I would suggest playing 1 match of overwatch and then using replay to see the avg fps, training range is not ever a good indication of how rapidly performance can drop when 5v5 fights happen with multiple ults and ability usage. It can tank cpu performance from 600 to 450ish on 13900k.
yep, you are correct. Fortnite for instance if u play the game competitively at a high lvl, even 13900KS/8000 tuned struggles to maintain 200fps in end game scenarios or even certain POIs like mega city.
I really appreciate the fact that you buy things at retail like the rest of us. The comments regarding sample products are spot on. Of course the review samples sent to content creators are triple checked before going out the door.
i7-12700K/KF is the best i7 ever made but it's quite overkill for a gaming build, very few people use all 12 cores 😅. I'm using for a music production PC, extremely easy to cool with air cooling for that perfomance.
I got a 12900k, from what I can tell MW3 and BF2042 actually literally will use 16 cores if you have them. Of course with SMT the 12700k is still fine.
New to your channel but love the info so far. I agree, I’ve tried to go back to team red a few times and always have to start over with blue and green to be stable
I purchased the Z790i motherboard and paired it with the Intel Core i9 13k CPU and 32GB of DDR5 RAM running at 7200MHz with CL36 timings from Team Force. I attempted to overclock them to 8000MHz with CL36 timings using MSI's 'Try It!' feature, and it initially seemed stable. However, after 3 hours of gaming, it crashed the game once a day. I then tried overclocking to 8200MHz with CL40 timings, but it crashed after 2 hours. I eventually settled on a more stable configuration of 7800MHz with CL36 timings, and it has been running smoothly for two days now. Here are the performance results: - At 7200MHz XMP: 620-690fps - At 7800MHz with 'Try It!': 720-750fps - At 8000MHz: 700-800fps I conducted these tests in Valorant, with only bots spawning.
No offense, but as a "poor person" $1000 is midrange. $500-600 or so is budget. Most of the PCs I end up recommending to friends use like a 5600g with a 5500 xt or a 1650 or some crap. It's kinda sad. Anyway as for my build, I got a 12900k bundle from microcenter for $400, a thermalright phantom spirit cooler for $40, and a 850W thermaltake PSU for $100, and then I reused components from my last build, I reused my case, my hard drives and SSDs, and the 6650 XT I upgraded to last year. I know you crapped on AMD cards but at a "poor person's" budget, man, all we can afford is freaking AMD. I got my 6650 XT for $230 last year, nvidia wanted $340 for a freaking 3060 and $280 for a freaking 3050, it was sad. Its better now, but still, at $280 for a 3060 or $300 for a 4060, eh, I mean, nvidia is better than it was, but still, given the RX 6600 is like $190-200ish and the 6650 XT is still like $220-230...eh.... I mean, at that price range, nvidia just doesnt offer good value, and intel is unstable AF. Like I know you were talking about AMD running old cards at 10 FPS...no that's intel arc cards. At least AMD cards largely work. Anyway if I were recommending a true budget build with no access to microcenter, I'd probably say go for a 12600k given discounts ive seen recently (processor has been down to $140-160) and something like a 6600 or 6650 XT. If you want an AMD CPU maybe a 5700x, if you want an nvidia GPU, go 3060 or 4060. And yeah, that's a decent budget friendly build. Of course if you have microcenter nearby, get their CPU/mobo/RAM bundles, you're talking 5600 X3D with 16 GB RAM for $300, 12900k or 7700x with 32 GB DDR5 for $400, a 7800X3D with 32 GB RAM for $500, or a 13700k/14700k with 32 GB RAM for $600. And yes, that's with a motherboard too. It's nuts. I personally went 12900k because it seemed like an insane processor for the money, the AMD AM5 bundles seemed....unstable based on reviews, and the 5600X3D is nice...but who wants to buy a 6 core CPU in 2023? Like here's the thing with CPUs...if you go too cheap, you're not saving money. You gotta consider how much money you're paying and then how many years of decent performance you're likely getting out of it. Wanna cheap out with a 6c/12t when games are already 100%ing that, go for it but you'll feel that in 2-4 years. I'd go at least 8 core or like a 12600k/13400f for some futureproofing otherwise. You could argue vs a 5600X3D it doesnt matter and sure, but then there's the RAM and the 12900k deal. I mean, I didnt wanna reuse my previous slower DDR4, so Id need to buy another kit of RAM to get 32 GB so it would cost $340 but again, for $60 more over that I could just buy a 12900k and get one of the best CPUs out right now (as demonstrated by this channel) for literal budget prices. It's insane. I mean when you consider that a decent DDR5 6000 kit costs $100 and a Z motherboard costs like $200, you're getting a fricking 16 core CPU for $100. Will I ever use all the cores? no. Is it still better than a fricking 6 core AM4 chip? Heck yes. So yeah highly recommend a trip to microcenter if it's an option, it's INSANE.
this is first world budget build :D, here in my "third world country" this would cost you 1700 EUR - the same build in my country with VAT taxes and PSU included...
no. intel does not compromise unlike AMD. Intel tile is not comparable to AMD chiplet, AMD chiplets are soldered on the PCB meanwhile Intel is on silicon(silicon to silicon copper bonding, AKA foveros).
Thank you Jufes, you helped me so much in the process of choosing my pc parts (will get a consult). Also thank you to the supporters who made this channel and its vision of honesty to the consumers possible.
Hes definitely no BS. I use the same mentality when building for others. I built a rig for my friend to play D4 and put him with a 13700KF and 4070ti for his budget of $2000. He is not computer savvy, the last PC he had with AMD graphics in it he ended up literally throwing it in the trash because he couldn't figure out how to get it working.
@@eNoqfOu Its simple reality. I've owned every major AMD and Nvidia card, my hobby is buying these things and playing around with them and then reselling them when I'm tired of it. I haven't managed to keep an AMD card in my rig full time since Tahiti (HD7970) was the top dog.The more you play, the more problems you have. If you don't notice the problems, congrats you're either the type of person to lose your sunglasses on top of your own head, completely unaware and unobservant of the world around you or you play 1080p 60 locked vsync and anything can run it smoothly.
@@arc00taWhat do your anecdotal stories have to do with heaps of spreadsheets of numbers? If you're choosing a 2080ti over a 6900xt you do not care about fps.
Thanks everyone for all of the support of this channel definitely like the content of this page than any other. I'm more into the more serious overclocking and delidding type stuff which you seem to stay up on as well which I can appreciate. Thanks for the content
Thank you guys in the discord of Jufes. i follow him since 2 years here on youtube, he has been a real help in building my own cheap fast pc. this non biased community is nice to see in this industry. Cheers.
well... let me explain with what i mean by non biased: i personally have the same experiences with pc's as jufes shows here on his channel. things will never change and thats a fact. intel and nvidia just works. and amd dont. you dont have to agree, i only have to agree with myself based of my exp and the information provided by framechasers.
Whoah such a usefull video, lot of knowledge, thank you. Im on i9/4090/oc the whole thing (I play dead by daylight and RDR2), but I still appreciate this type of content.
Thanks supporters and maybe one of you could help me quick. I’m a poor up and coming cod bro i guess since I just recently upgraded to a pc to try and compete lol so I’m new at this but learning since I watch every vid. Got a 12900k, 3090ti, pro z690a with 32gb 5200 ddr5. I average 250 fps in multiplayer but only about 170 in Warzone on 1080p. What’s the goal? Wanting to upgrade my old 144hz 1080p to a 240hz 1440p monitor so 240fps in 1440 without upgrading the whole setup is my goal. Obviously ram is a start but I don’t know which affiliate link is best for my exact setup. I’d like to to do the ram upgrade regardless so any help on that would be appreciated. But I doubt that will get me to my goal so what’s the move after that remembering I’m also poor? Become a member and learn how to overclock it myself? Obviously a consult but I’d rather not spend $600 if I didn’t have to but I will if it’s the only way to compete. But maybe that $600 towards upgrades would be better instead? Ugh this pc shit is confusing haha but I’m excited to learn more. I’m dumb and this post is all over but if somebody can help me out or point me in the right direction I’d greatly appreciate it.
You’re not gonna get ddr5 much faster than ~ 6000mhz on that motherboard unfortunately. You need to start there, try and hunt for bargains on the z790i edge. Keep in mind that is an iTX board which means it’s tiny like the one Ivan uses in this video. Only difference is that the Edge does have decent heat sinks but you’re still looking at a fairly difficult time getting things to stabilise at low temps, but having good case airflow will get you there no problem. Then for ram a good bet is to go for 7600mhz TeamGroup 32gb sticks if you want a-die, but that’s hard to overclock for most. You can always drop the speed of the sticks down from 7600 to 7200mhz in the bios if they won’t post with the higher speed. He hasn’t linked those particular sticks here but if you go back a couple of vids I think you will find them. They are also easy to find anyways.
@@dimitry7182 Appreciate the response. And thats what I was afraid of from what I’ve learned so far. The case is huge. It’s a Phanteks MetallicGear Neo Qube Case with 9 fans in it (3 intake on the bottom, 3 intake on the back in front of the 360mm AIO, 3 exhaust on top) with room for more on the end so I don’t think cooling would be an issue but idk exactly. So what exactly would you recommend then given that information? Keeping in mind I’ve never overclocked so the more “plug and play” it is from the start would be ideal but I’m also willing to try and learn and want to eventually.
@@killshot3331 Other than it looking a bit weird having a mobo that small in a case that big it should be totally fine. You'll probably also have to find a way to somehow prop a fan up so it's blowing air right down the RAM sticks if you're going to be trying for something 7200mhz+. But yeah, your cheapest way to achieving high ram speeds (7200mhz+) is the MSI z790i Edge. With a 12900k you should be able to hit 7200mhz reliably with XMP, anything above doesn't always work even on a 13900k, let alone on a 12900k but at least you should be able to set XMP, set speed to 7200mhz and it should work a-ok. Then still go for the TeamGroup sticks I spoke about (T-Force Delta, 32gb, 7600mhz CL36) as those seem to be really cheap right now, have actually useable heatspreader + thermal pad setup and is RGB if you care about that. If you want I can provide further assistance and give you a hand but it's not gonna happen over youtube comments. Drop me something (i.e. discord name), I'll add you and give you a hand.
ive never built a pc without cutting a strip of metal and mounting it to the board where u screw it to the case and mounting a fan at the other end of the strip. never overheat vrms and daily high voltage dram with maxxed tREFI
Yes, because it actually runs without crashing and black screens, due to crumby drivers. I recently bought a RX 7900 XTX Gaming X Trio to try. Uninstalled previous drivers with DDU Uninstaller, card wouldn't post. Got it to boot eventually. Worked fine in the games I tried, however, just trying to toggle simple features inside of Adrenalin caused black screens. Thought to myself: oh well, I'll keep testing it. Decided to do some simple video editing in Premiere Pro, BOOM, crashed twice in a row. Popped my 3090 TI back in, booted straight away, and works with everything. Anyone that has had any experience with AMD knows (and are honest with themselves) that you WILL experience issues, unless you literally only use the card to play COD. AMD is not worth the cost saving. I should note that, at this point, I have had RX 6800, 6800 XT, RX 6950 XT - the latter did have less issues, but still had it's weird quirks. Nvidia has over 90% of the market share for good reason guys, everything just works. Don't waste your time on AMD. Don't even know why I am saying this to someone that opts for AMD, as you simply can't reason with them xD hopefully some poor soul who was going to buy AMD sees it, though.
@@Wobbothe3rdit absolutely does not lmao, this channel has turned from "no bs" into intel fanboys getting upvotes for saying 2080ti outperforms 6800. that is such a insane take and easily disproven.
I have had a lot of bad parts recently, I'm just taking apart a 13700K system with a Gigabyte board that had the ethernet port fail after 6 weeks of use while I watch this, and before that I had an ADATA 7200mhz A-die kit with a dead module right out of the box last week.
AMD has dramatically improved their drivers as of recently (months ago). My 6900 XT spanks my 2080 Super on my laptop. Obviously it's a max-q, but literally gets about half the FPS. That said, I would trade it for a RTX 40 series if I were to upgrade to a 4k display. 1% lows rock solid in 1440p and microstutters don't exist if you know how to properly undervolt GPU and overclock your CPU and set up XMP with proper voltage with the timings you want
I'm ready to go back to nvidia, I think im gonna snag an open box 3080 ti from that Zotac ebay page for $600, seems like the move over the 4070 I was also looking at. also that h1 case looks dope as fuck, when I'm ready to upgrade my CPU I may look at doing an ITX build in that case. thanks to all supporters!
@@FrameChasers Why not just show the stock performance of this computer then? Budget minded people aren't going to spend half the value of this computer for slightly better performance.
Whoever said the 2080it beats a 6950xt innthe stream coments are on some good hardcore drugs. I do agree that amd has stutters because i fucked arround and found out but lets not go overboard to say a 2080ti is better than a 6950xt .
2080ti is like 15% faster at best than a 3060ti for the itx budget build cutting gpu wattage in half and likely not being higher than 1440p id pick the 3060ti, u can undervolt them cunts down to like 120w while still boosting higher than factory and running 16gbps g6
I can see like 10 differrnt ways you could have shaved money off this build. H3 revolt with 700w psu is 110 on amazon. Theres games whwre intel is better and games where amd is better. Just like with the x3d chips theres some games that take better to more vcache and some that take better to higher clocks.
H1 case is $400 reg price. Comes with a 140mm aio, 92mm fan, riser cable and 750w psu. H3 revolt is $250 reg price and only comes with a 700w psu. Really only worth it on sale.
@bradleyhenry2411 140mm or 280? Becuase I'd never use a single fan rad. besides he's using a 3060ti or 12gb whatever, it's a budget build. 110 case 100 (or less) for a 240/280mm aio, boom same price. And then a 7800x3d with gigabyte a620i, more average frames, higher lows, less power consumption. The anti amd attitude is just laughable when their 8 core x3d chips beat out 6.0ghz 24 core 700 dollar intel processors.
@bradleyhenry2411 funny rn at Amazon it's 110 with 700w psu and 130 without it. For my area at least. Still is only addressing one of the many points I made. H3 and a 240/280 is like 200/230 vs 250. And then everything I said about hardware choices for a budget build. This could have been done for cheaper with a better cpu with more frames for the "frame chasers"
could have bought an amdip 5800x3d at 299, amdip mobo at 100 bucks, 32gb of ram at 40. any cooling you want since it's just amd, let's say 40 bucks and with the spare money you go and buy an used 3080 or if you wanna go for new gpus you can go for a 3070, ti even or some 7800xt but you'll have to wait like 3 months because they get no amdriver support and that shit will be the budget king for a long while and if you want an upgrade path just sell it when you wanna upgrade and buy into ddr5 once it's cheap and mature, not during the early stages like right now
I have a i7 13700k with Corsair titanium 7200 ddr5 32gb and 4090 I also have 7900x3d 6000 ddr5 32gb using the same 4090 I’ve toned the 7900x3dx using the newest drivers and game bar my amd system seems to run slower on mw3 ? Am I crazy or is there something to it. By the way nzxt H1 is my go to case when I build itx system for sale
Hi sir Which prossesor should I buy for gaming Intel i5 13600k vs amd r5 7600x but the intel i5 13600k is better in 1% lows and slightly more fps then amd r5 7600x cpu at stock settings even same ddr5 memory so please tell me which prossesor should I buy
1000? That's it? Well let me whip that out real quick just so I can beat AMD. Remember when he used to call out Tech Tubers for blindly supporting companies.
Why do AMD products have so many dips? I am running a Ryzen 5 5600X and even with PBO and a curve optimizer which runs really better than stock, I still have some dips. I am waiting for an NVIDIA GPU to see if it makes a difference. If not, I am jumping ship to Intel and NVIDIA
Should I upgrade my gpu or ram ? I have a 5900x with Corsair 3600mhz cl18-22-22-39 Gpu is a rtx 3060 amp white. I found a 3070 same model for 300$ which is pretty good. the ram I want is g skill 32gig 4000mhz c16-16-16-36 1.4v This kit is 250$ there’s another kit that’s c19-19-19-39 at 1.35v this kit is 268$ then there’s a 220$ kit 32gig 3600mhz c14-14-14-34 1.45v. Before anyone asks… yes these are all g skill and have rgb lol. In reality I don’t need to upgrade but when I experienced smoother pacing across games that give me micro stutters. I was sold. the 3600mhz kit that I’m using is overclocked to 3800mhz \ stock timings. my kit goes to 4000mhz but it’s not stable hense why I settled for 3800mhz
Gpu, no brainer you won’t see a difference changing ram vvv little , I’m running 3600 cl18 ram with 5900x , tried 3600 cl14 tighter timings was a waste of money.. 3600mhz stock with decent timings should be stable and smooth …
@@ukgunit001 I got the 3070 & I gotta say that I made the right choice. when it comes to the 5800x or higher. you need low latency + high speed b die. & then you tune the timings. You need atleast 3800mhz or better on the frequency. I’m gonna go ahead & buy the 5800x3d plus some good b die. the results are pretty insane when comparing the 5900x vs 5800x3d for gaming. the 5800x3d has much higher highs & average. While the 5900x has better lows & decent highs / average. when you get good b die for the 5800x3d the lows are crazy high & the highs / average gets even crazier. with the 5900x you see some improvement in the lows & highs / average but I rather 200 1% lows so 5800x3d with bdie ram it is. To make my pc overkill now I need a new case, 3090, 750w psu or better, new case & an extra fan ;)
@@silfrido1768 sounds like it will be a beast ! You running 1440 or 1080 , let us know how you get on with the build , you might even tempt me to switch to the 5800x3d 🤞all the best with the build !!
@@karlos1060 i know he is mostly only joking, but amd did used to be extremely poor in open gl. amd cards would get like a quarter of whan an equivelent nvidia card would. since they updated their drivers, its right about where you would expect it to be.
I use 13900KF, Z790 UD AC REV1.0 DDR5 5600MHZ corsair vengeance 64gb, 7900XTX Sapphire VAPOR. It's for VR mostly DCS world, Hitman3,Msfs2020. I also run starfield around 150fps.
I don’t like your poor comments but the video is good. You gotta do people’s champ stuff somewhat regularly if you wanna get more addicted people paying large amounts of high APR credit to ya.
Anybody have any ideas to fix games randomly crashing when alt tabbing on a dual pc setup with display cloning? Main reason I went dual pc was because of input latency from single pc. It's happened on my old 5800x and now my 7700x so I'm pretty sure if I switched to intel issues would be resolved. BUT the only game I care about is Counter Strike, so I'd like to stay AMD if possilble, but I might have to switch back to intel if that's the only solution.
I'm sorry it happens to you, but you can't buy AMD multiple times and then complain you have issues. It was acceptable with Zen 1 and 2, but not now. Take the loss and learn your lesson.
@@ionelroza I don't really get why you're trying to be a smart ass but I clearly stated that I know the AMD CPU is the cause. I also clearly stated that I chose an AMD CPU because it was the best for CSGO at the time and at the moment AMD is still the best for CS2. All I was doing was asking for any suggestions for possible resolutions, because there are probably a ton of things I haven't tried that could probably help.
CS technician here, source engine could crash when alt-tabbing from a unfixed bug valve still doesn't want to fix. It might be best to run it duo pc style or with Linux since I haven't had a crash tabbing around.
Microcenter Alder Lake bundles were unbeatable.
12700kf, msi z690-a, ddr5 2x16 m-die for sub 300?
So glad Timmy can finally compete!
Thanks to the supporters down below
I would suggest playing 1 match of overwatch and then using replay to see the avg fps, training range is not ever a good indication of how rapidly performance can drop when 5v5 fights happen with multiple ults and ability usage. It can tank cpu performance from 600 to 450ish on 13900k.
Dude he's getting 500fps......it's not that serious. But you have fun on your 500mhz monitor 🤣
@@robman8348 You missed the point of my comment entirely
yep, you are correct. Fortnite for instance if u play the game competitively at a high lvl, even 13900KS/8000 tuned struggles to maintain 200fps in end game scenarios or even certain POIs like mega city.
yep, unfortunately there are way too many people like @robman8348 in the world. @@JagsP95
@@BoogeymanjwYeah man its insane dips
This build is so clean and goated, if I wasn't literally signing the papers on a new house, i'd be making this build for my little Timmy!!
I really appreciate the fact that you buy things at retail like the rest of us. The comments regarding sample products are spot on. Of course the review samples sent to content creators are triple checked before going out the door.
Commenting to feed the ego of the supporters and thank them. Poor gamer here and this info was gold ❤
Thanks for the showmanship, gets me smilling every time! Thanks to your supporters for allowing you to do such amazing content.
i7-12700K/KF is the best i7 ever made but it's quite overkill for a gaming build, very few people use all 12 cores 😅. I'm using for a music production PC, extremely easy to cool with air cooling for that perfomance.
I got a 12900k, from what I can tell MW3 and BF2042 actually literally will use 16 cores if you have them. Of course with SMT the 12700k is still fine.
I built this PC, and my 12700kf can't do 7200 CL34 XMP profile but will boot at 6000 cl38
Thank you supporters
New to your channel but love the info so far.
I agree, I’ve tried to go back to team red a few times and always have to start over with blue and green to be stable
Such a clever non RGB ITX build.
"fine, here you go!" - The poors everywhere rejoice. This is the best channel ever
I purchased the Z790i motherboard and paired it with the Intel Core i9 13k CPU and 32GB of DDR5 RAM running at 7200MHz with CL36 timings from Team Force. I attempted to overclock them to 8000MHz with CL36 timings using MSI's 'Try It!' feature, and it initially seemed stable. However, after 3 hours of gaming, it crashed the game once a day.
I then tried overclocking to 8200MHz with CL40 timings, but it crashed after 2 hours. I eventually settled on a more stable configuration of 7800MHz with CL36 timings, and it has been running smoothly for two days now.
Here are the performance results:
- At 7200MHz XMP: 620-690fps
- At 7800MHz with 'Try It!': 720-750fps
- At 8000MHz: 700-800fps
I conducted these tests in Valorant, with only bots spawning.
have you even tuned the secondaries 🤦♂️
@@maximus3294I told already. I only use the try it function. 7800 is stable since week.
@@chvtneythere's other timings you gotta tune if you actually want to affect performance; tFAW chief among them
@@maximus3294 thank u for this information. I didn’t know actually
Great vid!! Thanks to everyone who helped make this vid.
No offense, but as a "poor person" $1000 is midrange. $500-600 or so is budget. Most of the PCs I end up recommending to friends use like a 5600g with a 5500 xt or a 1650 or some crap. It's kinda sad.
Anyway as for my build, I got a 12900k bundle from microcenter for $400, a thermalright phantom spirit cooler for $40, and a 850W thermaltake PSU for $100, and then I reused components from my last build, I reused my case, my hard drives and SSDs, and the 6650 XT I upgraded to last year. I know you crapped on AMD cards but at a "poor person's" budget, man, all we can afford is freaking AMD. I got my 6650 XT for $230 last year, nvidia wanted $340 for a freaking 3060 and $280 for a freaking 3050, it was sad. Its better now, but still, at $280 for a 3060 or $300 for a 4060, eh, I mean, nvidia is better than it was, but still, given the RX 6600 is like $190-200ish and the 6650 XT is still like $220-230...eh....
I mean, at that price range, nvidia just doesnt offer good value, and intel is unstable AF. Like I know you were talking about AMD running old cards at 10 FPS...no that's intel arc cards. At least AMD cards largely work.
Anyway if I were recommending a true budget build with no access to microcenter, I'd probably say go for a 12600k given discounts ive seen recently (processor has been down to $140-160) and something like a 6600 or 6650 XT. If you want an AMD CPU maybe a 5700x, if you want an nvidia GPU, go 3060 or 4060. And yeah, that's a decent budget friendly build.
Of course if you have microcenter nearby, get their CPU/mobo/RAM bundles, you're talking 5600 X3D with 16 GB RAM for $300, 12900k or 7700x with 32 GB DDR5 for $400, a 7800X3D with 32 GB RAM for $500, or a 13700k/14700k with 32 GB RAM for $600. And yes, that's with a motherboard too. It's nuts. I personally went 12900k because it seemed like an insane processor for the money, the AMD AM5 bundles seemed....unstable based on reviews, and the 5600X3D is nice...but who wants to buy a 6 core CPU in 2023? Like here's the thing with CPUs...if you go too cheap, you're not saving money. You gotta consider how much money you're paying and then how many years of decent performance you're likely getting out of it. Wanna cheap out with a 6c/12t when games are already 100%ing that, go for it but you'll feel that in 2-4 years. I'd go at least 8 core or like a 12600k/13400f for some futureproofing otherwise. You could argue vs a 5600X3D it doesnt matter and sure, but then there's the RAM and the 12900k deal. I mean, I didnt wanna reuse my previous slower DDR4, so Id need to buy another kit of RAM to get 32 GB so it would cost $340 but again, for $60 more over that I could just buy a 12900k and get one of the best CPUs out right now (as demonstrated by this channel) for literal budget prices. It's insane. I mean when you consider that a decent DDR5 6000 kit costs $100 and a Z motherboard costs like $200, you're getting a fricking 16 core CPU for $100. Will I ever use all the cores? no. Is it still better than a fricking 6 core AM4 chip? Heck yes. So yeah highly recommend a trip to microcenter if it's an option, it's INSANE.
just say you recommend going to microcenter with some bullet points why... a whole damn college essay over a build guide isn't worth it.
Thanks to the supporters and Jufes 💪✊🥰👍😇
this is first world budget build :D, here in my "third world country" this would cost you 1700 EUR - the same build in my country with VAT taxes and PSU included...
Sorry ahead of time, I cant resist:
TIMMAHHHHH!!
dude intel next gen will also have the AMDIPPP , because they go for tiles (more fancy chiplets)
no. intel does not compromise unlike AMD. Intel tile is not comparable to AMD chiplet, AMD chiplets are soldered on the PCB meanwhile Intel is on silicon(silicon to silicon copper bonding, AKA foveros).
Thank you Jufes, you helped me so much in the process of choosing my pc parts (will get a consult). Also thank you to the supporters who made this channel and its vision of honesty to the consumers possible.
Hes definitely no BS. I use the same mentality when building for others. I built a rig for my friend to play D4 and put him with a 13700KF and 4070ti for his budget of $2000. He is not computer savvy, the last PC he had with AMD graphics in it he ended up literally throwing it in the trash because he couldn't figure out how to get it working.
@@arc00talol I guess that where AMD belongs
@@arc00tahim saying he would get a 2080ti over 6800 or 6900xt reeks of bias bs
@@eNoqfOu Its simple reality. I've owned every major AMD and Nvidia card, my hobby is buying these things and playing around with them and then reselling them when I'm tired of it. I haven't managed to keep an AMD card in my rig full time since Tahiti (HD7970) was the top dog.The more you play, the more problems you have. If you don't notice the problems, congrats you're either the type of person to lose your sunglasses on top of your own head, completely unaware and unobservant of the world around you or you play 1080p 60 locked vsync and anything can run it smoothly.
@@arc00taWhat do your anecdotal stories have to do with heaps of spreadsheets of numbers? If you're choosing a 2080ti over a 6900xt you do not care about fps.
As always Jufes never fails to provide top quality sarcasm! Grand champion
Thanks everyone for all of the support of this channel definitely like the content of this page than any other. I'm more into the more serious overclocking and delidding type stuff which you seem to stay up on as well which I can appreciate. Thanks for the content
Thank you guys in the discord of Jufes.
i follow him since 2 years here on youtube, he has been a real help in building my own cheap fast pc.
this non biased community is nice to see in this industry.
Cheers.
"Non biased" they say 😭
About as “non-biased” as User Benchmark
non biased lol dude is literally an intel nvidia shill
well... let me explain with what i mean by non biased:
i personally have the same experiences with pc's as jufes shows here on his channel.
things will never change and thats a fact.
intel and nvidia just works.
and amd dont.
you dont have to agree, i only have to agree with myself based of my exp and the information provided by framechasers.
Yoda was blinded by arrogance before...@@Lethalwick5673
Is the CPU overclocked, ecores enabled? and did you tune the memory timings or this same FPS can be done with XMP.
5600X3D and a 6800XT would shit on this build lmfao for the same price or less.
Whoah such a usefull video, lot of knowledge, thank you. Im on i9/4090/oc the whole thing (I play dead by daylight and RDR2), but I still appreciate this type of content.
and you can upgrade the 140 fan if needing more.
Thanks to all the amazing supporters!!!! ♥
Holy shit this is a great build for kida and kids at heart that need to kick ass online. Awesome!
thank you for the. supporters!!!!
AMD fixed their OpenGL drivers last year and Wolfenstein runs great now.
I have a $4000 pc. but thanks for paying this guy. We can all be monetarily responsible
And I went with a 4090 smal ff pc but I love it I was able to get the 4090 at 1440 wish isn’t bad in a mesh runs cooler than my 3080
Thanks supporters and maybe one of you could help me quick. I’m a poor up and coming cod bro i guess since I just recently upgraded to a pc to try and compete lol so I’m new at this but learning since I watch every vid. Got a 12900k, 3090ti, pro z690a with 32gb 5200 ddr5. I average 250 fps in multiplayer but only about 170 in Warzone on 1080p. What’s the goal? Wanting to upgrade my old 144hz 1080p to a 240hz 1440p monitor so 240fps in 1440 without upgrading the whole setup is my goal. Obviously ram is a start but I don’t know which affiliate link is best for my exact setup. I’d like to to do the ram upgrade regardless so any help on that would be appreciated. But I doubt that will get me to my goal so what’s the move after that remembering I’m also poor? Become a member and learn how to overclock it myself? Obviously a consult but I’d rather not spend $600 if I didn’t have to but I will if it’s the only way to compete. But maybe that $600 towards upgrades would be better instead? Ugh this pc shit is confusing haha but I’m excited to learn more. I’m dumb and this post is all over but if somebody can help me out or point me in the right direction I’d greatly appreciate it.
You’re not gonna get ddr5 much faster than ~ 6000mhz on that motherboard unfortunately. You need to start there, try and hunt for bargains on the z790i edge. Keep in mind that is an iTX board which means it’s tiny like the one Ivan uses in this video. Only difference is that the Edge does have decent heat sinks but you’re still looking at a fairly difficult time getting things to stabilise at low temps, but having good case airflow will get you there no problem. Then for ram a good bet is to go for 7600mhz TeamGroup 32gb sticks if you want a-die, but that’s hard to overclock for most. You can always drop the speed of the sticks down from 7600 to 7200mhz in the bios if they won’t post with the higher speed. He hasn’t linked those particular sticks here but if you go back a couple of vids I think you will find them. They are also easy to find anyways.
@@dimitry7182 Appreciate the response. And thats what I was afraid of from what I’ve learned so far. The case is huge. It’s a Phanteks MetallicGear Neo Qube Case with 9 fans in it (3 intake on the bottom, 3 intake on the back in front of the 360mm AIO, 3 exhaust on top) with room for more on the end so I don’t think cooling would be an issue but idk exactly. So what exactly would you recommend then given that information? Keeping in mind I’ve never overclocked so the more “plug and play” it is from the start would be ideal but I’m also willing to try and learn and want to eventually.
@@killshot3331 Other than it looking a bit weird having a mobo that small in a case that big it should be totally fine. You'll probably also have to find a way to somehow prop a fan up so it's blowing air right down the RAM sticks if you're going to be trying for something 7200mhz+. But yeah, your cheapest way to achieving high ram speeds (7200mhz+) is the MSI z790i Edge. With a 12900k you should be able to hit 7200mhz reliably with XMP, anything above doesn't always work even on a 13900k, let alone on a 12900k but at least you should be able to set XMP, set speed to 7200mhz and it should work a-ok. Then still go for the TeamGroup sticks I spoke about (T-Force Delta, 32gb, 7600mhz CL36) as those seem to be really cheap right now, have actually useable heatspreader + thermal pad setup and is RGB if you care about that. If you want I can provide further assistance and give you a hand but it's not gonna happen over youtube comments. Drop me something (i.e. discord name), I'll add you and give you a hand.
Im building one of these for my little brother Timmy. He his going to love it. Go beat up those console boys!
Dear great and might donators and supporters.. thank you for helping little timmy compete..
Bless you all..😅
Thanks to everyone for supporting these kinds of video
Thanks to the goated supporters, this was a fun video
ive never built a pc without cutting a strip of metal and mounting it to the board where u screw it to the case and mounting a fan at the other end of the strip. never overheat vrms and daily high voltage dram with maxxed tREFI
Nice build. No Dips is the Key.
2080 ti over a 6800, lol, yeah ok.
Yes, because it actually runs without crashing and black screens, due to crumby drivers.
I recently bought a RX 7900 XTX Gaming X Trio to try. Uninstalled previous drivers with DDU Uninstaller, card wouldn't post. Got it to boot eventually. Worked fine in the games I tried, however, just trying to toggle simple features inside of Adrenalin caused black screens. Thought to myself: oh well, I'll keep testing it. Decided to do some simple video editing in Premiere Pro, BOOM, crashed twice in a row. Popped my 3090 TI back in, booted straight away, and works with everything.
Anyone that has had any experience with AMD knows (and are honest with themselves) that you WILL experience issues, unless you literally only use the card to play COD. AMD is not worth the cost saving. I should note that, at this point, I have had RX 6800, 6800 XT, RX 6950 XT - the latter did have less issues, but still had it's weird quirks. Nvidia has over 90% of the market share for good reason guys, everything just works. Don't waste your time on AMD. Don't even know why I am saying this to someone that opts for AMD, as you simply can't reason with them xD hopefully some poor soul who was going to buy AMD sees it, though.
100% the 2080ti performs better than a 6800 no question. Also this channel overclocks all parts.
@@Wobbothe3rd lol sure it does. ua-cam.com/video/wxYNWgiHZz0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MarkPC
@@Wobbothe3rd ua-cam.com/video/5MI-gVMV9Oo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Benchmark
@@Wobbothe3rdit absolutely does not lmao, this channel has turned from "no bs" into intel fanboys getting upvotes for saying 2080ti outperforms 6800. that is such a insane take and easily disproven.
7:48 “What do poor people use?” Ultra elitist comment! 😂
Looking fit Jufes!
I have had a lot of bad parts recently, I'm just taking apart a 13700K system with a Gigabyte board that had the ethernet port fail after 6 weeks of use while I watch this, and before that I had an ADATA 7200mhz A-die kit with a dead module right out of the box last week.
That’s bad luck no issues here with my build since December or before that
thanks guys . If I want to know the truth, I come here
AMD has dramatically improved their drivers as of recently (months ago). My 6900 XT spanks my 2080 Super on my laptop. Obviously it's a max-q, but literally gets about half the FPS. That said, I would trade it for a RTX 40 series if I were to upgrade to a 4k display. 1% lows rock solid in 1440p and microstutters don't exist if you know how to properly undervolt GPU and overclock your CPU and set up XMP with proper voltage with the timings you want
"laptop"
Laptop chips arent the same as desktop chip, they are usally cut down. Like the 4080 laptop is literally a 4070 cut down core.
yeah my 3090 spanks my laptop rx 7600s!
Can't afford that sweet, sweet AMdip at that budget! Nice build.
is this still a good build today?
Thank you supporters this is a GOAT budget perf build rn
I'm ready to go back to nvidia, I think im gonna snag an open box 3080 ti from that Zotac ebay page for $600, seems like the move over the 4070 I was also looking at.
also that h1 case looks dope as fuck, when I'm ready to upgrade my CPU I may look at doing an ITX build in that case.
thanks to all supporters!
Hey Jufes, what exactly did you do to tune the system? You kind of glossed over the most important part
I don’t show people how to tune machines publicly
Pay $500 if you wanna see it lol 😅 or learn it yourself the choice is yours
$600 *
@@FrameChasers Why not just show the stock performance of this computer then? Budget minded people aren't going to spend half the value of this computer for slightly better performance.
@@shoaibhasan8157do you know what channel your on?
I run 13600k and I’m more than happy. I came from a 2500k so the jump was insane.
I've had nvidia drivers that broke chrome before, not sure what normal people would do then
I don’t remember you asking what build anyone else would make 😂
Thanks, you and patrons. All good to know.
No AMdip either. Timmy is in business!
This is kinda unbalanced build ngl
Supporter goats
Thanks to the supporters of framChases. I chose in life to be A poor. 😅
Awesome budget build!
Much appreciation to the supporters who made this video possible.
Whoever said the 2080it beats a 6950xt innthe stream coments are on some good hardcore drugs. I do agree that amd has stutters because i fucked arround and found out but lets not go overboard to say a 2080ti is better than a 6950xt .
2080ti is like 15% faster at best than a 3060ti
for the itx budget build cutting gpu wattage in half and likely not being higher than 1440p id pick the 3060ti, u can undervolt them cunts down to like 120w while still boosting higher than factory and running 16gbps g6
5800X3D, one 3200 16GB stick, 1TB SATA, b450, 600W PSU, mATX case. Like $500 tops.
I can't believe you guys don't smash a graphene sheet between two types of thermal paste.
I can see like 10 differrnt ways you could have shaved money off this build. H3 revolt with 700w psu is 110 on amazon. Theres games whwre intel is better and games where amd is better. Just like with the x3d chips theres some games that take better to more vcache and some that take better to higher clocks.
H1 case is $400 reg price. Comes with a 140mm aio, 92mm fan, riser cable and 750w psu. H3 revolt is $250 reg price and only comes with a 700w psu. Really only worth it on sale.
@bradleyhenry2411 140mm or 280? Becuase I'd never use a single fan rad. besides he's using a 3060ti or 12gb whatever, it's a budget build. 110 case 100 (or less) for a 240/280mm aio, boom same price. And then a 7800x3d with gigabyte a620i, more average frames, higher lows, less power consumption. The anti amd attitude is just laughable when their 8 core x3d chips beat out 6.0ghz 24 core 700 dollar intel processors.
@@bgeezus3955 140mm. Btw it's 110 for only the case, doesn't include psu. Psu is 50 extra
@bradleyhenry2411 funny rn at Amazon it's 110 with 700w psu and 130 without it. For my area at least. Still is only addressing one of the many points I made. H3 and a 240/280 is like 200/230 vs 250. And then everything I said about hardware choices for a budget build. This could have been done for cheaper with a better cpu with more frames for the "frame chasers"
could have bought an amdip 5800x3d at 299, amdip mobo at 100 bucks, 32gb of ram at 40.
any cooling you want since it's just amd, let's say 40 bucks
and with the spare money you go and buy an used 3080 or if you wanna go for new gpus you can go for a 3070, ti even or some 7800xt but you'll have to wait like 3 months because they get no amdriver support
and that shit will be the budget king for a long while and if you want an upgrade path just sell it when you wanna upgrade and buy into ddr5 once it's cheap and mature, not during the early stages like right now
I have a i7 13700k with Corsair titanium 7200 ddr5 32gb and 4090 I also have 7900x3d 6000 ddr5 32gb using the same 4090 I’ve toned the 7900x3dx using the newest drivers and game bar my amd system seems to run slower on mw3 ? Am I crazy or is there something to it. By the way nzxt H1 is my go to case when I build itx system for sale
This is why I didn't get the 7900x3d as trying to fix the dual CCD is a nightmare
Hi sir
Which prossesor should I buy for gaming
Intel i5 13600k vs amd r5 7600x but the intel i5 13600k is better in 1% lows and slightly more fps then amd r5 7600x cpu at stock settings even same ddr5 memory so please tell me which prossesor should I buy
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@@FrameChasers sir i am from India can i get your discord channel for questions or building a best gaming pc for me please
@@goluop0982FrameChasers.org
@@FrameChasers can i get for free your discord channel for some question plzz
i am not able to join your discord server
bcz i dont know how ot join that without money..for asking some pc realated question
1000? That's it? Well let me whip that out real quick just so I can beat AMD. Remember when he used to call out Tech Tubers for blindly supporting companies.
He doesn't "blindly" support anything, he actually tests shit out and chooses based on the best value. Your just coping because AMD can't compete.
@@Wobbothe3rdyou're literally in every comment shilling for intel, i hope you don't do it for free, and remember the numbers say you're wrong.
Supporters thank you. I’m poor but your jokes are still funny. Appreciate this video!
Why do AMD products have so many dips? I am running a Ryzen 5 5600X and even with PBO and a curve optimizer which runs really better than stock, I still have some dips. I am waiting for an NVIDIA GPU to see if it makes a difference. If not, I am jumping ship to Intel and NVIDIA
Thank you supporters for enabling this kind of content on the channel.
why waste $250 on a case when you're doing a budget $1000 build?
Its not just a case alone, the H1 case he refers to is a H1 Case/140mm AIO Cooling/PSU combo deal from Bestbuy
obviously sponsored
has PSU and AIO aswell as the perfect fan placement to cool the build but yea could go cheaper
Did you even watch the video? Dumb ass
He said in the video no affiliate link for H1, and also it comes with AIO and PSU. @@cloVerSolo
wouldnt it be easier and cheaper to go 3600 c14 b-die
its not gunna be night and day slower
0.1 low is much better on ddr5
and? if the 0.1% low is above your refresh rate does it matter@@asscheeks4070
I need to build one of these for my boy.
HAHA 30 AMD fanboys watched this and got butthurt😂
I have a 13600k with a 4080 with 3600hz ddr4 with xmp and i don't even get 200 in warshone :(
Too poor to competete
Should I upgrade my gpu or ram ? I have a 5900x with Corsair 3600mhz cl18-22-22-39
Gpu is a rtx 3060 amp white. I found a 3070 same model for 300$ which is pretty good.
the ram I want is g skill 32gig 4000mhz c16-16-16-36 1.4v
This kit is 250$
there’s another kit that’s c19-19-19-39 at 1.35v this kit is 268$
then there’s a 220$ kit 32gig 3600mhz c14-14-14-34 1.45v.
Before anyone asks… yes these are all g skill and have rgb lol.
In reality I don’t need to upgrade but when I experienced smoother pacing across games that give me micro stutters. I was sold.
the 3600mhz kit that I’m using is overclocked to 3800mhz \ stock timings.
my kit goes to 4000mhz but it’s not stable hense why I settled for 3800mhz
@JesusisLordSEEK I found a good g skill kit on Amazon for 154$ 4000 C17-17-17-37
16GB. to bad it’s not 32gb :(
Gpu, no brainer you won’t see a difference changing ram vvv little , I’m running 3600 cl18 ram with 5900x , tried 3600 cl14 tighter timings was a waste of money.. 3600mhz stock with decent timings should be stable and smooth …
@@ukgunit001 I got the 3070 & I gotta say that I made the right choice.
when it comes to the 5800x or higher. you need low latency + high speed b die. & then you tune the timings.
You need atleast 3800mhz or better on the frequency.
I’m gonna go ahead & buy the 5800x3d plus some good b die.
the results are pretty insane when comparing the 5900x vs 5800x3d for gaming.
the 5800x3d has much higher highs & average. While the 5900x has better lows & decent highs / average.
when you get good b die for the 5800x3d the lows are crazy high & the highs / average gets even crazier.
with the 5900x you see some improvement in the lows & highs / average but
I rather 200 1% lows so 5800x3d with bdie ram it is.
To make my pc overkill now I need a new case, 3090, 750w psu or better, new case & an extra fan ;)
@@ukgunit001 I play a lot of e sports so I need faster ram with low latency. I can settle for a 16gb kit but I don’t wanna go back to 16gb /:
@@silfrido1768 sounds like it will be a beast ! You running 1440 or 1080 , let us know how you get on with the build , you might even tempt me to switch to the 5800x3d 🤞all the best with the build !!
Thanks for giving us poor folk some scraps
amd has vastly improved their open gl perf. they updated it about a year ago.
@@karlos1060 i know he is mostly only joking, but amd did used to be extremely poor in open gl. amd cards would get like a quarter of whan an equivelent nvidia card would. since they updated their drivers, its right about where you would expect it to be.
Nvidia engineering superior
@@RogueTravel agreed, but he is wrong about the open gl, after the update.
So glad i got rid of my ghetto-a$$ AMD GPU.
I use 13900KF, Z790 UD AC REV1.0 DDR5 5600MHZ corsair vengeance 64gb, 7900XTX Sapphire VAPOR.
It's for VR mostly DCS world, Hitman3,Msfs2020. I also run starfield around 150fps.
eyyy DCS
The 7900XTX ALONE costs almost $1000!
Timmy can compete!!!!😂😂😂
this case is gone from the internet
A budget build and cant get off intel/nvidia? Thats silly
No, it really isn't. AMD actually SUCKS especially their GPUs, which is why no one buys them.
@@Wobbothe3rd Yeah thats why were sold out for a month, no one buys em
how tf did u oc that cpu on this mobo
Thanks Timmy
Appreciate you
AMD fanboy cries in pain as he has to put effort into touching his PC beyond XMP.
Too Poor, Tearing laughing lmao
love your haircut
I don’t like your poor comments but the video is good. You gotta do people’s champ stuff somewhat regularly if you wanna get more addicted people paying large amounts of high APR credit to ya.
Have to said i hate the guys presentation but his build is top notch with parts that compliment each other
what do poor people use .... LMAO
Anybody have any ideas to fix games randomly crashing when alt tabbing on a dual pc setup with display cloning? Main reason I went dual pc was because of input latency from single pc. It's happened on my old 5800x and now my 7700x so I'm pretty sure if I switched to intel issues would be resolved. BUT the only game I care about is Counter Strike, so I'd like to stay AMD if possilble, but I might have to switch back to intel if that's the only solution.
Intel
I'm sorry it happens to you, but you can't buy AMD multiple times and then complain you have issues. It was acceptable with Zen 1 and 2, but not now.
Take the loss and learn your lesson.
@@ionelroza I don't really get why you're trying to be a smart ass but I clearly stated that I know the AMD CPU is the cause. I also clearly stated that I chose an AMD CPU because it was the best for CSGO at the time and at the moment AMD is still the best for CS2. All I was doing was asking for any suggestions for possible resolutions, because there are probably a ton of things
I haven't tried that could probably help.
CS technician here, source engine could crash when alt-tabbing from a unfixed bug valve still doesn't want to fix. It might be best to run it duo pc style or with Linux since I haven't had a crash tabbing around.
Great video jufus
Thanks for the support and remember to thank YAHWEH your GOD
This is why he’s the goat 🐐