Frame Chasers use fake result during his “7800X3D VS 14900K” test
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- In his video, he attempted to demonstrate that the 7800X3D would experience very low 1% framerate in the situation by quickly rotating the perspective, but I personally tested and found that his data was fake.I think as a youtuber, it is very shameful to mix fake data in testing, as it can have a significant misleading effect.
And in his other video ( • 7800X3D VS 14900K MODE... ) I picked it apart with timestamps pointing out the different settings he uses. He deleted it but this was my comment....
Here is the comment：
Play these parts back at .25 speed and you can see there are some different graphic settings being used. @4:06 you can clearly see on the Intel side lower shadows, textures and possibly lower foliage are being used. Just look at the hill and how it looks better on the AMD side. @4:09 look at the concrete barrier on the AMD side. More texture and better shadows. Even that little chuck of ground behind the concrete barrier has a shadow on the AMD side yet it's missing on Intel. At @4:11 you can clearly see the shadows casting inside the train cart on AMD and missing on Intel. The water is also a dead giveaway of the settings being manipulated. It's all solid on Intel yet on AMD it has reflections from the sky/clouds @4:19 Not to mention on Intel the 4090 has an extra boost bin and will sometimes hit an extra two bins more than what he has set to AMD.
I think he was using a high polling rate mouse like the viper 8k or something. AFAIK Amd doesn't seem to like high polling rate mice...
This seems most likely
nop I use it on 5800x3d and have no problem@@CringeSeekers
He actually did or goes own a viper 8k but I’m not sure if he’s using it as in the test or not.
FrameChasers also has a vested interest to recommend Intel, so he can sell tuning consults. As well as premium DDR5.
I am using a 8000hz polling rate mouse and I have no issues with my 7800x3d. framecahsers is just a pedophile scammer who sells Overclock consults 500$ but the 7800x3d puts his scam business to danger.
He's purposely not tuning his RAM correctly to make AMD look bad.
Possibly, but the 7800X3D is not that sensitive to memory tuning.
@@louisfriend9323 naw it's true. Dudes a massive intel fan boy who's tuning is questionable at best. This video on his channel has a top comment straight up calling out that the dips are caused by improper ram tuning. There's another where he reacts to Jay's ram speed video and just goes to msi afterburner and ramps everything to max then runs the same test. If that's any indication of how he tunes ram, it's not a good look. All this while completely ignoring the fact that the ram speed he is testing is double the price of the other, with only a 25% increase in performance(in his flawed tests). Price to performance isn't mathing on that one.
Watch some of his videos and it becomes very apparent he has it out for AMD and anyone who speaks highly of them.
@@Tingles008he clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing. That chip can easily do 6200 CL26 with tight timings.
Depending on how good your chip, mobo, & ram is then you can get some pretty good tunes.
I can confirm what you said about dips being caused by xmp or an unstable ram tune because once I properly tuned 6200 CL26-36-31-30-66 I no longer had dips
I thought that ram didn’t matter for the 7800x3d?
@@heatnup It works best with 6000 MHz CL30. Anything more or less is not ideal
You either live a hero or die enough to see yourself become villain.
Test it again with an 8000hz mouse
I did with a RX 7700XT and 7800x3d and my 1% lows (when there was no shader caching) were 140-160 fps (average 200 fps). Sometimes it would drop to 90 when I first launched the game, after 2-3 games it was consistently 120-160fps 1% lows and 200-240 average. Mouse: Endgamegear OP18K
Testing anything with an 8000 hz mouse is stupid.
Even the intel will suffer there.
@@skorpers I use 8000hz mice. It has no impact on intel’s CPU performance. The I/O die on Intel CPUs can keep up with 8000hz.
@@heatnup Game engine based, not CPU based. If you're not seeing it, you're not testing in the right games, or not moving your mouse fast enough.
@@skorpers COD hasn’t had an issue with 8000hz mice since they came out pretty much. Surprisingly the dips didn’t happen even though the devs wouldn’t have known to optimize for that.
Has anyone done a wellness check on frame chasers lately? With the massive numbers of 13/14900k cpus failing right now I think he might be having an existential crisis, poor guy
Even if the dip was real (it's not 😂) I'd rather have an AMD chip right now than anything Intel put out in the recent past 😂😂
You obviously don’t play Tarkov lol. The 7800x3D is dropping to 40fps on the Streets map, which is worse lows than the 5600x 😂. I have the 7800x3D it’s tuned properly and still does this. The AMdip is real. Just because you don’t have a fast enough monitor and GPU for it to affect you doesn’t mean anything.
@@LegionGamingTV The only people that play tarkov are cheaters or cheating item farmers from Venezuela, which category are you
@@LegionGamingTV if u got 40fps with your 78X3D in tarkov, u must got problem somewhere, my 78X3D 4090 got 140fps on streets
The fact there's no news about the branch prediction update is also kinda telling that there's a conflict of interest.
Of course he’s skewing his results gotta sell those $1000+ cpu combos somehow 😂
What about the consults he does with AMD products? Do you really think all he does consulting for is Intel 😂?
@@LegionGamingTV intel = more money. X3D only requires the lowest level motherboard and memory. Guess how much more he can earn by selling high-speed memory and overclocking services for intel？Intle spends $4 billion annually on marketing guess who this money will go to?
He doesn’t sell krap. No one who has a brain would buy from him when they could build same system for way cheaper
My 5800x3d and now my 7800x3d both dip in the 1% lows on just this map in Warzone badly. Its dipped as low as 50 and it doesnt really recover. I can reset the benchmark and then it just dips right back over again. I'm not sure what Im doing wrong or if its just the games fault. every other map on WZ and the Multiplayer is perfectly fine. Only way I can keep Urzikstan from dipping is to frame cap with RTSS. I have a 7900xtx GPU running 1440p natively.
This guy is just rage baiting AMD fanboys that don’t even have the 7800x3D or the 13/14900k bro.
This may be caused by various reasons such as failed shader installation or system settings, but as I commented: in some people's logic, whenever they encounter a problem, it is an AMD problem,and If they encounter a problem when using an Intel processor, they won't complain about anything and are frantically searching for solutions online
@@LegionGamingTV Yes.When Intel has problems, it's just a few quality issues or some people may not use them correctly. When AMD has problems, it's 100% AMD's own fault, even though many others are using it well
to be honest, i don't even move my mouse that fast during a real game session, at least not very often
There is no money in it for him if he just tells people to go buy a 7800x3d. That's the problem. There is nothing informative about his youtube channel. Guy is a grifter.
Who optimized your PC?
He dont even install amd chipset drivers
Bu bu but apex! soy cores! apex!!!! cinebench!!!! Mister Mouse!!!!!
Must be on uicide watch with all the broken p-o-ss
Thank you for this video! I was sure something is really wrong with that dude lol
he makes way more money out of selling intel since intel needs expensive cooling and manual oc , and thats what he sells....
@@thepro08You can delid and use expensive ram on AMD just as well. My 7950x3D is delided @ 5.3ghz allcore on the B-Cache CCD and 64gb 6600 ram and 2200fclk. My 7900x is delided as well at 5.5ghz allcore 32gb of 6400 2133fclk and my 8700G is also delided @ 5.45ghz allcore 32gb of 7400 CL30 2467bclk. All with the same type of shit he uses for Intel. My 8700G is faster than a stock 13900k and 7700x.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. He does consults for both AMD and Intel kid
@@LegionGamingTV Of course, you can also buy a $1000 chassis for your AMD, but this is meaningless. We are only discussing AMD's X3D processor, which does not require high-speed memory like Intel. You are just wasting money to get an improvement that may not even be 5%🤣
Thanks for testing, this is very good video to combat against spreading misinformation about, bro can you upload full match it would be very helpfull with stats
I have a 5900x and i get dips like crazy even in valorant. I get sudden dips every other 20 seconds or so on alot of games. I paired it with a 6950xt and i stutter bad. Im returning the chip asap. I had a 5600x before which also lags a bit idk why but further looking into it it seems as if amd just has stuttering issues so much and just because you dont doesnt mean its not real. I have it and its bad to the point of making me get intel. I should not be dipping on games like valorant, minecraft, csgo, phasmophobia juat to name a few. These are games that can run on potatoes i shouod not experience a single dip especially with a ryzen 9 its rediculous. Doesnt matter if i cap the fps to my monitors refresh rate i still dip. Just rediculous
I think you are having seizures while gaming and imagining things.
No such thing as “AMD Dip” on a properly matched and tuned system.
More likely it’s the AMD GPU not being optimized to Valorant or you have the settings on Ultra expecting miracles from a GPU that’s barely better than a 3080.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ @IHMT00 this makes no sense. You realize what you just said right? You're telling me a high end graphics card can't perform at max settings? Do you know what the fucken takes to run valorant? A fucken potatoe. There is such a thing as amdip but amd fanboys dont want to admit it. And this is coming from someone tha has never owned an intel cpu all ive had is amd. I monitor my system with msi afterburner and i physically see my frames drop. All those games i mentioned can be played on a 1650 minimum at high settings and i have a 6950xt which is triple the performance.
@@djnohands3632 Do you not understand that for starters RDNA3 is junk and the 6000 series Radeons performed better?
Second all games are optimized for certain brand GPU’s. All will work but some will work much better.
Far as you owning a “High End Graphics Card” that’s laughable as its Nvidia counterpart is a midrange card.
Sorry you’re having all these issues but AMD cards have been well known for their problems while Nvidia just works out of the box.
That’s just reality bud.
Bro who are you arguing with? First off i never said anything about rdna3 idk why you bought that up. And second the 6950xt used to be a high end gpu obviously now its midrange because next gen is out. And third of all im telling you amd stutters and then you come and tell me amd are known for their problems basically agreeing with what im saying. Im so confused lol
@@djnohands3632 I wasn’t paying attention, don’t mind me.
Tired of the AMD hype myself. Bought a FX-8350 to replace the Phenom II 965 Black because of severe CPU bottleneck playing BF3 with a new GTX 660 I bought.
Now we have the Ryzens that are a pain in the butt to get them to do a simple thing like perform single core tasks without changing 15-20 BIOS settings where Intels just work out of the box.
Went back to my 5800X after growing tired of all the bs with the overhyped 5800X3D which is worse then a stock 5800X.
Either gonna just sell the AMD rig and go with Intel or just pick up a 5900X to get some sort of decent single core performance.
AMD’s stupid boost algorithm made it much harder then it needs to be to do a simple overclock which is necessary to get them to work properly.
That guy does have some issues I agree then am5 right now best platform at the moment i recently upgraded from a Ryzen 5 5600x b550 to a 12600kf b760 for £100 and same ram kit from b550 now getting 4000mhz tuned timings was having issues on my 5600x that’s the only reason I got the 12th gen and once ddr5 goes cheap I
A buy a am5 platform
framechasers is a scammer and should not be taken seriously, when it comes to intel I think he is decent but when it is about AMD he is straight up lying. Just a loser scammer
Nice bro, now try with resizable bar on, you use off, he use on.
Resizebar on has better 1% low than off, but with less fps due to reduce the GPU usage in warzone
@@eagiedynamics1779 Whaaat? Ahahaha, If you DISABLE resizable bar you gain 100 fps on cpu on avg, 0.1% and 0.01%, so if you want to compare something you need to do it with same settings, so again if you think he fake his video do this video again with resizable bar ON.
This test is not valid.
@@OnEShock95 Turn off resizebar only improve FPS, it wont bring any gain to 1% LOW，Beefy Tech already test it, check this
ua-cam.com/video/dOfXXyiA8Fk/v-deo.html
@@OnEShock95 7:02 resizebar on ,1%low is 208
8:35 resizebar off, 1%low is192, the CPU 1% low for in-game benchmark and the actual fps 1% low for warzone are not the same thing，u just confused those two
@@eagiedynamics1779 You must be ret*rded, i don't like to lose time with stupid people so this is my last coment.
14900k STOCK
Benchmark Resizable Bar ON
Avg 361
Low 5 195
Low 1 124
Benchmark Resizable Bar OFF
Avg 457 + 96 FPS
Low 5 343 + 148 FPS
Low 1 297 + 173 FPS
Multiplayer Resizable Bar ON
270 avg
Multiplayer Resizable Bar OFF
400 avg
Warzone Resizable Bar ON
240 avg + the glitch when you look at the center of the map drops to 130
Warzone Resizable Bar OFF
350 Rock solid, no drop.
Next time before going against and accusing a person use the same settings.
My 8700G is delided and @ 5.45ghz allcore, 7400 CL30 with 2467 FCLK. Until AMD updates the IO-die to let us have faster ram and less latency the dip will always be there. Just because you recorded a small video and it didn’t dip doesn’t mean shit.
I can only suggest not purchase any non X3D processors from AMD. At least a normal 78X3D processor will not have dip in codwz. This is the more complete game video you are looking for, and the 1%low is 225, ua-cam.com/video/1URR21qGQok/v-deo.html，If you want to talk about exceptions, an Intel processor with overclocking errors or incorrect CL memory oc may also experience what you call dip, and it doesn’t mean shit either
when your good at the game, it really doesnt matter. as long as it runs. i know console players who would dominate, so its not that serious
You know, gotta chase that fame, thats why he is the famechaser 😂
He is so cringe. He rants on for no reason ? Wtf is that guys problem lol.
i knew something was wrong with him. In overclocking community hes kind of a joke with giant ego. He either makes purposefully ryzen results worse, or absolutely stupid and doesn't know how to oc amd chip, and blames his incompetence on amd
Hes highly respected,the "overclocking community" are a bunch of nerds that don't actually play games.
@@Wobbothe3rd people who play games are bunch of nerds also, as a person with thousands of hours in competitive fps
So, CPUpro face reveal?
@@Wobbothe3rdhighly respected for what? For his arrogance and toxicity? For selling consultations for 500$ and refusing to cover any responsibility for any advices he gives? For selling "tuned" cpu+ram bundles that barely have 1% difference over stock ones for over 1000$ more of their cost?
The Number is not the point. Its the 100+ FPS differance in the 1% lows & the average FPS. now i will admit FC is a good bit biased twards Intel, but You pretty much duplicated his results.... Your average FPS is higher then his but there is still an 100+ FPS diffrance thats the point..
However, in fact in his own video, Intel's 1% low also only 220, and this is the result after he overclocked Intel. And I can tell you directly that for an FPS game, 1% low above 200 is already a very good result,1% low is not the traditional definition of framerate, nor is it the minimum framerate. If you don't understand the meaning of this data, you can Google it. 1%low above 200 is not a bad result, It's not the AMD DIP mentioned in this scammer's video either
And this video showcases the 1% low performance of 78X3D after overclocked, which is higher than Frame Chasers' “Beast intel computer”, Its 225:222,
ua-cam.com/video/1URR21qGQok/v-deo.html
I dont think he faked it, but i do think he doesn't know how to tune the new AMD systems. Beefy Tech, you, and others have shown better 1% lows than he does. I dont think its malice, just incompetence on his part. He definitely knows how to tune an Intel system though.
rip hairchaser
lol i don t see why he would lie its not in his interrest so perhaps there was a driver fix or something. Things change and AMD still has enough problems.
Cuz intel need way more money to buy expensive cooling and manual oc , and thats what he sells.
And in his video I picked it apart with timestamps pointing out the different settings he uses. He deleted it but this was my comment🤣
Here is the comment：
Play these parts back at .25 speed and you can see there are some different graphic settings being used. @4:06 you can clearly see on the Intel side lower shadows, textures and possibly lower foliage are being used. Just look at the hill and how it looks better on the AMD side. @4:09 look at the concrete barrier on the AMD side. More texture and better shadows. Even that little chuck of ground behind the concrete barrier has a shadow on the AMD side yet it's missing on Intel. At @4:11 you can clearly see the shadows casting inside the train cart on AMD and missing on Intel. The water is also a dead giveaway of the settings being manipulated. It's all solid on Intel yet on AMD it has reflections from the sky/clouds @4:19 Not to mention on Intel the 4090 has an extra boost bin and will sometimes hit an extra two bins more than what he has set to AMD.
And in some people's logic, whenever they encounter a problem, it is an AMD problem, even if they are using the lowest end AMD processor. If you encounter a problem when using an Intel processor like the 12400f level, no one will say it is an Intel problem, they will just tell you to purchase a higher-level Intel processor🤣
yes i can see the difference in normal speed and this is not a recording thing ?@@eagiedynamics1779
@@eagiedynamics1779 no one counter probles on intel dude, its just work as planned from box. omg even with xmp. i got 5800 swapped triple times before get normal chip because its randomly crashes apps in huge workload. ofcourse after month theres new "bios" and drivers addressing problem solved, but i already dont give a fkk and swapped it to 12900ks and got flawless work after it
well linus including some other people made mistakes and lied for some cpu or gpu manufactures for the money etc so why wouldnt he...
Running around in circles in the same spot isn't providing anything. AMD FANBOY'S 😂. y'all something else...🤣
Its your deal Frame Chasers uses this stupid place to test and fake the result not me🤣, Intel fanboy uses fake result and claims that the people who pointed out his tricks are all AMD fans🤣Now I know how foolish and blind those who follow Frame Chasers are🤣, In fact I spent way more money on INTEL processors than you idiots who only know watch YT videos without thinking
Why is then Framecheaters running around in circles in the same spot ? Dude with single video just proved Framechasers is literally scam, I mean, he somehow gotta live and ofc its gonna be milking Intel users paying massive ammount of money just to even join the discord.
Boo Hoo AMD Fan boys are getting upset lol.
ye, you are saying that someone who used 8700K, 12700K, 13700K and only bought one AMD processor (78X3D) is a AMD fan🤣, he sells his CPU by creating false results, What can you get by defending him here🤣
i dont know is he so crazy Intel fanboy or some store or Intel pay him something to talk horshits