Helldivers 2 Captures the Insanity of the "War on Terror"!
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Can you react to rubixraptor he has 2 videos of helldivers 1 of gameplay and 1 of explaining stuff about the lore and how everything works so 👌
SuperEarth uses oil from bugs to fuel FTL engines and automatons for mining operations. Both broke out and now are against us.
I love how you managed to make a 5 minute video parody of starship troopers in helldivers 2, somehow turn into a nearly 30 minute long video about why america made such a big deal about 911 and how nobody actually cares outside the states, my country included. i know my country and yours are supposed to be allies, but the whole twin towers disaster was literally a carbon copy of the sinking of the uss maine. the government wanted to "manifest more destiny" so they used the maine as a scapegoat for a casus belli with spain. same thing with the twin towers, except the goal was oil.
monologuing: oh hey the maine sank for unknown reasons! we need more land to conquer after the united states of mexico so lets blame the maine on spain! (proceeds to conquer cuba, puerto rico, and the philippines - who at the time were at the cusp of winning their own independence)
meanwhile the newly reconquered and understandably infuriated filipinos who lost their independence right after being moments away from attaining it: "we know your war with spain was a farce, lets show you what war is really like." thus the philippine american war started, and was a stalemate for 3 years until the american people shamed their government for insulting the symbol of liberty they supposedly cherished. this ended the war with no victors and concessions to install a provisional government that would help the philippines become a stable and independent country.
If things went anywhere nearly as well in the middle east, america could have unified all of the rogue nations under a provisional government just like with luzon, visayas, and mindanao. and although america likes to think the philippines won its independence in june 4th, 1946 (few years late thanks to ww2), they considered themselves free since june 12th, 1898.
edit: at least i can be grateful that america didn't label the philippine revolutionary party (Kataastaasan Kagalang-galang na Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan/Supreme & Honorable Association of the Children of the Nation - or simply "The Katipunan") that spent decades of growing rebellion and eventual war against spanish & american rule, as terrorists (partially because back then the word didnt exist yet). since nowadays it seems that anyone who goes against the countries government or occupation is instantly labeled as one. the filipino people have an incredible amount of respect for the KKK (no not the crazy one) that surpasses even the heroics of the americans who fought in philippine soil during ww2 (general douglas mcarthur excluded, since he was a coward and a traitor to the filipino people, only people like lieutenant general jonathan wainwright deserve to be called a hero) or the filipinos who fought in the korean war (battle of yultong, battle of eerie hill, etc).
I come from a military family, and I choose not to. Not right for me because many of these reasons, yet utterly respect the need for this who understand this and will be in the mix.
As such though, if we could, me and my fellow little group of other worldly Sky Pirates understand your message and likely most of us could really agree, and likely stand with you on the understanding of duty, yet the right to really choose one's voyage together and where all voices mean just a bit more.
You realize that traffic accidents are just that, right? Accidents. As in, there is no group out there that plans them out.
Can I ask if you think declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor was a justified because only a little over 2400 people died in that soo....
One thing that's even more on the nose in Helldiver lore: the Terminids turn into oil when they decompose. When you conquer the bugs in the first game, the politicians who insisted they were a threat change their tune and say the bugs need to be saved and grown in managed farms.
To be fair they were an actual existential threat but when domesticated they are useful as well.
@@happyjohn354 Yeah if they won the campain they distroyed Super Earth just like the other factions. Once contained and farmed properly they made space travel much cheaper
And the bugs being as bad as they are now is because super earth experimented on them to make them bigger and then they got loose lol
You want "on the nose"?
The Cyborgs (they're now the Automatons) used to have a homeworld called...
Cyberstan
@@aweshetdima2157 is it a techno desert world?
It's not that you are sent with 4 people. 4 are deployed for gameplay reasons, but every time you use a respawn, it's a new helldiver. Helldivers have an astounishing death rates and a whole programm is basically to make you believe that you are capable of doing everything they tell you and on some level, you start to believe it. When you are on board of a Destroyer ship, everyone talk to you as a hero, you'll be in charge of an operation, despite the fact that you will, with 100% certainty, die on a mission you went to accomplish. And all these people honoring you will be sitting in a safety of an orbital vessel, sending bombardment on your possition when called. Your ground weaponry have a limited effectiveness for objectives you are assigned, so for all intent and purposes, you are just an exposable spotter to throw makers, so people on orbital ships can sent democracy right into the heart of the enemies of liberty.
Out of my 20 missions. I only survived all the way 4 times
@@raychii7361 that is fucking high you know
@@tienluuquyet5069 Yeah and they where on easy. All the others I died it was on medium and hard
I like to imagine we're not actually customising *our* helldiver but rather the uniform for our ships helldiver regiment
@@therandomcommenter6629 that is fact, not your imagination, every time you die they use another recruit to fill your slot, voice pack start at random for a reason =)))
After hearing your "picks and shovels" story, I can absolutely imagine a future US military requiring the use of hand thrown flares to direct orbit-to-ground fire from a 380mm high explosive rotary cannon.
That's if anyone even bothers to because there isn't much to make on space weaponry.
@ItsDaKoolaidDude there is also a space weaponry ban
Yeah but why do that when we can do it the easy way with a laser designator.
@@HabbaBabbaPanda thats only for weapons of mass destruction
so say you make a regular cannon such as the 380 mm ones in the game its not breaking that treaty
@@shadowdevil126 Assuming that the cannon is being fired from space, it would be classified as a kinetic weapon and would likely be categorized as a WMD due to how kinetic energy weapons work. Since it's being fired from space (being in orbit), there's no air resistance to slow down the projectile before it gets into Earth's atmosphere, preserving much of its initial kinetic energy upon firing. At high enough speeds, this 380mm inert projectile (assuming it doesn't all burn up during atmospheric re-entry), it would slam into the earth releasing about 4.8 terajoules of energy. For reference, the atomic bomb in Hiroshima released about 63 TJ of energy, but with your cannon example, it is assumed that it would release multiple projectiles at one time due to how exorbitantly difficult it is to target a specific target from space, so it is assumed that you would need to multiply that 4.8 number by a factor of however many projectiles you'd need to do the job, meaning there'd be a lot of collateral damage.
So yes, your cannon example would likely violate the spirit of, and probably the letter of that treaty ban, making it unusable from a legal standpoint.
Remember kids, service guarantees citizenship
i'm doing my part
@@The_krazy_kriegsman where i have been definding mort for 6 hours yesterday and i was finally allotted my federally mandated 5 hours of sleep, and it still hasn't made any progress please HELP ME XD.
I AM DOING MY PART
Does it IRL tho? Asking for a friend
@@copykaktus4193 depends where you are in the world ( not really but in some country they are basically saying you can't live witouth having served )
It should also be pointed out that the helldivers themselves are completely expendable, you can see several replacements for you on your ship just waiting in cryo. You are literally shot out of your ship like ammo when you go on a mission.
You ARE the payload.
@@skyrim654
Me: *Redeploys and crashes through Bile Titan*
Other clues you are completely expendable:
-The basic training/tutorial has blood splattered on the ground of various areas and the General's voice is pre-recorded, hinting that many others have gone through the same training before you
-When the tutorial finishes and you are shot up to the ship, you see multiple rockets in the background, implying that many others just completed the same training
-You are immediately promoted to lead the ship the moment you come out of cryo sleep, even though you just completed basic training
-"What kind of suppression fire is that!?"
-"I *AM* the suppression fire!"
@@Sorcerers_Apprenticeon top of that, if you get shot by sentries during the dive leap tutorial because you stand up too early, you don't respawn. You proceed to play as the next recruit and the bodies of the past ones stay on the floor where you died.
I got the game blindly, never saw a trailer just heard its good and cheap, and i remember finishing the training before first mission where the ''Drill Sergeant'' ( i think, im no military man) was hyping me up for outstanding performance, how i've done better than anyone he's ever seen and i was like '' Hol up, am i being scamed into Space Vietnam?''... Turns out i was, boy am i glad i wasn't living in the US when they were recruiting Vietnam, i would chug down any military propaganda smiled an probably died in the jungle
"The trees are speaking binary." is a very on brand quote to describe part of this game.
Notice all the blood when you had to dive and crawl under the sentry guns? Wonder how many died in training.
I mean. The creek is space vietnam.
@@tearex8688we’ve won the creek.
@@OfficialKirby i know. This was posted a month ago. I fought on all planets after we took it back.
The voice actor for the guy in the intro trailer and mission control is Roger Craig Smith.
He voiced many characters, one of which was Captain America.
Sonic the Hedgehog
And Ezio
And Batman in Arkham Origins
And Chris Redfield
Shoot, I thought it was an older Cliff Bleszinski xD
During the first game, Super Earth invaded the Illuminates (who are currently banished from the galaxy) because politicians said they had WMDs. You guess which war the devs were satirizing about.
they did have WMDs though ...
They indeed had WMDs as the bad ending in the Galactic campaign was Super Earth exploding, however it's the same ending regardless of which side invades Super Earth, but should be noted the war was in three fronts so perhaps they got attacked by all three in the capital and should be noted Super Earth had no planet destroying WMD's, only nukes.
@@notsoanonymousmemes9455ok but also weren’t the illuminates pretty hesitant in using it?
Also all 3 alien factions were friendly. Super earth is the aggressor in all 3 conflicts
@@KT-pv3klunlike some funny country in the Middle East
One of my favourite parts they capture in the game is the parody of military recruitment, namely of vietnam. They show you the statistics of being a helldiver and theyre primarily 18 year olds who have a survival rate of 20 something percent. Super earth uses a mass propaganda strat to make 18 year olds think theyre glorious heros dying to managed democracy and freedom. Meanwhile the reality is that the automatons and bugs are in a defensive campaign and the humans are actually on the losing front just sending waves of kids to die for their imperial empire
Propaganda is not a parody is real
The Vietnam allegory gets stronger when you drop into Malevelon Creek and the grueling slog of nighttime jungle warfare there is to the point where the community considers it Robot Vietnam. Most of the fanmade stuff surrounding the automaton front uses Vietnam-era music for a reason.
True i liked that too
@@emPtysp4ce Rage! Spill Oil! Never forget Malevelon Creek......
Real men fight even if the chance of survival is low. Either you believe in the cause or not. Cowardice is evil
Hmmm, critical analysis of a Super Earth broadcast?
...that's not very democratic of you, Paul 😑
I think this is grounds for re-education. Super Earth can't abide dissidents!
I think the shutdown of an illegal broadcast is on the mission board for today
@@SuperDecimator i agree we need an "investigation" on this "suspicius" feler
Still no sign of MHGR he mustve took off and went to cyberstan he's just spreading communism and republicanism all over youtube so that's the only thing that makes sense to me
The ministry of truth will surely contact him
We helldivers are required by super earth law to report this man to our closest democracy officer. The charge will be thought crimes
Probably treason to even watch this
you’re both cringe as fuck i hope you know
Mission: Terminate Illegal Propaganda Broadcast
Yes, he must pay for this socialist propaganda
Too far dude
“I want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understands it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don’t.”
-Paul Verhoeven, Director of Starship Troopers, 1996
Spoiler alert......it worked
@@jesussaldana4558 not in America lol it got s lot of backlash when it released
@@awesomesauce-kg9xnit definitely worked. Those who understood it were indeed under constant psychological torment by everyone else hating it but not getting it.
The problem was that it was based off the book and decided to do its own thing. The book wasn't about satire of the military but rather ones personal growth in the military. Love his movies but Paul was an asshole doing the Hollywood thing and paying no mind to the source material
@@apocalypticash1242The version of the story I know is that Verhoeven wanted to make his own original movie called "Bug Hunt at Outpost 9" but the studios didn't want to give him funding. So somebody suggested to him "how about you attach it to an existing IP by a well-known sci-fi writer" and he did. So basically it was the studios not wanting to take the risk on a non-IP movie rather than Verhoeven giving the finger to Heinlein.
Super Earth is basically just America in space Amped up for comedic reasons. The actual canonical reason you're even fighting bugs is because they turn into oil when they die
the actual reason was because the bugs INVADED EARTH the fact that their corpses decompose into FTL oil was discovered much later after the invasion was repelled.
Not exactly.
You're fighting the Terminids because they objected to being turned into oil, broke out of their Element 870 (or whatever number it is) farms, and started eating people. Now, admittedly, the eating people part is bad, but that's because NO-ONE in this setting is the good guys.
Best part is super earth tries to breed them to have unlimited oil however since they propagate through spores that can survive in space that super earth inadvertently spreads to other planets.
And then there's the best part of the joke. Go find America on any of the maps in the game.
Wdym@@Swagmaster65
Interestingly enough MarcoMeatball analyzes the music, with a few similar points.
Super nationalistic and heroic, until your pod hits the ground. Then it starts to sink in, that you're alone, maybe surrounded, but definitely somewhere you shouldn't be.
Never thought into that much, will definitely pay more attention to the music next time I play.
That makes so much sense, is that why the combat music isnt as dramatic as it was in the first game?
@@mathelgar The music on the ground only gets dramatic when you are waiting for your extraction.
The reason isn't for what they are thinking though. The reason is because there are a LOT of audio clues with the enemy this time around. ESPECIALLY for the automatons (that a lot of players hate fighting because they can't adapt). You can hear patrols of both bugs and automatons long before you can see them or they can see you. You can even hear rockets being readied by automatons before they fire them at you. Dramatic music would ruins all those ques.
@@Nempo13 very good point
@Nempo13 no, it's still very patriotic with exfil. They're comin' to get you out, soldier, all that jazz.
But between drop and exfil, the music is tense. More dreary. You are in enemy territory and it's just you and maybe 3 other soldiers.
“You’re not fighting for the ideal of Democracy”
Sounds like something Automaton PROPAGANDA!
Remember, democracy is non negotiable
🗣⬆️⬅️⬅️⬇️📱
[Calling Democracy officer]
Friendly reminder that in universe you have to fill out an application form to have a child.
Makes me wonder how saturated the super earth population is for this to be in place when helldivers drop like flies.
In the helldiver's verse humanity has essentially nicked the technology for FTL travel from some water aliens and farmed some FTL oil from space bugs and now they're on a galactic scale and actively expanding and colonising Warhammer 40k style the numbers are probably absolutely insane which makes it a logistically 'reasonable' policy the concerning part is that it is also probably so that the less 'patriotic' part of the population do not breed
Old scifi trope from 80s and 90s and this game is heavily inspired by Starship Troopers (movie)
@@alexmin4752 Which does take from the books where you only gained full citizenship if you served in the military. You couldn't vote unless you served (big emphasis with one character's father who is a merchant). Just plays into that trope that is largely taken from both entries.
It's possible that cloning is used. It would explain how every new Helldiver that drops could have the exact same voice. Or perhaps the answer is just "this game is an amalgamation of military sci-fi tropes presented in a satirical manner and everything else is an afterthought".
Not even to have a child, but "any act that could potentially result in a child"
I was on malevelon creek during the defense. I was minding my business walking to the objective when I saw a flash of red in the jungle. I dove to the ground and began spraying the jungle with my submachine gun. It was a bug. Just a small, harmless red insect.
Oh, they did that shit on purpose.
@@Swagmaster65 it was Joel.
Take into account that the cops are not wearing capes. So they are not helldivers. Their armor and weapons are straight up considered normal police gear.
Capes may be a marketing ploy to get those 18 yr old recruits to think they're superheroes.
@VisceralCarbon Pretty on brand tbh.
I'm very curious what the SEAF looks like and whether the Helldivers are an elite force or expendable cannon fodder.
Everyone is also gifted a gun (can't remember what type) on their 16th birthday.
@@leviedwards7025 It's the Liberator.
If I remember helldivers were temporarily repurposed as law enforcement between games as there wasn't much of a reason to drop them anywhere (no war at the time.)
> Came to watch funny Helldiver video
> Went back with a deeper understanding of politics, the Afghanistan war and war in general
"To do your job and bring your people home" and everyones first thought is to see if there's friendly fire and dive into the funny strategem light
"3.3 Reading the terms of service is grounds for termination." - Terms of service plaques after completing the tutorial.
off course, why are you reading the entire terms of service? do you not trust the leaders of super earth enough to instantly agree without a second glance! . prepare to be send to your local democracy officer for termination.
My fav song to play to in helldivers is hot wind blowing from the mgr ost, and it makes it all the better that you compare the games themes to the war in afhganistan, since the character the song is written around is a veteran of desert storm, so it all sorta fits together thematically.
Best song in that game, fr.
JUST LIKE THE BUFFALO, BLINDLY FOLLOWING THE HERD
WE TRY TO JUSTIFY ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED!
@@Mortal2064I DONT KNOW WHAT IVE BEEN TOLD BUT THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE CANT BE CONTROLLED.
I DONT KNOW WHAT IVE BEEN TOLD BUT THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE CANT BE CONTROLLED
HELL YEAHHHHH
Try listening to Johnathan Young’s “We are the helldivers”
I like how the scene at "see exotic new lifeforms" s a mirror to the family being killed at the beginning of the commercial. You've got the small alien trying to play with the big alien. They're not doing anything threatening. And then some guy comes along, kills the big alien, and gets showered in goo.
Basically, the alien bugs you see here? They're livestock, processed to make starship fuel. They don't invade planets, they're brought to planets to be farmed, and it's implied that they either got loose, or were intentionally freed to create a causus belli to mobilize the Helldivers and reinvigorate public support for the government.
The family getting killed in the beginning is a made-up event for the purpose of recruitment, to justify real violence against creatures who were only there in the first place because of the desire for expansionism, profit, and control.
They do invade other planets, it happens all the time in helldivers 1
except the bugs actually invade other planet , why are you trying to humanize bugs
Except I'm not? I just said that the bugs are livestock--animals--that are doing as animals do. Super Earth, as of Helldivers 2, merely lets them run rampant if they want to manufacture an external threat.
Unless you tell me that you take the propaganda broadcasts, one among which calls the bugs 'fascist', at face value.
I didn't even realise that the "see exotic new lifeforms" was the same as the intro scene but reversed. It's all projection lmao.
werent the bugs simply brought in by super earth to those planets?@@leonrussell9607
Came for helldivers, stayed for the scathing critique of the military industrial complex that needs to be said but too many are afraid to hear. Subscribed.
When i saw a forklift with a info node that simpky said "only opratw qith a ground guid" i knew there had to be a vat hand in this. Its just too deep a cut.
Did you have a stroke mid sentence
are you okay
You good brother
No hate, but you might want to revise your comment a bit.
I have no clue what that was supposed to be😂
The funny part about the terminids is sense they spread by spores their is a legitimate chance of a random bug killing your family.
Oh great the bug version of the orks of 40k 😂
What if they are sold like seamonkeys?
theyre not spread by spores they lay eggs and protect the eggs
@@Kodaiva so the spores are just to feed them?
@@Kodaiva they prob would still be the most common threat normal ppl would face in this setting bc they're farmed for oil that makes FTL much easier.
6:40 Paul is smart, experienced and nuanced. Be like Paul.
Paul went and fought in a useless war. Is he really smart?
@@theemperor1379 I mean if you ignore every bit of nuance to the situation, as well as refuse to listen to what he's said in this exact video, you might come to ask really braindead questions like that.
@guywholikesgoodmusic It's not "braindead" lmao. You know who is in fact braindead? The soldiers that died in those wars. Literally.
This guy in the video? He got duped lol. He got lied to and he bought it. He was fooled. He saw the propaganda and he believed it. And no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that lmao.
@guywholikesgoodmusic It's not "braindead" lmao. You know who is in fact braindead? The soldiers that died in those wars. Literally.
This guy in the video? He got duped lol. He got lied to and he bought it. He was fooled. He saw the propaganda and he believed it. And no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that lmao.
@guywholikesgoodmusic It's not "braindead" lmao. You know who is in fact braindead? The soldiers that died in those wars. Literally.
This guy in the video? He got duped lol. He got lied to and he bought it. He was fooled. He saw the propaganda and he believed it. And no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that lmao.
the cyborgs ( now automatons ) had a home planet called Cyberstan, terminids decompose into what can only be described as oil and illuminates were treated as hostile ( even tho at first they didn't try to kill super earth ) because they allegedly had WMDs , Helldivers is a smart piece of parody art that i and many others cant get enough of.
Additional bit. The automatons are the "children" of the Cyborgs, who are still around but enslaved in mines by humanity. The automatons main goal is to save them but they are deeply lost in avenging them instead, becoming extreme in their attempts by paying evil unto evil.
In the first game there is a faction called the illuminate who are invaded by the super earth forces because they have "weapons of mass destruction"
they are probably gonna be added into the second
From what I understand, they've basically been conquered. There was dialogue about them in the past tense.
Lol
@@grimgrahamch.4157 So were Cyborgs, and Terminids, New Bug Swarm is out, Bots are here to kill humans and probably free cyborgs, it is just a matter of time when Illuminates come back pissed at Super Earth while the fun is going
I mean there's DEFINITELY NOT sightings of Illuminate activity in Helldivers 2!
All those videos of blue stuff flying through the sky? TOTALLY just shooting stars!
Those videos where Helldivers are shot out of nowhere by blue lasers? Totally fake! The Super Earth Ministry of Truth™️ said so!
So basically, the Alien version of Iraq?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw this in the game immediately. I was like "oh, this is like Call of Duty if it had any self awareness and insight. Fantastic."
If I remember correctly the earlier COD games were a lot more self aware than anything after MW2.
Really hated how the mw 2019 campaign was framed. It took the standard CoD military circle jerking to the extreme, it acknowledges war crimes just to say America doesn’t do them, and addresses intelligence agencies using torture for data extraction with one scene where you beat up a demonstrably evil guy instead of ever actually confronting the immense civilian death toll our military has inflicted on the world.
@@bionodroid547 Oh you're just describing how the TLA's simply realized that videogames could serve as a useful organ in their monsters of control they keep building. Your hatred is well placed, you were essentially noticing how they wished for us, the public-writ-large, should interpret their actions and their choices, their will... its beyond evil.
@@maeton-gaming that's not anything new, it's just that mw 2019 is a more recent and clear cut example, and is also generally good which makes it worse
The TSA is one of the best examples of security theater from that era, and I will forever associate absurdities like "Freedom Fries" and fighting the "Axis of Evil" with the early 2000s.
My dad said something to me when I was too young and too excited to get high and have fun to really listen... he said, the airports / TSA seemed dangerous to him, (an iron curtain navy officer who jumped off his ship and swam to the turkish shore to seek asylum) because they seemed like an attempt to militarize aspects of civilian life, to normalize the reduction of civilian rights but without civilians complaining... first, you'd have to create zones, and the airport / travel seemed like the perfect place to create such a first zone.... He passed away, in 2020, but ever since then I can't stop thinking about what he once told me, and my mind is continually on the look for how our autocratic rulers are looking to expand such "zones", with their ultimate wish now being to one day, hopefully, have most of the world just be, a series of various zones of control just like the TSA, obviously of varrying degrees.... but such are their wicked nightmares ;)
I for one, refuse.
The Department of Homeland Security was also established after 9/11 and I believe the TSA falls underneath this umbrella.
@@shyryTsr2k For sure!
I heard that Arrowhead team have indide joke about shovels. They should put a mission in the game, like delivery of shovels or something like that.
Maybe you have to recover a vital shipment from a planet, so you have to go to a dockyard or warehouse, load up the containers, move the to the shuttle loading area, and extract them
And then when the voice over comes on as you're extracting it says something like "great work, these shovels will change the face of this war!"
Sending whole shipments of the wrong product to the wrong unit actually happens often enough that it wouldn't even be satire to toss a completely nonsensical shovel-delivery mission in there. The game just can't let it slip until the mission ends, and don't tell the newbies.
Just add a shovel that can one shot enemies into the game.
The "prove you have the strength and courage to be free" line isn't _quite_ word salad. It's a gaslighting tactic accompanying the militarist (arguably fascist) idea that freedom is _not_ a human right. It outright accepts "freedom is not a human right" as a true premise, and uses this to springboard into "truly free people are the ones who serve," a statement that contradicts itself. It justifies this contradiction by dressing service up as something that makes you strong and honorable; makes you an upstanding citizen that embodies nobility and goodness. Who wouldn't want to be noble and good? If you don't want to serve, doesn't that mean you don't want to be noble and good? Doesn't that mean you don't want to help your fellow man? Doesn't that mean you're a selfish and evil human? Selfish and evil people shouldn't be free, or they'll ruin society.
...And thus you've demonized anyone who isn't willingly submitting to the regime. This is how you make a society embrace oppression.
Well said.
Freedom is useless without responsibility, but that responsibility is to yourself and your community. Not a useless tax sucking overarching governmental body.
@@spacehitler4537 okay, spacehitler4537
Part of that responsibility to your fellow man is creating and maintaining a government that works in our collective interests as a society. Anarchocapitalist mayhem is not the way.@@spacehitler4537
@@LEOTomeganepfft haha 😂
I think there is another comparison to be made. After all, there is nothing like bringing managed democracy and freedom to the bots of malevelon creek for the 100th time only to see the area turn back to socialist ways yet again. It is almost like the whole war is fundamentally flawed and even if there is a legitimate objective to be pursued here, military action is not the right tool for the job.
HEll, isn't the socialist faction even trying to liberate the cyborgs who got conquered in Helldivers 1?
@@RedShocktrooperRST Yes, in fact the Automatons are currently launching offensives toward Cyberstan.
Idk why everone isn't just clearing the Xzar sector first. Going for malevelon creek right now is strategically idiotic.
@@spooky5338 Someone's gotta hold down the fort while the Helldivers in Xzar do the work.
@@spooky5338Because we will not let them have it!!
25:47 What's funny about the picks and shovels story is that those are excellent tools to build tunnels and trenches.
The devs drew from sci-fi movies from the 80s and 90s, Starship Troopers (which was satire on fascism / Germany in WW2) being a major influence for the bugs in HD2. In HD2 they reference managed democracy, in which AI makes political elections based on surveys citizens fill out (effectively algorithm based elections).
The Starship Troopers movie was bad satire, all style and no substance. Helldivers is real satire, what with having actually-sinister undertones in general rather than presenting things as harsh but not terribly unfair in the grand scheme of things. It was whitewashed too much, so the movie failed pretty hard at getting the message across, especially for anyone who had read the book first. Then it was just hilarious for entirely different reasons. That book is deemed valuable enough that it is still on the reading lists in the US military, by the way.
Helldivers is just blatant "America WTF?" satire, which, no matter what you believe in, is at least halfway warranted.
as dystopian as "managed democracy" sounds its actually much more effective than the cult of personality and charismatic politicians lying and bribing their way to power as our current "democracy" is. most people vote against their own interest in our current system so the ai doesnt even have to be that good to make more educated decisions in voting for somebodys interest.
starship troopers failed as a "satire" of fascism because the director thought the original author of starship troopers supported it and didn't bother reading the whole entire book
@@r32guy85 That and the author also wrote other books that were less known, but explored shifting political beliefs. Starship Troopers the book on it's own gives a different impression compared to if anyone were to take a step back. Thus the bigger issue as most demonize them, despite and truthfully, the author did learn and change over the years.
My problem with Starship Trooper is that Heinlein suggest that women would be better pilot but women today can barely drive a car. It totally took me out of the story.@@shinigamiryan5837
Once when i was playing a lvl 7 mission, i told to myslef after i complete the main objective: "The worst part of this is that i can die right now and still win" Burocrat moment fr.
Helldivers 2 is Swedish game, it's how Europeans see America in daily basis
Not really, mostly the more corrupted and recent ones.
And much like film Starship Troopers, the parody goes over many people's heads.
@@XShrike0most stupid people with bad opinions can't tell when media is making fun of them. Because they are so low brow they will just see guys with guns and think it's cool and ignore the countless layers of mockery
@@XShrike0I also think a lot of people are enjoying it ironically
Technically IT IS how America is
I realized this a few days ago and had to stop playing. It triggered how i felt being sent to Iraq to terrorize Iraqi civilians all behind lies. They made us see them as "bugs". Its like the one episode of Black Mirror
Fun fact: Initially, the bugs were peaceful on first contact. They only became so aggressive once it was clear that we weren’t going to *not* attack them.
It seems the game did its job. I personally can’t imagine that struggle. I hope you are feeling better and thankyou for your service.
Because wars on traffic accidents don't sell billions of dollars of military equipment.
Fun fact:
The US spends more on welfare benefits then policing.
It would sell billions of dollars of sensors though. There would have been plenty of money to be made in a "war on traffic accidents". Waymo alone spent billions just developing the technology.
@@zirconiumdiamond1416 BUT... If this war would be too succesful.. How would the healthcare sector survive ? Would the loss of the profits of both the car manufacturers and the hospitals not be way higher than the few billions the sensors would make in return ?
@@schattensonner I don't think emergency rooms are even that much of money makers for hospitals. Only a tiny minority of new cars are sold because the previous car had been totaled in an accident.
What I love about this clip that plays every time you start the game is that when you have the 3D sound on and he has the helmet on, his voice is suddenly everywhere. I just love the feeling of it.
In case the disposability of the helldivers isnt obvious yet, just look at the hellpods. Shaped like a bullet, deployed through a mechanism that looks like a gun being fired, and stored in what looks like ammo belts. Also you can randomise the voice of your character because you are actually playing another guy every time you die
Also yeah they are not actually elite nor peacekeeper they are just another volunteers
We are comically-disposable artillery spotters.
Seeing police in military kit is not reassuring, ever.
"If you see a police office in full body armour with an AR, you might feel somewhat safer"... Dude that is the last thing that would make me feel safe. That shit is terrifying. After March 15th in NZ some cops had ARs and it was the worst vibe ever. We had to shut down one of our festivals because if we wanted police on site, they'd have to have assault rifles. So people naturally were like... "Why the fuck would I take my kids out to a festival when cops are walking around it with assault weapons?" It completely kills the vibe. Nobody feels safe if your cops need to be that heavily armed.
The war on terror was never about spreading democracy, it was about extracting and controlling resources. The US has a longer history of upending democracies and replacing them with pro-US military dictatorships.
One of the funnier parts of Helldivers 2 is that at the start of the game they make you feel like some sort of really important person, then you drop in and there's 5 and more people behind you ready to take your place if you die.
Didnt know we get a math lesson were we multiply by 9/11s
ua-cam.com/video/zZcZ6eJoxeE/v-deo.html Its literally this
Obligatory reference to "Americans will use anything to measure except the metric system" meme
@@cg2642 washing machines/browning high power
@@highrulerdiamond6717 Short buses/.243 caliber bullets
In regards to police militarization. The connection between politicians and military contractors also had a nice little shared interest in expanding the arsenal of the police force to offload surplus production on.
My dad got one of the first flights to DC after 9/11. When he got to the Washington monument, he was amazed to see SAM sites on all 4 sides of it on display. It was only then he realized it was not a display, they were really there to shoot down airliners full of civilians before they could take out the monument or the Capital. Completely different world.
Symbolism is important to claim authority! Definitely worth the lives of a few hundred/thousand peasants! Bah!
Rwanda was a case of politic indifference. The UN pulled all its firepower out of the country before the genocide occurred, and just left a few hundred soldiers there. Roméo Dallaire had a mere 270 UN soldiers under his command when the genocide started, and every request for more was rejected. The French and Belgium's were the largest and most well armed forces in Rwanda, and both were pulled out by there countries. The UN did nothing because the only thing stopping them from being overrun was the UN symbol. It could have been prevented, but no one was interested in preventing it.
I've lived in New Zealand for all my 20 years of life, and the USA's military culture has always been a strange beast to me. This is an insightful watch, thanks for making this.
Yeah the military culture here is massive and even us civilians are told that we fight for noble causes, but we have absolutely no say in what wars we fight or what our military even does. I studied a bit about US history and learned that the electoral college system was established because the government believed US citizens were too dumb to make their own decisions on who should be president. That's why we get presidents that lose the popular vote but win in the electoral college. I'm all for the electoral system don't get me wrong, but the average American actually has no voice in the decisions the country as a whole makes, maybe on the local/State level we actually have a voice, but nationally? Nah.
Sorry for the rant/tangent there, it's just the more I look into things without being blindfolded by a sense of uneducated patriotism, the more I and WE can see that more needs to be done to correct our mistakes and our flaws.
wonder were all that military training police "received" went. They might have the gear, but the "skill issue" persists.
OEF vet here. This is spot on and i love it. Let's me lean into the blind, manufactured fanaticism that i was supposed to have in real life, but in a really fun game. Oddly therapeutic.
No the government was satisfied with the event they cause and were able to get people to jump into war for politicians profits. It's never about terrorism or protecting citizens, only about expanding government overreach and fueling the military industrial complex
Certain types: "DON'T MAKE GAMES POLITICAL, MAKE MORE LIKE THIS GAME!"
The game:
ain't that just the way
It always entertains me when gamer-rage nerds get angry about making media political. I wonder, did they ever even watch the originals they hold in such high regard?
"So this is how liberty dies - with thunderous applause" - Star Wars
@@PrimroseParadox 2 things:
1. When people say don’t make things political, they mean stop hamfisting blatant propaganda in media because it breaks immersion and hurts escapism. Helldivers is intelligently written historical parody, so immersive that even the players are roleplaying as because it provides escapism.
2. Even the developers don’t want real-world current day politics in the game, with people reporting being banned for mentioning left or right wing politics in the discord. Which to be honest, good. People play games to have fun, not be preached to. Intelligent writing can make a political UNDERtone more tolerable or even fun, but the key is that it’s not overt to the point that it takes away from the primary objective which is having fun.
@@Middy666 boy you better stop, having logic on the internet is not allowed
@@Middy666ok
It feels so weird to ear about 9/11 as some old historical event that needs retelling to younger generations who were not there. 🤔
Bro, let this freak you out: for the last 3-4 years recruits in the US Military were born AFTER 9/11. Its been over 22 years.
Same to me with German unification and 9/11. Just imagine what it will be like when you are 80 and talking with people in their twenties
@@Cornu341It's a bit like when I see some streamers or blogger review some of the games I worked on, calling them "vintage classics", or some of my younger colleagues who have never heard of some games or brands of computers/consoles because that was "before their times, but they parents may know about them" 😰
This is indeed the army recruitment parody everywhere, what makes it hilarious. But it also shows the sad truth behind that hype. When you start the game and do tutorial and look at the stats info on game screen, it tells "average age of a Helldiver - 18 years. Expected rate of survival: 21%". And the training? Few ducks and jumps, few shots and tosses and char gets hyped up even more with "you're the best of the best of the best there ever was, go now and join the war!" And the hyped up teen masses, loaded with hormone haze, straight out of high school jump in, get into war and then are dead.
Ah well, as the elders said, "Get good!" and "Learn to dive!", so get to it solder! Stomp the bugs and shoot the bots.
And not going into war against traffic accidents and such? Because there's no money in it. War somewhere else means big income to companies producing everything for that war. They get rich from it. Improving safety means expenses and no profit, because people get safe hardware, safe environment so there's no need to buy new things for them, no need to pay more taxes on "Improvements". So they don't do it. Safe, unafraid, happy people are not beneficial to businesses, as stark as this realization is. Companies like to keep people on their toes, so that they can peddle to them the "next great thing that may make things better for them".
"War is a Racket," - 2 time medal of honor recipient Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC
The Helldivers 2 intro is absolute kino far as propaganda goes. It's a beautiful satire of hypernationalist jingoism.
I have a headcannon that a lot of the stuff players say in game about "freedom" "democracy" and "liberty" is them just saying memes. Basically a different dialect of english that sounds hilarious to us.
Thats my in universe thought on what they mean when they say that stuff, but its quite obvious the devs mean it as parody for us.
When your character blows its legs off they shout "sweet liberty SAVE ME" I think they really believe in it lol
I'm reading the Afghanistan Papers right now, and I knew it was bad from the Army oral-history of the Afghan War. But to hear it from someone who was there on the ground enacting the stupid decision-making of the higherups who had no idea what the hell they were doing? Really sinks in that it was a shitshow on so many levels.
For every piece of equipment left behind, their friends in the military industries got paid to make a new one, plus extra because suddenly the "enemy" armament had increased (in quotations because they weren't enemies until they made them enemies). Follow the money! And who suffers the inflation? You and me! But it's what they want, we will own nothing, because THEY will own everything!
Edit: Interestingly, the solution is to take back the fed and print money for normal society/citizens again, instead of for already billionaire pockets. But of course they don't want this, because whose money gets diluted if they print for us? Well, theirs 🤷♂
Considering the times we live in, I feel like reactions by MHGR to Command and Conquer is long overdue.
1:44 the north hollywood shootout of 1997 really helped in that matter. some departments had things like AR-15s but it wasnt very common. their guns at the time didnt do much against those two robbers.
I was born 9-13-01. My dad was in ramadi in 06. I am the War on terror kid you mentioned. Growing up was crazy patriotic with all the military buddies.
If I recall. There was the North Hollywood robbery in 1997. The fiercest firefight that police have ever faced in California. Two masked robbers wearing body armor and AKs with drum mags overwhelmed police officers who only had pistols and shotguns. Atleast one of then was wounded by SWAT who had M16 to rival his body armor.
I believe that was one of the incidents that encouraged for patrol officers to have atleast one assault rifle in their car.
Goofy experiment lmao, thank you for being an active channel Paul, I appreciate all your discussions!
Heresy, this will be reported to my nearest democracy officer
I lived in nyc when the AR were being carried around in the streets.... that shit did not make you feel safe, it scared the crap out of you.
What's crazy is how this highly violent game actually brings people together. As soon as shots are fired everyone forgets their differences and come together for DEMOCRACY !!! LOL
Helldiver's 2 is so much fun. It's basically to neo liberalism what 40k is to fascism.
The Helldiver Corps are in fact the 'elite paratrooper' analogue, you can actually find the rank and file Super Earth GIs in most of your Areas of Operations.
Usually as charred scattered pieces still clutching pump shotguns and other hastily cranked out implements. But they're there. Sometimes they even bring in live ones. They don't last long.
I am given to understand that "elite" status just means you get first dibs on equipment and fire support in most militaries.
I saw someone else who watched that intro and their immediate reaction was “oh shit, I’m getting enlisted again!”
3:00 that is the weirdest take on this subject I have ever heard. No, heavily armed policemen in schools do not make me feel safer. It reminds me that schools are dangerous places where children get murdered to the point where heavily armed guards are necessary in order to prevent this from happening.
Heavily armed military personel patrolling the streets or guarding shopping malls and schools is not a comforting sign. It is a reminder that you are living in an unsafe society that cannot keep violent criminals under control. It is a reminder that in your state, the police do not have a monopoly on violence. It is a reminder that at any point that school or mall could come under atack by armed men willing to visit violence on me. Because why else would these men be there?
It is a very, very bad thing.
And this is why I sometimes just genuinely don't feel good being American, who hasn't even been outside the country, or been on a plane before. All the crap, mockery, propaganda. We've practically ruined every ounce of reputation for ourselves. Obviously this is just what I've seen, if there's more stuff, I'd love to know.
Don't take the blame for the establishment which has been pestering the traditions of corruption for decades now
The government does not define the nation or its ideals, keep being proud of being American - your people earned that despite the leeches in suits trying their damnest to get you shunned by everyone
Honestly, something happened that represents well the view that many have of you, I am Brazilian, and on September 7th, Independence Day, in the year 2022 I believe, it was very strong, the government at the time was relatively well (much better than the current one) and there were several patriotic parades and things like that, but I remember that just because of that you Americans sent a naval fleet to our coast.
like, it's like whenever someone tries to have pride, independence or anything that you think can take away or threaten your power in the long run you come and say: "me, just remember that I'm in charge of YOUR house" and You also have fava that only you matter and have a lot of ignorance about the rest of the world.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying I think that about you, but honestly that's the image that comes across to most people.
When you allow apathy and inaction is when your government gets to define you. Remember that you still have democracy and you can define your government if you take the time to read up on your candidates, vote for the lesser evil and do your best to involve and educate others.
@@Sorcerers_Apprentice that's the thing - the candidates provided by unelected career politicians and lobbyists for a "democratic choice" are almost always evil - your choice is only for the lesser among them
@@Invizive That's been the how it is since elections first started. Society still made progress because they didn't let perfect be the enemy of better.
nice argument, unfortunately ⬆➡⬇⬇⬇
Cool, but ^ > v >
Nice 500kg my guy
"This video right here, Democracy Commissar!"
The soaring heroic music as your desperately trying to escape
From the beginning, we were told that the reasons the terrorists attacked on 9/11 was because "they hate our freedoms" (see President Bush address to Congress in Sep 2001). And one of the first things we did after successfully invading Iraq was to provide them with a complete set of traffic laws ("The Green Zone") Sometimes the parody just writes itself.
One thing that is not a parody is that, as you note, once you sign up for the military you have effectively signed away your freedoms for life. Even after you have served your tour and left the military, they can call you back at any time and order you into harm's way. In the context of our Nation's history, that is a fairly recent "innovation". So thank you for serving and making that commitment to serve.
thank you for bringing this channel back
Subscribed. Not only are you covering Helldivers 2, but I'm also one who plays the part of an alternate history 1930s pirate in fantasy designs airplanes we're working on bringing back.
We're also helping advertising The Brew Barons airplane game as such for two great developers. So your message of "see you in the clouds " hits me and others of the Aeropunk Sky Pirates Coalition just right. ❤🛩🏴☠️
Brother, THIS is your biggest service. THANK YOU SO FREEEAKKING MUCH. You don't know the hope it gives me to see Americans, especially former service members, waking up to reality. A true grassroots movement! Thank you for your service to HUMANITY.
I really like how down to earth you are. You're not extreme on one side, you're not extreme on the other; You see the ups and downs to both sides and make your conclusions from all the information you have
I call this teh self-directed individual. This is the most dangerous type of person, to the new world order. No, not alex jones gay frog water pipe dream.... No, just what the elites have NEXT planned for us, once the liberal rules based order we have right now fails... The self-direct individual is the least able to be manipulated by propaganda and the first to dissect and take apart propaganda, mainly because of what you described "the ability to draw ones own conclusions from all information available". For the reason, all members of this class of individuals, should the liberal rules based order collapse, will be considered Public Enemy Number One.
The hell diver squads remind me of the MACVSOG units in the Vietnam war. PRARIE FIRE!!
The war on Terror was powered by pure racism, hence so many people talking about "punishing the region" rather than just the parties involved, which were too small and insignificant to possibly satisfy the need to hurt people of the race associated with the event.
Yeah I agree. I've been brought up by very religious parents. When I was younger my older cousin told me that All Muslims follow a false God supposedly by a demon who followed Satan and that only Hell awaited them. My parents are also like that. Well they don't like me either now for my own beliefs 😂😂😂😂
USA in Afganistan in 90-s - 00-s: give them showels and picks! - but they have their own! - STOP ASKING, JUST GIVE IT TO THEM! And take a picture, we must show it to our people! - WHY!?
USSR in Afganistan in 70-s: C'mon, comrades, let's build this agroprom center. - Da.
the missions where you have to fly super earth flags by calling the flag pole base down from orbit and stand around the flagpole as it slowly raises, playing suitably patriotic music
It’s a shame that mission only exists in the lowest difficulty settings, it’s funny as shit. Imagine bile titans bearing down on you while waiting for this comically-slow flag to finish climbing the pole.
It's kinda painful to see how some basement dwellers don't see the satire or commentary of this game and starship troopers
Starship troopers fails as a satire because verhoven didn't read the fucking book!
How can you satirise something you know nothing about!
He even made the bugs dumber, more animalistic and evil than the books, and nothing he showed in the movie was fascistic except for fashion...
oh enlightened anime avatar! please educate my basement dwelling dumdum brain.
@@KT-pv3kl drink more water, straighten your back and eat more vegetables
@@ragnarian are you stupid? the bugs are clearly shown as being living creatures with emotions in the film, that's an entire plot point; they even interact with each other on the way to battle, bickering and communicating, just like the humans do
And the Starship Troopers book that inspired both.
FOR DEMOCRACY
I'm actually really glad you pointed out the contrast between all the fanfare, pomp and circumstance with the quiet grind. It's so bizarre, but that's actually the part of the game that was most "real". All that chaos, all the explosions and screaming leading up to ten seconds of "Whoohoo! You did it!" Followed *immediately* by "... So uh... now what...?"
I love that the bro thing even translates into Helldivers 2. Not just the chest bumping but if you're on the extraction pad and there looks like there's even a chance someone can make it, the other squadmates will hold that pad as best they can while that guy makes the run.
This game reminds me about Starship Troopers from 1997.
Jarvis, show this one a Malevelon Creek footage
I would love if Helldivers had peace keeping missions that would be handing out picks and freedom shovels
Thinking theirs a good guy in war is like saying you know everything. The nuance of helldivers went over his head
As a hippie anti-military edgelord myself, this was a very informative watch, definitely a deeper insight on more modern propaganda than I'm used to seeing.
You should totally do a vid on the film starship troopers. This game took a lot of inspiration from it and it has a lot of the same themes and satire and even expands on many aspects of it.
Difference is, Helldivers 2 us a good satire
Starship troopers is a good action film, but a bad satire, because the federation isn't actually fascistic or militaristic, it does so because if the war with the bugs and it's a film that focuses on the war
So we don't see the civilian side of things as much
However, in the book (which verhoven didn't even read) it's explained better, there are many civilian jobs that can grant citizenship, and other than voting, there are no differences in rights between civilians and citizens
I've heard some even saying that Buenos ares was a false flag attack, but verhoven even said it was the bugs that sent the asteroid
There is a level of transparency in the federation that just isn't there in a fascistic state, and the military is entirely volunteer based, no conscription
@@ragnarian Starship Troopers is a good satire. It had all the conservatives and fascist quoting it in a serious manner, and never once realized that it was making fun of them lol. When satire does that, it becomes legendary. That's like the whole reason people believing the bugs are launching asteroids at them is funny. The bugs have no means to launch asteroids, but let's say they did. Earth is mostly water so they would have to make very precise calculations so that it hits where humans live, it has to travel the vast distance to get there without colliding with something else or getting knocked off-course, and has to get past earth's big, fuck off anti-asteroid guns (which mysteriously malfunctioned right at that moment). Also, the book was ass, sorry. If you like it, cool, but it was written by a schizo neocon who was more concerned with getting his message across than telling a good story. There's pages and pages that are just emails between Rico and his teacher about the evils of Marxism and socialism so I don't blame Verhoeven for only making it through 2 chapters and saying "I'm going to make this enjoyable" lol
@@TheIcarusFalls since the directors intent is apparently important to you
Verhoven himself said the bugs sent the asteroid....
It's a science fiction film, it can bend physics, every sci-fi does
@@ragnarian Yes, I know, I'm having some fun. He explicitly stated the bugs sent the asteroid after having their land invaded and being attacked
@@TheIcarusFalls the bugs didn't have their land invaded they had it settled by a bunch of mormons
It's nice to see a reaction from someone that knows both what they're talking about, and knows the game. Good stuff.
the fact you can turn a 1 min trailer into 30 mins is nuts
This video should be shown in college level political science courses.
they do say "managed democracy" which is another word for guided democracy. That's the democracy in Russia or North Korea or Belarus xD
far from it. in HD2 people dont cast a vote for a single party or politician. instead they fill out a survey with easy to understand questions that dont require political knowledge and then an advanced AI algorythm casts the vote for the party that is most likely to reflect a persons answers in the test. given how our current political system is mired in cults of personality, demagogues , liars and populists as well as politically uneducated people voting against their own interest its a much more effective system.
even today the most basic AI tools are far more knowledgeable and make far more informed decisions than about 90% of the population and while bias and manipulation of training data is a genuine issue its not as big an issue as 90% of voters making uninformed decisions.
btw voting is mandatory and failing to cast your vote is a crime as bad as treason in HD2.
Tbh superearth is peak human society. At a certain point the humans become the weak link in society, we like to fight. We are never satisfied. We are curious. We can be cruel for our benefit.
It starts to get really funny when you find out that the bugs used to be peaceful with humanity and we started a war againts them just because they looked ugly and (as we found out after the start of the war) could produce a special kind of *oil* that the Super Earth goverment could use to fuel thier ships