Dear Creationists: You're Still Apes
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Today we explore why, once again, (however desperate they may grow), creationists are still apes along with the rest of humanity. We are hominoids, catarrhines, anthropoids, haplorrhines, and primates! And that's pretty neat.
Covered: General taxonomy, the criteria for our order and superfamily, orphan genes, paleontology, genetics and cool primate facts,
Tackled in this video is a video by Rawmatt (Local Creationist) which can be found over at the Standing for Truth Channel: • Taxonomic Classificati...
Dapper Dinosaur, our Linguist friend, can be found here:
/ @dapperdinosaur
Sapiens Spotlight, Dr. Dan: / @creationmyths
Sources for Today:
What hominids overlapped (popsci article)?
www.discovermagazine.com/plan...
“Evolution of the hominoid scapula and its implications for earliest hominid locomotion”
www.nature.com/articles/ncomm...
“African Ape CA for shoulder”
www.researchgate.net/publicat...
Orphan genes in Chimps and Humans
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Scanning electron microscopy of the hair medulla of orangutan, chimpanzee, and man
www.researchgate.net/publicat...
FBI on Hair:
archives.fbi.gov/archives/abo...
"Bonobo anatomy reveals stasis and mosaicism in chimpanzee evolution, and supports bonobos as the most appropriate extant model for the common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans"
www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
General overview of our Phylogeny
www2.palomar.edu/anthro/prima...
Gator/Croc Gene mapping:
www.sciencedaily.com/releases....
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The *real* difference between alligators and crocodiles has to do with when you see them. Alligators you see later, while crocodiles are seen after a while.
Now there's a joke that will puzzle Gen Z. :)
@@alanthompson8515 indeed, it just might. Unless they were told it as they were growing up, too, in which case, your hypothesis is shot down. 😄😉
@@MaryAnnNytowl As I bet you were! It seems to have morphed from 1950s jive-talk into kid's playground talk. However, some of us do recall Bill Haley and the Comets!
@@alanthompson8515 I can guarantee that the very vast majority of English speaking Gen Z-ers know those phrases. It’s still said very often in modern movies and by young children
@DeepForestRex they really thought gen z doesn't know an extremely common phrase💀
"Our jaw is pointier than other apes"
"Our shoulders are more mobile than other apes"
"Our brain is bigger than other apes"
So what rawmatt is saying is that humans are actually... The ape-iest apes?!?
We're basically Apes with a lot of layers that make us uniquely human.
Same goes for other Apes.
@@kinglyzard What do you mean "We"? Speak for yourself.
@@bobdobbs943
Sorry.
All Aliens excepted
@@kinglyzard I will agree you are a animal. Me and my house, we are human.
@@bobdobbs943
So we can be and are both.
Being an animal merely means that you must eat other life forms to survive.
It makes you no less human, the fact that you eat and shit like the rest of us humans.
I love how I hear a lot the YECs saying "I could give you examples...I could go on and on" and then they change the subject. When Erika says "I could give you examples, papers, studies, etc", strap in because you are about to be served!!!!
That first human-skunk comparison where he says that humans are solitary is such a massive example of somebody telling on themselves.
Also, he apparently thinks that humans can't get rabies, unlike skunks, and that's why we aren't related.
People can totally get Rabies.As this guy never read their eyes were watching god
oof... i didnt even pick up on that. harsh.
The only disappointing thing about evolution is that I have a common ancestor with creationists.
Distant ancestor. In the creationist, the mind has become vestigial, a key trait for identifying the species.
😂👍
As a creationist , our ancestors are Adam and Eve .
Gotta love when then gently toss in some casual transphobia, to make it clear that they're not just uninformed, they're also rude and gross.
Yeah, it's kinda like the cheese sprinkled on their word salad. 😄
@@MaryAnnNytowlvery moldy cheese
Forrest Valkai gets hounded by transphobes, too.
11:54 "my cat has traits that other felines don't have therefore my cat isn't a feline" their logic >>
12:34 "we're vastly different from (other) apes" okay sure but that doesn't help us whatsoever to know which animals we're the closest to. The point isn't that we're not different than chimps, the point is why do humans and chimps share traits than no other animals has.
My German Shepherd can sniff out explosives, so she’s not a canid.
i have traits that other humans don't have therefore im not human
Happy to be an ape and a primate. But, frankly, I am disappointed every morning I wake up and find I am not, in fact, a gorilla. :(
If you could be a gorilla 🦍 which species would you prefer to be?
I think I’d prefer to be a western lowland gorilla.
@@dr.floridamanphd Hmm, I don't really mind. While I'm tempted by the Western Lowland, if only for the fantastic name Gorilla Gorilla Gorilla, I have to respect my Pennine roots, and accept I'm probably a Mountain Gorilla at heart.
I thought you were an ameba....dissapointed....
I'd rather be a neko-onna or a kitsune. Maybe a standard spoiled house cat, that's kind of what I'm hoping for in my next reincarnation, so I can have kittens and raise them. Several litters, preferably.
I'm dissappointed about not being Godzilla, but that's just me.
Given the huge difference in the appearance of, say, an Eel and a Shark, why do Creationists accept that they are both fish?
The difference in appearance of a Human and a Bonobo is far smaller, yet they insist we are not related.
This level of denial must cause immense internal conflict.
That's ok, the religious are accustomed to the cognitive dissonance of false beliefs.
Sharks aren’t fish.
@@nbaoscarrnba
Yes they are.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark
Jack Russell my bad lol. It’s whales that aren’t fish
@@nbaoscarrnba
I take it that you are not a Creationist?
1:02 "Being an ape isn't all that bad" you said it sister 👊 I don't know why creationists look so down upon our cousins. They're the most intelligent animals of the animal kingdom after us. They're neat.
And many of them say "well if you think you're an ape maybe we should act like apes" well okay, I always wanted to live in a matrarchy where no murder ever happens and sex is free and non judgmental and everyone is bi, let's live like bonobos !
But in reality we already do live like apes, maybe more like chimps these days. Where do they think our tribe warfare comes from ? Or smiling or laughing or hugging ? I could go on, and I'm sure you could too.
Great job again Erika and sorry for all the comments spam
Creatards like to think we are better than animals, so they find it an insult to be lumbered in with them. The misuse of the word theory is probably a significant factor behind the number of creatards present today.
One of my all-time favorite memes is one of those virgin vs chad memes where a man tell an ape (I think an orangutan) "You're just a dumb animal!" And the ape replies "You have to pay for water."
To be honest I wouldn't mind living in a zoo.
@@isaacbruner65 gold!!!
"I don't know why creationists look so down upon our cousins." Because to them it somehow invalidates their belief that we are "made in God's image."
@@joevaghn457 Us not being identical clones somehow invalidates that... Unless that's precisely the point.
Shouldn't have shocked me when he tosses in an anti-LGBT remark into his creationist pseudoscience, but it did take me by surprise. Usually I find him contemptible for his dishonesty, but now I have to add his enthusiasm for his bigotries as well.
31:37 _(timestamp for anyone wondering)_
Yeah, it reminds me of Erika's video tour of the Creation Museum - when she comes upon a random sign showing how accepting evolution leads to bad things...and their examples (in small print) juuust so happens to include "homosexuality"... 🧐
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 well and cqn you tell me the difference between bisexuql psnsexuwl and omnisexual?
I as a bisexual man find it pretty bigoted to say that my attraction is bigotwd.
@@simonw.1223 wait when did they say anything about bisexuality being bigoted? Idk but I’ll answer the question anyway. Bisexual means attracted to 2 (two) genders, not necessarily just men and women. Pan- and omni- are sometimes used interchangeably and some people disagree on what exactly each one means, but generally they both mean being attracted to all genders. A sexual orientation cannot be bigoted; only behavior can.
@@CaseyShontz well and I in my language dont got a word for gender as I am only attracted to the both sexes
@@simonw.1223 okay? Gender still exists. I don’t care what language doesn’t have a word for it. It’s still a real concept and it’s separate from sex (although the two are usually correlated).
I wanted to facepalm when he said humans are solitary.
Erika’s explication of evolution is phenomenal. She presents the information in a way EVERYONE can understand. I always feel much smarter than I really am after watching her videos.
I only discovered her today and I'm already a better person for it.
I love how much time she has devoted to understanding her field. Unlike many of us if she were in a debate she doesn't have to take a quote into consideration and then provide a rebuttal. The rebuttal is on hand in her mind at the time the question arises. Kent hovind got to experience that particular fact firsthand LOL. And he couldn't deal with it. In fact the entire debate was withered down to one question and he could never answer it without contradicting his own stupidity. Love it. On a side note her intelligence is sexy. A lot of women in this day and age have nothing to respect them for because they are entirely shallow. her understanding and competence is attractive. If someone reads my comment and they don't get it I don't give a s***.
@@Moosemansmithy I totally get what you’re saying about her intelligence. Also please tell me where to find that debate with inmate 06452017. I don’t think I’ve seen it.
@@craig3226 here is the debate with gut sick Gibbon and Kent. I warn you now Kent is going to be pretty annoying.😂
ua-cam.com/video/VXFojsRxJLg/v-deo.html
@@Moosemansmithy she destroys him in the most friendly way. It's really hilarious, but anything with Kent hovind is almost un watchable to me because of his condescending tone and smug ignorance. Especially how he talks to women, pisses me off.
Yeeeeah this guy isn't trying to 'get it'
He's just trying to make sure people who don't have the time or energy to do real research have a video they can watch to make them feel reassured.
Keep up the good work for those who WILL do the research :)
Yeah, reasoning with these people remind me with reasoning with flat earthers. They aren't trying to understand.
My brother is the same way, he asks me all kinds of simple questions about evolution, but doesn't try to argue with me. Then, invariably, later, he goes to his 'pastors' to get innoculated and comes back to me.
@@Christobanistan Why does he come back to you? What do you know? What is there to understand? I guess if one is smart enough , one will believe we came from sea slugs. Just like dear ol Chatty Cathy the motor mouth.
@@Christobanistan well to be fair, almost all flat earthers in the us at least seem to be young earth creationists that just took 1 step further.
from a lot of videos that i have seen, most young earth creationist seem to believe almost all the same things about the bible and such but just differ on the earth.
so most YEC are not to far from the mark, just 1 step away.
Some more possible human and raccoon similarities:
-both live in cities
-both are resourceful
-Both can get rabies
-both have resided in the White House (president Calvin Coolidge had a pet raccoon named Rebecca)
-eat garbage (whether that be literal trash or very unhealthy junk food)
-both live nearly everywhere
Yeah! And bird, fish and reptiles can't get rabies, humans are animals!
-raccoons look like a human robbing a store
-raccoons are very intelligent
-raccoons can poop
-raccoons can pee
-raccoons have sexual organs
Erika, I absolutely love it when you go "Beast Mode" on this stuff. Thanks for another incredibly enlightening discussion.
She's a fine specimen of Homo Pastamanducatus.
"The secular camp believes that these are ancient ancestors of humans" No! Bad creationist! Nobody in the scientific community has ever claimed that Neanderthals or Denisovans are ancestors of humans.
Well, Neanderthals and Denisovans are among the ancestors of some/most modern humans. There's significant Neanderthal DNA in most modern humans and Denisovan DNA in some Asians and especially Pacific populations.
@@jeffmacdonald9863 You think "significant" means less than 4%, and in most cases is less than 2%?
The Neanderthals mated with early hominids and became modern humans.
@@dogwalker666 No, they didn't. They mated with homo sapiens, with which they had a common ancestor. They were always a sister species, not ancestors of our own species.
@@zemorph42 sorry but they became us, and that is a good thing, it double destroys the YEC cult narrative.
Matt is being about as honest about Linnaeus as he is about modern taxonomy.
so, not at all?
@@grrsss8335 Exactly!
34:19
Here's a similarity: Racoons love to go through garbage, so do you! (by garbage I mean creationist arguments)
Raw Matt does never listen. Instead he insists he knows the "science" of biology better than biologists and people having looked into it as a hobby for decades. Then he says what he believes it "teaches" and things go south from there.
"They put blinders on"... yeah, it's always the fault of the complete scientific community that does not WANT things to be true and makes stuff up to defend their position... when that isn't even "allowed" in science and you will find countless examples of people WANTING things to not be true, but admitting they could not find any way around admitting they were exactly the way that they had been discovered... often Creationists like Carl von Linné ("Linnaeus").
What he talks about is the stance of YEC that do not accept anything contradicitng their predefined intent to find proof for the bible beoing correct and will weasel around trying to find ways out of admitting how things really are in favor of constructing their narrative around the many many gaps that they simply "can never see" to be fully fledged out parts of science.
Statements like this are why i find the oh so nice and well spoken folks at SFT to be a disgusting bunch of remorseless liars, charlatans and grifters.
Uhhh and at about 28 minutes he even goes full out conspiracy theoretist... does the "honesty" of these YEC pretenders at science know now limits???
42 minutes... Oh FFS... Matt? Have you given up? What has this "let me cosplay as scientist without having ANY idea of what a scientist actually does" been intended to do?
Sure, species may change the general classification on branches, even drastically, but not every scientist that stumbles over ONE new idea will be able to totally change the placement and not back and forth without reason. That is where peer review and consensus of the community come in and any change has to be reasonable and USEFUL to improve the classification.
What Matt proposes here is more like the wild back and forth of "is this a dino or a bird" / "is this a human or a primate/ape" that YEC are prone to dabble in...
Dapper Dino is a Linguist? Maybe even a Cunning one? :D
I admire your hope about creationists ever really learning about paleontology. Personally I have no expectations in this regard. :-(
But hey; their ignorance leads directly to your wonderfully educational videos! :-) Thank you Erika.
Oh my god sorry to double comment but the skunk-human bit really illustrates that he has no idea how a nested hierarchy works
I really liked the part where Erika talked about the trash cans. Could we get a separate video surrounding that topic?
Your brain is a trash can if you believe you were poofed out of nothing 13 billion years ago by a dot exploding.
The first person to classify humans with the Apes was the father of taxonomy and a creationist.
What a shame the Christian God confused the issue by creating apes in the 1st place. When he could've made us obviously unique.
We are obviously unique. Are there any animals that can create and learn to the extent humans do? Not even close.
@@dabooser1048 well obviously we are unique in that we have the biggest brain, but we are still apes.
@@dabooser1048 prove you're smarter than a corvid, I dare ya. :p
@@Callimo and that proves me wrong how? Silly liberals.
@@dabooser1048 we are just as unique as every other species on the planet! Our cognitive biases make us wanna feel special, though. :)
49:31 another french fun fact : hair (cheveux) in french is only for what's on your head, for human body hair we have the same word than for other animal hair/fur i.e "poil" but we also can use fur (fourrure) usually for animals with a lot of fur. Pretty sure it's the same for the other romance languages
It is the same thing with portuguese were we have the word "cabelo" to refer to what is on your hair and "pelo" to refer to everything else.
Great debunk (so far currently about 45 mins in) but I think much of the YEC rage about humans being apes comes from how it contradicts with special creation.
Heck I know of at least one Christian school "curriculum" that teaches humans are their own taxonomic kingdom (or at least it did in the late 90s and early 2000s)
Yeah. I think it’s the same inherent impulse that causes people to be conspiracy theorists. I WANNA BE SPECIAL!
Last time I was this early, erectus was still wandering accross Asia
they might still be depending if we are a branch inside Homo Erectus
@@Vandalia1998 okay then: when basal erectus members were wandering across Asia. Is that more accurate or is there a more specific/better term?
@@Raptorworld22 that would be a quesion for Erika or someone in her feild
@@Vandalia1998 I think she would get biased results.
I love how you are able to scientifically tear creationist to shreds. Thank you for being a voice of reason and for all the time and effort you put into your content. So happy I was able to find your channel through Paulogia. Keep up the great work!
Secular scientists interpret the evidence to support their supposition, much like a cop makes the evidence fit some one they think is guilty.
@@berniefynn6623 There is only one real truth. If you actually studied the science behind your beliefs it would crumble. But you wouldn't be able to look at the evidence with any open mind anyway. Go study Evolutionary Biology and tell me exactly how the avalanche of evidence from a ton of different areas all come to the same conclusions.
@@jessebrown4347 how come the pig is closer to us in DNA and can transplant organs into humans and not apes? How did evolution give us the ability to reason and where did consciousness come from?
@@berniefynn6623 it's not closer with pigs than it is with apes. Also humans are apes. The reason why they used pigs instead of apes for transplant is probably because livestock animals didn't get the respect as wild animals back in the day and it was probably easier to get the funding for working with pigs. Also how exactly do you know that no other creature on earth can reason or doesn't have a conscious?
@@jessebrown4347 our dna is closer the pig than apes
His skunk bit was so epically stupid I nearly palmed my face off. 🤣
19:27 "So even with the smallest bit of investigation..." Maybe that's your problem there Raw Matt. Maybe it takes a little more than the smallest bit of investigation.
It doesn't much more than the "smallest bit of investigation" to disprove the smallest bit of investigation.
@@michaelgreaves2375 Maybe. But something like evolution or large areas of science might take a bit more than a quick Google search to really understand.
@@PaulTheSkeptic TRUE! but the point is that we are still trying to understand it. It's an on going process. These people, however, refuse to even start. Then they make arguments that are disingenuous at best or outright manipulative, with trappings of a "Scientific Method" but no science.
I always learn a lot from your videos, Erika! Thanks a lot. Frankly, I think RawMatt's crude and childish approach is beneath you. But at least when you respond to his childish and paranoid rants, the rest of us can learn some valuable knowledge.
Wow, the whole skunk thing demonstrates either a fundamental misunderstanding of how things actually work, or a profound level of dishonesty. Or both I guess. Both, I’m gonna go with both.
Raw Matt’s skunk argument. Oof was it bad. I particularly liked 42:07 when he showed a badger on screen, obviously mistaking it for a skunk 😂
Well, they're both kinda stripey...
There’s a chocolate skunk that looks like a squirrel.
The poor man has no clue as to what is and what is not evidence, and he refuted himself very early on in that argument by relying on a difference in chromosome numbers, if somehow that is significant. He is refuted by his own fellow creationists when it comes to that argument. All creationists will claim that horses and zebras are the same "kind". And they can often interbreed, producing sterile offspring. Just for fun look up the chromosome numbers of horses and zebras. They do not differ by only 2 chromosomes. they differ by up to a factor of two different chromosomes. Horses can have twice as many chromosomes as some species of zebras.
I was in a face palm that whole segment of his video.
Racoons and humans both make excellent bank robbers :-)
raccoons and humans both wear sick eyeshadow!
Re: 1:00:40 - Joke:
A scientist is looking to see if humans and gorillas can successfully interbreed. He's a bit short on resources so he decides to pay a volunteer to do it "the old-fashioned way". The first volunteer arrives at the facility and the scientist explains the proposal:
"£5000 to have sex with this gorilla" he says, showing the chap a picture of a female gorilla.
The volunteer takes the picture and stares at it for a little while, pondering thoughtfully, before replying:
"That sounds like a good deal. It's going to take me a while to come up with the cash though..."
I'll see myself out.
Very nice! 👏👏👏👏👏
First good joke of 2022
Well done
You give this man to much credit. You keep saying he's statement are misunderstandings. They are out right lies.
Tyler B #2 they actually specified that they felt this individual was lying, not all people who disagree with their understanding.
@@HiveSci I mean, this is Tyler we're talking about here. You think he has that mental capacity?
@Tyler B #2 The first person to classify humans with the Apes was the father of taxonomy and a creationist. I doubt Raw Matt is unaware of this fact, which makes his first claim a deliberate lie.
@Tyler B #2 Well given that, as was explained in this very video, we evidently descend from apes and are squarely placed among them via genetics and physiology, it's pretty clear that we _are_ apes.
@Tyler B #2 And nowhere did I say that such a thing did.
Sure, I'd argue that it disproves YEC versions of Christianity, but not the religion as a whole.
Btw I’m not an ape. I’m a Eumaniraptorain, specifically a the Dromeosaur Species Microraptor Gui, a close relative of birds.
as for that Rando.... it is unheard of for theropod dinosaurs to use modern communication technology, so you might just be another nude ape like the rest of us hu-man-iacs...
@@Ugly_German_Truths If Dapper gets to be a dinosaur, so does Rando.
I think 50% of why I love your videos is the content. And the other 50% is your fun mannerisms! The last part of this video made me giggle! 👍👍
If I'm an ape, why don't I like bananas? Lol, just kidding. I can totally see that as the next creationist argument.
Hmmmm 🤔
But wouldn't it contradict the whole arguement about how bananas are an atheist's nightmare?
I do LOVE bananas especially fleshy ones
🤣🤣
Yeah, if you're an ape, why are you typing coherently at a computer!
no, no, let’s address this: why *don’t* you like bananas?
I screamed "OH GOD!!" around 47:00 when he brought up the male and female thing. To my mind nothing betrays the dishonesty (or sincere and profound lack of understanding which stretches credibility imo) of creationism than that. Holy fucking shit.
Absolutely, they don't want to do science, they want to undo science and the dishonesty presented in that one statement speaks volumes.
I love that you embrace the nemesis nature of all this. I like watching you guys go back and forth. I've learned a lot during your rivalry.
maybe a feud as in a pointless aggressive tussle, nobody really knows what the reason was... cause they sure as Lucy are no rivals to Erica's intellect, education and specialist knowledge about anthropology
It's about as much a rivalry as the Chihuahua hunting an F150 or the garbage truck is a "rivalry"...
Wait...evolution hadn't been devised when Linnaeus died. Saying he didn't believe in it is some kind of gotcha would be like saying physicists prior to Newton not believing in gravity disproved it
Wow - what is this channel?
Fantastic Content? For an hour? I'm amazed.
You're almost very kind. You're also very informative. Thank you for these videos. It's a needed redirect.
Thanks for doing what you do , only found the channel yesterday and have enjoyed watching :)
Oh I have a friend who got so mad at me for saying that birds are dinosaurs that his argument against what I said was that humans came from monkeys and I told him how he was wrong. Needless to say we don’t talk anymore
My family tried to argue this against me too. So I explained, in depth, how cladistics works.
My son now calls birds dinosaurs sometimes and I am so proud.
Isn’t it amazing and literal miracle that evolution exists like it does? Imagine, a dinosaurs body completely changes and it becomes something totally different! Imagine body starts to change its form and characteristics completely. That by itself is literal miracle. Body changes so much it becomes something else and annihilates previous form and is now completely different then original form. New form is totally different then an old form. But you call it the same? Insane. Birds are birds. Dinosaurs no longer exist. Same as humans. Humans are humans. We have literal apes living as we speak, to clearly see we’re not the same. Gorilla is an ape. Human is not. It amazes me how much humans are gullible. If someone told you you are shit, better believe it although it illogical as it gets.
Love ❤ from a fellow ape.👍I do feel that this is a done argument though, it's a shame you have to keep doing this, however i am so glad you do.
technically humans are just domesticated apes,just how dogs are domesticated canids or however those are spelt
Thank you young lady. You give hope to the people of reason. Sometimes when you read the amount of nonsense on the internet, you feel that maybe the light of reason is burning too dimly and may be extinguished by a tide of superstitious nonsense.
Keep up the good work. More power to your elbow...
the skunk example makes absolutely no sense _unless_ you imagine that taxonomy can only operate on baramins and whether something is or isn't in one.
if you construct a long enough list of human and skunk characteristics, but put them all in a two-dimensional table with another example animal each and ordered all the rows and columns so the "shared with humans" boxes roughly form a right triangle, you could coarsely reconstruct the whole tree of life and see that skunks are unlike sponges, a bit like humans, and a lot like red pandas. this is not contradictory or confusing unless you had two rooms labelled "dogs" and "weasels" and had to put the skunk in one room.
Your contempt for the silliness of the creationist outlook is, at once, humorous, serious, and...admirable. Thanks GG.
Thanks for such most important issue (despite creationists) It is very well explained and presented. Please keep going with it and endure through
In conversations with some creationists they have told me that they are not animals and there is no way to ever show them that they are. Apparently it seems that many people seem to be afraid that if they admit they are animals they will start acting like animals.
But they act so much worse than any animal, what’s the problem?
I love how you, dapper and others roast these creationists, also that's a sick smilodon skull !
That was a fantastic video. More than once I ran into Poe’s Law while listening to RawMatt. It’s hard to tell if he actually believes that’s how phylogenies are built or if he’s being sarcastic. Not only is it fun to watch you school these guys, but I always learn something new.
Tyler B #2 We believe what we say and back it up with evidence. There’s a reason young earth creationism contradicts every branch of science.
Tyler B #2 It’s nice of you to show up here. I imagine it’s refreshing being able to actually communicate with people. That coward Hovind you worship is so heavy on his censorship that half your comments get blocked and he’s quick to delete the ones that don’t if they expose his lies, which is all too easy to do.
If RawMatt is a poe, he should be ashamed of himself.
There are too many bona fide kooks to refute without a lot of red herrings to waste time, money and energy on.
Since Aron already explained to him how it actually works, i can't believe Matt is sincere. Unless he is stpd.
@@BluePhoenix_
It's an act. Matt and his sugar daddy Kent are master grifters. They hold onto their big lie for the $$, alot like Diaper Donny.
Damn, your channel is great, it’s a pity that I found about it until now, also, your explanations and debunking are probable some of the best I’ve seen, keep up the good work!
You should see her debate against Kent Hovind.
Florida Man
I’ve saw her yesterday, man is Hovind annoying, he’s like a parrot, always repeating the same debunked arguments.
laserfan17, Aron Ra spent about hour explaining to him that elephants and pine trees were related because they were eukaryotes. Hovind wouldn’t believe him.
“You think elephants and pine trees are related. That’s just wrong, son.” 😂
Florida Man
Lol, I bet he didn’t even know what an Eukaryote is, he just throws random “arguments” from his catalogue of reused and debunked creationist crap.
laserfan17, Aron explained it to him multiple times. Hovind is either too dumb to understand or refuses to.
Nice job. Educational as always.
14:32 When a girl says want to see my collection of Skulls that’s when you nod and back away slowly 😛
Heck no. That would be the coolest shit ever
Nah, that is when you accept the invite to drink a Cuppa :D You nod and back away slowly when the talk moves to her collection of baccula of most mammal species :D
[fast forward two weeks in new video from guttsick gibbon]
.. and this is skull with curiously shaped ethmoid bone..
some of you recognize it is skull of homo sapiens sapiens, others may know him as Steve ..
on the contrary that’s when i’ll know I find my soul mate
@@amellirizarry9503
Until her canine cutlery chomps your Corpus Cavemosa to contribute to her collection 😄
Paulogia sent me here. Fell in love with your channel, keep up the great work =]
Great content Erika! Would you ever consider making a video with top anthropology/primatology/human evolution book recommendations? Thanks! Keep at it!
41:09 As an evolutionary biologist, I laughed in pain. 54:31
I really enjoy these well thought out and thorough responses. Plus a good sense of humour.
Side note. Erika, if you ever do manage to 'convert' RawMatt then hide yo chimps and hide yo orangs...
Another great video, keep up the good work.
WoW! I've seen so many of Gibbons videos, this one came up.... Liked and watched!
Creationists have this weird assumption that “debunking” evolution will somehow make their religion seem true. Even if evolution had no evidence to it, it wouldn’t prove any god, let alone the god of the bible. Creationists are extremely threatened by credible evidence and it shows.
credible evidence isnt proof positive.
@@bobdobbs943 Then what is it?
@@2l84me8 Similar anatomy is just that. Its not proof positive that an animal somehow turned into human. Thats what evo tries to prove. Its a nice story, one that i used to believe. DNA resits errors and when they occur it harmful if not lethal. Natural selection is not evolution. law of physics, things get less complex as time goes on. Evo says the opposite.
@@bobdobbs943 You don’t know the first thing about evolution nor genetics, but nice try.
@@2l84me8 I wish i had a nickel everytime a youtuber told me that. I must not know anything because i dont believe as you do. Are you aware of how that makes you sound?
I think it IS an excuse to show off your skull collection! I'm in love!
42:06 is a badger. Dude thinks he's tossin the cold water but can't differentiate between 2 vaguely similar animals by sight.
Another great video. Thanks a whole lot. I bet you could do 20 or 30 minutes on the various problems with the word "species" and the whole concept of species and similar problems with the word "kind" used by these creationist people. Just an idea
I’ve always wanted to ask a creationist (or former creationist) why exactly did they feel so bad whenever the fact of us being apes is brought up, I believe that when they’re far off enough, not even facts can’t convince them otherwise, as they’ll keep moving the goalpost to what they believe, I think if we understand their feelings, if we know why does it bother them so much, maybe we may have an easier time making them understand
Hello, former creationist here. The primary argument I believe is that the Bible says that man was made in the image of God. So essentially, if we admit that we are similar to other apes, we are not above the other animals, and no God has ordained us as such.
Of course, you could still believe that we are special even still. But I think that it revolves around the idea that they believe only a literal interpretation of the Bible can be true. So if any of it is wrong, a creationist will see the entire body of scripture as wrong. Thus they must protect the idea of man made in God’s image, and by doing so they believe they must reject man’s relationship with the other apes.
I'd direct you to Genetically Modified Skeptic, for one opinion on the subject. There are others, but I can't recall them right off. Perhaps Godless Engineer? Not sure if he was a YEC (or even OEC) or not. I do know GM Skeptic was.
There aren't any known naturalistic mechanisms capable of producing humans from populations of knuckle walkers. So that would be a big issue.
At the root, the same reason they have for everything they believe. Because book. Reality be damned. Now why? Why must book be true? That's a much more complicated psychological question.
@@sombodysdad you leave this same wrong comment on every post, regardless of the fact that Erika has addressed this points in MULTIPLE videos of hers, and I only found her channel YESTERDAY. I've only watched like 5 videos, and she's already addressed bipedality vs quad or knuckle walking, like, at least twice that I recall. You know you're wrong, you're just being a troll.
15:20 So you're saying this coyote isn't especially... wiley?
Thank you, Erika on a comedic and intellectual masterclass
Outstanding! Thank you.
Despite being a creationist, at least Linneaus recognized that humans and the other apes are so similar that they can be placed within the same super family and demanded his peers to give evidence that humans and the other apes shouldn't be grouped together.
Not to be mean spirited or anything but are Young Earth Creationists having a vanity issue here?
I really think they just want to be special... which, humans are! But so is every other animal in it's own way.
Aside from Erika's answer, there's also the logical conclusions to be made by accepting humans as apes. It means that we fit into other taxonomic categories too, in a tree of life that necessarily points to evolution from a common ancestor.
_That_ is what YECs cannot stand. Sure, they'll accept evolution both micro- and macro- when necessary (enough that you can catch them on nothing but their own arguments and knowing what evolution is), but they absolutely refuse, often with clear vitriol and malice in how they do it, to accept what we can show about life's history on our planet.
Being grouped together doesn't mean biologically related.
@@sombodysdad Give Linneaus a break, it was the 1700s. Still, he did pretty darn good for the time, and he was breaking a lot of new ground, so I don't think we should be too hard on him. With the advent of DNA analysis, though, we have corrected classifications mistakes of the past. And as it turns out, he was right about humans being biologically related to apes.
@@AlbertaGeek There aren't any known naturalistic mechanisms capable of producing upright bipeds from populations of knuckle walkers.
Raw Matt's attempt at doing cladistics for a human and a skunk pissed me off. His ignorance must be completely willful, there is no way anyone can be that ignorant about a subject that they not only wish to talk about, but claim is completely wrong, unless they purposely don't want to understand it. It really doesn't take that much research to understand at least the very basics of how classification works. He has no excuse. I admire your patience Erika 😂.
This was so so entertaining and informative!
You can get animal and human anatomy anywhere. Do you wait for you tube anatomy to learn anything?
@@bobdobbs943 why do you seem annoyed by people enjoying stuff? Chill, life is too short to be like this
@@weirdandproudofit1 Hello. Do professional opinions irk you? I asked a good question. I didnt intend to sound annoyed. Perplexed would be a good word.
Lovely to listen to someone so expert and knowledgeable in their field who is equally as good at explaining it to the likes of me and make it totally understandable and interesting.
38:00 No Matt; you're projecting here;you're the one making a ridiculous attempt to exclude homo sapiens from the family tree that they have been classified with since Carolus Linnaeus first challenged his contemporary colleagues to demonstrate otherwise, because he, as a Christian creationist, could not. Neither can you, Matt; difference is, Carolus was honest about it.
31:55 lmao yeah of course raw matt, scientists just picked an animal at random to be our cloeest relative.
Why doesn't he do the tally of all similarities between humans and racoons and all the similarities between humans and chimps and compare them ? That way he'd have his piece of mind...or maybe not
32:37 yaay Erika ! : D
@@Galaxia7 best follow up comment hahaha
r-wmatt is a real thing? you are on a roll in this one erika! definitely fun.
Thanks for the in-depth educational entertainment.
47:35 "neither explains how males and females arrived at the same time" oh Eru, I would've given up at that point if I were you. He's bot that dumb is he ?
Just for the record: I endorse sci-hub. Academic publishing is a scam. Publicly-funded work should be publicly available. Get that literature.
I agree in principle, but the problem is the cost of peer review. Is that also publicly funded?
A paper that is just dumped somewhere without peer review is not much better than a musty old book.
Fredrik Vold Peer review is free. Reviewers don’t get paid.
"How a male and a female of the species could arise at the same time"
Yeah, not even showing the most basic understanding. And the absolute worst thing is, I'm weatching this three years later and they have not changed any of their arguments
Same lol
Congrats on (almost) 4K subs!
Hey. Was that a badger that RawMatt claimed was a skunk? 🤷🏻♂️
Mm hmm! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Part of science is that it is constantly being updated and changed, and I think he gets very uncomfortable with change in any way. So they just stick to their untrue vague attempt at understanding, and the reason he likes his version of fantasy better is because they never change anything. So science scares them with there ever evolving and changing theories.
i love erika's videos she explains it all so clearly. i send them to my heavily religious mum all the time but i know she won't watch them, because it is easier to remain ignorant. plus i think most people that are drawn to religion cant handle the fact that when we die that is it. for some reason they need to think there is something else for their life to matter. im happy with being the best i can for my friends and helping anyone i see that needs it. thats what being a part of our type of ape is, taking care of our own to make sure we go on. nothing more inspiring than teaching a little ape how to do something and seeing them smile when they get it right.
Erika, you are my new favourite UA-camr. This is a wonderful video.
6:37 you need to design that game. We can play it during our next Stream Labs meeting
I could make It
Holy batshit insanity! The scientific corroboration argument is like a toddler tantrum that all the adults are ganging up on them!
I love that picture of yourself you chose in 46:40! I LOLed. :D
Excellent job!
I just love it when an expert take on an amateur.
You should in fact debate him some time. Or have you already?
You should, though, be more specific on what video you are talking about.
Post a URL or a title or whatever will specify it and make it easy to find.
(Gibbon, Nice name for a Primatologists)
Wait so gators and crocs are only 93% divergent? That seems low considering they likely split in the Cretaceous.
Also, go have sex with a dog, and when you get arrested say "But we're both just mammals!" That's probably the dumbest argument I've ever heard, and it has me ROLLING
I think it’s likely that Crocodilians simply haven’t had very strong selective pressures for their genomes to diverge, given how they still fill very similar (if not the same) ecological niches they fit since the time of the dinosaurs.
I can never understand why being part of a vast, amazing universe is somehow considered by Creationists to be less special than being a pet in God's Ant Farm™. (Dome available separately.)
Um what was that moan around 22:30? You are fantastic at these explanations, thank you so much for the knowledge ❤
Looking forward to a few years hence when you are invited to give your first TED talk.
22:29 in French we don't even have the word ape which is a shame. Great Apes are just called Great Monkeys in French
I don't mind the fact that I'm an ape in the slightest.
Not thrilled about the fact that I share a species with Rawmatt, however.
I derive an inordinate amount of amusement from the thought that YECs almost certainly feel a surge of spluttering rage whenever someone uses the word "homo".
Excellent take down. Enjoy your presentation and deadeye aim.