How to setup your buttons, nudge, and analog plunger in the VPX, Future, and Pinup Popper programs
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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In this video I will be showing you how to setup the back end (in the computer) your buttons, nudge, and analog plunger in your virtual pinball cabinet. In this video I am setting this up for a Virtuapin plunger kit version 3 that makes use of a kl25z board so most of this video will apply to any other input controller boards out there. I will be showing the settings for Visual Pinball, Future Pinball, and Pinup Popper. I will also be showing you how to change the script file for adding your coin door switch as well as a troubleshooting section for a bunch of fixes in case your set up is still not working. This info is GOLD! This stuff seems crazy hard but is actually pretty simple once you have a walkthrough like this. Fear not! I got you!
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I love your channel. You are a great teacher. There are many smart people on UA-cam that can't relay their message to an audience effectively. You, my friend, are skilled at this. I'm building my cabinet based on your design and also using the VirtuaPin Plunger and board. You may want to be cautious with using the plunger as another input button (by pressing on it) as you could see that the input (16) gets triggered when you let go of the plunger. I actually had a flicker on mine in normal play that caused a host of problems and I spent hours trying to establish what the problem was. Also, according to Mr Terry Red, you may want to ensure that your virus detection is disabled whenever installing any software and also, before starting the install, right click on the program and check the Unblock setting to ensure that the install works properly. This could be an issue of why a certain program may not function as expected. Sorry for the novel. Look forward to your next video.
Thank you very much for your kind words Rolf, I really appreciate it! Yeah the plunger press button can't be the digital plunger or it will try to auto plunger after you pull and release the plunger and there will be a delay. I ended up just using mine for fire and in pinup popper, it's exit to exit menu. Yeah the virus disable and auto update has been disabled and now that I think of it, it would have been a good thing to make a video on or at least add it to one. Thanks for the watch and the support of the channel!
First you got me over the finish line on my home arcade machine. And now I'm starting the process of looking for monitors, an old pc, and other parts for this. You're a bad influence on me. :-)
Hee hee...this stuff is too much fun to not share. You're gonna love virtual pinball dude.
Never been so sad to get to the end of a playlist, can't wait for the next one!
Oh no! There's more coming I swear! Power supplies are next one after a welding video. Cheers!
The whole project is looking amazing!! Such great work, clear instructions and a calm, cool vibe.
Thanks Catherine! It dangerous now cause I wanna play pinball instead of making videos....lol. Cheers!
This is by far one of my favorite channels. Fantastic work and explained in a way that doesn't go over my head, which is easy to do.
Thank you very much Jerry! That's awesome to hear you love the channel! If you deem me worthy, I'd really appreciate a share out my channel on your social media so I can help more people. Thanks for your support and the watch Jerry! Cheers!
Thanks for the great video - I think this is the first and only proper tutorial vid on the Virtuapin kl25z plunger kit 👍
Thanks! Glad you liked the video! Yeah there is very little information about the Virtuapin kl25z setup. The instructions were pretty vague too. That being said, it has been a solid controller as I have put in probably 40 hours of gameplay without issues. Thanks for the watch!
Excellent video my guy! I ran through most of that config sometime ago when I mapped my arcade stick to work with a pinball setup the one thing that I found invaluable was to document in a notepad every time I made a change with details of the change and what it did it helped reverse bad changes or go back to something that was working 3-4 changes previously
Not a bad idea in order to keep it all straight and making sense, plus the ability to back track if things don't work all of a sudden. Thanks for the watch!
Great explanations! One more thing in windows, "sticky keys" repetitive keystrokes like shift, and some others, a window will pop up and ask you if you want to use sticky keys, search for it and turn it off/disable. Look forward to the next one!
Funny story, I had this pop up and knew what to do but pressed the wrong button and it messed it up. This would be a good thing to add to a video, I'll have to remember this. Cheers!
@@wayofthewrench I think if you hit shift 5 times fast or so it will pop up again, then there's a line that says turn off sticky keys I think.
Yes you are completely right!
New Way of the Wrench Vid!! SAWEET! Thanks as always dude!
Happy to oblige....hope you liked the video! Cheers!
you did save log not (top left) save config in VPin config (mid right). Great video Keep em coming!
Thanks! I'll have to check that out, I might have done both but edited it out. Thanks for the catch!
I can’t wait for the next video machine is looking awesome
Thanks Bruh!
ZNother great video on the vpin topic!!! Love your channel - thank you so much for making all of these..
Thanks Tom! Glad you're enjoying the content and the channel. Feel free to let your friends know about the channel. Thanks for the watch!
Thanks for the tutorial, this will come in handy!👍
Sweet! Glad I could help!
Very good ep. This really IS the Matrix sometimes :D
Thanks Bruh! Yeah there's a lot going on and easy to get lost/ frustrated. Hopefully this can help a bunch of people out there. Cheers!
Can't thank u enough, this video was very informative and direct, thanks again.
Awesome! Glad I could help ya out! Cheers!
@@wayofthewrench quick question: are you going to make a video on how to get the surround sound audio setup and working?
Yup I already have it working great on my cabinet and the video is scheduled for Dec 15th. Cheers!
Thanks for the great videos. I'm learning a ton. Just a quick question: are there any advantages to using a tilt bob over an accelerometer in terms of nudging?
You're very welcome. Glad you enjoyed the video and my teaching style. I don't think so as you can digitally adjust your nudge to be more or less sensitive but if you don't like it, it's very easy to add a real tilt bob. Thanks for the watch and your support for the channel! Cheers!
Really hope there is going to be a feedback devices video. I have taken my cabinet build right up to this same point and the various different board combos and power wiring has had me stalled trying to figure out what to do next.
I wish I had run across this series before, could have saved me a few mistakes along the way.
It's coming....its coming. I wasn't planning on doing all of the mechanical toys but I will do a few to compliment my planned ssf. Just filming the install of my ssf this week. Thanks for the watch!
@@wayofthewrench I hadn’t really planned on adding much mechanical feedback till the glorious moment when I finally had everything running and playing with the flipper buttons… seconds later…”OK, this needs mechanical flipper feedback STAT!”
Lol, I hear ya! Im pretty close to seeing how well my ssf is and I'm hoping that it blows my socks off. If not, I'll be in your shoes!
Crap, now I gotta get one of those boards for the nudge and realistic plunger. The @Games Legend all-in-one controller just whetted my appetitie.
Yup the nudge and plunger is a must!
Another great video. Cheers
Thanks Andy! Cheers!
Thank you so much. It helps verry well. 👌
You're welcome Tobias! Cheers!
Thanks for the well done video as usual! Are you on the virtual pinball discord channel? You get mentions there, usually pointing someone to your videos.
You're welcome, glad I could help. No I'm not but that's cool my channel's coming up. How big is the group on Discord? Cheers!
@@wayofthewrench The discord group is pretty active. There are categories for all the building components. You can usually get helpful input within a few minutes. It's very common for builders to record their process and have active discussions about components, building challenges etc. Your videos have been referenced many times. There is also a lot of chit-chat. I'll try and send an invite via DM here or on instagram.
Love your videos!! Have you ran Pinball FX on your cabinet and if so how did you get the buttons to map?
Thanks Dave! No I haven't yet as I have Pinball Fx on my PS4 so this build is all VPX and Future. I might install Fx later and I'll show all of it later. I imagine that you just need to go into the controller settings and match them up. You could also use Xpadder to make it work too. Thanks for the watch!
@@wayofthewrench Thank you!!!
no worries!
Congratulations for the Channel....I saw this video and I have the problem with analogic plunger in FP, in VPX work ok, I have used all the solutions you propose in the video but nothing is detected, even if I create a new table in FP it is not detected either... any ideas what it could be?
Check that it's not just that for table that doesn't have plunger support. That tricked me for a very long time.
did all you said to do on the VPX and the flippers don't move at all and no ball drops once i start the game? sad 😿 help please
I would suggest watching the video again and follow along step by step. You may have to watch the previous video to as there is much info needed there too! Keep in mind my button numbers are going to be different from yours so confirm what your button presses are from Virtuapin Controller ( or whatever kl25z controller you are using) and then match them up to vpx and pinup popper. You got this, not get discouraged. Thanks for the watch!
new problem !! when I exit a table it exits the whole system pinuppopper closes too ? what am i doing wrong i have it set same as you
You have exit emulator set to the same key as exit table. Easy fix. My plunger button when you press in is exit popper. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch and your support for the channel!
Thx a lot. Great Video :)
You're very welcome! Cheers!
I could use your help, I'm having problems getting my buttons set up in the front end of popper, no one out there has gone line to line for explaining the use of each function. I can't seem to get a button set up to exit a game after I'm in it playing
Go in to preferences, keys and look for exit table. You can change the button for exit to whatever you want. Make sure it's not the same button to exit popper or it will kick you out to your desktop.
Hey man great video, my cab has been working great, but now I have a button issue, just wondering what you think the issue could be.
So I built a mini cab, using pinup Popper and Visual Pinball and everything has been working great.
Went to use the cab and found my buttons controlling popper were doing weird things, basically not working properly ar all.
Exited rebooted windows tried games directly in VP and everything works fine, so I know my USB encoder is working fine.
Went into popper settings, button config and it said I had a button conflict.
Notice : Duplicate bindings found
Duplicate keyboard binding function
Exit emulators.
I tried clearing all my saved keys which works, but the message remains, so all buttons are locked to Exit Emulators, so none of my buttons can control anything.
I un-installed popper, restarted windows, did a clean popper install, error still there, disconnected USB Encoder, error still there.
So I'm completely at a loss as to how to get rid of this error.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Cheers Alan
PS I'm running the latest release of popper if that has any baring, although it was working fine before so!
For button conflicts, write down what buttons ( keyboard strokes) you use in vpx and in popper. For any duplicated ones, change them. A common one to duplicate is exit emulator and exit popper, they can't be the same orbit exits back to desktop after you leave any game. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch and your support for the channel!
@@wayofthewrench I'll give it a go, but nothing has changed from my original configuration, and as I said the error is there even with the usb encoder disconnected, I'll let you know 👍
I wonder if there is a way to get plunger sounds with an analog plunger directly mapped to VPX. Seems the only way the sounds can be triggered in VPX is to use the digital "Enter" key or button to trigger the sounds. I've tried using JoytoKey. It does trigger the sounds because you can tie a keyboard press, "Enter", to the joystick 2. However, using JoytoKey gives unrealistic plunger action. So it's hard to get skill shots that way. I do have an KL25Z board, but I use that for nudging only. Any Thoughts appreciated. ⚪
Are you talking about the sound of pulling/letting go of the plunger or the hitting the ball sound? My real plunger makes great real sounds for all of that so I've never even thought about it. I would just get a real plunger to make that noise. Cheers!
Hi, I'm talking about my AtGames Legends Pinball, first edition. It has a plunger. I'm not sure if you would call it real or not. I used to use JoytoKey with Pinball Emporium to play mainly VPX tables. With JoytoKey there is a way to "tie" a keystroke, "Enter" that would trigger the sounds built into the tables written for VPX. Example "PlaySound "PlungerPull" or "PlaySound Plunger" ect. Its written right into the script for all the tables of VPX. I was lucky to get a new, more powerful PC and loaded it up with PINUP POPPER. Much better, if not the best front end and I was having conflicts with JoytoKey and Pinup Popper, so I mapped all my cabinet buttons directly to VPX and Pinup Popper and quit using JoytoKey. Now the plunger acts like a real plunger, but does not trigger the sounds tied to the enter key. I went back and made a plunger only option in JoytoKey, but it is not accurate like the analog plunger is. So sorry for the obscure question, but I was just wondering if there was a way to get plunger sounds to trigger from the VPX table scripts with just the more accurate analog only plunger? ⚪
@@wayofthewrench
Yeah that's weird that vpx detects you pulling back the plunger but no plunger sound is made. I use a real one so it makes real plunger noises. Maybe take a look in vpx preferences under sounds and see if there is an option turned off. Good luck!
I'll write also here, i've tried to unplug the two connectors J1 and J2 to see if the short circuit stops, and so it is. But now the plunger doesn't work at all.....and should works as far as i know.
J1 and J2 on the Virtuapin board? Not sure but the wire connections need to be in place in order for the plunger motion to be detected. It's possible if you supplied power to the board (besides the usb connection) you might have fried something. Good luck.
@@wayofthewrench Good news I've found the problem! I don't know why, but it seems that if I give power to the amplifier of the back exciters there's no problem, but if I turn on the second one of the front exciters, somehow, the kl25z board intercept a signal and turn crazy as I shown you. Do you think that the ground loop isolator can solve this problem or is it an excess of power supply? Thanks for your help❤
Nice! You could try swapping amps and see if the problem travels to the back. If it does, the amp or wiring has an issue. If not then maybe you are getting some emf messing with your audio. The ground loop isolators are cheap insurance so go for it. You can also reroute power wires away from audio wires and see if that helps. Good luck!
Hello, I have a coin door button question. I followed your videos setting up my key mappings using xPadder, confirmed the button numbers in VirtuaPin Controller and have mapped them correctly in VPX. I am finding that when I open the coin door, I only get the coin door options on certain tables (Arabian Nights, Monster Bach to name a couple) and then I don't get it on others (Dracula, Whitewater, etc). Most forums discussions refer to the issue when no tables work, but it works for me on some, but not others. I can't even get it to work with the keyboard on those tables. Curious if you had the same issue and if you know a workaround? Thanks in advance! Also, I just read a post about AltSound, wondering if that is a future video idea for you? Keep on rocking the videos, they're super helpful.
Some games I notice that you have to re close the coin door and try again, you could try that. Data East and Sega games need the other way of volume control which you have to cycle through the service menu...
It sucks. Some games, the volume is controlled in the script or through the pup packs. If I remember, I'll try to see if my Whitewater and Dracula are weird to change for ya. I have added altsound to my list of future vpin videos to make. Thanks for the watch and the suggestion. Cheers!
I just looked today at my Dracula and Whitewater. Dracula worked like it should but Whitewater needed me to close the coin door and open it again, then I could use service volume buttons like normal. Hope that helps.
@@wayofthewrench I'll give it try tonight, hopefully that does the trick for me. Thanks for the follow-up, grateful for your detailed content. It's been a blast building out my cabinet.
You get it to work?
@@wayofthewrench Unfortunately, reopening and closing the coin door did not work on Dracula or Whitewater, nor any other tables I've been having this issue on. I swapped out my compact wireless keyboard for a full-size USB cord style and hitting "END" does not open the coin door through a keyboard either on those tables. I reviewed my button mappings and when the coin door is open, Button 15 lights up in the VirtuaPin Controller software. I also validated Button 15 is selected in the "Door (END)" field under VPX "Keys, Nudge and DOF" preferences. In xPadder that button does not have any keys assigned, do you have anything assigned in your setup? I don't believe you assigned anything in your video. If you got any other tips/tricks up your sleeve, I'm all ears, but this probably a question I'll have to throw out in the forums. Thanks for the follow-up!
On a related note, my Christmas wishlist is full of LED stuff. I'll be following your LED vids to set those up later this month. Can't wait!
Crap. I got the plunger installed but the app doesnt see it. I see the red light on the mobo flash when I pull it back. Any ideas? im just using this for the plunger/tilt and have another board for my buttons. The tilt is being seen in the app but not the plunger. So frustrating.
Hrmmm. Cause it's a usb device, you might try some things. Move it to another usb port or not usb 3. Try having it plugged in and restart pc to detect it and auto load driver needed. Try unplugging and re plugging it with pc on and watch for device to be detected. If all this fails, try to to reinstall the virtuapin controller software. Also check if app is supposed to be installed first or device is to be plugged in first then install the app. Good luck.
@@wayofthewrench It was the USB port that the plunger didnt like so plugged into a different and in business. So weird. Thanks for the help!
Awesome. Glad I could help. Cheers!
One of the ways I was able to emulate better nudge with the same controller is changing the following line in the core.vbs file (you'll need to rechange this every time you update vpx to a new version thus, don't forget): from "Public Property Let Sensitivity(aSens) : mSensitivity = (10-aSens)+1 : End property" to "Public Property Let Sensitivity(aSens) : mSensitivity = 1 : End property"
My nudge settings in vpx are as follows:
XAxis 10 200%
YAxis 13 300%
Dead zone 0%
Enable nudge filter = checked
Enable analog nudge = checked
Tilt sensitivity = 950
In VirtualPin Settings for Nudge:
Nudge Threshold = 2000
Led Nudge Threshold = 2000
Tilt Calibration Retry Count = 5
Tilt Calibration Sample Factor = 5
Tilt Running Sample Factor = 0
Tilt Multiplier = 256
Tilt Life = 10
unchecked all three boxes
Oh yeah this is golden! Thanks for sharing dude! How did it improve? What was the issue before the change?
@@wayofthewrench It just never had a natural nudge like a real machine. These tweaks helped. They were collected by others having similar success.
I set up my buttons very simply, just as in your video. When I exit a game, it goes all the way back to Windows. But Pinup Popper is still running. If I hit X on my keyboard (I reassigned the Esc action to X) then it returns to Pinup Popper. I'm at a loss as to how to get the game exit to take me back to Pinup Popper menu.
Change your exit button to be just exit game and not exit pinuppopper too. It thinks you want to exit game and the front end. Cheers!
@@wayofthewrench Yes, I had exit game in popper set to a button, and exit game in the vpx also set to a button. I cleared the setting in vpx and it started exiting back to menu properly when I press my game exit button. Fixed. Thanks!
I actually removed exit game button setting in vpx. It is still set in Pinup popper. So having it in either place apparently works. Since I'll be running games from Pinup all the time... probably ok.
Perfect!
Hey if it works....cheers!
some bad info there...."it says to save"... "File.... Save".... only prob... its SAVE LOG in the file menu.... Save Config button is right there on the right hand of the screen....
im trying to get a plunger on emulated xbox controller working (STM32 bluepill with HID driver...and freejoy..and XOutput..just for plunger).. i cant for the life of me get the plunger working correctly in Pinball Arcade, when assigning the plunger in XOutput... it uses the full range of the RX "stick" instead of just half of it...this makes it so half the plungers range doesnt work, and the other half is very sensitive.... would you have any ideas?
Hrmmmm. I'm unfamiliar with those programs but if your plunger works correctly in other programs including your calibration program then it might just be pinball arcade. You might be able to use a program like xpadder to alter the signal to show something else for pinball arcade that it can read. Think like an analog joystick movement. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch and your tip on saving. Cheers!
@@wayofthewrench yeah ive tryed everything (even tried x360ce in place of Xoutput).. but no matter what i do, when i assign the axis to right stick in xouput it uses full range... pinball arcade only wants the bottom half of the axis, it works fine in VP and FP as they can use the full axis range... with x360ce i can get the top half of the axis to work..but inverting just flips the top half axis...and then it doesnt work at all in TPA...doesnt even detect the "controller" ..so went back to xoutput and the half range/very sensitive plunger...SMH!
i tried setting the axis to a trigger and remapping in TPA, but TPA converts it to a button....arghhh!
Wish I had something for ya, just not sure about pinball arcade. I've played a bit of it on my PS4 but deleted it cause I hated the front end and feel of it. Hope you figure it out but it does seem like a pinball arcade issue. Maybe they can help ya?
Where did you get your lodging screen?
Lodging screen? Do you mean loading screens for the individual games? If so, you can download them into vpx. Check out my how to install vpx tables video! Thanks for the watch!
No, looks like you have a generic one for games that do not have loading screens. I was wondering where you got the particular video. I tried to find it but could not, was it the one you made? @@wayofthewrench
Ahhhh. Now I get it. Yeah some tables don't have loading screens so you can type pinball into the web search in popper media and it'll pop up a few generic loading screens. Or you can look on VPUniverse for custom ones and put them in. Cheers!
I could use your help, I'm having problems getting my buttons set up in the front end of popper, no one out there has gone line to line for explaining the use of each function. I can't seem to get a button set up to exit a game after I'm in it playing
Vpx or Future pinball?
Vpx
I want to thank you for responding, in the end I had to totally delete vpinballx and popper and reinstall baller, I still had some trouble but finally got it all straightened out, other than my loading videos aren't stretched out.
Thanks again, and I appreciate your videos, you are clear and to the point, a real help to the virtual community
Glad you got it all figure out! Thanks for your kind words! Cheers!