@ I’m no fan of Israel, but as Nathaniel alluded to painting Iran as almost virtuous and having never invaded anyone is a stretch. Enjoyed the back and forth.
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@@MichaelRimmer-qx8jp Iran have not been an aggressor for a very very long time. Maybe it’s just me and I’m weird but I tend to be more concerned about what’s happening now and recently. I’m concerned about the guy who’s robbing banks today and not the dude who used to rob banks years ago. I think Nathaniel’s point about Iran is rather moot. We have an aggressor in our midst today and in front of us. I also said that, between the two, Iran was the lesser aggressive. That doesn’t mean they’re not at all. That means that between the two, they are the lesser. Nathaniel stretching that to me painting them as some sort of “dove” was the actual stretch. No such thing was said or even implied. And I’m glad I called him out on that overt distortion of my words.
@Iran launched the largest air assault ever in the history of the world. Yeah, not aggressive at all. 🤔
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@@Superdada Response to their embassy being blown up. Also, 72 hours of warning so takedown was easy so mostly symbolic. Also.... you're a useless mutt.
Oisin, Thank you and Tim for providing us watch enthusiasts for unbias watch insights. We realize how tough it is. Also, one reason hate channels go after small online sub number channels and not big ones is because they are afraid of the sheer number of subs on these bigger channels that would retaliate against them. Keep up the good work.
I love listening to Nathaniel, he knows what he’s talking about and from my neck of the woods in Indiana… He went to Notre Dame… Probably one of the highest paid tutors in the world…! P. S. Oisin is no match for Nathaniel, no offense intended ….
Very good friend of mine from University here in London is from Tehran capital city in Iran. Things are just not good over there. My friend is a great guy and he told me he doesn't like to live in Iran. He loves his country and is very proud, but politely he told me a few horrific stories of what's going on inside the country ... My humble opinion is religion is a weapon of massive destruction. Sorry if I offended or hurt someone in the comments. It is just my opinion. I believe in science and scientific evidence. J.
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I know many from the UK who will tell you that their country is going down the toilet and that things just aren’t good there right now. And many in the states who will tell you that San Francisco is a hell hole and New York is to be avoided. Should I be listening?
The whole world is having it chains tightened by the cabal this is a attack on the world we believe in boarders but the people who rule the world do not have boarders and there tearing this world down on purpose, middle we class is being wiped out world wide. Then beast system will be up and running….
The key for Tim.. is to take 'power back' something Oisin suggested several times.. but it fell on deaf ears.. in part the message blurred by those who sought to talk down to Tim and dictate the narrative.. what he could and could not say.. who he should have on and not. It was although Oisin had said nothing.. and here again he explains why Tim has the issues he has. It affects the other viewers..when countless you Tube channels and a self appointed group seek to dictate everything.. pull it up Timmy. Black balling is no joke.... where disloyal bullies try to instil fear in workers or others.. with the threat of firing them or undermining their livelihoods. It is a pretty bass form of bullying.. very common The cartel are exemplars of this.. where you are given veiled threats.. and made subservient. A lot of those who deserted Tim are lovely people who simply were loyal to everyone.. but others did it to make a point. borne out of their inability to 'train' Tim. The constant sarcasm.. disrespect... pushing of their preferred narrative is neither your ass nor your elbow. Tim needed to Wrest back control for the twenty or so bottom feeders... who thought that it was okay to undermine his channel.. make him hurt... pay.. for his crimes. Tim is an easy target... for those who wanted to belittle him.. constantly, trying to be the cleverest in the room. Again it is for Tim to take control.. and not to create fertile ground for these bullies to disrespect him and treat him like the butt of jokes.
Sorry just watched you further and heard your neo-nazi comment. Nathaniel did not at all come across as a patriot but in my humble opinion, a balanced commentator. Maybe comparing having him on to a neo-nazi in order to get a juxtaposition was a step too far?
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Actually the neo-nazis here align a lot more with Nathaniel’s outlook than they do with mine. They are pro Israel and extremely pro America.
To quote Daniel Patrick Moynihan, you are entitles to your own opinion not your own facts. Nathaniel cites the decline in GDP post Shah to your opinion that Iran is far from prosperous. When you cite competing intellectuals having different points of view, yes, but they would have facts on which to base their scholarship.
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Oh i think people have their own facts all the time. Either invented or cherry-picked to facilitate a narrative. Every day.
@ people do not own facts. I don't own that the derivative of a constant is zero. It's a basic fact of calculus. In your discussion, Nathanial had facts to substantiate his points. That doesn't mean his view is correct. He did not cherry pick facts, but as I recall when on, I think it was war crimes on which he was speaking, you tossed out The Congress of Vienna, outside of the fact that it was meant to show you were aware if it, I can't recall how it was a substantive fact, i.e. a fact in the present to counter his fact based point. In the comment section, my point is not to enter into a discussion on if the sun will rise tomorrow. I will then cut to the chase. Dang it, you're right.
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@@eddruckman7960actually Nathaniel’s “facts” were quite off. More Iranian missiles hit their targets than he knew during this conversation. So again…. Facts are often invented or cherry picked.
I love how Nathaniel speaks the truth to Oisin's Iran apologist anti Israeli mojo... Sorry Oisin, love your content, documentary/music making/vibe and watch attitudes -but I've never met an Irish (man) who didn't have a hard on for Castro/PLO/etc etc.... Dude you just accused Nathan for stretching what you said but 2 minutes before you called Israel "a bulldog". What country that's a bulldog texts the people they're bombing beforehand to let them escape? The IDF and the Israeli civilian population are made up of over 20% Arab/Palestinian Muslim... it's a democracy (albeit flawed like all)... How many Jews are in Palestine now, or in Hamas, or for that matter anywhere in the ME? Dude, the Irish (nationals) are always so hateful of the British colonialism it makes them blind to a lesser of two evils. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc etc are aligned with literally stating in their charters the 100% destruction of Israel and the US, and pretty much most of the West.
So cpd7625 what does a military achieve by announcing that they will bomb a place in advance? I assume you think innocent civilians will leave but Hamas will stay there?
Shame on you for trying to act as if Israel somehow deserves credit, they have slaughtered 34 000 people at a minimum, in a few months, this is not counting 1000s lost under the rubble, the vast majority of them are civilians. They are in the same club as the Nazis. Israel is a fascist, ethnosupremacist occupying power, and the Palestinians are the dispossessed and oppressed party, they have a moral and legal right to violent resistance against Israel, as does Iran which has been a repeat victim of Israel over the years.
@@Yllobre1969 The question is unfortunately moot, as it's far more than Hamas and the Gaza's who attacked Israel on Oct 7th did, during a long ceasefire mind you, and 19 yrs since Israel completely vacated Gaza. Those "innocent civilians" are also indoctrinated into a death cult myth (as are most Palestinians) to believe in martyrs as a tool, so whether Hamas stays or not is inconsequential. Sadly another group (that has ulterior motives from beyond the borders) will always replace it.
You mustn't have met many Irish people 🤔 We empathise with the civilians in gaza and the west bank, both because of the brutality and heavy handedness of the state of Israels response to October 7th and to the illegal plantations in the west bank. We point out that the war is being funded by US aid, and fought with weapons supplied by the US (delivered via Irish airports), the UK (who are responsible for this mess anyway with their actions during and after ww1) and Germany. None of us (well, most of us) aren't simple - we see how hamas has taken over gaza and what they did on October 7th. We know Iran funds them. A LOT of people in Ireland work for US corporations, the survival of 'the west' is in our interest in many ways. Who the fuck would want to live in a theocracy, an autocratic or communist state. We see innocent people having the living shit being bombed out of their homes and we point it out, because we understand what it's like to have our lands settled, had acts of genocide when our ancestors resisted and a famine that didn't need to happen allowed to happen.
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@@spacelord1913don’t be shocked by this guy’s words. There’s no shortage of brutal, blood hungry Zionists in my audience. He’s just excited cos I had someone with a very pro-America / pro-Israel / pro-west outlook on my show. Let him have his moment.
@@platinum_knowledge Before FDR's New Deal is what that slogan is referring to. It was originally used by antiwar activists during the 1930s and 40s who were angry about the catastrophic WW1 and how it bankrupted even the victors.
Great analysis from Nathaniel. Quality guest. Brilliant mind.
Love seeing Nathaniel on , he’s so well informed. Thanks for having this chat Oisin, Always good to be able to hear both sides of the story.
Nathaniel is a very smart guy, very much on the money. 🇬🇧
Nice to have a balanced debate, not just an exclusively anti-Israel discussion as with most of the previous guests.
I think you mean anti-apartheid, anti-genocide and anti-fascist.
@ I’m no fan of Israel, but as Nathaniel alluded to painting Iran as almost virtuous and having never invaded anyone is a stretch. Enjoyed the back and forth.
@@MichaelRimmer-qx8jp Iran have not been an aggressor for a very very long time. Maybe it’s just me and I’m weird but I tend to be more concerned about what’s happening now and recently.
I’m concerned about the guy who’s robbing banks today and not the dude who used to rob banks years ago.
I think Nathaniel’s point about Iran is rather moot. We have an aggressor in our midst today and in front of us.
I also said that, between the two, Iran was the lesser aggressive. That doesn’t mean they’re not at all. That means that between the two, they are the lesser.
Nathaniel stretching that to me painting them as some sort of “dove” was the actual stretch.
No such thing was said or even implied.
And I’m glad I called him out on that overt distortion of my words.
@Iran launched the largest air assault ever in the history of the world. Yeah, not aggressive at all. 🤔
@@Superdada Response to their embassy being blown up. Also, 72 hours of warning so takedown was easy so mostly symbolic. Also.... you're a useless mutt.
Nathaniel is an awesome guy! He’s a Notre Dame grad too!
Ooo pure lefty.
Well done for leaving this up and having Nathaniel on. Was good seeing a divergent opinion (which is why we all watch of course).
Thank you for the show. SUPER Guest! That Gold Speedy looks so incredibly great on N.
Thanks for the Friday video cheers Oisin
Really refreshing to get a debate witout everyone's panties getting in a bunch. Cheers
What happened with OC & panelist? Where have they disappeared to? Missed the drama unfortunately!!
Great discussion between two very clever guys ❤
Oisin,
Thank you and Tim for providing us watch enthusiasts for unbias watch insights. We realize how tough it is. Also, one reason hate channels go after small online sub number channels and not big ones is because they are afraid of the sheer number of subs on these bigger channels that would retaliate against them. Keep up the good work.
I love listening to Nathaniel, he knows what he’s talking about and from my neck of the woods in Indiana… He went to Notre Dame… Probably one of the highest paid tutors in the world…! P. S. Oisin is no match for Nathaniel, no offense intended ….
Did you bump into Paul Thorpe at watches and wonders ?
Very good friend of mine from University here in London is from Tehran capital city in Iran. Things are just not good over there. My friend is a great guy and he told me he doesn't like to live in Iran. He loves his country and is very proud, but politely he told me a few horrific stories of what's going on inside the country ...
My humble opinion is religion is a weapon of massive destruction.
Sorry if I offended or hurt someone in the comments.
It is just my opinion.
I believe in science and scientific evidence.
J.
I know many from the UK who will tell you that their country is going down the toilet and that things just aren’t good there right now. And many in the states who will tell you that San Francisco is a hell hole and New York is to be avoided.
Should I be listening?
The whole world is having it chains tightened by the cabal this is a attack on the world we believe in boarders but the people who rule the world do not have boarders and there tearing this world down on purpose, middle we class is being wiped out world wide.
Then beast system will be up and running….
Favorite two hobbies. Politics and watch collecting. Seeking out different viewpoints and opinions are always beneficial, also entertaining.
The key for Tim.. is to take 'power back' something Oisin suggested several times.. but it fell on deaf ears.. in part the message blurred by those who sought to talk down to Tim and dictate the narrative.. what he could and could not say.. who he should have on and not. It was although Oisin had said nothing.. and here again he explains why Tim has the issues he has. It affects the other viewers..when countless you Tube channels and a self appointed group seek to dictate everything.. pull it up Timmy. Black balling is no joke.... where disloyal bullies try to instil fear in workers or others.. with the threat of firing them or undermining their livelihoods. It is a pretty bass form of bullying.. very common The cartel are exemplars of this.. where you are given veiled threats.. and made subservient. A lot of those who deserted Tim are lovely people who simply were loyal to everyone.. but others did it to make a point. borne out of their inability to 'train' Tim. The constant sarcasm.. disrespect... pushing of their preferred narrative is neither your ass nor your elbow. Tim needed to Wrest back control for the twenty or so bottom feeders... who thought that it was okay to undermine his channel.. make him hurt... pay.. for his crimes. Tim is an easy target... for those who wanted to belittle him.. constantly, trying to be the cleverest in the room. Again it is for Tim to take control.. and not to create fertile ground for these bullies to disrespect him and treat him like the butt of jokes.
Iran is not a threat and yet, Israel is obsessed with it… doesn’t add up 😊
Oh I completely agree. But I think the main threat is that they could develop the bomb. And frankly, until they do, they’re not safe.
I wanna know what is your opinion about rolex sprite jubilee,thanks🥂
Bottom feeders perfect phrase....eventually they eat each other.. Trust nobody.. but do be loyal
Sorry just watched you further and heard your neo-nazi comment. Nathaniel did not at all come across as a patriot but in my humble opinion, a balanced commentator. Maybe comparing having him on to a neo-nazi in order to get a juxtaposition was a step too far?
Actually the neo-nazis here align a lot more with Nathaniel’s outlook than they do with mine. They are pro Israel and extremely pro America.
Nathaniel is brilliant
And this is why he was on the show. 😎
To quote Daniel Patrick Moynihan, you are entitles to your own opinion not your own facts. Nathaniel cites the decline in GDP post Shah to your opinion that Iran is far from prosperous. When you cite competing intellectuals having different points of view, yes, but they would have facts on which to base their scholarship.
Oh i think people have their own facts all the time. Either invented or cherry-picked to facilitate a narrative. Every day.
@ people do not own facts. I don't own that the derivative of a constant is zero. It's a basic fact of calculus. In your discussion, Nathanial had facts to substantiate his points. That doesn't mean his view is correct. He did not cherry pick facts, but as I recall when on, I think it was war crimes on which he was speaking, you tossed out The Congress of Vienna, outside of the fact that it was meant to show you were aware if it, I can't recall how it was a substantive fact, i.e. a fact in the present to counter his fact based point. In the comment section, my point is not to enter into a discussion on if the sun will rise tomorrow. I will then cut to the chase. Dang it, you're right.
@@eddruckman7960actually Nathaniel’s “facts” were quite off. More Iranian missiles hit their targets than he knew during this conversation. So again…. Facts are often invented or cherry picked.
Cheers from
Arizona, USA
Listening to Nathaniel is like being in Ben Stein’s class in “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”.
It's never a good look to use profanity when debating a true intellectual.
I agree, it diminishes the conversation...
I actually agree. The show is very laid back. Like guys at a bar but in this instance, profanity doesn’t fit well.
I don’t like how he holds hid glass of wine lass
Please warn us the next time you have a CIA guest.
I don’t know anyone in the CIA
Hahaa...that guest definitely gives CIA souless vibe
@@wqsnsr8which guy?
@ Nathaniel
@@wqsnsr8 he has a slow and methodical way of articulating his points. This comes from his years as an educator.
I love how Nathaniel speaks the truth to Oisin's Iran apologist anti Israeli mojo... Sorry Oisin, love your content, documentary/music making/vibe and watch attitudes -but I've never met an Irish (man) who didn't have a hard on for Castro/PLO/etc etc.... Dude you just accused Nathan for stretching what you said but 2 minutes before you called Israel "a bulldog". What country that's a bulldog texts the people they're bombing beforehand to let them escape? The IDF and the Israeli civilian population are made up of over 20% Arab/Palestinian Muslim... it's a democracy (albeit flawed like all)... How many Jews are in Palestine now, or in Hamas, or for that matter anywhere in the ME? Dude, the Irish (nationals) are always so hateful of the British colonialism it makes them blind to a lesser of two evils. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc etc are aligned with literally stating in their charters the 100% destruction of Israel and the US, and pretty much most of the West.
So cpd7625 what does a military achieve by announcing that they will bomb a place in advance? I assume you think innocent civilians will leave but Hamas will stay there?
Shame on you for trying to act as if Israel somehow deserves credit, they have slaughtered 34 000 people at a minimum, in a few months, this is not counting 1000s lost under the rubble, the vast majority of them are civilians. They are in the same club as the Nazis. Israel is a fascist, ethnosupremacist occupying power, and the Palestinians are the dispossessed and oppressed party, they have a moral and legal right to violent resistance against Israel, as does Iran which has been a repeat victim of Israel over the years.
@@Yllobre1969 The question is unfortunately moot, as it's far more than Hamas and the Gaza's who attacked Israel on Oct 7th did, during a long ceasefire mind you, and 19 yrs since Israel completely vacated Gaza. Those "innocent civilians" are also indoctrinated into a death cult myth (as are most Palestinians) to believe in martyrs as a tool, so whether Hamas stays or not is inconsequential. Sadly another group (that has ulterior motives from beyond the borders) will always replace it.
You mustn't have met many Irish people 🤔 We empathise with the civilians in gaza and the west bank, both because of the brutality and heavy handedness of the state of Israels response to October 7th and to the illegal plantations in the west bank. We point out that the war is being funded by US aid, and fought with weapons supplied by the US (delivered via Irish airports), the UK (who are responsible for this mess anyway with their actions during and after ww1) and Germany.
None of us (well, most of us) aren't simple - we see how hamas has taken over gaza and what they did on October 7th. We know Iran funds them. A LOT of people in Ireland work for US corporations, the survival of 'the west' is in our interest in many ways. Who the fuck would want to live in a theocracy, an autocratic or communist state.
We see innocent people having the living shit being bombed out of their homes and we point it out, because we understand what it's like to have our lands settled, had acts of genocide when our ancestors resisted and a famine that didn't need to happen allowed to happen.
@@spacelord1913don’t be shocked by this guy’s words. There’s no shortage of brutal, blood hungry Zionists in my audience. He’s just excited cos I had someone with a very pro-America / pro-Israel / pro-west outlook on my show. Let him have his moment.
Make America Great Again
Just for clarification, when was America great?
@@platinum_knowledge Before Obama.
@@platinum_knowledge Before FDR's New Deal is what that slogan is referring to. It was originally used by antiwar activists during the 1930s and 40s who were angry about the catastrophic WW1 and how it bankrupted even the victors.
@@danielk09 and now it's a slogan used by people upset at a Black president winning office without a majority of White votes. Noted.
Not possible... the damage done by the so-called patriots.. mainly bigots has led to a divide. God should rub the US out and start again.