Same for me, Scott. My annual savings compared to fossile fuel (I'm driving approximately 20 000 kilometres a year, I'm charging most of the time at home) is about NOK 8000 / €800 / £665. Then services are likely cheaper, I save money on road tax etc. And it's much better air to breath in ;) PS: I have the 28 kWh battery which works fine for me. I live in Norway.
I got an IONIQ plug in. Where I live in the north of sweden, I dont pay anything for charging my car, its free at my work and its included in the parkingspace at home. I can drive 60 km in electric mode, and that takes me to work, shopping and anything else on a normal weekday.
On my 2018 Ioniq Hybrid the best consumption was 3.1L/100km. Long Avg consumption is about 4.1-4.5 L/100km majority in city. This doesn't means to drive slow but you need to drive in a hybrid style.
I'm about to buy a 2020 Ioniq Electric, E cost is mostly free, even on long distance travel. DCFC chargers that are free are 22 or 50 kW power max. J1772 is 5.7-7.4 up to 16 kW power, obviously limited to 7.2 kW. I live in Alberta Canada, it gets really cold here -35C is not uncommon in winter. I also do both urban and rural car camping. Sleep in a car or outside in a hammock, depending how cold it is or where you are, camp ground or off the main roads Hammock is great. But in cities or rest areas you need to sleep in a car, bears & mountain lions also are good reasons to sleep in the car. I'm tall 195 cm so fir EV's car camping requires room, sleeping diagonally in an Ioniq should be okay, seats forward, rear folded, using a 4-6" folding mattress, support under the mattress etc... Ultility mode is very important for this (camping mode) as it lets you use the main battery not the 12 volt battery to run the heater radio and accessory ports (heated blanket, kettle or lunch box stove). A Fridge and or heater box is important for hauling food, either for food delivery or for taking real food with you 'camping'. I'm a Delivery driver with various food delivery apps. Skip, Foodago, Uber Eats, Door Dash, and others and do limited shipping moving of small loads with Uship or Classifieds. When driving places i have people pay me to drop stuff off for them. I get to pick what i want to carry or not carry. Etc... Pay is $15-45 / hr. But some times you don't get lots of hours, or irregular hours. Or pandemics shut everything down. Plus side no rent when car camping, downside lots of time in cars. Normally this is broken up with getting out if the car, going to restaurants which often have delivery driver discounts, bathrooms are always available through work. Gym's 24/7 access is great gives bathrooms, showers, work out space and free massage. However right now everything is closed. You end up renting a storage locker and using it for changing clothes, relaxing on a couch, reading, using a desk or computer, shaving, Summer coats, winter coats, rain coats, etc... Storing stuff and food and keeping organized. Can't sleep in them though. Much cheaper than rent. Some have 24 hr access. Others with better security 18+ hour access. Bicycles, even park a car inside if you want. Some places restrict cars but EV's are usually ok. Long term Airport storage place often have 'block heater' plugs that work fine for level 1 charging when on holidays for extended duration. When you come back everything is charged. Level 1 charging keeps your 12 volt battery charged too. Alberta is not EV friendly, we have 1 100 kW charger. Alberta is three times bigger than England. My city has 4 50 kW DCFC. The other main city has 3 but one is 21 kW and free. Smaller cities have 0-2 DCFC. Level 2 charging is about 10 for small cities and a couple in towns. Larger cities have 50+ Level 2 and 1000's of level 1 block heater plugs with free parking. Sleeping in a car in a city is frowned upon, but at chargers it is ignored. Sleeping in a seat is fine, camping on a mattress they are less happy about. Can't do it in parks but you can on the street beside parks. Comfortable seat or seat cushion makes all the difference. I'm looking at the Ioniq partly because the back area is big enough to 'camp' in and the seat has, without a sunroof, enough headroom for a cushion. The Chevy Bolt / Opel Ampera E, has a skinny but more comfortable seat for me but lacks cargo room. Basically 30 cm less cargo length. Ioniq EV has less range than a Bolt EV, but has Utility mode for 'camping', Ioniq has regen adjustments 0-3+4. Bolt has 1.5-2.5+4. regen levels. (4 is the button) Ioniq EV level 2 is my favourite. Bolt D or Level 1.5 is best over all. It is just like driving an ICE. Ioniq has better winter heat pump and you can turn the regen off for ice driving. You can lose control with regen on ice as it only effects the drive wheels. For a Tesla or other awd EV, it doesn't matter. Bigger cargo area means i can carry more in the Ioniq. Ioniq also has two 180 Watt 12 volt plugs vs the Bolt having 1 150 Watt port. Most 12 volt car batteries are limited to 150 Watt, but Ultility mode lets you use more power. These ports help when hauling food, as you can use an active warmer instead of relying on a passive thermal carrying box. Piping hot food is always better or cold ice cream. Ioniq problems for me, the backseat is useless, best kept with sears folded as there is no room for me to sit back there. It is storage room only. The back widow is terrible. Split design is hopeless. Base version has a camera but no sonic sensors for parking. Some of this is helped with a video rear view mirror. Acts as a dash cam too and that helps. Chevy Bolt has better head lights, is quicker, drives better, but not as good in winter. Bolt also has much better headroom for the back seats, cargo area. Ioniq is harder to get in and out of because it is quite low. Ioniq has a lower ground clearance which can be a problem in winter with snowy side roads. Deals during the Pandemic are very good. 6 month no payments, cash back and low interest rates. Ioniq is available where as the too tiny Kona is not available. The only other car i'm interested in is the Tels Model 3 or Model S but they are unaffordable.
Hello Mark and all. So I own my Ioniq EV for 3 years now. In the term of incentives in UK (where I live): £4,5k knocked off the purchase price, £500 towards the home wall charger (that changed as they cost below £100 now), of the car was bought as a company car government allowed you you to put it in your books as a cost! (No depreciation!) - that means 20% saving of the income tax, and VAT returned. So out of the original £32k of the car it really cost me about £17,8k on cash. In the terms of driving; charging network is massive in UK. Never had an issue with finding place to charge while in the road. It takes a bit of planning and preparation but once you master that its cool. Cost of charging at home about £3,50 (0,13 p/kWh) Vs £6 (0,30 p/kWh) on the road. Cheap service, no mechanical issues so far, 36k on the clock. What else can I say, for me - a great car.
I can attest to the MPG variation from summer to winter. I have the Niro HEV which has the same hybrid system and I went from 52-55 US MPG down to 44-48 during cold weeks. looks like 60 fahrenheit is the turning point when MPG starts to slowly drop. I have 2019 Niro Touring with 18 inch wheels which has lower MPG rating compare to lower trim with 16 wheels and slightly lighter. I love how both Ioniq and Niro drives with "normal" transmission and a perfect commuter car that is reliable to boot.
Excellent video that doesn’t waste time on nonsense but simply puts “need to know” information out there. I’ve had the first generation Ioniq EV for three Canadian winters and have been very happy. I’m looking at trading up to the 2020 now that it is readily available here and you have provided some useful real world data. Thank you thank you thank you for your offhanded comment about people who think the car might be underpowered. Underpowered for what is the question nobody else has put out there. Thanks for that. And for not spending 3/4 of the video playing with all the buttons on the touch screen.
I have achieved 3.1 liter on motorway and 4.1 in city in summer with 2 adults in a car plus wheelchair. In winter extra 1.1 liter. I made over 28000 km with my Ioniq hybrid and I like it.
Picking up a Hybrid Premium SE in the Summer (that's if we still have cars and are not back riding horses and hunting rabbits lol). I'd love to have gone full electric but not practical as I have nowhere to plugin at my home (apartment) so needed to compromise. I think Hyundai are getting the best 'bang for buck' across their Ioniq range with the 2020 models. I also hate the lack of buttons on the controls for media and aircon but I can live with that to have a nice, fun and economical car that is relatively future proof. Really good review and first time I've seen one doing the comparison - definitely subscribing as really like your style of reviews :)
I thing Ioniq plug in is the best car you can have it has range up to 1200km and you really have best of both worlds there please caan you review the Ioniq plug in?
Great video thanks we have 2019 hybrid and love it does not like cold it simes but got 73 mpg uk other day 150 mile mixed driving and had upto 92 mpg in summer on 50 mile trip to the beach last summer think the difference between 2020 and 2017 hybrid is that in 2017 had 15 inch tires now in 2020 it has 17 inches tires about 10-15% more fuel used owners say.
I'm having a hard time understanding how the hybrid did only 39mpg. We just got a 2022 in the US (blue trim, which boasts a slightly higher mpg rating) and my wife is getting an average of 58mpg on her 45 mile mostly highway commute. In much more congested driving (30-45 mph) around 30 miles each way I hit a stellar 69.2mpg for that trip. We've driven in rain or Light snow and it's been 20-30° f (-6- -1° c) and haven't ever averaged as low as you're getting. My 17 year old Prius that we recently retired was still hitting 45mpg in these conditions...
That’s because people forget you can’t drive like a crazy person on these. It DOES make a difference to drive conservatively on any Hybrid. You could be talking about 15MPG difference between driving over the speed limit and driving AT the speed limit
The whole offset cost argument is only if you intend to purchase the car out right and keep it , if you lease or PCP the vehicle anyway then you can have huge running cost savings , ive leased a full ev ioniq for £240 per month , its tax exempt , im getting a 7kw charger installed for free from the government , and i have a low cost home energy plan costing around 7p per KWH at night These vehicles can save you a fortune depending on where you live , eg where i live all public charging points and rapid chargers from the charge place Scotland scheme are free so you could potentially pay Nothing to run the car at all
I really enjoyed your car reviews so far Marek, and now I realize that if you had a radio show where you talk about whatever, that'd also be something to listen to. :D Edit: thanks for the calculations, it's really useful!
very good video! As a matter of fact, your reviews, along with those of Bjorn Nyland are the only ones I watch on UA-cam. In most countries with EV incentives, the price of the electric will be around €6k lower. And at least here in Germany, there are plenty of places where you can charge for free. And you'll never have to worry about inner-city low-emission tolls or barriers. Unfortunately, Hyundai changed the battery chemistry of the second-gen Ioniq, so it doesn't really fast charge any more. It throttles when it's cold or hot. It doesn't have liquid cooling, in contrast to Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro, Peugeot/Opel, and Tesla. But it has a long guarantee, so so you don't have to worry about degredation, at least.
Honest as always. The best part is 9 years to cover difference in price hahaha. I hope that Suzuki Vitara Hybrid coming in videos ahead. Keep up the good work and all the best!
Thanks for the funny and informative test! The partnership of you two is productive and heart warming and the sandwiches looked delicious! :) I like the looks of the car, especially in blue but how is the alround visibility with that fastback shape? Does the facelift hybrid still have that awful foot break? I could not really see that, onyl that the electric version has an electric parking break. In Germany you get a significant financial incentive to buy the electric version, so the evening out would not take that long. How about a comparative test between the Ioniq Hybrid and the Toyota Corolla 2,0? :D
Visibility is not great. There is now an electronic parking brake. I'll have to drive a Corolla again to refresh my memory. I'd say the Ioniq in general is the better car to drive every day, but Corolla is the better hybrid.
I get why you're saying that EVs don't make much sense in Poland. 9 years to recup the investment is a lot! However, it really depends on your market. Here in Québec (Canada), we have a 13 000$ incentive on EVs. An Ioniq EV is 32.5k while the comparable Hybrid is 31k (since it has no incentive). Add to that almost free hydro electricity (1-2$ per complete charge on the Ioniq) and it's a no-brainer. Having one of the two cars per family as an EV (or at least as a PHEV) is quite common in my area
And I envy you guys, because you have less emissions and noise pollution. (I'm copying the following from another comment I made earlier): In Poland we were supposed get up to 7k euro incentive (percentage of the EV's price), but only for EVs costing up to 29k euro. So really 4-5 models, mostly in base spec. The incentive was delayed many times, and finally the authorities realised that there would be a tax on the incentive, so they had to re-write the bill. Now there is talk of 4.5k euro incentive (probably tax free) on cars costing up to 29k euro, but nobody knows when it is going to be introduced. Also, this incentive would be available only for private individuals, not even for sole entrepreneurs. No leasing, no long-term rent. Only cash or bank loan.
My Dacia Lodgy gives an average through it's life with all types of driving of 4.5 l/100km which conveniently works out at 62 MPG equals 690 miles, 3 times as far as an electric, but in actual fact when I drive from Spain to UK I get around 800 miles per tank full.
Here in Germany we get a price reduction of about 10k buying electric cars. Considering the vast increase in charging stations (doubling from currently 25.000 to planned 50.000 by the end of 2021), there is no worry to find a charger nearby. With planned regulations to forbid gasoline cars by 2030 in most european countries, and taking care of the climate, EVs are my first choice. In fact I own an Ionic Electric Facelift and I‘m very satisfied with it. Batteries are on guarantee for 8 years, however it turns out they last much longer (I‘d expect 12 years). It‘s part of a way out to save us living, and with EV, you don‘t depend to get gasoline from where it is produced, but simply find electric energy is readily available almost everywhere w/o long distance transportation.
Thanks Marek for this, in România there are incentives for up to 10.000€ from the final purchase price. That would make sense to buy an electric instead of a hybrid, except that the charging stations are really rare and not as reliable(many go often in out of order). So, I don’t know in Poland but at least in Romania the only advantage I can find in buying an electric is to be a responsible person for the environment. Otherwise it gets no real value for money .
We were supposed get up to 7k euro incentive (percentage of the EV's price), but only for EVs costing up to 29k euro. So really 4-5 models, mostly in base spec. The incentive was delayed many times, and finally the authorities realised that there would be a tax on the incentive, so they had to re-write the bill. Now there is talk of 4.5k euro incentive (probably tax free) on cars costing up to 29k euro, but nobody knows when it is going to be introduced. Also, this incentive would be available only for private individuals, not even for sole entrepreneurs. No leasing, no long-term rent. Only cash or bank loan.
Marek Drives I forgot to specify that this incentive is given under the following conditions: you have a pre-euro5 car; you sell that car and get that 10k voucher only after you prove that you sold it. So your old car becomes a ticket for getting this voucher. Oh and the amount of vouchers are limited on a year basis.
@@MarekDrives The hybrid also benefits from some 2000 euro incentive, so in Romania we can buy the top of the range (currently the only version available for the facelift) for 22.5 k euro, which is not bad. The consumption figures you got on your test worry me, though. I currently have a Mk3 Ford Focus with the 1 liter engine and I get 6l/100km as an average for long distance (mainly out-of-city) driving and I can get bellow 5 if I really want to go economical (I managed 4.2 as my best result). Does it make sense now to buy this hybrid? Or maybe the plug-in hybrid? Decisions-decisions...Thanks for the review!
Hi, you mention it does not make sense to buy an electric in Poland. What about in a slightly cold area of Spain with temperatures that go from average 7° winter to 26°Summer? Thanks
Hi, I am likely to buy hybrid too here in southern Ontario. Are you still satisfied with this? For me its Elantra luxury vs ioniq hybrid essential (features vs hybrid).
@@sohaibqamar9586 I don't know if you're going to get this but yes I am absolutely still satisfied with my 2019 Ioniq, I fill up my tank and my range lately says about 956km sometimes 980km and I think the lowest I've gotten my L/100km is 2.0 I'm pretty sure I took a picture on my phone I'll have to dig it out and post it in a forum one day, the car is amazing, I also have the preferred edition so I don't know how much that will effect things but originally I was going to buy an essential but the only Ioniq we had left in BC was preferred so I went with that, I would recommend that if possible, slightly better trim/accessories package
@@EL_Aura thanks man. I had 2% hope that you would reply as it was 5 months ago. Thanks for replying in detail. Yeah I like preferred too as it has LED lights but it will cost around 3.5k extra :(
@@sohaibqamar9586 yeah it's not hugely worth it for a lot of people but for me specifically it was nice to get, I don't know if you heard but the Kona just set a record of 1000km on a single charge but I think it's 10k more in price
If you want, you'll find a way: back seats have strap-on hooks for some kind of child-seat - could be mounted by bag hooks. center armrest compartment contains power-only USB-A connector - simple extension cord/hub will do the trick. Also - my Ioniq PHEV 2017 has 12V battery in the back - thinking of mounting 12V outlet there :)
Thanks - very helpful. I am in sub-tropical, semi-urban part of Australia and looking at upgrading from my 2016 Hyundai i30 and keen to embrace hybrid (for the planet and for the wallet). It would be great to know whether the boot space rear storage will fit an aged care "wheelie walker" frame or a wheelchair
I'm afraid that's something you'd have check your yourself (or ask someone to verify for you by taking your wheelchair to a car dealer). I don't know if these come in standard sizes.
Hope u fine please read all and reply please m in the uk bought 2017 plug in hybrid with only 3k miles like brand new and I filled full tank and I was charging every night for 20 nights or little more and I did just over 700 miles and did few motorway trips so then I have tank left about 125 miles or something I think not good becouse I heard ppl getting close to 70 plus in hybrid only mpg that's like 700 miles to full tank which cost about 45 sterling m a right so what's the point buying plug in no good hybrid only is lot better what the full tank rang u have when u fill up and mostly how many ruffly miles do you do to full tank in hybrid please tell me weather motorway or local ?
@@princesssafoorahsworld6240 I've just bought 2017 PHEV with 11 000 km. In March with around 4-7°C, when daily commuting to work, using EV-only (without AC, which starts up engine, so just seat+steering wheel heater) I achieved avg 14kWh/100km [4,4mpkWh]. On round trip 900km in hybrid mode I've had 4,7 and 5,3L/100km [50 and 45mpg], 15°C, AC on, strong head wind on way back, total drive time 11h: avg speed 82km/h [51mph], highway GPS speed 130 km/h [81mph]. Based on my total average my monthly consumption reached 2,4l/100km [98mpg]. As of first month in use - I am pretty satisfied. With expected 24 000 km/year I've estimated yearly savings of 1300€ as oposed to bus for commute and ride-share as passenger instead of driver for monthly round trips (car insurance cost included)
electric is smooth like cvt, and quite, in some cities parking is also free for electric cars. ironically the prius is so loud at speed that engine work not noticeable at all, and engine stops when the car stops, complete illusion of an electric car. but main argument would be inconvenience of waiting near charging point, unless you have private house. so main point - electric car has to be charged where is parked for long time for your needs not the car's ;)
My next car is to be the Ioniq Hybrid Premium SE. I will all things being equal keep it for 3 years. If I am happy with it & it remains available to me I may well replace my old one with one of updated spec. But only time will tell?
A couple of comments: in hybrid cars, the more you have to heat the cabin, the more the engine stays on to produce heat thus higher fuel consumption. In electric cars regenerative braking doesn't give you extra range but recover some of the range lost during acceleration or going uphill. The most efficient is to coast with zero regen
Same here in the Netherlands. The hybrid is €27K while the electric is €37K. You are not going to win that back any time soon just saving on cheaper electricity or maintenance. You are currently exempt from paying ownership taxes, but that will end in I think 2 or 3 years from now. There is however a big tax incentive for electric business cars, so they are mainly sold as business cars.
In Poland 70 percent of new cars are for business. There is no reliable data to determine how many cars are bought by sole proprietorships rather than fleet buyers, but let's just say my MX-5 is a company car as well :)
Renault Zoe 40 kWh, using for work and personal stuff between Hungary, and Romania, 26.000 km in 6 months. I save pretty much, though I can charge slow, 22 kW only, it lengthens the 770 km trip with 7 hours, but I have time :) My parents have ioniq plugin hybrid, average consumption 2,7-3,5 l / 100 km, when we are not charging, just driving further, 4.5 l/100 km
my mom got a brand new kia niro which uses the same powertrain as the regular hybrid ioniq. she averages just about 50 mpg (US). and it shows 523 miles-ish on a full tank. and that's on a bigger car. idk how he drives for him to get worse gas mileage in a smaller car than the niro.
Two very impressive cars but the pure EV is still too expensive despite its lower running costs compared with the self-charging hybrid. I would avoid any plug-in hybrid as they usually have the worst of both worlds.
Valentines date in the Viet-Nam Orc dungeons of Mordor ... i will come with you mister Frod...ahhmmm..Marek!! Whatever it takes, i will carry you trough the traffic jam!
in my city 300,000 pop. around me only one charger 3 kW ChaDeMo and ACtype1 plugs, abt 0.30 Euro Cents/kWh (triple as home). Gasoline and diesel abt 1 Euro. Thus in between hybrid and electric IONIQ I choose manual 1.7 diesel KIA Sportage (24k USD incl taxes, fuel cons abt 6.5-7.5 city/ 5.5-6.0 roads). IONIC hybrid would be welcomed as a gift only...
Right. So you guys are where we were about 8 years ago in terms of EV infrastructure. Although assuming Ukraine is all about long distances between cities, EVs may not be right for you anyway.
The Ionic EV is ment to be one of the most efficient EV's currently out there. is 15.4Kw/h good ? I have no idea shame that here in the UK there is a 12 month waiting time to get one
Bearing in mind most of the time the temperature was close to freezing, it's pretty good. On a warmer day in the city I got it down to about 13 kWh (13.8 is the official number). For reference in early autumn I was getting close to 30 kWh in the EQC. A much heavier car, but AFAIR Mercedes promises it should use something like 22 kWh/100 km.
I was quite surprised too, because in the pre-facelift model I achieved 4,5 (barely, but still) in similar weather conditions. The other day I was driving the refreshed C-HR. 4.3 on a warm day, 5.3 on a cold day.
Why is the fuel economy so poor on the hybrid? I have a Kia Niro, which uses the same power-train, and I often get ~3.8L/100km. But the Niro is a higher car and shouldn't be quite as good as the Ioniq.
I like the Ioniq Hybrid more, but in Hybrid´s are Toyota is the champion. My C-HR has annual average 4,9 L. Electric cars make economically and ecologically no sense.
I have the Ioniq electric and what a great car. Saves me a fortune annually. It's the future.
Same for me, Scott. My annual savings compared to fossile fuel (I'm driving approximately 20 000 kilometres a year, I'm charging most of the time at home) is about NOK 8000 / €800 / £665. Then services are likely cheaper, I save money on road tax etc. And it's much better air to breath in ;)
PS: I have the 28 kWh battery which works fine for me. I live in Norway.
Your English is superb Marek! Wonderful review, better than some British produced reviews!
Is it hueday or Hunday?
I got an IONIQ plug in. Where I live in the north of sweden, I dont pay anything for charging my car, its free at my work and its included in the parkingspace at home. I can drive 60 km in electric mode, and that takes me to work, shopping and anything else on a normal weekday.
On my 2018 Ioniq Hybrid the best consumption was 3.1L/100km. Long Avg consumption is about 4.1-4.5 L/100km majority in city. This doesn't means to drive slow but you need to drive in a hybrid style.
My 400cc scooter does 4.1L/100Km omg, Suzuki Burgman
@@alexdhutanu lol
I'm about to buy a 2020 Ioniq Electric, E cost is mostly free, even on long distance travel. DCFC chargers that are free are 22 or 50 kW power max. J1772 is 5.7-7.4 up to 16 kW power, obviously limited to 7.2 kW. I live in Alberta Canada, it gets really cold here -35C is not uncommon in winter. I also do both urban and rural car camping. Sleep in a car or outside in a hammock, depending how cold it is or where you are, camp ground or off the main roads Hammock is great. But in cities or rest areas you need to sleep in a car, bears & mountain lions also are good reasons to sleep in the car. I'm tall 195 cm so fir EV's car camping requires room, sleeping diagonally in an Ioniq should be okay, seats forward, rear folded, using a 4-6" folding mattress, support under the mattress etc... Ultility mode is very important for this (camping mode) as it lets you use the main battery not the 12 volt battery to run the heater radio and accessory ports (heated blanket, kettle or lunch box stove). A Fridge and or heater box is important for hauling food, either for food delivery or for taking real food with you 'camping'. I'm a Delivery driver with various food delivery apps. Skip, Foodago, Uber Eats, Door Dash, and others and do limited shipping moving of small loads with Uship or Classifieds. When driving places i have people pay me to drop stuff off for them. I get to pick what i want to carry or not carry. Etc... Pay is $15-45 / hr. But some times you don't get lots of hours, or irregular hours. Or pandemics shut everything down.
Plus side no rent when car camping, downside lots of time in cars. Normally this is broken up with getting out if the car, going to restaurants which often have delivery driver discounts, bathrooms are always available through work. Gym's 24/7 access is great gives bathrooms, showers, work out space and free massage. However right now everything is closed.
You end up renting a storage locker and using it for changing clothes, relaxing on a couch, reading, using a desk or computer, shaving, Summer coats, winter coats, rain coats, etc... Storing stuff and food and keeping organized. Can't sleep in them though. Much cheaper than rent. Some have 24 hr access. Others with better security 18+ hour access. Bicycles, even park a car inside if you want. Some places restrict cars but EV's are usually ok. Long term Airport storage place often have 'block heater' plugs that work fine for level 1 charging when on holidays for extended duration. When you come back everything is charged. Level 1 charging keeps your 12 volt battery charged too.
Alberta is not EV friendly, we have 1 100 kW charger. Alberta is three times bigger than England. My city has 4 50 kW DCFC. The other main city has 3 but one is 21 kW and free. Smaller cities have 0-2 DCFC. Level 2 charging is about 10 for small cities and a couple in towns. Larger cities have 50+ Level 2 and 1000's of level 1 block heater plugs with free parking.
Sleeping in a car in a city is frowned upon, but at chargers it is ignored. Sleeping in a seat is fine, camping on a mattress they are less happy about. Can't do it in parks but you can on the street beside parks. Comfortable seat or seat cushion makes all the difference.
I'm looking at the Ioniq partly because the back area is big enough to 'camp' in and the seat has, without a sunroof, enough headroom for a cushion. The Chevy Bolt / Opel Ampera E, has a skinny but more comfortable seat for me but lacks cargo room. Basically 30 cm less cargo length.
Ioniq EV has less range than a Bolt EV, but has Utility mode for 'camping', Ioniq has regen adjustments 0-3+4. Bolt has 1.5-2.5+4. regen levels. (4 is the button) Ioniq EV level 2 is my favourite. Bolt D or Level 1.5 is best over all. It is just like driving an ICE. Ioniq has better winter heat pump and you can turn the regen off for ice driving. You can lose control with regen on ice as it only effects the drive wheels. For a Tesla or other awd EV, it doesn't matter. Bigger cargo area means i can carry more in the Ioniq. Ioniq also has two 180 Watt 12 volt plugs vs the Bolt having 1 150 Watt port. Most 12 volt car batteries are limited to 150 Watt, but Ultility mode lets you use more power. These ports help when hauling food, as you can use an active warmer instead of relying on a passive thermal carrying box. Piping hot food is always better or cold ice cream.
Ioniq problems for me, the backseat is useless, best kept with sears folded as there is no room for me to sit back there. It is storage room only. The back widow is terrible. Split design is hopeless. Base version has a camera but no sonic sensors for parking. Some of this is helped with a video rear view mirror. Acts as a dash cam too and that helps.
Chevy Bolt has better head lights, is quicker, drives better, but not as good in winter. Bolt also has much better headroom for the back seats, cargo area. Ioniq is harder to get in and out of because it is quite low. Ioniq has a lower ground clearance which can be a problem in winter with snowy side roads.
Deals during the Pandemic are very good. 6 month no payments, cash back and low interest rates. Ioniq is available where as the too tiny Kona is not available.
The only other car i'm interested in is the Tels Model 3 or Model S but they are unaffordable.
Thanks this is helping me to decide what if I can find the right ev for my family 😍😉🤗👍👍👍👍👍
Hello Mark and all.
So I own my Ioniq EV for 3 years now. In the term of incentives in UK (where I live): £4,5k knocked off the purchase price, £500 towards the home wall charger (that changed as they cost below £100 now), of the car was bought as a company car government allowed you you to put it in your books as a cost! (No depreciation!) - that means 20% saving of the income tax, and VAT returned. So out of the original £32k of the car it really cost me about £17,8k on cash.
In the terms of driving; charging network is massive in UK. Never had an issue with finding place to charge while in the road. It takes a bit of planning and preparation but once you master that its cool.
Cost of charging at home about £3,50 (0,13 p/kWh) Vs £6 (0,30 p/kWh) on the road.
Cheap service, no mechanical issues so far, 36k on the clock.
What else can I say, for me - a great car.
I can attest to the MPG variation from summer to winter. I have the Niro HEV which has the same hybrid system and I went from 52-55 US MPG down to 44-48 during cold weeks. looks like 60 fahrenheit is the turning point when MPG starts to slowly drop. I have 2019 Niro Touring with 18 inch wheels which has lower MPG rating compare to lower trim with 16 wheels and slightly lighter. I love how both Ioniq and Niro drives with "normal" transmission and a perfect commuter car that is reliable to boot.
Excellent video that doesn’t waste time on nonsense but simply puts “need to know” information out there.
I’ve had the first generation Ioniq EV for three Canadian winters and have been very happy. I’m looking at trading up to the 2020 now that it is readily available here and you have provided some useful real world data.
Thank you thank you thank you for your offhanded comment about people who think the car might be underpowered. Underpowered for what is the question nobody else has put out there. Thanks for that. And for not spending 3/4 of the video playing with all the buttons on the touch screen.
I have achieved 3.1 liter on motorway and 4.1 in city in summer with 2 adults in a car plus wheelchair.
In winter extra 1.1 liter. I made over 28000 km with my Ioniq hybrid and I like it.
I disagree with it looking like a Prius. Looks much better to me. I believe the hybrid plug in is the best option.
Fair enough!
Picking up a Hybrid Premium SE in the Summer (that's if we still have cars and are not back riding horses and hunting rabbits lol). I'd love to have gone full electric but not practical as I have nowhere to plugin at my home (apartment) so needed to compromise. I think Hyundai are getting the best 'bang for buck' across their Ioniq range with the 2020 models. I also hate the lack of buttons on the controls for media and aircon but I can live with that to have a nice, fun and economical car that is relatively future proof.
Really good review and first time I've seen one doing the comparison - definitely subscribing as really like your style of reviews :)
I thing Ioniq plug in is the best car you can have it has range up to 1200km and you really have best of both worlds there please caan you review the Ioniq plug in?
Thanks for this video. Definitely the best of it's type I've seen.
Great review.
Liked the review. Think would have been good if reviews could have been done in both cars. Mergeing the reviews together
Great video thanks we have 2019 hybrid and love it does not like cold it simes but got 73 mpg uk other day 150 mile mixed driving and had upto 92 mpg in summer on 50 mile trip to the beach last summer think the difference between 2020 and 2017 hybrid is that in 2017 had 15 inch tires now in 2020 it has 17 inches tires about 10-15% more fuel used owners say.
always a picture of joy, the Polish fog
I'm having a hard time understanding how the hybrid did only 39mpg. We just got a 2022 in the US (blue trim, which boasts a slightly higher mpg rating) and my wife is getting an average of 58mpg on her 45 mile mostly highway commute. In much more congested driving (30-45 mph) around 30 miles each way I hit a stellar 69.2mpg for that trip.
We've driven in rain or
Light snow and it's been 20-30° f (-6- -1° c) and haven't ever averaged as low as you're getting. My 17 year old Prius that we recently retired was still hitting 45mpg in these conditions...
That’s because people forget you can’t drive like a crazy person on these. It DOES make a difference to drive conservatively on any Hybrid. You could be talking about 15MPG difference between driving over the speed limit and driving AT the speed limit
I love my Ioniq❤️
The whole offset cost argument is only if you intend to purchase the car out right and keep it , if you lease or PCP the vehicle anyway then you can have huge running cost savings , ive leased a full ev ioniq for £240 per month , its tax exempt , im getting a 7kw charger installed for free from the government , and i have a low cost home energy plan costing around 7p per KWH at night
These vehicles can save you a fortune depending on where you live , eg where i live all public charging points and rapid chargers from the charge place Scotland scheme are free so you could potentially pay Nothing to run the car at all
I really enjoyed your car reviews so far Marek, and now I realize that if you had a radio show where you talk about whatever, that'd also be something to listen to. :D
Edit: thanks for the calculations, it's really useful!
I used to have a radio show, before I started doing UA-cam :)
very good video! As a matter of fact, your reviews, along with those of Bjorn Nyland are the only ones I watch on UA-cam.
In most countries with EV incentives, the price of the electric will be around €6k lower. And at least here in Germany, there are plenty of places where you can charge for free. And you'll never have to worry about inner-city low-emission tolls or barriers.
Unfortunately, Hyundai changed the battery chemistry of the second-gen Ioniq, so it doesn't really fast charge any more. It throttles when it's cold or hot. It doesn't have liquid cooling, in contrast to Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro, Peugeot/Opel, and Tesla. But it has a long guarantee, so so you don't have to worry about degredation, at least.
Thanks for the video
Honest as always. The best part is 9 years to cover difference in price hahaha. I hope that Suzuki Vitara Hybrid coming in videos ahead. Keep up the good work and all the best!
AFAIK it's a mild hybrid, like in the Baleno, and it does absolutely nothing.
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Thanks for the funny and informative test!
The partnership of you two is productive and heart warming and the sandwiches looked delicious! :)
I like the looks of the car, especially in blue but how is the alround visibility with that fastback shape?
Does the facelift hybrid still have that awful foot break? I could not really see that, onyl that the electric version has an electric parking break.
In Germany you get a significant financial incentive to buy the electric version, so the evening out would not take that long.
How about a comparative test between the Ioniq Hybrid and the Toyota Corolla 2,0? :D
Visibility is not great.
There is now an electronic parking brake.
I'll have to drive a Corolla again to refresh my memory. I'd say the Ioniq in general is the better car to drive every day, but Corolla is the better hybrid.
Thx. Great test drive.
i love how food gets connected with EV videos... Charge time = meal ;)
I get why you're saying that EVs don't make much sense in Poland. 9 years to recup the investment is a lot! However, it really depends on your market. Here in Québec (Canada), we have a 13 000$ incentive on EVs. An Ioniq EV is 32.5k while the comparable Hybrid is 31k (since it has no incentive). Add to that almost free hydro electricity (1-2$ per complete charge on the Ioniq) and it's a no-brainer. Having one of the two cars per family as an EV (or at least as a PHEV) is quite common in my area
And I envy you guys, because you have less emissions and noise pollution.
(I'm copying the following from another comment I made earlier):
In Poland we were supposed get up to 7k euro incentive (percentage of the EV's price), but only for EVs costing up to 29k euro. So really 4-5 models, mostly in base spec. The incentive was delayed many times, and finally the authorities realised that there would be a tax on the incentive, so they had to re-write the bill. Now there is talk of 4.5k euro incentive (probably tax free) on cars costing up to 29k euro, but nobody knows when it is going to be introduced.
Also, this incentive would be available only for private individuals, not even for sole entrepreneurs. No leasing, no long-term rent. Only cash or bank loan.
I loved your performance in the Netflix Series "Designated Survivor"!!
quality review and english, the specs of consumption is texted but it would be good also in km.. etc, regards from sweden
Super test
My Dacia Lodgy gives an average through it's life with all types of driving of 4.5 l/100km which conveniently works out at 62 MPG equals 690 miles, 3 times as far as an electric, but in actual fact when I drive from Spain to UK I get around 800 miles per tank full.
So pure electric cars can drive bus lane, thats great!
Plug in also can use bus lane in Canada
Ahhh I loved your review, thank you! Very funny guy!
Here in Germany we get a price reduction of about 10k buying electric cars. Considering the vast increase in charging stations (doubling from currently 25.000 to planned 50.000 by the end of 2021), there is no worry to find a charger nearby. With planned regulations to forbid gasoline cars by 2030 in most european countries, and taking care of the climate, EVs are my first choice. In fact I own an Ionic Electric Facelift and I‘m very satisfied with it. Batteries are on guarantee for 8 years, however it turns out they last much longer (I‘d expect 12 years). It‘s part of a way out to save us living, and with EV, you don‘t depend to get gasoline from where it is produced, but simply find electric energy is readily available almost everywhere w/o long distance transportation.
34 Fleet Vehicle Fuel Consumption Actual each vehicle (Litres / 100)
Australia - Summer/Autumn - Along the Eastern Seaboard States City and Country driven.
IONIQ Hybrid 3.60
IONIQ Hybrid 3.82
IONIQ Hybrid 4.23
IONIQ Hybrid 4.15
IONIQ Hybrid 4.04
IONIQ Hybrid 3.22
IONIQ Hybrid 4.64
IONIQ Hybrid 3.53
IONIQ Hybrid 4.00
IONIQ Hybrid 3.71
IONIQ Hybrid 4.14
IONIQ Hybrid 4.77
IONIQ Hybrid 4.96
IONIQ Hybrid 3.80
IONIQ Hybrid 3.80
IONIQ Hybrid 5.06
IONIQ Hybrid 4.30
IONIQ Hybrid 4.14
IONIQ Hybrid 3.12
IONIQ Hybrid 3.23
IONIQ Hybrid 5.77
IONIQ Hybrid 3.79
IONIQ Hybrid 3.95
IONIQ Hybrid 3.72
IONIQ Hybrid 3.34
IONIQ Hybrid 3.35
IONIQ Hybrid 5.19
IONIQ Hybrid 5.62
IONIQ Hybrid 3.94
IONIQ Hybrid 4.41
IONIQ Hybrid 3.98
IONIQ Hybrid 4.03
IONIQ Hybrid 3.96
IONIQ Hybrid 4.09
AVERAGE over 34 IONIQ Hybrids 4.1
How does the Hybride behave on bumps and holes and on other bad roads?Is it still comfortable?thanx
Thanks Marek for this, in România there are incentives for up to 10.000€ from the final purchase price. That would make sense to buy an electric instead of a hybrid, except that the charging stations are really rare and not as reliable(many go often in out of order). So, I don’t know in Poland but at least in Romania the only advantage I can find in buying an electric is to be a responsible person for the environment. Otherwise it gets no real value for money .
We were supposed get up to 7k euro incentive (percentage of the EV's price), but only for EVs costing up to 29k euro. So really 4-5 models, mostly in base spec. The incentive was delayed many times, and finally the authorities realised that there would be a tax on the incentive, so they had to re-write the bill. Now there is talk of 4.5k euro incentive (probably tax free) on cars costing up to 29k euro, but nobody knows when it is going to be introduced.
Also, this incentive would be available only for private individuals, not even for sole entrepreneurs. No leasing, no long-term rent. Only cash or bank loan.
Marek Drives I forgot to specify that this incentive is given under the following conditions: you have a pre-euro5 car; you sell that car and get that 10k voucher only after you prove that you sold it. So your old car becomes a ticket for getting this voucher. Oh and the amount of vouchers are limited on a year basis.
@@linuxgfx that's still relatively sensible.
@@MarekDrives The hybrid also benefits from some 2000 euro incentive, so in Romania we can buy the top of the range (currently the only version available for the facelift) for 22.5 k euro, which is not bad. The consumption figures you got on your test worry me, though. I currently have a Mk3 Ford Focus with the 1 liter engine and I get 6l/100km as an average for long distance (mainly out-of-city) driving and I can get bellow 5 if I really want to go economical (I managed 4.2 as my best result). Does it make sense now to buy this hybrid? Or maybe the plug-in hybrid? Decisions-decisions...Thanks for the review!
Hi, you mention it does not make sense to buy an electric in Poland. What about in a slightly cold area of Spain with temperatures that go from average 7° winter to 26°Summer? Thanks
I just bought the last 2019 Ioniq Hybrid (not plug-in or Electric) in BC Canada back in Nov/Dec and my BEST L/km is currently 3.1L/100km
Hi, I am likely to buy hybrid too here in southern Ontario. Are you still satisfied with this? For me its Elantra luxury vs ioniq hybrid essential (features vs hybrid).
@@sohaibqamar9586 I don't know if you're going to get this but yes I am absolutely still satisfied with my 2019 Ioniq, I fill up my tank and my range lately says about 956km sometimes 980km and I think the lowest I've gotten my L/100km is 2.0 I'm pretty sure I took a picture on my phone I'll have to dig it out and post it in a forum one day, the car is amazing, I also have the preferred edition so I don't know how much that will effect things but originally I was going to buy an essential but the only Ioniq we had left in BC was preferred so I went with that, I would recommend that if possible, slightly better trim/accessories package
@@EL_Aura thanks man. I had 2% hope that you would reply as it was 5 months ago. Thanks for replying in detail. Yeah I like preferred too as it has LED lights but it will cost around 3.5k extra :(
@@sohaibqamar9586 yeah it's not hugely worth it for a lot of people but for me specifically it was nice to get, I don't know if you heard but the Kona just set a record of 1000km on a single charge but I think it's 10k more in price
@@EL_Aura wow hyundai is getting crazy
No shopping bag hooks should be some kind of crime alongside no USB chargers in the back
How should we punish them Bob? Long-term prison sentence, labour camps or just firing squad? ;)
@@MarekDrives Let go the whole way and labour camps!
If you want, you'll find a way: back seats have strap-on hooks for some kind of child-seat - could be mounted by bag hooks. center armrest compartment contains power-only USB-A connector - simple extension cord/hub will do the trick. Also - my Ioniq PHEV 2017 has 12V battery in the back - thinking of mounting 12V outlet there :)
Thanks - very helpful. I am in sub-tropical, semi-urban part of Australia and looking at upgrading from my 2016 Hyundai i30 and keen to embrace hybrid (for the planet and for the wallet). It would be great to know whether the boot space rear storage will fit an aged care "wheelie walker" frame or a wheelchair
I'm afraid that's something you'd have check your yourself (or ask someone to verify for you by taking your wheelchair to a car dealer). I don't know if these come in standard sizes.
Ioniq EV and plug-in cost around the same in Ireland. €35,000 each.
So in your case it's down to taxes and/or your range needs?
In Thailand pre facelift Ioniq (28 kWh) cost around €47000 🤪😤 got no choice at all 🙁
For my driving needs and local climate nothing beats small turbo-petrol from economy point of view.
I have a 2019 hybrid(pre face lift) best I have had is 68 MPG (UK). Also I am not a slow driver, I use sport a lot.
Hope u fine please read all and reply please m in the uk bought 2017 plug in hybrid with only 3k miles like brand new and I filled full tank and I was charging every night for 20 nights or little more and I did just over 700 miles and did few motorway trips so then I have tank left about 125 miles or something I think not good becouse I heard ppl getting close to 70 plus in hybrid only mpg that's like 700 miles to full tank which cost about 45 sterling m a right so what's the point buying plug in no good hybrid only is lot better what the full tank rang u have when u fill up and mostly how many ruffly miles do you do to full tank in hybrid please tell me weather motorway or local ?
@@princesssafoorahsworld6240 I've just bought 2017 PHEV with 11 000 km. In March with around 4-7°C, when daily commuting to work, using EV-only (without AC, which starts up engine, so just seat+steering wheel heater) I achieved avg 14kWh/100km [4,4mpkWh]. On round trip 900km in hybrid mode I've had 4,7 and 5,3L/100km [50 and 45mpg], 15°C, AC on, strong head wind on way back, total drive time 11h: avg speed 82km/h [51mph], highway GPS speed 130 km/h [81mph]. Based on my total average my monthly consumption reached 2,4l/100km [98mpg]. As of first month in use - I am pretty satisfied.
With expected 24 000 km/year I've estimated yearly savings of 1300€ as oposed to bus for commute and ride-share as passenger instead of driver for monthly round trips (car insurance cost included)
electric is smooth like cvt, and quite, in some cities parking is also free for electric cars. ironically the prius is so loud at speed that engine work not noticeable at all, and engine stops when the car stops, complete illusion of an electric car.
but main argument would be inconvenience of waiting near charging point, unless you have private house.
so main point - electric car has to be charged where is parked for long time for your needs not the car's ;)
My next car is to be the Ioniq Hybrid Premium SE. I will all things being equal keep it for 3 years. If I am happy with it & it remains available to me I may well replace my old one with one of updated spec. But only time will tell?
A couple of comments: in hybrid cars, the more you have to heat the cabin, the more the engine stays on to produce heat thus higher fuel consumption. In electric cars regenerative braking doesn't give you extra range but recover some of the range lost during acceleration or going uphill. The most efficient is to coast with zero regen
Same here in the Netherlands. The hybrid is €27K while the electric is €37K. You are not going to win that back any time soon just saving on cheaper electricity or maintenance. You are currently exempt from paying ownership taxes, but that will end in I think 2 or 3 years from now.
There is however a big tax incentive for electric business cars, so they are mainly sold as business cars.
In Poland 70 percent of new cars are for business. There is no reliable data to determine how many cars are bought by sole proprietorships rather than fleet buyers, but let's just say my MX-5 is a company car as well :)
I see the just announced i20 has wireless CarPlay and AA. Is that the first in a Hyundai or Kia ?
AFAIK yes.
can you do one with the peugeot e208? real world range is still blurry on that one
I wish. We still don't have it on the press fleet in Poland.
Renault Zoe 40 kWh, using for work and personal stuff between Hungary, and Romania, 26.000 km in 6 months. I save pretty much, though I can charge slow, 22 kW only, it lengthens the 770 km trip with 7 hours, but I have time :) My parents have ioniq plugin hybrid, average consumption 2,7-3,5 l / 100 km, when we are not charging, just driving further, 4.5 l/100 km
Why don't they put a windshield wiper on the back?🤔😧
my mom got a brand new kia niro which uses the same powertrain as the regular hybrid ioniq. she averages just about 50 mpg (US). and it shows 523 miles-ish on a full tank.
and that's on a bigger car. idk how he drives for him to get worse gas mileage in a smaller car than the niro.
Chances are the roads, traffic and driving style in the US are very different from what we get in Europe.
The bg music makes it a bit hard to understand everything
I m a taxi driver and i achieve 60 mpg on average. 47 is low.
Ioniq Hybrid?
My 2017 ioniqe 5lt \ 100km. Is that normal. Ir need to fix, wha6 should i do? Need help.thanks to whome concerned
I would get the old 28kwh ioniq for second hand cheaper 😀
Two very impressive cars but the pure EV is still too expensive despite its lower running costs compared with the self-charging hybrid. I would avoid any plug-in hybrid as they usually have the worst of both worlds.
Valentines date in the Viet-Nam Orc dungeons of Mordor ... i will come with you mister Frod...ahhmmm..Marek!! Whatever it takes, i will carry you trough the traffic jam!
in my city 300,000 pop. around me only one charger 3 kW ChaDeMo and ACtype1 plugs, abt 0.30 Euro Cents/kWh (triple as home). Gasoline and diesel abt 1 Euro.
Thus in between hybrid and electric IONIQ I choose manual 1.7 diesel KIA Sportage (24k USD incl taxes, fuel cons abt 6.5-7.5 city/ 5.5-6.0 roads).
IONIC hybrid would be welcomed as a gift only...
Right. So you guys are where we were about 8 years ago in terms of EV infrastructure. Although assuming Ukraine is all about long distances between cities, EVs may not be right for you anyway.
That seems low mileage, it should have been minimum 220 miles for the price.
Do They Come As 4WD Or(/) A AWD?
FWD
The Ionic EV is ment to be one of the most efficient EV's currently out there.
is 15.4Kw/h good ? I have no idea
shame that here in the UK there is a 12 month waiting time to get one
Bearing in mind most of the time the temperature was close to freezing, it's pretty good. On a warmer day in the city I got it down to about 13 kWh (13.8 is the official number).
For reference in early autumn I was getting close to 30 kWh in the EQC. A much heavier car, but AFAIR Mercedes promises it should use something like 22 kWh/100 km.
It is more like 4-5 months.
Andy Midd so delivery times have improved. Still lacking but better than before
If u wanted to lease rather than buy, then u have about 4week wait.
Scott nope. I ordered a lease Electric Ioniq early January, I have a mid-May date.
You're driving according to Google Navigation Directions? You're lucky you didn't end up in Bern, Switzerland.
Terrible decision for touch client control, cant work with gloves or without looking .
Electric doesn't make sense in Australia either !
My Hyunday Tucson diesel needs 5 to 6 l/100 km...
My Hyundai I30N needs between 10 and 14L/100km...= 22mpg
Definitively can be obtained better then 5.1 l/100 km, my 2019 Mazda 3 can outside easily achieve 4.5😃
I was quite surprised too, because in the pre-facelift model I achieved 4,5 (barely, but still) in similar weather conditions.
The other day I was driving the refreshed C-HR. 4.3 on a warm day, 5.3 on a cold day.
Why is the fuel economy so poor on the hybrid? I have a Kia Niro, which uses the same power-train, and I often get ~3.8L/100km. But the Niro is a higher car and shouldn't be quite as good as the Ioniq.
Please read through comments. I believe one of the owners claims fuel economy deteriorated after the facelift.
Burnout markings!
Yeah man, it's the secret spot, where EV and hybrid owners come to hoon!
Hybrid
I like the Ioniq Hybrid more, but in Hybrid´s are Toyota is the champion. My C-HR has annual average 4,9 L. Electric cars make economically and ecologically no sense.
I'm 6" 2 is this car too small
My Superb diesel has the same fuel consumption as the Ioniq hybrid. So much effort for zero results.
If you do lots of local driving, like most people, 62km without turning the engine on is not "zero results".
@@Jeff-hs1gv with the capacity of that battery, the engine will run 95% of the time.
Much worse NOx output though...
@@amiddled give me the figures please
@@papavictorromeo5079 they are .... superp
So basically just get a Prius
I'd suggest an MX-5, but if you actually need to transport people, and be kind(er) to the environment the Prius may be a better choice :)
1,15 euro per liter? thats cheap
Yes and no. The average salary in Poland is about 870 euro, so 1.15 euro for Kowalski is much more than 1.37 euro for Schmidt.
Great review.