weapons utilize the Kalash-style reload, where the cocking handle is on the righthand-side of the weapon, has to do with this game being developped in a 3rd-person perspective and so the animations needed to reflect strongly with that perspective; if the cocking handle was on the lefthand side, the character' body would likely block any of the reload animations that the team wanted to show off, so they probably opted to flipping onto the side you're most likely to be able to see it with the set perspective.
It's like whenever 1st person games would sometimes flip the gun models around, so conponents thatd be on the righthand side would show on the left and so the animators can show off with how they animated conponents on the gun.
When I saw the AR 23 Liberator it made me feel like a starship trooper. I knew it looked like a Tavor when I first picked up the game the day after it came out. Jonathan Ferguson made me super interested in firearms design and history and that is a career I want to pursue. Thank you Jonathan Ferguson.
I wonder if Dave noticed that you can change the firing rate on the machine gun. It's a neat mechanical detail that Jonathan would probably appreciate.
So two things: first, they changed the designs of the basic assault rifles. If it were anyone else, I'm not sure I'd bring it up, but Johnathan might be interested to know that the original Helldivers rifles were more SA80.
Second, he should look at FEAR's weapons.
Edit: Two more things I forgot to mention. The game has two belt feds: the first one has a delay where the barrel has to catch up with the mouse cursor and the player has to stand still, and the second one doesn't have these disadvantages but is less powerful. Also, the mini-nuke was the perfect chance to talk about the M-28 Davy Crocket.
You have to stop and take a knee to reload the heavy machinegun, whereas the light one can be reloaded on the move. It's also meant to be fired prone, not standing, whereas the light is more mobile. It's a cool way to make them both viable but situational.
Jonathon would die inside seeing some of the reload animations in FEAR, they're dreadful.
We need that part 2, I gotta see his auto cannon and rail gun reactions, maybe even some of the stratagems like the hellbomb and the eagle strikes
17:10 a rail system on a flame thrower is just hilarious
If I had to guess, it's because the part is reused from another gun. Makes sense both in-game and in terms of development
Hilarious until the rail attached mini Super Earth flags are released!
For long-range, accurate flame throwing!
Ad a metallic powder to the fuel mix and make the rails to exert a bit of Lorentz force, like a rail gun, and in theory you could give the fuel a little bit of extra range.
Theorically speaking, no idea if it could be implemented in real life.
Install a thermal scope for the synergy bonus
If a part 2 gets made, they definitely have to show off how you can change the fire rate on the MGs or the zoom (and zeroing distance!) on the liberator.
I'm doing my part, and so is Jonathan!
With the punisher shotgun, there actually is a moving tube selector when you're in first person, a detail they didn't need to add but still did
Really need to play this. This seems like so much fun.
Also, asking kindly for a Valkyria Chronicles video. Please.
If you'd said that last week, I'd have told you to wait a bit. But now the servers actually work so that's nice.
@@t4nkychannel921Oh yeah ? Well I will probably buy it now. Was waiting to hear the connection problems are better.
Bought it last night and ended up playing a lot longer than I planned. It’s a great game!
Maveleon Creek is in danger of falling! We need more Helldivers to hold back the bots.
You should brother, I already have 120 hours and its really good
With the anti-material rifle, you can actually adjust the zero distance if you hold your reload button! You can also adjust the RPM for the machine guns and change fire modes for pistols and ARs the same way!
I'm sad the auto cannon wasn't shown. It's a C96 Muaser that's shoulder fire and I think John would love it.
We need another one of these videos!
I think it would be awesome for another throwback, like the Order 1886, this time for Killzone 2 and/or 3. Those have some really cool guns, and I remember the flamethrower being particularly awesome, because it was a pressurized fluid that you could even arc over cover.
It's been said a thousand times but I love the self awareness that while this can be taken as genuine criticism, it's also Sci-Fi so it doesn't really matter as much as more grounded games and in turn that makes these videos more like commentary and insights from an expert which is much more fun to watch than just someone clowning on something for not being realistic in a game that isn't supposed to necessarily be realistic.
4:12 "The one handed to whom it may concern"
Absolutely poetic
Regarding the grenade launcher impact fuse comment, I do think that it actually does have impact fuse but also it has a delay in the fuse activation to prevent detonations while hitting a very close target.
It does, I was able to confirm that today by getting stuck in terrain! Grenades wouldn't detonate when they hit the terrain I was stuck in, and when I got close enough to bugs it would ricochet instead of detonate.
So funny enough if you first person ads into the first shotgun shown here that has two mag tubes. Once you get halfway through the rounds a switch just behind the reddot sight flips from the left side to the right to show a switching of feed from one tube to the other. Really hope they go back and show that to Johnathan in a part 2 as from what I've seen of this game and these guns..the developers have either a gun nut on the team or getting this all right / somewhat believable was a labor of love.
Love the little details on the guns. Even though it’s third person and you don’t get to see the guns up close, they have little things like mag releases, rivets and bolt releases fully modeled.
We need a part 2! Autocannon, Slugger, Senator, JAR-5 Dominator, the quirky energy weapons!
5:35 this guy predicted the sg-20 halt 😭😭
3:54 I didn't expect to learn something for actual gameplay here! Good to know, thank you!
One of the things that made me fall in love with the game was how the weapons worked. It felt good and grounded even though it's a scifi setting.
It's so good. It's by no means a serious milsim and yet the number of things it does even in a cartoony way are amazing. I can't remember the last game I played where you have to account for back blast, or where suppressing fire actually works, or the enemy starts firing mortars that take a few rounds to dial in your position.
@@SalamandaaThe more I play and hear about from others, the more details I find. It’s a superbly made game.
Love to see a part 2 with some of the other weapons and stratagems, also the features like changing rate of fire etc.
i am once again asking for you to bully jonathan by making him react to whatever warframe's guns are
bros gonna see the incarnon weapons and just give up
@@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar The shotgun turns into birds. Metaphorical weapon design. Should have sent a poet.
Would love a part 2 for sure!
Was there even a Helldivers 1 video from Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries?
Jonathan's face when he talks about the "Flared backend" and gives it a little tap... I saw that Jonathan xD 10:17
Now think, this game came out within 6 months of starfield LOL.
I'm very happy being a Helldivers 1 Veteran to see that Helldivers 2 blew up (very justified) enough to get a coverage on this channel aswell. Good stuff!
Can't wait to see you praise all the weapons ! >:D
17:11 and they just undid this with the recent patch. Literally just made it shoot generic fire puffs. The kicker - they claimed that they did this to make it more "realistic." Literally made it unrealistic, and claimed they did it to make it more realistic. So done with these devs, I'm convinced they just found this game in a cereal box, and tried to profit off of it, while having no idea what they were actually doing.
Even fools can stumble into money.
I love how Jonathan seems to pull out weapons from his inventory to show on camera like he's a videogame character.
And I'm amazed that this game has crew-served portable weapons! And especially manages to make them fun to use.
1:32 Because democracy!
I love how detailed the first person reloads are in this. Just a fun thing to see during the game
You know, I like the idea of there being a flamethrower variant where you use the backpack slot but get more ammo. like an optional addition
I wish we could look at the support weapons like we can look at primary and secondary weapons
PLEASE DO A SECOND ONE OF THESE this game is so good it does a lot of things right i think
On the AR.23 liberator, the front hand guard was thicker and stippled to act as a foregrip, maybe bc of the flashlight/laser thing taking the place of the actual hand guard, or just to have the option for it
The funny thing about the flamethrower is that there is a whole backpack ammo system for some guns. Namely the recoilless rifle shown earlier. They could have done that with the flamethrower too, but I guess they wanted it to be less restrictive.
I think the reason the ar23 would be so robust is because of when you are fighting bug and automatons it you have to dive a lot to survive.
So it is quite useful if your weapon is very durable.
0:09 Loved Ferguson's reactions to Warhammer Darktide weapons. Looking forward to this.
Johnathan, your Soldadera shirt is top notch! Awsome stuff 👍🏾
I just realised, the reason the canister of gas / liquid for the flamethrower is so tiny, is due to it probably using E-710, the fuel they use for FTL, from the bugs.
Fun fact the dual mag shotgun actually has a tube selector switch that you flip after firing everything out of the first tube.
His genuine knowledge of firearms and having fun with commenting on the games is always so strangely wholesome!
On that anti-materiel rifle, the scope knobs aren't greebles. You can adjust the zoom by holding R for set ranges.
I also love how if you're running behind the recoilless rifle when it's fired it knocks you over. It doesn't hurt, at least not when it happened to me, but I enjoy that you gotta keep your backblast clear
The MP-98 Knight looks to me like it actually WAS a standard bullpup SMG but has been modified to take the top loading magazine to increase its capacity. That whole framework for the magazine protrudes above the gun, unlike being flush like the real P90, and looks like it comes off fairly easily with a couple of pins. It would be interesting to see something like this ingame, maybe as a more balanced middle ground weapon between the Knight and Defender.
We absolutely need to see his take on autocannon. Also on point of flamethrower, funnily enough they could absolutely go for a backpack, but that would really require buffs to it.
While I don't think it says in the game, my head cannon for the flamethrower is that they use some type of gas compressed into a liquid and its aerosolized upon firing which is why you get so much spray for your tank.
I like that Jonathan have the silenser mod on his Carl Gustav. That conical breech thing rings like a bell when ever you operate it or just bang in against something. That black rubber thing att the wide end makes is so much less ringy. We used to use old innertubes or just 15-20 turns of electrical tape.
really like that the guns have 1st person reloads especially how good they are
I've been genuinely impressed by the amount of detail in Helldivers 2.
Frankly, it barely needed it considering it's primarily 3rd person, so I would understand not making the most detailed models and animations. However, they're incredibly detailed.
In my opinion, the Slugger version of the pump action shotgun is one of the most well detailed guns I've seen in recent time.
The slugger shows the character reloading both magazine tubes, along with the lever that flips to show which tube it's feeding from. It also has a scope, which shows the scope blacking out due to the angle the weapon is in while using the pump.
Really amazing detail coming from a game that has no real reason to be all that realistic.
Theres gotta be a part 2! There's still all the artillery left to react to!
Fun note on the punisher, there is a switch on top of the gun in 1st person that indicates which tube it's feeding from, and it actually flips when you hit half capacity, which is super cool
God i would love a part two, feel like all the small changes with scopes and stuff would make it great
The part he said about the flamethrower backpack is interesting, because whilst he obviously missed the part where swappable backpacks are an actual feature in the game, that might actually be a nice thing had they designed the flamethrower that way for the game. As it is, the flamethrower currently feels a little wimpy, but I'd love to see it gain a backpack for ammo, and generally buff the gun to match the cost of carrying one. Make it a genuinely significant power weapon, with the associated trade offs of not being able to use any other backpack.
It oughta be super useful against the bugs and pretty much useless against the bots.
7:15 I also think that the basic design is because they need to fit in the drop pods too. You need something simple, rugged, and compact when you're deploying into combat in a Pringles can.
They also canonically have friends/family donate funds for ammunition and kit for Helldivers. So clearly Super Earth is relying on a certain amount of donations. We're definitely not Gucci soldiers, we're being cost somewhat efficient. (as I say as a 500kg bomb drops on a single terminid grunt in game).
In the use of the punisher pump action shotgun, there's actually a switch on the top that, in game, will actually be moved over to unblock the other magazine tube in game, it just happens so fast you normally don't notice it. It also gets switched back after the magazine tube on the left is fully loaded to unlock the other tube on the right