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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
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Finally back making videos guys, I was away for some family obligations as I'm sure many of you are aware its Canadian Thanks Giving so I just wanted to say a big thank you to all of you for supporting the channel and helping to keep it plugging along. Much Love.
Hope you had a happy turkey day, I didn't get much flying in this past weekend either due to turkey day commitments. BTW, I'm an ESL canuck and German was my first language, "Pfalz" rhymes with "cults". I've forgotten most of the German that I knew, but I think I'm still pretty good at pronunciation (a hell of a lot better than I am at flying).
@justsomeguyhere Kinda. It's there so you don't have to lean over to see across one of the guns.
6:55 What about "those that burn and those that jump" GS? Not a big deal but just curious what you were going to say before your wingman distracted you! lol Thanks :)
I remember a WWII pilot talking about how he swore he'd never burn. His aircraft took damage and some oil lines broke and started a fire in the cockpit. The canopy jammed partly open trapping him inside so he made up his mind to crash into a near by AA mount as to burn. To his amazing luck, when he rolled over and started to dive it created enough of a low pressure area that it sucked the fire from the cockpit and he was able to barely pull up buzzing the hell out of the bewildered men manning the AA mount.
Wasn’t that a movie?
The ability to put out some fires with dives is simulated in this sim. Also, if you shoot a pistol within the cockpit it can damage the player (which some pilots apparently used as a way out historically). War is not nice.
That was Robert Johnson flying a P47.
He also once took a 20mm round in the engine, and his P47 still made it home, where he found 2 cylinders blown off, the pistons hanging out in the air.
@@mickaleneduczech8373 WOW! What a legend!
@@mickaleneduczech8373 Those fuckin' P47's man- Old but tough as hell, there's more than one reason the A-10 is named after it.
British ace Mick Mannock is quoted as saying, “The other fellows all laugh at me for carrying a revolver. They think I’m going to shoot down a machine with it, but they’re wrong. The reason I bought it was to finish myself off at the first sign of flames.”
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@@michalbelko5676 WW1 war fighters (especially pilots) became very fatalistic. The longer they lived, the more friends they saw died. Eventually most came to believe it was just a matter of time until their luck ran out. Mannock’s ran out on 26th July 1918, when he was hit by flak. Mannock’s plane immediately caught fire. After the crash his body was found 250yds from the wreckage. He hadn’t shot himself and it’s believed he jumped just before it crashed.
If there’s ever been a cure for tendencies to idolise war then the WW1 battlefields, graveyards, and their soldiers’, sailors’, and airmens’ private papers and letters is definitely it.
@@sam1812seal yep...
Archelaus H man that was heartwarming (obv not that’s super sad)
Mannock was among the most decorated men in the British Armed Forces. He was honoured with the Military Cross twice, was one of the rare three-time recipients of the Distinguished Service Order, and was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross
Now you are flying a German aircraft, that Beagle flying his doghouse will certainly be on the look out for you Growling.
if I remember said beagle always got his doghouse shot to shit and crash landed
Nice pull!!!! Well done!
Snoopy: "Curse you Red Baron! And Growling Sidewinder too!"
Biggles not beagles.
Ba. Ha ba ka
The almost German Ace, Growliung Sidewinderkreegs was killed in action today after almost becoming an Ace. The Red Barron was sadden by his lose, as he considered him the one only a few that knew how to fly a bi plane.
The damage model of the ww1 stuff is pretty sweet.
Also love it when a content creator takes suggestions from the community and makes it happen, kudos
You gotta check out rise of flight, the damage models in that sim are actually incredible, you can shoot out a wing strut and watch the fabric wing flap around
@@-Zevin- ah I didn't know that. The flight models for these biplanes do seem a little bit worse though. In rise of flight, when you crash, the plane collapses into a heap because it's still held together by wires and fabric, but in this video the planes separate into chunks that roll around rigidly
@@eliasprice7553 These biplanes (in Flying Circus) shares it's damage model with ww2 aircraft so maybe that's why
@@bannerhorde6506 certainly makes sense
@@eliasprice7553 Rise of Flight has horrible damage model, wings get huge chunks torn out and fold with just 2 or 3 hits.
They'll flesh out the high-speed crash model for this soon enough, like you said should just be a heap of wood, metal, canvas and unfortunate airmen.
Hey GS, if you ever get the chance to go to the National Air and Space museum in Ohio, take it. There's a whole hanger of these aircraft there. Among other things, like an F-22.
I will keep that in mind, sounds like I'd have a great time there.
@@GrowlingSidewinder you could do a vlog style video
@@GrowlingSidewinder dude if you go maybe you can see the real f22 cockpit remember the f22 cockpit is classified
The National Museum of Air Force in Dayton is a great place to visit. One funny thing - they have US Air Force planes, British planes, French planes, German planes, Canadian planes, Japanese planes, Italian planes, even Soviet planes. What don't they have? US Navy planes. Can't have any of that in an Air Force place!
I was there just last week. It's a awesome museum, its almost a 2 day trip, there's so much to see. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Cold War, Desert storm, to present day.
I liked this vid.
You never know which bullet has your name on it. As a veteran, I can understand that.
"You're usually surprised by what kills you." --C.J. Cherryh, Rimrunners
Many early planes of this era didn’t have a throttle per say. They used a “blip” switch to turn the magneto on/off to control the engine. And the torque of a radial engine spinning on a static mounted crankshaft made planes like the camel very unstable, which also made them very maneuverable yet dangerous for an inexperienced pilot. Nice vid, thanks for sharing!
After this, a sort of throttle was developed for planes where they (if I remember correctly) would only use a few of the cylinders
I'm going to visit Ole Rhinebeck Aerodrome tomorrow. This video certainly make me pause as to how precarious a WW1 pilots life may be so sobering
That was the most immersive feeling video you've put out so far. Wow, WWI dogfighting is very close up and personal .
WW1 pilots were crazy. I remember reading somewhere that the average life expectancy of a British WW1 pilot in combat missions was less than 20 hours. Yet they had people volunteering for the service as the pilots were glorified back then and in fact even now.
This is the SADEST episode of GS. 😥
Your choice of background music is epic! Really adds to the overall feel of the video. The hope, the humanity, and ultimately the sacrifice. Very well done 👍
Canadian Ww1 ace, William Barker, shot down 50 aircraft, and on 1 of his missions, he faught against 15 enemy planes, shooting down 4, while being severly injured by enemy fire. He was able to lamd safely and won the Victoria Cross
I believe to this day that the WW1 pilots had the most moxy when it came to dog fighting and knowing the possibility of their outcome. Dudes were straight pioneers and warriors!
It's the same kind of fighting spirit that was encouraged in the cavalry. Infantry soldiers (back then) had the benefit of always knowing that they would be fighting with the full support of their army. Cavalry soldiers were cut from a different cloth, as they often would be thrown into battle far away from friendly lines, on their own, and surrounded by enemies, with only their own skill, bravery, and force of arms to see them through not only to victory, but simple survival. It's no wonder that so much of that character carried on into the air corps of the Great War.
I'll wait for the day that GS is gonna become the Red Baron....
The Pfalz D III probably had almost as good of a dive speed as the SPAD VII and slightly inferior of the SE-5a and SPAD XIII. In fact a lot of Pfalz III's was used up to the armistice for ballon busting due to that. A lot of Bavarian and Saxon staffel had them again until the end of the war as a front line single seater scout, yes there was no fighter designation that didn't come into being until the mid 1920's. Of course I do WWI re eneactment with the GWA/ Great War Association.
Really makes me miss playing Red Baron when I was growing up. Love the WWI stuff.
I loved that game, too! Got me fascinated with military aviation history and absolutely obsessed with Manfred von Richthofen.
From what I understand, WWI pilots weren't allowed to wear parachutes in the belief that pilots would bail out rather than fight and their commanders were having none of that.
That's the same kind of dumb reasoning that made armies hold out against repeating rifles because it would "encourage the men to waste ammunition and not take the time to properly aim".
@@Maria_Erias the first units issued repeating/breach loading rifles (Henry and Sharps) would just decimate units they faced with muzzleloaders. Their rate of fire and effecting range were massively superior. Lincoln himself was trying to get more advanced weapons on the battle field but it was his General staff that were resistant.
@@brianwright9514 Yeah. Ironically, repeating rifles (especially Sharps, if I remember right) saw service with a number of Confederate units during the beginning of the war, since Confederate soldiers were equipped by the local estate owners, town councils, etc, and so in more than a few cases that meant that soldiers got relatively state-of-the-art weaponry.
About parachutes - I read somewhere a long time ago that the early parachutes were really big and bulky stuff. Taking up as much volume as a second crew member. A parachute back then was not something you wore like a vest or something, it was a large thingy stuffed into the airframe behind the pilot, and if he was lucky he would be able to pull that thingy clear from the burning aircraft if he had to jump. So the reason the fighter pilots weren't issued parachutes for most of WW1 was mostly about the aircraft being so tiny, and the parachutes being so big and heavy. And expensive, more expensive than a fighter pilot. And it would probably motivate the pilot to keep fighting, if he didn't have a parachute. So there was really no reason to give the fighter pilots parachutes.
Nice to see a pilot using some chivalry by not letting that one fellow burn to death. Good show bud!
"We are sportsman, not butchers." Manfred Von Richtofen
Both times thus far you got caught by multiple enemies you couldn't keep tabs on - your flying and shooting are superb - wasn't it Richtofen who prefered the boom and zoom approach over getting into close dogfighting? He was killed when he broke his own rule.
If you ever read "Sagittarius Rising" you'll find that Cecil Lewis, on more than one occasion, managed to land his burning aeroplane.
Seems like an accurate depiction of how WW1 dog fighting was like in the sense that the moment you got good and knew what you were doing is the moment you let your guard down and take a stray shot ending it all.
Pfalz D III and IIIa were used in combat till the end. The Dr. designation was for triplanes such as the Fokker.
One reason for no parachutes was the weight penalty and loss of performance.
It wasn't only about stopping aircrews from suffering a "lack of moral fibre"
You were showing the emotional side of world war I pilots 🥲😔
This dogfights are so gruesome, it's so scary thinking about going defensive in one of those planes and fall into the ground...
I read somewhere that an RFC pilot heard rounds zipping past his head on a mission but he didn't look to see where they were coming from he just pitched into a dive instinctively
I wish I could remember who it was
The great irony is that the plane that kills him is the one that he was going to chase until he decided on the ‘easier’ kill directly underneath.
This video really made me realize how personal and brutal air combat was in WWI.
Not only was that an exceptional flight sim experience for you, it was also one of the best ww1 flight sim videos I've seen.
I've never played games like this but being interested in WWI aviation, and watching this makes me want to give this a go.
...and so ended the life and times of renowned Flight Officer Gerhard "Bubi" Sidewinder. Witnesses report seeing him fall late in the day after a prolonged series of engagements.
Crash scene reports indicate he was killed instantly by a marauding Allied fighter that had been stalking him. There will be a memorial service held in due course and he is being considered for a posthumous Blue Max.
This death so captured the unexpected turn of events in a one second lapse of awareness. I never would have made it as a WWI pilot. Famous last words: "'Cause he can out dive me and out climb me. Whoa, whoa, whoa......" So can his friend.
Nice! This what I love about WWI and WW2 dogfighting its personal and allot more maneuvering. Il2 box and this.
I never really thought about how brutal ww1 dogfights were. Jesus
The British Brass thought parachutes would have an "adverse effect on the offensive spirit".
ww1 pilots were lucky to live for 2 weeks from joining the squadron
Another cracking video. Thank you for putting these together for those of us who can only admire your skill and professionalism. I'm still very new to flight sim and the learning curve is steep.👍
That plane on fire part really put into perspective
"Pfalz *D* III". "Dr" would denote a triplane.
It's quite simple, really - at least until late 1918 when the system was changed:
"E" = "Eindecker" (monoplane, like the Fokker E.III) - "eins" or "ein" meaning "one" in German
"D" = Doppeldecker (biplane, like the Pfalz D.III) - "doppel" meaning "dual" or "double"
"Dr" = Dreidecker (triplane, like the Fokker Dr.I) - "drei" meaning "three".
Can't help but wonder how many WW1 pilots' last words were something like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa - "
That sir is why having tunnel vision is deadly. Always watch your 6
"You're lucky if the bullet hits you before you hit the ground"
In the business we like to call this foreshadowing.
I really enjoyed this video! Please do more exactly like this.
quick tip for when you slot in on someone and aren't taking snapshots: use one of your machine gun's sights to aim for centre mass. Its especially helpful when engaging bomber/spotter formations
Remember that WW2 American that witnessed his Luftwaffe Opponent bail at ground level..... cartwheel and bounce off the ground and finally smashing into a Barn. Ug.
So in WW1 you’d be called Growler only! Interesting! 😄🤙cool video!
The end of the video was pretty rough. But realistic. One second unaware and you have only the time to think "Scheiße!!!" (shit) and its over. Caught me on the wrong feet, i must admit. Shocking. It shocks me everytime when i play a WW1 flight simulation an get "killed" out of nowhere.
Absolutely brutal. Loving this.
I’d like to see “Two Idiots duel with Biplanes” :)
Are there ground attack missions where you drop grenades or spikes on infantry in trenches?
you consistently shoot half a second late in pretty much all your clips. Still you have a good kill rate, and I'm enjoying your videos
Yes, German aircraft aircrews had parachutes starting in March 1918…..now, the observation balloon crews had them on both sides….the allied British, French American, Italian generals wouldn’t allow the crews to be issued parachutes because they thought the pilots would be scared and jump out of their planes in order to save their own necks to avoid a fight…..
I'm really enjoying your WWI content.
All these Great War vids are in good timing with Remembrance Day comming up eh
Lovin' the WWI and WWII action.
Fun fact : French pilots didn't have parachutes at first because their commanders feared it would make them "coward" and wanting to bail out at first opportunity.
Then they understood it was slightly disavantageous to lose your best pilots, so they started handing parachutes in the last months of the war.
Great vid, perfect music and editing. As usual, your hard work shows. Thank you.
Loving your WW2 (Channel and Pacific) and WW1 content.
I'm crying here...
The two problem with early parachutes was one, they were static line so the had to be attached to an anchor point to deploy hence ballon crews were issued but pilots were not, and secondly the early "ripcord' parachutes were too heavy and bulky and reduced pilot mobility and reduced aircraft performance. Quote from early RFC accident report " the aircraft crashed because the pilot attempted a level turn...a banned manouver in this aircraft" 😱!!!!
Only got 5 kills, becoming an Ace in a single mission, soon to be killed in action.
Hey Sidewinder, don't forget to check si ...
Just think, in real life you might have heard the burning guy screaming over the roar of the engine and the wind.
Doubt that with the wind, but I have read of them coming home with the enemies blood on their aircraft. The dogfights were incredibly close.
One account I read came from a French one. He recalled the worst moment in his career where one of his college down a German aircraft only to get his head cut off by a broken wing from said German aircraft. After he died, his plane would then crash into another German plane chasing him. A horrific triple deaths. Some of his college blood got on to his face and into his mouth.
'to our gallant and worthy foe'
Amazing video, and I could listen to that music for hours.
Reailty bites. What a poignant ending.
When you die, you die.
Eerie but a truly great ending.
You might like the visibility of the plane you flew here in a simulation game but your choice might be different in real life. The great visibility comes at the cost of the radiator being right in your face on the upper wing.. One hit to the rad and your getting sprayed in the face by boiling hot coolant and good luck with that visibility edge while trying to tuck your head inside to avoid getting it melted off. You're kinda flying inside of a reverse A-10.
At least ur wings didn't come off till impact lol
Thanks for the kite's in flight.
How these young pilots weren't constantly scream-barfing in sheer horror at what was happening around them is beyond me. My fighter would have had a constant contrail of vomit and obscenities just streaming out behind it, making my (obviously a one-seater) plane a very easy target.
Love the WW1 stuff man. Def my fav era of aviation
Those Pfalz guns do work. They really be sawing them wings up
I've read that they did have parachutes early on but most pilots didn't like them because they took up too much room in the tiny cockpits. When some units were forced to take them most pilots simply they sat on the chutes.
Does that make sense to you tho lol, if they gave you the offer of surviving if ur plane was shot down would u trade it in for a little more room ?
Sitting on them makes more sense tho
These WW1 videos are amazing
All sides declined to issue parachutes since "a pilot's job is to stick with his plane." Easy to say from a desk, not as easy 8,000 feet up in a burning plane.
Always check your six.
Just awesome to watch, loving the WW1 content, just so raw and exciting 👍
It’s a DIII, not a DrIII. There was a Pfalz DrIII - it was an experimental triplane.
allied pilots were not given parachutes as the commanders feared they would bail as so as they where attacked ps most pilots carried a revolver as that was used to shoot themselves instead of suffering being burned alive
GS discovers the horror of war, 1916, colorized.
How's the ammo count dealt with? They just used repurposed infantry machine guns didn't they? Given how many rounds it takes to down another aircraft I always wondered if it was always an issue.
Aircraft machine guns were actually heavily modified. Most infantry machine guns (whether WW1, 2, or otherwise) typically fire around 400-600 (with the Nazi "burp gun", the MG34, firing a devastating 1200) rounds per minute. Aircraft machine guns are stripped down and modified to fire between 1500-2000 rounds per minute because a pilot's time on target is usually fractions of a second, so they want to put as many rounds into the air as possible in that brief window.
@@Maria_Erias any idea how much trigger time they had? Current jets have something like 4 seconds of consecutive gun fire, but that's a lot of damage in that 4 seconds. Even having ~20 seconds of gunfire in these planes seems like it would go dry very quickly given how the mostly fabric body just brushes them off.
@@blackrat1228 I know that in WW2, ammunition for .50cal came in 9-yard belts, which is where the phrase "the whole nine yards" comes from, meaning that a pilot dumped all their ammunition at their target to get it. They went "the whole nine yards".
The website Stallion 51 says that P-51 Mustangs carried 400 rounds in their inboard and 270 rounds in their outboard Browning .50s, so assuming those outboard Brownings were 9 yards, that'd be 27 feet, or 10 rounds per foot, which makes sense given the width of the shell casing plus the links.
Aircraft M2s fired between 1200-1300 rounds per minute. Which means that 270 rounds, "the whole nine yards", would give you about 15 seconds of sustained fire for the outboard M2s, and 20 seconds of sustained fire for the inboard M2s, at 270 and 400 rounds respectively.
@@Maria_Erias couple bits of mythbusting. As cool as the idea that "the whole 9 yards" came from ammo belts is, it actually predates ammo belts, and most likely came from textiles, which often came in bolts of fabric 9 yards long
Also, I think you're confusing the AN/M2 with the AN/M3. The AN/M2 (the primary gun used by the P-51, P-47, and basically every other US fighter during WW2) was certainly modified from a standard M2 Browning, but they didn't fire nearly that fast, more like 700-800 rpm. The AN/M3 introduced right at the end of the war was the one that jumped the fire rate up to 1200 rpm, and it was used on post-war planes
Each gun in a camel had a 200 round belt. It was plenty. They talked about using 5 rounds per gun to kill sometimes sometimes.
Another great quote is: "There are only two types of aircraft: fighters... and targets."
It's a wonder those pilots were able to take off at all, weighed down as they were by their massive brass ones.
I've often said the same thing about the astronauts of Apollo 11!
"Yeah, we're going to load you guys into a capsule on top of the largest rocket ever made and then fire you at the moon using calculations we did on a chalk board."
Literally, strapped a rocket under their ass and were shot at a whole new world.
I'm surprised they didn't wind up missing their mark and going into orbit around the solid brass balls they had.
Yeah these guys had balls.
Now we know he is no Red Baron!
The ending was epic!
Is this Rise of Flight?
The D7 and Albatross are my fav’s 🇩🇪👍
Its IL-2
Awesome vid GS
I bet the french pilot on 4:35 said: "S'il te plaît... mets fin à ma souffrance... c'est comme l'enfer ici..." (Please... end my suffering... it feels like hell in here...) [I'm not french]
from the fastest aircraft (SR71) to the slowest :D
I bought IL 2 after watching your last one
That guy did you a favor... lol
Great video 👍👍👍👍👍
Aim for the man, not the machine.
That extra fire power from the dual MG08's though. Easier to clip something important off.
Impressive; yeah, the WWI stuff it's really scary.