Why BAD Champions are OP in LOW ELO! (NOT what you think)
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Please, note this and take it seriously: I will prove Fizz is a good champion and NO ONE know how to use him in more or less 3 months from now.
Also I love your videos, they help me. Thank you for the great job.
"This irelia has been easily shutdown"
* syndra and shako barely surviving with 1 hp *
Was thinking the same... like... thats the "easily" shut down irelia? I dont want to see the hardly or barely shut down irelia.
Wtf? Syndra was like 15% and Shaco was over 60%, because Syndra tanked Irelia there and Shaco didn't. So yes, it was a very easy gank overall, though it did depend on Syndra not messing up. It also helped that Irelia was already behind or she would have gone 1v1. I think it had still been ok though if the wave stayed frozen on Syndra's side. I get that you guys think Irelia is broken, but what happened there was nowhere near what you make it sound like.
@@Kamishi845 it was legit 1 aa for irelia and she had to flash xd easy
but if u think 40 hp are 15% ok then
If you can consistently kill irelia without anyone dying then it's a success
@@prt2383 not sure where 40 hp comes from the left panel says 146hp when Irelia dies, and by the time the portion of the exchange stopped she was at 72ish hp.
As for the OP comment on Shaco, they must think anything under full hp is 1hp because that was a gross exaggeration.
my problem with Irelia isn't losing to her in laning phase, my problem is her going 0 / 5 buying Bork and then dominating teamfights catching back up from kills
Funny thing is 0-5 Irelia can still almost 1 shot you with her combo. And what a 0-5 mage can do? Probably won’t even kill an adc KEKW.
@@maou842 I'm not defending irelia but I don't think mage is supposed to one shot, they use their utility to win teamfight for their team which is why a 0/5 mage would be more useful than a bruiser or assassin
@@davidnguyen2474 I would argue that the vast majority of bruisers have more utility than something like a Syndra. There are multiple subcategories for both classes but for mages i think most of them are still considered ap carries. Whether an artillery mage like Ziggs, a battle mage like Ryze or a Burst mage like Syndra, if any of them is 0/5 and have no real kill thread on anybody they are 100% less usefull than a 0/5 bruiser, who atleast have decent base stats to work with. It's not just theory, I can confirm this from experience it regularly in-game.
@@HardstyleFan995 disagree
@@HardstyleFan995 definitely agree
I think to play good against a champ, you need to play him yourself. You will understand the abilities better and it will all become an overall easier thing. You can catch these in free rotations i guess, none of these are in this one, but some annoying champs are here.
For example: I hated Yone matchups. Then I played him when he was in free rotation and understood what he does. Im never getting bullied by that champ ever again.
- Average draft pick enjoyer
What did you learn?
@@goldehammergaming Yone's range and cooldowns probably, as well as animations time (what I learnt myself)
Could not agree more. Playing a champ 1 time is more useful than playing against it 5 times.
Ive never played Yone but whenever i play against him he gets stomped like 0/8, hes just too easy to read (movements, R, etc. ), but i get your point
average improver mindset vs average redditor complainer mindset. I wonder which player will end up climbing higher lol
I don't have much trouble with Irelia on early levels, but level 5 and double long sword is already enough for her to only needing to tap W to get all casters on her Q range. Unless the lead I get on early levels is enormous, the more levels she gets scarier it becomes to walk up to the wave.
I find building anti-healing early helps, when i play yone i build executioners before anything and it helps with the laning phase a lot
when i pick first, i ban irelia (when mid). when i pick after the irelia, i go volibear and everytime she tries to go in i just burst her down and walk away with my shield. Sett also works.
"the jungler come to help and irelia get easily shutdown" while the syndra almost die 1v2 from irelia at full hp
Syndra misplayed by walking up to the wave getting in irelias range and missing her e.
I think irelia is ridiculous because of how much she snowballs not her laning phase lmao
the mid laner gives her 2 kills suddenly she's an unkillable raid boss who kills anyone just as well as if she was a 2 kill fizz
8:20 the difference is also taking bone platting as it's super effective against all in melee champ
Yep and very likely also took shieldbash, the Fizz went for many really bad trades into 6 minions, this has nothing to do with high elo viktor gameplay, but instead with fizz messing up hardcore.
Bone plating is especially good into Fizz because Fizz has no ranged damage pre 6. He can't trade lvl 1-5 if you have bone plating because it stops his entire electrocute combo and lets you harass him on the backend. Thing is tho its not consistent into melee assassin, since many have some way to cheat boneplating, like it does just about nothing into Talon, Zed, Katarina and Qiyana for example, but Ekko, Fizz, Akali and Pyke can't really play around it.
@@Dingdong2730 Katarina cant cheat boneplating unless you mess up, her Q bounce is predictable so you should never get hit by q unless shes in your face which depending on the lane state, one of you is trolling then.
As a fizz main i cant stress enough how much of a difference it does, to punish autos in early into him.
12:37 you didn't explicitly say it but anyone watching should notice that walking up like this level 1 vs irelia also messes up the first 3 minions dying around the same time if either one of you pull some aggro
Good eye
That GM Irelia misplayed hard. She was too indecisive during the second wave. She either could’ve all ined by buffering her e with q the minion. She instead chose to kill the minions back off and then decide to all in with q and e’d after so q wasn’t reset.
So you really dont see that going in at that close to the tower will likely to leave you taking 2-3 extra autos?
It's funny how the difference between low and high level mages was significant, meanwhile irelia and fizz stayed same or even worse.
Obviously they took a replay where the Mage win to prove their point. There are also winning Irelias out there in high elo
@@winnypoooo3546 Hmm, had to remember what this video was about, anyways, then what's the point of the video, you win lane as a mage against assassin if the latter ints?
@@davidkiknavelidze2130 Yeah. If they had shown a fizz playing passive for the first few levels, then this video would've been a lesson on how to be patient and win lane as a melee. Plus, even if you lose like 20 minions, It's still worth it if you manage to get a kill on you enemy and then crash the wave.
@@lucasmitchell9027 also some champs like talon will take the bullying and wait for the wave to crash on tower and the enemy to base (out of mana, too much gold, etc.) then take this chance to shove the wave and roam to get free kills botlane/top
@@lucasmitchell9027 You know nothing about matchups lmao
Dude i just lose lane at lvl 2 two times agaisnt a fizz just when this video was uploaded. Thank you so much it feels like he can all in me from level 2 till the end of the laning phase an i cant do anything
Irelia for me :)
Both for me :(
@@natdaone5075 No one for me :) ( after this vid KEKW )
I’m a Fizz player and I can tell you that baiting out his E is everything. It has an enormous mana cost especially when maxed first. It’s an extremely versatile ability but it’s were all his power budget is. Q is only for all-ins and W is just an auto attack. E is his only wave clear, his dodge, his main damaging tool, utility, a gap close, and his only escape tool. Most of mastering Fizz is good E management and most of shutting him down is punishing his E cooldown. Watch his mana and bait out E, then trade. Also watch out for level 16, his ult has a ridiculously low cooldown with the utility of a Thresh lantern and the damage to half health a squishy.
It's crazy that most people forget to bait it out. I play Fizz as well and if I'm playing against someone else using him I punish them as hard as possible so they they get behind
@@bboyekoswhen I see fizz I insta lock Diana
He jumps to you press w to shield then q and jump on him
As a Fizz player, most people at average elo (silver-gold) don't play around his cds. The counter to most assassins is playing around their cds and being smart, if they don't get fed they will struggler later.
Great content, could you please tell me what's the song that starys playing at 5:34 mark?
Ive watched three mins in by now, and well, fizz can walk through units and has a flat dmg reduction agianst basic attacks. So fizz is surprisingly resillient to both champion and minion attacks early on.
Thx for covering my weakness ☺️☺️ I'll now try and avoid to do these things on fizz
My brother and I are playing a Fizz and Zac duo to climb through low elo. Currently at an 82 percent win rate and just hut gold 3. We basically just printing lp.
Wake up babe, time for your summoner's lecture
I watched this video then my friend happened to play mid against irelia 10 mins later. I applied everything you said and coached him and he went 14/0 lol
I have a specific question about recalls after kills. Lets say I kill my opponent but I'm low, and on a fairly low waveclear champ, like say LB, and I know if I use my mobility to clear the wave there's a chance the enemy shaco appears behind me and kills me, but if I don't shove the wave I'll come back to a terrible wave state, but even if I try I'm not sure I can do it in time. Could you go over what to do when you don't think you can't get an ideal recall off a crash or freeze, or how to weigh the cost/benefit of working for a crash while you're in a vulnerable position?
i dont think there's a correct answer for that. honestly ik what you're talking about and one the one thing i count on is this. in case i use spells and the wave isn't pushed in time, meaning i have to stay to keep auto attacking enemy minions once the enemy mid laner spawns and comes to lane, do I have enought HP to survive his spell rotation or do i just die to his combo? if i die, i just recall, cause if i stay and die, its terrible wave state + even gold now since we both got 1 kill. if it doesn't kill I stay and auto the shit out of the wave. about the junglers, honestly its just a coin flip at that point
@@CrimsonYasha Yea, that's a good analysis. As far as the jg one thing I try and look for, besides if I see the enemy jg in another lane, is is there another play going on on the map that the enemy jg would have to choose between if he came to me - like is there a dive happening top, and if he kills me he couldn't counter that - so there is a choice he has to make besides me being totally free, that and when I do use my mobility (or for a mage my cc) so its the very last thing I do to the wave, not the first thing, so I hold it as long as possible. I'm also more likely to stay if the enemy jg is someone like graves, trundle, xin, who just has to walk at me, versus something like Zac, Shaco, fiddle, that can come out of nowhere right on top of you.
If I know where enemy jungle is OR my jungle helps me then I try to shove a wave, if not I just recall, because I play 1v2 or even 1v3 mid in 90% of my games.
To be completly correct: taking kill was probably a mistake on it's own. The correct approach is to either chunk enemy down enough they have to base, but not commiting to killing them for any prize, if they back, they lose famr and exp from shoved wave, trhey stay, you kill them under turret. Even if you die, you shoved a wave so you end up in advantage, both in gold and exp and with wave state after returning too. And even without killing them under turret, clear recall timing with a frezze potential after returning is better than scoring kill.
without watching it, my guess is Chmaps that are good at exploiting positioning mistakes, and just low elo mistakes in general. Then champs like Ekko, fizz etc. can just 1v9 the rest of the game waiting for other team to make more mistakes
Ekko ult however allows him to get out in case things go bad.
ekko can still 1v9 and turbo snowball if ahead bc he can’t get punished just like kayn
@@jfacum24 If Ekko's cc'd his ult isnt doing shit
@@Keurgui1 Nobody who is cc'd can do shit bro
@@jfacum24 ok so use it lol melee champs jump into you it should easy to pelt them with skillshots
What most players don't realise is that control mages and adcs are the hardest champions in the game to pilot cause they are glass cannons. If you overstep you are dead most of the time. I would advice you to stay away from syndra, viktor and ori rather than irelia.
Wich is a shame, they all fun to play and well designed, especially Viktor and Ori since yk, Syndra R kek.
My issue with going against Fizz is how shitty it feels when you get behind early. Like you can/should beat him early, but if you make one mistake, he can easily dominate you the rest of the laning phase... It doesnt make him a good champ; it just makes him annoying/stressful.
its sad that i have good laning phase versus any champ but im still hardstuck p4 cause my teammates dont react on any ss and fight all the time and feed my laner when he roam
What about if its melee vs fizz?
But what do you do when fizz hits 6?
i get fizz, but the thing on irelia is after lane if you mess up one time its lights out and unlike many assassins she can 1v5.
also i have won lanes vs irelia where i went 4 0 up, but as soon as she has blade you cant walk up ever
You have two items and a pool of health. Irelia have the tools to stop you from using your two items and with one item she have the tools to do away with your health pool. Funnily enough, if you build health and resistances, you still cannot beat her, because she have the tools to do away with your increased health pool despite you now having a chance to use a few skills.
This means the only way to win over her after she got her core item is to roam and help your support to end the laning phase and come help you. Or roam and get your toplaner ahead. After that your toplaner might be able to deal with Irelia and you might be able to deal with the underfed enemy toplaner.
This all depend on matchups of course.
I still think Irelia is too strong.
Best thing to do is to pick from the overpowered champs, not the champs you like. Sad.
I would like to see a similar video but for Kennen against Irelia as he does not have this much range/easy abilities to hit as Syndra in this example!
Play to not snowball. Survive lane and you become a nuke for the enemy team. You have energy so you have ability advantage. Run away with ms buff when she places e. Cs with q if you need to concede. Seekers into zhonya's to use for her ult if you feel she may be powerful.
Irelia is not a hard match up at all, you just wait for her to Kamikaze under your tower because she wants to outplay herself and be an anime ween all the time. Plus you can rush anti heal to counter her too. I'm guessing that people in low ELO are very robotic when it comes to itemization and often build their "main" item first without considering the match up. I've bitten irelia, zed, yasuo, yone, and even ADCs with both fizz and Galio and I'm confident to say that i rarely loose lane. a majority of my loses are because I've failed to impact the map properly, but aside from that i win laning phase using patience and good itemization.
Yeah as someone who is B4 most of us do build main items first, tho I feel like that's because we are still trying to get good at the champ itself so running a standard build w/ small mods later "seems" better.
This. I've literally won a 1v1 against a jarvan as Ashe jungle by building armor earlygame. It's sounds incredibly stupid, but you can literally statcheck your problems away by doing this.
The problem with fizz (and malz) is their ult. It enables an easy gank which puts you far behind. Everyone knows melee cant lane vs mages pre 6.
Bold of you to assume your low elo jungler will gank at a convenient time.
@@GoldenBoy.17 true
They dont need to have a jungler for that, they can just one shot you from full.
I looked at past my 20 games and 90% of those games you can predict the win by looking at whose bot won at 10mins. Its so frustrating, it really feels like no matter how you perform the lane its a roll of a dice.
woah, that's a first
i've heard top, jungle, mid, but never "bot"
more often than not, when bot gets ahead, it's bc of jg or the mid laner so graciously visited their lane
but at the end of the day, it is still a team game i suppose
Chances are you aren't impacting the map or your lane enough during the early game and its costing you. That and/or possibly not being able to keep up leads/ transition leads to actually win
@@themuffinprincesa21 yea i guess thats my biggest problem, converting my lead to the rest of the team. would be nice to see a video on that in the future
For the intro clips why does the Oriana just keep walking up to the 4stack irelia
Ezreal saying how much fizz sucks is so true
i Swear sometimes it feels like Assassins / Bruisers scale better when behind than Mages !
which should be completely the Opposite !!! ...
Compare a 0-5 irelia / zed / yone / yasuo / Akali , etc .. when they just get their 1st item ..
with a 0-5 typical Mage .. when they get their 1st item ..
League now it feels like as a Mage if U don't get ahead early vs an Assassin .. u'll get out-scaled !!!
really depends on a mage)
yeah but if you think about it all mages are either ranged or extremely burst heavy. it's a good balance and if you are fighting instead of farming then you deserve to lose with a mage. it's all about control
@@mtk1808 Not "Fighting" fighting , but lanning ! .. u don't wanna just stay under tower give all the pressure to them .. but they still feel like they have more presence than u
I never loose lane va fizz.....the problem is when he roam and i can't follow him because it's dark in the jungle....
Then you punish the roam by crashing the wave and taking plates; if you can't (bcz wave too big or idk what), it means fizz got himself a window of opportunity to freely roam, which is a good play by him, given that you are ahead.
He basically just outplayed you
@@alessandrozucchelli4090 the main problem with this strat is a double kill bot is worth more gold than 1-2 plates. In order for this to work you HAVE to set up good vision and warn your side laners to prevent them from dying to the roam.
@@Kniightisa that is just not true. Sure the gold advantage might be worth more depending on if he gets 1 or 2 kills, however tower plates create better gold income garuntee (he loses if he doesn't come back) plus you get more gold from the minions(15 cs= 1 kill) plus more xp, plus pressure on the lane to actually force him to have to show back into you when you're back so you can freeze or set up for a gank
Ye so what to do if you didnt manage to dodge fizz ult and got 80% slow and then knock up
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would want to see a yasuo yone version
0/2 Irelia
Skill Capped Challenger:
"this irelia has been easily shutdown"
but then they finish bork and still kill you in the side lane :)
And another question, what do you do against a GOOD fizz in a melee vs melee matchup?
a good fizz surely will not take stupid trades till he hits lvl 3.
It doesnt matter if I take a cheater recall he will just catch up after hitting lvl 6.
How many melee match ups are their in mid yasou destroys fizz early game same with pantheon. Yone may be at a disadvantage but he has really good gap close ability and should just stay back and farm till 6
@@CaNdYGiRl3501 Sylas, Yasuo, Akali, Kassadin, Yone, Zed, Talon, Katarina, Qiyana, Irelia, Ekko, Galio, Pyke are the ones I can think of so far.
Sylas can outtrade and steal ult, Yasuo is skill matchup, Akali you have to bait E, then hide in shroud, Kassadin you play like a regular Kassadin AND STAY THE FUCK BACK, Yone might be a challenge, but try and E-E his R, Zed can easily harass with Q and W, same for Talon with W, just don't count on lvl 2 kill, Katarina might be a challenge, Qiyana you gotta harass with Q and dodge everything you can dodge (so E and R) with your own abilities, Irelia you just W when he goes in, his ult is very predictable, Ekko is eh, Galio has magic shield advantage, and Pyke... well not like you gonna stay in lane anyways, but if Fizz uses E for anything than dodge your CC, he'll die easily
@@DevourerDragons and as a fizz main I've completely obliterated all those champs. the trick to win with fizz is to have a good laning phase. all those champs always want to fight, i just freeze a lane and bore them to death till they try to fight and get punished hard or they leave lane giving you opportunity to punish their rotation.
@@mtk1808 exactly thats my problem! I said a good fizz not the ones that dont know that they have a disadvantage early on. As soon as they hit lvl 3 and 6 its disgusting to trade with him! I main kata, akali,yas,azir mid . Yas fizz def isnt a skill matchup and katarina vs fizz is also a hard matchup for kat. I just have to give up a lot of cs or I die because I cant fight him. Akali may be one of the easier matchups because akalis kit is absolutely broken. My point ist if you are in a bad matchup against fizz its very hard to win lane or to go even out of lane without dying while managing to be even in CS which is quite hard to pull pf if the enemy fizz freezes as u said. And your jungle surely isnt always smart enough to help u break the freeze.
@@fargoklaro2585 just keep in mid that the games aren't won in laning phase. If you have a bad matchup try to mitigate your losses and find advantages out of laning phase.
the problem with irelia is that even when you make her 0/5 she will get a vamp scepter and a recurve bow and then 1v3 your botlane and jungler then come back to lane with a botrk and t2 boots then proceed to dive you effortlessy.
that's exactly the problem i have
@@alvarooverlay5405 what skillcapped doesn't seem to understand is that unlike high elo, where ppl know how to keep the disvantage of someone who's weak, on low elo they can just catch up with a gank or two and proceed to carry anyways
This. I was giga stomping an Irelia as Lulu mid and as soon as she got botrk she could just dive me non stop with no counterplay. Funny champ.
The fact that they also use Syndra, possibly the biggest lane bully in the game to showcase counterplay is incredibly dumb. Tf you're gonna do as a melee champ if she simply freezes the lane. Post first back she can jump on you from half a mile because for some reason she can oneshot casters with Q now.
@@manofthunderbolts6525 i mean, lulu mid isn't the best duelist in the game tho. And syndra is very hard to pull properly against irelia because one E miss or if used on the wrong time, ur dead, since it's her only defense. Annie is more reliable, for instance
@@mattheusspoo Yes, but when you're up 4 kills, full hp and she even misses cs or her e idk how that is balanced
I'd ban her if the Ahri matchup wasn't so difficult for me tho
That karma adc and aphelios sup at the start xd
Ikr
MangoFish (high LP in super server with Fizz) : Okey bye
yesterday a irelia with 2 less items and 3 lvl down run me down while missing her e and a second time missing her E and ult xD ... not sure bout that
Skillcapped: Fizz is OP in Diamond and below
Also skillcapped:
? They literally rate him A tier constantly
2:03 that's it? comon man, a good fizz will do a Q AA W to proc electrocute then E to drop the minion agro.
What do I do vs champions like Talon, Kayn and Fizz as an ADC? I’m not the one vs them. What do I do if they get fed and delete me with 2 abilities?
right click and delete their entire team, like every ADC does
When assassins one shot ppl with 2 abilities, that usually mean they four levels ahead of ADCs. An example of 2 abilities would be Fizz W + Q. He can just E in range then delete me from full HP with the point and click W + Q combo.
They did a video on assassins a while back for adcs
@@goldehammergaming The one against a fed Nocturne as Kai’Sa right? It has useful info but Noc at least still needs his ult to get to you even when he’s turbo fed. Fizz/Talon roams whenever (some of them give up cs just to make my life miserable). I can sit at my inhibitor turret until they show mid again but I’m losing a ton of xp and gold. I’m the ADC that gets perma camped no matter what (as in I can have a wave frozen at my side 24/7 and still have 4 ppl come for me all the time) so I can’t get any xp/gold unless I want to die
@@ezrealislife8694 yeah you just want to have them take tower tbh then go mid
Bold of you to assume my teammates are smart enough to come and help when I ping them.
Irrelia vs melee solutions ??
7:00 viktor lost the cannon, its an ff angle
The moment syndra pressed that q on the wave at 13:35 she cant just adapt and let irelia push into her. She doesnt have the agency on how Irelia behaves towards the wave, its just really bad by the Irelia to push this in a moment, where she could just enjoy a slow push into her, making sure she stays safe. If syndra dares hyrassing Irelia under Tower like in the first lower elo example she could potentially be ganked, dunno the enemy jungler and she threatens her self to be all inned by a lvl 2 Irelia this was not played right by the syndra, but missplayed by the irelia. Same thing with the fizz who many times decided to yolo trade into 6 minions and a Viktor with early game tankyness runes instead of the first one, who had first strike, which is a horrible rune for bullying.
Yes, finally someone mentioned this. The high elo plays do not actually show how to play better on mages, if anything it shows how broken these assassins are, that even by playing badly they get to masters... I am not saying, that these irelia and fizz play the same every game, but these types of videos always focus on mages, yet never actually analyze what is the opponent doing, like when low elo viktor traded with fizz at the start they rightfully said, that this was a mistake and he should not have played that way, but when high elo fizz went into viktor and facetanked whole minion wave he was apparently just "tired of being zoned".
@@davidkiknavelidze2130 the difference was in the lane state. If Viktor has a slow push going early vs just level 1 brawling. Achieving the slow push is easy to do with harassment but you don't want the extended trade until you have that push going
I had this other champ yesterday... Enemy 0/4and 4 levels behind (me 11 they 7). Somehow that dude left the lane and came back same level with 5 kills.... How
i remember when fizz had challenger players saying fizz top was completely unbeatable back in like 2015 or 16
For these exact reasons I get a lead on fizz nearly every game. No one punishes for hitting wave. At lvl 1 I’ll wait to level an ability, if they actually pressure me I start E to get the first 3 minions with. If they don’t pressure I know I can go W for free
But...... What if i play meelee champs against fizz and irelia
Then wave management like what was mentioned in the video. Get wave leads, wait for CD timers, and respect their burst if you try to over step
thanks, I will play Irellia next time
Yamato is challenge euw and still says fizz is broke, can build tank items has untargetability and is a solid roamer/ teamfighter
I played this match up as the syndra vs Irelia recently. I did what I'm supposed to, chunking her low and killing her early. But irelias one of those champions that can beat you once they get a few levels and basic components. At about level 7 or so she just killed me from 0 stacks in the middle of the lane when the minions met in the middle. I had exhaust and stun, but she still wins even if you have a lead. Still won tho, I've found irelia just becomes very useless in team fights since she's all single target dps.
Pretty correct, I’m a dirty Irel main, a lot of people don’t realise what you said
They spend a bunch of the early game trying to win the 1v1 or not respecting her strength, and I win so many games off that alone
When I vs opponents who space and respect it, it makes it very hard to snowball a game, cause you need to be strong to survive in team fights
Irelia is indeed really strong in 1v1, but when ur skill gets higher she actually can do better in 1v2 or even 1v3 because she can heal off of unsteady stacks. My first time playing her, i went on not im getting 3 man ganked but cant run lemme see if i can kill em. I did
The problem with Irelia is she can rebound after losing lane and kill your team. She’s pretty good at farming too. That’s why I love playing her.
Now show me how to counter AP Kai Sa in ARAM
gigachad viktor going determination secondary
Ok, now what if I also play a melee champ like Talon?
anyone else notice the Karma bot Aphelios Support? I'd say it was an accident, but the Jihn and Pyke on the other side are correct, and given this is a video about low elo, they wouldnt have picked to swap.
Could be a duo queue bot
In my last 50-60 games on mid i got Fizz 1 time and Akali at least 6 times. Still useful guide tho.
Master Fizz
First of all good fizz players never walk up for minions at lvl 1 and 2, we farm the first and 2nd wave with e and don't mind getting pushed in
When hitting lvl 3 we also look for trades, knowing that we will be beaten in the trade, that's why we take corrupting potion...
The thing with fizz is if we get you under 25% health your dead because of our burst combo (even if your under tower) try dodging a w e flash q aa combo that takes 0.00001 seconds for us to do
The key to playing fizz well is patience.
The key to beating a fizz is banning him
Because even if you beat him in lane he will invade your jungler constantly and gank botlane constantly and get kills after 6. A good jungler will know fizz with get pushed under tower and will know it's a easy kill if he ganks because the enemy mid laner always over extends to poke you under tower
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This video made me main viktor.
He's busted but people are just bad with him. He has one of the best level 1 against melees and that includes assassins 😊
I think the viktor was too scared to harass fizz because he probably thought the e cd was shorter
I played irelia for one of my first times a few days ago and I went 2/6 in lane but by the end of the game I was 15/9…
why dose irelia have around 58% win rate in challenger why dose fizz have around 55% rate in challenger???They should be unplayable in high elo shouldnt they???
@twistdevii salufer :)
bcs one tricks can make them work ?
@@vladislavjovic7235 i don't understand this smile
Day 1 patch stats are shit
Check last patch for a more accurate read
@@petitpois22 u don't have to
Meanwhile my last ranked game our mid went Diana and let Fizz go 5/0 in
It was actually exactly what I thought...
Neeko is an insane counter to Irelia, just play Neeko into her
Like all the comments are saying , u always Share tips and videos of the 1st 5 levels of the lane .. that's not the problem at all !
like people said , those type of champs are scary even when behind once they get some levels and an item "Which is completely insane cause they'r suppose to get ahead early or be useless"
but it feels like they scale better than Mages !!! .
u can beat Yone in lane but once he get T2 boots or even Mythic .. Good luck then !
same goes with Irelia / Zed , etc .. yes u get SOME lead in early 5 levels .. but they Back and get back with full Hp and some items and now they'r Level 6 .. u can't Harras freely anymore , and u'r lead isn't big enough anymore when they have an item or so .
if they snowball late you either didnt shut them down hard enough, or you let them catch you out late.
Youre just letting an assassin pick you off, with no punishment
I hated illaoi so much I learned to play her. Once I started playing her I kinda realized why people say she's bad. Her power is all in whether or not people know what she does
If you were killed solo by Illaoi and you think that your jungler can help you kill her back - you will probably give her two more kills))
@@putin2012 very true
the problem with irelia is that even if you have 2 items if she has bork than she 1v1s every meele champ 100%of the time
If a syndra died to a irliea in my game pre 6 I’d call gg.
for me irelia and katarina are the most frustrating... because if they decide you just fuckin die, and even if they int and you win lane they go bot get a kill and now they are just as powerful as a 10/0 Annie
All I'm going to add to the Irelia debate going in chat is that that's the champion one of the most skilled toplaners in EUW (Drututt) has been permabaning for almost years, even when he plays champs that can in theory go even against her.
What would Mangofish say about that :D?
The fact that low elo team fight also very good for assassin that don't know about match up. they all think that 2 vs 1 mean 2 will win without the need to dodge the skill, or worst, can't dodge the skill. Also the situation that going alone and got killed letting enemy to catch up. The lanning phase is just a small part of why those 2 is good in low elos.
How about this. I am top lane. I pick Urgot or Singed and they come back at me with Ashe or Vayne. Like WTF
2:45 literally not a single minion hit viktor
Yes they did, notice how Fizz dodged Viktors autoattack by using e. Then Viktor autoattacks Fizz and all 3 ranged creeps + 1 melee attacked him, one melee already died and the other got creepblocked and lost aggro quickly
Idk why you always promote zed, fizz, irelia, talon, ekko and such as being hard to beat. I'd prefer a video on akali or yone, those two are the only to that really feel impossible to beat if the player on the other side isn't absolute garbage.
We dont talk about yone, no no no no
I crush fizzes in gold till he walks bot ( while giving up mid tower and plates) and collects free doubles over and over again from overextended blind bot lane :(
I'm gonna sound like one of those guys but I can make Fizz work even with Champs that counter him
I think the biggest problem with league guides is that they tell you what to do, NOT how to do them.
When I was learning back then, I never even came across any guides on fundamentals. They'd teach you how to play or how to practice last hits or about towers and champion roles/sub roles, but not fundamentals like creep wave management and all the micros/macros.
Because those things arent important until you get a higher rank. Sure wave management alone will get you to plat, but when youre in plat you will just get bullied because you dont understand recall timings, champion damage, objectives, etc.
But against melee?
I have played on every lane, frikin Urf and one for all, I ONLY BAN FIZZ.
The thing with irelia is that shes got a none existent skill cap/ceiling
Is this the ezreal voice actor??
I hate Fizz's passive so much 😭
Damn that is insane lol
So funny thing, I used this exact strategy as Zoe vs Fizz and kinda stomped him. I was 2/0 against him, and then once he hit 6, even with only a component item, he just ulted from wave, flash ignite and full comboed me under tower and I just died before I even got back down from the knockup.
so your telling me he used both summoner spells and his ult just to kill you? All thats nots worth one kill
@@mr.pierat4118 Depends on the follow up, was he able to then crash a big wave, recall for an item, and come back to a freeze? Or was he able to follow that with a prio that gets rift, drake, or back up a jg invade? Or was he so low that the wave is terrible when he gets back? A kills context is important.
how can a fizz ever full combo you as zoe? You should normally be guaranteed to dodge his E with your R, and if you werer still 5 then of course he will oneshot you when he is 6
zero chance you got 100-0 under tower level 6 lmfao
@@nickeastmusic9930 Fizz E animation is faster than the windup for Zoe R, and he can hold it longer than Zoe is portaling. It's possible to win the mind game as Zoe, but statistically speaking, Fizz is going to win that standoff most of the time. Also Zoe can't press R while knocked up by Fizz shark, it's kind of a knockup, and unlike Yone, portaling back with "good timing" doesnt cleanse the knockup.
is it me or its the ezreal voiceover ?
watching this video and i get fizz in my next matchup lmao tal about timing
I did... better. Still lost lane but didn't feed. only died once. We ended up winning though being carried by a fed garen and caitlyn.
As an irelia player I don’t have a problem with her. I honestly find it pretty easy to play into Irelia during laning, side laning, and usually team fights. I find her pretty easy to shut down and make her feel useless
I feel like this video gets made 3 times every year.
2:50 takes a ton of minon damage" *watches health bar go down by less than a milometer*... what?
Street fight
Qiyana is another one of those
She just dashes in and ults and in 9 out of 10 cases you are dead