Shellenberger Explains Government Censorship of Social Media
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2024
- The Michael Shermer Show # 397
Michael Shellenberger explains the role of government agencies in social media censorship, his work on the Twitter files, and the differences between independent and mainstream journalism.
PLUS: how to deal with the opioid epidemic, what we can do about homelessness, his take on January 6, George Floyd, UFOs and UAPs, and more.
Recorded live in Santa Barbara, CA at the Skeptics Society 2023 conference.
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A very illuminating interview that challenges some of my views. Mr. Shellenberger's explanation of what is free speech is magnificent.
Yes, the Democrats and deep state are not the good guys anymore.
Yes, I agree. Abit rough on Trump but otherwise very good
Yes, I agree. Abit rough on Trump but otherwise very good
Yes, I agree. Abit rough on Trump but otherwise very good
Yes, I agree. Abit rough on Trump but otherwise very good
I knew we were giving away our freedoms way too easily during COVID.
With ya on that one, bro!
WRONG! That came after 9/11: Patriot Act. George W Simeon Bush.
There is no WE, speak for yourself.
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They didn't give them away, they took them. I cant beleive how easy it was for the sheep to lay down and let the government tread all over them. This is not the country or the people I thought it was. I'm deeply saddened.
Anybody else sick of the censorship in UA-cam comments?
Yes of course, but remember that every channel is enabled to censor to their heart's delight.
So every comment you see has passed through two gatekeepers.
@@dixonpinfold2582
They're so democrat ..
..the utube po po s👮♀️
@@dixonpinfold2582 Channels very rarely remove comments. Proof is sort comments by newest and they reappear, when a channel removes them, they're gone.
@@dixonpinfold2582 Copy?
@@fredgarvinMP That doesn't prove anything. Think about it long enough and the logical reason may occur to you.
Defend free speech while you still can. Great guest and host.
Thank God that somebody sees what is truly going on here. Satan is trying to pit the good people from the evil people. This election is the battle of everything from good to evil and Donald Trump is the only man that is willing and by the way who was appointed by God to be president again. Why in the heck would a man who had so much privilege and had money and had a wonderful life would want to stand up to this corrupt system and try to make America great again? Everyone needs to listen on UA-cam to Amanda grace before she is taken down again
I said it once, twice, and ill say it again, Michael Shellenberger is one of those most amazingly passionate reporters who has ever existed. One of the few with true conviction
Anyone just needs to read San Fransicko to understand the deapth of his commitment
This is my first time listening to one of the last remaining true 1st Amendment journalists.
All the others have yellow streaks down their backs.
See Mike Benz.
@@fredgarvinMPBenz is a truth teller for sure. These folks (Shellenberger, Taibi, Weiss, Benz) are the new journalism. Independent and not owned by MSM.
@@geebeeinga I'm with you except for Weiss.
It was a privilege to listen to your guest speak
Shellenberger is amazing--I saw an interview with him on climate change and it was the most reasonable, logical conversation I've ever heard about that issue.
He is so hostile to renewable energy. It's not useful for nuclear advocates to demonize renewables, or vice versa
One of the more interesting climate comments I heard was, "the banks do not believe the climate hoax. Banks still give 40 years mortgages in big cities along the coast." even Obama bought costal property.
@@sulljoh1 renewable energy has battery issues right now. The issue is the power grab by the green to replace fossil fuel with green for control of the power grid for profit. I think small nukes be the way to go. There is a saying: human nature is constant. Someone will be maliciously trying to destroy what ever system is used. It's obvious that education, politicals and big biz are colluding to change the situation we currently enjoy. Think 1950s General Motors, Standard Oil, Firestone Tire & Rubber, Phillips Petroleum and Mack Truck Manufacturing Co formed a company, bought the trolleys in Los Angeles, tore them out and sold the city buses. We are in the situation on a grander scale right now.
@@sulljoh1But you believe it's okay to demonize fossil fuels that affect people's livelihood, home heating, food production, etc.?
@@warrenp8877 Fossil fuels are fool's gold. They only seem like a nice, cheap way to provide livelihood, heating, food, etc in the short term when you ignore long term consequences
Michael Schellenberger thank you for all that you have brought to light. I have so much love and admiration and respect for you. You are one of my go to when I need to hear the voice of reason and what is actually going on from an honest point of view.
Anyone who has a head on their shoulders is able to work out that "hatred" is a description of an emotion. Obviously you CANNOT make expressing an emotion an illegal act.
This is both censorship of public sentiment and grooming of public opinion.
It's the very definition of a psyop.
Hate crime laws are the precursor to thought crime laws most assuredly.
Great comment, and an important perspective. Thanks.
But its nothing new - they've always done it
The commies hid my previous comment.
@@paulatreides4274🤯
Freedom of Speech may mean a little discomfort for those who need to hear it the most! Humanity and Censorship cannot co-exist! Except in the minds of the lowest among us!
Yes & paradoxically, they think they are better than us!
🎉🎉Thank you very much, Michael Shermer for your fascinating and revealing discussion with Michael Shellenberger.
Amazing podcasts for listening to and learning about what a series of tangled webs have been constructed and the impacts on free speech.😊🎉❤
Controlling anyone always backfires.
Often only after generations, or centuries of mass slaughter and repression. USSR, Cuba, CCP, N. Korea....on and on.
Let's hope so this time
God CREATED us with a FREE WILL. No one has the RIGHT to OVERRIDE God.
Always
@@MizJaniceResinArt Propaganda works tho, Biden wouldn't have won if the entire story was known by the public.
Thank you for including Canada. Good conversation.
what's going on up there? I heard Quebec outlawed wood burning stoves for air quality?
Censorship described here is not coming from "paternalism", it's people with one ideology (who happen to be in charge) protecting their power.
Just imagine the table being turned, say, a more conservative government throttling the speech of left leaning people, would that be acceptable?
Also - whole platforms (Parler) were removed by big tech (in Parler's case, Amazon Web Services) depriving those who were looking for an alternative to Twitter of a platform suitable to their needs.
Yes, but it’s couched in paternalism because that’s more palatable, seemingly, than authoritarianism. It’s why, imho, democrats refuse to acknowledge their own authoritarian tendencies.
I dislike that youtube slaps videos with links to the subject it thinks the video is about - its not an asked for feature by anyone and seems very intrusive.
Because human caused climate change is real.
@@wadenovin2479🐑
dot dot dot😉
Well, of course 😉🙊
Michael Schellenberger must be silenced because he doesn't support the narrative!
really great work shermer, and it was wonderful to see the interaction of two individuals who have influenced me so much.
The voice of reason!
Debate is healthy, its when debates dont or cant happen is when it becomes unhealthy imo
Shellenberger is a hero.
But he's not an oracle of truth. He holds a number of views that are pretty benighted. I suspect he holds these views for the sake of projecting an air of confidence.
@@AndyJarman no individual is an oracle of truth but some are better than others.
He has the voice and style of speaking as if glen Greenwald and John Malkovich had a child. Love this guy
That was such a damn good impression of Matt.
Hotez turned down the money to debate RFK, Jr. because he knew he couldn't win the debate.😅
There's nothing to debate, vaccines save lives, period. Why debate a guy that will never change his mind or cannot accept being wrong.
much better than normal format
46:36 - THIS!!! One of the most important reasons for free speech is that you want bad ideas spoken so you can challenge them.
where do we stand on the recent committee in the states with the leadership of social media companies. its seems like a PR campaign for state intervention into civil society information flow
Absolutely amazing interview.
excellent interview! You can tell that Shellenberger does his research well, merely by the fact that he doesn't "tow the line" of any particular political ideology on every topic he discusses. His views fall wherever the evidence takes him. I respect that.
It's one of those things... as education becomes accessible to more and more people, dumber and dumber people join the conversation, and dumb people who lack confidence in themselves and others, complain and seek to censor, rather than respond with powerful arguments (because they can't make them).
It may work just the opposite. More time in school the dumber those get. Education became total indoctrination. Yrs ago, 1st grade was 1st. Then kindergarten was the start. Now pre-k. Getting control earlier & earlier. Can't let them learn to utilize their imaginations. Makes it hard to change them.
FBI and CIA should be in prison
Like that Wikipedia is used as a source about climate change for a talk about censorship on this video haha. Just shows how captured Wikipedia is
I don't understand this comment. How is a climate change source even related to censorship, and why would that be funny? And how does that make Wikipedia captured? And what do you mean by captured?
It has dark money. How do you know who funds it? @@michaeljames8410
@@michaeljames8410Wikipedia is propaganda.
Marrion Webster is my source to define. Circa 1981.
Excellent video ty God Bless 🙏
Freedom is messy but better than having my mind cleaned by experts. NGOs need to stop getting our tax money.
Thank you .please expose these traitors
Reading BETWEEN the lines is a SKILL. but more of a gift. Not everyone has the gift of decrement. In Galatians, there are several others to embrace.
51:43 This discussion about the various political types is so needed.
I personally see “climate science” as a problem. If government really believed it they would work for survival. We once upgraded drainage and water systems as areas of homes and businesses developed but today we spout nonsense and do nothing to alleviate basic problems. Climate always changes back and forth over millions of years. It has stopped people from living their best lives because of their anxiety over it. It’s 95% political. We would probably have anxiety if things were getting colder by several degrees. The middle ages were cold and populations got smaller based on their survival. Part of the warming after that period sprouted populations and pandemics and early childhood deaths accounted for shrinkage. The liberal media works 24/7 to pound fear and resentment and rarely mention mitigation that they follow through on.
Fear effectively controls.
31:06 What a great notion!: Social media is "a natural monopoly". And the comparison with the electrical grid monopoly or the sewage system monopoly is so apt! We allow these companies to have a monopoly, and in exchange, we set conditions and limitations on their rights to control their company, so that they can't use the exposed position of the consumer/citizen to price-gouge or deny them this vital service.
The same should apply to social media companies. They should be forced to protect the citizens freedom of speech regardless of the personal opinions owner of the company, so that a republican owner of an electrical grid cannot deny electricity to democrats, and so a democratic owner of a social company cannot deny anybody, regardless of whether he despises their ideas and words, the ability to communicate these words to anybody who wants to listen.
Social Media is not in any way a monopoly though. There's no reason anyone cannot start a social media company with a bias. They make their own rules and we can all opt not to participate.
@@stevenmyers6291that’s correct, it’s not a monopoly. Rumble is an alternative to UA-cam, DuckDuckGo is an alternative to Google. Yes they have high market share but not a monopoly. True monopolies are usually the result of government regulation. In the free market it’s very hard to have a true monopoly. The only way usually is to undercut everyone else on price, but for most businessmen is very difficult.
@@stevenmyers6291 Except if you have a free speech platform like Parler they'll shut you down.
Your suggestion flies in the face of the 1st amendment. Social media sites are private property which means that site operators have the 1st amendment right to freedom of association. The scope in which government can affect speech is very narrow and trying to allow for more government, even for goof cause, makes it prime for greater corruption.
@@markn866Social media sites are not purely private. As startups, social media companies were funded by government.
Also, even if it were purely private, it is still a public commodity. Like airlines or cell phone providers, they cannot violate rights, in this case the right to hear what others express.
Shellenberger is a hero!!!
Absolutely!
If you look at the total publicly known video footage it seems pretty clear that the officers thought they had controlled the situation. They had him in the car and talked to him. Then Floyd decided again to pull a temper tantrum and struggled to get out of the car. I think at some point one officer lost his patience and no longer cared about his actions. That is what killed him. They could not have prevented it by taking earlier action. It is also clear by his behaviour he was in drugs as he was from police footage from a previous time where he tried to cover up drugs in his car. A gentle giant? Me thinks not..
I think by earlier action to control George Floyd he meant months or years earlier.
It was a setup! Totally. For the Love of Money IS the Root of ALL Evil. Setup by ones in own community. So obvious. For a measley twenty? When are 4 in blue sent to take a report of that. Who called them. Shall I continue or can you figure it out?
Aha!! I have myself personally seen UFOs. Perhaps the most amazing event in my entire life! I was traveling from Dallas Texas headed to a hotel on the gulf coast in 1967. I was a singer in a band and the rhythm guitarist was driving and I was in shotgun seat. We had left Dallas around a half hour before sunset. Ron the guitarist had decided to take a highway rather than the larger freeway that the rest of the band was on so that we might make up time in catching up with them after losing track of them on the way out of Dallas.
I estimate that it was around midnight or after that we came upon a very strange scene, dozens, perhaps as many as a hundred cars were parked along the side of the road in both sides of the two lane highway. I was sleepy and a bit zoned out listing to some all-night radio show when Ronnie said "Wow! What the hell is going on here!!" I suddenly jerked up wide awake to see the scene I just described. We pulled off the road at the first spot available. As we pulled in I rolled down the window and asked a guy in a red and black check lumberjack shirt what was going on. He glanced back at me for a quick moment gesturing Toward the sky and said, "well get out of the car and see for yourself”
Of course we did. I looked up to see three huge bright lights, much brighter than Venus at dusk, slowly circling around a common center. There were also many smaller lights that would come from various directions on the horizon to zoom up to the three main lights and merge with a larger light.
Of course these were obviously some sort of self illuminated craft.
I asked the guy I first spoke to how long he had been watching this spectacle, without taking his eyes off the sky he answered “about 45 minutes” then added, some of these people have been here for hours,
I looked around at the crowd, there had to be more than a hundred people there.
After about half an hour suddenly hundreds of the smaller craft began zooming from all directions on the horizon and in a swarm began merging with the three large crafts. It was utterly awe inspiring. A few moments later the three large ships merged into one huge bright light and zoomed straight up and out of sight. A huge roar came from the crowd like a touchdown at a football game. I yelled out as well my heart thumping in my chest like a jackhammer..
Ron and I looked at each other eyes wide in astonished wonder. He shook his head and then looked up and said “hey, lets get out of here before there is a traffic jam with everyone trying to leave at once. So we jumped in the car and took off. We sat in silence as we raced down the highway. Later Ron said excitedly, “what are we going to say to the other guys when we get to the motel?” I said, that I was going to tell them exactly what happened. He glanced at me and said, “do you think they will believe us?” I was pretty sure they would and said so.
Most of the guys in the band were excited and believed us. Only Kenny Blevins, the drummer didn’t buy it. He called Ronnie and I liars. Kenny was a Catholic. I think the idea clashed with his religious beliefs for some reason.
The strangest thing to me is I never heard or read anything about this in the press or media.
‘Theories of the Third Kind’ did a podcast about something very similar. I hope to hell they’re coming to save us from all the crap that’s going on!
@@judycross7819 In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the *Prime Directive* (also known as "Starfleet General Order 1", and the "non-interference directive") is a guiding principle of Starfleet that prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of alien civilizations.
Perhaps they would like to...but...
@@judycross7819Don’t expect for anyone to save us except Jesus Christ.
Our own military is much, much more advanced than anyone knows. Have you noticed the string of sattellites in the night skies? No, not stars. How do you think satellite TV works? When were they launched? From where? How, without anyone noticing? Definitely man made. Do you believe in magic? Optical illusions? Puts fear in the minds of many. What causes the most fear? The fear of the unknown!
Facebook deleted my account for stating "Kyle Rittenhouse did nothing wrong." This was the day after he defended himself. I watched all the videos and it was clearly self defense. Of course I was vindicated a year later with his acquittal. I never created another account. All they accomplished was to lose visibility of me.
FACING THE FACTS website deleted me for posting accounts about my mother's BPD abuse
I saw a UAP in the 1960s about a hundred yards away just above the trees and to this day nobody will convince me I was mistaken
Interesting that the question I asked Shellenberger and he was happy to answer (at length) is cut out here. Why is that?? Was it the subject matter: The WPATH Files? Very disappointed to see this CENSORSHIP by this org which says it's against censorship.
Which “org”? This is Sheree’s podcast, not Michael’s
@@sunnyla2835 This is the Skeptic Society's podcast, it's run by Michael Shermer. I was at this live event (a recent Skeptics conference) and asked a question to Michael Shellenberger on a controversial topic which he answered at length--I actually said, DO you want to comment on this upcoming project I know he's working on. He could have said No, not at this time, but he discussed it at length. I came to watch this video thinking, now I can hear how my question sounded and really HEAR the answer, which is sometimes hard in a big room. HOWEVER, both the question & answer have both been cut, I assume by Michael Shermer. So Skeptics/Michael Shermer cut my question & Shellenberger's answer, which is censorship.
And they wanted every one to be vacinated why?? What was really in those shots?
Many times someone has told something had been debunked, but the debunking was a declarative action with no argument or evidence. So many ppls threshold for evidence is so low that as to be a statement issued by an authority that they only trust on issues they already agree with, but will also lambaste the source on issues they dont agree with. So I see a lot of selective bias from others with little ability or willingness to adjust their worldview to fit the facts, but instead choose which facts support their worldview. Not liking a candidate for instance is no excuse to believe in any fantastic claims of them, good or bad. There's been many UA-camrs that walk around looking for hot takes, listing presidential actions and quotes, and they publish the ones where the respondent assumes the positive actions are their preferred political choice, but reject the negative as being from the person they dislike. Its deceptive editing but these ppl do exist, and they don't know how to question the information given to them.
46:50 Which is why I hate blocking on online platforms. "No! You don't get to run away from this and continue to live in delusion and ignorance! Get back here!"
lol
Great. Subscribed.
Support the Censorship Industrial Complex, Vote Democrat, as Freedom FROM choice is what YOU want!
Authenticity is Everything
Michael said that 'the system was resilient to dealing with Trump's anti-democratic urges'.
What's an example of an anti-democratic thing he did?
Shellenberger seemed really out of touch with reality when it came to questioning the election. The judges never permitted Trump's lawsuit to be heard. What does one have left when justice is denied but strong speech? And everybody on the left seems to ignore the January 20, 2017 riots by the left to try and stop Trump from taking power.
Dude, he said URGES, NOT actions! Jeez, read much
The electricity companies are gauging consumers as we speak
«The medium is the message»
What does a climate change blue box below video have to do with FBO, Homeland Security, and CIA censoring social media?
The UN wants to entirely shutdown any support Schellenberger may have.
I maybe have a libertarian view, but, with the exception of lawbreakers, I don't think the government should mess with social media companies. These are private companies, not a part of government, and these companies are in business to make money. They should have the right to make their own rules and I don't see how anyone has to use these platforms. I've never messed with Twitter, and I never have to.
But a lot of the censorship actually was in conjunction with gov.
Also, when these platforms become so big they have a societal importance in that respect. One can't just negate that fact because the platform is commercial. Especially when there are no alternatives that do guarantee your freedom of speech.
The issue is the fact that lawful speech is being curtailed. We can't allow that.
@@jibberism9910 Lawful speech is not being curtailed at all. You can create your own site and say whatever you want. The government should not curtail the rights of private companies to make the rules on their sites. If you don't like the rules, go elsewhere.
@@stevenmyers6291 Tell that to Parler.
@@fredgarvinMP I don't understand? Have they been censored?
@@stevenmyers6291 Parler was shut down for wrongspeak.
Way bigger than Watergate.
"Twit" is a British slang word for fool. Twitter was meant as a harmless place where the "bewildered herd" (Walter Lippman, 1920) could express their Happy Days, Roseanne opinions.
Nice Sneakers Michael! I use the same! Go Tiger! And on top of that a very smart guy!
So does he just remove the laces, or are they made in some tricky way to look like they take laces but really don't?
Dr. Shermer's skepticism is so rigorous as to make me skeptical of skepticism itself...
'Space Aliens' is a new one on me.
This fella truly believes that minds don't exist.
Yes
Controlled democracy, available to the highest bidder. Strategic communications, groups can be predicted & directed, individuals cannot. This is a science, to quote Influence, if you haven't seen it I recommend you do. Btw, has nobody heard of Life Log or InQtel?
Social media appears to be EVERYMAN’s soapbox… so much drivel, so little mind.
Man this guy is an expert on everything. There's nothing he doesn't know.. impressive
I want to see the source code.
OMG , I just realised thats Shermer , surely he would think everything non-mainstream is a "Conspiracy Theory"
X is a funnel through which all information passes so if you control the funnel you control what information comes out.
"A civil free speech society". Yeah.
Funny, but when I added a comment about UA-cam, I can’t seem to get it printed. I this is the fourth time we’ll see if it’s mundane enough in case you haven’t figured it out I’m being
All they did this time was chop off the end of your comment. I'm kidding, I know that was just a typo on your part.
Thanks Bry you’re tight a typo!! All in good fun.
I hate this darn phone
@@Titlegal - My excuse for using desktop computer exclusively is I'm too old to use a phone, can't see it, can't type on it.
Call it YuckTube, see if that passes
So...my suspicions were right...I' m pretty convinced that my comments are swept under big brother's rug...
Truth will prevail✌️
They are.
Ive seen this
Threads was cheating garbage with its attempt go boost growth artificially by porting. I was so disgusted with the strategy that I mocked people for joining it and refuse to click any links to it
"Its old its 1987" let me lay down and die in old age. I was 17 in1987😮
the 1st has restrictions which Schellenberger would like to ignore.
first 5 provisions of the firstAMENDMENT: Religion Assembly Press Petition Speech
RAPPS
Too bad for the dems. They lost a great journalist
What do you think from the river to the sea is calling for?
whatever is decided by those with the most guns
Shellenberger should investigate John Dewey.
Liar in a Crowded Theater...sounds interesting. Free speech important. Whether Twitter or anywhere else. So much info.
What people don't know about threads is if you connect Instagram to it ^ and then cancel threads, your Instagram acc't gets canceled. Get rid of section 230 If they delete people's comments they are editing which makes them an editor!
Censorship is your owners controlling your mind.
My question also... examples of Trump's anti-democratic policies or speech? Otherwise, Schellenberger is an interesting person. Good interview.
He said URGES!!! Not actions or policies!! Jfc, people, pay attention, stop letting your own biases interfere!
43:02
I know this will make me anxious but what the hell.
Would you like someone looking through your files if you had sent it to be repaired? That would make me anxious if I'd not got all my passwords secure, especially to my bank.
@@user-ck6ve3ck4vStill not Russian disinformation, though.
@@user-ck6ve3ck4v I would not have forgotten where I left my computer in a drugfilled hazed.
Freedom of speech! The Pentagon Papers! Journalism! But no mention of JULIAN ASSANGE?!!!
Has anyone found this piece Shellenberger mentions about anti-semitic attacks written by Alice Guttentag at Public?
Title is: "Government Intel And Security Agencies Behind NGO Demands For More Censorship By X/Twitter" Her name is Alex Gutentag.
Great conversation. However Shellenberger needs to pull his pullover down to cover this skin gap.🤭
You’re a Hro .Run again you’ll win
“I just read the NY Times, that’s it” Michael Shermer
That’s explains a whole lot. Be skeptic of that specific skeptic. 😅😂
He was saying that in the voice of a typical unthinking person, not himself. Go back and check.
@@dixonpinfold2582 I couldn’t tell if he was joking or not, but I’ll take your word for it. I’m not a fan or a hater of the guy, I haven’t watched him long enough to know his face expressions or tone of voice to know he’s joking.
At the end of the day, this guy STILL has TDS
when you insult the person rather than what they say, it's proof you can't refute what they are saying.
With the exception of the fire in a crowded theater example or where human life is endangered I believe all speech should be free speech. Enchanting from the river to the sea is an incitement to murder and genocide.
Michael on the beam!
But ugly chairs, you guys!
Where is that?
censorship is mysterious like ninja
Michael, if as a post modernist, you don't believe in the entire category of truth, why on earth would you stand up for truth, at the possible cost of your career (prosaically called "cancellation" today, and denied by the cancelling bodies)? Your family and career is all you have left! Expect cowardice and mendacity to overwhelm the institutions. This is why totalitarian regimes like the Soviets inevitably become careerist in nature. (you know, "apparatchiks").
Come on! Think we’re all dumb?
What was Ray Epps doing there?
Video locked up on me. I guess this is censored.
~44:00. The word is NOT “in-ALIEN-able”, but “in-a-LIEN-able”. The rights we have are not merely ours because we are Americans (in-alien-able), but they are intrinsic to human existence: incapable of being loaned to, or loaned out , or borrowed against, having the benefits and responsibilities of “ownership” but not actually possessing (in-a-lien-able) - granted by our Creator, if you will.
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FFS guys.
If one autopsy doesn't report drugs in his system, one does, and you can see pills in his mouth minutes befor he died...
You don't need to guess how he died.
ever body was kung fu fighting