Challengers is insane.
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Nadia and Jake review Challengers (2024).
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Just casually dropping this was written by potion seller like this shouldn't have been information in every trailer and poster for this movie
not only that, but potion seller is married to celine song! (director/writer of past lives)
@@roramdin they grow so fast
I need your strongest potions...
jake ur on the money this is a generational masterpiece imo
knew you had great taste
Ro please get out of my walls I saw you in one Hivemind video as the joint custody girl, clicking on your profile and seeing your Mullaney video and now you're everywhere I go in every comment section. Do we just like the same things and share same politics? Or are you actually in my walls?
SPOILERS BELOW:
Art winning in the end is very much not clear, that’s assumption in your end in in real tennis the move he made is 100% illegal. The point of that scene is not about who won or lost at all tho, it’s about the competition and bond between the two of them reigniting.
What was the meaning behind tashis reaction? Im still trying to understand it.
@@husker4life109imo it's her realising that they realise that they don't need her anymore only each other. Or it could be that Art's shot was 'illegal' and it was ruined for her because he almost had it.
Also tennis fans have told me that’s not how a tiebreak works. It would be first to 7. So even if he wins that point he still needs 6 more. So yea def left very open
@@rohanbeer1654 It's the exact opposite. She has a moment of elation at having finally seen a true relationship/tennis moment, even if that wasn't necessarily her intention. It's the same exclamation she makes when we see her playing earlier in the movie and she wins. COME ON!
can u guys start wearing the same outfit in all your videos
really want to see how well jake pulls off some of nadia's cuter tops
The shot from the POV of the tennis ball is one of the best shots ive ever seen in a movie
Felt very Fincher like (in a good way, not a derivative way)
Yeah it was cheesy and they rand out of ideas How to shoot tennis by that point but it worked
I saw this last night and was blown away. Excellent film. Who knew toxic love triangles and tennis could be so damn compelling?! The audio design and soundtrack in IMAX were awesome as hell. The end scene was so satisfying. All the buildup to that moment through foreshadowing and such from little moments from earlier in the film. When Patrick did the thing with the serve I was like Oh YES it's fucking GOING DOOOOOWN 😂
The Zendaya character at the end screams like how she would scream when she won a match. So the character definitely feels like she won at the end of the movie
all she wanted was to watch some good fucking tennis… and she got it 🥹
I got a strong sense that something Patrick really lost was the feeling of playing a game with his best friend, and I think you see him smiling at the end because he finally got to play against Art where the only thing on Art's mind was beating Patrick. Like they could briefly go back to a moment where they were just competing against each other and had that "relationship" Tashi talks about in that first match of hers we see. They truly see each other, and I think the reason they embrace at the end is because at least some part of them recognizes that they had lost the closest person to them in the world and maybe they have a new basis to rebuild their relationship. I think Art and Patrick also realized in that moment that Tashi only ever drove a wedge between them, and that when you remove her from their connection to Tennis Art actually DOES have a competitive drive (he cares about winning after their duo match, Patrick was just glad he got to play with his friend) and Patrick is driven by a desire to connect with others through tennis. Theres small moments in scenes where you can see that the other tennis players seem to really like Patrick at their college, which is odd because he seems so unbearable in any other setting. That last engagement is also the only time they arent constantly looking over at Tashi, and its the moment that they are both at the top of their game. Idk, I'm curious to hear anyone's thoughts on this.
they also came on each other and tashi applauded them for it
i’ll come back for the spoiler section later, i actually wanna see this! i was on the fence but the positive reviews from both of you has got me convinced
This whole movie was a big tennis match. Tashi was the tennis ball going back and forth between Art and Patrick.
I think that after the finale, the characters will become a throuple
I loveeeeed this movie, you guys should check out his SUSPIRIA remake. Easily one of the greatest visual filmmakers alive currently
Not even kidding, hearing that the potion seller was involved made me see this movie TONIGHT. Absolutely loved it.
This movie was such a huge surprise! The last 20 minutes was a shot of adrenaline. I was ready to run a marathon leaving the theater! Definitely top 2 of the year behind only Dune. Glad you guys enjoyed it
best film ive seen in years. seriously. Absolute masterwork of modern cinema. This feels like a stepping stone moving forward for Luca, maybe for film as a whole
"Oh I kinda skipped this one Imma dip my toes into pre-spoiler territory and see if it's worth it"
"-Umm... Masterpiece?"
"damn alright lets see"
2 hours later, as a completely different emotional being:
"Yo what the fuck that was incredible"
0:22 goated take
I loved this film and am amazed by how it’s not more hyped up in the media
I am with Jake. I saw it last night and I am still on the edge of my seat. Might be because I listened to the soundtrack all day. Masterpiece. I definitely need to see it again. Did not expect to love this so much.
Literally the sole reason for me to watch this movie was Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. Not only do I love their scores but Trent's music as NIN changed my life but what excited me more was seeing appearences from his wife Mariqueen and they haven't been on a project together since the short lived How To Destroy Angels project. The soundtrack showed that Trent and Atticus aren't just ambient guys and can still do exciting music with vocals, it makes me so excited for future NIN albums.
This film is genuinely brilliant
1. Tennis is the new surgery (watch Crimes of the Future).
2. I think they all moved in together and lived/played (mindgames as well) happily ever after.
3. I thought Josh's career would be playing characters like the one he played in Emma. Wow. He can just switch his charm on like Kyrie in the 2nd half.
4. This would make a great double bill with Snack Shack.
5. As someone with arthrosis in both knees.. I felt THAT.
Potion seller, enough of these games. I'm going into a tennis match, and I need your strongest potion.
this is my favorite movie of the year too! incredible filmmaking
Loved this review, it really is helping me articulate why I love this movie, particularly your comparisons to Whiplash and how this film deals with passion. Even though it might be a bit late, I would love for you guys to watch Anatomy of a Fall, I feel y’all would have a lot to talk about.
When Patrick goes through Tinder and quickly swipes past most of the matches but then lingers over a guy was a cool detail that adds to the homoeroticism.
Finally just saw this, all I can think is that I can't wait to see it again
SPOILER and a correction for you guys:
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Art doesn't win the point (and therefore the game). He's not allowed to reach over the net, and he's not allowed to touch the other player. It's the first point in tiebreaker, so it would continue to 7
i also loved this movie!!! i want to make the point that it's so interesting to me that you call the relationship between art and patrick is platonic/brotherly love and see the nature of their relationship as a more ambiguous/subtle aspects. one of the most compelling/heartbreaking parts of the film to me is that patrick was very clearly in love with art since they were young. i think you can see it starting with how he reacts to tashi asking if they had hood up before. and when patrick pulled art's stool closer to him before he sits down was such a beautiful little detail that has been replaying in my brain nonstop. i thought that was a huge key to patrick's character throughout the film, especially when it comes to his motivation around his and tashi's relationship. and near the end when he asks art if he means anything to him outside of tennis. whenver two of them are alone, the presence of the third is always felt (and when theyre all together, tennis is in the room).
Agree! It is a real love triangle because they all have that romantic/sexual feelings for each other
The challenger match which frames the film is an extended metaphor for the relationship between the three characters. The first set is won by Patrick who has the first relationship with Tashi. So the first set symbolises that relationship. The second set is won by Art who three years after Tashi's injury begins a relationship with her which ends in marriage. The third set symbolises the relationship between Art and Patrick, so it is no surprise when it ends with the two men happily embracing in the middle of the tennis court. We never learn who actually wins the match. The frenetic rally with which the film ends is the first point of a seven point tie breaker. When Art makes contact with the net at the end of that rally Patrick wins the point, but there are still six points to be played. We can assume that Art goes on to win the match either because he's good enough or because Patrick will throw the match as per his agreement with Tashi the night before.
The great tragedy at the heart of the film is the breach in the relationship between Art and Patrick which lasts for twelve years. Tashi understands from the moment she first meets the boys that their relationship is more than simple friendship.We get the repetition of lines from Tashi like : "I'm not a home wrecker"; "So I was a home wrecker" etc. Or from the boys: Art "We don't live together." Patrick "It's an open relationship." hinting at a more profound bond. In the bedroom scene Tashi coaxes the boys into kissing each other, thereby confirming her suspicions.
Despite the terrible things Tashi says to Patrick in the film it's like water off a duck's back. She has no power to hurt him. Only Art has the power to hurt Patrick. This happens first in the hospital scene and then again in the sauna scene. Why is this so? Because Patrick loves Art.
So to the last ten minutes of the film. Each man has won a set and Art is leading six games to five in the third set. Patrick is serving in the last game of the set and the score is 30 all. If Patrick is going to throw the match this is the time to do it. Accordingly he serves two balls into the net and the score goes to 30 - 40: match point to Art. Patrick's next serve goes out. If the following serve is also a fault Art wins the match and Patrick has honoured his agreement with Tashi. It's at this point that Patrick has a crisis of conscience. The object of this exercise is to lift Art's confidence for the forthcoming U.S. open. Patrick is asking himself: How is it going to help Art's confidence to meekly surrender the match to him? He finally decides that a more effective way of achieving Tashi's object is to provoke Art into lifting game. He reveals to Art in a manner only understood by them that he had sex with Tashi the night before. This seems to backfire when Art meekly surrenders the game and the score goes six games all, meaning the match has to be decided by a seven point tie breaker. Art serves first in the tie breaker and by this time Patrick's provocation has worked. Art is furious and his first serve is aimed directly at Patrick's head. We see a silent scream of anger on Art's face. Before Art serves his next ball he seems to be trying to understand why Patrick would be so cruel to him: Does he really hate me that much? And then the penny drops. Perhaps he remembers Patrick's willingness to surrender the Junior U.S. open title to him.back in 2006. It dawns on him that Patrick isn't motivated by hate but by love. At this point a smile slowly spreads across Art's face. Patrick returns the smile: Ah. You've got it. By the time Art serves the second ball of the tie breaker he is no longer motivated by anger but by joy., What follows is that last frenetic rally in the film. The camera lingers on Art. It's his reactions that are important here. Art has a look of joy on his face. He has rediscovered the joy of tennis because he has the love of his friend back after twelve long years. When the film is viewed in this way the last embrace in the middle of the tennis court is enormously powerful.
Im with jake this is a 10/10 movie. I couldn't believe how much I loved it
I loved this one, wasn’t expecting it to be this good.
I tend to align with Jake's takes and this morning he said masterpiece and I paused and went to see it tonight. Finally just finished the video and really agree with you both! Though I do feel like there's some weird cinematography, like where they zoom into Tashi's face for waaaay too long. My wife also didn't like the way the music was played, which I can absolutely sympathize with but I did like it. I felt like it emphasized the emotions of the scene even if the scene was otherwise quiet OR it was to prepare you for the next scene.
Watch suspiria
Just saw it last night in IMAX and was blown away. I have to wonder, was anything specific keeping either of you guys from giving it a 10? My list of things I loved about this movie is looooong, and my list of things I didn't nonexistent
Mike is great but it was Zendaya and Josh whose personalities *brought it* to the screen.
And as far as the homewrecker accusations go, Art was the ORIGINAL homewrecker when he caused the argument between Tashi & Patrick to break them up, leading to her injury. ;) The boys were still "friends" until Art decided to play dirty. ;)
I felt for Zendaya. These guys were far from Saints and actually pretty sheitty in a multitude of ways.
Art was a fcking manipulator. Lol
Come On! That feeling of wanting to play tennis after watching is so real!
COME ONNNNNNN
I'm so glad people liked this movie as much as I did lmao
I thought they all won for sure. It was a cathartic climax for all of them. Patrick decided to be the bigger man which he did by not letting Art win as that would be both unsportsmanlike and not good for Art on the long run - but he provoked Art to *actually* winning.
The only love triangle movie ive seen where I actually gave a shit and felt my OWN allegiances changing between who I was rooting for
We don’t know who wins at the end. If what we are shown is just the first point of the tiebreak (which it looks like), the only thing we know is that Art loses it. If what we are shown is the full tiebreak, than Art loses the match because he invades the opponent’s side of the court. But to me it 100% looks like we only see the first point of the tiebreak and the match is left open ended because it’s not important who wins in the end.
You guys misunderstood the scene of Zendayas character. She was already in the city for the Challenger and Patrick told her character that he was going to compete. She didn't know he was gonna be there but once she knew she told him to stay away and that there was no way that he would ever face against Art anyway.
Yeah but I think she said that to motivate Patrick to play hard enough to get to play Art. It was more manipulation by her.
Suspiria (2018) is his best imo, but Challengers is a close second.
Spoilers:
Art didn’t win because Patrick threw the game. It wasn’t a fair game. Patrick won because he had control over the outcome of the game. He manipulated Art through the entire match. But him then dropping the racket to catch Art at the end is where they flip that around, and they both become winners through rediscovering the joy of the game.
I don’t think that’s correct. If anything’s it’s heavily implied that Patrick decides to NOT throw the game, and instead give Art a fair fight. The movie ends before we see who truly wins, but the last round they show it’s obvious that they are both going as hard as they possibly can. Patrick revealing that he cheated with Tashi to Art is what ignites their competition in the game again, and allows them to truly give it their all and have a purpose and passion behind the game. That’s why are all seemingly happy at the end or at least have an emotional release, because they have regained passion and competition in the game, and also because it represents all of their relationships, Patrick isn’t holding back any more, he’s giving it to Art straight, and Art is able to keep up with him, and they are competing on that court as friends, like they used to. Tashi is happy because she sees that both of them have regained their passion and are giving it their all, which is what she always wanted from them and herself above all else.
Yeah I agree with Jake, its really good. But I mean not as good as Berserk... You should really read it and make a video on it, it would for sure make your day better!!
bro what
Woman Carrying Man...ga
@@tinchosabala It's a local meme, ignore it.
I loved the movie but nothing has topped Dune part two for me and i dont think anything will
I actually enjoyed this movie more than I was expecting to, and I liked the open ended conclusion. Like Kirsten Dunst before her, Zendaya is the second MJ to star in a tennis movie.
Emma Stone was also in Battle of the Sexes and she was also spiderman's gf
It didn't totally do it for me like I see on Twitter, but I did like it a lot. Personally I liked Bones and All better from the director
I did not love this movie, but I enjoyed watching it. The ending did not resonate with me because I wanted one of them to end up as the winner instead of hugging, it felt anticlimactic to me. That, along with some camp moments that unfortunately didn’t work for me (spitting and then making out felt like an anime and the POV tennis ball didn’t work for me). I enjoyed it overall though and I’m glad you guys liked it
Loved the camera angle from below on the tennis courts, loved zendaya’s (and everyone else’s) performances, and the homoeroticism present
Art did win the game but it became about more than just who won
Edit: Apparently I'm wrong and it doesn't show the actual ending of the game, just one point where Art probably committed a penalty
"Masterpiece"....
Agreed, loved it, no notes.
Zendaya is pronounced like "player"
Yo, just came here to say:
1. Yeah, the movie was really great.
2. Arcane review coming? :)
The director's Suspiria remake was pretty good. He's married to the director of Past Lives. You can certainly see what they have in common.
The Script Writer(Justin Kuritzkes) is the one married to the director of Past Lives(Celine Song). Definitely love both movies :D
@@nive7299 ah that's right! Thanks
Funny thing. I hate movies about power, sexual dynamics used in context of power (outside of sex), and movies about people wanting to be exceptional.
All of that just screams abuse and sadness for me. And I work hard on my life to rid myself of anyone who likes to live their life this way.
Love the puppy/dogs.