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Being American, there is so much British history that I don’t know, and I’m always so pleased to be introduced to historical figures like Mary Seacole through my favorite show. It’s one of the best things about Doctor Who: shining a spotlight on historical figures and incidents that should be remembered.
@@billywildefield7210 I started watching with closed captioning on during Capaldi’s run. My hearing got worse, the music got louder, and the accents got stronger, so it’s the only way to catch all of the dialogue. 😉
I feel the exact same way
@@billywildefield7210 Sister. 😉 I’ve been a fan since the late 70’s and Tom Baker. I’m not giving up now!
@@billywildefield7210 I feel honored!
I was lucky to have Doctor Who on PBS all of those years ago, and living in New York, they showed them all eventually. I taped them all. When I was first married, my husband (from the Midwest) had only ever seen Tom Baker episodes, so we ended up watching them all from the beginning together. We finished just in time for the new series to begin. He was very grateful.
Seacole was a fraud. The name you want to know is Kofoworola Abeni Pratt.
Dan Starky has become a sontaran icon at this point
So glad that even with these universe ending stakes, The Doctor still managed to meet a figure from history!
Me too!
Not a fan of Jodie, but definitely a fan of history and the Crimean War, so I liked this. Don't really like the historical episodes, but this is one of the better ones
Now that I think of it, the Sontarans not making the flux and simply following it almost feels like it's imitating the cybermen back in 2007 not making the Dalek void ship, but turning out to be following it..
@@SStupendous I agree! They're using the flux to their advantage as long as this chaos gives them an advantage in conquest
@@IsaacWhittakerDakin I'm saying, there's a parallel between this and the cybermen's relationship regarding the void ship
Wow i love behind the scenes with these things. She played her so well :)
"Dem never tell me about Mary Seacole"
'From Jamaica she travel far
to the Crimean War
she volunteer to go
and even when de British said no she still brave the Russian snow
a healing star
among the wounded
a yellow sunrise
to the dying'
-Remembering the poem from GCSE English Literature- what a time. And poem, & woman! I thought Sara Powell portrayed her vigorously & just tremendously in the episode! I love how the episode was an honourary spotlight to the under-recognised war nurse, plus she was a great aid to the Doctor, especially in noting down distinct aspects of the Sontarans.
A really terrific episode, & fantastic to see another historical figure get recognised & help out the Doc! 😊💫⚡🌟⚡
Ah yes- the 2017 English Lit spec...
So that's what Dan Starkey looks like. Can't have a Sontaran story without him I suppose
Was such a great character 😊
It’s sad that she isn’t really well recognised in history. She’s amazing
Its due to the fact the establishment prejudged her for her race and heritage and according to them she was not respected or acknowledged by them. At least now there is a statue to celebrate and according mary seccole and her work.
@@obiwankenobi687 tbh I only knew about Rosa parks, Shakespeare, Charles Dickens and Agatha Christie from my old school
@@ceoofwandaism7380 Those are the only people in history your school taught you about... what year are you?
@Adam Parkin I’m 16 and on my last year of secondary. I think the main reason I didn’t know who she was Is because I chose geography instead of history 2 years ago
@@ceoofwandaism7380 And you didn't learn about any other historical figures before that? That's a bit enfuriating, what crappy school decided to teach you nothing about history?
Very Interesting! Mary Seacole is one of the unsung heroes from our history! On a Doctor Who note, it's great to have Dan Starkey back as a Sontaran!
It’s a false history.
’Unsung heroes’? You do know that she wasn’t a nurse, correct? She was a hotelier.
@@jimkillerx And who do you think rejected her nursing application?
@@jimkillerxstupid she was a nurse
@@kuggacouragegx6093 She was never a nurse. What made you think that she was?
A series wide story arc with individual stories like this shares a lot with Tom Baker's The Key to Time
That's to be expected since most of the plot in the 13th Doctor era were caused by the Tom Baker tenure.
I'm excited for the return of the Cybermen
Mary Seacole, IMHO, did more for battlefield treatment of soldiers than her Anglo counterpart Florence Nightingale. Glad to see her finally getting the recognition she deserves outside the UK :) Also: Dan Starkey is back and that was just fun!!
Your opinion should be humble if you believe that, as it's utterly wrong. You can read Seacole's own writings and find out who and what she was, the idea she was even close to Nightingale in impact is a bad joke.
- you’re not serious, are you? Seacole was a fraud, a complete historical hoax.
@@fletcherhamilton3177 Says the person whos posting right-wing material on their YT channel.
@@moretoknowshow1887 - ‘Right wing’ just means ‘socially conservative, less government intervention’, _bozo._ It’s not the Nazi dog whistle that you think it is.
It’s not a true history. She was not a nurse.
Loved this episode! Can’t wait for next week.
There's going to be episodes next week? I thought this was a special, they're continuing in 2022?
@@SStupendous there’s 4 more episodes each week and then 2 specials before the third which is the Centenary
@@CloutMasterCam Ah, makes more sense
Who else learnt about Mary Seacole through Horrible Histories back during their childhood?
Can't believe it's 7 years since the show ended
We learnt about her in school, I'm surprised at how many people here are saying they've never heard of her. I've always considered her as famous as Florence Nightingale, if not more so
@@george5954 Then you've been VERY badly educated.
Omg yessss
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. No? I'm just saying she was a prominent figure around here. She's one of the most famous black Britons ever. And I'm glad her story is being introduced to a larger audience since I hadn't consider people outside of London/the UK not knowing her
Was nice to have a historical companion for a change. She was definitely one of the highlights of the episode.
Like when H.G. Wells became a story companion in Timelash.
It was a really nice episode!!
Love it when famous characters star in doctor who
Awesome episode from all concerned, lovely behind the scenes video, hope everyone at Team Doctor Who are having a ace week😀👍👏👏👏
Happy birthday to Doctor Who!!! 😍😘😘😘😘
She did the Jamaican accent very well
She did a great accent, absolutely thought she was Jamaican
Agreed that is the mark of a good actor, The person disappears and the Character shines through.
The Masters actor is a great actor Sacha disappears, and all you see is the master
She is actually jamacian, she just has a british accent
Thank you Horrible Histories for making us remember Mary Seacole
You were lied to then as well.
@@Problembeing Yeah history teaching ca. be left out the important stuff
There is a BBC podcast called Your Dead to Me hosted by Greg Jenner (Horrible Histories historian) where he has a comedian and a historian on to talk about a person or event. He recently did an episode on Mary Seacole
What a legendary women
Yeah… ‘mythical’…
Who is Mary Seacole? A three-quarters white, middle-class, Catholic, Jamaican herbalist and businesswoman who was a boarding house keeper in Jamaica, and later ran a restaurant/store in Panama and then in the Crimea. The idea that she was a greater pioneer of nursing than Florence Nightingale is pure fiction. She certainly led an interesting life but celebrate her for that rather than for things she didn't do.
Thank you! 🙌
People saying otherwise are spreading some ill-informed revisionist bullshit.
@@jimkillerx not true in any way. She *did* do a lot of nursing. The hotelier bit was just a side gig. Being a female nurse might not have brought in a lot of money at the time. Especially when things like frontline hospitals had never been done before the Crimean War. And before you go off on your Florence Nightingale tangent, know that Florence pioneered the behind enemy lines hospital, not a frontline hospital.
@@DoctorWhoKage She was not a nurse. End of story. She didn't even refer to herself as a nurse, because that's not what she was. She didn't even meet the qualifications to become a nurse.
@@jimkillerx so? That tells me that she's modest and nothing more.
Loved this portrayal of Mary Seacole!
I love behind the scenes of Doctor Who & Sarah Powell is a wonderful actress.
nice to see Dan Starkey back to play the Sontaran or the voice of one of the Sontaran
I do very much appreciate that Chibnall's era puts a spotlight on important women in history.
And I do not appreciate the fact that Chibnall Who shills for big corporations like Amazon, then uses the “feminist” card to cover it up and pretend to be progressive.
@@killgriffinnow Some people have to find the negativity in anything.
1. Kerblam! wasn't written by Chibnall
2. Its message was mixed and unclear (supposedly pro-corporation, but the AI did kill an innocent person)
3. Chibnall didn't use the "feminist" card to cover it up. When/how did he do that?
@@dante6985
1. It was signed off under him.
2. The Doctor didn't call out the corporation for killing an innocent person - they even said "the system isn't the problem!"
3. Having lots of feminist themes lets the series masquerade as progressive while including sinister, far right wing undertones. I don't mean to ruin it for anyone, but equally I don't just want to sweep this stuff under the rug.
yeah, Kerblam was quite contrary to a lot of previous social commentary made by Who, especially in Moffat's last series but, I think it's a bit unfair to say that all of the other "feminist" episodes are just there to cover up for the bad takes. that quote from Vincent and the Doctor about how good things and bad things should be treated as separate instead of compared seems appropriate here.
@@killgriffinnow Chibnall didn't write kerblam, and what McTighe wrote was right, any system can be weaponised, look at the internet, created to bring people together, in 2021 has been weaponised to steal data, hurt the poor, and make money for the elite. The systems aren't the problem, it's who manipulates them and pushes them to breaking point, in Kerblam breaking point was it becoming sentiant, murdering innocents and only caring about productivity and not the workers, but originally it would have been designed to help deliver important supplies and give people jobs, overtime it was manipulated to the point where humans weren't even needed, and that lead to what we saw. So overall, what Pete McTighe said was 100% right (ironically he was condemning those like Jeff Bezos, the ones who manipulate the system for their own self-interest) .
Correct me if im wrong, but that was my takeaway
I remember reading about her as a kid, and i decided from that moment on, she was my hero!
Real OGs know Mary Seacole from Horrible Histories
what an absolute beautiful performance by Sara Powell. and geez what an inspiration Mary Seacole is, I have to get of my sofa and do something with my life.
I'm not Jamaican but rather Trini, but seeing West Indian representation nevertheless is really special to me
The historical episodes are one of this era's best achievements! ❤️❤️❤️
I wanted Sara Powell to be The Doctor. Maybe it could still happen. Peter Capaldi was a different character before he got the lead role.
I know he's a working actor and it's still him doing Doctor Who, but you gotta feel for Dan Starkey now only being credited as 'Sontaran'.
Being credited as a sontaran for me would be an honour
Question for everyone what do you think of the episode?
I loved it. It was a lot of fun and I’m so happy for this new design for the Sontarans and I hope they do come back at the end. Maybe I’m too generous but I give War of the Sontarans a score of 10/10 💙💙
Brilliant, love me a good sontaran story, and this one was truly entertaining. Jodie seems to have found her funny bone with this one cos I was laughing through out the whole episode. 9/10 only because I don't understand what's going on, but then again, that's not new with DW.
Brilliant but with some reservations.
I liked the Sontaran classic look, and their classic unempathic ruthlessness, but not the silliness of them chasing Dan down the road as a squad then becoming two unconscious and forgotten soldiers because they turned a corner, nor the lack of sleep-watch strategy.
I love Karvanista and the whole concept of mans best friend but I’m confused why he still wants his human whilst apparently the threat has passed and the rest of the doggy gang are not collecting theirs.
Also, do we still have a moon?
I love the idea of the Temple of Atropos and the quantum-locked Mouri controlling time (Angel Genesis vibes!), but not that it’s all a really huge concept that you might’ve missed if you coughed.
The big bads look gorgeous and I especially love Azure, she reminds me of Eldrad from Hand Of Fear, all of them feel like classic Who villains.
It all seems very promising, but I’m worried at all the many crossing plot threads and really huge concepts because are they going somewhere big enough with it all to tie it all up nicely at the end?
Anyway, I intend to enjoy the ride.
This may have been the best episode on NuWho. It's sad that this era is coming to an end so soon.
Idk about best, but I think it's definitely my new favorite Sontaran-focused episode. They're a villain I've generally not cared much about in the past, but they were really good here and made me care about them as both a source of comedy and a threat.
Shes awesome
So much of that era is so romanticised, and, with the exception of the Sontarans, this might be a bit more accurate. There's nothing romantic about war. Good performances all the way around.
I loved know Mary Seacole, and i'm loving Flux
I have only read a good synopsis of Mary's autobiography, and can say that a lot of what is now being told of as her history is untrue at worst or twisted truth at best.
Mary never claimed to be a Nurse or 'Doctoress" nor that her mother was, as is the recent narrative. In fact Physicians were invariably male, as women were thought too incompetent and weak to do such a job. Women as Nurses was also not a thing, for the same reasons.
Florence Nightingale was the first recognised Nurse in the world. Women were thought too stupid and weak (or 'delicate'). Florence was much maligned for her capabilities in her own time especially for her insistence on cleanliness as Physicians, such they were, took great pride in old dirty blood being on their coats. People believed it a testimony that they were experienced. Not only the quacks of the time believed that but people in general did.
Mary wasn't untruthful and apparently never claimed to be a Nurse or Doctress. Nor that her mother was. She also wrote that she opened and ran an hotel and restaurant, not for the ill and injured. It was her business venture and she only sometimes visited patients in the local hospital.
She did supply her brews to people and later realised that her concoctions must have killed a lot of them, which she deeply regretted. However, that was the nature of herbal medicines and it still is to some extent. There are countless herbal and spice 'cures' on the Web but if you search the recommended plant and write 'dangers' after the word in the search bar it is frightening how many times a thing can have an even worse effect than the illness and even sometimes be deadly.
Also, she used mercury and lead. That said, she wasn't the only one. It seems it was usual for the time. Such things did cure what they were treating and the bit later ill effects would appear to be unrelated. Laudnum was also heavily used and freely sold, and a lot of people became addicted and died from that too.
It isn't possible to compare medical practice of even the time of Florence and Mary with later practice. It would be incorrect to describe any of them as Nurses. In fact, a lot of people who were patients of or worked with Florence seemed to find some justified faults with her, including that she was cold and aloof toward patients. Maybe a snob. Mary seems to have been more warm and personable. However, bigging them up helped with the efforts of the emancipation of women which whilst it was much needed, the plan wasn't really to help women at all but to have women vote and undermine men, to take mens jobs for much lower pay which would in due course cause mens pay to be far less, to 'encourage' mums of even babies to go out to work and therefore not be a constant figure and stable influence on the children and in the home, and the end goal to break up the family and turn the genders against each other. Why would those long powerful families do that? Because the family is the backbone of any society. Break down families and the women and children are more easily targeted, as men are less inclined to protect them after being disregarded by the women. Then society can be reshaped. Children get their ideas and characters from being brainwashed in schools, by TV and any other means available instead of parents and other elders in their families. The changes to society planned and being carried out are not good and healthy for us.
The best way to find the truth of anything about the twisted histories we are now told is to try and buy the earliest edition books possible, particularly autobiographies (which also may be biased).
Lies about history are almost always to divide and conquer. To make the group no longer favourable to those in control look bad. Years ago it was more popular to disparage Jews, and Blacks, Asians, whoever. Really it never matters too much which group, as long as the general populace can be signalled "Don't look here at us and what we are doing to you. Look at them there and what they did". There is always an agenda and it is never really for the long term betterment of the masses, even if it appears to be at first. E.G. When Blair became PM in 1997 (without my vote. I did not vote for any of them) most people were amazed at how quickly it appeared he improved the NHS. After all, it had clearly been falling apart for years. What few people knew was that it was at the expense of mental health services and other less obvious disciplines. Also only those at or near the top including within the NHS knew the 'improvements' were to make it attractive to buyers. It was sold lock, stock and barrel to (William's?) SERCO on the open stock market in 1998. Now, it's various component authorities are listed on Dun & Bradstreet. The USA branch, not the branch in England. So it appears to have been broken up and sold on piecemeal. There so much more I write as examples but too much for here. What is made to look good for us is in reality very much to the detriment of ourselves, our children and theirs ad infinitum.
Lesson to be learned; never trust the official or popular narrative whether it is about history, science, politics or anything. Always research for yourselves as far as you can. Even then you may not find the whole truth.
Omg stfu dude u do know doctor who sia. Sci fi show nor a history documentary? Also no it doesn't matter rather she calls herself one or the other, it is about the fact she was a nurse and a doctor. Also with Florence she was the founder of modern nursing. It tales less thana second to google
Just realised she was Sally in London's Burning
Loved it
Awesome
I love all the episodes that feature historical figures and this ep is no exception! These BTS vids on the actual history also greatly help viewers (particularly young viewers) to quickly gain some knowledge before they dive deeper into history, should they so choose. Thanks!
Mary Seacole was running an early version of a battlefield hospital, whereas Florence Nightingale organised her's well behind the lines. Mary was a hands on nurse, whereas Florence was more of an administrator and was later a pioneer of statistics.
Almost entirely wrong
Both pioneered two separate versions of field hospitals.
Seacole pioneered the frontline hospital, Nightingale pioneered the behind the lines field hospital.
She pioneered administration and statistics as well, because she realised the two hospitals needed them for supplies.
I know both of them from school.
Both were equally vitally important, because it was an example of advanced logistics.
Both are recognized around the world in field medicine, due to the fact they still use their techniques in the remotest of places, not just battlefields.
@@stuartjohnellis Go read some history, see other comment, to which I will add that Florence Nightingale was one of the pioneers of a variety of pie chart, that shows percentages at stand out little towers. 🙄
She was NOT a nurse.
@@stuartjohnellis exactly. I would venture to say ‘completely wrong’, personally. Such a revisionist load of carbuncle.
Am really enjoying this story 😉
As a poisoner myself she certainly inspired me to start using lead and mercury to finish off my victims.
anyone else miss dwc?
Ray Holman is a legend
Chibnall's era once again hitting it out of the park with historicals and meeting historical figures.
Even when they are absolutely fictional versions.
Wasn't she mentioned before
Bravo
Just asking : was anyone else chanting: Santa Ha Santa Ha Santa Ha?along with the Sontaron. Just me?
Sontar-Ho.
@@Brodo-Fraggins awwww when he got executed. I was wondering if we had heard that before. Sontar Ha the battle cry Sontar Ho for an execution
Dr David Starkey differs about her been a nurse
It is horrible for the sontaran empire to be captured by enemy forces it would be better to die in battle still at THE GLORY OF THE SONTARAN EMPIRE
collection clip today pls
Did nobody notice Williamson .. who paid unemployed soldiers to dig tunnels in the sandstone under Edge Hill?
If you're not an OG they used to call this Doctor Who Confidential!
She was that character from The Twelfth Doctor Chronicles, also the person who love painting the white soldiers in black face and the concept of black face, she ran a restaurant not a hotel
I loved this episode so much, Mary Seacole is such an interesting character that definitely doesn't get enough attention
She gets too much attention. She wasn’t a nurse. Florence Nightingale as been unfairly supplanted by revisionist history.
@@Problembeing Well personally, I think Florence Nightingale is talked about lots and gets loads of recognition (which she definitely deserves) whereas I'd heard very little about Mary Seacole before this episode and I'm glad they included her
Can we get her actress back as a Companion? Cause she stole that episode when she was on screen.
I hadn't been concerned about infinite regenerations so much as the Master's ability to singlehandedly destroy the Citadel and defeat the rest of the Time Lords seemingly without raising a sweat, when the combined might of all the Daleks couldn't do it. Why is nobody outraged about *that*?
Of the hundreds of women in the Crimean War Dr. Who met and recognized Mary Seacole, chance and writers are strong. Or woke.
Stupid how tf that is being woke?
Mary Seacole - the lady who did what others think Flo Nightingale did. She was awesome!!
Mary Seacole _was not a nurse._
Dan Starkey starting too look old..🥺
FIRST, as always, I'm not just a True Whovian, I'm The True Whovian 😌
Sorry ur second :(
@@datgaydangernoodle1315 sorry mate I was first. And always will be
@@thedoctorwho73 no you literally weren't
@@thedoctorwho73 Can confirm, you are the second comment
Cringe.
Congratulations to every one who got early and saw this comment
Looking forward to this. It looks really worthy and woke
Wow I'm early
She actually went to the war to set up a luxury hotel for the officers of the army. The nursing part was minimal and incidental. She went to make a profit not to care for the soldiers.
i 💙💙 Chris Chibnall.
I can't wait for this woman to regenerate.... bloody heck...
Putting up a statue of Mary Seacole in the UK is like putting up a statue of Samantha Stevens in Salem, Massachusetts.
What
@@kuggacouragegx6093 _"There can be few people in Britain who have not heard of Mary Seacole, the Jamaican-British woman who ran an exclusive restaurant for officers during the Crimean War and sometimes administered medical treatment of dubious benefit to injured or sick people. Since the 1981 centenary of her death, Seacole’s reputation has grown and her legacy has now eclipsed Florence Nightingale’s in becoming the most famous British nurse of the nineteenth century. When London’s St Thomas’s Hospital wished to erect a statue to commemorate a nurse in 2016, for instance, it was Mary Seacole whom they chose to depict, rather than Nightingale."_
*-Simon Webb,* "Britain’s Black History Racket"
Apparently Mary Seacole was the 19th century's UK equivalent of Miss Cleo.
Elisabeth Montgomery's famous witch character, Samantha Stevens, did more to popularize witches in the US than anything before or since. In Salem Massachusetts there is a statue of her with a smirk on her face, waving as she rides through the moon on a broom. I am comparing this to the statue of Mary Seacole.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
How the hell do we know you fools wasted the chance to get to know her and about the war she was involved in
😴😴😴😴😴😴
So the only thing we have of Mary Seacole is a DOCTOR WHO EPISODE? And not a good one either, it's FemWho. Which everyone hates. Do an actual movie about Mary Seacole, not this.
Wow u are dumb for this take
More woke.
Just as it has been since 1963.
@@DrWhoFanJ Nah!
@@rodneymarsden3003 Yes, it has. The show has *always* been “woke”.
Or did you miss the Daleks being allegories for Nazis? The Peladon stories being allegories for the EEC (the precursor to the EU)? The Green Death and Invasion of the Dinosaurs dealing with climate change and global warming? etc. etc.
Must be so boring for black actors in this woke era. All they mostly seem get to play these days are the noble stoic characters. The villains are always more fun.
Why comment this?
@@ScoobyandShaggy5554 Just a thought
@@oiooi6460 A very pointless and somewhat primitive thought
@@judeh8160 Hardly. We have some amazing black actors and actresses. I doubt they want to be constrained to such boring parts just so that writers can virtue signal their woke credentials
What do you mean by woke era?
No one's quite sure how Mary Seacole got her medals.
That's because the marxist left always discredit and bear false witness against the heroes of history.
It's should be quite obvious.
Mary Seacole would not have been qualified to receive a medal, most likely because she is a woman.
However, the many soldiers she saved; would have received medals and some of them no doubt; were so grateful to Mary Seacole, that they gave her medals that they had earned because in their minds; she earned those medals.
It is sad that for the marxist racist left; anyone with impeccable character, has to always be brought down and accused of nefarious and suspicious activity, even when there is no evidence to support the accusation.
Such racists the marxist left are.
Erm, what?
What’s Marxist ? Im confused by how that relates
@@iain9757
Communist, socialist, leftist, liberals that support them are all totalitarian marxist.
American's that support them are traitors.
Does Mary Seacole seriously not know what a russian is?
I hadn't been concerned about infinite regenerations so much as the Master's ability to singlehandedly destroy the Citadel and defeat the rest of the Time Lords seemingly without raising a sweat, when the combined might of all the Daleks couldn't do it. Why is nobody outraged about *that*?