Those jl patents expiring opened up the rest of the world to this type of design. And hertz isnt 100% engineered in house several if their amps share boards with polk, and a few others not to say they dont require high qc to make production unlike some companies
@mattm2684 it's a toss up. What your dealer carries typically makes the choice. They do model slightly different. The hertz digs a touch deeper but honestly it's not enough to make a difference. The alpine r2 is a good bit louder but the price reflects that
I heard these things in a car from my Audison Rep…I thought he had a full 12” in the trunk with a big bassreflex… But it was this woofer in their standard box…And it sounded really really tight, deep and accurate
Running the hertz sv165 rear and hc165 in the front. Never disappointed me. Liking these shallow mounts too. Ty sir for reviewing these hertz 🤞 I like these a lot
@@thebkgand the Tw3 is only 400w of pure garbage didn't last 6 mo an a jl slash 500/1. Replaced it with a DD audio sl612 half the price 10x the quality
@@neilclark3243 of your looking for high volume booming bass sub then JL is the wrong choice. But even then if the gain structure of your whole system (all equip from Head to Amp and in between) then even pushing them hard they wouldn't have blown. That's not on the MFG, that's on you.
Donaldhastyjr4066 is correct. Earthquake Sound has shallow subs with voice coils mounted very similar to that Hertz woofers. They too have tons of excursion and are not very expensive.
Ive got 2 of these in my 350z, and i love them. Ive been in the scene since 94 and have owned jl. These are the first woofers ive owned other than jl audio. They sound amazing with a very wide range of clear musical sound. I can go from the 1812 Overture, right into NiN, than old school 2 short and the bass is clean and tight. They can hit hard as well. Ill never look back.
Kicker comp rt 12 gen 1 also able to mount all the way back of the box as well. there also rate at 800 rms each no venting on back with push terminals 2 for 500$
I have this same subwoofer at home, waiting to be installed. I still need the amp, but from the preliminary tests I did at home, it sounds very capable. It plays low and makes the furniture rattle. Can´t wait to hear it in the car 😀
I have this one cause JL audio equivalent wasn't available fast. I regret nothing, this thing ROCKS paired with 500w amp. Absolutely love it, and it works great in the custom sub box mounted in the spare wheel (not spare wheel space, but spare wheel itself it is 16' I think). This sub is quality. Paid 300€ for the 10'
Those DD shallows are the truth...got 2 of them on 1500W RMS in a 1.7 cf sealed box under my cargo floor and they take every bit of power you can feed them, plus I got both for $550. I heard the Hertz in my local shop, didn't feel the need to switch.
@kjbad1 yea man, I sell alot of dd's subs at my shop. Another unbelievable shallow mount is the ds18 psw12.... 600 rms as well and they get down. Just installed 2 in a downfiring sealed box in a 09 gmc sierra. They are my new strong 2nd to the dd sl line.
@@reggiep I now have 2 DD SL612s, I thought the 10s were loud but the 12s play in the same size box and hit louder AND lower. Now I really have no reason to switch to Hertz...
I listened to that one as front sub in a roadster, dual 10’s in an SUV and in other setups. It´s simply an excellent sub, considering the enclosure size and the output.
I'm not a "Nertz" fan and Earthquake still makes some decent subs but I think we need to put one of the SWS against this and the new shallow typeR from Alpine to really know whose the actual better deal.
They should do ok as long as you run them on lower wattage. I think if you try and run these infinite baffle on their max power they will hit their mechanical limit pretty quick.
Hertz and others waited for JL Audios Patents to expire then they jumped on JL`s design. So they did just copy. BUt, did they make it better or improve on it? Does it out perform the Audio Mobile?
Question, I recently purchased a skar audio preloaded box that fits the 2024 rav4. I was wondering would this sub in that specific box work well? The current subwoofer that comes with the box is and sdr12.
I didn’t do the final best yet but I will tell you. If money isn’t an issue the hertz were best but… way more expense. So out of the others the fosgate took the win in my opinion. I will try and do the final conclusion video within the next 3 weeks.
Good deal...I figured the Hertz would be on top. I actually thought the sundown would had topped the others. Thanks for the quick response and keep the videos coming. You do great work!!!
i currently own two jl tw3 twelves , my 3 ten inch w1s i use to run was louder with alot more spl. I paid alot for the tw3 to not be impressed. Dont sleep on subs like w1s and alpine type s subs. They are less that 5 inch depth and hit harder IMO
At some point, everything is a copycat. If it can eventually get better results, which another brand will, why act like it's a bad thing that they lost their patent?
@@HiFiVector man I have to wait another week 🤦🏻♂️ My finger is twitching to hit the buy button. I’m putting this in my new Ranger Raptor. I have a new Kicker KXA 800.1 that will be pushing the sub in a sealed enclosure
@@joshholden8561 as owner of some tw3 12s id agree with you, alpine has the best shallow out right now. I tell people dont sleep on the type s either. Its semi shallow and hits hard for the dough. The 10 inch jl w1 is 4.6 mounting depth and hits pretty hard too with hardly no wattage
You are over glorifying that hertz shallow sub, the JL Audio Tw3 has 15mm Xmax, almost the same. Looks like they copy JL. The best shallow mount is the WavTech thinPRO12, it has dual spiders and has 20mm Xmax, blows the hertz out of the water, and handles more power(750rms).
Apparently JL's patent on the TW3 expired from what I've read online, they did improve on the design a bit though, more power handling, xmax, xmech, lower fs. I've got both and the Hertz definitely hits the lower notes with more authority imo but both are great subs
@melissathompson7229 sorry to disappoint, but I did grow up in the 80's - 90's. I did grow up in the big stereo times. I have installed sq systems too. My personal opinion are the subs are a bit pricey. We need not get into who you THINK I am or what times I grew up in. Lay off the Shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Uhhh i hate to break it to you but ive got 2 10" Peerless GBS series of woofers that are about the third of the price of the speaker that you're showing and on a 3/4 inch baffle you only need an inch and a half of clearance for this 10-inch woofer to fit. And i think i paid like 75$ each or somthing like that for them and new there like 150$ i think. And 200rms but take 400 rms all day long and 12 or 16mm xmax
Kind of funny how he starts this video off stating Hertz has its own engineers and create their own designs and products while he is showing an almost carbon copy of the JL Tw subwoofers.
Yea well I guess I believed the Hertz cool aid but you guys are right it definitely does lol ok like a JLcopy. I haven’t messed with JL much so I didn’t catch that but man now I wish I could edit that out lol
Yea I kinda agree but then again there are people that pay $1200 for a 500 watt amp from the “high end” brands. So I guess for some people that have the money to burn it doesn’t matter but I’m with ya.
I can tell you it sounds absolutely amazing and completely clean Maybe his microphone was distorting I have the mps 250 and they are phenomenal in a closed box
@@TheChrisplayer94 Listening to youtube with their added data and audio compression is always an issue . I listened to this over a Rotel system with a B&W sub and hmmm it did not get me or my sub going.
I know you haven't finished this series but , if possible could you grab an mb quart discus shallow mount and possibly the ct sounds hydra.. my reasoning is I am building an active 3 way set up in my sl550 and I'll be building an enclosure in the kicks for an 8" sub. I know you are doing 10's but , it will give me a very good idea.. @@hifivector
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Those jl patents expiring opened up the rest of the world to this type of design.
And hertz isnt 100% engineered in house several if their amps share boards with polk, and a few others not to say they dont require high qc to make production unlike some companies
For that price might as well buy the jl
@mattm2684 it's a toss up. What your dealer carries typically makes the choice. They do model slightly different. The hertz digs a touch deeper but honestly it's not enough to make a difference.
The alpine r2 is a good bit louder but the price reflects that
I heard these things in a car from my Audison Rep…I thought he had a full 12” in the trunk with a big bassreflex… But it was this woofer in their standard box…And it sounded really really tight, deep and accurate
Running the hertz sv165 rear and hc165 in the front.
Never disappointed me.
Liking these shallow mounts too.
Ty sir for reviewing these hertz 🤞
I like these a lot
Nice man. Have the sv's on my bike. Clean and clear
@Reflector-gb4vo loud and clear I'm positive. Wanting these shallows for under the seat of a cruiser pt cruiser 😂
Reminds me of the Phase Linear Aliante from the late 90s, which was even shallower and had massive excursion!!!! Still using one today!!
Looks exactly like the JL shallow mount
@@MoBassMoBassnot quite. The TW1 is only 300W and 10mm of Xmax.
The TW3 is the series these are copying.
@@thebkgand the Tw3 is only 400w of pure garbage didn't last 6 mo an a jl slash 500/1. Replaced it with a DD audio sl612 half the price 10x the quality
@@neilclark3243 of your looking for high volume booming bass sub then JL is the wrong choice. But even then if the gain structure of your whole system (all equip from Head to Amp and in between) then even pushing them hard they wouldn't have blown. That's not on the MFG, that's on you.
Donaldhastyjr4066 is correct. Earthquake Sound has shallow subs with voice coils mounted very similar to that Hertz woofers. They too have tons of excursion and are not very expensive.
i had 4 of these on 3K for a while in a 1.6cubic ft sealed box these things are no joke.
Ive got 2 of these in my 350z, and i love them. Ive been in the scene since 94 and have owned jl. These are the first woofers ive owned other than jl audio. They sound amazing with a very wide range of clear musical sound. I can go from the 1812 Overture, right into NiN, than old school 2 short and the bass is clean and tight. They can hit hard as well. Ill never look back.
Life is too...
ele soa melhor que JL vc já ouviu o 13tw5v2?
Kicker comp rt 12 gen 1 also able to mount all the way back of the box as well. there also rate at 800 rms each no venting on back with push terminals 2 for 500$
I have this same subwoofer at home, waiting to be installed. I still need the amp, but from the preliminary tests I did at home, it sounds very capable. It plays low and makes the furniture rattle.
Can´t wait to hear it in the car 😀
I’m running 2 of these in a MTI sealed box and they thump hard. Very impressed with them.
I have the MPS300s2 which is the 12" version. It's insane how much deep bass it produces. Definitely doesn't sound like a shallow subwoofer.
Me too!! I only have the 4 ohm 12inch version. Hits also very hard and loud, even from a sealed closed trunk all the way inside the cabin.
I wonder how these compare to Jl audios tw3 I have 2 in the back of my xt5 and they slap hard for being in the spare tire compartment
I have this one cause JL audio equivalent wasn't available fast. I regret nothing, this thing ROCKS paired with 500w amp. Absolutely love it, and it works great in the custom sub box mounted in the spare wheel (not spare wheel space, but spare wheel itself it is 16' I think). This sub is quality. Paid 300€ for the 10'
From experience you got lucky the JL TW3 is garbage
Hey can you test the prv audio 10” shallow
DD sl610 shallow mount 14.5mm xmax..... would love to hear a sound comparison. Also the dd sl610 is 300-600 rms conservative......
Those DD shallows are the truth...got 2 of them on 1500W RMS in a 1.7 cf sealed box under my cargo floor and they take every bit of power you can feed them, plus I got both for $550. I heard the Hertz in my local shop, didn't feel the need to switch.
@kjbad1 yea man, I sell alot of dd's subs at my shop. Another unbelievable shallow mount is the ds18 psw12.... 600 rms as well and they get down. Just installed 2 in a downfiring sealed box in a 09 gmc sierra. They are my new strong 2nd to the dd sl line.
You’re right about those DD SL series. I just bout the SL608 to put in my Harley lids. It has a 12mm xmax and a 34 FS so it will hit the lows.
@MrILLryder you won't be disappointed.... I haven't had too much experience with the dd 8's. Man I hardly ever install 8's period lol.
@@reggiep I now have 2 DD SL612s, I thought the 10s were loud but the 12s play in the same size box and hit louder AND lower. Now I really have no reason to switch to Hertz...
I have 4 JL 10tw3 under my seat. I heard 2 of these 12” Mille pros also under the seat and these things bang!
Also I have some dd audio sl600 10s in my truck how would you compare them I need more bass
I listened to that one as front sub in a roadster, dual 10’s in an SUV and in other setups. It´s simply an excellent sub, considering the enclosure size and the output.
I want to see a test of the ct sounds hydro
I am liking the 500 watts RMS rating
Wow 👀
I have a question im dont know .. got a bmw g31 and i dont know if i go with
1 hertz mps 250
Or
2 HERTZ ES F20.5
Thanks guys😁😁
I haven’t heard the f20.5 so I can’t say sorry.
Did it come with a spec sheet and any of the ts parameters on it by any chance?
They list them online
Earthquake makes a killer shallow mount as well.
I have a Punch P3s shallow mount. I have been looking for a better woofer. I am thinking either the Hertz or Earthquake might be a contender
@@iamgriffcheck out the Digital Design SL608. I just bought one to put in my Harley lids. The specs are better than this Hertz.
Earthquake Audio are the original inventors which everybody else copies from.
AND.. Earthquake subs are lightweight thus they use a NEO magnet.
Earthquake actually has a patent on their shallow mounts and at half the price, Earthquake is simply a better all-around deal for $200.
I remember the earthquake magma. Destroyed everything!
I'm not a "Nertz" fan and Earthquake still makes some decent subs but I think we need to put one of the SWS against this and the new shallow typeR from Alpine to really know whose the actual better deal.
I have two of those subs in my trunk. What is the best frequency to run them
30hz to 100 hz is a good place to start
How would these run in an open baffle setup?
They should do ok as long as you run them on lower wattage. I think if you try and run these infinite baffle on their max power they will hit their mechanical limit pretty quick.
Where is the sub made, what country?
Hertz and others waited for JL Audios Patents to expire then they jumped on JL`s design. So they did just copy. BUt, did they make it better or improve on it? Does it out perform the Audio Mobile?
Are they fittable on the car's doors ? Are they good as woofer on doors ?
They are still 10” so pretty big but you may be able to make it work.
What do you think of using this with a 12" earthquake sslap passive radiator?
Question, I recently purchased a skar audio preloaded box that fits the 2024 rav4. I was wondering would this sub in that specific box work well? The current subwoofer that comes with the box is and sdr12.
I have it installed in my sedan and i love it
Absolutely amazing Subwoofer
Where did u mount it. Was thinking of it in trunk against the back area.
@@bradmetts1848 in the sidewall of the trunk
I have a few videos on my channel where i tested it if you are interested
@@bradmetts1848 i have a few videos of it on my channel if you like
It is mounted on the left sidewall.
Wavtech thinPRO12 is far superior. 20mm Xmax and 750rms. Ported or seal application.
I'm about to put the 12 inch version in the trunk of my BMW E30.
how about recoil? shallow mount suds they also have a similar design also quit a bit cheaper with similar ratings.
Did you ever post the conclusion video? I'm seriously looking for some nice shallow mounts and trust your reviews.
I didn’t do the final best yet but I will tell you. If money isn’t an issue the hertz were best but… way more expense. So out of the others the fosgate took the win in my opinion. I will try and do the final conclusion video within the next 3 weeks.
Good deal...I figured the Hertz would be on top. I actually thought the sundown would had topped the others. Thanks for the quick response and keep the videos coming. You do great work!!!
Anytime thanks so much for watching!
Does the shallow mount subs use the same size box as normal aubs? Or are they made for smaller boxes?
They are typically made for smaller boxes.
Definitely
they are made for tight spaces but will work in bigger enclosures also
i currently own two jl tw3 twelves , my 3 ten inch w1s i use to run was louder with alot more spl. I paid alot for the tw3 to not be impressed. Dont sleep on subs like w1s and alpine type s subs. They are less that 5 inch depth and hit harder IMO
They are phenomenal. Used two in a 4th order bandpass. Not many systems rattle our shop roof. Everyone came running when I first fired it up.😂😂😂
Big Jeff doesn’t sell Hertz anymore. I just went ahead and bought this sub. I couldn’t wait for your results 😂
Looks like a jl tw3
Yeah the patent jl had for them ran out so here come the copy cats
Exactly. He's patronizing hertz. 5:21
At some point, everything is a copycat. If it can eventually get better results, which another brand will, why act like it's a bad thing that they lost their patent?
Wow all that dough and no Push Terminals.. Pretty sad
Nice looking shallow mount sub just the price is a little high imo for a shallow mount
@HIFIVector
what’s the out come? I’m waiting on you to give your verdict, before i purchase. Is this your winner?
Video next weekend on the shallow mount conclusion:)
@@HiFiVector man I have to wait another week 🤦🏻♂️
My finger is twitching to hit the buy button. I’m putting this in my new Ranger Raptor. I have a new Kicker KXA 800.1 that will be pushing the sub in a sealed enclosure
Awesome review as always. Sucks my amp currently is rated at 350w rms. These things would need more power unfortunately.
Thanks so much
I replaced my JL shallow mount with a Focal KXS K2 shallow mount. The difference is night and day but at twice the price it should be.
For those comparing this to JL;
Sometimes it's not just about singular T/S parameters!
Alpine shallow is 600 RMS 1800 peak and has.neo motor and 4 inch voice coil and plays down to 26 htz in small sealed box it's the king of shallow.
But the Hertz produce cleaner Bass
@@TheChrisplayer94 no it doesn't Rockford has a p3 aluminum shallow that's better than the Hertz and the alpine is very.good for a shallow.
@@joshholden8561 as owner of some tw3 12s id agree with you, alpine has the best shallow out right now. I tell people dont sleep on the type s either. Its semi shallow and hits hard for the dough. The 10 inch jl w1 is 4.6 mounting depth and hits pretty hard too with hardly no wattage
@@tjaprilgage I had a set of the newest Rockford fosgate p3 shallow subs with aluminum cone for shallows those are very decent subs but pretty pricy.
@joshholden8561 yea I really like fosgate stuff. I have three of the t series power amps , the 1500, the 1000 and the 600.4
You are over glorifying that hertz shallow sub, the JL Audio Tw3 has 15mm Xmax, almost the same. Looks like they copy JL. The best shallow mount is the WavTech thinPRO12, it has dual spiders and has 20mm Xmax, blows the hertz out of the water, and handles more power(750rms).
I would just buy the Sundown SML subs instead of these. Those spade terminals are a no go.
Daym! I wanna like it, but even I can't justify the price. It's pretty, it's got style, it might even put in the work. Hmmm weeeeelll seeeee...
This looks exactly like the Recoil. Probably the same parent company.
Sorry, I was wrong. I went back and their newer one is Neo and double surround.
Spade connector?????
They have updated to push terminals on the newer ones.
1000 rms?
Pioneer premier shallow mounts hit harder
Yea they don't copy JL , NOT AT ALL 😅
Jl shallow mounts are crazy
Apparently JL's patent on the TW3 expired from what I've read online, they did improve on the design a bit though, more power handling, xmax, xmech, lower fs. I've got both and the Hertz definitely hits the lower notes with more authority imo but both are great subs
Same manufacturer
My first thought
Nice sub never the less
Try ct sound hydro 12
Looks very similar to the JL AUDIO 12TW3 slim subwoofer
too expensive. Can you test Focal Sub 10 SLIM. ??
Sure looks like the JL 12 TW3
That is a straight up copy of JL
Im not into JL so I didn’t catch that. But you guys are right it looks like a JL for sure.
@@HiFiVector it’s cool. It’s like a tw3 but with a tw1 frame
Hmm jl audio tw3 anyone? On a tw1 chassis?
I wouldnt say most insane... Ill put the DD Audio Sl12 aginst that any day. The SL os rated at 600w and im giving it 800 daily it doesnt even sweat
Damn... I like AUDIOMOBILE sub
JL Audio basically what it is
Nice
I'm puzzled by the subs in your thumbnail having push terminals yet the examples you physically showed are spades...
Mine must have been older production before they changed to push terminals.
The prices is a lot for a shallow mount
$450 each! They should work without a box😂😂😂.. Dammmm!
You clearly aren't into higher end sq, and you certainly didn't grow up in the 90s if $400 is considered expensive
@melissathompson7229 sorry to disappoint, but I did grow up in the 80's - 90's. I did grow up in the big stereo times. I have installed sq systems too. My personal opinion are the subs are a bit pricey. We need not get into who you THINK I am or what times I grew up in. Lay off the Shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
look alot like the jl
Earthquake SWS all day long.
My motto is to just add more energy to make it smaller.
🙌
Uhhh i hate to break it to you but ive got 2 10" Peerless GBS series of woofers that are about the third of the price of the speaker that you're showing and on a 3/4 inch baffle you only need an inch and a half of clearance for this 10-inch woofer to fit. And i think i paid like 75$ each or somthing like that for them and new there like 150$ i think. And 200rms but take 400 rms all day long and 12 or 16mm xmax
Boy they copy the JL shallow mount sub identically only thing different is the woofer cone.
These speaker leads are definitely not factory...
Needs to bee 199
🤑🤑hertz are great but still hertz the pocket.. 🤑🤑
Yep lol good stuff but definitely pricey. But like JL that’s the market they are trying to cater to I think.
Bice sub Netherlands the less bud
Kind of funny how he starts this video off stating Hertz has its own engineers and create their own designs and products while he is showing an almost carbon copy of the JL Tw subwoofers.
Yea well I guess I believed the Hertz cool aid but you guys are right it definitely does lol ok like a JLcopy. I haven’t messed with JL much so I didn’t catch that but man now I wish I could edit that out lol
The design patents on the JL Audio shallows expired...and then Hertz shallow subs magically appeared
Pioneer did the style first and everyone just put there spin on it .
👍👍👍...🍻👊
450 and no push terminals... lol
Good lord 🦾🦾🦾
Can’t say they were engineered by Hertz..:this is literally a copy and paste of the JL
For 400 to 500 I'm not impressed sorry
Yeah always someone…You need to take in account the tight spaces this will make giant bass from..
I bought mine in germany for 280€
@@justkiddin1980he’s right. It’s not that impressive. The ds18 isx 12 and 10 are half the cost and perform just as well.
@@MrILLryder Yeah they are literally almost twice the price in America
cool sub but it aint no damn $450 cool..
Yea I kinda agree but then again there are people that pay $1200 for a 500 watt amp from the “high end” brands. So I guess for some people that have the money to burn it doesn’t matter but I’m with ya.
@@HiFiVector different strokes i guess.
copied jl audio
Design looks like jl audio for that price would rather go for jl
These things are stupid expensive alpine has the best shallow.
😂😂😂😂😂 JL are far away..no1 !!!
That actually sounded really bad. Sorry but you saying it sounds so good did not swing me.
I can tell you it sounds absolutely amazing and completely clean
Maybe his microphone was distorting
I have the mps 250 and they are phenomenal in a closed box
@@TheChrisplayer94 Listening to youtube with their added data and audio compression is always an issue . I listened to this over a Rotel system with a B&W sub and hmmm it did not get me or my sub going.
Moist
I know you haven't finished this series but , if possible could you grab an mb quart discus shallow mount and possibly the ct sounds hydra.. my reasoning is I am building an active 3 way set up in my sl550 and I'll be building an enclosure in the kicks for an 8" sub. I know you are doing 10's but , it will give me a very good idea.. @@hifivector
I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@HiFiVector the ct sounds hydro would be a good test subject. Cheap enough and appears to be pretty decent