Just Flight Hawk T1 | Low-Level in the Alps | Full Flight Review | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video we carry out a review of the Just Flight Hawk T1, within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We will be taking the aircraft on a low-level flight through the Swiss Alps, to put the product through its paces and see what the Just Flight T1 has to offer.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
MSI B550M
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 4.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight! - Ігри
Thanks for the review, really enjoyed it and good to see it in 'a new environment' - a couple of pointers from JF's FDE designer (i.e. me!) Take-off trim, the POH states neutral as default, but obviously that is going to be CG dependant. As it loads up, it's on the forward side of the CG and it's only really if you start loading weapons as well as full fuel that you head towards the rear half of the CG range. That's actually where neutral trim works, the POH does suggest 'up to 2 units' of nose up trim (so two notches on the trim gauge) for any forward CG situation.
Going on to the stall / spin situation you looked at - again, from the POH: "The low speed behaviour of the aircraft is docile; the aircraft is fully controllable down to the point of stall (CL max) and the controls remain effective even beyond the stall. The stall itself is not obvious but the aircraft may be flown under control until the control column is fully aft. Recovery at all stages is immediate when the control column is eased forward."
CL max for the wing on the T1 is 13 degrees.
Spinning (again, POH, summarised but direct quotes with nothing unnecessary removed. Otherwise, you'd be reading for hours): "General: The aircraft is very spin resistant . . . it can be made to spin by the use of recommended techniques. If the controls are mishandled the characteristics will vary and the spin may become very agitated. To enter the spin, close the throttle, smoothly and progressively apply full rudder in the intended direction of the spin and simultaneously apply full aft stick ensuring that the ailerons remain neutral."
Recommended entry height for a spin is 25,000 - 30,000 ft and if recovery has not occurred by 5,000 ft the recommended course of action is to eject. Well done with your recovery in the vid!!!!
I hope that's all of use, I think it addresses a fair bit of what you AND OTHERS have perceived as a weak point of the Hawk. Given the restrictions on what we can actually adjust in the flight model and that this is nowhere near where I wanted it to be as a direct result (i.e. we had far more control in FSX/P3D), I don't think it's too shabby!
Hi Delta,
Glad you enjoyed the review! Thanks very much for the feedback and indeed all of your hard work on the Hawk!
I do apologise, I seem to have been somewhat wide of the mark with some of my analysis then. I always try and do my homework ahead of a review, but unfortunately going through the POH is a bit outside of what me free time allows (I do try my best to state when comments are conjecture etc though). From your post, it seems like you've got the Hawk nailed down pretty well then!
I have pinned your comment, so hopefully it should be clearly visible to viewers (and clarify any inaccuracies on my part).
I'm sure you have better things to do, but in future if you notice me leading the audience off down the garden path during a preview vid, please feel free to get in touch and I'll be more than happy to reconsider things for any final review!
Thanks again (everyone is loving the Hawk), all the best! : )
Hi, please enlighten me. To what does the acronym JF FDE expand. Sounds fascinating. I wonder if we could continue this dialogue by a forum other than OooToob to avoid clogging up these remarks pages?
I think that I recall (!) that to accelerate the spin, easing the stick forward a little could work, and that during the spin it really didn't matter what you did with the ailerons - until starting the recovery.
An interesting review, thanks.
As a retired FJ Nav with over 3000 hrs, incl about 40 in the back seat of the Hawk, I’d offer the following:
1. FJs do not “creak” when you pull “G”. The onset of this noise at 4G is rubbish.
2. 4 G is normal, you have a G suit on, and it doesn’t stress trained FJ aircrew one bit, so the breathing noises are an unnecessary theatric.
3. At 6 G you have to work a bit, especially if you are holding onto the grab bars, looking behind you and giving the pilot a running commentary on the “fight”.
4. The Hawk has a very violent, erratic, spin.
5. At high level, Fl 330 ish, it has the same fuel consumption as a LandRover, and can go for miles.
But the JF Hawk is fun to fly, just like the real thing.
Rgds
Chris
Cheers Chris, my pleasure on the review! Thanks very much for the comment - always great to have someone with real-world experience, offering up some insight.
1. Interesting to know regarding the sounds. Do you notice much change in wind noise etc when manoeuvring? I suppose the sounds could either have been a “best guess”, or perhaps Just Flight’s attempt at giving the user a bit more “feedback” about what the aircrafts doing etc (as the user is of course lacking all of the other cues one might get from the real experience). Personally I don’t mind the odd “bogus” sound, if it’s making up for the sims shortfalls (I know others would disagree with me on that one though).
2 / 3. Haha, well maybe the 4G breathing was based on my own athletic ability, as opposed to the average FJ guy XD
Perhaps it would be good if Just Flight bumped the breathing fx threshold up to around 6G from what you’ve said. . .
4. It sounds like Just Flight did a decent job with the spin characteristics then? Their FDE dev actually posted an insightful comment (which I’ve now pinned) regarding some of my criticisms / observations; it seems like the flight modelling is closer to the real thing than I had presumed (though I did state it was only a “best guess” on my part). As I (now) understand it; the Hawk stalls pretty sedately, it’s quite hard to get the aircraft into a spin, but rather aggressive once you’ve got it into one (as you allude to)?
5. I’ve heard numerous aviators over the years, commenting on just how much fun the Hawk is. Just Flight certainly delivered in that department! Seems everyone is very much enjoying the little jet.
Thanks once again for taking the time to comment, much appreciated!
All the best : )
Err, in my limited experience of flying the T1 in the front seat, my dim memory is that, the 'normal' upright spin wasn't as bad as you suggest. Ref your para 5, part of the sales pitch was a claim that after an hour of G.H. out of Valley one could divert as far as Nice.
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Fast pointy jet things are definitely noisier whilst airborne than when stationary on the ground.
If one is airborne and it all goes jolly quiet, you're probably going to be quite busy.
Alternatively, the "ballast" sitting behind one has had a microphone failure!
The engine start sounds are absolutely mesmerizing.
Seriously wow!
You can really feel it.
Hi Vlad,
Yeah, they’re brilliant aren’t they! Especially that low growl during the startup (my favourite sound on the aircraft overall haha). They are some of the best startup sounds I’ve heard on any sim aircraft to date in fact!
Cheers, all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Also my favorite although I'm flying the 45 for now.
I'll just watch your vid for now until the hawk comes to the marketplace.
I recommend you try the alpha jet mod.
Cheers Vlad, I’ll look into it! There’s a tonne of mods I keep meaning to try. . .
All the best : )
Thanks, just about to take my second sim fight in this Hawk so really have enjoyed and benefited from your flight. Clear positive audio explaining everything you are doing. Makes my learning curve much easier.
Ah well thanks very much, that’s really great to hear! I generally try and make my reviews a bit of a tutorial and a full flight in their own right; I figure it makes them of more help / interest in the long run. It’s brilliant fun getting started out in the Hawk, hopefully you’ll enjoy it.
Thanks again and happy flying! : )
Your content is by far some of the best out there for flight sim, I love that you narrate your knowledge of the local area and describe what you're doing with the airplane all the time, it adds such a level of detail and reality to the videos! Thank you!
Well, thank you very much indeed for the kind words, Drarf! Hugely appreciated and I’m really happy to hear that you’re enjoying the content : )
My pleasure and all the best to you!
I was looking for a review before I purchased this plane, but what I really enjoyed was your flight commentary - I could listen to that all day!
Thanks very much FP&G!
Haha it’s funny; my voice / commentary style is apparently like Marmite - some people like it, some people hate it. Obviously I’m stuck with it either way, so it’s nice to hear that some people enjoy it anyway XD
I’m glad you enjoyed the flight. I hope you’re also enjoying the Hawk (if you picked it up)!
Cheers and all the best : )
I loved that i can t get enough of your flights Chris
Ah well, many thanks for the kind words, Chris! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content to such a degree : )
Cheers and all the best!
Very good review. Thanks. I grabbed this bird as soon as it was released. Very impressed with the systems depth. It complements this remarkable simulator beautifully.
Thanks very much Paul, my pleasure!
Glad you’re enjoying the Hawk. It is indeed a very nice addition to the sim and fits very nicely with what MSFS has to offer. One of my favourite aircraft in the sim currently, I’ve been having a tonne of fun with it.
Happy flying! : )
Nice video Blue! Great to get in the front seat of the Hawk, I’ll be sure to keep it all smooth for your cup of tea in back. :)
Keep the vids up. Really enjoy them :)
Cheers Norcat!
Thanks very much once again! Sorry for the slow reply, UA-cam occasionally decides not to give me notifications for messages, no idea why. . . Really glad you enjoyed the video (and indeed the content in general) - I should certainly hope you keep the flying nice and smooth up front haha. Spilt tea is definitely going to result in a dressing-down during the debrief! XD
Cheers, all the best! : )
everything i've bought from just flight until now have been a pure enjoyment for me. Espesially the Arrows, i've flown more in those planes than the flybywire a320 wich says allot cause the Flybywire 320 is amazing
Completely agree Gallant Doffy! Everything they’ve put out in the sim to date has been excellent, not to mention great fun. It’s great to see. I’ve been a supporter of Just Flight for years, so I’m happy that they’ve really laid down the gauntlet within MSFS.
I really must take the Arrow out for another spin myself; if only I could put the Hawk down for 30 mins or so. . .
Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations what arrow would you recommend getting from just flight, the arrow III or the turbo?
Hi Tanberjan,
Personally I would go for the Turbo Arrow. Both are very good, but the Turbo Arrow is a more capable aircraft in terms of performance, so obviously it’s a little more versatile, also with the Turbo version you get both the T-tail and the standard tail variants (so a little bit more variety), with the normal Arrow you don’t. Both aircraft are nice, but if I could only choose one, it would definitely be the Turbo.
Hope that helps a bit! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the advice! I was leaning towards the turbo, will make it my next purchase, after the hawk t1 !
My pleasure! That’s a nice little shopping list haha. The Hawk is definitely well worth it. Enjoy! : )
Thanks for the nice review (and preview). Bought this before watching your vids (well I am a bit late heh) but the videos were enjoyable and the plane really is great! I'm on Just Flights mailing list and the other day I got an email from them about the patch for the Hawk and it had a few quotes from reviewers including one from yourself, so congrats!
Hey Megadyptes, hope all is going well! : )
Haha, cheers. The Hawk is excellent isn’t it! Haven’t had a chance to try 1.1 yet, but looking forward to it (mostly so I can look back and see my buddy in the rear seat ha).
Hehe, yes indeed; “look Mum, I’m on the tellevi. . . ahem. . . email”! I must say, the first time Just Flight included me in one it was rather surreal. I’ve been a Just Flight customer for nearly 15 years now, never thought I’d get a mention from them haha.
Cheers!
Great vid as always. I now like before watching as I know the quality will be really high.
Agree with everything you said, such a joy to fly & I spent a good 15mins just looking over the model, so realistic!
A little disappointed that you didn't team up with friends to perform an official aerobatic display complete with tricolour smoke. Slacker! 😜
Well thanks very much Dan! It’s always gratifying to hear such things of course; I’m glad I’ve managed to keep the quality up to a standard you’re enjoying : )
Haha! I know, I know. . . but with most of my mates, it would have been a pretty tragic aerobatic display! XD
Cheers!
Enjoyed this review and it was very well presented. Liked it that much I bought it and can't wait to give it a proper flight as all i have done so far is powered up the engines and listed to the superb sound. Thank you
Thanks very much Dave, my pleasure! Glad you enjoyed the video and found it compelling enough to want to pick up the Hawk. Hope you have fun with it and that the jet lives up to your expectations. Hopefully you’ll get the chance to try it out a bit more thoroughly soon haha.
Happy flying! : )
Fantastic review again. I'm just about to get this based on this great video. Thanks.
Hi Rog, thanks very much! My pleasure as always.
Well I do hope you enjoy the Hawk (as much as I do) then! Happy flying : )
Its a great circuit with some stunning scenery - thanks for the video!
My absolute pleasure on the video Al, I’m glad you enjoyed the scenery etc : )
Cheers and all the best!
This is the one I have been waiting for. Wow the engines sound so good. And just in general the details of the aircraft. There's going too be some hour's of fun with this aircraft especially we have smoke now too. Watch out the Mac loop.
and worth waiting for it certainly was! An excellent addon and a brilliant little jet - I’ve certainly had many hours of fun in it already myself. If you’ve picked it up, I hope you’re enjoying it also : )
Haha, didn’t get a chance to look at the weekend, but I’d imagine there was a traffic jam on the Mach Loop! XD
Cheers!
I always instantly like your videos, you make them look so good !! This one is no exception, outstanding production values IBS !!
Well thanks very much indeed coffeeguy!
Of course it’s always nice to hear when people are enjoying the content and I try my best to keep the quality consistent; so it’s really great to know that you tune in with high expectations : D
I’ll try my best to keep it up haha!
Thank you very much once again. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Apologies, for some reason I've only just seen your reply !! Oh, you are more than welcome and the praise is well deserved in my opinion. You are consistently providing top quality and fun content, my go-to UA-camr for flight sim stuff without a doubt ! I'm ex-RAF as well so have a big interest in flying. Just wish I'd done better at school. If I could go back in time I would become a pilot and with MSFS 2020 being so good it has definitely given me and lots of people the chance to indulge in flying without great expense !! Keep up the great work IBS, just brilliant mate, cheers, Daz.
Well, it’s very kind of you to say and very much appreciated!
Haha, I think most of us use flight simulation for the same reason; it’s a great outlet for trying the things in life that we wish we’d done otherwise (but perhaps never will). I certainly enjoy MSFS (and other sims), because it gives me the opportunity to fly aircraft I’ll probably never be allowed near the controls of, it lets me fly around some parts of the world that I’ll never visit etc. Sadly I don’t have the opportunity to do any GA flying at the minute either, so the sim definitely fills that hole also. I’m glad that MSFS / flight simulation gives you some outlet for the flying bug, that’s one of the reasons I’ve always enjoyed the hobby; much more accessible and certainly much cheaper!
Cheers Daz, all the best! : )
Excellent video, many thanks. I viewed your previous videos on this product, so today it’s really good to see it again, and of course the scenery is spectacular. I appreciate your hard work in putting this video together and of course Just Flight have produced a fantastic add on for MS FS 2020, the veritable Hawk T1, the Red Arrows as we all love and know so well. Impressive !. I will be purchasing this. Just a small mention, I still notice slight morphing of the mountains as you fly past. You can see the sharp details of the mountains from a distance, but as you approach the mountains their edges tend to smooth out and morph slightly, as if being stretched, it’s difficult to describe but I guess “ morphing “ is the terminology. I hope Asobo can fix this. A temporary solution is to increase terrain level of detail to 400, but that can seriously affect FPS in some areas. Please don’t let this observation affect the excellence of your video, it’s just something I noticed. I know terrain morphing can be an issue even with a fully updated MS FS 2020 to date. I’m sure Asobo will introduce a fix in the future.
Thanks very much once again sir! Glad you enjoyed the flight.
The Hawk is a truly excellent product from Just Flight, happy to be able to do it a little bit of justice. Have you picked it up yourself now then? If so, I do hope you’re having fun! : D
Yes, the terrain morphing is very unfortunate and really starting to bug me now actually haha. I tried setting 400, but didn’t notice any significant improvement myself (I definitely noticed the drop in FPS though ha). I don’t recall it being an issue early on in the sim, but now I find its worse than even FSX / P3D - really quite jarring at times. It was noticeable by its absence, during my last flight in X-Plane. As you say, hopefully Asobo will find a way to reduce the effect at the very least.
Thanks again and all the best! : )
Brilliant and enjoyable review.
Thanks very much as always John, happy you enjoyed it : )
Cheers!
Great video and awesome intro!
Thanks very much EpM! Much appreciated, glad you enjoyed it!
All the best : )
just wanted to come back to say I flew this route last night - incredibly beautiful and challenging (especially the approach to landing). Many thanks again - I will save the .pln and use again with other planes, too :)
Hi Siesta,
That's great to hear! Glad you enjoyed it. It's a great little route (if I do say so myself haha) - I definitely plan on revisiting it myself in the future.
Happy flying! : )
Thanks for sharing the route and great video as always! Have been enjoying this bird immensely, and great to have yet another place to fly. Going to run a bunch of the military training routes in the US. Started them in the T-45C, switching immediately to the Hawk! :)
Thanks Siesta, my pleasure! That little US tour sounds like fun actually - I’m not sure whether you’ll get a warm welcome though, having replaced the T-45 with a British aircraft! : P
Have fun! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Ha Ha - a Goshawk is still a HAWK! and at least your versions have teeth ;)
I'm gonna run all of them in the T1/A with Sidewinders and Aden hanging out just to flex on the USN trainer birds :)
Haha, great to hear!
Being British, the Aden will probably jam and the sidewinders are probably made of cardboard (budget cuts) - but the USN boys won’t know that! XD
God save the Queen! ; )
Absolutely love your videos. Ive purchased the Hawk T1 and I'm having trouble trying to keep it stable. Would you be kind enough to make a video explaining how you adjust your trim for level flight?
Hello Stuart,
Thank you very much for the kind words, I’m really happy to hear that you’re enjoying the content!
I’m afraid I simply don’t have the time to make a specific video on the subject, but I’d be happy to try and help all the same. How unstable are we talking here; inconvenient, or unflyable? Being a swept-wing jet, whilst the Hawk is quite docile for this type of aircraft, it’s inherently not going to be the best aircraft for cruising around (and will essentially require almost continual input from the pilot). That being said; 1) it’s worth checking that your sim’s flight model is set to “Modern”. If set to “Legacy”, that can induce strange behaviours from some addons and 2) Some addons tend to suffer as and when the sim gets updated. The Just Flight Arrows had issues with their flight models (after a previous sim update) until recently. Perhaps the same thing has happened with the Hawk. . .
I’m actually planning on reinstalling the Hawk in the coming days, so I’ll test the aircraft out and see what I find. I’ll aim to get back to you, but if you don’t hear anything for a while, please feel free to give me a nudge (I’ve been so busy of late, I fear I may forget haha).
I hope that gives at least a little clarity. Cheers and all the best! : )
Great review. I bought this yesterday and thought to check your channel to see if you’d done a video. It’s great to fly. I took her out from Valley this morning and had a blast barrelling around the countryside and up into the soaring pillars of cloud. Only disappointment from me is, like the Arrow, it seems a bit pitchy…. But I’m getting used to it.
Hi Banquet,
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video! The Hawk is indeed an absolute blast to fly, been very much enjoying it myself : )
I agree that it is perhaps a little twitchy in pitch and does have a few other minor flaws here and there as well; but on the whole it’s a bit of a masterpiece. A really excellent addition to the sim and another brilliant effort from Just Flight. Really glad you’re enjoying it as well!
All the best!
great review, sir, as well as the preview! personally I prefer this scenery, I think it’s way more pretty for the eyes as the mach-loop. I have to try this round myself! :) I hope that I will see this beauty on XBOX as well, but as I realize JustFlight prefers rather their own shop, also the Arrows aren’t available on the console… would be nice to have a community flight as a Red Arrows formation or sg like that. :D btw. that spin you finally managed to get into scared the sh.. out of me! :DDD
Thanks as always Péter - though I may have to put you in the “sin bin”, as a supporter of the channel, yet NOT preferring the Mach Loop?! : P
I agree though, it’s definitely prettier and more interesting scenery, though I do still have a soft spot for the Mach Loop myself haha.
According to Just Flight themselves, both the Hawk and the Arrow are planned for release on the Xbox. Apparently it’s taking a while for Asobo to approve the Arrow, because it has a large amount of custom code; the same will be true of the Hawk. They tentatively predict the Hawk should be available on the Xbox in around 3 months.
Haha, the spin totally caught me off guard too! I wasn’t expecting it to be *that* violent and thought for a minute I was going to have to re-record, after smashing it into the hills XD
All good fun haha!
Cheers, take care! : )
Great product from JF (as always!)
And, great video from Into the Blue Simulations (also as always)
Whenever a new addon comes out, I wait for your review. Except for JF products, I just buy those :)
Thanks once again Oisin! Very kind of you to say and much appreciated.
Haha, shhhh, don’t tell Just Flight that - otherwise they might not want me previewing things anymore : P
Jokes aside though, totally understandable. I think they’re starting to cement themselves as producing “must buy” addons for MSFS. Hopefully they continue their good work!
Cheers, all the best! : )
Fantastic aircraft and a great review
Thanks very much! Very happy you enjoyed the review; the aircraft is indeed fantastic!
Cheers, all the best : )
The external start-up sound I ran through my sub-woofer system. Sounds great!
I’ll bet that sounded awesome Stewie haha! That startup growl is my favourite sound on the whole aircraft.
Seems everyone has been sat enjoying the engine sounds haha - the thing is quite good fun to fly also! : P
Cheers : )
Nose heavy, yes. I feel the sweet spot for many of these early jet engines is more like 95% RPM for cruise. Lovey scenery! I love the work of the Just Flight team! Thanks for another great review. Can't wait to get my hands on that one.
Note my comment on trim in another post on this vid. Also, 92-93%rpm should give you 420kts at low level, that's 7 miles per minute for flight planning!
Delta558 did indeed make a very helpful post on the issue of trim, amongst other things (which I’ve pinned accordingly). Seems a little bit of trim can be called for during the takeoff after all. I gather multiples of 6 on the airspeed is the way to go when setting power - apparently those RAF chaps can’t “maths” too good ; )
But yes, overall Just Flight (and delta himself) have pulled an absolutely blinder with the Hawk! The scenery was just the icing on the cake for me haha. If you have picked up the Hawk by now, I very much hope you’re enjoying it!
Thanks very much once again and all the best! : )
the sounds are so good
Yes, they’re excellent aren’t they! I really enjoy the startup sounds in particular : )
Cheers!
Great vid, Great route. Thanks.
Thanks very much, my pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
Great preview! By the way, you flew over my house!! 😎
Haha, is that so Snocka - I'd have waved if I'd known! It's an absolutely stunning part of the world, so I envy you living there ; )
I'm really glad you enjoyed the video! Cheers and all the best : )
Time to revisit, as its released on the x box, much thanks 👍
Amazing man just wow.
Cheers James! It certainly takes things up a notch or two, making these sorts of runs in MSFS doesn’t it! The Hawk is such a brilliant aircraft also.
Glad you enjoyed it! All the best : )
The X Plane version of this was excellent too so I will love getting my hands on this at some stage. Great route though. Well done.
Thank you Mr Laker heheh! I never tried the P3D or X-Plane version of the Hawk - always wanted to though; so happy to finally have my hands on the aircraft in MSFS! I’d imagine the X-Plane version flies very nicely, given the sims flight model.
Glad you enjoyed the route, it’s quite a spectacular part of the world isn’t it!
Thanks and all the best! : )
Great review - did you have a start up checklist or was this all from memory?
Thanks very much, Simon! I was using a checklist, as provided by Just Flight : )
I hope that helps. Much appreciated and all the best to you!
I was really happy to see a landing.
Thanks very much, House RN, I’m glad you enjoyed it! . . . I find that landings are typically the best way to end a flight : P
Cheers and all the best : )
Excellent video, as always. What is the music used in the opening sequence? - brilliant choice!
Hi Max, thanks very much!
The music is called “Controlled Distress” by Biz Baz Studio; it is available from the UA-cam audio library. Glad you enjoyed it!
Cheers, all the best : )
beautiful intro, looks so real.
Thanks very much AxCYeR! Glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
Fantastic aircraft, very little to complain about. I wish the TACAN worked but i understand it's a MSFS limitation which I hope will be fixed in the near future. I do use a few degrees of nose up trim on takeoff which helps a lot, the aircraft flies pretty much hands off after takeoff as a result. My favorite thing to do is the penetration descent where i start my descent from high altitude at about 10 nm from the runway with idle thrust, airbrakes out and 350kts....just amazing how steep the descent is. Really fun aircraft to fly!
Glad your enjoying it! Indeed a working TACAN system would be nice, but that ball is firmly in Asobo’s court for the time being (and I think they have quite a few other shots they still need to return haha). I actually had the Just Flight FDE programmer clarify things a little re the trim: The JF manual calls for neutral, but depending on loadout etc, some nose up trim (as you have been doing) is actually the way to go. Like you, I’ve found the Hawk more or less glides off the runway with the trim set accordingly. A great effort from the JF team once again - still very much enjoying it myself as well!
Happy flying! Cheers : )
Nice review- I'd like to hear about any experience from flying it in VR - Ideally G2
Thanks romgeek, glad you enjoyed it!
Sorry for the slow reply; I had been hoping to get a chance to try it myself in VR and let you know. Unfortunately I’ve yet to find the time. By all accounts though, everybody seems to be enjoying it very much in VR. This is probably the man you want to talk to, for more specifics on VR / the G2:
ua-cam.com/video/0-WRpXNB0d4/v-deo.html
There are couple of other videos on the channel also, regarding the Hawk in VR. Hope it’s of some help!
All the best : )
Do the Axalp aproach in this! (Axalp shooting range of the swiss airforce, take off from LSMM and then circle over Lake brienz and do the approach. Pull and turn over Wildgärst Mt. for full realism :D )
Thanks Axonteer; I will look into it for sure! It seems one can fly almost anywhere in Switzerland and not go too far wrong ; )
It’s trying to pronounce the names that’s the tricky bit : P
Cheers, all the best! : )
just flight is, in my personal opinion, making top tier addons for msfs. gonna grab this one since you recommend it.
Completely agree Marshie! They really seem to have taken their products to a whole new level within MSFS. They are right up there as one of the best devs currently in the sim and the Hawk is my favourite MSFS product of theirs to date. I do hope that you’re enjoying it also!
Cheers and happy flying : )
A great route you picked out; I'm looking forward to trying it. Although I'll always have a soft spot for the Mach Loop, it's great to have alternatives.
This "most shiny and most red" livery was different from the one in your preview, and I saw another UA-camr using the 50th anniversary livery - not that I watch other channels, of course! Are all of them included in JF's package?
Yes they are all included. At the last minute we managed to get and include the 2021 RA livery. So 13 in total and there are also a number of repaints already done and available in the community.
@@justflight Thank you! I loved your Hawk in XP11 and it looks like a lovely product in MSFS, too. I'll be picking it up in the next few days - and when I do, I hope I'll have collected enough loyalty points to treat myself to something extra as well. :)
Haha, one of the many reasons I hugely appreciate Just Flight as a dev / company! Managed to pick up the A2A Spit in P3D V5 for “free”, thanks to their loyalty points. It doesn’t get much better than that. . .
Enjoy! : )
Hi Rich,
Glad you enjoyed the route, certainly well worth a try when you get the chance! The Mach Loop is still my fav as well, but this one is a bit more of a rollercoaster haha (arguably a bit more scenic as well). Always nice to try something new anyway. . .
Ha, indeed. Just Flight managed to give us a more red and even more shiny livery (a very pleasant surprise when installed the release version)! As stated by JF themselves, both liveries are included + a whole host of others.
Haha! No worries. . . I know we all miss-click by accident sometimes ; )
Cheers Rich, all the best! : )
dope!
Haha, cheers Loz! : )
Have you considered making a video on fighter jet flying technique? I would be interested to know how to fly these fighters and why you make the turns the way you do, some banking to the point of being upside down etc. Cheers!
Hi Lewis,
Thanks very much for the suggestion! As much as I love this sort of flying and try to reproduce things as accurately as I can, I don't really feel it's something I'm qualified to teach unfortunately (having no real-world fast jet experience myself). I tend to feel a bit disingenuous offering up tutorials / advice on subjects I have no real-world training in, so I prefer to leave those subjects to the professionals.
If you're keen to know more about this sort of flying though, I know the perfect man for the job!
ua-cam.com/video/uTxxXv9XhbM/v-deo.html
CGAviator is a real-world ex Hawk pilot and covers all manner of fast jet topics (among other things), his channel is great.
I hope that helps and that you get some useful info from his channel!
Cheers and all the best : )
P.S. For what it's worth; the reason for banking in such a way, is that most aircraft are far more resilient to positive g than negative g (the same is true of the pilot). So it's much better to roll and pull, than it is to be pushing forward on the stick.
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Hey thanks for replying I appreciate you’re answer! I actually discovered cgaviator not long after watching this and you’re right it’s a great channel!
Great review for a great addon. Just Flight are undoubtedly one, if not the best 3rd party addon makers out there. What elevates them for me is they listen to user feedback, and since this video was made, we now know seeing the pilots in interior is going to become a thing in update 1.1. Worth every penny. Now then, all we need now is to be able to slide the glare visor and detach the oxygen mask like in the X-Plane version Just Flight (hint hint) ;)
I actually role play in the sim, maybe that's not what it's obviously meant for right, but MS still themselves don't have a feature to turn on the co-pilot and ignore the "wish list" with over 240 votes for this. We have to rely on modders or 3rd party payware devs to implement these features in that's why the Pipers are so important to me, even though the way it's implemented is a bit hokey. I start the Piper up, co-pilot has issue, no problem then let the co-pilot take off and fly the plane as I take in the scenery, switch cameras, I love it and this is how I relax after a day at work. I have to see my co-pilot or the illusion is shattered. I do it on all my aircrafts, the A320 with SLC is pefect for this kind of immersion and role play, a bit of me doing the stuff, the auto-pilot and co-pilot. That little thing, after to started it all up, crane your neck and see your buddy is actually there with you. It's a deal breaker for me even though you might only ever do it once or twice. Big up for JF and I can't wait for anything they do.
Thanks very much Braveheart! Completely agree that Just Flight are one of the best devs / publishers out there. I’ve been a supporter (customer) of there’s for many years, so it’s really nice to be able to promote them a bit, given that they genuinely deserve it! As you say, they sincerely take user feedback on board and act accordingly - sadly that’s a behaviour that seems to be somewhat rare in our hobby (it winds me right up when devs try and blame the customers for issues with their products, go on the defensive etc).
I’m very much looking forward to V1.1 also. Like you, I find that pilot models really amp up the immersion, even just knowing they’re there haha.
Cheers! All the best : )
So close to DCS that I hit F3 for a flyby after first takeoff!
Systems seems to work - the RAT deployment is simulated. And the 130 page manual reflects this. But in flight relight seems not to work. Motor spools up to 15% - with no rise in EGT. Could be an Asobo limitation, the same with CRJ aircraft
- But close to - over envelope strange things happens. It refuse to go high AOA (IMO). Pulling max G - 9 - in tights turn, it is closer to F-16. Flying several 360 will little drag. It drops slowly to 200 knots and holds 4 G with no sign to stall.
But within normal envelope everything feels correct. At touchdown other aircraft just stop to fly. JF Hawk you can feel and hear the touchdown, and you can hold aerodynamic braking to under 100 knots.
Such a great aircraft - immersion is close to100% -
Nice to learn that GPS is supplied in original Red Arrows. It is very basic nav with the VOR installed. BTW: Thanks for converting Tacan to VOR frequencies - well done. On cruise you need to be patient to trim off pitch. Use throttle for the finer adjustment. Holding heading is no problem.
Thanks to Just Flight for pushing M$F$ in our serious simmers direction, and not making cheap money on the xBox kids.
I know exactly what you mean Øystein; I nearly stated in my conclusion, that the JF Hawk could just as easily be a DCS module, but decided not to do so in the end (as it would only be “opening up a can of worms” haha).
I very much agree that the flight model feels great in the normal flight regime, less so at the extremes of the envelope. The JF FDE dev actually wrote a comment regarding much of this (which I pinned), quite an interesting read. It seems the Hawk’s characteristics are closer to reality than I had first anticipated, but he does also state that they weren’t able to achieve all that they wanted, with the sims current flight model.
A brilliant and highly immersive aircraft as you say - also great fun! Happy flying! : )
Now we just need to get that F3 button working haha! . .
I play on Xbox series S and am currently really disappointed that the best planes are not being released on the Xbox. I had high hopes that developers would take advantage of another income stream but it seems I’m missing something as only Carenado have released 3 of thier planes on Xbox. Hope more developers start supporting the Xbox.
This is coming, believe its just a few things that need changing before it comes out on xbox.
It's not a case of not supporting Xbox Steven. We can't release for Xbox anywhere else than via the MS marketplace. So what we do is this - we develop and release the product for PC platform from our website. We'll then wait a while until the product is stable and all initial updates are done and applied to the product. Then we have to tweak/edit the current product to make it suitable for Microsoft and their marketplace (remove weapons etc) and then it can get sent off to MS. That's then the start of the journey. MS do their due diligence and check everything at their end which includes thorough testing for Xbox platform. That has nothing to do with us. We sit and wait. As with the Arrows we're likely to then receive feedback with a view to having to make some changes, do further testing. Remember our add-ons contain tons of custom code (some add-ons from other devs don't and that's likely to result in less issues) so that's usually an issue and tends to throw up problems. So to summarise we can do our bit, which will happen but not immediately, we'll then submit to MS and then wait for their feedback. History tells us that that's where the delays begin, little we can do other than to react and work on the issues they report back to us, at the same time while we're working on development of other add-ons. So for this Hawk, maybe a month or so but more likely a couple of months if we're being realistic and anything sooner treat as a bonus. Sorry for the long explanation but I hope that helps somewhat.
@@justflight as an xbox user myself tgats a pretty positive response and really do hope we can get the hawk whenever it happens...it just looks phenomenal and the reviews are also top notch...can not wait
@@justflight Really appreciate you taking the time to write such an informative reply.
Hi Steven,
I think Just Flight have answered your concerns better than I ever could, but it sounds like it’s a promising situation, at least as far as their products are concerned. I certainly hope we continue to see support for the Xbox develop. It is still early days, so hopefully the situation will improve!
All the best : )
These video's have allowed me never to have to buy a pc desktop!... Big thumbs up
Haha. Well, I’m sad that you won’t get to enjoy the sim for yourself, GCD, but very happy if you’re enjoying the videos enough, to live vicariously through them! ; )
Very much appreciated once again! Cheers and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations can't afford a high performance pc... And very time restricted!
Understood, sir. Well once again, I’m really happy to hear that you’re enjoying the videos and that they allow you to enjoy the sim in some capacity : )
Cheers!
Thanks for a great video! Got the T1 after this. I find it interesting that that you can select ordnance for attachment. I don't have options for this with the A variant and only the option for fuel tanks. I presume this is an additional mod of sorts or i'm perhaps missing settings somewhere?
Hi Prodius,
My pleasure on the video!
Hmm, that’s strange. . . I’m not using a mod, the Hawk does come with weapons options by default.
Is the Hawk available on the Marketplace now and did you by any chance purchase it from there? Unfortunately the Marketplace doesn’t allow for the sales of any aircraft fitted with weapons, so developers have to remove the functionality when selling in-sim. I’m guessing that might be your issue?
It’s a very frustrating rule and lots of people get caught out by it - Asobo really needs to be clearer regarding the situation (or do away altogether with the rule ideally).
I hope that clarifies things a bit. Thanks for watching and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes and the "drawback" from buying directly from marketplace. Makes sense and also confirmed with Just Flight.. A real pity as it would have looked nice on the airframe. Thanks again for the feedback!
Yes, it really is a shame. Sadly between the lack of weapons, slower product updates and the encryption of files, there really aren’t too many reasons to purchase from the Marketplace (for PC users at least). I tend to purchase all my addons externally (where I can) these days.
I hope you enjoy the Hawk though nonetheless. It’s an excellent aircraft and luckily you don’t need a pair of AIM 9’s, to enjoy screaming around at treetop level! ; )
All the best! : )
Great video as always - Can I just ask you, when you click the stop switch on the throttle for shutdown, is this triggering the end of flight pop up menu for you?
Thanks very much Massive Sim, glad you enjoyed it!
Yes, the pop-up menu is indeed triggered when I shut the aircraft down (hence why the engine rundown sounds a bit abrupt). I try and edit it out in my videos though, as I find it just kills the immersion. I get this question a lot, so clearly I’m not the only one who’s bothered by it (I imagine most simmers are). I do wish Asobo would give us the option to turn it off - it can’t be that hard to implement. . .
Thanks again and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yeah i also wish they would give us the option to disable this annoying pop up after shut down
Absolutely! I gather it’s on Asobo’s list of issues to address; but it’s a long list and they don’t seem to be ticking the items off very quickly at all haha. . .
Cheers! : )
Should need bugger all rudder input once off the ground. In your vid, I did notice the slip ball bouncing around a lot. No idea whether that was pilot or flight model induced.
Haha, well I certainly wasn't dancing around all over the rudder. I don't consider myself God's gift to aviation, but I think I can pin the blame on the jet for that one haha ; )
Cheers!
@42:48 The pitch of the pilot/copilot views can be changed in the 'cameras.cfg' (SimObjects/Airplanes/JF_Hawk_T1). In the [CAMERADEFINITION.0] section, edit the values for 'InitialPbh =' to 0, 0, 0 (from -17, 0, 0) and in [CAMERADEFINITION.3] to 0, 0, 0 (from -20, 0 0). This will set the view dead ahead, and you can tweak it from there if necessary. The values are for degrees of pitch, roll and yaw respectively.
The rear seat especially felt extremely uncomfortable for me in vr with its 20' downward pitch, but with that fixed I don't think I'll ever fly from the front seat again.
Thanks very much for the info Otter! I’ll definitely look into tweaking that myself. I’m not as familiar with MSFS CFGs as I was with previous sims, but I’m sure I can figure it out (looks like roughly the same procedure / format anyway). There’s a few other aircraft I’ll take a look at whilst I’m at it. . .
Haha, great to hear you’ve promoted yourself straight to instructor! ; ) That view from the back seat is going to be even better when Just Flight add the pilot models in (as per the next update)!
Thanks again and all the best! : )
Great video, thank you. I love this plane and I am amazed how fluid is your flight. I unfortunately get a significant FPS drop with this plane (from 35 PFS for the F14, down to 18 FPS for the Hawk) and am not sure why.. Would you be able to share your (VR) graphic settings with the Hawk ?
Hi Gilles,
Thank you very much, my pleasure!
I’m sorry to hear that. I’d imagine FPS impact depends heavily on hardware; unfortunately I can only give results based on my own system of course. I haven’t tried the Hawk in VR yet (as VR doesn’t run great on my system either). The head motion you see is actually as a result of TrackIR. In 2D, I run the sim on the “High End” preset at 1080p. I have VSync locked at 60 FPS and AI traffic and Motion Blur turned off - those are my only changes really. The reason my flight is fluid with decent FPS is because it’s only 2D though.
Hope that clears things up a bit. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you for your reply. As a comment, I have a very high end PC with everything on ultra on 2 D mode and I get 60FPS for most of the planes except for the Hawk and the Pilatus PC6 (Milviz), which both drops at 35 FPS - still very good in 2 D. But in VR mode, with everything down to High instead of Ultra, I get a 35 FPS for all planes, except for the Hawk and the PC6, which drop below 18 fps, which spoils totally the experience. I wonder if other people get such a massive drop in FPS with the Hawk and the PC6 in VR mode: I have to go to medium and low graphics to have sth smooth, but that is not an option for me, given the investment for quality graphics. Can you perhaps direct me to a video where someone review the Haw in VR ?
Hi Gilles,
I don’t know of any full reviews of the Hawk in VR - but this is definitely the man to speak to on the subject!:
ua-cam.com/video/1zcAqM5LabE/v-deo.html
He covers all thing flight sim / VR on his channel and has a few videos in the Hawk. If you leave a question there, hopefully he’ll be able to get back to you. I think he has a pretty powerful machine as well, so you should be able to figure out what’s possible in terms of FPS.
I hope that helps! All the best : )
Holy crap, I’m going to buy this thing and fly the exact same route. Crashing into mountains… killing innocent and unsuspecting villagers… over and over and over.
Haha, well I certainly hope you have fun Patrick, because it doesn’t sound as though the locals will! XD
Enjoy! : )
Thanks for another fantastic video, and in particular this route! I've just blasted around it in the Hawk and dare I say this will be my preference now instead of the Mach Loop, as the scenery is much more spectacular than Wales - apologies to my Welsh friends! ;-)
Thanks very much Mark, glad you enjoyed the flight and indeed the route! Haha, well I do still have a bit of a soft spot for the Mach Loop personally (with its heritage etc), but I must admit that this run wins hands down in terms of the scenery! It’s also a bit more of a rollercoaster.
I still didn’t have much luck trying to pronounce the place names mind you XD
Enjoy and all the best! : )
Such a nice plane.i auggest let it run out is fuel and see what happens. look at the back of the plane and see what is extending once the fuel is gone . That is live to detail
Haha, I’m guessing a RAT deploys, Michael?
Just Flight did indeed do a wonderful job with the Hawk (as they have done with all of their MSFS aircraft). I was hoping for a few more flight model improvements with the recent update but, otherwise, the aircraft is still a real joy to operate.
Happy flying and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thx you :) I call it wind mills :)
Haha. It basically is a windmill but, aircraft designers like the make things sound more complicated than they actually are XD
Well, the Hawk is on my must buy list. Especially since it is nice on my FPS.
However, I need to save my money.
Got some expensive things coming up.
At the same time I really do want to fly it... I just have nothing like it in my hangar (anymore).
And I do have to agree regarding Switzerland. They have done a stellar job with the last world update. I guess the wait was worth it.
As I imagined the Alps have become my favourite region to fly in along with the pacific north-west in the US.
Well it’s definitely worthy of going on a future purchase list. You never know, you might get lucky and get it a little cheaper over Xmas (pure hypothesising on my part). It’s great fun no doubt, but it will still be there when you’ve paid for your other activities (fun ones I hope!).
I’ll probably do some sort of giveaway at 10K and / or Christmas, so there might be a possibility there also : )
Yeah! Switzerland looks great! I was doing a bit of flying there today, trying to get something recorded (wasn’t happy with the end result though, damn haha), the scenery is just epic!
Cheers Dream, all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Time will tell, if they offer a holiday discount. I can definitely justify the regular price though.
I definitely wouldn't mind winning a giveaway though!
The expenses are more or less fun.
Looking at a new car in 2 days. Definitely one of the more enjoyable things, however I dropped my phone and my main monitor is slowly dying.
So yea 2 things that are quite annoying.
Even if it wasn't good enough for a video I'm sure it was an enjoyable flight.
You might want to check out the airport PASI. Lovely scenery as well there!
All the best!
Nice! I guess you must have the new wheels by now then? What did you go for?
That’s a bummer about the phone and monitor. My TV just died the other day haha. Served me pretty well though; lasted 10 years and it was 2nd-hand when I bought it. Actually went out and bought another 2nd-hand one, because I’m a cheapskate XD
It was actually an amazing flight on the first attempt (which once again I didn’t record dammit haha), but come the 2nd attempt, the weather had all gone through and it wasn’t nearly as interesting. I think I’ll just have to start recording all of my sim sessions, just so I don’t miss the occasional awesome flight.
Cheers Dream! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well didn't sign the contract yet, since the salesman and I didn't agree on the offer.
But overall I'm going for something like a 2021 Seat Leon, 2019 Volvo V60, 2021 Audi A3, 2021 Skoda Octavia so stuff like that.
But man it is difficult to find anything currently.
Yea the phone was my fault... Well better not give a clumsy dumbass a phone that's made completely out of glass.
It's a shame with the monitor though. But nothing I can do I suppose.
Sucks to hear that your TV broke though. But then again 10 years is a good lifespan for a TV.
Well you could also stream your occasional sim session. But I think recording them might be the smarter move.
Cheers!
Ahhh, disappointing Dream! I was sure you would be going for the Jag / matching Spitfire combo! Maybe you can negotiate a little more for that with your dealer? XD
Yeah, I keep thinking that I like to start doing some live-streams as well. It’s less work overall and nice to have the engagement with you guys; I enjoyed the one flight that I did. I just find it hard to find the blocks of time required and it always seems like a big responsibility, to have to entertain a live audience, vs recording and editing in my own time haha. Maybe that will be something to try in the new year : )
I saw red beacon lights were still on in the sky and they should be both switched up for Color white ;-)
Haha, yes indeed Sven. What can I say. . . these student pilots have no idea what they’re doing ; )
Yup, missed that one as I was cutting back and forth between internal / externals for the video. Only noticed when I got back on the ground and carried out the after landing checks haha. Better luck next time hopefully.
All the best! : )
Awesome vid 👌 keep up the great work!
But one question the community would you say its way better then the T-45c because I love that jet and the hawk cost 41 euros so don't now if its worth it for me. Would you say that the flight model and the systems are way better then the T-45c?
Hi Liam, thanks very much!
I’m afraid it might not be the answer you want to hear (as it may mean spending more money haha), but I would say (objectively) the Hawk is the superior product. Both have their strengths of course; I would say graphically they are similar, systems-wise there is about as much surface depth between the two, but the Hawk has a lot more modelled “behind the scenes” (and the systems are basically study level). The sounds and flight model are vastly superior on the Hawk (though the flight model still has a couple of issues). The T-45 is a nice addon, but it’s somewhat like comparing the Carenado Arrow with the Just Flight one (if that analogy makes any sense to you). I find the Hawk a much more accomplished and enjoyable product personally.
I can’t say whether that justifies the additional cost to you, but if I could only pick one, it would absolutely be the Hawk.
I hope that helps a bit? All the best : )
I have both addons. The T-45 is nice and i've enjoyed it. I really like that it's cockpit layout is similar to the Hornet. But honestly I may never fly it again - the JF Hawk is THAT much better :)
Yeah, that’s pretty much how I feel Siesta. The T-45 might make it back up in the skies for a bit of bashing around the deck, when we finally get proper carriers, but otherwise (whilst the T-45 is nice) I see myself choosing the Hawk every time.
Thanks for your input! : )
Fantastic review, thanks for the effort mate! Was an instant buy for me. Beside the fun flight model and stunning visuals I'd like to emphasize on the quality of all sounds of this addon. Combined with a hefty speaker setup and a Buttkicker under the sim seat: incredible experience!
Thanks very much Luke, my pleasure!
Yes, the quality of the sounds are one of the things that really set the Hawk apart. They make the aircraft incredibly immersive (and are just awesome in their own right - especially the startup). I haven’t even had the chance to try it with my Buttkicker yet - looking forward to giving that a go now haha.
All the best and happy flying : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It's illegal to fly this Hawk without a Buttkicker! :)
By the way: great flight route in my home turf. IRL unfortunately only in a SEP, not in a Hawk (yet). Best regards from Switzerland and happy flying!
Haha, I’ll be sure to give it a go ASAP then!
Well lucky you Luke, living in such a stunning part of the world! Switzerland is one of the most beautiful countries I’ve ever been to. Must be an absolute joy to do some leisure flights in and around those mountains (when the weather is nice anyway - had a rather treacherous experience coming into Zurich as a kid haha). A Hawk would be even better of course ; )
Cheers! : )
I need this available for Xbox asap can’t wait
Hi Curlee,
Just Flight do intend to bring it to the Xbox, but they state the process will probably take a few months and depends quite heavily on Asobo’s input. Hopefully things will be as expeditious as they can be and then everyone can enjoy this great jet!
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks really can’t wait looks and sounds amazing
38:12 glad to know 1400 miles isn’t particularly far to hand fly for you. 😁
Haha, it’s easy peasy! I’ll just chill down the back, put my feet up and let the trainee do all the flying! He needs the practice XD
1400 miles does sound like rather a lot, but a tank of gas seems to be gone in no time, when you’re having fun in this thing haha : D
Cheers WhiteHawk!
I just got the Hawk, feels good so far, just crashed with a uncontrollable spin while testing some stalls ^^ what i don't like is that the tablet for setting up the plane (take off ready/cold&dark...) is placed on the seat, i fly VR and so it is not really nice to do the settings there. Is it possible to put it somewhere else?
Hi Gary, sorry for the slow reply.
You may have figured it out by now, but it is indeed possible to move the tablet (to make it easier to use in VR). I'm not entirely sure how to do that myself (haven't had a chance to fly the jet since the update), but I know Just Flight added the functionality (I believe the tablet can be moved to the right console).
Glad you're enjoying the Hawk, hope there hasn't been too many more crashes! ; )
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations hi :) well, some days after my post the patch was released and the tablet was able to get moved then. all good so far, i just have some problems with the the other just flight model, arrow - turbo arrow III IV, as soon i switch to models with GPS map, the ATC cannot be heard, the text is showing but no audio. i don't know why. it is really hard to have fun with the sim with all the problems :)
Ahhh sorry, I didn’t realise you’d posted your message pre-patch. Well, I’m glad it’s a more user friendly VR experience now anyway. I haven’t had a chance to fly the Arrows for a while; that’s a shame about the radios. Is that with the GNS mods or not? Unfortunately I’ve given up with the default ATC altogether, it became just one issue after another. It’s such a shame, they had ATC more or less nailed down in FS2002!
The sim certainly still has a lot of issues, but I try my best to work around them (or ignore them haha) and enjoy it for what it is : )
Cheers Gary!
Noticed the same issue with no audio in the Pipers - in my case, it was because the comms volume had to be turned up using the dial. Since the dial also controls power to the unit, I suspect some panel state defaults set it to 1%-ish, high enough for the unit to be on, but not enough to hear. The text/subtitles in turn ignore the volume.
So, Im new to this. I originally purchased MSFS on Xbox but have downloaded it to PC through the play anywhere. Can I use this Hawk on my PC or do I simply have the xbox version on my PC ? ?
Hi Bones,
I’m afraid “play anywhere” is not something I’m familiar with at all, so i can’t really offer up any useful advice. If I had to guess, since the sim is installed and running on your PC, the Hawk should probably work ok, but I couldn’t say for certain. The Hawk is coming to the Xbox at some point apparently, so perhaps it’s safer to just wait for that. If you’re really keen to pick it up now, perhaps you could purchase the cheapest MSFS PC addon you can find and run it as a test?
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
Hi Bones,
I’m afraid “play anywhere” is not something I’m familiar with at all, so i can’t really offer up any useful advice. If I had to guess, since the sim is installed and running on your PC, the Hawk should probably work ok, but I couldn’t say for certain. The Hawk is coming to the Xbox at some point apparently, so perhaps it’s safer to just wait for that. If you’re really keen to pick it up now, perhaps you could purchase the cheapest MSFS PC addon you can find and run it as a test?
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
I would love to see just flight bring this to DCS.
I’ve thought that to myself Andrew; the Hawk would fit brilliantly into DCS, the quality is certainly there! Sadly I don’t think we’ll see that happen though. . .
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I have the original VEAO Hawk T1 in DCS it is really fun to fly but requires an older 2.5.3 version of DCS to use it as its no longer supported which is a damn shame it is such a good aircraft
Haha, well unfortunately I fell foul of the whole VEAO debacle myself. I purchased the Hawk, only for it to get pulled a week or two later (never even got the chance to fly it). I chose to leave it be and opted not to keep an older installation of the sim on my system. A shame, as I’m sure it is indeed great fun! Glad you’re still enjoying it though : )
All the best!
I’ve read that this is available on the marketplace inside the sim, but I’ve looked and cannot find anything. There’s a similar aircraft, but it’s for about half the price and a different developer.
Hi Charles,
Hmm, interesting. I don’t recall having seen it on the Marketplace yet. From where did you hear that it was available? Yes, the other version is the India Foxt Echo T-45 (the US variant of the Hawk). Not a bad addon, but not nearly as nice as the JF Hawk.
The JF Arrow took quite a long time to make it onto the Marketplace, reportedly because it takes Asobo a long time to check all of the custom coding etc. I would imagine it will be much the same situation with the Hawk.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
Hopefully someone in the know can answer this - should I set my POV in the cockpit so the gunsight is level with the horizon?
Sadly I can’t claim to be “in the know” on this one, but I would imagine if your viewpoint has you looking straight through the gunsight, that would be more or less correct (I presume the gunsight has been designed, to be broadly within the line of sight of the pilot).
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. Hopefully we have a Hawk pilot show up at some point haha.
All the best! : )
I'm 20 minutes in, please tell me this bad boy has smoke?! How can it not especially having the red arrows skin right?
Just announced for xbox!!
What's the music at the start?
Great, Peter! That will make for another very nice option on the console then.
I’m very sorry, but I’m afraid I can’t remember the name of the music at this point. It’s available from the UA-cam audio Library, but that’s about all I can recall.
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
Please tell me you have some type of Warm filter going on. On my Tab S it looks more orange than red.
Hi G Logan,
No filter on my end. I agree though that sometimes the reds in the sim, come across as more orange in the videos (I had the same with the FlyingIron P-38). I'm not quite sure what causes it, but I would say the colours seen in the video, are not entirely representative of the product. Apologies for that.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations No apologies needed..... Colours can differ between devices.
I haven't booted up my Hawk yet. I'm sure it will be as red as a red arrow 🙈😅
I bought and downloaded this Hawk today for my sim, but every time I go to load a flight with the Hawk it crashes the sim, is there a fix for this? Thanks.
Hmmm, that’s very strange Jonny. I reinstalled and flew the Hawk just recently and all was working fine, as best I could tell. First port of call would be an uninstall / reinstall (if you haven’t tried that already). After that, I would try removing all other addons and running a vanilla sim with only the Hawk, just to confirm that the T1 is definitely responsible for the CTD’s. If you’re still having issues after that, I would suggest getting in touch with Just Flight directly.
I hope that helps a little. All the best!
Why have I only got one pilot that appears in mine, how do I get the co-pilot to appear also ???
is the scenery bought? it looks pretty amazing!
Hi Snate,
Nope it’s “default” scenery. Switzerland was part of the most recent World Update, I think that’s possibly why it looks a little better than normal. The ground imagery is also quite good and I think the scenery of Switzerland just lends itself well to the sim. It does look good doesn’t it, well worth checking out! : )
Cheers, all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the answer, probably my computer isn't good enough for the graphics though. I'm going to check it out with the JU!
Have a good one ;)
Cheers! You too. Enjoy! : )
Let's petition Asobo to enable all the TACAN's in the sim?
Totally agree. Rather surprised that they are not all turned on. I’ve been trying to fly some Tacan X-Countries, bummer that they haven’t gotten all the stations activated. Makes sense why I needed to divert on my last trip as the station didn’t tune. Other fields have issues with Nav aid signal vs position. Vance AFB 17C ILS is off. Places you well right of the rwy.
Plane is a blast to fly though. Really enjoy the airframe.
Hope Asobo brings all Nav aids into the sim.
@@Rgordonpilot agree. Asobo arn't keen on any military aircraft! They need to ensure all radio nav aids are accurate and functional. It's a Flight Simulator after all!
@@davidh7280 too bad. I’ll admit if DCS had the same world map/graphics it’s the only sim I’d fly.
Best flight models and systems out there.
Till then I’ll play the Hawk for fun cross countries and exploring. Hope the TACAN stations come on line.
Maybe Asobo need a Heavy military aircraft like a Galaxy or a Grizzly and then they will turn on tacan.
I rather agree Norcat. I love DCS, but the map(s) put me off spending more time in the sim than I already do. They just feel so confined (and a bit dated) when compared with MSFS. The modules and flight models are second to none though.
Like David (and yourself), I hope the TACANs get sorted. It shouldn’t be a hard thing to fix. Maybe now that we have the Hawk, as excellent and popular as it seems to be, it will encourage Asobo to do something about the TACAN situation (though I shan’t hold my breath haha).
Cheers! : )
Haha, indeed - unfortunately one will generally end up horribly lost, if trying to navigate by TACAN in the sim : /
I'm having an issue when taking off that it's so difficult to keep this plane straight. It veers to one side and the nose wheel steering I've noticed seems to stop working after around 50kts?
Hi Jayrer,
The JF Hawk has always been a bit tricky in terms of directional control during takeoff / landing (although generally, I've found it to be OK outside of crosswind conditions). I haven't had a chance to fly the jet recently, so I can't comment on the current state of the flight model. I know the JF Arrow family has been "broken" by previous sim updates; Just Flight are working on a fix for their Arrows / Warrior, so perhaps the Hawk requires similar treatment. . .
I don't know about the Hawk specifically but on many jets, the nosewheel steering authority does "blend" out, as speed increases during the takeoff. This being said, there should still be enough rudder authority to keep the jet straight of course.
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Hi thanks for this..I'll look out for any updates. In the end I've had to switch on the rudder assist to fly this aircraft. I know it can't be my controller settings as other aircraft are fine.
You’re most welcome! : )
I haven’t played FS2020 in a while. Something happened with the mouse. It no longer clicks when in game 😩. Haven’t been able to find a fix. Been playing Cyberpunk and trusty DCS instead.
Hi Johnny,
Sorry to hear that! That’s very odd, not an issue I’ve heard of before. I’m afraid I wouldn’t know where to begin with that one. . . Have you tried the dreaded uninstall / reinstall?
All the best : )
So, how is it compare to the T-45 goshawk?
Hi Kaito, sorry for the slow reply.
The Hawk is generally the far better product of the two. Graphically the Hawk and the T-45 are broadly on a par, but in almost every other respect the Hawk is superior. It has some of the best systems, sounds and flight modelling in the sim to date. I find the T-45 lacking in both the flight model and sounds department (though I still enjoy the addon as a whole).
Hope that helps a bit! All the best : )
That's bound to scare some sheep!
Haha! Probably wouldn’t scare the sheep around the Mach Loop - they must be totally used to it by now; probably don’t even bother to look up from their lunch XD
In any real a/c I'd expect those wacky oscillations in all 3 axes (mostly in pitch) only with an out of limits aft centre of mass.
I think that this is a dreadful snag in all of the MS flight models. Err, are you sure about the Arrows smoke controls, when I were a lad these were wired into the weapons switchery.
Well MSFS has had issues with CofG, almost since its inception (with many aircraft being out of balance by default); so that could be what was affecting the Hawk here (though I don't recall that being the case at the time in all honesty). The strange oscillations are fairly typical MSFS behaviour though as you say. MSFS does model environmental effects, so turbulence, lift and sink off hills etc; it does this better than most sims (in that it does it at all), but most aircraft do seem to be far too upset by its effects (I think I know at least partially why that is, but it would be a bit much to get into here. . .).
As for the smoke controls, I have absolutely no idea personally haha! I'm sure your memory serves you correctly though; it would no doubt be much easier to activate the smoke from the weapons controls, than trying to reach up to the glare shield whilst pulling several g!
All the best! : )
really wish this was on xbox series x. anyone know if it's coming out and when? being British I really need this plane lol. red arrows main base is round the corner from me and I'm always seeing them practice.
Hi Steve,
I believe the Hawk is indeed planned for the Xbox! I don't know exactly when that will happen, but a lot of developers (including Just Flight) are waiting for Asobo to sort out some WASM coding issues on the console. That should apparently be happening with Sim Update 10, so start keeping an eye out after that ; )
All the best! : )
The only way to nav is by VoR?
The aircraft does also come with the option to fit a panel-mounted GPS unit (as per the real-world Hawk) - the unit sits where the gunsight would ordinarily. The Just Flight Hawk simply makes use of the default MSFS GPS though (so nothing too fancy in terms of implementation).
Cheers Fabio! : )
Mine won't work with My thrustmaster airbus stick. The throttle just will not budge for some reason. And it keeps going backwards. Any help ?
Hi Clovenbulb,
I know Asobo’s most recent update introduced a bug, whereby you will have to assign your hardware to “Throttle Axis 1”, as opposed to just “Throttle Axis”. I would imagine that’s what’s causing your issue (I suspect Just Flight will patch things up soon). Im afraid I don’t quite know what you mean by “it’s going backwards” - could you offer a little more detail?
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks I managed to fix it last night. Great video and a great aircraft.
Ah that’s great, glad you got it sorted! Thanks very much, happy you enjoyed the video - the Hawk is indeed an awesome aircraft : )
Cheers!
Oi, I really like this scenery for a loop. You don't have a Navigraph/SkyVector flight plan you can share eh?
Hi Equious,
Glad you enjoyed the run! I do have the plan in Navigraph, but I’ve no idea how to go about sharing a Navigraph flight plan I’m afraid. If you like, I can post the Lat / Long co-ordinates and you can then set up a Navigraph plan with them yourself?
Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations In Navigraph, if you load up the flight, you can choose 'export' which will let you copy the waypoint string to your clipboard, if you post that here, maybe there's a way I can manually enter the string to load the flight.
LSZH DCT N4704E00903 DCT N47E00904 DCT N4654E00859 DCT N4652E00848 DCT N4653E00837 DCT N4657E00837 DCT N4657E00849 DCT N4659E00856 DCT N4701E00855 DCT N4704E00903 LSZH
Done! : )
It’s planned from Zurich, as Mollis is not an available option within Navigraph, but I’m sure you’ll figure out which part is the route itself. You can indeed add these waypoints manually by the way: If you create a plan from Zurich (LSZH) to Zurich for example and then when the plan loads you can select the “Type Edit Route” option. Paste the coordinates in there and voila!
Enjoy!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations You're a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you?
Haha, thanks! My pleasure : )
I have tried to create this as a VFR flight plan in fs2020 World Map but cannot 'Add' waypoints by lat/long, they just don't take and in the absence of a Manual (!!!) I have nowhere to look. UA-cam videos only use airports as WPs. Can you explain how you did it or drop the flt plan in here please?
Hi Klem,
To add a Lat / Long waypoint you should be able to type it in as such N2244E00938 etc. The sim should accept that. You can also simply right-click where you would like to place a manual waypoint on the map and click “add” to create a waypoint (you will need to set up your departure / arrival airfields first). Unfortunately the flight planning tools in MSFS are still pretty clunky at the moment though. Waypoints sometimes don’t take correctly, or will end up out of sequence etc. The map also freezes sometimes for me as well. When I have the time, I will look into creating a custom flight plan for the route and try and figure out the best way to share it etc. If I figure something out, I will post a link in the video description : )
All the best!
Took me a bit to figure out, but it ends up being easy! Set your departure airport, and ALSO your arrival airport (obviously the same in this case). THEN go around the map and select your turn points just by clicking! Works like a charm :)
Yep, that’s the way to do it! The only frustration can be, that the sim decides for you in which order it’s going put the waypoints - and it’s logic is often flawed (particularly on circular routes). It doesn’t seem to be possible to re-order the waypoints(?), so sometimes you can end up with some rather bizarre flight plans haha.
Usually after a bit of faffing around, it will get the job done though.
Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the help. That works most of the time but for some reason it gets to a point where it won't let me add more waypoints. I'm trying LittleNavMap now. I made a route for the Mach Loop and will create the Swiss Loop next.
You’re welcome Klem. Yeah, unfortunately the default MSFS planning tools aren’t very good at the moment. Clunky at best. I’ll have to give LittleNavMap a go myself then. Might be a good format for sharing these types of flight plans also.
Cheers! : )
Thanks for the flight. Very very informatief. I like the way you are talking about your machine. My turn now ........:)
My pleasure Weggelaar! Thanks very much and I'm really glad you enjoyed it.
Haha, I do hope you're enjoying the Hawk then! Happy flying : )
Hope you will do a review on the F-16. looks like another FS9 type of release? Most functions missing, but looks great! I think its sad we are descending into childrens games here, instead of pure simulation! I want PMDG to put things right in this sim!
Hi David,
I actually wasn’t going to bother originally, but ended up taking a look in the end - the video will be out in an hour or so. Overall it’s certainly nothing special. Looks ok-ish, I had some fun in it, it actually flew quite nicely to be fair. DCS it is not - but then I was never expecting it to be. Anyway, I won’t give everything away - I’ll let the video do the talking ; )
Sound like PMDG have delayed the 737 indefinitely now unfortunately, due to insufficiencies in the sim. Doesn’t bode well. . .
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Fair comment! To be honest, the JF T1 isnt a T1. It lacks the HSI and Moving MAp display the RAF T1 has. Look up the real flight over the Lake District! (RAF) You can see the real aircraft there! So for myself, it lacks authenticity, perhaps because Asobo dont have a good system (SDK)of updating devs? Anyway, its not a T1....I cant afford it, so its not a purchase! If JF had gone the extra mile, I would be using my Wallet!
Is the black trainer version available as well?
Hi JCI,
Yes, black liveries are also included with the package : )
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks!
You’re most welcome! Cheers : )
I bought this addon from in game marketplace a couple of months ago, after the second latest MSFS update the aircraft throttle no longer responds and is now always stuck at idle. Just Flight hasn’t been bothered to release an update to the marketplace, and their support web form is also broken. This is quite disappointing.
Hi Houzuo,
Yes that was an unfortunate issue with many 3rd party addons post SU8 (I think it was). Not ideal for sure, but it is easy enough to fix: You just need to assign your hardware throttle to "Throttle Axis 1", as opposed to the more generic "Throttle Axis" that worked previously. That should fix the issue right up!
I hope that helps! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you, though in this very strange case the throttle is truly stuck post Iberia update - I cannot even advance its throttle via mouse input with joystick unplugged from the computer.
Ah sorry, I misunderstood you then - well that’s very strange. . . I’ll have to give it a try myself when I get the chance and see what the deal is.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks nonetheless, love your reviews btw!
Thanks very much! Very kind of you to say : )
All the best!
I wish this was available for xbox
I think the plan is for that to happen eventually ST: Currently the console has some coding issues, which prevents many addons from working correctly (hence why we see so many addons only coming onto the PC currently). Once the coding issues are fixed up (and this should happen within the next couple of sim updates), you should see a plethora of more complex addons making their way over (including this one I believe).
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks
You’re welcome! : )
Should of done star wars canyon
Hi Shane,
I have done Star Wars Canyon on the channel before (in the DC Designs F-14).
ua-cam.com/video/JZeRcZqcIjc/v-deo.html
I think Star Wars Canyon lends itself to higher-speed aircraft, as it's quite a long run! I'm planning to head back there when the Sim Skunk Works F-104 releases : )
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yeah a starfighter run around there would be amazing! Ill have to check out the tomcat run
Very well balanced review of a poorly appreciated trainer aircraft
Thanks very much, GCD, I’m glad you enjoyed the review and found it to be fair (that’s certainly what I aim for)!
The Hawk does seem to have led a somewhat underrated life, although I suppose when one includes the T45, the aircraft was still used quite prolifically. Sadly, I’ve never had the chance to fly the Hawk myself, but I hear good things and I recall a couple of fast jet pilots stating that it was the most enjoyable aircraft they ever flew. It seems like the T1 is / was a very “honest” aircraft overall.
Cheers and all the best : )
Is this multicrew
Unfortunately it isn’t at the moment John. I think that’s more of a sim limitation than anything though. Pure conjecture on my part; but I would like to think / hope that Just Flight will implement multi-crew in the future - once its native to the sim.
All the best : )
How do I add more fuel to the aircraft I can only get 64% worth of fuel very annoying
Hello Marley,
I’m not at my main PC right now but, at a guess: The Hawk can also be fitted with external drop tanks; presumably, 64% accounts for full internal fuel and 100% is only achievable with the drop tanks fitted. It would be a strange way of modelling things, but does that suggestion help at all?
Cheers, all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks mate yes it’s helped the situation
Great! You’re most welcome : )
MEEEW
Haha, indeed Petter! XD
Love your reviews, left a 👍, but I can’t watch this because I don’t have faith it will be available on my platform ever.
MS/Asobo are playing corporate games as players suffer (Su-57 gets updated out of reg. marketplace rotation within days while other devs wait weeks/months to have updates “approved”).
Still no JF Arrows, Milviz Corsair, or Carenado twins on Xbox and almost every add-on has bugs where custom code is used (doors don’t close on Spitfire[xbox] preventing C&D startup. Shame!
Thanks very much Tickle, much appreciated! Fair enough and understood.
Just Flight did actually post in relation to this; they basically stated that they plan to bring the Hawk to the Xbox, but that once things are handed over to Asobo, there is little JF can do on their end. Apparently the reason for the significant delays, is the amount of custom coding that JF uses, meaning it takes Asobo a lot longer to test their aircraft (than a lot of the other (junk) products that make it to the Marketplace). So the good news is that it’s still expected that the Hawk etc will make it onto the Xbox (expected in to take a couple of months currently).
That’s a shame to hear about the state of the platform though. I didn’t realise things were quite like that. There always seems to be so much lag between devs work and Asobo introducing it into the sim. To some degree I can understand it, but they definitely need to figure out ways to optimise the process. The Xbox is still a relative new platform for the sim, so hopefully it’ll find its feet in due course.
Fingers crossed for the future. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you! I’ll believe it when I see it at this point. Talk, especially from Asobo, is extremely cheap - I have lost faith in Asobo getting anything with custom code to work on Xbox.
JF got their code in for the Arrows almost 2 months ago and Milviz followed with the Corsair. Jorg’s words about it being up to 3P devs to bring aircraft over to Xbox are ringing hollow.
I just want Asobo to get bush trips working at this point...
Sadly I can’t disagree with any of that. As much as I love the sim, there’s a long list of things that need fixing and progress has been very slow at best. Even after 1+ year, we still seem to be getting patches that break as much as they fix. It can be a very frustrating process. I enjoy it for what it is - it could be so much more though, with the right effort put into the right places. Hopefully it will continue to improve, likewise on the Xbox.
Cheers Tickle! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Me too - made up my own wonderful bush flight around the Solomon Islands this weekend but it has sadly taken me dozens of hours to figure out which aircraft and types of flying to avoid so I don’t get frustrated.
Sadly, each update makes everyone have to spend hours to figure out what works and what is broken.
I appreciate your content and hope some of the stuff you enjoy is released on Xbox so I can watch it again torture free!
Whoever wrote this software dedicated far too much attention to pretty graphics than to aircraft handling. Even spam cans behalf horribly.
Check this video at 20:10. I think that says it all.
Hi Mike,
Broadly speaking I would agree with you: Flight modelling is not currently a forte of MSFS (obviously quite an important area for a flight sim haha). That being said, Asobo are continuing to improve things here and there (new prop physics and aerodynamics modelling in recent updates for example), so hopefully the sim will eventually be brought up to scratch.
Obviously MSFS has a lot of strengths in other areas and I think now that we have the likes of PMDG on board, the sim is moving towards becoming a more "serious" platform.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Obligatory "Hurry up and release on Xbox, JustFlight."
Also, I have 2 hawks already >.> Lol
Haha, I believe JF have stated that they want to bring it to the Xbox Travis. Once again, it seems to be Asobo slowing up the process (although Just Flight themselves, made the process of handing over to Asobo, sound more “reasonable” than I had previously been lead to believe). They said it will probably be a couple of months, but at least the intent is there! It’ll be worth the wait I’m sure : )
Cheers!
PS. How did you end up with two haha?
@@IntotheBlueSimulations well, I've the T-45 and the MB-339, which may as well be a hawk visually :P
Ahhh, I figured one of them would be the T-45. I think it’s more than fair to lump the T-45 in with the Hawk; I’m not sure how the Italians are going to feel about you giving the MB-339 the same treatment though haha! : P
Waaaayyy too slow and brutal aircraft, it literally stalls from over 300kts when you input a harder turn. Unbalanced. Indiafox t45 is better handling
Interesting Adventure Club, I would have said the opposite haha.
For me the T-45 feels underpowered and seems to lack control authority in pitch (it’s still a nice offering overall though). I thought the Hawk felt much more spritely. That’s not to say that you’re wrong; I’ve never flown a fast jet, so it’s just conjecture on my part. . . I really enjoy the JF Hawk though - one of my favourite addons in the sim.
All the best! : )