Good review. I stopped buying Rigol in general for any of lab equipment. Rigol’s support is non-existent. After hardware release they don‘t update the FW anymore and ignore my support questions. Unfortunately I cannot recommend Rigol at all!
Great review! It’s important to adjust the time scale for the FFT to display more information on the screen. Bedankt voor de vergelijking tussen de scopes👍🏼
Thanks, yes i should have changed some settings, i used everything in its default, i am not a real advanced user and still wanted to show some feathers.
Thank you! yes great scopes both, i think i go for the Siglent, its just fits in the spot of my old Siglent and i am just used to the menu. with the Rigol i find myself looking and looking before i find the right options. that 12 bit is also very nice, also both scope just respond so much faster then my old 8 bit.
@@TonyAlbus For my occasional use I can handle a couple of extra lumps with 8 bit but definitely both nice scopes, really like the slim form factor of the Rigol. I have actually a video of the Telonic stand from hamfest in my latest video.
Hi Tony, again a nice first comparison! I had the SDS800 for some month and upgraded to the SDS2000HD now. It is worth mentioning that the small Siglent comes like its bigger brothers with digital filters, Bode plot, function generator and a very good FFT up to 2 MPoints. I have no experience with Rigol, but the small Siglent brings a lot value for less money!
Thanks! i must say i like the SDS800 a lot for my use its good enough, i was indeed surpriced about how well the FFT works, the digital filters i still need to try. the SDS2000HD must be amazing!
Years ago, a manufacturer of heavy tube amplifiers, in Tennessee (US), and the CEO was a friend of mine, started using the same white foam. They had to build the thickness up then, too. However, as heavy as those were, say about 18 kilos for the power supply, none were damaged in shipping after that. I just received a Fluke 6061 RF Gen. packed that way with no damage whatsoever. It's good stuff. I'm telling you, the Rigol looks spookily similar to the LeCroy WaveRunner; the Siglent, not so much. However, there's a huge price difference between the Rigol and LeCroy in the tens of thousands of US $. To be honest, I like the Rigol's layout.
@@TonyAlbus Yes, the 6061 is supposed to be super clean on SSB and FM, which is why I bought it. I've not studied the differences, yet, between the 6060 and 6061, but I'd imagine I'll find added filter circuits somewhere.
Siglent produces a lot equipment for LeCroy, you find a lot of LeCroys knowledge in theirs scopes. And the aftermarket support is remarkable. I have now 7 Siglent devices on my bench and they all came well (double) packed. The only downside of the 800HD is the very noisy fan!
@@derdoktor7123 Yes i love Siglent too, except for the PSU i have. But the fan from this scope is okey in my stack, but on the table it was load indeed from both
Very interesting, I like the compactness of the Rigol for when I am travelling, presumably it can be powered from a USB battery bank. The menu does look a bit cluttered though and I would need to build some electronic trickery as it only seems to have the one waveform generator channel unlike the MSO5000. I have never owned any Siglent test apparatus, it would be nice to take a look at some of it at some point. Thanks for the informative review.
I had the Rigol, it was buggy, so i went to the siglent, but it has its hidden bugs and issues too! Since something is happening at Rigol, and one dude customized the whole GUI, i am thinking of going back to the rigol.
@@TonyAlbus Yes, it's a significant step forward from the low cost X-E models and also shares the same GUI as the $ top models and their mouse and touch control capability. Many were waiting for a comparison vid so I linked yours in the EEVblog SDS800X HD thread.
@@tautech8196 Its the perfect upgrade from my SDS1202X-E. The SDS800X-HD is super packed with feathers and perfect for my use as a less advanced user. The FFT blew me away btw... this is serous stuff Siglent added in the 800X-HD. Thanks for adding my video.
Yes that is very possible, i am not a very advanced user and this was also a great change to see which scope has the most friendly defaults But i for sure get your point, if the resolutions was set better we could have seen the harmonics. but i left it in default.
I bought the sds812x HD as my first scope on a ~470 dollar budget. I had no idea it was so easily hackable, i didn't know it was hackable at all! If i knew then what i know now, i would have got the 804 and hacked it to the 824! Then i would have 4 channels at 200 MHz. Would have needed new probes though. I'm a beginner and have already found myself wanting 3+ channels. I'm satisfied with 2 though.
This scope is amazing as a first scope, and i know what you mean about the upgrade, its very easy. Still even you paid for 812, its worth every penny, its very very capable. enjoy!
The Rigol seems to have loads of options but I find the interface a little too cluttered/unintuitive but its also a matter of getting used to of course. Form factor is actually nice, it will fit to a Vesa wall mount/monitor arm which could be convenient but in most cases could stand just as well as the Siglent. As mentioned before, the X-Y mode probably works just fine as with the Siglent, its most likely indeed due to the memory depth setting which is not enough to make the full drawing therefore giving the impression of a trigger issue. It's a shame the Rigol DMM858, which has the same form-factor as this Rigol scope, turned out to be such an abomination of a multimeter because they go really nicely together and prices are good.
My previous scope was Rigol my new one is Siglent. The reason is the tiny non replacable (2000 era) GPU style fan. For that reason alone i would pass on the Rigol .
De nieuwe Rigols hebben echt een mooie user interface, draait volgens mij op Android 7 meen ik weleens gezien te hebben. Eind afgelopen jaar was er een actie, heb toen voor iets meer dan €500 die simpelste 10 inch gekocht, voor dat geld kon ik het echt niet laten liggen 🙂
Ja zo'n del kan je niet laten gaan!! .. ik moet zelf erg wennen aande UI van Rigol, maar inderdaad er zijn vele die het geweldig vinden, ze kunne ook wel erg veel.
My SDS812X HD seems to boot much faster than any i see on youtube. I believe the latest firmware optimized the boot time and the units haven't been updated yet.
Nice review Tony. Rigol is really slim size, but okay, without the power supply in it, but still. I am also more of a Siglent user, Rigol looks to me more "crowdy", the screen and buttons. Siglent seems a bit more professional to me. Rigols has some minor plus points: USB C PS and HDMI.
Attention: In vector mode or normal mode (wfm/s) are 120.000 (Siglent SDS822 and 824 XHD) and 30.000 (Rigol) not 1.000.000. In acquisition or sequence mode 500.000 (all 12-bit Siglent) and 1.000.000 (Rigol). So in normal vector mode the Siglent is 4 times better to find your glitch then the Rigol. (WARNING: Siglent DHO804 is 80.000 wfm/s in vectromode). So inconvient that you didn't have a short recording of the fan noise. It's a upper for the Rigol but it seems that sometimes it smells a bit plastic (watch other videos). The Rigol is very neat and slim and the Siglent is bulky. But the equations of BW, Sampling and memory are better. The Rigol has 200uv/DIV vertical but where can I find its noise level at maximum bandwidth? Siglent claims 70uV at 70MHz. I don't know if Rigol (without S) provides afoortable Generators. Siglent does from around 200 euro you'll be able to buy and make bode plots. Some convert FFT to bode plot. The Siglent has 2Mpoints twice as much as The Rigol Series. The Rigol has better probes! and low noise and better vertical. But please read the reviews and comment below before you decide. Have Fun. be Safe. Arrividerci!
I would love to see how they perform with bode plotting and what the differences in settings/possibilities are. The siglent might not have a built in AWG, but I see a siglent AWG in your equipment stack, so you could use that one. It just connects with usb (or lan)
Bedankt voor de review Tony. Is de RIGOL altijd zwevend ? Zodra je hogere voltages wil meten niet vergeten te aarden met de bijgeleverde kabel ?? Is the RIGOL always floating unless you ground it with the supplied grounding cable ?
This Lite-On PSU in a Rigol has small SMD resistors between PE and common ground. I tested it with Riso meter with 1 kV test voltage and it failed. Use it connected to PE with supplied wire or use better PSU.
Could you do the following measurement? 50kHz on just one channel, timebase 500ns, Segmented mode (nothing else activated), sample rate as low as possible, to get the longest capture time. Make sure, that the trigger actually triggers on every edge. And see which scope can capture the longest, without missing one single edge. My SDS814X HD maxed out at 620ms (500MSa/s). If i go lower with the samplerate, the capture time is longer, BUT it only captures every 2nd edge!
Number of bugs in a Rigol DHO800/DHO900 is insane. Practically this is unusable. Also, You have sinc interpolation which You can't turn off, which is very bad when measuring higher frequencies.
Thanks for sharing, maybe those bugs will be fixed. some bugs will be harder then others. i have the Siglent myself, but it prob also had bugs. good thing is, both brands are doing fixes. its a matter of time if it is only firmware solution.
Prima keuze, mijn eerste digitale was die witte op beeld de SDS1202X-E en die is net als de nieuwe SDS800X-HD super gebruiks vriedelijk als je in het begin nog niet zo handig er mee bent. de standaard instellingen zijn zo slim gekozen, dat je er eigelijk altijd wel iets goeds uit krijgt. Op de oude scopes was trigger soms erg lasstig, sinds het digitale tijdperk speeld dat helemaal niet meer. je gaat er zeker veel plezier mee hebben.
@@TonyAlbus Thanks Tony! En mocht ik er niet uitkomen dan kan ik altijd een van je videos raadplegen :D Ik heb de scope zojuist ontvangen samen met de peak esr70 dus ik kan op onderzoek uit vandaag. Fantastisch om nieuwe gear te kopen altijd!
I recently designed an interface with 1Gbps signals. I went with the common rules of thumb and it works but I was "blind" with my 2Gs/s scope and couldn't have debuged in case of.
This is really one review I was waiting for! I have a Rigol 2000 series scope and now a Keysight 2000 series scope. The 2 things I began to dislike about the Rigol is that the screen is getting very "cluttered" and the important measurements are in the smallest font known to mankind. The Keysight gives me a better GUI with the measurements I WANT on screen being much larger. Despite many pleas with Rigol from the community they seem to think that a 0.000001 point font is fine. I wanted to pick up the new Rigol, but the Siglent is just "cleaner" to read. Over the years I have regretted the Rigol I bought, despite the price and at the time capabilities. Man, they are running very close these days, making the decision between Siglent and Rigol a tough one. I think overall Keysight's GUI is just better and more logical, but of course it is in a whole other price level....... Bottom line is that I don't care how capable a scope is if the user interface just doesn't "flow". So just offhand, which do YOU favor and why?
Thank you! and thank you for sharing, yes the Rigol is also not mu choice, but its more becouse i am use to Siglent with very friendly default, with rigol, becouse it can do so much, it quickly is behind many menus. its prob just gatting use too. i think i go for the Siglent.
A mature GUI is also part of the development, and does/should cost more. Rigol has copied some things from Rohde & Schwarz, but obviously not enough. Siglent on the other hand has the Teledine LeCroy GUI I suppose, but they have some cooperation too, as I recall.
Меня больше забавляет тот факт, что обе компании сделали огромный экран, хотя по факту само изображение такое же как у младших моделей. Но у этих прам так и режут глаза эти не задействованные чёрные полосы по краям экрана.
13:40 Было бы интересно измерить ёмкость щупов у Siglent и у Rigol. Т.к. такие резкие всплески импульсов сглаживает ёмкость щупов, и похоже именно на Rigol эта ёмкость минимальна.
Tony, for about 5 years I own a Hantek DSO4204B which at the time was the cheapest 4Ch scope i could find. OK it's not the best one, and certainly has it's software issues (looks like it's running on MicroSoft how stupid can you be). Then so far it always helped me out, though I'd like something beter. Seeing your excelent review I doubt the Siglent or the Rigol would be an improvement. I mean, what catches my eye imidiately, NO EXT TRIGGER !!!! I'm sorry, that really is a NO GO for me ! Maybe y just should consider a 6ch scope... but pfff $$$$ 😟
@@TonyAlbus Well the problem is that i often need 4 channels independend from trigger. Even my old Fluke scope lacks this extra input. 6Ch scopes are just unaffordable. Dank voor je reactie.
@@zdzisiek1979 ha, good question, I bought the cheapest 4 channel Rigol because there was a discount for it, because the Wi-Fi works pretty well and because the logic analyser probe can be added even for the cheapest Rigol, while the probe for Siglent is more expensive due to being a complex and almost autonomous device. On the other hand many people say that Siglent user interface is better and the sampling rate is higher. "Unlocking" is easy in both cases.
I guess the XY mode on Rigol is unstable, because the buffer is set to store only 10k samples. Rigol sets it like this after every turn on and I found no solution to set it bigger by default. The same happens to the probe attenuation - after reboot it is always set to 1x. As far as I know release of the new firmware is expected till the end of this year so maybe some bugs will be fixed. I'm a bit surprised that the overshoot is that big - how clean is the signal from your generator? Do you have a snapshot of it for reference? Thank you for the video and cheers :)
As with most scopes, the Rigol has an option to boot with default settings or boot with settings from the last time. So it will remember probe 10x etc if you want. There has been at least 1 firmware update, but you now seem to have to register for an account on the website and login first before you see the latest fw.
Thanks! yes i am sure i did something wrong on the Rigol, i am used to Siglent and they have very friendly defaults. About the LeoBodner, i am sur ethis is clean, but maybe this inline terminator needs to be replaced, i did not change to see if there is a change, i will check that, thanks.
Sorry to hear that, i read the same in the comments about Rigol, i hope these are expeptions. Expensive equipment i try to buy from a local retailer or very well known webshop, so when problems arrive i can call the retailer and not needed to go after the producer itself. Still i think they need to offer support directly too.
@@norbert.kiszka They replied, they just refused to help. It was a $500 new power supply that had a design defect. It worked fine for about 4 months, then started boot looping. They knew it was a problem but refused to tell me what was wrong. I finally figured out it was an under spec'd rectifier. I replaced it with a bigger one, and it has been fine since.
@@moki123g not only China companies are like that. They don't give a s... Especially employees which does first contact with You. Their job is to keep their job - nothing more and nothing less. You can chose Rigol, Keysight, Tek or anything - all of them makes a cr*p in last couple years. So You can chose between bad and between bad.
Hi Tony. It was a good comparison. It helps us make better decisions.👍
Thank you!
Good review. I stopped buying Rigol in general for any of lab equipment. Rigol’s support is non-existent. After hardware release they don‘t update the FW anymore and ignore my support questions. Unfortunately I cannot recommend Rigol at all!
Thanks. and thank you for sharing, yes service is also a big part to take into account.
My SDS 824x bandwidth actually measures out at >230MHz, had it a couple of months now, really love it!
Thats great! , yes mine also about that, and with a different terminator my risetime was even below 1.4 nS, matching teh Rigols risetime.
Great review! It’s important to adjust the time scale for the FFT to display more information on the screen. Bedankt voor de vergelijking tussen de scopes👍🏼
Thanks, yes i should have changed some settings, i used everything in its default, i am not a real advanced user and still wanted to show some feathers.
These were at the National Hamfest a few days ago at the Telonic stand, looked very nice. Brilliant hands on review Tony, thanks.
Thank you! yes great scopes both, i think i go for the Siglent, its just fits in the spot of my old Siglent and i am just used to the menu. with the Rigol i find myself looking and looking before i find the right options.
that 12 bit is also very nice, also both scope just respond so much faster then my old 8 bit.
@@TonyAlbus For my occasional use I can handle a couple of extra lumps with 8 bit but definitely both nice scopes, really like the slim form factor of the Rigol. I have actually a video of the Telonic stand from hamfest in my latest video.
Excellent comparison .. Thank You for sharing .. Cheers :)
Thank you!
Hi Tony, again a nice first comparison! I had the SDS800 for some month and upgraded to the SDS2000HD now. It is worth mentioning that the small Siglent comes like its bigger brothers with digital filters, Bode plot, function generator and a very good FFT up to 2 MPoints. I have no experience with Rigol, but the small Siglent brings a lot value for less money!
Thanks! i must say i like the SDS800 a lot for my use its good enough, i was indeed surpriced about how well the FFT works, the digital filters i still need to try. the SDS2000HD must be amazing!
In the EEVBLOG you find also the improvement procedures someone could need 😊
@@derdoktor7123 i know someone who bought a 804 :)
Years ago, a manufacturer of heavy tube amplifiers, in Tennessee (US), and the CEO was a friend of mine, started using the same white foam. They had to build the thickness up then, too. However, as heavy as those were, say about 18 kilos for the power supply, none were damaged in shipping after that.
I just received a Fluke 6061 RF Gen. packed that way with no damage whatsoever. It's good stuff.
I'm telling you, the Rigol looks spookily similar to the LeCroy WaveRunner; the Siglent, not so much. However, there's a huge price difference between the Rigol and LeCroy in the tens of thousands of US $. To be honest, I like the Rigol's layout.
Thanks for sharing, cool that Fluke, nice!!
@@TonyAlbus Yes, the 6061 is supposed to be super clean on SSB and FM, which is why I bought it. I've not studied the differences, yet, between the 6060 and 6061, but I'd imagine I'll find added filter circuits somewhere.
Siglent produces a lot equipment for LeCroy, you find a lot of LeCroys knowledge in theirs scopes. And the aftermarket support is remarkable. I have now 7 Siglent devices on my bench and they all came well (double) packed. The only downside of the 800HD is the very noisy fan!
@@derdoktor7123 Yes i love Siglent too, except for the PSU i have. But the fan from this scope is okey in my stack, but on the table it was load indeed from both
Very interesting, I like the compactness of the Rigol for when I am travelling, presumably it can be powered from a USB battery bank. The menu does look a bit cluttered though and I would need to build some electronic trickery as it only seems to have the one waveform generator channel unlike the MSO5000. I have never owned any Siglent test apparatus, it would be nice to take a look at some of it at some point. Thanks for the informative review.
I had the Rigol, it was buggy, so i went to the siglent, but it has its hidden bugs and issues too! Since something is happening at Rigol, and one dude customized the whole GUI, i am thinking of going back to the rigol.
Thank you!
Good work Tony.
Enjoy your SDS804X-HD.
Thanks Rob! .. The 804 is great!
@@TonyAlbus Yes, it's a significant step forward from the low cost X-E models and also shares the same GUI as the $ top models and their mouse and touch control capability.
Many were waiting for a comparison vid so I linked yours in the EEVblog SDS800X HD thread.
@@tautech8196 Its the perfect upgrade from my SDS1202X-E. The SDS800X-HD is super packed with feathers and perfect for my use as a less advanced user.
The FFT blew me away btw... this is serous stuff Siglent added in the 800X-HD. Thanks for adding my video.
You may want to review how FFT is calculated and adjust your time scale on the other scope to improve the harmonic picture...
Yes that is very possible, i am not a very advanced user and this was also a great change to see which scope has the most friendly defaults
But i for sure get your point, if the resolutions was set better we could have seen the harmonics. but i left it in default.
Nice to hear from you again!
Thank you!
@@TonyAlbus Thank you too! :)
Great review Tony. Thanks for sharing. 👍
Thanks Dave!
Excellent comparison.
I would have liked to see a comparsion of the input noise, not a conparison of the specs.
Thank you. on paper its 70uV for the Siglent and 200uV for the Rigol.
I bought the sds812x HD as my first scope on a ~470 dollar budget. I had no idea it was so easily hackable, i didn't know it was hackable at all! If i knew then what i know now, i would have got the 804 and hacked it to the 824! Then i would have 4 channels at 200 MHz. Would have needed new probes though. I'm a beginner and have already found myself wanting 3+ channels. I'm satisfied with 2 though.
This scope is amazing as a first scope, and i know what you mean about the upgrade, its very easy.
Still even you paid for 812, its worth every penny, its very very capable. enjoy!
The Rigol seems to have loads of options but I find the interface a little too cluttered/unintuitive but its also a matter of getting used to of course.
Form factor is actually nice, it will fit to a Vesa wall mount/monitor arm which could be convenient but in most cases could stand just as well as the Siglent.
As mentioned before, the X-Y mode probably works just fine as with the Siglent, its most likely indeed due to the memory depth setting which is not enough to make the full drawing therefore giving the impression of a trigger issue.
It's a shame the Rigol DMM858, which has the same form-factor as this Rigol scope, turned out to be such an abomination of a multimeter because they go really nicely together and prices are good.
Thanks for your comment, yes i agree, and indeed i left all the defaults as they were. and Siglent apperenly has very friendly defaults.
My previous scope was Rigol my new one is Siglent. The reason is the tiny non replacable (2000 era) GPU style fan. For that reason alone i would pass on the Rigol .
EEVblog did a teardown on teh Rigol, the fan runs very slow on 8 volt, not 12, it prob runs forever, but agreed it seems very fragile.
De nieuwe Rigols hebben echt een mooie user interface, draait volgens mij op Android 7 meen ik weleens gezien te hebben.
Eind afgelopen jaar was er een actie, heb toen voor iets meer dan €500 die simpelste 10 inch gekocht, voor dat geld kon ik het echt niet laten liggen 🙂
Ja zo'n del kan je niet laten gaan!! .. ik moet zelf erg wennen aande UI van Rigol, maar inderdaad er zijn vele die het geweldig vinden, ze kunne ook wel erg veel.
My SDS812X HD seems to boot much faster than any i see on youtube. I believe the latest firmware optimized the boot time and the units haven't been updated yet.
It prob. has more to do that AutoCal on 2 channels is twice as fast as on 4 Channels
@@TonyAlbus You know, i never thought of that. That makes perfect sense.
Nice review Tony. Rigol is really slim size, but okay, without the power supply in it, but still. I am also more of a Siglent user, Rigol looks to me more "crowdy", the screen and buttons. Siglent seems a bit more professional to me. Rigols has some minor plus points: USB C PS and HDMI.
What do you say about this? ua-cam.com/video/mT4ivaMY7zg/v-deo.html There is some potential!
Thanks! Yes i forgot the connect a big screen to the HDMI, well i have no space for an extra screen :)))
@@TonyAlbus Devices with HDMI have a big plus. The view is very good. But even though, for me not a reason to go for a certain model.
@@ernestb.2377 jeps same here :)
Attention: In vector mode or normal mode (wfm/s) are 120.000 (Siglent SDS822 and 824 XHD) and 30.000 (Rigol) not 1.000.000. In acquisition or sequence mode 500.000 (all 12-bit Siglent) and 1.000.000 (Rigol). So in normal vector mode the Siglent is 4 times better to find your glitch then the Rigol. (WARNING: Siglent DHO804 is 80.000 wfm/s in vectromode). So inconvient that you didn't have a short recording of the fan noise. It's a upper for the Rigol but it seems that sometimes it smells a bit plastic (watch other videos). The Rigol is very neat and slim and the Siglent is bulky. But the equations of BW, Sampling and memory are better. The Rigol has 200uv/DIV vertical but where can I find its noise level at maximum bandwidth? Siglent claims 70uV at 70MHz. I don't know if Rigol (without S) provides afoortable Generators. Siglent does from around 200 euro you'll be able to buy and make bode plots. Some convert FFT to bode plot. The Siglent has 2Mpoints twice as much as The Rigol Series. The Rigol has better probes! and low noise and better vertical. But please read the reviews and comment below before you decide. Have Fun. be Safe. Arrividerci!
Thank you for this extra information, very good info!..
Great review thank you
Thanks!
I would love to see how they perform with bode plotting and what the differences in settings/possibilities are.
The siglent might not have a built in AWG, but I see a siglent AWG in your equipment stack, so you could use that one. It just connects with usb (or lan)
There is a small change the Siglent stays :)))
Bode plot in a Rigol is unusable. You can chose between view in a table or graph. Both gives "little" different results.
Bedankt voor de review Tony. Is de RIGOL altijd zwevend ? Zodra je hogere voltages wil meten niet vergeten te aarden met de bijgeleverde kabel ??
Is the RIGOL always floating unless you ground it with the supplied grounding cable ?
Thanks! Volgens mij moet je echt de kabel gebruiken. dat kan wel soms een groot voordeel zijn.
This Lite-On PSU in a Rigol has small SMD resistors between PE and common ground. I tested it with Riso meter with 1 kV test voltage and it failed. Use it connected to PE with supplied wire or use better PSU.
@@norbert.kiszka Thanks for sharing your test
Hi, do you know that there is an alternative extended UI for the DHO800-900 oscilloscope? that UI adds a full screen option and other enhancements.
Hi, i have not heard of that yet, seems interesting if it would excist.
Could you do the following measurement? 50kHz on just one channel, timebase 500ns, Segmented mode (nothing else activated), sample rate as low as possible, to get the longest capture time. Make sure, that the trigger actually triggers on every edge. And see which scope can capture the longest, without missing one single edge. My SDS814X HD maxed out at 620ms (500MSa/s). If i go lower with the samplerate, the capture time is longer, BUT it only captures every 2nd edge!
The Rigol and Siglent are has been send back, but i have an 804X myself.
Number of bugs in a Rigol DHO800/DHO900 is insane. Practically this is unusable. Also, You have sinc interpolation which You can't turn off, which is very bad when measuring higher frequencies.
Thanks for sharing, maybe those bugs will be fixed. some bugs will be harder then others. i have the Siglent myself, but it prob also had bugs. good thing is, both brands are doing fixes. its a matter of time if it is only firmware solution.
@@TonyAlbus in case of a Rigol, this can take years.
@@norbert.kiszka i stick to Siglent then, i am very happy with it, and it fits perfecly in the space of my old SDS1202X-E
Ik heb de 70hz versie gister besteld Tony! Dit word mijn eerste scope dus ik ben extreem enthousiast! Uiteraard bij eleshop besteld :D
Prima keuze, mijn eerste digitale was die witte op beeld de SDS1202X-E en die is net als de nieuwe SDS800X-HD super gebruiks vriedelijk als je in het begin nog niet zo handig er mee bent. de standaard instellingen zijn zo slim gekozen, dat je er eigelijk altijd wel iets goeds uit krijgt. Op de oude scopes was trigger soms erg lasstig, sinds het digitale tijdperk speeld dat helemaal niet meer. je gaat er zeker veel plezier mee hebben.
@@TonyAlbus Thanks Tony! En mocht ik er niet uitkomen dan kan ik altijd een van je videos raadplegen :D
Ik heb de scope zojuist ontvangen samen met de peak esr70 dus ik kan op onderzoek uit vandaag. Fantastisch om nieuwe gear te kopen altijd!
I'm longing for more Gs/s and MHz than more ADC bits... but I guess it is cheaper increasing bits than sampling rate and bandwith.
2 Gs/s is not bad for a 200 MHz (240) scope. Yes higher analog bandwith will need a better frondend also not just fast chips and lots memory.
I recently designed an interface with 1Gbps signals. I went with the common rules of thumb and it works but I was "blind" with my 2Gs/s scope and couldn't have debuged in case of.
This is really one review I was waiting for! I have a Rigol 2000 series scope and now a Keysight 2000 series scope. The 2 things I began to dislike about the Rigol is that the screen is getting very "cluttered" and the important measurements are in the smallest font known to mankind. The Keysight gives me a better GUI with the measurements I WANT on screen being much larger. Despite many pleas with Rigol from the community they seem to think that a 0.000001 point font is fine. I wanted to pick up the new Rigol, but the Siglent is just "cleaner" to read. Over the years I have regretted the Rigol I bought, despite the price and at the time capabilities. Man, they are running very close these days, making the decision between Siglent and Rigol a tough one. I think overall Keysight's GUI is just better and more logical, but of course it is in a whole other price level....... Bottom line is that I don't care how capable a scope is if the user interface just doesn't "flow".
So just offhand, which do YOU favor and why?
Thank you! and thank you for sharing, yes the Rigol is also not mu choice, but its more becouse i am use to Siglent with very friendly default, with rigol, becouse it can do so much, it quickly is behind many menus. its prob just gatting use too. i think i go for the Siglent.
A mature GUI is also part of the development, and does/should cost more. Rigol has copied some things from Rohde & Schwarz, but obviously not enough. Siglent on the other hand has the Teledine LeCroy GUI I suppose, but they have some cooperation too, as I recall.
What about this customisation? ua-cam.com/video/mT4ivaMY7zg/v-deo.html
Меня больше забавляет тот факт, что обе компании сделали огромный экран, хотя по факту само изображение такое же как у младших моделей. Но у этих прам так и режут глаза эти не задействованные чёрные полосы по краям экрана.
@@SINHRO-FAZA but its touchscreen now also.
13:40 Было бы интересно измерить ёмкость щупов у Siglent и у Rigol. Т.к. такие резкие всплески импульсов сглаживает ёмкость щупов, и похоже именно на Rigol эта ёмкость минимальна.
Yes nice idea, i did not test the probes yet, i connected the pulser directly to the inputs.
I have scope envy!
They are very nice! but i needed to send them back. i had a great time playing with it.
Greetings engineer, personally, which of the 2 oscilloscopes would you choose for yourself?
Greeting back to you! i like the Siglent, becouse i always had a Siglent. both are good.
Thank you :)
Thanks!
Tony, for about 5 years I own a Hantek DSO4204B which at the time was the cheapest 4Ch scope i could find.
OK it's not the best one, and certainly has it's software issues (looks like it's running on MicroSoft how stupid can you be).
Then so far it always helped me out, though I'd like something beter.
Seeing your excelent review I doubt the Siglent or the Rigol would be an improvement.
I mean, what catches my eye imidiately, NO EXT TRIGGER !!!!
I'm sorry, that really is a NO GO for me !
Maybe y just should consider a 6ch scope... but pfff $$$$
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Thank you!, i think external trigger can be on 1 of the 4 channels be used.
@@TonyAlbus Well the problem is that i often need 4 channels independend from trigger.
Even my old Fluke scope lacks this extra input.
6Ch scopes are just unaffordable.
Dank voor je reactie.
@@pascalcoole2725 Yes good point, thanks!
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Thank you!
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Back to you too ! greateengs from the Netherlands
I który lepszy ? :) Pozdrawiam
Not sure which is better, but i like the Siglent better myself, they have very friendly default, so a simple guy like me can sort of use it :)
@@zdzisiek1979 ha, good question, I bought the cheapest 4 channel Rigol because there was a discount for it, because the Wi-Fi works pretty well and because the logic analyser probe can be added even for the cheapest Rigol, while the probe for Siglent is more expensive due to being a complex and almost autonomous device. On the other hand many people say that Siglent user interface is better and the sampling rate is higher. "Unlocking" is easy in both cases.
@@TonyAlbus Też lubię siglenta :)
so.... which one u like,,, or,,, 14 bit expensive competitor,,, starts with,, k
The Siglent is the one i bought, its very user friendly with good default for the average use i am.
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Thank you!
I guess the XY mode on Rigol is unstable, because the buffer is set to store only 10k samples. Rigol sets it like this after every turn on and I found no solution to set it bigger by default. The same happens to the probe attenuation - after reboot it is always set to 1x. As far as I know release of the new firmware is expected till the end of this year so maybe some bugs will be fixed. I'm a bit surprised that the overshoot is that big - how clean is the signal from your generator? Do you have a snapshot of it for reference? Thank you for the video and cheers :)
As with most scopes, the Rigol has an option to boot with default settings or boot with settings from the last time. So it will remember probe 10x etc if you want. There has been at least 1 firmware update, but you now seem to have to register for an account on the website and login first before you see the latest fw.
Oh, indeed, I've found this option, thanks!
Thanks! yes i am sure i did something wrong on the Rigol, i am used to Siglent and they have very friendly defaults.
About the LeoBodner, i am sur ethis is clean, but maybe this inline terminator needs to be replaced, i did not change to see if there is a change, i will check that, thanks.
This might look better for you? ua-cam.com/video/mT4ivaMY7zg/v-deo.html
You have so many benchtop instruments that you dont have any bench left.... 😂
Yes need a bigger bench. or lab :)
Excellent review, however I believe the retail purchase price of these instruments is prohibitive for the hobbyist/student market.
No it's not. The DHO800 is available for 400€
@@ofgjf A more polite reply to my genuine comment would be; "Thanks for the interest Rick, however I believe the DHO800 is available for 400 Euro".
Thanks! yes these are the top models, as a student you can maybe go for the lower bandwith models.
@@TonyAlbus Thanks Tony.
the bigger size is better
Thanks, yes i like the Siglent better too.
@@TonyAlbus thank you for your Review!! all the best!
I had a terrible experience with Siglent customer support. I will never buy anything Siglent ever again.
I am having a terrible experience with Siglent fanboys in the eevblog forum. :D
Sorry to hear that, i read the same in the comments about Rigol, i hope these are expeptions.
Expensive equipment i try to buy from a local retailer or very well known webshop, so when problems arrive i can call the retailer and not needed to go after the producer itself. Still i think they need to offer support directly too.
Same thing I can say with a Rigol. No replies to e-mail after many attempts.
@@norbert.kiszka They replied, they just refused to help. It was a $500 new power supply that had a design defect. It worked fine for about 4 months, then started boot looping. They knew it was a problem but refused to tell me what was wrong. I finally figured out it was an under spec'd rectifier. I replaced it with a bigger one, and it has been fine since.
@@moki123g not only China companies are like that. They don't give a s... Especially employees which does first contact with You. Their job is to keep their job - nothing more and nothing less.
You can chose Rigol, Keysight, Tek or anything - all of them makes a cr*p in last couple years. So You can chose between bad and between bad.