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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2021
- Episode 838
New toy came in a big brown UPS truck today. I needed an oscilloscope upgrade. First thing to do is a bandwidth speed test. This thing is fast.
Specs: www.rigolna.com/MSO5000/
To hack, I followed comment #1976 and used the file he posted: www.eevblog.com/forum/testgea...
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Wow, thank you. I'm shopping for my first scope and just saw your video. I know which scope to buy now. Great video. Really enjoyed your enthusiasm.
I’ve had my MSO5104, with LA probe kit for about 15 months. It too is now a MSO5354. I have little criticism for it, especially in light of its original REFURB price, which was significantly discounted from retail.
The included 350 MHz passive probes SEEM to be matched for a 350MhHz instrument. I don’t have a fast sine wave generator but do have a fast-rise pulse generator, (1.7ns speced). There is little visible difference between a properly terminated coax cable and the same signal measured with the included probes. I’m impressed.
Just like the old Tek 7000 series “Mainframe” scopes, you’ll have better performance using channels 1 & 3 instead of 1 & 2, in 2 channel operation. Channels 1 & 2 both share the same A-to-D ASIC as do channels 3 & 4. Using channels 1 & 3 gets full benefit of both ASICs. Three and four channel operation cause the ASIC sharing.
Regarding the Logic Analyzer specs, you’ll find:
·Standard 16 digital channels, just buy a PLA2216 active logic probe
·25 Mpts memory depth for the waveforms of all the digital channels
·Up to 1 GSa/s sample rate
·Hardware real-time waveform recording and playback functions
supported
·Mixed (analog channel and digital channel) trigger and decode supported
·Convenient digital channel grouping and group operation
From the manual:
Vertical System Digital Channel
Number of Channels - 16 input channels (D0~D15) (D0~D7, D8~D15)
Threshold Range - ±15.0 V, in 10 mV step
Threshold Accuracy - ±(100 mV + 3% of the threshold setting)
Threshold Selection - TTL(1.4 V), COMS5.0(2.5 V), COMS3.3(1.65 V), COMS2.5(1.25 V), COMS1.8(0.9 V), ECL(-1.3 V), PECL(3.7 V), LVDS(1.2 V), 0.0 V User (adjustable threshold for 8 channels in a group)
Max. Input Voltage - ± 40 V peak CAT I; transient overvoltage 800 Vpk
Max. Input Dynamic Range - ±10 V + threshold
Minimum Voltage Swing - 500 mVpp
The hack is still working in 2022! Great scope, but very noisy frontend!
How do I hack it? Where can I find that info?
How did you verify the sig gen was not rolling off?
Very nice scope. Thanks for the look.
Just a thought, I would hold onto the old one as a backup.
Already sold it. Needed the money as $900 is still a lot. I still have a TEK 336. I need to show that one someday.
Congratulations.
My first scope was a Rigol DS1054Z, just like the one you "threw away", and I though it was a good thing the bandwidth was significantly higher than stated. Then, I bought a second hand name brand scope, and was startled how much more accurate the front end filter was.
With so much higher bandwidth, one has to be *really* careful about the signal and sampling frequency, and be aware that maybe the active channels need to be reduced. A "trap for young players", as Dave would say.
What do you mean with "maybe the active channels need to be reduced"?
@@XD-nj7bc I mean that dsos, in order to increase sampling rate, do interleaving when some channels are off. So, if your scope has four channels, you'll see doubled sampling rate at 2 active channels, and quadrupled sampling rate with one active channel.
That can be useful if your front end filter is bad, and your probed signal has higher freq content, to prevent aliasing.
You do not want aliasing In a signal you're investigating.
8GSa/s is just amazing for this price tag.
I recently purchased 200 MHZ series Rigol scope and bandwidth upgraded to 350 M HZ. I decided to measures its bandwidth. So i was giving a 75 MHz Squarewave from STM32 development board(3 .3 V, gpio signal driven by timer) initially. while doing this i observed the squarewave is getting attentuated and loosing its shape.i have doubt like
1) shouldn't we use the PVP2350 probes to do this test?
2) shouldn't we use squarewave to test the bandwidth of the scope?
3) how to proove my scope is actually 350 MHz ?
replies would help me to understand more about the bandwidth
Thanks for posting this! I now own this scope THANKS TO YOU;) Do you know does this stop it from phoning home? What version of FW at you at now?And are there any tips you can impart about doing this? (so fresh in your mind) This will be my first mod and doing this is scaring the hell out of me. I should have my scope in about 5 days, I feel like a kid on the night before Christmas.
If you follow the link in the description, It will have the version number that is required. Mine came that way. I do not connect mine to a LAN so it cannot phone home. In the forum there is a hack that removed the phone home 'feature' but I have not tried it.
Did you get your scope upgraded? I keep getting error messages that it can't find the patch.txt file. Not a word on the forum about that error so far. I have the 5/4/2021 build of firmware 0a.01.03.00.01
Would you consider doing a follow-on video talking about the relative merits of analog vs digital scopes? For example, can this scope do everything a 350 MHz Tektronics analog (not hybrid) scope can do in terms of bandwidth?
I don't have a fast analog scope to compare. The older digitals had lots of issues. The newer ones are much better or as good as analog now. EEVBLOG has done some videos on this subject. Digital is way better in almost everything else even if the analog scope does better on a 350mhz modulated signal.
@@IMSAIGuy That about sums it up! :-)
Wow! Nice job sir!
Very nice. What were channels 3 and 4 used for in the default configuration ?
Nothing. they had caps on them telling you to upgrade
I like the video, I wish you wouldve have made one on how to hack it, as in step by step, I followed your link but cant find the files for the hack.
What's a good place to buy Rigol scopes and other quality instruments these days?
I got mine from: www.tequipment.net/
I have just upgraded my MSO5104. It is now a MSO5354, an amazing oscilloscope for 1000$ :)
Try a square wave (higher harmonics) increase the frequency and look at the frequency where the square wave deforms.
Christmas in July. Thank you for sharing.
Did Santa miss your house?
@@IMSAIGuy : he was a very naughty boy
@@chriswalford4161 🤣🤣😂🤣
Hey few questions:
1) Can you reset it to factory after hack?
2) what was the s/w build version of your scope
3) if upgraded to latest firmware can we still hack?
4) can we reset to factory firmware after the upgrade?
5) nowadays the scopes come with free option bundles. Is it possible to hack those scopes? The DSO1054z with free options nowadays restrict 100mhz and 500uv/d upgrade
1. I think so
2. same as the link I provide in description
3. I think so
4. see 1
5. I've hacked other Rigol, but each hack is very different
Does this method still work？
I also want to buy an MSO5072😀
Has anyone made a video on hacking these? I don't really want to try it without a walk through
Would you do a test up to 1 Ghz ?
Even if the Probes are the bottleneck i like to see how the Scope will display the wave.
With 8 GSa/s it sould be able to display up to 1,6Ghz if the input allow that.
will do a video
Holly f... this information costs
hundreds of dollars thank you very very much
I found a video on UA-cam of someone playing Doom on the scope. Definitely worth picking one up just for that :-)
just found that video. maybe I can watch the EEVBLOG on my scope
yes ...this option is definitely worth to buy the scope
Is this still possible to hack? On the edge of purchasing one.
How is the scope a 2 channel scope out of the box - and with the 2 channel model number - if it has 4 analog inputs on it?
software
@IMSAIGuy thanks for the reply. After I posted this, I looked up the oscilloscope online and realized Rigol only sells it with 4 channels. But in 2 channel versions they just lock the 3rd and 4th channels. Makes sense now.
Do I see clearly that there is noise about a fifth of the DIV? It doesn't look good.
I updated to the current firmware (V00.01.03.03.00) then ran the script that works with the updated firmware, apparently after a new firmware update is made available a new hack has to be created in the form of a script that is run the same way a firmware update is made on the MSO5000. I purchased the MSO5074 to get the 4 probes, Rigol’s PVP2350 probes are quite good probes. I too picked up the PLA2216 LA probe.
So, does the hack still work? I’m asking before I click buy and spend all the pennies I’ve saved to buy it. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks, as always!!
Hi, is it possible to still hack the Rigol scop MSO5072 or MSO5074 to MSO5354 I read that there are some issues with hack?
Check the link I provide in the description and look for recent posts.
I just got my 5074(came with free LA hw) with latest FW..03. Just did the deed... . works like a champ! All the best and whistles :)
@@imaginarypoint Did you use the same hack as in the description of this video?
@@Blartflart2234 - Yes! Set it up pretty much the day i got it. I even made a "HACK" stick with proper model numbers with same font as RIGOL... haha.
Has been working like a camp since. All the functions for i think i paid $900? Hope it is still up on the forum where i found it. If not let me know it is on my network somewhere. I can email you the ZIP. All you need is a USB key from what i remember. It was easy just need to read the instc.
Can you save setups on this scope?
Yes
I've heard that the hacking voids the warranty. If you need warranty service, let's say the screen loses one of the colors, can you uninstall the hack so it can be sent back for warranty repair? Assuming you do the uninstall, can they tell that you had hacked it and then reverted it?
I think you can. I read about some key press on power up that gets you to a menu to restore the firmware.
@@martinkuliza All good points. Mine came with a 3 year warranty. I hope I have as good service out of mine as you got from yours.
Thanks!
That signal generator was drifting big time
that was the little 1khz probe calibrator, not accurate. the generators are not drifting and pretty accurate
Hi , IMSAI Guy! I have read that forum, all pages. Different authors propouse different way to upgrade, i could not to understand true way. Could you write by steps what to do and what files you used, because i am scary to block my worked osciloscope. Best regards.
comment #2558
@@IMSAIGuy Thanks for the update. It was nearly impossible to find the step by step instructions amongst the thousands of posts on eevblog. The original comment #1976 you posted didn't seem to give any instructions. Perhaps the posting numbers change if someone deletes their post. Post #2558 has a step by step guide and with that I'm going to purchase the scope and upgrade too.
@@todddecker8698 i had hacked my 5074 to 5354 . i did it and filmed video on my YT channel
Just one question: how is the fft?
Much better than my last scope. see it in action: ua-cam.com/video/XiK31s8qpDk/v-deo.html
how did you hack it? What is a link to instructions?
read the description
Will this scope give reliable resaults after the hack?
yes
Unofficial unlock.
You just sold a new Scope :) I had the 1054z hacked as well. Time to an upgrade. Scope is ordered, thanks for sharing! I like your video by the way. Very informative. Keep going. Yannick
Already received, upgrade with the last firmware + patched. I did follow the comment #2208 instead to have the latest firmware. Thank you.
nuevo suscriptor ...........excelente ....voy a comprar uno y me guio por su video.....seria bueno un tutorial ...de como hacerlo.....aplausos
nice!!
Were do you find that for $900???
www.tequipment.net/Rigol/MSO5074/Digital-Oscilloscopes/?rrec=true
looks like the sale is over. 999 now
@@IMSAIGuy That's for the four channel scope, I found it listed for $909.00 for the two channel.
@@glendonblount6556 the software upgrade turns on channels 3 and 4
I blame you for causing me to buy one of these scopes. I'll be sure to tell my wife it's all your fault. Looks like there's a DIY logic probe or two project out there. I have those parts and board on the way, too. New tool that brings its own projects along, too.
Sorry honey. I'm a bad influence.
If we don't hear from you again, we'll assume that the FBI caught up with you! LoL!
Unfortunately before I saw this video I had purchased a Keysight scope for right at $2000 that has half the performance and has a user interface that will utterly confuse you to screaming! Oh well. I do have a Tektronix 1 ghz scope for the fast work so I guess I will keep the Keysight for a while.
Now it just needs to be calibrated.
I did the calibration. Took a long time
This model has self calibration function. Takes like 20-30 min.
@@MrNicklinux So how do we know the reference in the instrument is accurate? That's the purpose of a calibration. It confirms that it agrees with an external reference that in turn agrees with a more accurate master reference.
I just want to leave a comment to say thanks! Got mine working most excellent. Going to make a little sticker with same yellow RIGOL font to read "HACKED" :)
Nice scope, Horrific price. $300 just for a cable ? OMG.
It is not just a cable. It has 16 1GHZ comparators and protection circuits. The pod at the end gets quite warm.
There is a DIY version of this that is being sold for $50. I would like to get one to see how it performs.
@@IMSAIGuy Oh, O.K. I thought all that was built into the scope.
@@IMSAIGuy do you have a link for the DIY probe?
@@RemcoStoutjesdijk search eBay for PLA2216
It annoys me the way scope manufacturers sell you a fully featured high bandwidth scope and then cripple it with software limitations. Siglent and Rigol could sweep up the mainstream scope market if they sold scopes in the 500MHz - 1.5GHz region for a reasonable price with all options enabled (i.e. don't have any software options!!).
Can I "hack" my Tektronix 2236? haha
YES! there are online service manuals with schematics! You can add a BNC and use the input amps for other purposes. Software hack? maybe not so much 😎
Using a hack to obtain capabilities is a violation of ethics, in my humble opinion. It is no different using a student version of an application to do professional work. Or walking into a bank and walking out with a thousand or two. Or shop lifting from the local Home Depot.
of course for you it was easy to write that comment sitting in your golden palace after having lunch caviar
Actually Its a good marketing plan by Rigol. Corporate buyers pay the full price but hobbyists will still buy the scope knowing they can improve it for nothing. It doesn't cost Rigol any extra.
i wouldn't be bragging about "hacking" the scope's propriety software to increase its value on youtube
I don't believe any laws were broken. When you pay money to buy something outright, you own it, you can do whatever you want with it. You don't have to ask for permission to modify it.
In my opinion, Rigol is counting on hobbiest doing this, otherwise they wouldn't include the hardware and software for a higher model in the base model. They would just make two completely different models. And it's working. You basically just watched a video proclaiming what a great deal a Rigol is.
If he hit the scope with a sledgehammer and reduced its value should he not be allowed to upload to UA-cam ? Hacking is a thing. Rigol knows hobbyists do this and it's in their best interest to not antagonize otherwise they'd sell much fewer scopes. This voids your warranty and IMSAI guy is free (thankfully) to make his own choices.
@@vincei4252 Good concept, although I would follow the old addage; beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
Oh c’mon ! Rigor is a well aware of this hack.. it’s been going on for years ! There are many forums that discuss this in a very fine details. Let’s be honest, this scope gained popularity just because of this hack ! I sure wouldn’t buy one for $1200 with 70MHZ bandwidth if I knew I had to pay over $2k to get it upgraded to 350Mhz.
The point is, people know this, Rigol knows this and they are allowing it to happen, simply because they know perfectly well that if they make it impossible to hack, nobody would buy it. Lets face it, the thing is glitchy, boot time wait is long, and if I would have to pay over $5k for glitches this thing has, I would be pissed… don’t get me wrong, it’s a great little scope for the money, assuming you can open up all the options…
Pretty much all the digital scopes can be hacked, they don't get hacked if they are several thousand dollars since no one wants to take that risk. When they sent an early demo model to Dave of EEVBLOG he suggested if the scope was hacked it would be difficult to keep on the shelf, do you think Rigol and Siglent would keep sending him scopes knowing that all the hacks are released on his site.
This is all fake like most UA-cam videos! The post on eevblog is useless as it just talks about different firmware versions so I doubt there is any way to hack this model. Also I don't believe it can go up to 500 Mhz either, that's impossible!
I suggest you pay full price then.
I'm curious about your impossible comment. Looks like you have a TEK 454 100MHz scope. TEK made 500MHz scope didn't they? anyway this scope is 8 giga samples per seconds. If you understand Nyquist sampling theory, do the calculation for maximum frequency.
@@IMSAIGuy It doesn't matter since they don't have the hack available for any current versions of firmware on eevblog anyway! It's all just a scheme to sell more scopes by releasing the rumor they can be hacked!
@@stevec5000 I have the very latest firmware and the hack works on that. I hope you can learn from this channel and not just complain.
I did the same mod to my DSO5104. I connected it up to an RF signal generator. Running on channel 1 only, it was dead flat up to 500MHz, and rolled off to -3dB ay 650MHz. The probes, not so good. They were all over the place above 100MHz. But they are cheap $20 Chinese probes, stamped with the letters PVP2350. It takes big $ to get really good probes.
The original post on eevblog about hacking of this is over 100 pages.
Do you know which reply contains newest info on step by step hack?
I started at the most recent and went backwards in the comments until I found what I needed
@@IMSAIGuy Which page?
It is common to share an ADC between two channels, Hence when you turned on ch2 the level dropped.
A 4 channel scope will usually have 2 ADCs
Redo the test but turn on ch3 r5ather than ch2 and see if that does the same, better still feed in the same signal to ch3 and see if both channels work at the 500Mhz level. Hopefully you will fing that you have two channels that run at the max speed.
Nice looking scope, I'm sure you will enjoy using it.
Scope probes - they vary I have a couple of 350Mhz probes for my Siglent, but I generally use a set of cheapo ebay 100Mhz probes for most work. I'm not so fussed if they get mangled :-)
The logic probe, expensive option - but I did the same and bought the logic probe for my Siglent as well, The first time you need to do a bit of decoding, they pay for themselves.
Andy
Good call:
one channel 8Gs/s
chan 1 and 3 4Gs/s
chan 1 and 2 2 Gs/s
never lower than 2Gs/s