The Last Jedi's Hyperspace Ram, but it's Lore Accurate
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- A lot of people complained about the Hyperspace Ram from The Last Jedi, but what if it were a little more accurate to the lore?
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Not meant as a TLJ hitpiece, just an idea I found funny. I have one planned for RotJ as well, if this animation does well!
Lol didn’t 3 ISD’s hyperspace ram the Executor at Yavin and it did nothing?
Pretty accurate. Mind you that was legends.
In canon anything going at light speed can pass through shields as per TFA.
Now do a lore-accurate version of Halo with Halofollower. Have Master Chief kick someone in the nuts
Please keep it up. This is awesome! :-) Would love to see another video in this style.
Stop. You know very well that TLJ haters are going to absolutely love this clip. You have single-handedly proven that TLJ is complete garbage. Rian Johnson stands are not going to let you live it down. Welcome to the Fandom Menace.
Just like a fly hitting a car at 120km/hr
I love the look of disappointment on Leia and Po’s faces
Like the look on my face when I saw The Last Jedi.
@@thebaptistwasher Daaamn low blow
@@thebaptistwasher ya need a submarine for a blow taht Low
Yeah!! 😅😅😅
@@thebaptistwasher damnit that's what I was thinking hahahaha
*Poe voice*
“Somehow, Our plot armor has been broken”
It's almost like there is some idiot in a room full of writers coming up with scenarios that are so ridiculous they do not actually work.
Wait a minute did you just pulled a Halo follower “but it’s Lord accurate
@@robertnelson9599 yup
FINALLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY!
NO, you failed to break THEIR plot armor.
I love how this completely changes the tone of the scene where they watch it from grief or sadness to just "..that dumbass.."
I was never sad about that scene, Holdo sucked and was by far one of the worst characters in the whole franchise.
@@theredhood2796all the characters love her ok you have to love her too
@@spook407ikr
She literally reads like a Marie sue OC from a bad Tumblr fanfic
@@theredhood2796 She was a literal purple haired feminists write in. Such a bad character it was almost hilarious. This movie is what killed my joy for Star Wars. I mean Mandalorian is good, but we know that this movie is where things ultimately end up, which makes me so damn depressed sometimes watching Ahsoka.
Obi-Wan: "Well have you noticed the shields are still up?!"
sorry master
@thesnesman5235 "really I don't sense anything."
Perfection😂
"Hello Th..."
Shields don’t work in atmosphere, according to disney lore. Using disney lore to justify disney lore annoys the fuck out of me
"Did...did they just throw a ship at us?"
"Yes sir they did"
"...destroy what's left of those idiots, we're done here"
Hahaha
"Two can play that game, send our ships into a Hyperspace ram!!"
"Sir but didn't they just fai-"
"DO IT!!"
@@durinV GET ME CLOSER TO THEIR SHIP PILOT, I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
😂😂😂
@@thecommentguy9380 FOR THE GOD EMPEROR
I love how Leia and Poe are like, "Idiot thought THAT would work"
they both facepalm lol
technically her plan was to piss off the fans so it did work
So..... what would you have done?
@@DrewLSsix probably have all hyperspace capable ships split up in different directions along different hyperspace routes. Supremacy is probably gonna stay on the Raddus under the belief that it's got the resistance high command on it and they explicitly say that resistance ships are faster than first order ones
@trueblueprussian 23 Exactly, they later proved that their sensors weren't able to see the shuttles for ferrying members unless tipped off by Benicio del Toro. They would keep chasing the Raddus until it ran out of fuel, giving time to likely get everyone off, high command and all.
"The war is over, let's go home boys." - Snoke
He’s dead at this point
@@Beamer490 Oh yes, I forgot about that.
@@Beamer490 Somehow Snoke returned
@@ahmetutkuakbulut5374 don't forget there are clones of him. :p
"And then there's snoke!"
"..He's dead"
That scene literally broke the entire universe. If you could just take a very small ship and destroy a gigantic fleet just by hyperspace ramming it, why would people not be doing that all the time?
Collateral damage would be through the roof, you'll be hitting stuff light years behind whatever the target was as well.
its flagman ship, thats why. rebels dont have much of them
no you wouldnt that didnt happen here whare are yiu talking about
To no one’s surprise, every other reply to your comment is just “my headcanon is canon, therefore movie good”. TLJ fans are a special breed.
@@MacaptaTranslation: “my headcanon is canon, therefore movie good.”
*Hux:* "Thought we were in trouble there for a second... but it's fine."
Hux: wow. That bisnatch was dumber than kylo ren.
Turns out shields are a thing for a reason.
"Huh, well that was uh......something, carry on gents"
Your thousandth like my guy
@@Triffett Thank you, kind sir.
Officer: "Admiral, i think we've hit a rock, Shields have taken 5% damage"
Hux: "Understood, proceed"
I haven't seen this film in a few years but didn't they transfered shield power to the engine to try to keep up with them?
@@PyrrhosDauvet I doubt it, because the ressurgent is as fast if not faster than a tie fighter which we saw easily reach the radius in seconds. Yet none of them did so I assume the supremacy may be just as fast due to all of tgose engines.
Honestly, I remember someone saying it should’ve not torn the fleet apart, but instead made an emp. Honestly the emp makes more sense.
0.05%
@@johnf.kennedy5904 the supremacy would be many times slower than a resurgent due to how propulsion actually works. Look up the square-cube law.
Both Poe and Leia are thinking “Well...so much for that idea.”
Considering Holdo told no one her plan, they were probably thinking "what a f***ing idiot".
@@robertnelson9599 It's what _I_ was thinking. Why not do that with one of the X-Wings? _They_ have hyperdrives, and at _that_ velocity the mass difference is irrelevant! Why go out of your way to take out your _last capital ship_ when you can sacrifice a _single fighter_ to achieve the same results?!!
I almost yelled that out in the middle of the theater. I was just that _pissed_ at the sheer stupid.
I understood that reference
Yes hishe reference
ua-cam.com/video/20Jcrk6jGfo/v-deo.html
The disappointed faces of Leia and Poe are priceless with that context.
You'd expect them to be happy to be rid of that annoying and incompetent admiral
“Well we’re fucked”
-Poe’s last words
It's funny when you realize they say "the move is one in a million" in TROS, because then it just makes it look like Holdo was really trying to run away and accidentally killed herself.
Yeah
This is my head canon to make things even a little more believable:
Hyperspace travel has existed for many thousand years. Most species after joining the galactic community, would simply copy the ancient hyperspace technology (the core parts of hardware and software that were so matured that there hadn't been improvements since forever). This core elements had specific commands hardwired in to prevent things like the Holdo maneuver. Either because they were used in ancient and forgotten wars and outlawed or because some disgruntled smuggler might be able to obliterate entire worlds.
Now the flagship of the resistance was a prototype constructed by the Republic with the goal to create their own hyperspace engine. Maybe to improve usage in dangerous regions (Galactic core or even leaving the galaxy) where it was found that conventional hyperspace engines wouldn't work reliably if it worked at all.
The experiment was a failure and the Raddus had been too finetuned for the new hyperspace engines to simply swap it with common engines (knowing that each Mon Calamari cruiser was a unicum and the engineers surely had tried to optimize it to the extreme). So she kept the new engines (that worked less reliably than common engines, needed more maintenance, etc.) that were deemed too dangerous as while they had fiddled with the ancient core programming, nobody could guarantee the safety of ship and crew.
Instead of scraping, the Raddus found its way to the resistance and as long as the engines were kept within very specific parameters, the safety _should_ be _nearly_ guaranteed. Holdo knowing about this not only deactivated these safeties but configured the engines to such expremes that she knew the ship would not survive the jump. She would not had known what exactly would happen, but hoped that it would be at least a giant detonation that would hopefully mask the escape of the rest of the resistance.
I always liked the explanation that it was only able to hit the main ship because in order to track them through hyperspace it had to have a presence in hyperspace, and the ship hit that part of it that was in hyperspace.
@@Ergand my headcanon is closer to "They made a ship big enough for Palpatine's ego, and in doing so accidentally created a gravitational field strong enough to pull objects passing over it out of Hyperspace, therefore, the only reason it worked was because Palps wanted his big bad subordinate to be sufficiently ostentatious.
@@haunte789 The Holdo Maneuver and "lightspeed skipping" cannot logically exist in the same universe. It's bad enough that the sequel trilogy directly contradicts the established rules of the original six films on multiple fronts, but they even contradict *each other*.
"Damage report?"
"Structurally, we are fine, sir. But in terms of mental damage... I think that hilarious attempt of ramming us broke some of our troops. I haven't seen such laughter since Order 66, sir."
xDDDDD
Messed up but hilarious 😂
Gold
DAYUM!
“Since order 66, sir.”
Wait, what?
Leia and Poe: “Shit wouldn’t have happened if Akbar was in charge”
b-b-b-b-but i tough he was just some random generic unimportant character?!
@@sum1337 oh hell naw
Wouldn't it?
As far as I understand Akbar is mostly known for walking blindly into traps and getting fucked by the story over and over.
@@nofunpolice6132 Not at all. Ackbar was a beast in the Clone Wars tv show and in Rotj, he lead the fleet well even when it was a trap. Everybody in the rebel fleet was blindsided by the star destroyer trap and would've been killed if Han's team didn't destroy the shield generator on endor.
@@grayski3324 let em know!
I'm more amazed that they actually managed to hit that ship, considering that it's about as thin and shaped like a Dorito chip
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Holdo just missed and went straight past the fleet?
I mean, they are pilots, maybe with some calculator on board. Idk i was like 7 when I watched the movie
@@Qoobon_ Allegedly, this was a 1 in a million shot, according to the movie immediately following it. If they could just do it with calculators, then it wouldn't have been such a risky maneuver. Implying she eye-balled it.
I would have been ok even if it damaged something on the supremacy to make it break but destroying the entire fleet is too much.
@@swa5026 i mean it didn't really seam to do anything as right after, the first order lands an entire assault force on the planet and we just kinda ignore the massive amount of death that just happened.
Hux: *HIGHLY CONFUSED* “engage windshield wipers and resume fire”
I love the idea of a space ship that is far too big to land on a planet having windscreen wipers on every external window just in case 😂
@@matthewevans5486 It's that darn space amoeba.
I'm kind of in awe of the mechanics of a giant windshield wiper.
@@MalcontentFlower and rebel admirals!
@@matthewevans5486 The Cassini probe ran into a hydrocarbon haze at one point that fucked up its cameras, made NASA wish they'd put windshield wipers on it, so it oddly checks out.
Luke: *sips his milk while shaking head light years away*
He sees a little twinkle in the sky “fuck”
Tmw you don't feel a disturbance in the force.
"Smh, they didn't even tried spinning."
@@svenkleinplarre9461 I know! And it’s such a good trick...
@@DarthVader0001 Did you told the Tragedy of Darth Plagus the wise to anyone ?
“Damage report.”
“John got a concussion, Matthew is blind now. And i have a headache. But everything else works sir”
What is this from...?
Oh and also we time travelled.
"Poor Matthew, just finished his training to become the replacment janitor, for some dude who run away after his first combat mission (I dont even know why we send janitors into a contested LZ), but we executed him in the hanger two minutes ago, after he came back for some reason. Your sacrifice will be rememberd Matthew."
@Dab Smith disability pay my friend. Gotta report it early, or you get squat.
@@eliaspeter7689 my brain
This actually would have been so much better in reinforcing how hopeless the situation really was
Indeed. It would have been vastly superior.
So this is how the movie ends, with thunderous applause.
Wait weren't ships crashing into planets able to crack the crust? Or am I mistaken.
Didn't know you worked for the Senate there
@@frostbyte2384 that will be The Blackstone fortress from Warhammer 40k on Battle of Cadia
Wait a minute did you just pulled a Halo follower “but it’s Lord accurate
He either adopted the quote in Man in the High Castle or in Star Wars
Somehow, rose rams into her with another capital ship out of nowhere and calls to tell her that she can't win by fighting what she hates, but by saving what she loves. Then they both are destroyed by the first order
I still wince at the sheer stupidity of that line.
That's brilliant 😂
@@keiichi8191 ikr, he WAS fighting for what he loved he was going to save THEM ALL. She basically killed the resistance
Lol saving this
@@keiichi8191 I still wince at how supposed fans didn't understand if
"Hhrrrgghghgrrph..."
"Boy, you said it, Chewie. I was THIS close to Force-projecting over there and saving those people."
Good thing I didn't... I could have died!... and for nothing! "oh hooo hooo"
A 15 year old call back to one of the first How It Should Have Ended
@@shadowunifer was that really 15 years ago?!
@@PhinPhan39 maybe they typo'd the 1? so 5 years ago?
@@LeafMaltieze just looked it up, no typo, the video says 14 years ago 😱
Tbh, if the lightspeed ram was the biggest problem this movie had, I could live with that. There are way worse things to criticize in this movie
For all the lore inaccuracy, the hyperspace ram was still a genuinely epic moment. The rest of the movie had the same energy as two kids playing with action figures.
Yeah, the ram is exclusively dumb in the "why hasn't this been done before?" context, whereas other stuff, such as Rey being used as an audience surrogate because Rian Johnson thought he was clever, functionally character assassinating any of her good qualities from the first movie in the process (because there were one or two until Johnson retconned her desire to find her family into her being a clout chaser for that scene) while Finn... everyone knows how bad Finn got treated in the movies following Force Awakens. Heck, outside of Han getting demoted back to smuggling, most of the characters were treated alright during Force Awakens, new ones included. Kylo was a bit whiny and Rey was abnormally skilled, but the former would've worked if Snoke was allowed to be important, and the latter is just a side effect of force sensitivity, so if you assumed the title meant Force Sensitivity was getting way higher quality during that era (like I did until Last Jedi came out) there's no inconsistency, she's just one of a new wave of force sensitives who are all strong. Then Last Jedi made it out like that wasn't the case, and Rise of Skywalker made it more obviously not.
It's more so how much different things they do and they're always making up something new. Like force healing. At some point you stop being excited about what could potentially happen because they'll just pull something out of their ass
@deoxxys That's fair. Lightspeed ram at least gets the "rule of cool" factor in my opinion. In a vacuum, I actually think that the lightspeed ram is a cool moment, I just don't like how it fits into the lore. However, Force Healing makes fatal wounds otherwise survivable and ruins the stakes of any fight after it is introduced, so there isn't anything redeemable about its inclusion in my opinion. That's kind of why I don't really mind the lightspeed ram as much as other factors of TLJ (Luke's Characterization, sub-plots that don't service the overall story, characters that go through largely the same arc as the prior movie/don't grow at all, bad pacing imo, etc.) I was actually a fan of the decision to make Rey a nobody and not related to any established character, and I liked that Kylo seemed to step into a more villainous role (the inverse of Anakin's arc) because they were showing us things we hadn't already seen in this universe. But yeah, Force Healing is really bad and Lightspeed Ram doesn't make a ton of lore sense, but I don't think it's nearly the worst thing about the film
@@brendanpierce96 I was personally fine with Rey not being related to anyone too, but I kinda hate Johnson for making her give a shit about the fact her parents weren't important instead of having the bombshell moment be the claim she was sold for booze.
Can we appreciate how masterfully this was edited. The explosion itself was beautiful, but getting rid of the slashes across ships, erasing the debris, AND doing it across different angles must've been so tedious.
Amen
They should hire whoever made this for the next one
It helps that they show the ships intact at every angle initially. After that it's just a freeze frame.
it probably wasnt even done... they might have just isolated the explosion and kept the ships from before the impact.... then again i dont do enough editing to really know if that capability exists... but iv seen photo shop guys do it with static images.
There was no getting rid of the slashes, those are all still frames of the beginnings of the shots where they weren't slashed, yet. You can see that the camera isn't moving.
Leia's and Poe's face be like:
*My disappointment is inmensurable and my day is ruined*
Don't worry...their day was short after that. (Palpatine laugh)
ROFL
My disappointment is inmesurable and my life is over
As any face should be when watching this movie xD
Snoke: My disappointment in your performance cannot be overstated.
I kinda wished that sorta happened. But it created a huge flash bang, blinding the First Order crew temporarily, and the impact disoriented the flagship's sensor relay and targeting system, so they have to recalibrate which bought the Reistance time to land.
That's sound more believable than the entire sequel trilogy
I think you just completely fixed that scene without affecting the plot much, have you considered becoming a movie director?
Already being more realistic
Or not have hyperspace tracking, and instead have a fucking spy on board
Honestly the idea isn't bad, able to do some damage and probably result in massive confusion. The problem is this is the era of instant gratification and thus we needed it to solve the problem with MORE EXPLOSIONS.
I always laughed at the original scene, because I was like Why couldn't they have done that to the Deathstar or Starkiller base, also what was to stop the Empire from doing that to every planet with a single kamikaze ship? lol
TBF, they did kinda do that with the Executor in Return of the Jedi (look up "Executor Falls" for context)
In what way? They did not "kinda" do that at all. The Executor just collided with the Deathstar after losing control, no hyperspace involved.@@Imperials3nate
@@Imperials3nate The executor crashing into the DSII didn't do nearly as large of a percentage of damage. The only real loss from it's crash was the Executor itself thing barely put a dent into the DSII
@@imlegos2153 I think he's referring to the A-wing that crashed into _Executor_ once the shields were down. But the shields were also down.
They have droids capable of navigating ships in an autopilot like way. Why aren't they building hyperdrive powered cruise missile like weapons without people aboard to kill capital ships in one shot? Instead of a flight deck full of tie fighters or x wings, bring dozens of these along.
Leia and Po look at each other. Po says: "Well, at least Holdo is dead". Leia responds: "Now I understand why Dad used to kill the incompetent people that worked for him".
*Leia force chokes Holdo to death*
Leia: "Apology accepted, Vice Admiral Holdo."
@@linkofvev Lmao
@@linkofvev Admiral Dameron, you're in charge now. Do not disappoint me.
BAAAAAHAHAAA
@@linkofvev Fund this immediately
It would have been cool if this is what happened in the movie- but the confusion from the boom still let the ships get away.
I don’t agree, I like the huge hyperspace explosion more. That was really an awesome moment for me. If it just blinded and disoriented everyone on board it wouldn’t have been as dramatic. Also, I don’t understand why this is more “lore accurate” than the regular scene. Can someone explain that to me?
I believe in one of the comics, the Executor tanked 3 ISDs that exited hyperspace right in front of it. The shields were severely depleted, but it clearly survive unscathed. Only natural that a high-powered MSD would have even higher shielding for surviving such a maneuver from a single cruiser.
@@chewy99. Well the lore is there as a fundamental of the universe. If you will bend it for the sake of special effects and awe then that's just bad writing/directing... great writers would have found a way to make it possible... w/o bending the lore
I agree w/ OP, it would have been good plot material to make the enemy more intimidating and unstoppable, the situation hopeless and dire, more IMPACTFUL and DRAMATIC. Just like how they did it with Darth Vader in Rogue One and Jedi Fallen Order. If hyperspace Kamikaze was the answer to star wars - then the Death star wouldnt have mattered at all
Nice to see that you’re alive and Well Sage, hope that your Puppers are doing better now.
If only Obi Wan was there to remind her that the shields were still up.
^underrated comment
Well it wouldn't have mattered lightspeed isn't excactly going at lighspeed, it's like entering another dimension
I mean if It was irl it would be way more destructive than both movies as something that big moving at least the speed of light would smash the super star destroyer to peices and then the force would send a shower of wreckage towards the star destroyers at high speed and would destroy the entire fleet
Either Obi Wan or Lando would've sufficed here
@@splay4770 no, because they aren’t moving at the speed of light. Also that ship has the most powerful shields, and a lesser ISD, tanked 3 ships exiting hyperspace right on it, with shields depleted but not a scratch. No way this would work
Everyone: _Dies_
Credits: *Triumphant music*
Disney Star Wars in under a minute.
Everyone pretty much actually dies in The Last Jedi, yet it's supposed to have happy ending. It was so stupid. Even better is ending of Force Awakens. Rebels win in first movie, just to be almost wiped out at beginning of next one. The best story in new trilogy was one in Battlefront 2, because atleast I could understand what's happening
Hux: “wh- uhmmm- *looks around at everyone else being just as confused* what’s the damage?”
Bridge officer: “shields are stable, i spilled my coffee.”
Hux: “rebel scum. Fire on those cruisers!”
Hux: ...But seriously, did they actually thought that was going to work?
Bridge Officer: Seems so. I mean, they're moving pretty slow, we're just finishing the last of them now.
Hux: I mean really? Did they not know how Hyperspace works? This is why we should be ruling the Galaxy!
Bridge Officer: Yes, sir. The Rebels were quite dumb.
Hux: Indeed. //Captain Phasma. Report on that execution.//
Captain Phasma: It's over. The Traitor and the Rebel are dead. Hey, what was that weird quake that happened?
Hux: //Oh, you are not going to believe this!//
@@elitegamer9310 hahahahahahahah yeah thats sounds just about right
"...I spilled my coffee."
Now others may consider that a bit of a Poe joke for Star Wars, but I'd love to see that!
*KABOOM!*
_drink spills_
"Damage report."
Hahahahaha XD
Because they hadn't established that hyperdrive travel ignores shields in *checks notes* quite literally the previous movie.
I spilled my coffee lol
"Oh it's beautiful"
so glad there are fans who know what they're talking about still
"Are we blind? Deploy the garrisons!"
Hey Sbeev!
Indeed
Oh snap how ya been man?
"This may have been the worst plan in the history of plans." - Poe and Leia
Maybe ever.
"My flagship is gonna be YUGE!"
-Snoke
It's a good plan
No wonder she didn't want to tell anyone.
@@ryancols it really wasn’t
The effect of it hitting the shield is really well done. Really impressive esp for a UA-cam video.
Hux: "Um.....status report?"
Random Soldier: "No damage sir, we're a little shaken up but okay."
Hux: "And the Rebels?"
Random Soldier: "Still in view."
Hux: "Wonderful, fire."
Hux: "You may fire when ready"
“BuT hUx Is ThE sPy”
OPEN FIRE ( Tartan cruiser from Empire at War game )
Sir I spilled my coffee
Star wars isn't even close to that technology.
This is literally what happened when the rebel ships attempted to excape through hyperspace at the end of Rogue One
Well the difference there is that Vader’s ship came out of hyperspace right as it was about o take off so it didn’t really have a chance to leave just yet
@@WolfclawTheGreatwolf Exactly, it crashed into Vader's ship. If it had properly entered hyperspace it would've flown right through it without causing any damage, just like any other ship in hyperspace flies through star systems without damaging anything
@@rymdalkis But why did Han Solo took that long to get into Hyperspace in the first ever Star Wars movie and explained it, that they don't want to fly through a Sun or a moon, because it would be a very short flight?
@@TheGermanKyote Hyperspace works likw Tunnels in the spacetime, a bit like wormholes and somw of them are stable and some unstable and wobble around or just end somewhere randomly and if you don't calculate your jump right you could end up in a planet or a star because the tunnel breaks open
@@generaldurchbruchmuller Where did you get that informations? Not in the Movies.
Star Wars was never based on the science side of fiction in it's physics. At least not for me. For that i watched TNG or read Asimov and others.
Wait this isn’t how the movie went?
Its better tho XD
The ship ran into the shields
i guess so never really saw it
In this video, the First Order doesn't appear to have been damaged.
@@mediadunce653 they did take damage. lost like half their fleet and a wing of their SSD
“. . . Well that was weird.”
- Jack Horner
I like the added touch at the end where the turbolasers are shooting straight instead of in artillery arcs, because there's totally gravity in space
Well there is, and being that close to a planet likely means that you need to fire at a small angle. That would be part of the reason many battles in the SW universe take place on the same plane despite being in space, being that close to a planet means you need to contend with its gravity.
@@robot3759
Except since they’re in orbit of said planets (or in this case have left orbit), the shots would also be orbiting, so there’s no “drop” like in the movie. If anything you might have to aim very slightly low because going faster actually makes your orbit higher.
Not that any of it would be noticeable by eye, since it’s all taking place in visual range anyways. :)
@@robot3759 their relative speed is the same so there would be no arc.
Mhmm. I also found it funny how the Raddus and her escorts needed to continuously burn fuel to maintain their velocity…in space.
Where there’s no friction or air resistance to slow them down…
@@narutardkyuubi they could've been speeding up, so when they ran out the other ships overtook them, also burning fuel for power
Radius: Suicides into Supremacy to save Rebels.
Supremacy: ... So anyway, I started blasting.
Raddus, not Radius...
Suicides?
Looks more like it yeeted away and left them to die
it was shield not blaster
Nah, more like:
"All that, for a drop of blood."
Or in this case:
"All that, for a small drop of my shields".
Nah, Supremacy was more like: "Oh no! Anyway--"
There's a cut scene where one of the pilots activated a giant wind shield wiper and brushes away the ashes of Holdo off their ship.
You joke, but that's a legit part of ship maintenance in universe.
In From a different point of view, the guy who didn't fire on the droids escape pod in new hope. Literally he didn't want to do the paperwork for firing the cannon. So he has an admin fake logs saying their viewscreen was being washed
@@mullerpotgieter wow sounds like something I would do
What are we paying by the laser now?
@@ayu8994 something even scarier paper work
Humiliation 100
In the old lore, there are exactly 3 ways this could have gone:
1, Holdo engaged the hyperdrive, and successfully ran away after getting the vast majority of the remaining Resistance killed.
2, Holdo tried to engage the hyperdrive to run away, but the First Order's new flagship came equipped with a gravity well generator or two, preventing any escape.
3, Holdo tried a ramming manuever with the sub-lightspeed engines (it wasn't effective at all, minimal disruption to enemy shields and no damage to any other starships)
There are ways for command bridges to be damaged directly or shields to be bypassed, but the former usually only becomes possible after a heavy firefight where one side can overload the enemies' shields, while the latter is mostly achieved by secretly ambushing an enemy fleet and infiltrating while they're not expecting any attacks. As for directly ramming other starships, the general rule of thumb is that if you can close the distance, ramming can be effective among ships of similar sizes, but if the enemy shields have been overloaded, even smaller ships can disable/destroy sections of large battleships.
No matter what the interpretation, Admiral Holdo can only be viewed as an incompetent coward who got her entire fleet destroyed, all because of some nonsense about a "fuel shortage".
Lol right? And like... she knows enough to disengage the navigation system to use hyperdrive manually, but doesn't know why you avoid mass shadows 💀
This video should be labeled under the category of "Education" because it's spitting nothing but STRAIGHT FACTS.
General Kenobi, your expertise is greatly appreciated.
This should just be in the movie. A lot better ending than that other piece of shit we got
I love you Kenobi
It’s difficult to call something ‘factual’ when it isn’t even remotely possible in our universe.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 That's Kenobi, my mans, that's his universe! Its quite factual for him!
I like that he even fixed the bending of the supremacy’s shots and made them straight
"Gunners, you can stop going for trick shots, just kill them."
im still trying to figure out how they were working... Curve laser in space... or even a mass driver... you need gravity for the curve. the Supremacy was so big it create enough gravity for it to curve?
@@dustinjones7458lmao
@@chosela2488I think the lasers were like guided missiles
They specifically targeted the back of the cruiser and curved in order to reach it
@chosela2488 I think that Kylo Ren and Rey (insert last name here) romance was so strong that it attracted Big Smoke and George Lucas's attention. Then George Lucas became so angry that his sheer rage warped the text of the script in an attempt to save the story. His efforts, although appreciated were in vain. The script remained relatively unchanged, except for the warping of the turbo lasers. This makes the most sense I think.
Always loved the idea that the move is actually so useless that Holdo was trying to run away and only succeeded in killing herself
I kind of unintentionally broke this movie for someone when it first came out. They asked what I thought and after mulling it over, I expressed that it felt a bit like filler. Nothing of entire vast significance happens. Literally the Rebels or Resistance just spend the majority of the movie leading the First Order on a merry chase across space.
And not even a very good chase!
My friend didn't quite like that....only to come back a few days later and grudgingly admit I was right. 😂😂
In IX they straight up say "that move is 1 in a million!" and honestly makes it like 10x funnier knowing she was trying to run like a little bitch and just totally ate shit.
@@cadmus204 That literally is not what she was doing, I hate the movie too but that is literally not what she was doing. She was taking the chance that it would work, if she was trying to run she would of jumped literally anywhere BUT directly into the enemy ship. Take off the hater goggles for five goddamn seconds and actually think about what was happening in the damn movie. When a character pulls something that has insanely low odds of working they're doing it while hoping that it works, and it usually does because a character pulling a stunt like that during a climactic moment and failing is bad story telling.
@@cadmus204 You might be joking but I doubt everyone else making the same or similar statements is, so what I said still applies.
@@DiamondCrash The movie itself is ALSO bad story telling. I went into the movie blind and spent the entire "chase" sequence noting different ways the conflict would end if anyone on either side stopped being stupid. The whole "One in a million" was just the writers covering their asses since if it actually worked at all, then most instances of space combat have become ludicrously wasteful. Death Star? Just ram a ship into the planet at FTL. Getting rid of the Death Stars 1-3? Ram a ship into them at FTL. Turbo laser batteries become completely irrelevant and capital ships are only useful as transports rather than as combat platforms.
And no, what you said doesn't apply because everyone making that statement is joking and just mocking how bad the movie was.
Po’s and Leia’s reactions become ten times funnier with this edit. 🤣🤣🤣
Visually, that scene was a feast for the eyes.
Logically, it was like eating crayons.
This goes for all the new Disney Star Wars
what are you talking about, logically? the series is about space wizards and ur getting mortally offended by a ship flying through another ship? hahahaha
@@jadyntrujillo5043 Logic and realism are two very different ideas and anyone with most basic education should know about it.
@@jadyntrujillo5043 My brother in Christ are people still saying this... A well written universe has set rules that must be adhered to.
As an example the inheritance cycle books use the idea that performing an action with magic requires just as much energy as doing the thing without magic.
In The Last Jedi, they broke a previously established rule. Going back to our magic example, imagine they spent four books using that rule. Then in the final fight, the protagonist just decides that... no, they don't think they will, and breaks the established rules in a way that should have been possible the whole time. That is objectively bad writing and it's what we see in this scene in TLJ.
@@jadyntrujillo5043 there's such a thing called Internal Consistency in storytelling. The world you make has a set of rules, always adhering to said rules is Internal Consistency. Example: a fantasy world has magical healing and the rule for healing magic, is that the healer suffers all of the pain their patient endures. Then whenever someone heals and they suffer immense pain, it's consistent. Then you have an example where someone heals another, but suffers no ill effects; that's no longer consistent with the world, unless you have a damn good reason
"You tried so hard and get so far
And in the end it doesn't even matter"
- In honor of Admiral Ackbar -
Sums up the new trilogy
LINKIN PARK!!!!!
@@fueledbypaintwater yassss
900th like and 4th comment
"Well if you haven't noticed, the shields are still shields."
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Tragidus the wise?
@@theleftfootedsultan He has the power to create sand.
@@kaiseryakkovonwarner8783 I see you are a man of culture as well
@@theleftfootedsultan Have you heard the Darthety of Tragic Wise the Plageous?
@@InventorZahran You win the internet for the day.
0:30 love the extras just talking to each other in the background, like nothing important is happening that they should pay attention to. Great directing, Rian!
LOOOOOL WAIT WHAT I NEVER NOTICED HAHAHAHAHA
I like to imagine them arguing wih each other like, "see I fuckin told you she didn't qualify as a leader or a pilot and now you know why! Poe is right!"
"How would I know she didn't know how this works?! She's so charismatic before!"
"Bah excus-"
*KABLAM*
“Do you come here often?”
Absolute trash tier "director." Moron should be directing commercials for some small town storage rental business or buy-here-pay-here car lot.
"What's the news from the other parts of Tamriel?"
Now that ending would have subverted everyone's expectations.
"Suprise! It's not a trilogy. Everybody dies, bad guys win. The end."
I could have accepted that. The Rebell... I mean the resistance was shown to be lead by idiots employing idiots, using idiotic tactics... So it would have been no Suprise if they all died.
Let’s be honest Lucas would Accept that
@@BobbaDons destroying the empire what there biggest mistake that was the faction raking in the money
Subverting expectations? I wonder if Ryan Johnson and the writers of Game of Thrones came from the same factory?
This could've opened the door for ep 9 being about Anakin redeeming Kylo Ren--oh what should've been!
Tbh. The empire were never even the bad guys. It was the cultist rebels the whole time who were bad.
Leia thinking: _"Just 5 more instalments and that ship would have been entirely paid off"_
Poe interrupting her thought: _"6 instalments"_
I could see a robot chicken strip out of this
@@marseldagistani1989
My goodness, you're right!
@@bluehero-96 Palpatine: And then that Pink haired Chick what's Her name Holdon? Hillary? Whatever her name is, rammed her ship to the SSD and then blew herself up! It was really disappointing really, but hey at least this time the rebels were the one's that blew up.
*slap* "You're demoted! Again!"
@@marseldagistani1989 I believe it was Harris
i find it's lack of flaws...pleasing
This movie scene is now... Fully operational.
Master
@@DarthVader0001 imma joins the empire because it's cool. But only if I can colorize my armor and have a heavily shielded 4 repeating medium laser cannons and 2 heavy medium laser cannons. Oh and 2 Defensive turrets and 2 medium laser cannons that are built into the cockpit for rear defensive purpose.
@@sinisterisrandom8537 yo dude, the empires pretty chill
what fucking flaws, it was stated multiple times in lore that you can hit object when jumping and miscalculating
This is one of the few instances where I will accept sound in space.
Sound may not travel in space, but the aftershock of a hyperspace collision would create ripples in space that would work like soundwaves, and more.
theres sound in every single star wars dogfight
@@vertigo042 Way besides the point, why would you even bother saying that?
large enough pulses of magnetic fields will turn every piece of metal nearby into a speakers.
not really tho
@@johnhagala3622 yes actually however
Man.... that would’ve made things look all the more hopeless if Holdo’s manuever did nothing. Would’ve been a good subversion too 😅
Yeah, and Rian supposedly is all about that subversion.
an actual good subversion that doesn't fuck over the trilogy you're working on.
I mean I can see it disabling the first order carrier for a while if they had to overcharge the shields or something like that, long enough for the rebels to escape. It would have been more interesting if they went that route but nooo lets do an anime katana slash scene instead
@@matteocesa9017 Yeah, that could've worked too. At the very least, it'd be a distraction. But in no way would it be believable to destroy the Supremacy.
@@matteocesa9017 no denying that it wasn’t a badass visual though.
This is what we needed 👏🏼 well done
Lol yes
Michael Jae legends
Michael what are you doing here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I just came here from one of your videos thinking I was still watching a ".25x speed" video. After checking your profile, I wondered why you'd only posted 1 comment on your channel :P
I didn't wanted Leia to die tho but agreed the scene makes much more sense now.
_In coming years, as the First Order crushed the final remnants of resistance and established the Eternal Empire, The term 'Holdo Maneuver' would become a slang across the galaxy, a wickedly tasteful insult meaning an act of supreme idiocy, pilot error on a scale unimaginable. Historical documents (politely censored to avoid mentions of early rebellion) would attribute this to one Amilyn Holdo, a politician without any formal military or naval training whatsoever, granted incomprehensible sole command of a battle cruiser, executing a lightspeed jump into a fully shielded ship many times her own vessels mass, resulting in her absolute destruction and minimal damage to the target. "You just Holdo'ed yourself!" would be heard mockingly by many rookie pilots for centuries to come who had just planted their trainee repulsorcrafts into the ground._
The new Empire sounds pretty based.
Get a life, nerd
Brilliant
True
That was a pretty good world-building piece you wrote.
I thought this was gonna just be some meme that cuts up the footage. I'm happy to say I was wrong because this looks amazing!
When I first saw it in theaters, I thought: wow! That was so cool! Why didn’t they ever do that before?
The next day: wait, why didn’t they do that before? Has this always been an option?
The day after: This was all a poorly executed cash grab, wasn’t it...?
Pretty much
Yep. Think most people thought that. When i saw TLJ i enjoyed it. Then when I had time to think...like 60 minutes after I got home, i realized all the errors
i've been tricked backstabbed and quite possibly bamboozled
It was made in the clone wars series aswell as in the classic star wars comics.
Also, why not go even further with your argument, why didn't they use seisimic charges ofteb? Why didn't they use defence fleets for the Death Star? And so on.
@@darkwolf4434 Why not make missles with hyperdrives? You would still get the same result.
So this scene brought up an interesting question: if you’re able to shoot through huge ships like that using a hyperdrive, why not have a hyperdrive launcher? Like a gun that shoots a small “ship” that’s just a hyperdrive. Sure it could be pretty expensive, but you only need one accurate shot to take down a whole capital ship.
Basically just strap a hyperdrive engine to a lump of space rock and aim towards target.
That's why before this new AU crap, the original lore says why this maneuver isn't a thing, because when you see ships suddenly shoot off into hyperspace space, they aren't actually speeding up, it's just an illusion of the ship enter the hyperspace dimension, it's why if you watch the ships image distorts and distents and stretches, it's like when entering a black hole, others see you moving super fast but it's just light being bent and distorted
@@DeathSithe92 I never knew that, but that makes so much sense. Did Disney just not read up on the HIGHLY popular source material AT ALL?
@@skelofun welp, this is whats makes the newest star wars movies horseshit after all. Honestly feels like a different and worst franchise tbh
traveling at light speed, then launch a missile - double light speed!
The conversation happening behind Poe and Leía:
“Ligma can still save us.”
“Are your last words really going to be a stupid joke?”
*Pats shoulder* “Ligma balls.”
*explosion*
N̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶O̶w̶l̶ Some Rebel dude: Nooooooo
Lmao so stupid i love it
Would've actually been consistent with Poe's character in the movie, considering the first thing he did was make a yo mama joke
@@girl-xk2db I thought they were talking about the two people to the left of Leia and Poe, since one had a hand on the others shoulder
"Jesus Space Christ can you not?-" *they all die*
well, THAT subverted my expectations.
“Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?” - Han Solo, Star Wars: Episode IV, A New Hope.
Actually it's almost impossible to hit a star by accident even if we traveled for many years with tenfold of light speed.
@@mortalkomment8028 Well, you generally are trying to get at least near one, so it'd just be flying a tiny bit to far.
(Lucas era book lore) hyperdrives work by tearing a hole in real space for a split second and kicking the ship through it at or near light speed to access hyperspace, where physics are a bit more lax enabling practical travel times over intersteller distances. Objects in real space cast mass shadows in hyperspace which become more dangerous the larger they are, potentially being as hard as the object itself (which would be unaffected in real space). As such most hyperdrives have a safety built into them that dumps them back into real space if one is detected (kind of like collision avoidance applying the brakes on a modern car) but they are sometimes damaged or removed by outlaws as interdictors trick that particular system by projecting an artificial gravity well that makes it believe there is a planet in the way.
So the "Holdo manuver" is theoretically possible, if you manage to get the right course and time it so the target is between the start of the jump and the hyperspace entrance, and disable the safety so it doesnt avoid the giant metal planet in front of you.
And as this video so aptly points out, shields (Ray and Particle) are still a thing, and 1 ships suicide is a far cry from being pounded on by an entire asteroid field for hours/days because Vader said to.
@@ronaldthompson4989 I wondered that, if Hyperspace is like a dimension outside of normal space, how would a star or supernova affect those in hyperspace. I like the idea that massive objects (stars, planets, black holes, ect) might also affect hyperspace around them.
@@ronaldthompson4989 That really depends on the velocity of the objects in question. One ship traveling at 0.9 times the speed of light has 7.29E16J/kg of energy. For reference, that's 10,000 times larger than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima (15kTons TNT or 63E12J)... per kg. Take all this energy and put it into 1E-12 of a second, and you have WAY WAY more power than asteroids being flung at you over days.
An asteroid traveling at 100km/s (or not even 0.0004 times the speed of light) (also, average impact speed for asteroids is only 18km/s) only has 1.44E10J/kg, or 100 times *smaller* than the Hiroshima bomb. Even a megaton bomb, at 4E15J, would be more energy than many asteroid impacts. And the power requirements are obviously much smaller due to the much much larger time scale of the impact (as the relative speed of each object would necessitate that a "slow" asteroid would take longer to impact than a near lightspeed ship).
So yeah, I can believe that the hyperspace ramming ship would do more damage than asteroid impacts. The problem with the hyperspace ramming scene isn't the resulting damage. The energies and power involved are gigantic. The problem is that it works at all because of what it says about the rest of the universe. No way someone doesn't just make a near lightspeed kinetic torpedo. And how could you miss the Deathstar? You can't miss the Deathstar, it's basically a moon. Was it too big for it to be taken out due to its own gravity field? Then what about the Executor class star destroyers? Those things are similar size to the First Order ship. No one even tried to assassinate Vader while he was on board by doing a hyperspace kamikaze run? Come on.
I love how utterly disappointed Leia looks.
I think while this scene was shot, Carrie Fisher was contemplating that this actually might be the very last movie she will be seen in. The facial expression came quite naturally then.
Trust me, she wasn't the only one.
I love Leia's face! I have no idea what that expression was supposed to be in the original context, but in here, it fits perfectly as "...and what the fuck did she think she would achieve...?"
It’s supposed to a look of sadness.
@@AbbeyThoughts Not convincing enough.
@@jaieregilmore971 Are you really shitting on Carrie's performance in order to hate the sequels? Geez
@@JohannesPetrusI Nope they just underutilized her character in the whole movie just to put that purple head what’sherface to be in charge and you want to talk about a shitty performance take a look at Rise of skywalker that crap was disturbing with the fact that Carrie is already dead could have just have Luke live and come back in episode 9 but no they just want there Jedi master who actress already pass away they could have a funeral in the beginning of episode 9 for Leia passing and a tribute of Carrie.
Love the idea of the shields holding up, it could have made some turbulence but that's just me
Now THIS would have subverted expectations.
I would have liked him to subvert expectations by not doing the movie.
No subversion, given the lore this is what should have happened.
Using a hyperdrive has you exit real space and negates your mass but gravity is still relevant. During the spool up you would be from a real space perspective be rapidly decreasing mass. And if you hit anything while still playing lip service to real space it would notice you less and less so. Whereas you would notice it rather abruptly.
This is what fans would expect. We also knew it was Disney and all unceremoniously decried what we were watching as we knew it was going to work. Admittedly, I would expect some burnishing on the ship hit and maybe some discoloration but that is it.
It should have been a massive L.
@@richardbrooksshnee Nah, would've still subverted expectations because we would've expected _something_ to stop the stupidity. Some heroic something or another to intervene because no one could be that stupid and wasteful, right?!?
@@richardbrooksshnee The physics of hyperspace travel are secondary. What's more important is how stupidly contrived this is. Multiple times during that movie, the heroes are placed in no-win scenarios, then the villains act like complete morons for no justifiable reason, just so they can be defeated:
- During the rbel escape from planet whatever, Hux keeps his three destroyers as far away from the rebel fleet as possible, then sends his absurdly massive ship way too close with no escort, the ship destroys the already-empty base on the surface instead of shooting at the rebel fleet and when the rebels attack, Hux keeps his still-intact destroyers away from his poorly defended SSD, watching it get destroyed by these stupidly frail, slow and massive bombers, all of them getting destroyed almost as soon as they arrive, except one that reaches its target.
- Then we get Po's desperate plans to either stage a mutiny and take over the fleet, or infiltrate Snoke's ludicrously massive ship and sabotage it, all because Admiral purple hair and Leia had to act like morons and not tell their plan for escape to the one guy they knew was to anxious to just sit back and do nothing, but also too loyal to betray them and warn the First Order.
- THEN we get this stupid moment when, after everything fails, Admiral purple hair does her sacrifice, and it has to work because at that point in the story the heroes have no other options.
- AND THEN, because apparently all that, plus a fuckton of other stuff I'm leaving out (¿¿¿who's stupid enough to leave their fate on some con man they were told should not be trusted because he's only interested in money and has no allegiances???), we get YET ANOTHER repeat of all previous scenes, with the First Order bringing yet another super weapon, this time a super laser that has to be towed like a giant rock, just so Finn can repeat Admiral purple hair's sacrifice, EXCEPT NO, SURPRISE! EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED! Finn's romantic interest sacrifices herself to stop him and deliver some stupid last words as she dies and we see the First Order blast the rebel stronghold with their super laser, killing everyone inside and capturing & executing Finn, who was right there, just a few feet apart from the First Order's troops.
- EXCEPT NO, FUCK YOU, EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED AGAIN, MOTHERFUCKER! Turns out some crystal cave foxes or whatever lead the last remaining rebels out of their besieged fortress through some back door and everyone who was shot down trying to take the super laser, including Finn, who was left without a ship, somehow escapes.
I don't give a fuck if Rei is The Soecial, the granddaughter of Palpatine or some force-sentient hobo, all that's secondary. What kills me is how stupid the story itself is, how every 20 minutes we get impossible challenges resolved in absurdly contrived ways that always require someone or someones to act like absolute morons.
Seriously, ask yourself this: If they could just take out that massive super-mega star destroyer by ramming it with one of their ships, then why didn't they program the ships they were discarding to ram it? We see multiple rebel ships being destroyed during that pursuit.
@@Diego-zz1df Strong points, bad writing and stupid characters are legitimate issues. Until you think about the prequel trilogy. More of the same there. Gimme internal consistency.
I’m just glad he fixed the lasers, those weren’t even a “lore” problem, lasers don’t curve like cannon balls.
Problem is they don't seem to be lasers, I mean those aren't point defence guns that are sometimes actual lasers in Canon but these "lasers" like blasters use tabana gas iirc. Or in the case of the first order it might be some type of plasma that gets its power from a kyber crystal, like is theorised with lightsabers allthough iirc that was just a select few first order command ships.
@@alexh2947 Soooo… How does that make it curve then?
i thought they may have been ballistic missiles or torpedoes, which still wouldn't curve because they're outside the gravity well, arent they?
I always just thought they were curving towards their targets like an overcharge plasma pistol shot from halo
@@jackmrsich3178 idk man, all I'm saying is they don't behave like lasers, maybe the immense gravity from the starship causes them to gradually curve.
The movie was wrong but calling them lasers isn't right.
Honestly though, this would've been interesting to see considering the First Order is a joke the whole movie. It'd give them an actual menace to them
It will be like the ending of Rogue One and Jedi Fallen Order. Amazing, suspense, quick, breath-holding, well-done... and lore-compatible 😂😅😅
@@LyonPercival ikr? Imagine, if the ending of Fallen Order (which was brilliant btw) happened in the sequels, Rey would’ve blocked all of Vader's attacks and then would have managed to cut his hand off or something before escaping, because Rey has the most plot armour out of literally any character I’ve ever seen.
@@CaptainCoolzCT- she isn’t even a character
@@arkham_miami lol, true
Yeah, and then Palpatine doesn't need to suddenly have a whole fleet from nowhere. Cause they'd still have THIS fleet.
how can this happen but then later Poe is "hyperspeed skipping" or some shit where he just goes through solid walls and planets while going in hyperspeed?
The dumbest thing is that they didn't even *need* to introduce hyperspace skipping to fix anything, since It's only because of TROS itself that the tracker is a narrative problem.
TLJ only shows the Supremacy as capable of using it, and out-of-movie materials tell us that you need a *huge* databank suspended in a localized hyperspace field (to speed up the calculations) for it to work.
TROS then introduced TIE-fighters that are able to use the tracker, for some unexplained reason, and hyperspace skipping to explain why the tracker no longer is an issue... and then neither the tracker nor the skipping had *any* relevance to the rest of the story.
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Same with the Holdo manuever; the TLJ novelization *did* give us an explanation for why only The Raddus could be used to do this; saying it had experimental shields which allowed it to basically turn into a giant blaster bolt as it was vaporized against the Supremacy.
It's not a good explanation, and it kinda contradicts the fact that Hux and others clearly knew what was going to happen, but at least it is one. Whatever. Small retcon.
Then TROS comes with the "oh, it was a one-in-a-million shot!" bullshit, which makes even *less* sense... and then it *fucking happens again* at the end of TROS.
Kylo: "Wait--What happened? WHERE ARE THEY?"
Hux: "I don't know. They must have hyperjets on that thing!"
Kylo: "And what have we got on this thing, a Cuisinart?!"
Hux: "prepare ship for ludicrous speed"
Kylo: "What are we always preparing for? just go!"
Hux: "Ludicrous speed, GO!"
Phasma smacks both of them, grabs Hux, and leaves. Living happily ever after far away from the stupidity.
i understand that reference XD
Nah not a cuisinart it's stocked up to the brim with lean cuisines
“WE BRAKE FOR NO ONE”
They did that in the movie and then I'm sitting there like... SERIOUSLY? WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT AT THE DEATH STAR THEN???
You seriously don’t know how war works do you.
@@caylya7869 clearly neither do you
@@caylya7869 🤓
Yeah it pretty much retroactively creates a ton of plot holes. It also shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what hyperspace is, and how shields work.
@@sebb3301 huh my… BROTHER?!?!
“Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”
-Han Solo
tf u getting at
Whilst in hyperspace you are unable to hit any objects. BUT, objects with a strong gravitational pull, such as a star, will pull the ships out of the subspace that is hyperspace
Now let's HYPERSPACE SKIPPING!
That quote doesn't mean the Holdo manoeuvre "breaks lore"
Of course flying through a ball of hot gas or a supernova would fuck you up, it has nothing to do with a ship colliding with another ship at near light speed
@@_kiwi_247 it was two examples Han gave of many things that they could collide with. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t want to try colliding with anything
Well done. You have captured it so well.
Leia's probably thinking "dang I should've put Poe in charge after all."
That all happened because Holdo didn’t perform the simple action of telling him the plan. Think about it, if Holdo told him the plan, Poe wouldn’t have done his own mission with Rose and Finn and brought back DJ, who ended up telling the First Order that the pods jumped ship and left for Crait, and the escape pods would have touched down without a hitch, and everyone would be alive, but NO, admiral bitchhead Holdo didn’t feel the need to tell Poe that they had a plan and didn’t think AT ALL that he’d tried to do something on his own to save everyone
I’m still wondering how the execution troopers took so damn long to “execute” them. Like they must have been holding their laser axes up for a while, even after phasma gave the commsndn
Often in movies, a director will shoot the scenes in such a way as to have them happening at the same time. But we the audience see them seperately. The scenes are often filled with quick cutbacks to the other scene (like in the original scene in the movie).
Im still wondering how poeple still dorm understand "movie magic" of showing something happening seemingly slowly to add to the dramatic effect.
@@vooyas.mp4 because in certain scenes (like this one) it's more stupud and obvious than dramatic
I was already checked out of the movie long before getting to that scene.
I think I folded after the Leia Poppins scene.
*Leia voice*
"My disappointment is immeasurable and my plan is ruined"
Just about sums up the “sequels”
I thought it would have caused Leah to even say something out of awe for the fact the Supremacy, despite its somewhat mortal would, continued to operate. I couldn't imagine surviving the kinetic energy from a forced hyperspace object striking a real world vessel.
That's why I never liked this "Holdo Maneuver". It makes no sense, ridicules canon, and disrespects the fans who remembered a young Luke Skywalker who by using his newly discovered force abilities, uses them to time his attack on the Death Star, dealing it a true mortal blow.
This mess needs to disappear into Krypton's "Phantom Zone" and never sully the good name of Star Wars again.
can we just appreciate the effects there, that looked really good
True
The money shot of the movie
No
@@jgonzalez5884 Yes
If it were a viable weapon like that, every looter in the galaxy would have a hyperspace-capable missile.
Yes... which is how that would actually work, no reason why near light speed ramming wouldn't work
@@frankishe7317 Except it breaks the point in most ships in star wars, and fucks up previous movies. Why have a capitol ship if any shmuck can ram a hyper space engine sized missile into it at light speed? Why go through all the effort in the original trilogy to blow up the Death Stars when you can just get an auto piloted or droid piloted capitol ship of your own to ram the Death Star at light speed? Hell, why not get a decent sized ship to light speed ram into the canon on Starkiller Base?
All these giant risky missions, all these huge efforts to bring these planet destroying goliaths down, all the capitol ship space battles, everything like that would be pointless if you could just point an empty ship at them or a hyper space engine sized missile at them and be done with them in an instant.
@TheDaxter11 realistically this was always a threat, I was fine with it, probably the only thing I didn't mind in the movie lol
@@TheDaxter11 wait so is there any other reason than that why this doesn’t work lore wise? Is there a defense mechanism on ships to prevent this?
@@babyyoda6567 I wouldn't know lore wise but I imagine so, besides it would probably be stupidly expensive.
yoo we need more of these movie mistake correction videos
i love the facial expressions, almost like they are saying 'God that was dumb'
He even straightened the lasers! What a legend!
The ghost of General Akbar: "I could've told her that wouldn't have worked, but she always hated crab-splaining".
Or is it fish-splaining, or shrimp-splaining?
I told you it's a trap!
@@chriswong8821 ceph-splaining I think.
@@userequaltoNull Crysis reference or just a funny squid joke?
@@professionalpussypetter2929 but Admiral Akbar's people are called the "Mon Callimari" hence squid, hence cephalopods. Even though the Quarren look much more like squids.
It broke the Star Wars universe's rules so bad they had to later retcon it in a novel that the crashing ship magically had experimental shield system (which wasnt in anyway different than normal shield lmao). It's as bad as "somehow Palpatine returned"
I love how in this version, Leia's expression at 0:30 is like "you moron"
Lol
She’s like “this is who I put in charge of fleet”
Leia: And I criticized Poe for what again?
And Poe has an "I am going to die but I told you so face"
This is so funny because it works so well. Their faces match perfectly
I don’t think Disney realised that by adding the hyperspace ram to cannon they essentially ruined a lot of the big space battles from the ot and prequels. Like imagine the rebellion had just got a big ship to hyperspace into the death star 2, this just leaves people questioning why this wasn’t done throughout every Star Wars film
This👆
Disney should at least know what they are working with before making a movie in it
@@JetstreamSam343 disney should have continued to make princess movies
@@leirbag646 they did exactly this.
The rebellion would never have the resources to do this.
yes, because the rebellion had a lot of BIG ships to actualy ram into anything....
or the manpower.....
Or thought they would have the luck to actualy enter hyperspace at the EXACT right moment....
The holdo manevuer is canonicly a 1 in what was it? billion? chance
Its also a pretty assive Ship, hitting a massive ship at a STRUCTURAL WEAKPOINT and still not obliterating it but only that specific section.
We had Star destroyers pulling asteroids trough hyperspace for Planetary bombardmends in legends... this dosnt break any more shit then that
🤣🤣🤣🤣Po and Leia’s faces just scream “dammit Holdo”.
I think it's pronounced Holdum. Lol
@@kcbros1515 No
@@kcbros1515 nope it is indeed holdo
@@MyUsersDark it was a joke calling her dumb xD
Read it as Hondo now imagine Hondo comes in instead and saves the day... for a price.
That was better than the actual scene.
This actually how it should have been.
If the Executor's shields can survive being hyperspace rammed by several star destroyers, the Supremacy's shields can definitely block a single Mon Cal cruiser
What about the Executor?
@@andyjacobs7010 in some comic i think, the Executor was hyperpsace rammend by several star destroyers, as mentionend above
@@gurrigetaube6995 I actually have no idea what you are talking about if you think hyperspace ramming had ever previously occurred.
According to a wiki on ramming, there once was an incident when an imperial fleet came out of hyperspace and accidentally rammed into the Executor (Star Wars: Race for Survival), but that was all just accidental ramming in realspace, not hyperspace (just like that frigate that got destroyed by the Devastator coming out of hyperspace in Rogue One).
The Holdo Maneuver should never have worked, made for shock and awe that makes zero logical sense. As Finn said in Episode IX, that was a "One in a million shot."
You are confusing things because if hyperspace ramming was 'normally' possible, it would be a good and used tactic.
There was a Hyperspace ram in a old Star Wars comic where the empire prepared for an attack on Yavin because the Executor had just been constructed. Admiral Griff was in control of an imperial fleet that had been blockading the planet for a long time. I'm not really sure what happened but I think Griff wanted to be the one to destroy the Alliance and attacked before Vader arrived with the Executor and chased the Alliance, the Executor had arrived before they had expected it to and they rammed right into it with what I think was 3 Star Destroyers.
(This is just what I remember and I've also made assumptions based on them, so I could be wrong about some things.)
@@andyjacobs7010 If you're a rebellion with limited resources, sacrificing one of your 5 ships to blow up 1 ship in a massive fleet of ships without even targeting the command deck is a terrible strategy. Holdo was just a terrible tactician. Because of her poor strategy, the *entire Resistance* was reduced to cramming into the Millennium Falcon. (though to be clear, Po's no tactical genius either, as he lost them all of their horrible Star Fortress bombers they had in place of Y-Wings.
They knew Snoke's ship was tracking them through hyperspace, and not the rest of the FO fleet. The better strategy would have been to split up the fleet and regroup later. Instead the entire fleet ran away in the same direction.
It would have been much more thematically poignant if the FO was able to track Leia specifically through her connection to Kylo Ren rather than some special tracking technology, culminating in Leia sacrificing or at least surrendering herself so the Resistance could escape. It would have fit well into the film's theme of "letting the past die so the future can live".
Now that's a subversion of my expectations
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Fun fact: Vice Admiral Holdo didn't try to hit the Star Destroyer but was trying to escape. She just didn't know how to drive.
lmao if that was the truth XD
Woman moment
Facts!
I mean with a one in a million chance of hitting the ship you cant tell me she wasn't trying to escape
I see what you're trying to say but I think that's kind of sexist
Hux: "Bruh Momento?"
Officer: "Bruh Momento."
Holdo to Poe at the beginning of TLJ: "Quit pulling hotshot flyboy maneuvers or you're going to get yourself killed."
Holdo at the end of TLJ: *Pulls hotshot flygirl maneuver and gets herself killed.
And fails at it too
"It sorta rhymes."
"Told you"
This is one of the points that makes this scene so beautifully schizophrenic. Not only does it break the entire star wars universe (a droid in a X wing would have taken care of the death star), but it also contradicts the movie where 100 bombers were needed to do what one could have done according to this scene. That it contradicts itself in a narrative sense too is just grand and really drives home that this movie was a 'first draft' written by a committee that was more concerned with getting in their quota of toxic female archetypes than of cultivating the story or the universe.
@@RN1441 B-but how the movie makes you _feeeeel??_
I like this version of events a lot better
If you could hyperspace ram other ships, space combat would be pointless ... just create hyperspace torpedos
I like this version better, only because then Rise of Skywalker would have never happened. Lmao
@@taladon6420
You do realize that it only worked because of the size of the ship, right? Starship hulls and particle shields handle hyperspace bombardment from micro-particles every time they enter hyperspace.
@@bluehero-96 You should read some EU. In one scene in particular 3 Star Destroyers that just existed hyperspace right above the Executor were flattened on her shields.
@@bluehero-96 You could easily make a raddus-sized chunk of solid metal with a hyperdrive attached to it for significantly less money than the raddus itself and use that to , apparently, annihilate entire battlefleets. Talk about a cost-effective way to wage war. All those mon cal ships at endor? Just use one mon-cal sized hyperspace torpedo aimed at the executor and the entire fleet over endor is dead.
Can we have an episode 9 out of this ending?
With so many characters dead, not only the plot should be focused this time, but the last minute additions would make way more sense!
Of course. Rey is still alive, and I think the only thing of significance done by any other character in that film was Poe getting the disc to allow them to land on a first order ship
@@Gorbz ,
Which made no sense... a 'disk' isn't enough to board a warship... unless any idiot can enter the hangar bay of a warship unnoticed, unchallenged...
@@aralornwolf3140 Well Kylo did fly through the hangar of the Raddus unnoticed and unchallenged earlier in the movie.
@@drosera88 ,
He was getting shot at by Raddus' weapons.... That's not exactly 'unchallenged'.... and if he did land, he would have been taken into custody... and he could have been hailed at any point, if it wasn't you, know, a _battle._
And, that was in Episode VIII, we were talking about Episode IX.
@@aralornwolf3140 My bad. I'm still in a state of confusion after watching the last of the sequels. They kind of blur together like a bad acid trip.
I think if this happened it would’ve actually been very interesting from a story perspective. The resistance is already on their last leg, and then their sole warship is wiped out in a completely futile move,
Let's say that maybe it just rocks Snoke's ship, breifly stunning the First Order, which gives the Resistance time to actually get on the planet