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In this video we carry out a full review of the Flying Iron Simulations Supermarine Spitfire MKIX within Microsoft Flight Simulator.
We will be departing out of Sandown airfield on the Isle of Wight. We will take a quick lap around the island, putting the aircraft through its paces as we go.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
ASUS B150M-A
Intel Core i7 6700K 4GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 2133MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight! - Ігри
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Thanks! My latest video is all about the throttle quadrant which worked out rather well IMHO. ua-cam.com/video/Cc0eNCeYUNo/v-deo.html
Can you do a video describing the difference in the offering between the MKIX and the MKIXc. The latter being significantly cheaper
The MKIX is for X-Plane 11. The MKIXc is for MSFS : )
I`ve got an arduino micro and Pi pico to make controllers. Another project to do lol.
Haha, well good luck with that Damian!
I wish I had more skills in this sort of department. I’ve seen some amazing custom controller build on Reddit etc. My plan is definitely to let Authentic do all of the clever bits for me, when I finally have the room to set up a dedicated sim ; )
All the best!
That landing was smoother than silk! Great video. Thanks for all the info!
Thank you sir ; ) Glad you enjoyed it and you’re most welcome!
All the best : )
Thanks for this video, not only for the spit review but for showing off the I.O.W, where i grew up. I too was disappointed about the needles but revitalised when you flew my old hometown of Shanklin at 26:40. Impressed you could make out not only Shanklin beach but also the adjoining Small Hope Beach. Very impressed the amusement arcade on the sea front was visible too. Nice to see from Australia.
Thanks very much Matthew! Really glad you enjoyed the video and the little blast from your past (it’s impressive what you can see in the sim hey).
I have been lucky enough to hop over to the Isle of Wight in the real world on a couple of occasions; always a great day out. Also did one of my worst ever landings, if not the worst, going into Bembridge haha. Can’t win em all I guess!
Well you’ve gone from living south of the UK mainland, to quite a bit further south haha! I guess it’s summer for you guys at the moment, so I hope you’re enjoying the sun and it’s not toooo hot.
Cheers, all the best! : )
Great review. Just waxing my 'tache and I'll be following you Into the Blue! :)
Hahaha, you win comment of the day again Adam.
Sadly, I don’t think there’s nearly enough moustache wax available, to get me looking half as sharp as some of the ballsy heroes who actually flew these things. . .
See you in the virtual skies then. Tally ho! : P
This is now the best plane for VR. The reason is that you get incredible FPS, probably due to it's relatively simple systems. I'm not sure whatever vodoo or witchcraft FlyingIron employed, but it's a really smooth experience. I don't have a top notch system (RTX 2070, 16gb, I5 9600K), but with the Spit it just flies!
The sounds could be a bit more fullsome, but for now it suffices, I suppose. All in all a 100% recommendation from me.
Sounds are dreadful, a Merlin this is not!
I knew the sounds wouldn’t be too everyone’s taste. I’m not sure the video does them 100% justice (I had to tone them down, so people could hear me ha), the sounds have quite a “powerful” feel to them in actuality. But I think they do have more of a “putt putt” to them than they should (amongst other things). Overall, whilst acknowledging they aren’t accurate, I think they give a good effect, if that makes sense. I thought it sounded somewhat familiar during the flyby as well. . .
Anyway, if enough people aren’t keen on the sounds, I’m sure the developers will consider a re-work. They seem very open to feedback and presumably changing the sounds wouldn’t be a mammoth undertaking.
Cheers
Yeah, it’s brilliant in VR! Just did a little trip myself. Performance is great and that wing just looks even better in 3D! : P
For sure, FlyingIron Simulations have performed some sorcery on this one haha! Seems the sounds aren’t to everyone’s tastes. I hope they improve them to a point where everyone is happy. Personally I thought they were a drastic improvement over the last version I tried and so maybe they seemed better to me than they do on a first look / listen. I think they give the right “effect” if not an accurate sound. If they can get it closer to a real-world Merlin though, I’m never going to complain! : )
RealAir nailed the sound on their spit, Rob Young did do amazing work in that.
I never got the chance to try the RealAir Spit, but I wish I had. That’s the 2nd time I’ve heard it receive praise in the last couple of days. Someone reckoned it was better than the A2A version, very high praise indeed!
I’m going to have to go find a video now, just to see how good it sounds : )
The cockpit details look spot on. Thanks for the review.
Yeah, in terms of the cockpit visuals, I’m not even sure I could really find fault!
It’s funny though how two different models can look very different but still both look amazing. I was sure when I got back in the A2A Spit, I would feel underwhelmed by the visuals, but it still looks amazing too. Both aircraft cockpits have quite different shapes, textures and overall feels to them in the cockpit, but somehow they both seem spot on haha.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by my man! Will we be seeing you in the skies in the Spit any time soon? : )
Ps, just watched your Bush Talk radio vid. I’ve been looking for something like this in MSFS for years (you used to be able to pick up the odd adventure like it)! Looks brilliant. Definitely going to have to check it out for myself!
I absolutely love your vids and reviews!! You're really good at this stuff, and I would love to see more guides/tutorials for planes on MSFS 2020.
Thanks very much CC, very kind of you to say! Really glad you're enjoying the content : )
Noted on the tutorials. I did quite a few in the earlier days of the channel, but for whatever reason they somewhat fell off the radar. I'm a bit more pushed for time these days and as the channel has somewhat morphed into a review channel it seems, so I have tended to focus on those where I can. I do also try to make my reviews a little bit of a tutorial in their own right; running through procedures and techniques etc as I go. All that being said, it's not to say that I wouldn't consider more tutorials in the future.
Thanks very much for your comment, very much appreciated!
All the best!
Fantastic video, thanks for the review!
Thanks chaps, glad you liked it! Thanks for the Spitfire!! : )
Great job, presentation as always “ spot on” hopefully radios will be fixed as for me atc adds immersion on flights particularly arrival/ departure etc, I see there were some radio work rounds. Thanks for the review
Thanks as always Charlie : )
I see you’ve got the message; but yes, Page Up on the keyboard seems to do the trick for now. Apparently all this will be sorted in future updates, with a “proper” radio coming to the aircraft etc as well. I know the X-Plane version has an optional radio and GPS.
The Spitfire really was the UK's guard dog during WWII. Without it and the brave pilots that flew them the UK may have fallen to the blitzkrieg. It's nice to see it in MSFS. A good tribute to the steed of noble warriors.
A true symbol of freedom without a doubt. There's can't be many more beautiful, evocative and ultimately deadly pieces of human engineering ever built.
All the best!
Thanks for another excellent review. Just had to buy this one plane too (which is truly beautiful indeed), after seeing it. :-) Looking forward to more!
Thanks Mats!
Yeah, it’s a bit of a handful on the takeoff since the update, but the team have done complete justice to the Spit in terms of recreating its beauty! One of the most beautiful sim models I’ve come across to date and from the right angle, in the right lighting conditions, it looks nothing short of real!
Happy flying! : )
Great review. I purchased it yesterday and look forward to flying it (particularly in VR).
Thanks very much Paul! Glad you enjoyed it.
I tried it out in VR, it looks wonderful, but sadly it was a bit of a slideshow for me. Not the aircrafts fault, my machine is getting on a bit + the latest sim update seems to have killed VR performance for me unfortunately. The Spit should be a good option for VR in theory though, since it doesn’t really impact the FPS.
Hopefully you fare better, happy flying! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I've just set up a new computer I9 10900, 64GB RAM, RTX3090 GPU. That should be the ticket.
Very nice Paul! Haha, well indeed yeah, that ought to do it!
If it can’t, well we’ll have to get on the phone to NASA, see if we can borrow their equipment. . .
Enjoy! : )
I bought this yesterday - I don't know anything about the flight dynamics and systems - however, i have found this one to be very detailed for my experience. Taking off was relatively easy - sadly I have landed safely 3 out of 7 times.....most times the plan seems to tip over onto one wing (not turning actually tipping). I have flown it all over the place passing many of the landmarks in UK.....I love it. And opening the cockpit cover in air is great fun. Thanks for showing the start up - that helped. I have a button assigned to turning on avionics/radios which over comes the issue. Great review - very emotional musical interlude .
Thanks very much Mark! Glad you are enjoying the Spit : )
There really is nothing better for exploring all the new UK scenery! If it’s any consolation, my landings seem to be getting progressively worse haha. I was super happy with my first, second one was a bit long. Third one, almost came off the end of the runway! Ha. It wast even a particularly short runway. . . As you say, definitely offers a challenge and gotta keep a positive control over those ailerons at all times during takeoff and landing and definitely can’t take any extra speed over the threshold.
Glad you enjoyed the music, one of my favourite pieces. Very soul stirring. You’ll probably enjoy the next Mach Loop cinematic if you enjoyed that ; )
Thanks very much as always and all the best to you!
I find the take-off rather difficult. I really can't keep that pull to the left under control.
The Spitfire is definitely a bit of a handful on takeoff and landing (as I believe it should be), it is controllable though; it just takes a bit of preempting I find (it’s also more controllable now, than it has been in previous updates). This video is a little bit old now, but may hopefully still be of some use:
ua-cam.com/video/CuNVl84p7VM/v-deo.html
The real key is using backstick to keep the tail on the ground initially and not coming up to full power during the takeoff.
Good luck and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks! I've played with my sensitivity settings on rudder and am having a better time with it currently. Just practice at this point I suppose.
Great! Practice indeed makes perfect ; )
Good luck!
Another wonderful balanced review
Thank you sir! Very much appreciated once again : )
Thanks for this, good review. Bought this a long time ago, looks like I made a good choice 😀
My pleasure as always Mark!
Indeed a lovely aircraft haha. I actually just flew it again recently myself; it’s always nice to hop back in after a while and note the changes that FlyingIron have made to the aircraft. They still continue to support and improve their offerings - great to see from any developer!
Cheers : )
Thanks for another great review. Bought it and love it :D
My pleasure! Perfect, really glad to hear you’re enjoying it!
Actually , if you just bought it, you timed it perfectly. The aircraft very recently received an update, which improved a whole host of things.
Thanks and happy flying! : )
Does the download include a startup checklist? I have the Xbox series X and am considering getting this plane because the review really caught my attention.
Fantastic !! Great review. I bought it. ;)
Thanks Ludo! : )
Hope you’re enjoying it! As a spitfire fan, even if you just sit and look at it, I think it’s worth it haha : P
Sitting in the cockpit looking forward at the nose, it looks like the head of an eagle or other creature. What a legendary machine- this addon gives a new dimension to this beautiful aircraft.
It is a truly amazing creation! Somewhat unfathomable how a piece of machinery can stir the soul so much. . .
The FlyingIron Spit may not be the “best” Spit that I have flown in any sim, but it is certainly the most beautiful!
Glad you’re enjoying it. Happy flying! : )
Great Review and flight
Thanks very much sir! : )
Very Nice review and video, thanks
Thanks James, glad you enjoyed it! : )
good review, have a go around the mach loop
Thanks very much Daniel : )
It’s definitely on the cards at at some point! There’s a bit of a queue of other aircraft at the moment though, so the Spit will have to wait it’s turn hehe. I presume you saw my other run in the A2A Spit did you?
ua-cam.com/video/unAWldVLmfY/v-deo.html
Seems the MKIX has about an extra 20kts on the MKII, so it should be able to manage a significantly quicker time.
All the best!
Nice vid and ur very talented u should have more subs
Thanks man! Very kind of you to say! : )
The channel is still pretty early days, so fingers crossed, it will continue to grow ; )
Beautiful plane .
Isn’t it just Philip! Tough to find a more elegant piece of design. . .
As owner of the RealAir Spitfire in FSX, the A2A Spitfire I/II in P3D, the DCS Spitfire (which I cannot fathom at all, it feels too twitchy), and the FlyingIron version in X-Plane 11, I was really impressed with the way you approached the whole review. You highlighted for me a number of issues that may be limitations of MSFS currently, I cannot say. I am on the fence with MSFS. The visuals are stunning, but there are issues with flight modelling it would appear, as well as systems simulation. Maybe the MS/Asobo team will get on top of it. It is a mammoth task...
Your video was the first I have seen so far that actually follows the procedure of pulling back the prop rpm after take-off. Every other "review" has the prop at full rpm all the time, and the governor in MSFS doesn't seem to do its job so well... later Mk IXs had a prop/throttle interconnect that would automatically set the rpm according to the throttle position, but I am not sure what FIS did here. Can you see if any such system is operating?
The Spitfire in all variants always needed pretty much full right rudder trim on take off, as the left swing caused by the Merlin (and later Griffon) was violent. You need it in DCS, otherwise you'll not get off the ground safely :)
Take-off in the Spitfire Mark IX as you rightly say does not need full throttle, +7 to +9 is sufficient, and the tail lifts as soon as you neutralize the stick. You should hold that slight nose-up attitude throughout the take-off roll, because the Spitfire simply becomes airborne on its own on that beautiful wing. You shouldn't need to apply any back pressure to get her to take off...
Loved your honest review and clear, procedures-oriented delivery. Maybe I will reinstall the FIS Mk IX into x-plane 11.52, it is just the ground-handling physics in x-plane for tailwheel aircraft, particularly with free castoring tailwheels, are not optimum... the FIS in x-plane with free castoring tailwheel is a real handful on the ground and totally kicked the realism factor for me.
Well thank you very much!
I was quite lucky with this review, as I already had lot of time in the A2A Spit (one of, if not my favourite sim aircraft of all time), so I was reasonably comfortable with what I was doing, though I always try to “study up” for any review. I think it’s the best way to test a product. If it broadly works based on using the correct procedures, then it’s probably a pretty good addon. (You have a fellow sceptic of the DCS Spitfire here as well by the way haha). The flying model isn’t perfect, but overall I’m really happy with it and enjoy it very much.
Personally I really enjoy MSFS, but I really only use it for cruising around VFR (which is what I most enjoy when simming anyway); and for that the flight model is “good enough”. As you say though, it will be a mammoth task to get it to a “completed” point, where it’s on a par with other sims in terms of its utility.
Re the automatic governor. I didn’t notice any such thing, but then again I’m not entirely sure what to look out for in terms of power setting vs response etc?
I imagine the Spit would be a complete handful in X-Plane yes? It was ground handling in X-Plane that initially put me right off it. I was finding myself being blown around in moderate crosswinds; full rudder, full brake and the aircraft would still be weathervaning. I’ve since come back to X-Plane though, it’s my go-to choice now for IFR / heavy jets.
Once again, thanks very much, I’m glad you enjoyed the video! : )
The Spitfire just received an update and it is way better, now flies and sounds like the real airplane !
Yes, just had a chance to give that a very quick try myself. Lovely to see its back in a flyable state and seems to have received a number of improvements (again, great to see the developer continuing to support it). Reminded me just how beautiful that model is as well!
Thanks for the heads up.
All the best : )
To get around the radio you can simulate a start with ctrl and e keys and that turns the radio on.
Great Video by the way 👍
i spent a long time looking around the cockpit and reading the manual, looking for the switch that would fix this!
Thanks very much for the info Paul. I figured this out after ha. I don’t like doing CTRL E starts (ruins the fun for me), but apparently the PG UP key also works (I believe it’s the default avionics ON switch, or something to that effect).
Glad you enjoyed the video : )
Me too haha. Looked in the manual before recording, but couldn’t find anything. Apparently PG UP also works, as that turns on the avionics : )
Thanks
love it
Thanks very much Dolorem! : )
Stubbington and Lee on the Solent is my hometown.....we have a spitfire based at the navy base in Lee
Stubbington is an incredibly British sounding place name isn’t it hehe? I guess you would have recognised quite a bit from the flight then. Must be a nice part of the country to live in, especially if you get to see the odd Spitfire flypast every now and then! : )
Cheers, all the best!
Forcing the avionics on via PageUp seems the only way to currently get the radio working.
What’s page up?
@@CMACJAZZ the button above PageDn on your keyboard.
@@CMACJAZZ I'm guessing the page up button on your keyboard. Don't know if this is default use for this key, but you could bind a key of your own choice in the control settings menu.
Indeed David, seems to be the default key for “avionics on” (or something to that effect). Worked like a charm! : )
Worked like a charm! Thanks very much for the info : )
Thanks for another great review. I’ve been enjoying the challenge of flying this bird and hope to recreate the Silver Spitfire round-the-world trip. BTW, what checklist did you use?
Thanks once again Peter! : )
That would be an amazing trip to make (and one I briefly considered myself)! I completed an around the world tour only last year though, so I don’t think I have it in me to do it again just yet. Also, the channel keeps me plenty busy now haha. The checklist is a DCS one, you can find it here.
www.mudspike.com/chucks-guides-dcs-spitfire-lf-mk-ix/
I think it’s somewhat “combat oriented” as there’s no run-up for example, but it’s for a MKIX and it gets the job done.
You might also like to check out DreamsofWings channel if you haven’t done so already. He recreated the same journey in the A2A Spit and I believe he covered some of it. He makes some great content.
ua-cam.com/users/Dreamsofwings
Have fun on your trip! I’m sure it will be quite an amazing experience in MSFS (sadly I did mine in P3D V5, just before MSFS released haha). Let me know how you get on : )
Great review, many thanks. Would really like to see you put this Spit through its paces around the Mach Loop!
Thanks very much, my pleasure!
Having now tried the freeware recording tool for MSFS, I think Mach Loop runs should now be a possibility! (Though camera angles may still be tricky). There’s a bit of a queue of Mach Loop videos ready to go, so this one might be a little while off, but I’m sure it will get its turn in due course : )
Did you happen to catch the A2A Spit run?
ua-cam.com/video/unAWldVLmfY/v-deo.html
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes I did, a day or so after you posted it. I was so excited that I had not initially realized it was for P3D, until of course I saw the scenery when you started the flight! I was amazed at the way A2A had modeled the engine performance and that as you pushed it to the limit on the Loop it complained somewhat through temperatures and engine sound. I have been a flight simmer since Bruce Artwick released his Flight Simulator for the Apple II in the early 80s under the subLOGIC label. My favourite Spitfire for FSX was the one released by RealAir Simulations in 2008. Not sure whether you ever flew that one, and if you did how you think it compares?
Ah, haha, apologies for getting your hopes up on that one. P3D is generally still the best platform for the Mach Loop videos, as it has somewhat decent recording and camera options, not to mention a plethora of aircraft available. Obviously it is looking a bit tired and old these days though. The performance is also pretty appalling when you fly high speed haha. MSFS is becoming viable now though with the freeware flight recorder becoming available.
Yes, the A2A Spit is an absolute masterpiece. Despite owning it for nearly a decade now, I think that was the first time I’ve ever really pushed it like that haha. The A2A aircraft have persistent states, so if you break something, it stays broken indefinitely and will need repairing before your next flight. Really encourages you to fly the aircraft like you own it, which I always enjoyed. Sadly I never tried the RealAir Spitfire, I’ve been hearing a lot of great things about it through this video though. Some people saying it was better than the A2A version. I’m in awe if that’s true!
Wow, you’ve been flight simming a while then! I consider myself a bit of an old hand these days, started out in FS95, but you’ve got a few years on me ; )
Glad to see you’re still enjoying the hobby after all these years : )
I liked you put Holst in the background for the British plane!
May I suggest Copland's Fanfare for the common man as the most appropriate for unveiling an American one when it comes it's turn !? 🐴🐴🐴😉
Thanks! It seemed like one of the perfect choices for the Spit (I also used Elgar in my previous Spitfire video).
That’s not a piece I’m familiar with, but I will certainly look into it then (it will of course depend on copyright etc as well though unfortunately)! I gather there’s an F4U on the not-to-distant horizon. Whilst I don’t think of it as being the “symbol of American aviation”, if the music goes well with it, I’d be happy to oblige : )
Thanks for the suggestion!
Gave it a go myself and enjoyed it - nice to have something playful yet so legendary done in good detail in MSFS... the small animations like the door and the canopy being able to be opened/closed really adds to the realism... the only thing it is truly missing for those who have sat in a spitfire IRL... is the smell of history, and the raw smell of oil and grease!
One negative though for me... it lacks the ROAR from the Merlin engine
Indeed, actually watched your video earlier whilst I was doing the washing-up ha! Figured I’d better check out what the competition are up to ; )
Also watched some of your VATSIM tutorials the other day as a bit of a refresher (been a long time since I’ve done any VFR radio stuff), so thanks very much for those!
Yeah, sadly you’ll never get the smell of history I suppose, unless you buy old parts off eBay and litter them around your desk I maybe ha. I quite liked the engine sounds. Seems I’m in the minority though. They don’t sound quite like a Merlin admittedly, but they do have quite a “power” to them. Seems a lot of people aren’t content with the sounds, so hopefully the developers will update them accordingly. It certainly does the looks of the Spitfire justice, would be wonderful if it sounded just as good too.
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks!! Glad you enjoyed the tutorials!
The sounds I thought were good but they lacked the raw power from outside - when I did some of the flypast shots in my video I expected the unmistakable roar of the merlin engine tearing overhead and I didn't get that so was a little sad about that... still great fun though!
You are right. The external sounds, especially when performing a flyby, are a bit “flat”. Internally, I find I end up deafened, so that seems about right ha : P
I’m hoping the sounds will get a bit of TLC as the team continues to work on the aircraft. Either way, great fun as you say, I think I’ve flown it every day I’ve had it so far. Unfortunately, my landings seems to be getting progressively worse though haha : )
All the best
Great review thanks. You tend to focus on the things that I look for. Before I purchased MSFS I was impressed by the blurb about the flight modelling and airflow over the lift surfaces. I must say having flown all the GA models that come with the sim, they all do fly in a simular way, with a definate "on rails" P3d feel, which is dissappointing. The Spit looks to have been added to, aerodynamically, which is great. Hope they keep developing it. Your stall demo was good, but some buffet would have been nice? Ive never flown a Spit and probably never will, but the vets all said that you strap it on and think it into turns, looks like were close to that here! Cheers.
I definitely agree with the on rails feeling! Flight model needs a bit of work
That’s it, no sim seems to do GA particularly well (I haven’t tried any civilian aircraft in DCS mind you). Whilst MSFS certainly has its drawbacks, I find it does the best job of recreating the “feeling” of flight under normal conditions. As soon as you give it something abnormal though, it all falls apart. I think that’s why some people like MSFS and some people don’t. It very much depends on the type of flying you generally do in the sim. The Spit seems to be a step in the right direction anyway. . .
Thanks once again David!
I definitely tried to take on your feedback and show a little more in terms of the flight modelling. Glad it was of interest to you. I generally don’t mind the MSFS flight model, but as I mentioned in another comment, I think that’s because left to my own devices, I just cruise around on little VFR trips. I seem to me in the minority re the flight model in MSFS.
Yes, some more buffet may well be expected. Not having flown a Spitfire myself either, I’m not sure. I don’t even know what the developers can and can’t model with the current SDK. All I can say is, it’s a step in the right direction. I’ve read the same thing many times myself; you don’t strap into a Spitfire, you strap ON a Spitfire. You get some sense of that with this version, though for me, I still don’t think one can beat the A2A version for that feeling : )
Cheers, all the best!
Well, I think I've been convinced. London to Normandy, here I come.
I was just about to buy this, and then decided I'd wait for your review. Perfect timing!
Edit: bought it and love it. Far more challenging than anything else I've used in the sim so far. My first and second landing attempts were unquestionable go-arounds. Might've pulled them off if I had double or triple the amount of runway to play with. My third was a perrrfect three-point landing and I pulled up to a stop in about 200 yards. In my defence, the sim has rendered an enormous tree right at the tip of my local Thurrock airfield, which presents its own challenges.
Haha, I’m glad the review came out at just the right moment, how’s that for customer service?! : P
Doubly glad to hear you’re enjoying the product, you and me both! My landings seem to be getting progressively worse haha. I was pretty chuffed with my landing in the first vid, landed a bit long in the second vid. Just took a little trip out in her this morning and almost came off the end of the runway! Wasn’t even a particularly short runway haha. You really can’t carry any excess speed over the threshold. As you say, a nice little challenge to have in the sim and just such a pleasant aircraft to fly. Wonderful for taking in the UK scenery as well.
Haha, yeah, unfortunately MSFS does seem to have a bit of a habit of putting trees, pylons etc where they’re not wanted. At least if you have to negotiate your way around a tree, you might actually get a glimpse of the runway, rather than it being stuck underneath the nose ha.
Happy flying! : )
Great review, thanks. Just out of interest do you have any filters or anything on the graphics? Just think the ground and vegetation colours look so realistic.
Thanks very much Jonathan, I’m glad you enjoyed the video / found it to be of use!
I don’t believe that I was using any such mods at the time: I do run the Bijan 4 Seasons Pack these days (which can be used to adjust the ground textures somewhat), but I’m fairly sure I recorded this video well before installing the addon. I generally spend quite a bit of time tweaking the weather / lighting in my videos (though less so when this was recorded) and that can have quite a drastic effect on how the sim looks. Ultimately, the sim has been through a lot of changes since I made this video, not all of them good, so it may just be that the ground / vegetation colours looked more realistic back then.
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
Enjoyed this one a lot, thanks. ASI however reads in MPH and not KNOTS, otherwise spot on, thanks
Thanks very much Andrew, happy to hear you enjoyed it - my pleasure!
Haha, yes yes indeed. Just a force of habit unfortunately: I’m so used to to working in knots, sometimes I say it without meaning to.
Cheers again. All the best! : )
Just a recommendation, bump up the game audio a bit, so they are closer to the volume of your voice, those sounds are really cool to hear
Ok, noted and thanks. Obviously a bit of a tricky balance, as during the takeoff for example they’re quite loud and I don’t want it drowning out my voice too much. But as I say, I take it on board for the future : )
All the best
They should make the war planes with a laser tag kind of set up, no killing, just target practice in the air...you hit them in a dog fight and a loud buzzer zings every hit with good aim
Yeah, I thought the same Steve. I can understand why Microsoft doesn’t want weapons in the game, but they could have some sort of laser tag and possibly a smoke system, such that when you “hit” your opponent, the smoke system goes off. I believe there is actually the option to do this for real in the UK actually ha. Since we seem to be getting mostly combat aircraft / jets into the sim so far, it would be nice to give them a little more utility.
Cheers, all the best! : )
Thank you for such an exhaustive review - not all of us want study level! :-)
Thank you very much John!
Haha, well that’s it. But the study level guys find this hard to believe : P
To be fair, I’m definitely a “study level” kind of guy, but doing these reviews and MSFS in general, has reminded me that you can still have a great time out with a well-made product, regardless of its complexity. There’s a difference between complexity and quality. A lack of complexity doesn’t necessarily equal a lack of quality.
Anyway, this Spit is great fun! All the best to you! : )
The recent update (Dec 2021) has made the Spitfire much, much better to fly.
Awesome! I saw the update, thought it looked promising. Looking forward to trying it myself at some point then. I think she’s due another video again soon as well. . .
Cheers! : )
Nothing beat the Spitfire in IL2 Sturmovik, but nice !
Still haven’t taken the time to install IL2 and check it out. I keep meaning to and really should! The original IL2 was one of my favourite sims of all time.
This one is still a very nice option for MSFS though : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Do it! It is so fun and looks great in VR. Luckily the startup sequence is now automatic so you can just press E instead having to memorize it. If you want instant dogfight, join the Beloga server. If you want complex scenarios (anything up to 1 month campaign with ressource managment), fly with a group. Would make for some nice videos! Get Battle of Stalingrad and wait on Steam until there's a sale of the other, newer addons, if you want to save money. Happens about 3x per year.
Thanks very much for all the info!
What’s really terrible is that I have quite a bit of IL2 content already purchased on Steam, just never got around to trying it out (except Cliffs of Dover - which I actually recorded a video in, but have yet to upload). I had always planned for the channel to be a variety of different flight simulation content (not just civilian), so I will buck up my ideas and get downloading! : )
Thanks again, all the best!
My opinion is like your opinion dude !....the best spitfire ever !
Hi Zein,
It’s certainly the most beautiful Spit I’ve ever seen in a sim! Hopefully the systems will get finished off and Asobo will improve the MSFS aerodynamics model, so that this Spit can be right up there with the very best! : )
Well the fact you had an attempt is a plus to me and things can only improve from an attempt. The far away sounds were okay but the way I think they do it on other games is they sample loads of sounds of different parameters, different rpm, different distances and they compile it somehow because in the sound files for Il2 there's all different engine types and different sounds for each ie: merlin1600, merlin2000, merlin far and merlin close for example. Thats just a guess but since you did attempt it then I commend it and I look forward to seeing more if you are 👍
Hehe, thanks man. I agree, from afar it sounds somewhat convincing, but as it passes by it sounds quite flat.
Sounds engines etc certainly isn’t something I know much about, interesting to know though, so thanks for that!
All the best
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well as long as it helps to create the perfect spitfire simulation. See the spitfire (and other planes) sound really good in il2 but the models, being from 2004 are quite accurate but quite low poly too whereas this has an almost perfect model but the sounds need perfecting. Can't beat a real one though, no coding, just good engineering and the combustion engine to create the sound
It’s always the same in flight simulation isn’t it. If you could just take a little bit from everywhere, we’d have the perfect experience haha!
As you say though, you’ll never beat the real thing. Even if you just make the perfect recording, you still won’t capture the sensation of the real thing going past, the vibrations, the “electric” feeling it brings with it.
I’m always amazed that it was by complete accident, that they designed something that sounds just so wonderful! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yeah I always imagined a day when a game like this was made. Basically the "life game" where all different game makers combine to make the everything game where you can do anything but in any style with the whole world and selections of time you can go to. In sandbox, realistic and combat etc. Though power requirements would probably be years ahead current stuff and here I am trying to get old games to run decent on a much outdated system.
About the sound irl, it's amazing how simple explosions in an engine exploding really quickly can create a sound like that, despite each of the 12 pistons being the size of an adult hand
Thanks for the good review! I wish the P8 compass was modelled properly, don't really buy that it's simplified for casual use when there's the flight gyroscope on the front dash which can be used for compass headings as well. Plenty of planes had decently modelled the P8s in the older sims. The rear wheel not being free moving is more than a minor niggle in my mind as that's one of the reasons why the Spit is a beast to handle on the ground IRL as there's no locking mechanism to keep it straight and the bloody thing just wants to turn where it wants but as that's a limitation with the sim I'll give them a pass. Aside from those things it does look rather splendid and I'll probably have to end up buying it. Thanks gain. Cheers!
Thanks, my pleasure Megadyptes!
Yeah, I’d certainly prefer if it had been modelled correctly. I don’t actually know the rationale behind it, that was just a guess on my part. I’m sure they’d have gotten a lot of bug reports that the “compass doesn’t even work” haha. I wonder if the FlyingIron guys haven’t even misunderstood it themselves, because the manual would seem to suggest they believe it to be modelled correctly. They link to a very nice video by “DreamsofWings”, which is actually the guy I learnt how to use it from in the first place haha. Obviously the video and the FlyingIron P8 don’t correlate though.
As you say, the DI would have worked just fine for most, although I tink that could use a little work too. Seems to behave more like a compass than a gyro. Tailwheel I can certainly give them a pass on either way. As you say, if it’s not in the SDK, not much they can do.
I believe an update is in the works, which fixes some of my gripes, maybe some of yours will be also. I don’t mind a few bugs, so long as they are fixed expeditiously. They seem like a good bunch of guys, happy to take on board feedback etc. That’s what you want to see from a developer.
Everything else aside though, I’ve flown it every day I’ve had it. Still having a blast! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I bought the spit the other day but my headphones decided to die just before I was about to fly it and I refuse to use the crappy built in speakers on my monitor so had to wait until today when I got some replacements to give the spit a try and it's fantastic! Also the manual is really quite nice, makes a change from some devs who just like to throw in a real life manual where 90% of it isn't really useful for sim use.
Ah great! Very happy to hear you’re enjoying it!
I would hate to praise a product and then someone buy it and not like it, feel like they’ve wasted their money etc, but inevitably this will happen from time to time. I think that FlyingIron have done a lovely job with it overall and I’m glad you agree. Definitely the right move waiting on the headphones ; )
Yes, a lot of manuals now seem to be real-world examples. That’s fine up to a point, but a POH won’t teach you how to fly the aircraft, or “remove the tablet from the yoke” etc. That’s what people really need from an addon manual (though real POH information is always welcome too of course).
Anyway once again, glad you’re enjoying it. Happy flying!
Spitfire: In IL2, DCS and now MSFS2020. The more the merrier! Cheers.
Absolutely!
We also have A2A in FSX / P3D and FlyingIron in X-Plane as well. You’re pretty spoilt for choice if you want to fly a Spitfire virtually, but that’s as it should be! As you say; the more the merrier!
Thanks and all the best : )
Does the download include a startup checklist that will highlight what lever/ switch you're supposed to adjust and when? I have the Xbox series X and am considering getting this plane because the review really caught my attention. Did the most recent updates make it easier to fly?
Hello Tim,
Sorry for the slow reply - I wanted to test the checklist functionality before I got back to you. So, the aircraft does indeed include a startup checklist that will highlight the controls / actions required; I have found that it is a bit hit and miss though (ie some items highlight correctly, others don't).
The aircraft is certainly much easier to fly now than it once was, still a bit of a handful (and I imagine the takeoff might be a bit tricky with an Xbox controller) but of course the Spit was a bit of a handful in reality as well.
I hope that helps. Let me know if there's anything else you would like to know. All the best! : )
I live in Christchurch so was disappointed to find the needles wearnt there, such an iconic part of the south coast too, hope they add them in soon
Indeed! Such an iconic part of the UK, I was amazed it wasn’t included in the update! I would still love an MSFS Orbx True Earth for the UK. Whilst the Asobo update was ok, it’s still missing a lot of features and the terrain is still so-so. I gather Orbx now have a landmarks pack for UK central, I would imagine South and North will be covered as well. Maybe / hopefully we’ll get to see The Needles then : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I hope so, ive got the Spitefire and would love to do a flyby of the needles, would make for a cracking shot
It certainly would! : D
Great video as always. Do you know if this will be available on the MSFS market place?
Also will you be doing a review of the Carenado Arrow?
Thanks.
he did its here ua-cam.com/video/y5G_bZF8MRc/v-deo.html also i would buy the just flight arrow instead much better carendos aircraft look good but thats about it they feel like a copy and paste the 182t , mooney pa44 and arrow all have the same engine sound no wonder they been shiting out aircraft like candy
Thanks very much Tufnel, glad you enjoyed it! : )
I think I managed to answer your questions during the stream (I know you posted this beforehand), but just in case you missed it: I believe the plan is to bring it to the Marketplace yes. Not sure how long that will take though; there usually seems to be about a 1 month lag time.
Definitely planning on reviewing the Carenado Arrow yes. I just want to do it after the Just Flight one has released. 1) As a gesture of respect to JF, since they were kind enough to provide me with a review copy of their Arrow. 2) I do feel the JF version will be the better product, so I want people to be able to contrast.
Cheers
Actually Peter, I haven’t looked at the Carenado version just yet (although I do plan to, after the JF version has been released). That video was another preview of the Just Flight version.
As you say, I think the Just Flight Arrow will be the obvious choice for most people. To be fair I’ve actually been happy with all my MSFS Carenado purchases to date, but there’s no doubting the Just Flight Arrow will be by far the superior product overall.
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes I noticed that I got confused I didn’t notice till now and when I wrote the comment I thought the second video on the arrow was the carenado one since I saw ur just flight arrow vid a day before
Too many Arrows flying around at the moment, that’s the problem ha!
Plane go brrrrrr
@into the blue simulations - I appreciate that you are a busy man. Have you tried the new update 1.2.1? I can't get the fuel pressue gauge to go out any more, so am grounded..
Hi MM,
I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to try it yet, indeed I just haven't been able to find the time haha XD
Did you manage to get the issue resolved in the end?
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I haven't tried but the developer told me that you need to set the mixture to Auto to start her now.. another patch is in the works, hopefully with a fix for the canopy texture too!
Ah ok, thanks for the info! Glad you got to the bottom of it at any rate : )
Hello, is it possible to fly the plane with some high level of automatisation? For example with automatic checklist, and mixture of gas etc. automatic control ?
Hi Szufla,
To some degree, yes. You can do an automatic start, turn auto-mixture on in the sim. The aircraft does not have any autopilot modes, but if you turn the autopilot on, the aircraft will fly straight and level. The sim also has a “virtual copilot” that can fly the plane for you (though it isn’t very good). Takeoffs and landings are very manual, but you can alway slew the aircraft, or even just start in the air! So it’s somewhat doable, but I must say the aircraft isn’t entirely suited to it I’m afraid. . .
Hope that helps? : )
The exhausts could have done with a more rugged/weathered look, but overall really impressive!
Yeah, it’s not perfect, there are a few little things I’d like to see improved as well. As you say though, overall it’s a really impressive product! : )
All the best
What happens when you you missed one of the starting procedure? Or like when you taxi when the oil temp hasnt gone up? Does the plane still fly?
Yes the plane will still fly. Unlike the A2A Spitfire, currently the FlyingIron Spit is very forgiving in terms of systems, engine management etc. As far as I’m aware, you can’t damage the engine. There are one or two procedures that are critical (like have the fuel tank pressure selector on at altitude), but for the most part, so long as the engine is running, you’ll be able to get the aircraft up in the air. It’s not study level in this respect.
Hope that helps : )
Great review, would like to have less pitch stepping on the sounds when accelerating/decelerating and more of a Merlin roar on external flybys but overall, quality.
Thanks very much Coxy! : )
I do agree that the sounds could use some more work, particularly externally. The flyby did sound a bit “flat”. Overall I was quite happy with the sounds, but I know they weren’t to everyone’s taste. As you say though, sounds aside and a few minor details that will be addressed in the next update, the product is sheer quality!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations, Skunkcrafts P51 in Xplane 11 sets the bar pretty high on authentic Merlin flyby Immersion, that's my current yardstick on piston engined warbird sound reproduction.
Hmm okay, I’ll have to check out some UA-cam vids, thanks. A lot of people keep singing the Praises of the RealAir Spitfire as well. . .
I always thought the DCS Spitfire didn’t sound half bad, but maybe it will pale into comparison with the above haha. Looking forward to hearing what they sound like when I get a moment then. Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations, try a UA-cam by 'buz zzz', it's nearly 30 mins long but just shuffle through as it's all pure aircraft sounds, no music. Check the fast, static and slow flybys... 👍
Ok, will do. Thanks very much! : )
By the way, I looked up that X-Plane P51, very impressive audio (and indeed aircraft)!
Thanks for the nice review video. What would you say on this Spitfire vs the Corsair?
Thank you, my pleasure!
Oooo, that’s a tough one! My head would say Corsair, my heart would say Spitfire haha. Both aircraft are excellent in their own right, though I think it would be difficult to argue that the Corsair isn’t the more accurate product overall.
Corsair Pros
- More comprehensive systems and flight modelling
- “Feels” as you expect it would
- Bordering on a “study level” representation of the aircraft
- Munitions modelled (to some degree - if purchased outside of the sim).
Spitfire Pros
- Stunning visual model inside and out
- More pleasant to fly
- More forgiving
- FPS friendly
- Cheaper
- It’s a Spitfire : P
In most other areas the products are broadly similar. FlyingIron have done a lot of work on the Spit since its release and it has come a long way. It now flies much more plausibly, sounds better, has more comprehensive systems modelling etc. MILVIZ tend to patch much less often, but with bigger updates (the last update was amazing!).
In terms of overall quality, I would have to say the Corsair clinches it, but as a Brit, I think I would take the Spitfire by a hairs breadth.
Sorry that’s a bit non-committal. I hope it helps a bit anyway. Happy to answer any more specific questions if you have them. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the reply. Sounds about just as i was expecting.
I am looking to get one of them but honesly after over a week of feverish searching and trying to decide, watching every YT video i can find, i have to say it is impossible to chose.
I may just end up getting both, but then again, the DCS Corsair and Mossie are also getting closer every day.
Yikes, i am getting a breakdown lmao
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Ended up with the Corsair, what an brute. It really hauls ass even at low power settings. I hardly get time to take in the scenery :P
Nice! Yeah, she’s got some grunt! As I said previously, I think it really feels / flies as you might expect it to. A lump of flying iron, with a ruddy big engine pulling it along haha. At least you can see a blur going past the windows when you’re in the cruise - can’t see much of anything during the takeoff / landing XD
Lovely effort from MILVIZ though. Hope you’re enjoying it - happy flying! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Oh absolutely. Really lovely bird, very happy with the purchase. Started a trip with it from north eastern Canada with the destination being southern Florida and if it stays fun perhaps even further
What is the best MSFS Spitfire From Aeroplane Heaven, or Flying Iron Simulations Supermarine Spitfire MKIX. I have Flying Iron Simulations Supermarine Spitfire MKIX
Hi Talnes,
Well as far as I’m aware, Aeroplane Heaven haven’t released their MSFS Spitfire yet. It looks to be coming along nicely though and certainly it will be very competitive against the Flying Iron Spitfire in many areas.
I should hopefully be getting my hands on the Aeroplane Heaven Spitfire at some point, so I will be sure to carry out a full review of the product when I’m able to do so and hopefully you will be able to judge between the two more accurately then : )
All the best!
@into the blue simulations I finally revisited this plane after hours and hours of frustration trying to get her off the ground. Finally have some clean takeoffs, but even with full nose down trim she wants to rocket straight up and she just rolls all over the place. I thought maybe aileron trim? I can't get a straight level out of her to save my life. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Hi Andrew,
Well I’m glad some progress has been made : )
The first thing that springs to mind: Are you sure you don’t have your sim’s flight model (in settings) set to “Legacy”, as opposed to “Modern”? - that tends to cause the sorts of behaviours you’re describing.
Check that first and we’ll see what we can figure out thereafter.
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations reinstalled and ran the update. All of a sudden I'm Johnnie Johnson. Something must have gone horribly wrong with my initial install. It was truly like trying to fly in a monsoon originally.
I'm defiantly a noob when it comes to MSFS. I bought this but have had some issues with it where I can't fly it.
I cannot manually start the engine, despite following many tutorials. I have to just Ctrl+e to start it everytime.
It seems very front heavy. It ends up on its nose when Taxiing and when in the air it never flies straight and wants to fly to the left and down all the time.
What is wrong with my plane? (I'm righting this before watching the whole video, so maybe I'll notice something that I have previously missed)
Hi Michael,
For the engine start, I'm afraid it would be very difficult to help without seeing what you're doing.
The Spit is indeed rather front-heavy, especially when taxiing. The aircraft was known for its poor ground handling; it has a big beefy V12 up the front and a rather narrow undercarriage, which makes it quite easy to tip the nose over etc. Use full back-stick whenever you're taxiing and go very gently on the brakes.
As for the tendency for the aircraft to want to dive and turn left - it sounds like you probably aren't trimming the aircraft? You'll need to use elevator and rudder trim to help keep the aircraft straight and level (again this is quite normal for the Spit).
It won't cover all of the issues you raise here, but you might find this video more useful:
ua-cam.com/video/CuNVl84p7VM/v-deo.html
I hope that helps a little! Cheers and all the best : )
When I take off it yaws to the right like Im applying rudder but Im not then when I apply opposite rudder it doesn't work how can I fix this?
Hi Cliq,
Are you using any rudder trim? The checklist does actually call for rudder trim during the takeoff, as that powerful Merlin engine produces a lot of torque etc. Also, avoid using full power unless you have to - the more power you use, the trickier the takeoff will be.
It’s a bit dated now (so things may have changed a little with subsequent updates), but you might find this of help:
ua-cam.com/video/CuNVl84p7VM/v-deo.html
Hopefully that will give you some useful tips in helping you deal with the Spitfire.
Cheers and all the best : )
FlyingIron released an updated version of the Spitfire on 3/13 (v.1.0.1). Includes a good list of updates and changes, one of which being the flight model to which they now warn "Overall, the flight dynamics have been made more realistic and therefore the Spitfire is now slightly more difficult to fly (especially on takeoff)."
It was already a handful to start with. Even at 5.0 rudder trim and trying to ease into the throttle it still yaws left hard and starts to tip the wing. Ugh....anyone have advice on how to properly spool it up on takeoff roll to reduce those effects? I have rudder pedals, too, and even with using those it's extremely twitchy.
I saw they’ve released an update, haven’t had the chance to try it myself yet though.
In the real Spit, you should trim full right rudder for the takeoff (I don’t know if that equates to 5.0?), so maybe try that. Other than that yeah, sounds like you’re doing everything right. Verrrry slowly ease in the throttle and build up plenty of airspeed before you reach takeoff boost. You don’t need full power either, around 8psi on the boost should do it. Avoid crosswinds as well, I think it was somewhat rare for aircraft of this era to be taking off in any real crosswind (as most airfields were either literally that, a field, or had 3 runways).
Once I’ve had a chance to try the update for myself, I’ll let you know if I can come up with any more tips : )
All the best!
I had another go in the Spit.
Neutral trim and 8lb of boost, I as still finding the takeoff controllable. I have another viewer having the same issue though. So either it’s a takeoff settings issue, a controls issue, or yet another weird sim bug that only some people seem to get.
Perhaps try neutral trim and 8lb boost and see how you go with that?
Cheers, all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I don't know if it is still relevent after 5 months but I believe some of the rudder assistance in MSFS can actually make takeoff more difficult. Switching that off may help.
Is that so Jan? Well that’s rather counterproductive isn’t it haha. I always have all of the assistance turned off, so that wouldn’t have been affecting me. Actually, since last update or so, the Spitfire handles very nicely on the ground now : )
Thanks for the info, much appreciated. All the best!
do you ever experience issues where your throttle or power cuts out? I cannot figure out what's going on, it happens every flight after about 10 minutes or so
Hi Mike,
Off the top of my head; does it happen in the climb? Above about 10,000ft, you need to pressurise the fuel tank, so as not to starve the engine. You will need to turn on the little butterfly shaped selector, bottom-left of the main panel.
If that sounds about right, give it a go and let me know whether that resolves your issues. Otherwise, can you let me know any more details about what’s happening and under what conditions etc?
Cheers! : )
I’d hazard a guess you quite like the Spitfire.
How do I keep the flying iron spitfire from always wanting to push the nose downwards in flight?
Hello Scott,
Apologies if I am asking the obvious, but are you making use of the elevator trim? Trim is certainly the way to go, in terms of reducing pilot workload / input on the controls. If the aircraft is exhibiting a strange pitch down behaviour, then perhaps make sure that the centre of gravity is within limits (via the sim's load and balance menu). It's also possible that perhaps the addon needs a fix after a previous sim update, but I'm not sure on that one.
I hope that helps? All the best! : )
Huge question and thanks in advance.. here’s my specs (I have no idea what they mean, my friend is lending it to me while at school):
AMD 6-core ryzen 5-3600 3.8 ghz turbo to 4.2 ghz
-Windows 10 pro
-16GB DDR-2666
-500GB Solid State
-NVidia G Force RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6
Can I run VR smoothly on it with whatever headset you recommend? Trying to finally live the dream!
I’m afraid I don’t really have the answer I’m sure you were hoping for. Can you run VR? Sure. Smoothly? Probably not I’m afraid.
I have a very similar system myself, but with more RAM and a better graphics card. I can get “OK” performance sometimes, but mostly it’s far from ideal. That being said, I do have some of the graphics options turned up and I am running a HP Reverb G2, which does require more from the computer. In general the sim just puts a lot of strain on current hardware though (even in 2D).
Again though, overall you would be able to run VR. With the graphics options all turned down and a lower resolution headset, it should be “OK”. The sim won’t look nearly as nice, but if it’s your first VR experience, you probably still won’t be disappointed? VR is an amazing experience, there’s no doubt about it! It’s so much more immersive and once you’ve tried it, it’s very hard to go back to 2D.
I can only really recommend the headsets I’ve actually tried of course, but I’m a big fan of the Samsung Odyssey and I would recommend that to you as it’s reasonably priced and the resolution is such that it’s better suited to your system. It’s also a really nice headset generally.
I hope that all helps a bit and good luck! : )
I just bought the plane but I have a problem, that when I start to fly it like 5 minutes later it star to smoke like an engine failure but on the settings, everything about engine failure its off. I need help!
Hi Kirskevin,
When you say everything is turned off; do you mean in the sim, or on the aircraft itself, or both? The Spit has its own engine damage model, separate of the sim. So that needs to be turned off if you don’t want any engine damage : )
All the best!
Not an expert but you might be over boosting the engine. These planes were supercharged. If you set the manifold pressure too high, the engine will eventually destroy itself.
this is not a mk9 but a later model mk9 had a more rounded tail fin
How many catch themselves turning their head to change the view and realize you are not flying and don't have Track Ir on?
Haha, I’ve even done that myself a few times, when watching the videos after editing! : D
Wow.. just got this and 1x cold start.
Can you tell me what the boost is ?
I'm having overheat problems from my first few flights.
V cool.
Haha, yeah the Spit can be a bit of a handful initially!
The boost is basically a measure of how much engine power you’re using. You’re probably overheating the engine because you’re running the engine too hard and / or not getting enough air through the radiators.
Generally speaking, full power was used very rarely in these sorts of aircraft, really only in combat and even then for short periods. So if you run full power all of the time, the engine is liable to overheat. Similarly the engine is liquid cooled, using two radiators under the wing. The more airflow going through these radiators, the easier it is for the system to cool the engine. So high speed = good for cooling, low speed = bad.
Off the top of my head for boost settings;
Takeoff = 8 / Full rpm
Climb = 2 / 2600 rpm
Cruise = 2 or less / 2400 rpm.
Those might not be exact, but they should do the trick.
Hope that helps a little bit and keeps your Spit nice and cool! ; )
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks for your detailed reply.
I found it more manageable dropping the prop RPM to 80% or less after take off. Still learning about that one, it's kinda like there's two throttles.
If you're happy to explain that lever I'd be appreciative also :) it doesn't seem to be explained in the manual.
Really nice change, going through the whole cold start, taxi, engine maintenance in flight, then landing and shut off. I've also switched rudder from the flightstick to the paddles on my TWCS throttle - much better using both sides of the brain for the two different surfaces.
Thanks again.
You’re most welcome!
Re using the prop rpm to control the engine, of course that’s absolutely fine (in the sim) if it works for you and you find it easier, but in reality you might well end up inducing a big old explosion! : D
The simplest way to think of the rpm controls, is a bit like the gears on your bicycle. The throttle controls how much energy you put into peddling and the rpm is like changing up or down gears (high rpm is like a low gear and vice versa). In essence, it’s easier for the engine to turn the propeller at high rpm. As you reduce rpm, it becomes harder and harder for the engine to turn the prop (harder and harder for you to peddle), but if you provide enough power from the engine it will keep trying to turn the prop nonetheless. Imagine if your pedals were made from wood; it’s plausible that you would put in enough energy trying to overcome a high gear, that you might break them. It’s the same for your engine (even more so with a powerful supercharged engine like the Merlin).
So, in short, you want to avoid high boost and low rpm (on any aircraft really). As such, you should generally always operate the engine controls in the following order:
Increasing Power
1) Increase mixture
2) Increase prop rpm / pitch
3) Increase throttle.
Decreasing Power
1) Reduce throttle
2) Reduce prop rpm /pitch
3) Reduce mixture.
Again, of course do whatever you prefer / find easier, but if you want to be realistic, that’s the way you want to be operating the engine.
Hope that helps clarify some more. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations so good.. thanks again, I better read that a few times lol
You’re most welcome! Sorry, I probably could have written it a bit more succinctly haha, but I think all the info is there more or less : )
it doesn't cast shadows on the ground like all other ms2020 plane does in overcast and sunshine and the wheels are under the ground on parking if it is ment to be low tire pressure it looks fake and the taxing or ground handling can be improved other than that my spitt is premium made looks nice
Sounds fair Ted.
I didn’t notice the shadow issue actually. Interesting. . . Be a shame not to see those elliptical wings running over the ground. I wasn’t sure about the tyres myself; whether that’s clipping or a “low pressure” look. Personally I didn’t mind it, but it’s on the edge of what looks acceptable. Agree the ground handling is off, but FlyingIron admit this themselves. Currently MSFS doesn’t support a casting tailwheel, so that’s at least part of the reason it feels odd.
As you say, overall the Spit has clearly seen a lot of love and attention. I know they are continuing to work on it, so hopefully they’ll continue to polish it up!
Cheers, all the best! : )
You used the throttle to check the gear light, but didn’t you just switch the battery on with that movement?
In the sim yes, it’s essentially a battery switch. If I recall correctly though, in the real aircraft it is a switch to turn on the gear indication light (and a couple of other systems as well I believe, on the later MKs). The battery is always “ON” (unless disconnected by the ground crew). The switch is there, basically so you can turn off the light and stop it draining the battery. I guess it is designed like this so that you can’t forget to turn it on.
I could be wrong on that, but I seem to recall reading it somewhere once upon a time. . .
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks!
You’re welcome! : )
Not sure I want to get this, until Asobo have tweaked the ground handling.
Fair enough man. The ground handling of the aircraft is generally a bit simplified anyway I think. So even if Asobo do improve things on their end, I wouldn’t expect this aircraft to handle completely like a Spit on the ground.
All the best!
Can someone tell me what the music he uses during the return sequence is
I can do you one better than that! ; )
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It’s “I vow to thee my country” (although the tune itself is originally from “Jupiter” of Holst’s Planets suite - also an excellent piece of music). The version I used here I think is particularly beautiful, it’s played a little more slowly than usual.
Glad you like it! It’s one of my favourite pieces of classical music of all time : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for that :)
My pleasure! : )
How do you control the boost separately?
Boost should operate separately from the prop rpm (up to a point) by default Packadapod. Does yours not? Boost is mapped to the throttle control in the sim. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question a bit?
Let me know how it’s working on your end and I’ll see if I can’t offer some more help : )
Cheers!
how do I purchase this add-on to my msfs 2020?
Hi John,
You can either purchase it direct from the in-game Marketplace (probably the easiest option), or purchase it from the FlyingIron website. I’m not familiar with the Microsoft Store, but if you’re using the Steam version of the sim, you will need to purchase Steam credits and then buy the product using those (the process is more or less automated for you).
Does that answer your question?
All the best : )
" into the blue simulation " I get what you mean it's about Morpheus and Neo when Morpheus ask Neo to choose the blue till or the red pill. Am I right?
Haha, that’s a very interesting take on it Helder!
Actually, it’s much more simple than that. I originally called the channel “Into the Blue” as in, “into the sky”. But I then added “Simulations”, as I though it made it more clear what the channel was actually about.
I hadn’t seen it from your point of view though; that’s a very creative way of thinking about it. Much more so than mine ha!
only thing i dont like is the start up sound, as the Merlin didnt use an inertia starter.
Indeed. Others have mentioned the same. I “like” the sound, it’s a great noise, but of course it would be nice to get an accurate startup sound at some point in the future.
Cheers : )
As ever great rewiev, but all the external shots are completely distorted due to using zoom rather than moving camera back. You are not the only reliever doing this I am afraid, but it does distract from an otherwise brilliant review.
Thanks Fryns Fryns.
Yes, very valid criticism. Unfortunately it’s the zoom level the sim defaults to, hence why many videos are filmed this way I suppose. I have tried playing around with the zoom a bit, I found that when zooming in, the aspect still doesn’t look quite right then with regards to the terrain. It’s also a pain having to reset the zoom every time you change cameras. I will have another look into it though, I’m sure there’s some guidance available online.
Thanks very much for the feedback.
How the heck do I control RPM independent of Throttle/boost?
Hi Christopher,
You can either use your mouse to move the prop control lever (just to the right of the throttle), or assign a key / axis to “propellor pitch” via the control assignments menu.
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations papa bless
Great review as ever. You picked up the inaccurate modelling of the P8 compass in your previous review. Now that I 've had a chance to "fly" the simulation, I've a couple of additional comments. The Merlin engine response is a bit slow judging by the boost gauge. The Spit is sensitive in pitch but I believe FlyingIron have overdone it. I found the aircraft to be dynamically unstable, which isn't realistic. It can be solved by reducing sensitivity on the controls menu. Other than that, the modelling is superb, especially the textures. The other offerings will have to be very good to beat this one.
Thanks very much and thank you for the info! Interesting to learn a little bit more about how she stacks up vs the real thing.
As I say, I saw this product more as a Spitfire “experience”, than a Spitfire simulation. Visually it’s just stunning and it does a great job (I think) of conveying the overall feel of the aircraft, even if it isn’t bang on the numbers. I’m hoping we’ll continue to see updates from the developers, as there are a few little areas I’d like to see polished. I know their X-Plane model is very highly regarded and purports to operate within 5% of the real aircrafts numbers. Once again though, I just think it’s great fun more than anything.
I’m glad it wasn’t just me noticing the P8. It was one of those things where I knew it wasn’t right, but I still had this tiny nagging doubt that maybe I’ve simply misunderstood how it works after all these years haha.
As you say, a very solid offering and one that I think sets a new benchmark for MSFS addons to meet.
Thanks again and all the best : )
Is it worth 35 dollars thought i do love the aircraft it looks nice but i just want them to build Combat Flight simuator.
Hi David,
The prices on their website are actually AUD (just in case you weren’t aware - I wasn’t initially), so it’s actually closer to $27 USD. Is it worth it? That’s very much up to the individual, but I’m very happy with it at that price. Been flying it almost every day since I picked it up and I’m really enjoying my time in it. Sure you won’t get full utility out of it (no combat), but I prefer taking in the scenery anyway personally. I believe the Spit in IL2 is pretty good and you can pick that up fairly cheaply when it’s on sale, if you’d rather have the combat option.
All the best : )
Get the IL-2 Great Battles series: Battle of Stalingrad and later releases. Great looking, very realistic, VR enabled modelling and a lively online community for dogfighting to complex month-long online campaign. You get Spitfires, Hirricanes, BF109, BF110, Stukas, etc. etc. included. Even half a dozen different models of most fighters (from early to late war). Also there is a WWI addon which is great especially in VR.
the flickering is almost certainly a sim issue. It doesn't flicker with ultra settings for me.
Yes, I figured it would be. I get it on almost every addon aircraft. It seems to occur when you have one transparent layer on top of another. Interesting to know it doesn’t occur on ultra though. . .
Cheers : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations okayt it does kinda happen on ultra but only when the sun is behind you, on my rig. I hope they get that TAA mode working soon.
Yeah, positioning definitely affects it on my end. Doesn’t really bother me that much honestly, but it would be nice to have it fixed of course.
I’m sure it’s in the loooong list of items that need fixing in the sim haha!
The only issue I may see is it’s top speed. I real life th mk9 had a top speed of 407 mph although I would still be expected around 380 mph
Interesting Jesse. Would that not be 407 mph TAS though, as opposed to IAS? Again, I’m no Spitfire expert, but 407 mph IAS sounds awfully fast for a prop.
Otherwise yeah, the model is a bit slow. . .
Cheers : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yeah but as far as I know these are ias at around 15,000ft and also the p-51d could achieve 437mph and the sea fury could achieve 460mpj
I’m fairly sure these will be true airspeeds then Jesse. Altitude won’t make much difference to indicated airspeed, all things being equal (well, if anything aircraft max IAS will be reduced at high altitude as Mach effects start to kick in). True airspeed on the other hand will increase as the aircraft climbs. At 15,000ft, you would expect roughly an extra 30% on top of IAS so about 420kts TAS, if the aircraft is doing 320kts IAS.
I did have a very quick look online, seems the maximum TAS for the MKIX was around 380kts at 15,000ft. So the Flying Iron Spit seems about right based on that.
That’s my take on it anyway : )
Very well done videos, but you tend to be up too close to the aircraft on every external pic of it and it distorts the actual dimensions of the plane. Would be nice if you could include some views of the aircraft that are not always, 'magnifying glass" close and filling the entire screen from edge to edge. You can't get a feel for the real dimensions of the aircraft when it's always distorted in those close ups.
Thank you very much, glad you’re enjoying the videos!
I certainly take your point, I think it’s a little trickier than that though: I don’t think it’s so much the proximity, as it is the zoom. By default MSFS’s zoom seems to be too far out and creates a bit of a fish eye effect. I have tried different zoom settings, but I’ve yet to find something I’m totally happy with and so tend to leave it in the default (so that at least everything is consistent). I have to say I do enjoy my close up angles though yes (clearly haha). I find it more aesthetically pleasing and think it gives more of an impression of size; rather than being zoomed out, where the aircraft starts to look a bit like a toy (to me). Just a personal preference / aesthetic choice I suppose.
I certainly appreciate the feedback though and will look into the zoom settings once again.
Thanks very much and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I really enjoy your videos. You're very thorough and provide very helpful critiques of the aircraft you review. I bought both the FG-1D Corsair and the Spitfire based on your reviews. They were spot on. Both aircraft are superb.
Perhaps it's not your "zoom" settings, but your resolution setting? Several resolution settings "stretch / distort" the aircraft. For a 16:9 screen, you need a `1.77 aspect ratio for everything to be at proper, accurate proportion. For instance, 1920 X 1080 gives you a 1.77 aspect ratio when you divide the smaller number into the bigger one. Native 4k also provides a 1.77 aspect ratio. Some resolutions in between will distort / stretch the aircraft away from its proper proportions.
In any case. You put a great deal of time and effort into your videos. That is readily apparent in the quality of them. You are my go to guy for any new MSFS airplane reviews. Keep up the outstanding work. And thank you.
Thank you very much once again! Glad you’re enjoying the Corsair and the Spit. The Spit just had a nice update actually.
I use a 1080p resolution, so I’m not sure it would be that. Out of interest, is it just my videos you notice this on then (and not other MSFS videos)?
I certainly want to / try to make the highest quality content that I can, so I really appreciate any constructive feedback, thanks! As I say though, I’d be reticent to give up the closeup angles etc, I feel it’s part of the channels “style” / identity now. If I can get rid of the distortion, without giving up the aesthetic, I’d be more than happy to do so though.
Incredibly kind of you to say and I’m glad you’re finding the reviews useful!
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I used 1080 for FS too, before getting a 3090 card. I think the programmed / fixed external views tend to look "fisheye / distorted" more than a free moving external view. I have screen shots that have the plane close up while still being perfectly in proper proportion. You can use and map free moving external views to your hat switch and they don't do the "fisheye" thing like the fixed point external cam views do. Using the drone can also allow you to adjust an external view in "follow mode" that doesn't distort the aircraft's proper proportions.
I can't attach photo's here to show you how I get very close up with no distortion or I'd include some. Try using external views that are not fixed views and adjust your distance on the free view external cam with zoom.
for me, that's the scroll wheel on my mouse.
Everyone likes what they do. It's your channel and you like views that are too close up and distorted for my taste, but they are YOUR videos and should be how YOU prefer them. I like to see the entire aircraft, not just distorted sections of it filling the entire screen. Still, your advice, piloting skill, and critiques are worth watching every minute of them. Again....keep up the great work.
I’m actually using the drone camera, as opposed to fixed views haha. Anyway, I’ll have a fiddle around again and see if I can’t improve things. I do prefer the closeups, but I’d be more than happy to get rid of the distortion! At least then I’ll be 50% of the way towards keeping everyone happy ; )
Once again thank you very much for your constructive and kind feedback!
All the best : )
Have you tried the May 2023 update? Cheers!
Hi Mr S,
I have tried the update, but only very briefly (installed it and took the Spit for one quick lap around the circuit). Are you still on the fence about purchasing?
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well, I've had it for two years, but was relieved to find that a new setting made take-off far easier. It just seemed counterintuitive. Anyway, thanks for getting back.
My pleasure on the reply, sir!
Haha, the FI Spit’s flight model has certainly been through some ups and downs; takeoff’s seem to flip-flop back and forth, between being fairly straightforward, or incredibly tricky. I’m glad to hear that things have been ironed out again XD
Happy flying : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Whew, indeed. In dicey company with the Waco and Corsair. Cheers!
What version is this?
Hi Jason,
This is the (current) release version. The team are currently working on an update for it though I believe.
..I just bought this on Xbox aaand can't close my door or canopy. I'm pretty tilted right now.
Sorry to hear that Travis! I don’t own an Xbox, so I’m not sure whether the aircraft is currently bugged, or whether it’s a specific issue you’re having. Did you manage to get things figured out?
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I managed to confirm other people have the bug on Xbox. You literally cannot cold/dark start.. for $40.
Gunna be the last plane I buy for a long while me thinks.
Did they ever fix these issues! Does the download include a startup checklist? I have the Xbox series X and am considering getting this plane because the review really caught my attention.
@@timwilliams7925 checklist is included. The canopy works, but there's a bug preventing the door from closing on Xbox. It only affects cold/dark starts, and is rightfully disappointing, but no update that I've seen yet.
The plane is fun otherwise. Very challenging, I crash land nearly all the time.
@@equious8413 thanks! I might have to check it out but also expect to crash a lot.
I have this in my hangar, earlier today i tried to fly from Eggemoen airport to Flesland(Bergen) airport but ran out of fuel over the Hardanger fjord. Did not know how to turn on extarnal tank. Figured that out and next attempt I started to use the fuel from the extaral tank, and jettisoned it over the Hardangerfjord, quikly entered the extarnal view, hoping to see the tank fall away... nothing. Perhaps it could be on the wishlist from an upcoming upgrade. Don`t know if is even possible to model that in MSFS ? Also please check out my channel and subscribe if you like it.
Haha, sounds like you've been having fun then Vegard!
It should be possible to visually model the tank falling away, other MSFS aircraft have similar animations. It would definitely be a nice feature for FlyingIron to add in the future.
Happy flying! All the best : )
Do DCS. End of discussion
All that for no cannons or machine guns?
No, no I don't think I will.
Haha, yeah but Mark, “it’s a Spitfire!”
Fair enough and totally understand though. Not everyone’s cup of tea if you can’t use the aircraft for its “raison d’etre”. I just enjoy the experience of flying around in it; and its speed makes it a nice challenge to navigate VFR with as well : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Oh I totally understand you reviewing it, great review by the way! It looks and sounds lovely but yes, no pow pow lol.
Thanks Mark : )
No pow pow?? You just make the noises yourself. . . doesn’t everyone. . . : P
Great 3D job and texturing but the sound is miserabel.
Still not a fan of the sounds Betty? Seems they aren’t to everyone’s taste. I thought they gave a nice effect overall, but it seems I’m in the minority. . . They are a bit “putt putt putt”. I hope they revise the sounds to a point where everyone is happy them; seems to be the only thing holding some people back at the minute.
Cheers : )
Look fantastic! But sounds like a lawnmower.
you must have an amazing lawnmower!
Yeah, seems the sounds aren’t doing it for a lot of people. Personally I was quite happy with them. I think the video doesn’t entirely do them justice, as I had to turn them down for the sake of the audio, but they do have more of a putter than a roar I suppose.
I’m hoping the team will address it, if enough people aren’t enjoying them. I can’t imagine a sound overhaul is too big a task and it would be shame to see such a beautiful product grounded over such a thing.
Haha, I wanted tempted to say the same! : P
You say alot of ssssss in your language it's a snake ssssss
Haha, indeed. I notice it myself when watching the videos back. It seems to be a habit I’ve picked up since I started UA-cam. I’d like to quash it, but that’s easier said than done apparently ha.
Thanksssss! ; )