20 years old, I’ve been elk hunting southwest Washington since I was a young kid with my dad. Even in my short time here I’ve seen a dramatic, and sad, decline in the elk population. We used to see herds of 25-40 elk regularly when I was 5-10 years old. 2024 early season the biggest herd I saw had 8 total elk. Bulls don’t get as big because they die so young, and herds keep shrinking because there are like no cows. With hoof rot, and Washington restricting predator hunting, I wouldn’t be surprised if elk become a protected/endangered species here soon.
Same...I live right near Mt st Helen's and there used to be elk right where I live and we haven't seen them in at least 8 years..everybody used to think they were just living in the young re-prod but that's just not the case
Its a crying shame what the wdfw commission has done to hunting in washington state through thier anti hunting action like protecting preditors and non action for things like hoof rott.
Their is literally a crazy cat lady on the board now. The elk in the Blues are an a serious decline also due to wolves and cats. You can compare them to the Lolo elk herd in Idaho when wolves first appeared. Over 80% decline in those populations
WA state is the worst managed state for sportsmen in the nation. There should be 2x or 3x as many Roosevelt Elk than there are now. Taking away spring bear and not giving any thought to predator management is not a recipe for success.
This has been going on for 25 years and they just in the last few years decided to start researching it and do testing. When timber companys made the switch from slash burning to mass spraying atrazine and other chemicals to combat growth of other unwanted plants that compete with there saplings they planted. Almost the same time they made the switch from slash burning to spraying herbicides hoof rot appreared. These chemicals are thought to lower the elks immune system therefore making it susceptible for diseases like hoof rot. We’ve seen elk suffering for years and years now. Hoof rot killing over 70 percent of the elk in my county and this study was released years ago feels like more were dealing with 80-90 percent have died due to it. It’s frustrating watching this go on and on with no real action. These elk are on about a 8 month cycle from the time they get it to the time they literally cannot walk and starve to death or bed down and get eaten alive. What do you think these mass amounts of chemicals being sprayed on clear cuts and sides of logging roads are doing to our watersheds as well? Super frustrating hope this video sheds some light to this serious issue. The state only does the least they can possibly do. Everything wildlife related in the state they seem to mess up our salmon and steelhead fisheries our elk not to mention they’ve released wolves so if we have any elk left in southwest Washington in 20 years I’d be surprised
I just Googled the decease, and a few good scientific articles popped up. Not one mentioned atrazine. You are the first to mention it. I would not be surprised if Weyerhaeuser lobbied to keep the connection silent for as long as possible. Also, I have been a huge fan of Meateater for a few years now. This is the saddest episode I have ever seen.
They also leave the slash sometimes hip deep, forcing the animals to move through Swamp where they can't cut trees, which is also where more diseases and bacteria are. Not burning also means less quality feed becuase not only is it poisoned, but fewer plants also grow, so their diet is limited on top of it. "Must save the planet by not burning!" It's the same problem as with Washington's wildfire policies. Save the planet and in doing so destroy the planet.
To many people you might sound like a conspiracy theorist. But to those many people I say “Monsanto. Roundup. Cancer related disease class action settlements.” Sounds very familiar to what companies that sold asbestos containing products or Big Tobacco said. We should all think hard about why they wouldn’t want the bad news shared and what they would do to hide it
@Blacktailhunter69 Strange that they stopped burning the clearcuts and following nature, and went to chemicals. All in the name of global warming. Well done Washington. I saw it too before I left the state. You knew when you were tracking a herd with a sick animal, it smelled rotten even in the tracks.
Its awesome to see you guys in Washington. Man what a dream it would be to be able to work with you guys. This is one of the areas i hunt and Its really cool to see you talking about hoof rot. I think the chemicals weyerhaeuser sprays on new clear cuts has a lot to do with it.
Welcome to Washington fellas! 😂 Home of the Governor who ran for President on a "Climate" agenda while having countless environmental disasters in his own back yard....
So glad to see you covering this, I am a bit north of the area you were hunting, we don't seem to have much hoof rot yet....But we have far far fewer elk than we did 15 or 20 years ago. Its crazy. I wish we could see a little more communication from WDFW. I am really not sure whats going on but it seems like the alarm should have gone of years ago yet it continues to be business as usual with WDFW
I harvested a bull with hoof rot in the same county as this one in 2010. It was in much worse shape then the one in this video. Sad to see things have only gotten worse.
I live in Hunt in Washington just got done with my two weeks in the woods chasing elk. We were on elk every day except for 2 days. Every herd we saw at least 15% were limping with hoof rot. Its hella sad to see. Also I hunt very close to this area and had that bull with the funky horn on my trail cam while he was still in velvet 😂
Hard to watch those gorgeous creatures like that. Yes we do hunt. Yes we do kill. But it just once again proves that us hunters truly care about all things outdoors, we're not just mindless killers.
They probably do care ... about keeping it going. Having problems in the environment allow government agencies that are supposed to fix them to get funding. If they actually fix the problem, they can't get funding anymore and lose their jobs. It's the same reason why california still has a homelessness problem despite decades of promises to fix it.
Yep, no hurry let hunters stop hunting. Then they can stop selling tags and justify it, “ because nobody hunts “. The anti hunters are working for the state and their agenda is hard at work and they are playing the long game.
You are talking about the same State that FORCED all Game Wardens to get the jab. AND STILL MANDATE it to this day. Fired so many great protectors of our forests and wildlife because they purposely want it to be in shambles. Literally release wolves and now grizzles because people in Seattle want them BUT make sure they only put them in areas that don't come anywhere close to Seattle :)
some information on TAHD: TAHD is spread when contaminated soil is transferred to new areas on the hooves of infected elk or on human shoes and tires. Scientists believe that treponeme bacteria can persist in moist soil. Treating disease in free-living wildlife is difficult, and similar actions to treat livestock are not practical. How can you help? 1) Leave Hooves of infected elk on site. 2) Report Observations of limping elk, and dead elk with hoof deformities to wildlife managers. 3) Clean off shoes or tires "before" leaving a TAHD area. 4) Incentives for hunters are offered by some wildlife departments to harvest TAHD infected elk.
Anybody remember in the mid to late 90's when they brought in some rocky mountain elk and kept them in a fenced area for study about 10 miles north of Pe Ell? The conditions were foul for animals not native here. Only lasted a short while but we've always wondered if that ever had anything to do with it.
A hard video to watch! Are there any organizations that hunters/public can contribute to to help find answers and fight this disease? RMEF, the college doing the research, etc?
Well with the Tree huggers on Washington State far out numbering true conservationists of the wild... anyone who could do something is being payed off by Weyerhaeuser Tree Co
Amazing video. I hadn't even heard of it before watching. So scary to think of what this and all the diseases impacting whitetails could mean for the future of cervids.
Took an elk in 2005 in Colorado with this. Tracked it down in the snow because of that odd hoof, had no idea till I watched this what it was. No one official at the time could give me an answer. we ate the meat but have never seen one like that since.
Am I understanding correctly that this disease traces back to Washington state? Specifically, west of I-5? I live in Western Washington, and I’ve always enjoyed hunting. I’ve never heard much about this.
How you help all the game species in SW Washington is stop the tree farming companies (Weyco) from using whatever chemicals are poisoning animals. End of story...PERIOD
I’m not sure why the USA deer population suffers from these diseases, hoof rot and cwd, here in Europe luckily we aren’t having the same scale of the problem, presumably animal population numbers are the main issue
It's not only elk hooves, the local deer population "suddenly" developed hair loss disease around the same time timber corporations started spraying 10s of millions of gallons of chemicals on the the clearcuts.
I have long time hunters that originally daw this back in the 90s and named it club foot. Well it’s the same thing here (just named something different)… it is a direct result from weyerhauser properties and the big timber being able to spray their toxic ass “soup” which is causing iron deficiences in our elk! The fish and game wont do anything because theyre paid by daddy inslee…. Washington hunters need to stop buying tags before it’s too late. Ive seen first hand where elks flesh is literally rotting off their bodies and its 100 percent weyerhausers fucking fault!
Washington State is amazing. You got lovely forests being ruined by city dwelling Liberals who hate the wilderness, yet any chance they get they leave the horrible City of Seattle and destroy anything and everything they can with their dirty polluted city living. and the best part is, they control the state. So they are free to destroy their side as much as they want, then go on vacation and destroy the unruined areas. Thank you liberals of Seattle :)
I was born and raised in Washington and the WDFW is a disgrace, they have destroyed that states hunting and fishing. Ridiculous that it’s used for political purposes.
Great Video but very sad!! 😔 😔 I have to wonder and hope they are exploring everything different from past elk to now. So rather you believe it or not they are spraying our skies with things we know nothing about!! Our trees are dying!! Our vital insects(bees) are dying! And our wildlife is dying!! I'm a hunter and I see these things! Why has this not excited until recently?? These kind of things did not exist when I was a kid!! Very Sad! 😔
Um I've been chasing Roosevelts as a regeneration forestry scientist since the early 2000's in this country. There is no way that chemistry designed to limit photosynthesis can possibly encourage bacteria. Bacteria move from animal to animal. They leave it in the soil and the herd transmits it to each other. I'd be looking at domestic undulates if we need a human link but I don't think the spirit of this video was to create misinformation or establish blame. Let's help the author spread the word about the disease with others in the field and get samples or other data to the scientist working to help the elk.... which will help those that like to hunt them.
If it's so bad in this area, then please tell me why WDFW has increased the antlerless permits in this area for 2024? Did the same to the St Helens herd, and now there is hardly any elk left there. Total miss management from WDFW.
They say there is no cure for wild animals based on practicality, yet cattle are treated on the farms. Why not broadcast medical pellets in areas elk frequent? Winter feeding stations ect. You dont have to treat the entire forest just areas herds visit.
The main treatment used in cattle is copper sulfate. Not sure how it would affect water sources and other eco systems. We use foot baths. It would be easy to put one right where Jason had his trail cam though.
Not to discredit phelps, antler growth is indeed motivated by injuries. But usually to the testicles. As antlers in all species not just elk are driven by testosterone.
Some ppl say spraying some say predators some say increased native hunting I do believe it’s a combo of it all I will say I’ve seen an increase in hunter numbers but harvest studies show a decrease in the amount of elk killed idk the answer but I’m sadly realizing in the past four years I had my great times in my teens and early twenty’s now I’m mid thirties and just this year felt some old injuries lol I’m still young but I know I can do what I did in the past just waking up and with less elk the ambition is fading don’t get me wrong 13 day season day in day I go balls to the wall but the decrease is a fact the answer is sadly not one simple thing it’s a multitude and if that isn’t fixed it’ll get worse
Hoof rot was fought in court and lost. Saying that the spray does not cause this. So i believe this im Not sure I am not a scientist. It may come From the actual gravel roads. Cattle get this a lot from being on a farm with lots of gravel. But who knows .
Oh yeah eat something that messes there horns up lol are you insane. New study suggests not to eat it not that you should need that. Your kids will have hands coming out their forheads
Herbicide spraying with warmer temperatures and lower food quality means animal's with lower immune systems and no way to fight this off. The state has a fancy research facility that has done nothing to stop this.
Adding more predators was never the intent to make the various species more healthy. It was and is viewed by the anti-hunters as a method to make hunting unnecessary.
lol its not the destruction of habit that is reducing numbers or actually causing the footroot lol no way is intensive corperate farming(that ammerica is famous for) to blame lol
While I enjoy watching you show and your UA-cam channel please please stop "spot dropping " in southeast Alaska you have a following of 20 +million people your show has increased the volume of people coming here and taking the local resources and ruining many local spots for deer and fishing between you Randy Newberg and the keiffer brothers you guys have influence 1000s of youtubers to come to Southeast ak and northern alaska who normally would not have came here. Thank you your local Southeast AK residents.
As a veterinarian & former deer biologist, this is hard to watch. Foot root disease is increasing worldwide in livestock associated with an increase in soil humidity and changes in solid moisture and bacterial composition. The intriguing thing is that TAHD is associated with treponema (the spirochetal bacterial family that causes syphilis and pinta in humans). The baseline Koch postulates indicate that to incriminate an agent as the cause of the disease, the four postulates to be fulfilled in their current form, the identified organism must (1) be present in all cases of the disease; (2) be isolated from diseased animals (3) cause disease when reintroduced to a healthy susceptible animal model, and (4) then be isolated again from the new host (3 & 4 normally from controlled experiments). I wonder if the term "treponeme-associated " relates to the fact that Koch's postulates have not been successfully fulfilled, yet.
"Certain" industrial practices are 100% degrading in various ways, our animal population, both Oregon and Washington, and have been doing so for at least a hundred years. Be it the old chemicals or new. They may act like they care about the animals, but they don't. It's a disease, but there's other reasons/factors contributing to these kinds of things.
If that’s the case, most likely they sprayed an antibacterial agent and something that it could not eradicate became the dominant bacteria. The wetness of the weather is certainly not helping.
I grew up about an hour and a half away from this area on the edge of Gifford Pinchot Glad when I see all that rain that I moved to Texas but man it makes me emotional seeing the elk in such terrible shape….. I used to see herds of 70+ when driving home and dream about them as a little boy. What a shame
I just finished up a trip out here for a high buck hunt; I’ll be coming back next year with a few other disabled veterans was planning something different then this video popped up. I’m a conservationist first, I’ll be looking into how I can help. I’d rather take a suffering animal over a trophy.
I don’t know that much I’m not an expert in this. In fact I’m an arborist in the Boise area. However I grew up in central Idaho on a cattle ranch and we always had what was called foot rot on our cattle. We primarily flood irrigated so we attributed to that. We used an antibiotic to treat it. Usually we used our capture gun rather than bringing them all the way back to the squeeze chute. I wonder what the environmental impact would be to treating standing water sources with an antibiotic to see if you could curb it. Even just a few wallows might make a difference.
At 23 second mark of Remi Warren's video "The Crown Bull I Danielle's Giant Elk With a Bow" we see the telltale deformed left antler. Sure hope they report that animal's location!
This is so sad! I've never heard of this before. It seems odd that it would show up all of a sudden. Whatever changed when it first showed up must be the cause. Bacteria may be the result but not the cause of this condition
I never thought I'd see what is basically my backyard in a meat eater video.
Fr same here willapa valley guy here
Cal is the man. He cares so much and i appreciate him highlighting the science behind hoof disease with alot of compassion fir the species.
20 years old, I’ve been elk hunting southwest Washington since I was a young kid with my dad. Even in my short time here I’ve seen a dramatic, and sad, decline in the elk population. We used to see herds of 25-40 elk regularly when I was 5-10 years old. 2024 early season the biggest herd I saw had 8 total elk. Bulls don’t get as big because they die so young, and herds keep shrinking because there are like no cows. With hoof rot, and Washington restricting predator hunting, I wouldn’t be surprised if elk become a protected/endangered species here soon.
It's not just a decline there. The Blue Mountains are in a serious decline as well for elk. Wolves and cats. I gave up on the blues.
Same...I live right near Mt st Helen's and there used to be elk right where I live and we haven't seen them in at least 8 years..everybody used to think they were just living in the young re-prod but that's just not the case
You literally have vegans on your wildlife commission. What direction do you think this is headed?
@@swearengin1111111111and Mexicans who hunt in large parties and fire volleys like they are on a duck hunt.
Its a crying shame what the wdfw commission has done to hunting in washington state through thier anti hunting action like protecting preditors and non action for things like hoof rott.
Their is literally a crazy cat lady on the board now. The elk in the Blues are an a serious decline also due to wolves and cats. You can compare them to the Lolo elk herd in Idaho when wolves first appeared. Over 80% decline in those populations
WA state is the worst managed state for sportsmen in the nation. There should be 2x or 3x as many Roosevelt Elk than there are now. Taking away spring bear and not giving any thought to predator management is not a recipe for success.
Nothing about wildlife management in WA is encouraging. Lived here 50 years (my whole life) and It's sad what has happened here.
Fun to see Meateater hunt in a place where i grew up hunting and still hunt.
This has been going on for 25 years and they just in the last few years decided to start researching it and do testing. When timber companys made the switch from slash burning to mass spraying atrazine and other chemicals to combat growth of other unwanted plants that compete with there saplings they planted. Almost the same time they made the switch from slash burning to spraying herbicides hoof rot appreared. These chemicals are thought to lower the elks immune system therefore making it susceptible for diseases like hoof rot. We’ve seen elk suffering for years and years now. Hoof rot killing over 70 percent of the elk in my county and this study was released years ago feels like more were dealing with 80-90 percent have died due to it. It’s frustrating watching this go on and on with no real action. These elk are on about a 8 month cycle from the time they get it to the time they literally cannot walk and starve to death or bed down and get eaten alive. What do you think these mass amounts of chemicals being sprayed on clear cuts and sides of logging roads are doing to our watersheds as well? Super frustrating hope this video sheds some light to this serious issue. The state only does the least they can possibly do. Everything wildlife related in the state they seem to mess up our salmon and steelhead fisheries our elk not to mention they’ve released wolves so if we have any elk left in southwest Washington in 20 years I’d be surprised
I just Googled the decease, and a few good scientific articles popped up. Not one mentioned atrazine. You are the first to mention it. I would not be surprised if Weyerhaeuser lobbied to keep the connection silent for as long as possible. Also, I have been a huge fan of Meateater for a few years now. This is the saddest episode I have ever seen.
They also leave the slash sometimes hip deep, forcing the animals to move through Swamp where they can't cut trees, which is also where more diseases and bacteria are.
Not burning also means less quality feed becuase not only is it poisoned, but fewer plants also grow, so their diet is limited on top of it.
"Must save the planet by not burning!"
It's the same problem as with Washington's wildfire policies. Save the planet and in doing so destroy the planet.
@@augustingarnier4625 can only imagine the lobbying to keep this on the down low
To many people you might sound like a conspiracy theorist.
But to those many people I say “Monsanto. Roundup. Cancer related disease class action settlements.” Sounds very familiar to what companies that sold asbestos containing products or Big Tobacco said. We should all think hard about why they wouldn’t want the bad news shared and what they would do to hide it
@Blacktailhunter69 Strange that they stopped burning the clearcuts and following nature, and went to chemicals. All in the name of global warming. Well done Washington.
I saw it too before I left the state. You knew when you were tracking a herd with a sick animal, it smelled rotten even in the tracks.
Its awesome to see you guys in Washington. Man what a dream it would be to be able to work with you guys. This is one of the areas i hunt and Its really cool to see you talking about hoof rot. I think the chemicals weyerhaeuser sprays on new clear cuts has a lot to do with it.
Good tough questions, good honest, thoughtful answers.
Great video. Cal does not disappoint.❤
Heartbreaking. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Welcome to Washington fellas! 😂 Home of the Governor who ran for President on a "Climate" agenda while having countless environmental disasters in his own back yard....
PNW is sofa king cool. I’ve hunted Lebam, love it. That’s hard to watch for a local.
So glad you guys are bring this up wherhausrr is to blame 💯
Great episode. Thanks for getting this out there.
Great episode, great information and very educational.
So glad to see you covering this, I am a bit north of the area you were hunting, we don't seem to have much hoof rot yet....But we have far far fewer elk than we did 15 or 20 years ago. Its crazy. I wish we could see a little more communication from WDFW. I am really not sure whats going on but it seems like the alarm should have gone of years ago yet it continues to be business as usual with WDFW
I see a hmong embroidery on the wall during the talk at the desk. Great info and video to provide some insight into this disease.
very sad, we need to figure this out.
Can you guys do a video on the taste of one of these infected elk? Or are you guys even eating/trying them?
the meat is unaffected. some people throw the quarter away that has the rot on it, some people eat it. meat tastes the same
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I harvested a bull with hoof rot in the same county as this one in 2010. It was in much worse shape then the one in this video. Sad to see things have only gotten worse.
I live in Hunt in Washington just got done with my two weeks in the woods chasing elk. We were on elk every day except for 2 days. Every herd we saw at least 15% were limping with hoof rot. Its hella sad to see.
Also I hunt very close to this area and had that bull with the funky horn on my trail cam while he was still in velvet 😂
Hard to watch those gorgeous creatures like that. Yes we do hunt. Yes we do kill. But it just once again proves that us hunters truly care about all things outdoors, we're not just mindless killers.
Welcome to Washington and the WDFW (worst department of fish and wildlife). They have no ideas on how to address this issue. Nor do they seem to care.
They probably do care ... about keeping it going. Having problems in the environment allow government agencies that are supposed to fix them to get funding. If they actually fix the problem, they can't get funding anymore and lose their jobs. It's the same reason why california still has a homelessness problem despite decades of promises to fix it.
Yep, no hurry let hunters stop hunting. Then they can stop selling tags and justify it, “ because nobody hunts “. The anti hunters are working for the state and their agenda is hard at work and they are playing the long game.
@@moneyandtimefreedom3352 Meanwhile, they also claim that the only valid reason for citizens to have guns at all is for hunting.
You are talking about the same State that FORCED all Game Wardens to get the jab. AND STILL MANDATE it to this day. Fired so many great protectors of our forests and wildlife because they purposely want it to be in shambles. Literally release wolves and now grizzles because people in Seattle want them BUT make sure they only put them in areas that don't come anywhere close to Seattle :)
Looks like cal scoped himself 😂😂
some information on TAHD: TAHD is spread when contaminated soil is transferred to new areas on the hooves of infected elk or on human shoes and tires. Scientists believe that treponeme bacteria can persist in moist soil. Treating disease in free-living wildlife is difficult, and similar actions to treat livestock are not practical. How can you help?
1) Leave Hooves of infected elk on site.
2) Report Observations of limping elk, and dead elk with hoof deformities to wildlife managers.
3) Clean off shoes or tires "before" leaving a TAHD area.
4) Incentives for hunters are offered by some wildlife departments to harvest TAHD infected elk.
Or....Ban the spraying of chemicals on their food source.
Anybody remember in the mid to late 90's when they brought in some rocky mountain elk and kept them in a fenced area for study about 10 miles north of Pe Ell? The conditions were foul for animals not native here. Only lasted a short while but we've always wondered if that ever had anything to do with it.
So sad, thanks for bringing awareness.
A hard video to watch! Are there any organizations that hunters/public can contribute to to help find answers and fight this disease? RMEF, the college doing the research, etc?
Yes, but it is a relief-as it always is on such matters-that hunters will be the primary gatherers of evidence in the field.
@@augustingarnier4625 Very true. And hunters will be the ones funding the research as well, most likely.
Well with the Tree huggers on Washington State far out numbering true conservationists of the wild... anyone who could do something is being payed off by Weyerhaeuser Tree Co
Amazing video. I hadn't even heard of it before watching. So scary to think of what this and all the diseases impacting whitetails could mean for the future of cervids.
Go Cougs!
Took an elk in 2005 in Colorado with this. Tracked it down in the snow because of that odd hoof, had no idea till I watched this what it was. No one official at the time could give me an answer. we ate the meat but have never seen one like that since.
Hoofrot in cows starts with cows standing in mud. But spreads without antibiotics
Penicillin will save a cow with hoofrot if caught soon enough
Im 1:20 in and already yes love this format. pls more the whole crew.
Am I understanding correctly that this disease traces back to Washington state? Specifically, west of I-5?
I live in Western Washington, and I’ve always enjoyed hunting. I’ve never heard much about this.
add to that bear, wolves, and cougars running out of control and thats a recipe for disaster.
In domestic livestock increasing zinc in the diet decreases foot rot..
How you help all the game species in SW Washington is stop the tree farming companies (Weyco) from using whatever chemicals are poisoning animals. End of story...PERIOD
I’m not sure why the USA deer population suffers from these diseases, hoof rot and cwd, here in Europe luckily we aren’t having the same scale of the problem, presumably animal population numbers are the main issue
Too highly concentrated herds
The the channel love your books but just noticed printed in China why ? Couldn't you have found a USA printer instead of outsourcing from China .
Does it only effect elk, or can it spread to things like deer as well?
What kind of bow does cal shoot?
Just tragic. This state mismanages its resources so much
If it's in the soil, my first question is how did it get there? Next would be treatment for acreage where the disease is found.
It's not only elk hooves, the local deer population "suddenly" developed hair loss disease around the same time timber corporations started spraying 10s of millions of gallons of chemicals on the the clearcuts.
A similar disease is found in cows. There used to be a lot of dairies in SW WA and the elk share these wet muddy fields.
I have long time hunters that originally daw this back in the 90s and named it club foot. Well it’s the same thing here (just named something different)… it is a direct result from weyerhauser properties and the big timber being able to spray their toxic ass “soup” which is causing iron deficiences in our elk! The fish and game wont do anything because theyre paid by daddy inslee…. Washington hunters need to stop buying tags before it’s too late. Ive seen first hand where elks flesh is literally rotting off their bodies and its 100 percent weyerhausers fucking fault!
Washington hunters are as greedy as the timber companies. They'll all sink the elk herd together.
This is terrible , I had no idea🥴!
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Does this spread to deer as well? Or moose ?
Jesus this is heartbreaking.
Does this affect mule deer or black tailed deer in the same area?
I have seen blacktail with it. Or something similar. But they aren’t usually herded up in the mud so it doesn’t really spread.
some say elk used to be plains ungulates, and that humans pushed them into the mountains before they could naturally adapt. myth or fact? who knows?
So glad i left Washington a year ago, beautiful landscape but straight up aweful living.
Living is fine. Wtf you talking about
@@Yettiattackthey probably think all of Washington rains all of the time lol.
Washington State is amazing. You got lovely forests being ruined by city dwelling Liberals who hate the wilderness, yet any chance they get they leave the horrible City of Seattle and destroy anything and everything they can with their dirty polluted city living. and the best part is, they control the state. So they are free to destroy their side as much as they want, then go on vacation and destroy the unruined areas. Thank you liberals of Seattle :)
Hope this helps get some attention to fix this problem. Seeing those elk is hard to watch.
As usual my prescription is more fire on the ground
Get more lions up there to thin the herd.
Herd? What herd! They are nearing extinction.
I was born and raised in Washington and the WDFW is a disgrace, they have destroyed that states hunting and fishing. Ridiculous that it’s used for political purposes.
Great Video but very sad!! 😔 😔 I have to wonder and hope they are exploring everything different from past elk to now. So rather you believe it or not they are spraying our skies with things we know nothing about!! Our trees are dying!! Our vital insects(bees) are dying! And our wildlife is dying!! I'm a hunter and I see these things! Why has this not excited until recently?? These kind of things did not exist when I was a kid!! Very Sad! 😔
Um I've been chasing Roosevelts as a regeneration forestry scientist since the early 2000's in this country. There is no way that chemistry designed to limit photosynthesis can possibly encourage bacteria. Bacteria move from animal to animal. They leave it in the soil and the herd transmits it to each other. I'd be looking at domestic undulates if we need a human link but I don't think the spirit of this video was to create misinformation or establish blame. Let's help the author spread the word about the disease with others in the field and get samples or other data to the scientist working to help the elk.... which will help those that like to hunt them.
LOL sure bud.
If it's so bad in this area, then please tell me why WDFW has increased the antlerless permits in this area for 2024? Did the same to the St Helens herd, and now there is hardly any elk left there. Total miss management from WDFW.
It can be a strategy to artificially thin herds to protect neighbouring ones. Its been used for cwd as well. Just my guess
The influence of influencers doesn’t help with the population either
They say there is no cure for wild animals based on practicality, yet cattle are treated on the farms. Why not broadcast medical pellets in areas elk frequent? Winter feeding stations ect. You dont have to treat the entire forest just areas herds visit.
The main treatment used in cattle is copper sulfate. Not sure how it would affect water sources and other eco systems. We use foot baths. It would be easy to put one right where Jason had his trail cam though.
That's hard to watch. Holy crap. Somebody needs to be held accountable, because that is definitely not natural.
"we're not looking for cures" because then we would lose our grant money.
She sure isn't in any hurry. Gotta milk that grant money.
Not to discredit phelps, antler growth is indeed motivated by injuries. But usually to the testicles. As antlers in all species not just elk are driven by testosterone.
We see deer with unjured legs and injured antlers that profoundly affect antler growth. I know nothing about elk though.
100% of the elk my family has killed with hoof rot (over 50 the last 20+ years) all of them have had antler abnormalities on the opposite side horn.
@@jasonphelps2843absolutely the same here too. 👍
Monsanto in their food chain?
weyerhaeuser has been buying up huge chunks of land and sometimes whole units, pretty suspiscious
Not going to fix the problem by just talking about about it .
Seems to me naturally that disease would create a lot of easy food for predators. Increasing their population until the disease wiped out.
Some ppl say spraying some say predators some say increased native hunting I do believe it’s a combo of it all I will say I’ve seen an increase in hunter numbers but harvest studies show a decrease in the amount of elk killed idk the answer but I’m sadly realizing in the past four years I had my great times in my teens and early twenty’s now I’m mid thirties and just this year felt some old injuries lol I’m still young but I know I can do what I did in the past just waking up and with less elk the ambition is fading don’t get me wrong 13 day season day in day I go balls to the wall but the decrease is a fact the answer is sadly not one simple thing it’s a multitude and if that isn’t fixed it’ll get worse
An anti forest spraying initiative is sorely needed in the supposedly "liberal/Green" State of Washington.
Hoof rot was fought in court and lost. Saying that the spray does not cause this. So i believe this im
Not sure I am not a scientist. It may come
From the actual gravel roads. Cattle get this a lot from being on a farm with lots of gravel. But who knows .
First I've heard of this ..looks awful
Can you eat infested elk?
Yes . I live and hunt in Washington
Yes
Oh yeah eat something that messes there horns up lol are you insane. New study suggests not to eat it not that you should need that. Your kids will have hands coming out their forheads
@@juspete5527 I wouldn’t eat. I don’t care what they say.
Disgusting. And nothing is being done
Herbicide spraying with warmer temperatures and lower food quality means animal's with lower immune systems and no way to fight this off. The state has a fancy research facility that has done nothing to stop this.
Good video, but all us locals know that it’s caused by all the logging companies spraying.
I'll tell you what put the hurt on idaho's elk. Wolves.
If there was a viable predators population the elk with these issues would be removed. What a horrible thing to see in our majestic elk herds.
Lol dumb.. we have way too many predators.
Ya, that is what I was thinking. There must be no predators, as these Elk would be easy kills.
youre not from Washington are you? there are too many predators.
Adding more predators was never the intent to make the various species more healthy. It was and is viewed by the anti-hunters as a method to make hunting unnecessary.
Nailed it bud@@soonerfrac4611
Without Steve I Bail!
Watch this one trust me
@@juspete5527I'll never trust you again.
lol its not the destruction of habit that is reducing numbers or actually causing the footroot lol no way is intensive corperate farming(that ammerica is famous for) to blame lol
All of it could be a factor imo.
No reason to think only one thing is to blame.
While I enjoy watching you show and your UA-cam channel please please stop "spot dropping " in southeast Alaska you have a following of 20 +million people your show has increased the volume of people coming here and taking the local resources and ruining many local spots for deer and fishing between you Randy Newberg and the keiffer brothers you guys have influence 1000s of youtubers to come to Southeast ak and northern alaska who normally would not have came here. Thank you your local Southeast AK residents.
As a veterinarian & former deer biologist, this is hard to watch. Foot root disease is increasing worldwide in livestock associated with an increase in soil humidity and changes in solid moisture and bacterial composition. The intriguing thing is that TAHD is associated with treponema (the spirochetal bacterial family that causes syphilis and pinta in humans). The baseline Koch postulates indicate that to incriminate an agent as the cause of the disease, the four postulates to be fulfilled in their current form, the identified organism must (1) be present in all cases of the disease; (2) be isolated from diseased animals (3) cause disease when reintroduced to a healthy susceptible animal model, and (4) then be isolated again from the new host (3 & 4 normally from controlled experiments). I wonder if the term "treponeme-associated " relates to the fact that Koch's postulates have not been successfully fulfilled, yet.
The scope kiss still brings a smile to my face , it reminds me of my first time 🤣
weyerhaeuser in my opinion is the contributing factor to the hoofrot. it showed up after they started spraying after clearcutting.
I agree!
"Certain" industrial practices are 100% degrading in various ways, our animal population, both Oregon and Washington, and have been doing so for at least a hundred years. Be it the old chemicals or new. They may act like they care about the animals, but they don't.
It's a disease, but there's other reasons/factors contributing to these kinds of things.
A hundred percent accurate
If that’s the case, most likely they sprayed an antibacterial agent and something that it could not eradicate became the dominant bacteria. The wetness of the weather is certainly not helping.
Then why don't we have it in oregon ?
Elk is a sad story here but would love to see meat eater come back for some blacktail its awesome to see familiar forests on this channel
Terrific program. Straightforward and well done. Thanks
I grew up about an hour and a half away from this area on the edge of Gifford Pinchot
Glad when I see all that rain that I moved to Texas but man it makes me emotional seeing the elk in such terrible shape….. I used to see herds of 70+ when driving home and dream about them as a little boy.
What a shame
Looks like ole Cal got kissed by his rifle scope😂 we now share the same scar. Great video and conservation 🇺🇸
I just finished up a trip out here for a high buck hunt; I’ll be coming back next year with a few other disabled veterans was planning something different then this video popped up. I’m a conservationist first, I’ll be looking into how I can help. I’d rather take a suffering animal over a trophy.
Me, too.
30 years in and they are still working on building test kits....
Ryan should really do meet and greets. I'd love to just say Hi. can't believe he was in Pullman!!
Makes me sick seeing that, as a Texan didn’t know this was going on.
Well there goes that state to hunt, pretty soon there will be no elk there anymore so sad thanks for the video
I don’t know that much I’m not an expert in this. In fact I’m an arborist in the Boise area. However I grew up in central Idaho on a cattle ranch and we always had what was called foot rot on our cattle. We primarily flood irrigated so we attributed to that. We used an antibiotic to treat it. Usually we used our capture gun rather than bringing them all the way back to the squeeze chute. I wonder what the environmental impact would be to treating standing water sources with an antibiotic to see if you could curb it. Even just a few wallows might make a difference.
I'm seeing lack of Elk in the South Fork,,,Flathead,,grizzley sign is Huge,,,lots wolf sign,,,little Elk sign
Good educational video. Thank you! And Jason seems to be a down to earth, genuine, successful entrepreneur.
At 23 second mark of Remi Warren's video "The Crown Bull I Danielle's Giant Elk With a Bow" we see the telltale deformed left antler. Sure hope they report that animal's location!
Watching those elk struggle to move and be in so much pain is just... it's heartbreaking. Uffdah.
This is so sad! I've never heard of this before. It seems odd that it would show up all of a sudden. Whatever changed when it first showed up must be the cause. Bacteria may be the result but not the cause of this condition