A Gentleman's Dogfight | Sopwith Camel Vs Fokker Dr.1 | WORLD WAR I | IL-2 Sturmovik |
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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you prefer more up close and personal dogfights consider the IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battle series and experience intense WWII aerial combat over famous battlefields such as Stalingrad, Moscow, Rhineland and Normandy. Fight in and against Russian, American, German, British warbirds such as the P-51 Mustang, P-47 Thunderbolt, Bf-109, FW-190, Spitfire, Hurricane and rugged IL-2 Sturmovik attack plane. You can also fly legendary SPADS, Fokkers and Camels in WWI dogfights over the trenches of WWI and discover your inner Red Baron! And all of this can be experienced in jaw dropping virtual reality!
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Big thank you to The Doc for flying the Dr.1 for us, I'm loving the World War 1 dogfights and the "gentlemen-like" nature of them. Hope you guys enjoyed and thank you for watching.
great vid i always love when the opponent surrenders/leaves to land or eject
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Between your winter season BFM videos and Demo Matt uploading every day until Christmas, it is bringing a bright spot to end of another rough year for us all. Thank you Growling, from the bottom of my heart, you are one of the great ones!
Jut fantastic, great flying by Doc. Thank You
More of this please.
F22 vs j20 BVR
Fun fact that small strut mounted propeller you see every time he looks to the right is an air driven pump to pressurize the fuel tank to ensure the engine wasn't fuel starved.
So I assume they had to prime the engine real good.
That's interesting.
And then comes the Spit mk.1 and derps out in negative G
That's actually really cool! I always thought it was a speedometer of sorts!
Thanks for this, I’ve always wondered why they were there
Love these WW1 dogfights - thanks GS. My Great Grandfather flew a Sopwith, was shot down over the sea, and survived by clinging to the sheared wooden propeller, until the Royal Navy fished him out a couple of hours later. My family still have the propeller mounted, with a plaque, on the wall. He started out in the RNAS (pre-RAF) as an officer on the early flying boats (seaplanes)- was also shot down over sea and mentioned in dispatches for rescuing other crew members from the resultant burning fuel slick, as they were repeatedly strafed in the water by 2 or 3 Fokkers (unfortunately 2 of the crew were killed). BTW, he survived the Great War - I remember going to his memorial service in the early 80s, when I was a kid.
Great share!
@@Curtislow2 Thanks mate! My other Great Grandfather was a commander in the first ever tank battle in WW1. His photos were amazing (including picnics behind the lines and skinny dipping in a canal with Belgian nurses!). There were haunting photos of burnt out tanks of his in No Mans Land, but my favourite has to be a rank of his tanks, flawlessly parked in a line on the cobbles outside the cathedral in Cologne after Armistice. There was a lot more going on in WW1 than the cliches of films. Have a great and healthy Christmas break.
That’s pretty epic.
Dude that's very cool
@@nickharvey7233 Great stories thanks for sharing. Are those photos available to see anywhere on only in your private collection? They sound fascinating.
I don't know how well modelled these aircraft are, but the Camel was known for its extraordinary ability to flick turn to the right, due to engine torque. A lot of new pilots died trying to make simple turns until they learnt the inherently very unstable aircraft.
I was a glider pilot in real life when I was flying in this game (rise of flight). When I bought the camel I started my first flight at 2 km altitude. I just fell down all the way to the ground, from one spin into another. It's a really crazy plane to fly.
that’s right, it’s due to the rotary engine
It was faster to turn 270 degrees to the right then it was 90 to the left.
Yes, that weakness should apply equally to both the Fokker and the Camel.
Centrifugal forces off the charts
These WWI fights are so compelling. It’s like watching armed kites trying to kill each other!
I agree... Great screen name BTW.
Did I see a vapor trail coming off of a wing tip during a turn? What next? vapor trails coming off of the wings while pulling Gs?
Who was flying the DR.1??? that was absolutely crazy airmanship!
Wholeheartedly agree. Great fight from both.
The Doc. Go to 0:29 and look in the top left corner of the video.
@@lazuvt9456 Thank you! I missed that
@@paulwalker6635 I gotchu bro. Also, if you're driving a Porsche, please don't go fast.
@@lazuvt9456 Most Paul Walkers like to go fast man, it is a trait of carrying the name :p
The WW1 dogfights are an order of magnitude more compelling than the (generally pre-determined) modern jet dogfights.
The Dr.1 is showing some cool hammer head stall attacks. Also, snap rolls as a defensive maneuver. Throw the stick all the way right while stomping on the right rudder and it will really roll fast. It’s like a spin in a horizontal direction.
In the WWI era, aero engineers thought putting the center of gravity and the center of gravity at the same place was a good thing. This made the aircraft maneuverable but on the verge of departing control in pitch direction. Particularly the Camel. That made it a real handful, exhausting to fly. You couldn’t take your hands off the stick. It was described as trying to push a bicycle backwards, since that would be against the caster of the bicycle. Just a few years latter, they started to put the center of gravity ahead of the center of pressure and depend on a little down pressure from the stabilizer to hold the nose up. In modern jets, they can put the center of pressure even or ahead of the center of gravity to improve maneuverability and efficiency of turns because of fly by wire can control the instability.
"center of gravity and the center of lift"
@@icin4d I say center of pressure because that includes the yaw axis. I’ve heard it called “catastrophic aerodynamics”.
@@ph2738 Sure, I understand the center of pressure as a dynamic force. Building scale RC aircraft I work with the CoG and CoL to tune the flight characteristics. I was just confused when you said, "engineers thought putting the center of gravity and the center of gravity at the same place" saying CoG twice. That is all.
@@icin4d oh, my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out. I have a history in model aircraft too. My dad maybe more than me. My dad has a memorial RC sailplane cup named for him in Spokane, WA.
The ironic thing is the gen 1, which your describe is now where gen 4++ are.
Went from an era where we were understanding flight, to making them unstable with as much lift as possible to make them agile, to pistons with either as much speed or turning as possible, to first gen jet where it was about speed and interception. Gen 3 more speed and interception and understanding different wing characteristics such as delta, versus swept, and variable.
To them now being so aerodynamic but yet unstable we need computers and fly by wire to because of how agile they can be. Now gen 5 stealth even more unstable platforms. Amazing how we came almost full circle.
Featured on Dogfights, German ace Werner Voss took on over 7 British S.E.5s in one of those Triplanes. Its maneuverability was very shocking to British ace James McCudden, especially when Voss pulled off a quick flat turn to shoot at McCudden who was diving to attack him.
Wow, the triplane is so maneuverable it can turn inside its own circle - It was really dancing! Still, when you extended, I braced for a Fox-2, and at the end, I thought you were going to land next to him and then pull out the pistol, but you were far too gentlemanly for that. I salute you, sir!
i love taking pot shots with the pistols in this game lol
At least drop some rations, a flask of scotch and some Joe Camels.HaHa
Fly ground level across his nose and see if he shoots from the ground.
I gotta say, your channel is one of my favorites. I'm loving the WWI content too.
Thanks brother, much love.
I prefer watching these bi/tri plane dogfights for some reason!
me too :)
In my opinion it’s because it feels more like watching sports. Instead of just impersonal turn and turn and turn and fox 3 or bvr it’s watching a gentleman’s duel
It’s insane when you look off to the side and see literal cable moving the aileron lol
I absolutely LOVE these WW1 duels. Love your Warbird stuff, too.
The most wholesome fight on this channel, just two kites flying alongside each other while no one gets hurt
We are sportsmen not butchers. That sums up the Great War in the air
"Psyche!" - Luftstreitkraffte, April 1917 probably
Absolutely your best video yet! 1 v 1 in WW1 was outstanding. Great content!
My grandfather was in the Royal flying corp in WW1, sadly he was not a pilot , he was one of the ground crew who worked on Sopwith pups and camels , in his civilian life he was a cabinet maker and a skilled craftsman who did lots of work in churchs replacing and repairing the religious carvings in the churches , when he died in the early 1970s my late father and i were clearing out his barn and we found a complete top wing from a sopwith camel , struts and lots of the metal brackets that the bracing wires for the wings were attached to , at the time my father did not think any one would want them so he broke the wing up and took the lot to the local rubbish tip.
Makes me think of Ace Werner Voss's last fight, where he ended up solo in a Dr-1 versus 8 British aces in SE-5s in a swirling dogfight that lasted 8 minutes, and he managed to force two of them out of the fight.
The level of Gentlemanliness in this dual was so high I'd be expecting both pilots to have strap-on top hats
That DR1 is something. Amazing plane. Great flying by GS to keep it in front majority of the flight. Plus great sportsmanship 👍🏽
That was actually a pretty decent fight and fair ending.. Greatly done!
I'm 60 and don't do video games. Nevertheless I enjoy your channel very much. Great narration excellent viewing experience.
Age doesn't matter. Start doing video games. There is a lot to discover. If you like this kind of videos, you will find endless enjoyment ahead of you.
Dude, so awesome! I absolutely love this! Ww1 pilots were truly on a whole different level!
He's snap rolling it. Leads to super fast roll rate. Pull up hard, full rudder, the plane stalls, and snap drops a wing. It's the entry to a spin, but you recover before the spin. Did it in Cessna 152 on training area in my training. Awesome.
I would never have the balls to do that. Must be like a roller coaster.
WW1 content is my favorite content
I love those fights, makes you really feel the pioneer spirit
I was half expecting battle between a flying doghouse and the bloody red baron over no-mans land.
Come on Snoopy!
That was pretty amazing, probably my new favorite video from your channel to date. Who was flying the Fokker? Mad skills...
i love these ww1 vids, its pretty crazy seeing bfm taken to such extremes, these planes almost turn on the spot lol
I love the wwI videos. Reminds me of playing wings of Glory. If someone might have heard of it;)... 27 years ago. Unbelievable how much the graphics advanced.
Thanks for your videos!
I've never seen something so maneuverable. What always amazed me about these pioneer pilots was that they had no parachute.
the germans had :) but the others thought it was better for motivation if you dont have one so you try harder
WWI dogfights are so personal and primal. Hope so see many more.
That was INTENSE!!! and kinda beautiful. Thanks for posting.
Ever played WW2 online? The flight sim in that game has always been top notch, Highly underrated game in general.
He did played and showed ww2 online content in DCS but unsure about Il-2
Take your eyes off a Dr1 for a second and it goes from flying away from you, to coming at you guns blazing.
Lordy, what a spectacle! I can see now that they didn't call WW1 Aerial combat 'The Flying Circus'! Love the VR view too, feels extremely natural with how you track the target while independently maneuvering the aircraft.
Only Richthofen's squadron was called the Flying Circus due to their crazy and bold paint jobs rather than using camouflage.
@@burtpanzer Thé German squadrons were called flying circuses because they would travel to whatever area needed local air superiority and set up shop in tents - like the circus. This was due to the Germans being outnumbered all the time.
@@killersalmon4359 The entire Luftwaffe? It had nothing to do with paint schemes? I don't think so...
Some really nice flying there, great video.
A kite fighting a stunt kite.
The DR-1 is a slug but it’s a slug that can dance.
Gotta love the WW1 engagements.
An excellent demonstration of how dangerous these aircraft can be in the hands of competent pilots.
You know what would be an amazing addition is proximity VoIP similar to SQUAD so you can shout at each other as you're turning around each other like "take that!" or "well fought!"
Just a random thought.
Snoopy would be proud of you! Lots of fun watching the WWI videos as well.
Wow.....that's a triplane with UFO capabilities right there.....😮
The Dr. 1, though an excellent aircraft, did have build quality issues and more then one German pilot died when wing failure caused to it disintegrated in mid air. The Fokker Dr. 1 was inspired by Sopworth's Triplane. The Camels predecessor.
I have a hard time believing any plane from that era could structurally handle these repeated loops and stalls and transitions from positive to negative G...
@@n.w.1803 they were flying so slow, the G’s weren’t that intense, that’s why they were able to do it so well. Light plane + low speed = low G’s.
@@Cybetrexs Well mass shouldn't alter the G forces in any way but it sure does affect the wing loading which is probably what you meant.
@@Tacticaviator7 yes, thank you for correcting me.
@@n.w.1803 Sorry I took awhile to catch up. I did a little bit more searching and discovered that the wing failure was due the poor quality of the construction by Fokker. Not only was there a problem with the construction of the aircraft but some parts were open to the elements which caused more problems with joints. It looks to me like Fokker or some within the company, were trying to get them built as quickly as possible and corners were cut. Possibly there was also pressure from the German airforce to get them to the front lines as soon as possible as well.
The fact that the problems were with the attachment of the top wing and it was taking the most stress from G force just made things worse.
Yes at the time, pilots observed a type of chivalry. Often referred to as Knights of the Air. The DR1 although a tri plane. The airfoil between the wings created a fourth wing helping with lift and maneuverability. WW1 German ace Bolke. Created the rules for dog fighting called the Dicta Bolke. Which is still today the base line for dog fighting. Love your videos. Keep flying and fighting.
Does anybody remember playing Red Baron in the early 90's? One of my favorite flight games.
whenever I see a german WWI plane with that name I can't help but think of the movie "meet the parents"
Absolutely awesome as always!
I didn't intend to use all words starting with "a" hahaha
F-22: Check out my thrust vector BS!
Dr.1: Get on my level.
That tri plane maneuverability is nuts!
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!
"I'm working on that... I'm working on that....", I'm sure all of us that have gotten into a touch of trouble that close to the ground flying the fabulously finicky Camel has uttered those very words... I know I have.... and sometimes they were the last words of that flight.
Dr 1. with 3.5 wings. That part on the wheels act as a small wing too.
All radials had problems with turning against the engine torque. Funny thing is the Germans abandoned the DR. 1 for the same reasons the British abandoned the Triplane. It was slow and had the problem of losing the top wing in a dive.
That was a lot of fun! Liked how you made a pass over as he landed.
Cool... Need to see more of these
The knights of the sky.
Wielding weapons that let you soar the skies, you fight to kill each other.
But their weapons are faulty, they will fail them.
As such, when the weapon dies before the knight, their opponent is to spare them.
Without so much as a word needed to make that happen.
Admirable.
Amazing video!
I appreciate the sportsmanship ✈
This was really interesting to watch in contrast to the high speed jet fights. More of this please!
That would be amazing with a top-of-the-line VR setup.
I’m surprised you didn’t waggle your wings to acknowledge his green flare
Used to love flying "First Eagles" from Thirdwire although that game wasn't made for VR.
Awesome video... this needs a round 2 fight
Suolper manueverable. No missle lock there just pure flying skill.
Lovely. VR + ww1 = great viewing. Ty. 😊
Do a pilot avatar of Werner Voss and Ernst Udet. Your WW1 videos are amazingly fun to watch. Killer stuff!
I believe there was some degree of mutual respect... a little known fact is how U-Boats would often send a distress signal for the crew of a crippled and sinking ship where none had been sent, even when giving away their position was a bit risky.
Hope that pilot brought food... Stuck in the middle of the snowy wilderness in a time where radios were uncommon.
the wind noise??? :D its like flying on a parachute or a glider :)
Lothar Von Richthofen has NOTHING to do with being a gentleman,even his own brother called him a butcher.
You need to put a fan on the desk while flying these planes in VR.
ha!
He does
More WWI dogfights, please!
What!?! Respectful flares?! My world is just flipped upside down.
An elegant aircraft, from a more civilized age.
Good quote.
FYI, the small prop on the wing strut drives the fuel pump.
This gave me serious Snoopy and the Red Baron vibes.
Just in time for Christmas, the Canadian Snoopy has defeated the Red Baron!
Basically canvas attached to an engine
The DR1 was extremely maneuverable but not easy to fly, and it was slower than most late-war contemporaries.
As one writer put it (rather nicely, I think), "..by 1918 it was a rapier among sabres.." which sums it up perfectly - in skilled hands it could still be deadly but in anyone elses hands it was going to get rofflestomped in short order. :)
This was so cool!!!
You and Longshot Mano-e-Mano? Even better, another “two morons” attack video!
The reason it feels like a gentleman like flight is it’s akin to sword fighting or dueling pistols. The point isn’t always to kill, but to win.
"Sportsmen not butchers?" - No, you're "municipal rat catchers, sewermen of the sky" - Major Frank Wooley, RFC
Aha! Another Derek Robinson fan? (although 'Stanley', not 'Frank')
The Elephant in the Room: Fokker vs F-22!!!!!!!!!!
At one point you can see his plane leaking white smoke after you hit him, so that might have been what eventually caused his engine failure.
Best vid jet. Thx Mr Growling
The reason many WW1 aircraft prefer turning to in direction and "pitch up/down" when turning is because they used rotary engines. No, not wankels, but radial engines where the crankshaft is fixed and the propeller is attached to the engine block. The engine thus acts as a massive flywheel and gyroscopic precession affects the aircraft's trajectory differently depending on which side it turns (and which side the engine is spinning, though most spun clockwise if I recall)
We saving the disrespect for the modern day fighter lol. Hope to see more of WWI Dogfights!
And then home for tea and biscuits.
Knights of the air, man.
Being that much faster, could you 'boom and zoom' him?
That is just incredible how it can be handled.
My money was on GS but the other pilots had skills, That was intense Thanks GS
Now that’s a dogfight!
Sportsmanship above all. You flew like red baron.
Honestly put one of those up against a Su-57. Supermaneuverability my ass.
The death / casualty numbers for WW1 pilots was horrific.
Me: You should treat your plane like you treat your woman!
Growling Sidewinder: what do you mean? Take her home to meet your mother.
Me: NO... You get in her 5 times a day and take her to heaven and back.
Ref: BLACKADDER FLYING SCHOOL.
That was a beautiful maneuver by the Fokker at 2:09; it looked to me like he sideslipped it out of the line of your guns before you could come around all the way.
Interesting and entertaining!👍
Is it possible to fight WW1 Planes against WW2? If possible it could turn out some fun content ;)