Smash 4 Wii U - Guaranteed Stage Spike on Cloud (NOT TECHABLE)
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- We discovered that Cloud can not tech in a certain situation when using his up special in Super Smash Bros for Wii U & 3DS. This allows for some easy gimps and might even change the metagame a bit!
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Sometimes Sakurai just does shit, you know?
The Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the Finals
IntroSpecktive Damn Right!
that's where the magic is
Can't wait to see you Zard Walk away from the destruction caused by this knowledge.
The unofficial motto of this game
Cloud mains hate me!
Click to find out how this miraculous tech improved my edge-guarding in minutes!
Yashua AhLawd Sounds dirty
Using this one weird trick!
This is a top tier comment
Sounds like a get rich quick scheme.... (stares at suspiciously)
Has a weird picture at the bottom of who knows what.
Here you have your Cloud nerf!
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Beefy Smash Doods Make à video about Ryu maybe, he has so much combo potential and it would be fun to see you guys cover him
Beefy Smash Doods and i thought he was the best
but its not christmas yet
Do you guys think cloud needs a nerf?
So weird. Good find doods.
My Smash Corner wow all three channels shown here
Except for Alpharad
He made it to Winner's Finals with this one simple trick. Cloud mains hate him!
Lol nice one
IMAO
Welp cloud just lost his spot on the tier list lmao
this game is really good at inconsistent teching
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I like cheese
Oh sure, NOW it decides to post my comments correctly.
same
patch 1.1.7
cloud given a small nerf and this is removed
jigglypuff gets melee powers
#BuffPuff
cover the Mewtwo teleport glitch
Jigglypuff can no longer shield, and an attempt to do so would lead to an automatic death.
I'd say buff Dedede, too. He's never gotten any buffs at all. I don't even play him, and it still bugs me.
I've played him since Brawl, and this has always bugged me.
Sorry Kids you can't go beyond 1:27 during the video....
Untechable hits are for adults only.
Underrated comment
This is brilliant! IAMO! XD
Because only kids main cloud
I don't get the joke.
have fun bullying cloud on for glory
A fellow Ganon eh? I wish you fun in spreading evil.
>Implying that FG Clouds tech in the first place
+Black Pants thanks bro. It is easy on forglory, specialy now that even a Uair will stage spike clouds
+nintendo plaza i have the baddest of lucks that most of my cloud matches are against teching ones
Cloud needs even more bullying.
The 66% who said he didn't need a nerf were the people who switched to Cloud and play him now.
Ikr, fucking Clouds players. FG = 50% of Clouds, 35% of Zelda, 10% of Robin, 5% of Bayonetta haha
the 66% who said he didnt need a nerf were the people that know the matchup
Imo he just needs a reduction of active frames on his up air, this thing aside he's fine
35% Zelda? lmao you mean Mario
Jerx Jeremy Mario? 1v1 only... FG = Smash, Duo, 1v1. Go in duo or even Smash, there is always a Zelda scrub who spam special moves and camp like a fegit.
I am a simple smash player. I see a video about dealing with Cloud, I give a like before the video
Je sens le français dans tes mots
I see no french, besides yours, and my name.
David Beauchemin He speaks french, he's canadian I was right haha go check his channel description
Bon, tu as raison... I concede.
I'm not actually canadian :) I do live in Canada though
Maybe it has something related to this:
Most of the time of the untecheable frames Cloud could press B again to activate the second part of his Climhazard, so it might be that the game "disables" other inputs for it. Are there any other 2 phases up-b moves?
Defákinbos shulk's up-b
This seems close to the truth, might just be a Cloud specific thing. This doesn't seem to be the case for Shulk. Might need more testing.
this comment needs their attention
Maybe Pikachu?
i stand by this i am a cloud main and i want a cloud pacht
watch cloud randomly drop 10 spots on the tier list
Nah he's still extremelly good he just has the Little Mac syndrome of being DEAD if he's too far offstage, but what makes this not as bad as Little Mac is his limit brake...
You see I think Cloud mains will now be more careful when wasting Limit Moves, beacuse if they don't have limit offstage they could likely die, so maybe from now on Cloud mains will not use any other Limit Move as much just so they can recover, if they manage to do that correctly then this might not be such a big deal.
I main Cloud and I think that may be what I'll be trying...
ExtremeEpikness SIKE, THAT'S, THE WRONG NUMBA
"Cloud is perfectly balanced! He has tons of weaknesses!"
-People who main Cloud
What kind of logic is that? Perfectly balanced and yet tons of weakness? I can't comprehend any single thing to that.
I main Cloud and he isn't OP as hell. Yeah like he is better than most of the other characters but has weaknesses
Great, now his position in the tiers is gonna drop like the Twin Towers on 9/11.
I wouldn't count on it, this doesn't do much to harm his already terrible recovery any further as he can still be gimped the same ways as before and this option will likely be covered by good Cloud players anyway by Limit Clim, aerials etc.
Thats a good thing.
WTF WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE JUST SAID?!
inb4 Cloud falls of the tier list
OPEENIONS
ha, t'es là ?
Welp he's still really good he just has the little mac syndrome of being dead if he's offstage... Maybe Cloud mains will waste their limits much less from now on in case they need to recover, shit like this can change the Cloud Metagame.
MajoubJohnson10
eh oui ^^
JCrv
yeah!
"this video shouldn't have been made, we cloud mains already have it hard enough as it is".
"I only play cloud because final fantasy 7 is my favorite game of all time." in reality (man this character is so good, I have never even touched a final fantasy game in my life).
"cloud is the little mac of sword fighters".
"this character isn't even that good".
"you should've air dodged my up-air".
Things cloud players say.
Looks like the skies will be clear once again☀️🌬☁️
Beefy Smash Doods can find a Cloud nerf, but I won't be impressed until they find a Puff buff
Beefy Smash Doods back at it again with the amazing info. You guys rock!
Can we get an 18+ warning on this video
Yeah, this sounds dumb. Buff Cloud
Azure Yosh eww
Rcruzer bro stop following me
August Elliott cool
Fuck Cloud. nerf it until it is unplayable.
Buff Cloud to a storm
I came from the announcement on discord 😃
Yiss, I succeeded!
-Risuno
There is a discord? I want to join!
congratulations!
Link is in the descriptions! :)
they replied! yay :D
Excellent video as always. Keep up the good work!
People don't tech on for glory
Me as well. On for glory i dont even try to tech, but i tourneys i always tech.
you can, but it's probably cause the timing is different. I've done offline stage techs, but I often don't expect them in time.
I get killed more often by pressing the dodge button a half a second before the opponent's arial, and still get hit...
Well, this was a joke. I tech on for glory all the time, but with the average skill level being less than if you gave a chimpanzee the remote and let them play, I thought it would be funny.
I can never pull off techs online, the timing is always off vecause connections
lol its almost like for glory players dont even have the ability to adapt. They're just like, "Oh, I got hit because I rolled into up smash. Let's roll in the same direction again!"
Anti-guide is gonna shout you out again it seems 👀
The thumbnail for this video makes me feel like you're about to advertise up-air enhancement pills
This is hands down the most weird and random game mechanic in Smash 4 (especially with the whole spin thing), yet it seems too specific to be a bug. Very interesting discovery.
the year is 20VII
literally everyone plays cloud at m2k levels of up air.
because of this, the untechable stage spike meta has evolved drastically and is the only factor in determining a match
Reads "Guaranteed Stage Spike on Cloud"
instantly likes
Just like most people agreed on the poll, Cloud does not need a nerf. His recovery is bad enough, this discovery will only make it worse
Sakurai, you work in mysterious ways. Thank you for this gift.
Dang, I'm glad that you found this
Cloud isn't going to be top tier a year from now.
No way. His netural is way too good. I think he'll drop out of top 5 eventually but limit and his disjoint + frame data is way too good for him to ever drop out of the top 10.
***** He can also just randomly die, and his success is based around landing Limit Breaks. Those are REALLY polarizing factors in a game where consistent characters tend to pull you through brackets.
MockRock - Smash Bros and More Almost every character can randomly die offstage though. He has too many tools to keep from going offstage in the first place and his recovery really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Has a disjoint to protect him, wall jump, side B mixups, good vertical distance. Ability to keep limit for recovery to prevent being gimped. There would have to be a major anti-Cloud discovery made because his MU spread is way too good to drop out of top tier.
***** Any character _can_ randomly die, but Cloud consistently _does_ randomly die, even in the hands of top players. Are his tools really amazing enough to compensate for going through a bracket with 2-3 less stocks than anyone else?
And in terms of anti-Cloud discoveries, they're being made. Esam found out that you can't do a diving recovery. These guys found out you can't do a low recovery. Nobody is consistently implementing this info, which is why I said to give it a year. They will.
looks more like Megaman is gonna be top tier once more people figure out how to play him
10 bucks says M2K knew about this but kept it quiet.
i never had trouble recovering but now thanks to this my cloud will be better prepared
THIS IS FANTASTIC
thank you very much
Having cloud problems much?
Na Im just grateful for every video! q8)
PK Lucas As a Mario main it makes me a bit happy since Cloud's absurd range on every attack out ranges Mario's T-Rex range lol
Dr. Nyxael Ayala Lol I'm a Lucas main, Luigi main, and a cloud main and I don't mind this at all.
*Looks at comments intensely*
Yep xP
great video. I learned a lot.
Loved the ryu part at the end XD
How much do you wanna bet M2K knew about this a long time ago and just never told anyone?
the thumbnail looks like a clickbait ad you have next to porn
lmfao you made my day xD
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I'd like to think they did it on purpose. lmaoo
You guys are amazing.
Hey cFive, was fun playing overwatch with you today :D
cloud mains could still reverse his up b or turn around it to hit his enemy who wants to spike him
Good idea. A little mind game/50/50 there.
doesnt work if they wanna spike them regularly since they'll be above him but thats a pretty nice idea if you have to recover really low from directly under the edge.
Blue Spark as long as you dont press it twice its good XD
CLOUD MAINS HATE THIS! Smash dood finds new trick to punishing Cloud, only for frames 18+!
Seriously, the buzzfeed article headlines are writing themselves.
As a Yoshi main, you are now my new smash bible. :)
I didn't think it was possible but the spinning launch animation just got even more WTF.
Cloud not needing a nerf? Yeah right, he needs to get nerfed to hell
"most of you said no"
yall have too much money.
I've always challenged Cloud off stage. Good to know it's untechable. Also, great choice of music.
You guys are my heroes.
Inb4 they patch this out during the Wii U/3DS Maintenance tonight :^)
1.1.7 when nintendo?
don't jinx us!!
No, we need a new patch for the Puff.
I just thought of something. #PatchThePuff
#BuffPuff
Acsilverfish360 *#buffthepuff
1.1.7 patch notes LEAKED puff has finally been buffed! Her rest kills at 0%! Cloud's recovery buffed both limit charged and non limit charged! Cloud and Puff are the best characters in the game
I'm watching you, Beefy . The sock will accept vitamins.
Underrated thumbnail
This doesn't change the fact he is still a beast on stage. We all already know his recovery sucks. Now it sucks even more. I'm sure experienced Cloud mains will find ways around it.
Easy fucking ways. nerf the Cloud
"With just the right amount of salt, you too can look laughable in a comment section!"
cloud cant tech? better nerf greninja
That's why you do up-b in the other direction with cloud to prevent getting attacked
well, doing this is kinda risky, but it does move you away from the ledge just enough
Wonderful discovery. Over the years I have learned to hold my own against cloud mains. now I have one more option to fell them
Until mods fix it that is.
Project Stardust, get to work.
Pft
Guess what happens if Nintendo finds out about Project Stardust. It'll be dead, like PM :P
***** That's only if they decide to stream it on national tournaments again. That is what caused the fall of Project M, not Nintendo finding out naturally.
wow you guys really get your money's worth with these games...
Wow, that changes a lot of matchups
At least Cloud mains won't have to feel guilty when they miss that tech, and die with no regrets
Unless they are over 100% and get the untechable spin animation. Then they can have regrets.
+Robi-Wan Shinobi Yes, ha ha!
I feel like all the people that voted on the poll were cloud mains because he's broken af
or people who are not salty about losing to someone you beat all the time and know cloud isnt as good as people think
Mmox z His only weakness is his recovery, which actually isn't even that bad if you have the limit charged up.
his only weakness is, how you pLay
I'm pretty sure that's the reason why the poll ended up like that.
Please don't patch this, Sakurai.
Sakurai may be a troll but he has a heart. Even he hates Brawl Meta-Knight and literally wanted patches so there won't be a repeat of Brawl.
Wait, where did you find Sakurai saying he didn't like Brawl Meta-Knight? That would be a very interesting link to have.
Bizz Sakurai once said from Source Gaming that Brawl was unsatisfying and that's the (or one of) the reasons he wanted to make Smash 4.
A S H L E Y
Ah, I should of known it was source gaming. Thanks, I'll have to look that up.
Please patch this sakurai
The "spin animation" is called Reeling. It denotes knockback so strong you are literally reeling from it
love the thumbnail "cloud mains hate this" loool now to the actual video
I dont care how much you hate cloud, this is unfair
this and many other countless things in the game are "unfair", the community just has to adapt as players
git guud is the name of the game
You are pretty much the only one who is sad here. Cloud held player's hands for too long now they have to adapt.
Outta Psych
25%, and only if the cloud is above 100%. Plus you're not accounting for missing the tech at all, which is a very real possibility.
You know what else is unfair? Cloud
This is basically enough to drop cloud out of top 5
No. No it is not
Deff is. Hoping they fix this it really doesn't make sense to let this slide, he's already easily gimp-able it makes no sense to make it even easier to punish his shit recovery
Due to this vulnerability period, I must admit limit will become more valuable offstage, but Cloud's tier all depends on how the community adapts to him. He still had good stuff
working as intended
Ayyy, good looking' out Sakurai B]
Watch there be a "busted" video for this like the last one.
What was busted?
Impassible to tech video its on there channel.
Impossible*
As a Cloud main, life is hard...
Nah. Maybe now it is though
I feel u so deeply :'(
Limitz 2OP I feel your pain
Are you kidding? This is your only flaw. You can spam uair as you want and they'll always land.
Inumi you know there's a button on your controller that sheilds your character. And you can punish right after using it on a cloud u-air
That thumbnail looks like one of those ads that are like 'THIS FOOD BURNS FAT IMMEDIATELY, DOCTORS HATE THIS'
Wow, thats certinaly a sigh of relief to know that. Now i just got to get used to fighting cloud so i can put him in that position
I still think his nair and his dair need some fucking landing lag...
Both have landing lag. What do you mean?
#gitgud
Abyss its totally a factor of *gitting gud* when cloud can just pogo around all day and combo nairs all game right?
Short hop nair isn't even good, it's unsafe as hell. Just adapt, stop complaining
Cap'n K yes, his easily Acancelled down air that has a bigger hotbox than links Dair that hits harder with a extremely disjointed hotbox is unsafe
Do you get what that word means?
Cuz I doubt you get what that word means
Fuck now everyone knows how to beat me
good
git gud
I think it might be because of THE property on his Up B that prevents him from snapping the ledge? It could carry over when hit into a wall/Ceiling/Floor and when hit with the "Untechable spin animation" the two give double negatives (Can't Tech Stage spike + Can't Tech due to spin = Can't Cannot Tech = Tech on spin animation during those frames). That's just my theory
u werent supposed to tell people this, now ill have an even harder time recovering
I'd actually like to see this get fixed.
nah
Spotted the Cloud main
#exposed
How about no
I like my sexy replays I don't want it patched over some salty fucking piece of shit
This is actually stupid... They should fix these techable/ untechable situation because then the game is based more on luck, more so than actual skill. I don't even play cloud for my mains and I think it's really stupid that the game can just decide that you lose. This isn't Mario party or Pokemon where luck is a factor. Like actually Sakurai cmon!!! Hopefully an NX version comes and fixed this stuff.
But to sakurai this is just like Mario party =/
Everything is a party in Nintendo.
Let's hope that Cloud is not on the NX ver too.
Luck is a factor because it's a party fighter. Hence why tournaments honor Star/Screen KOs.
Inumi lmao
Since 80% of the Smash community mains, seconds, or pockets Cloud, it's not surprising to see that 2/3 of the poll voted "No!" Looks like we'll just have to improve our counter-play. I guess players like having a multi-purpose K.O. Punch that can't be beaten out of them...
This was recommended on my UA-cam. I'm more of a Fire Emblem user. But whenever I use Cloud, I'll watch out.
so apparently, Cloud now has to rely on luck and camping to survive and avoid getting stage spiked... which is stupid IMHO. Glad it nerfs Cloud as I hate as easy he is to play and spammable he is, but I dislike that he has to rely on luck to survive. This will make him more boring to watch.
i doubt this will effect how "boring the character is to watch" at all lol
that's like saying that the discovery of the 25% spin will make smash 4 more boring to watch (which on paper seems sorta true) yet nobody is complaining about it effecting their enjoyment as a spectator
Luck hasn't made matches boring.
You call timed hits luck?
Snack Attack! it is. The spinning animation happens about 25% of the time when you're over 100% and get hit. Combine that with the fact that the only way Cloud can survive a stage spike with this discovery is the spinning animation, this results in Cloud players relying on that animation to survive, but since it's so low, they have to get and RELY on luck.
Not teachable for those 18 and older, salty discretion is advised.
This actually explains a lot
You know what? Cloud needs a buff. Cloud needs a reflector that comes out frame 1. Cloud needs a command grab that has super armor. Cloud needs 4 more mid air jumps. Cloud needs his dair to spike on any hit. Cloud needs to be able to use any attack out of downB.
I mean it'll completely ruin For Glory but at least our tournaments will be safe when he's banned.
Well, good thing I'm a slave to the meta. With this information out there, why would I main Cloud? Let's see... Are Rosalina and Luma still good? Okay. I main them now. Mario Galaxy is now my favorite game and Dabuz has *always* been my favorite.
let's go Dabuz
Cloud is still top 10. He's just not busted.
I love smash 4 and melee about the same, but melee doesn't have dumb shit like this.
melee has its jank moments
Invisible ceiling glitch.
LG93X melee has a lot more dumb shit
Overdrive Imagine losing a tourney match while being unable to tech with cloud or the other glitch where you spin. Besides the glitch you mentioned only happens to luigi and it's super random, for this shit, it's a 30% chance of being fucked over and 100% if you're cloud.
what about wobbling
OUR HERO. Now I see what you meant in that tweet :]
Thank you sooooooo much
You realized you created the problem by making this video right?
How?
Cap'n K
When something is a problem, its not truly a problem until its discovered. When one shines a light on it, and let it be known to the public they in turn abuse the knowledge thus creating the problem.
Its similar to how you can spoil a thing for a person by reacting to the spoiler itself. The person wouldn't have even noticed the spoiler if the other person didn't react to it thus bringing it to light.
Isn't it best to let known as many "problems" to the public as possible, in order to give them opportunities to know even more about them and to find ways to adapt or utilize them? Therefore placing the community in a progressive direction?
Personally, I think that if one know some, they ought to know all, for the sake of closure. If one knows nothing of the sort, then it's up to those who can bring the "light" to decide whether to reveal secrets or not. Problems are just frustrations, right? They're not always bad
Cap'n K
Yes, this is true. Problems need to be revealed in order for them to be solved. But I personally would've tried in a different manner than to announce it to the public. I would've tried to let Nintendo know directly so that they can implement a patch for this exploit.
As it is now, now ppl can abuse this exploit and Nintendo may still have not even seen this to fix said bug.
I believe knowledge and information can solve problem, but I believe directed knowledge and information is more useful overall.
U know what that means
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I clicked 4 times...
-Risuno
Beefy Smash Doods lmao
on mobile the "Read More" text is more grayish, this never works against me.
NextLevelGamer ik, it still worked on Risuno 😂😂😂
YungKiwi I fell for this way too hard. I honestly wanted to know what it meant lol
This requires getting Cloud offstage. -_-
Lol Nice video.
I feel like this is one of the 3 things that bend the rules of Sm4sh, coincidentally, all coming from DLC characters.
We've got Corrin's Counter Surge.
We've got Bayonetta's recovery,
And now we've figured out Cloud's Tech.
"cloud mains HATE her for using this ONE TRICK they DON'T want you to KNOW!"
Sakurai really is the greatest troll of all time.
It's the only default of Cloud : His Up B (recovery). It's very good to specify. Only limit can save him.
I play cloud sometimes. I adapt to changes in circumstances.
The thumbnail looked like a click bait article. "Gyms Hate him, see how he lost 100 lbs in 1 month!"
Kenny Bevan that's what I thought when I saw it