Theists are so unstable and insecure that they will do anything to hold onto the notion that there is a man in the sky who loves them and will give them an eternal home in paradise. The thought that that is not the case lowers the esteem and worth of the unstable and insecure and they are not going to let us take that away from them.
@@raccuia1 I've only ever had 1 theist admit that the notion of death, with no life after death, utterly terrifies him and that's why he embraces Christianity so securely. Despite this lone admission, I suspect that this is the underpinning reason for the belief of most theists.
Brian’s reasoning is like my grandson’s, who’s just turned five; he also lives in a world of make-belief where facts don’t matter. The difference is that my grandson will grow out of it.
It's difficult to teach someone during the week if they are told every Sunday that only what they hear in that building can be trusted. There is only so much the teachers can do if the students are indoctrinated by others.
@@JaniceinOR not to mention homeschooling/private schooling is very common with these types of hyper religious people. then there's literally nothing public school teachers can do to break their indoctrination bubbles
Since you don’t get your at-bats until long after many children have been steeped in scary superstitions, you don’t have to apologize. You can’t work miracles. 😉🤣🤣
I thought Matt was going to ask him "How many times have you actually watched our show?" because these kinds of things were being addressed 19 years ago. "Just look around you, Matt! Can't explain that!"
Yeah that was pretty choice....like, dude....stop the frikkin press, I've got this thing that the finest minds have pondered over for centuries figured! Maybe not eh.
@@dreadtrain2846 Questioning faith and the Bible is NOT allowed and is seen as the devil trying to deceive you. Every single time asked a religious teacher a question, I was told that. No answer I got ever made sense. I was always given verses to read and labeled a Doubting Thomas.
“We’re not meant to know some things until we pass on” Is a MASSIVE slap to the face of humanity’s pursuit of knowledge. Brian. If important people thought the way you do, we would be living in the Stone Age. Get help. Restart school from kindergarten.
My kids asked me what it's like when you are dead, I countered with the question do you remember what it was like before you were born because it is just the same.
@@spliter88 You have memories of before that don't you? Examples of some time period you don't remember when there are a multitude of times before it you do remember is not the same. It is not at all like not remembering a single moment from before you were born. I also suspect there is evidence of your existence before this period of not remembering.
@@martinconnelly1473 My point is that there's a disconnect between us existing at some point, and us having a record of existence at that point. If we really are just physical beings, ultimately we're just mathematical constructs. Like, isn't it weird that you don't cease to exist when you have a major brain issue? I'm the same "me" from as far as I can remember. Despite going to sleep, despite losing consciousness a few times, despite migraines which fuck with my brain function (I get dumb when migraine starts, I can almost feel the IQ drop). Something keeps you trapped in the present, despite all the physical changes in your brain, all the way from your birth, even though you don't remember it. When you die your consciousness necessarily doesn't exist at that point. So you don't experience it, not matter how many trillions of years pass: you don't experience it. But here's the thing, if quantum mechanics is right, and properties are quantized, then given enough time and space there's going to be a replica of you, if time and space are infinite then there's going to be an infinite number of replicas of you. Could it be that whatever mechanism keeps you existing despite brain chemistry changes, despite physical changes to your brain, can also keep you existing in another body if the original dies?
@@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral And that should make them think how dumb us normal people view them if his one of their better ones. He sounds like somebody who has never bothered to ask any questions about anything. He has my pity.
The relative level of jadedness between Matt and Seth is amusing I’ve probably listened to Matt talk to more than a thousand bewildered, often belligerent, religiots over the years, so I can definitely understand why he’s not inclined to waste so much time with them anymore 😂
The best thing about it is that I would guess over 95% of the people that would present this argument would also be really conservative, making his description of the event even more entertaining. I almost wish he would be willing to be more detailed, to cause more discomfort (except of course de-monetization issues).
No god ever claimed that he created solar system, galaxies, planets, stars, black holes etc. Gods didn't know that these things even existed. They didn't know that sun is an ordinary star, only looks bigger because it's closer to us.
😃 Everything you said is verifiably categorically true-except your conclusion sentence (is at least questionable). And no, I’m not claiming you made a non sequitur, because I think your premise and essence is correct. How do we define “ordinary” from an astronomical perspective ? Merely by comparison. What if we defined our “star” from a perspective of cosmological efficacy and (not agency) but utility ? How many stars in our galaxy or the universe can claim to be the substrate of hundreds of millions of various life forms ? As an Abstract Theorist, I kinda take exception to the “ordinary” label we assign to our 🌞 😊
@@readynowforever3676 Our Sun is an ordinary star compared to the other big stars in the universe, it was not intended to measure how useful it is to Earth compared to other stars. Anyway, the universe doesn't care whether a star plays a role in creating life in its system or not, also the universe is generally anti-life, my main point is that no god of any religion knew even as much about the universe as a primary school student does now.
@@arifsaleem5467 You just reiterated everything you said in your OP, in terms of chronological acquisition of knowledge about the cosmos. Except you are making one of the errors that theist make. You’re assuming you know definitively what the “universe” “cares” “about”. That argument isn’t needed to refute a universe that presupposes a “god” excitation. However the biggest mistake you’re making is, explaining the “universe” to be something separate from us. Just as it is anthropic to think that we’re at the center of the “universe” and the reason for the universe, it is also erroneous to conclude that we are aliens in the “universe” as opposed to a part of the universe like any other matter. My argument was/is, we should redefine “ordinary”.
@@readynowforever3676 I think a more apt description is our universe as far as we know has no conscious will and just does what it does. Even the laws we use to explain reality are not literal they are our way of explaining how those things work.
@@readynowforever3676 To redefine/-describe "ordinary" for (celestial) stars, how about via its (sort of) synonym 'common' & our knowledge of astrophysics: _main sequence_ star. How about such?
Because I suspect there are nefarious forces at work here. Keep the population believing in absurdities and defunding public education is the plan. People aren't having kids like they used to, so why not keep everyone dumb and delusional so they ban or at least avoid contraceptives. Boom, instant dumb and easily manipulated work force.
Because thousands of children in all those religions, get indoctrinated from the day they can understand words, when they ask a question why, the religious will say God, the intelligent will get a science book, slowly the religious will slowly brainwash the children into believing in a god, and slowly remove their curiosity and turn them into religion
Imagine a prosecutor walking into a courtroom and his only "evidence" of the crime is, "I have faith that the defendant robbed 500 banks over the last 10 years.
If stupidity were a painful condition, and as a result, humans were driven to accumulate as much knowledge and logical reasoning skills as possible, then and only then, I might be inclined to believe in the existence of an “Intelligent Designer.” 😂 As it stands however, the way most humans think and behave makes me believe that no intelligent designer could’ve possibly created humankind.
They've been trained to not think critically because those who trained them know the religions they peddle can't stand up to scrutiny. Many were conditioned in childhood to never question or doubt the beliefs that were foisted upon them, and are terrified of being condemned to eternal torment if they do.
What do you need for a theist belief? Faith, hope and fear. Faith in a god, hope for an afterlife and fear of the wrong afterlife. Evidence? No need for that if you have faith.
Well I think most theists never actually seen the show they probably are incredibly naive thinking that the script that they were prepared by the churches actually converts atheists to Christianity never realizing that many atheists have actually heard everything that the script says and were Christians and have actually read the Bible mostly from being forced to as kids
The caller got stuck with the poetry of "we aren't meant to know everything" but it comes across like a child's response when asked how their parent files their taxes.
Every week it's someone new who thinks they're the first person to make this argument, always oblivious to the fact that they're arguing for an entity that this very argument negates.
Like..... okay. You someday find a channel. It's filled with stuff you disagree with.... WHY would you not just check first if at least just a few of their videos discuss your point? Like, I swear every other theist call is a Look At The Trees one
I mean it is worse. It is far worse, you made a very good point but you walked to the store and bought the stuff for tacos when the stuff for tacos when all the stuff is in your fridge. This is not just answered by this show it is the most common base question that 70% of atheists have already answered. You don't need this show to answer that, you don't even need literature from this century the answer is in ancient texts! It's so thoroughly answered that if I erased all of the histories of North America because it sank into the ocean in the year 1800 the answer would still be widely available. It is one of the things that no longer annoys me as an atheist. Atheists just rarely ask this because it is just ro easy to solve.
Both Matt and seth have been doing shows like this and talking to theists of all sorts for decades now and yet they still do these shows, I don't think anyones expecting anything new, the point is to have a discussion. The point may be trivial for us to debunk but for believers it isn't so, they wouldn't call in if they didn't think they had a good point (unless they're trolls)
Yeah when I first started watching these calls, I didn’t understand why Matt always got so angry at callers (I was naïvely like “why come he not be nicer to them??”)… but after following for a while, I’m starting to get how profoundly frustrating it must be to have to address the same numbskull arguments again and again and again… haha
Cute avatar. Yes, it seems like every theist who calls has similar explanations for why there is a Big Daddy in the sky. They apparently have never heard other episodes. They also don't understand words like "logic", "evidence", "proof", or "fallacy". The hubris & stupidity of these people amazes me. And yet, I keep tuning in. Haha.
Shame he didn't see why that then completely invalidates any further argument for God he makes. If we aren't meant to know until we die. And he isn't dead. How come he knows?
@@ElusiveEel yeah. Seems miracles happened left and right.. Until we began getting the ability to examine them and then god went "Well now I'm not doing it!"
It's just all the same tired shit. These people have never done any research, looked into any of their claims. They are simply shallow. They don't ask why, or when, or what. Now it's getting depressing.
I think some people just lack the ability to think more deeply about things. They operate at a very shallow level and never get beyond that. The fact that we exist, that there's a universe, is so overwhelming to them, they need to have an answer for how it all came to be. God of the gaps. Impossible for these people to be honest with themselves and say, "I don't know".
@@MooseMaunu wow thats a strong argument. did you just give yourself a thumbs up. i bet you did didnt you. people trump, musk, farage, are exactly what the world needs right now. its why britan left eu and mark my words france and germany italy and many others are demanding to leave eu im an atheist and i have no issue with trump being a christian. he and musk wont be bought off or threatened by infiltration of mzzzz a limbs that intend to infiltrate and dominate the west by taking control of its elites such as removing each countries identity and replacing it with their own. i live in uk. starmer is their puppet and has already installed shariah laws blasphemy law. eg critisize shariah law or is a lamb and its instant jail. especially if you do it on the internet. complaining will get you jailed. just waching a protest on the street will get you jailed for being near it. hes pardoned thousands and thousands of mz a limbs to make room to be able to do that. it was one of their demands he acepted for getting labour into power and to keep it in power by a unified mz a limb vote
This takes me back to my drinking days when I would get a little philosophical while being only a drunk and also not a philosopher. It made so much sense in my head. Thank goodness there weren't smart phones and call-in shows way back then.
I'm amazed that Brian here, somehow swerved past the ward matron and security, got to the phone, worked out which end did what, could dial the correct numbers in the right order and then could do all that and speak at the same time Well done, sir. Lol.
Brian basically said we are insignificant in the grand scale of the universe. By his own admission why would a creator ever be interested in us. As with every other caller he literally has nothing to back up his faith
There are SO many great host-combos, but Matt's "take no s**t" bluntness and Seth's smooth, thoughtful insights and delivery, make these guys a Dream Team for sure.
Okay. I know I know post this comment too often, but the callers always prompt me to. "Faith is the art of lying to yourself. Critical thinking is the art of questioning yourself". learn it , live it.
@@davidbelway6076 The Bible calls faith "the substance of things hoped for". That, "the substance of things hoped for", would be a perfect definition of an answered prayer. You pray for something, you get it, you got what you hoped for. Anyone who has prayed more than once knows that you don't get everything you pray for, even though the Bible says, ask and you shall receive. So faith is the necessary element to believe in a God who says he will answer prayers but fails to deliver.
@@johnbaxter9875 The law of physical random chances are real. So what? The bible says faith can move mountains. If you think that is true you have manipulated your own mind by means of self deception. Lying to yourself. Are you trying to muddy the waters? I'm not sure if I see a point to your comment.
@@davidbelway6076 I lost my faith 15 or so years ago. So that's the side of the fence I am on. My point was to critique apostle Paul's definition of faith, and point out that it would be a better definition for "answered prayer". But God doesn't answer prayers even though he says he will. So my new definition of faith is... the necessary element to believe in a God who says he will answer prayers but fails to deliver. I agree with your definition, the art of lying to yourself. I was just using some Bible stuff to tear down Paul's definition of faith, point out that the God of the Bible is a liar, and redefine the word faith.
Brian came on the show claiming he had proof of god and then admitted he has no proof of god. Brian is right that we can’t know everything just because we’re not around long enough. But Brian saying we aren’t meant to know everything is just him trying to justify his inability to know everything.
"Something can never come from nothing" says a theist who belives God made everything from nothing. So something can come from nothing so long as we just add magic to it. Theists are a funny sort.
I finally have an answer for why I hear voices when I get close to my dryer. It’s that ball of lint giving me messages to start the true religion of Lint. Thanks Matt!
I have a friend and coworker who was born missing one of his vertebrae; hence he has had to wear a back brace all of his life. Looks like gawd was sleeping on the job.
I will forever be thankful for my high school biology teacher. We were entering a couple of weeks of learning about evolution. He opened it with stating this will go against any religious teachings that are out there. We learned about evolution for a couple weeks and it was the most engaged I’ve ever been in a class as I grew up southern Baptist. Education is so damn important
“We’re not meant to know everything… now let me explain to you how the entire universe came into existence.”
Theists are so unstable and insecure that they will do anything to hold onto the notion that there is a man in the sky who loves them and will give them an eternal home in paradise. The thought that that is not the case lowers the esteem and worth of the unstable and insecure and they are not going to let us take that away from them.
@@raccuia1
Nobody can take away someone's irrational beliefs. Just don't expect special privileges and for others to play make-believe. 😳
@@raccuia1
I've only ever had 1 theist admit that the notion of death, with no life after death, utterly terrifies him and that's why he embraces Christianity so securely. Despite this lone admission, I suspect that this is the underpinning reason for the belief of most theists.
Just like how they say we're not meant to know the mind of God then tell you they know what God wants from all of us
@@Raz.C That, and the thereat of an eternity in Hell that's been drummed into them since childhood
“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.” -- Richard Feynman
Science has questions that may never be answered.
Religion has answers that must never be questioned.
And then the 14 yo cultist says "I'd rather mimimimimimimi"...
@@johnsperry9494 I love that quote.
John, a quality statement. Thank you.
"Something can never come from nothing" Said an adult man who believes god created everything from nothing. The irony😅
I'm sure they would say, it never came from nothing. It came from God.
But then, God came from nothing.
Yeah it's absolutely mind numbing. 😅🤣
@@SydneyLarrikin-ci2vz They'll say god never came.
Into existence.
But then so could the universe. The dance goes on and is so boring.
@@JohnSmith-bq6nf Why can't the universe itself be the necessary cause?
Brian apparently isn't meant to know anything. He was likely bitten by a book as a small child.
A science book😂
Brian’s reasoning is like my grandson’s, who’s just turned five; he also lives in a world of make-belief where facts don’t matter. The difference is that my grandson will grow out of it.
The book which injects a venom of superstition.
I don't get it.. typo?
That mental image made me giggle. 😆
As a public school science teacher, I’d like to apologize for our failure.
It's difficult to teach someone during the week if they are told every Sunday that only what they hear in that building can be trusted. There is only so much the teachers can do if the students are indoctrinated by others.
@@JaniceinOR not to mention homeschooling/private schooling is very common with these types of hyper religious people. then there's literally nothing public school teachers can do to break their indoctrination bubbles
Wilful ignorance is not your fault.
Since you don’t get your at-bats until long after many children have been steeped in scary superstitions, you don’t have to apologize.
You can’t work miracles. 😉🤣🤣
No need to apologize, it wasn't your fault.
"Something can't come from nothing, that's why God, who came from nothing, created everything from nothing"
"the rules don't apply to me even though i made them the fuck up"
Reminds me of Mac's "alright well, through god anything is possible, so why don't you jot that down" from its always sunny
@@BennyAscentthat's pretty much every argument theists bring to the show
😆exactamundo
Yay!!
Education is so important.
😂
yep, nobody's going to misspell his name.
Education and a little bit of brain matter 😉
“Faith is belief without evidence or reason; coincidentally that’s also the definition of delusion.” (Richard Dawkins)
0:53 "how do you not know that there is not a god"
He's really thought this out.
When you presuppose that God exists and it's just obviously true, then its inconceivable that anyone could not know it.
Checkmate atheists!
Another theist that comes to an intellect and facts fight with half an intellect and zero facts.
@csjrogerson2377 He thinks faith is a cinnamon for facts. 🤔
@@sansnom508 Hahah. And his argument has a word salad as a starter.
Ignorance mixed with arrogance is always a dangerous recipe.
As soon as he started talking, I thought, "Is that all you've got?" These people say this crap as if they are the first to think of this!
I thought Matt was going to ask him "How many times have you actually watched our show?" because these kinds of things were being addressed 19 years ago.
"Just look around you, Matt! Can't explain that!"
Yeah that was pretty choice....like, dude....stop the frikkin press, I've got this thing that the finest minds have pondered over for centuries figured!
Maybe not eh.
They usually hear it from another dum dum and just repeat it, thinking it sounds good. Thinking on their own is a big no-no.
@@dreadtrain2846 Questioning faith and the Bible is NOT allowed and is seen as the devil trying to deceive you. Every single time asked a religious teacher a question, I was told that. No answer I got ever made sense. I was always given verses to read and labeled a Doubting Thomas.
If there was a Big Bang, there must be a Big Banger. 😅😂🤣
Is that like the ultimate head banger?
I always wanted to be a big banger.
Yeah, making videos in the San Fernando Valley.
Yes and it's whatever Gojira played at the Olympics. That is in fact a Big Banger.
Everyone go home.
Wow, this guy hit so many fallacies so quickly. "look at the trees" god of the gaps, First cause, Burden of proof reversal,
As usual with these type of people he doesn’t now how to present a coherent argument
@@mczeljk I hate this communication product. i can't see the thread.
“We’re not meant to know some things until we pass on”
Is a MASSIVE slap to the face of humanity’s pursuit of knowledge. Brian. If important people thought the way you do, we would be living in the Stone Age. Get help. Restart school from kindergarten.
"You'll only know some things AFTER you pass away"....OK then Brian, tell me about ALL the stuff you experienced BEFORE you were born.
Great question!
My kids asked me what it's like when you are dead, I countered with the question do you remember what it was like before you were born because it is just the same.
@@martinconnelly1473 I don't remember what i did between 10am and 12 am yesterday, doesn't mean I didn't live through it.
@@spliter88 You have memories of before that don't you? Examples of some time period you don't remember when there are a multitude of times before it you do remember is not the same. It is not at all like not remembering a single moment from before you were born. I also suspect there is evidence of your existence before this period of not remembering.
@@martinconnelly1473 My point is that there's a disconnect between us existing at some point, and us having a record of existence at that point.
If we really are just physical beings, ultimately we're just mathematical constructs.
Like, isn't it weird that you don't cease to exist when you have a major brain issue?
I'm the same "me" from as far as I can remember. Despite going to sleep, despite losing consciousness a few times, despite migraines which fuck with my brain function (I get dumb when migraine starts, I can almost feel the IQ drop).
Something keeps you trapped in the present, despite all the physical changes in your brain, all the way from your birth, even though you don't remember it.
When you die your consciousness necessarily doesn't exist at that point. So you don't experience it, not matter how many trillions of years pass: you don't experience it.
But here's the thing, if quantum mechanics is right, and properties are quantized, then given enough time and space there's going to be a replica of you, if time and space are infinite then there's going to be an infinite number of replicas of you.
Could it be that whatever mechanism keeps you existing despite brain chemistry changes, despite physical changes to your brain, can also keep you existing in another body if the original dies?
I'm sorry, but the guy is not very smart.
He's smart for a religious person 😇
@@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral No. He's a passionate simpleton.
@@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral And that should make them think how dumb us normal people view them if his one of their better ones. He sounds like somebody who has never bothered to ask any questions about anything. He has my pity.
That's an understatement. He doesn't even know elementary school level biology.
He's especially vulnerable
Caller: Hi, I just called to say I don’t know.
Matt: Cool, bye.
Who created the seasons? Vivaldi - 4 of them.
12 points 😃
And Holst did the planets.
I thought it was Frankie Valli and Bob Gaudio...
A hotel company
I'm actually impressed. The kid laid out every logical fallacy out there in 30 seconds flat.
The relative level of jadedness between Matt and Seth is amusing
I’ve probably listened to Matt talk to more than a thousand bewildered, often belligerent, religiots over the years, so I can definitely understand why he’s not inclined to waste so much time with them anymore 😂
One wonders how Brian has managed to remain so ignorant for so long.
@@ziploc2000
Voluntarily suppressing any normal curiosity.
@@timdowney6721 He's been using the godly shield of willful ignorance all his life.
I really appreciate both of their methods.
“All the good things prove there’s a designer. All the bad things prove I don’t know what I’m talking about”
Seth losing it as Matt detailed how he came to be alive!
The best thing about it is that I would guess over 95% of the people that would present this argument would also be really conservative, making his description of the event even more entertaining. I almost wish he would be willing to be more detailed, to cause more discomfort (except of course de-monetization issues).
Vicarious embarrassment, for Matt AND the ridiculous caller.
It would have been perfect if he started it off with "Sometime in June of 68 my mom and dad got a little frisky..."😅
I really wanna know what seth was mumbling to himself
"And how did that happen?" "I don't know, I wasn't there."
No god ever claimed that he created solar system, galaxies, planets, stars, black holes etc.
Gods didn't know that these things even existed. They didn't know that sun is an ordinary star, only looks bigger because it's closer to us.
😃 Everything you said is verifiably categorically true-except your conclusion sentence (is at least questionable).
And no, I’m not claiming you made a non sequitur, because I think your premise and essence is correct.
How do we define “ordinary” from an astronomical perspective ?
Merely by comparison.
What if we defined our “star” from a perspective of cosmological efficacy and (not agency) but utility ?
How many stars in our galaxy or the universe can claim to be the substrate of hundreds of millions of various life forms ?
As an Abstract Theorist, I kinda take exception to the “ordinary” label we assign to our 🌞 😊
@@readynowforever3676
Our Sun is an ordinary star compared to the other big stars in the universe, it was not intended to measure how useful it is to Earth compared to other stars.
Anyway, the universe doesn't care whether a star plays a role in creating life in its system or not, also the universe is generally anti-life, my main point is that no god of any religion knew even as much about the universe as a primary school student does now.
@@arifsaleem5467 You just reiterated everything you said in your OP, in terms of chronological acquisition of knowledge about the cosmos.
Except you are making one of the errors that theist make. You’re assuming you know definitively what the “universe” “cares” “about”.
That argument isn’t needed to refute a universe that presupposes a “god” excitation.
However the biggest mistake you’re making is, explaining the “universe” to be something separate from us. Just as it is anthropic to think that we’re at the center of the “universe” and the reason for the universe, it is also erroneous to conclude that we are aliens in the “universe” as opposed to a part of the universe like any other matter. My argument was/is, we should redefine “ordinary”.
@@readynowforever3676 I think a more apt description is our universe as far as we know has no conscious will and just does what it does. Even the laws we use to explain reality are not literal they are our way of explaining how those things work.
@@readynowforever3676 To redefine/-describe "ordinary" for (celestial) stars, how about via its (sort of) synonym 'common' & our knowledge of astrophysics: _main sequence_ star. How about such?
How does humanity get to the point we are now with the advancement of our knowledge and there are still people so astonishingly ignorant?
because humans are currently exactly as stupid as we've been for 300000 years. we just have more information than our forebears.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Because I suspect there are nefarious forces at work here. Keep the population believing in absurdities and defunding public education is the plan. People aren't having kids like they used to, so why not keep everyone dumb and delusional so they ban or at least avoid contraceptives. Boom, instant dumb and easily manipulated work force.
Because thousands of children in all those religions, get indoctrinated from the day they can understand words, when they ask a question why, the religious will say God, the intelligent will get a science book, slowly the religious will slowly brainwash the children into believing in a god, and slowly remove their curiosity and turn them into religion
Fucking is easier than learning.
Brian's "proof" for the existence of god starts with "How do you know that there is not a god?"
What a maroon!
THAT, sir, is an insult to honest maroons everywhere!
How do you know Brian isn't a talking Aardvark?
@@JamesMorgan-ne8qu I’ve seen Otis the aardvark on CBBC and he sounded far more intelligent than Brian.
Seth automatically gets a watch and a like. Easiest decision of my day.
Heck, he deserves a grandfather clock.
Imagine a prosecutor walking into a courtroom and his only "evidence" of the crime is, "I have faith that the defendant robbed 500 banks over the last 10 years.
Are these people real? I just impressed by his stupidity!
Unfortunately they are very real...and they vote and can buy guns...
"I have no real arguments or evidence but I would still like to be part of this conversation!"
Religion, am I right?
I love your sense of humor!
They so desperately want a seat at the grown ups’ table
I have no argument or evidence but I have a completely empty opinion that I want to waste your time with!
“ No, Brian, you’re not meant to be part of this conversation.”
Their god-thingy forgot to make stupidity painful.
If stupidity were a painful condition, and as a result, humans were driven to accumulate as much knowledge and logical reasoning skills as possible, then and only then, I might be inclined to believe in the existence of an “Intelligent Designer.” 😂
As it stands however, the way most humans think and behave makes me believe that no intelligent designer could’ve possibly created humankind.
Many theists think it's noble to believe via faith in the absence of evidence. Instead of viewing themselves as ignorant
They've been trained to not think critically because those who trained them know the religions they peddle can't stand up to scrutiny. Many were conditioned in childhood to never question or doubt the beliefs that were foisted upon them, and are terrified of being condemned to eternal torment if they do.
What do you need for a theist belief? Faith, hope and fear. Faith in a god, hope for an afterlife and fear of the wrong afterlife. Evidence? No need for that if you have faith.
“We’re not meant to know everything… " And some people are not meant to know anything.
I don't think Brian has seen the show before calling in. 😆
Well I think most theists never actually seen the show they probably are incredibly naive thinking that the script that they were prepared by the churches actually converts atheists to Christianity never realizing that many atheists have actually heard everything that the script says and were Christians and have actually read the Bible mostly from being forced to as kids
Seth’s reaction while Matt is describing his parents’ coital adventures has me absolutely screaming lmaoooo 😂 3:15
'We aren't meant to know everything... therefor I know there is a god!' WTF?
Very convenient for someone who’s intent on staying ignorant.
This is why education is important. Without it, you end up with knobs like this.
The caller got stuck with the poetry of "we aren't meant to know everything" but it comes across like a child's response when asked how their parent files their taxes.
LOL.
My dad was a tax accountant. I did know.🤣🤣
Every week it's someone new who thinks they're the first person to make this argument, always oblivious to the fact that they're arguing for an entity that this very argument negates.
Like..... okay. You someday find a channel. It's filled with stuff you disagree with.... WHY would you not just check first if at least just a few of their videos discuss your point? Like, I swear every other theist call is a Look At The Trees one
I mean it is worse. It is far worse, you made a very good point but you walked to the store and bought the stuff for tacos when the stuff for tacos when all the stuff is in your fridge. This is not just answered by this show it is the most common base question that 70% of atheists have already answered.
You don't need this show to answer that, you don't even need literature from this century the answer is in ancient texts! It's so thoroughly answered that if I erased all of the histories of North America because it sank into the ocean in the year 1800 the answer would still be widely available.
It is one of the things that no longer annoys me as an atheist. Atheists just rarely ask this because it is just ro easy to solve.
Both Matt and seth have been doing shows like this and talking to theists of all sorts for decades now and yet they still do these shows, I don't think anyones expecting anything new, the point is to have a discussion.
The point may be trivial for us to debunk but for believers it isn't so, they wouldn't call in if they didn't think they had a good point (unless they're trolls)
But this caller had "proof" of god!! 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah when I first started watching these calls, I didn’t understand why Matt always got so angry at callers (I was naïvely like “why come he not be nicer to them??”)… but after following for a while, I’m starting to get how profoundly frustrating it must be to have to address the same numbskull arguments again and again and again… haha
Cute avatar.
Yes, it seems like every theist who calls has similar explanations for why there is a Big Daddy in the sky. They apparently have never heard other episodes. They also don't understand words like "logic", "evidence", "proof", or "fallacy". The hubris & stupidity of these people amazes me. And yet, I keep tuning in. Haha.
That guy was refreshingly honest about his beliefs and not having evidence. He just didn't get why that's a problem.
We're not meant to understand the things that I don't personally have an answer for.
I have to admit, I'm super happy that he's actually honest about having no evidence, and not tapdancing around every question.
06:02 "some things you're not meant to know until you pass away"
Let that sink in.
Wat if i cant until i pass away
Shame he didn't see why that then completely invalidates any further argument for God he makes.
If we aren't meant to know until we die. And he isn't dead. How come he knows?
@@kriss3d Because many people came back from the dead 2000 years ago!!
@@ElusiveEel yeah. Seems miracles happened left and right.. Until we began getting the ability to examine them and then god went "Well now I'm not doing it!"
When the neurons stop so does knowing
It's just all the same tired shit. These people have never done any research, looked into any of their claims. They are simply shallow. They don't ask why, or when, or what.
Now it's getting depressing.
I agree fully. It just continues on and on and on...grrr!! 👌💯
It's called intellect, knowledge and critical thinking. Far too many theists lack 2 or 3 of that list.
I tune in to give a heads up and hear clips from the hosts but once the callers start I'm usually out very quickly.
I think some people just lack the ability to think more deeply about things. They operate at a very shallow level and never get beyond that. The fact that we exist, that there's a universe, is so overwhelming to them, they need to have an answer for how it all came to be.
God of the gaps. Impossible for these people to be honest with themselves and say, "I don't know".
@@abc456f True. Even if they don't know, someone else might. So read, listen and learn. Then they might be able to make better informed decisions.
It's almost like theists have no knowledge on anything
Plenty of theists have plenty of knowledge. Plenty of theists also claim to know things they can't.
I have a Christian friend. He can fix my car. Tho, 😂
They take it on "faith" when they can't explain something
Some/many theists do.
At least the caller got straight to his claim.
That poor guy, so limited in his thinking.
How can you be as cool and nice as Seth Andrews, when facing such a person... kudos!!
Valium?
Hail Satan
In the beginning there was nothing and God said 'Let there be light'! There was still nothing but you could see it better!
lol
That is a good one.
Wow, can't believe no one ever thought of this argument before.
Brian ! one of the reasons why the world laughs at the USA.
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o yes you find a lot of broken lightbulbs in the usa
@@berth2647you have planty broken lightbulbs all over the world US is not special in religion stupidity!
I find myself laughing at you. What a ridiculous thing to say. As if religious stupidity isn't universal.
Bravo. Matt , you have come a long way and I have watched Most of it🎉
The 4 seasons assertion is only a local event. We don't get that closer to the equator! We have only 2 seasons. Hot@Wet- And Hot@relatively dry.
Brian was not meant to know anything...
And whoever meant Brian not to know anything is really on winning form.😉
Seth's iconic "OK?"... the signal that he's ready to move on
"Brian" is a perfect example of why Trump won a second term.
thats something brian would say. never intrested in the bigger picture
@@HelenBack1mil Incorrect.
@@MooseMaunu wow thats a strong argument.
did you just give yourself a thumbs up. i bet you did didnt you.
people trump, musk, farage, are exactly what the world needs right now. its why britan left eu and mark my words france and germany italy and many others are demanding to leave eu
im an atheist and i have no issue with trump being a christian. he and musk wont be bought off or threatened by infiltration of mzzzz a limbs that intend to infiltrate and dominate the west by taking control of its elites such as removing each countries identity and replacing it with their own. i live in uk. starmer is their puppet and has already installed shariah laws blasphemy law. eg critisize shariah law or is a lamb and its instant jail. especially if you do it on the internet. complaining will get you jailed. just waching a protest on the street will get you jailed for being near it. hes pardoned thousands and thousands of mz a limbs to make room to be able to do that. it was one of their demands he acepted for getting labour into power and to keep it in power by a unified mz a limb vote
@@MooseMaunuIdk this helen is a pretty good example of a Trumper. An atheist who voted for christian nationalism because they are afraid.
Brian say we can't know everything but he knows everything!
Who was that man? I'd like to shake his hand. He made my baby fall in love with me....
That's beautiful, man.
Less than 60 seconds for Brian to go off the rails.
They all call in with "evidence" that isn't.
Over and over.
Do we ever learn?
Go Seth! Well presented argument... Loved it.... He will go away and think about this....
@@tianikane3312 No he won’t. Reason circuit is not engaged.
This takes me back to my drinking days when I would get a little philosophical while being only a drunk and also not a philosopher. It made so much sense in my head. Thank goodness there weren't smart phones and call-in shows way back then.
I am the product of two creators, my parents.
Yes, and the great thing is that they were created by eight creators. 😂😂
Matt facepalmed for all of us when Brian closed with his final repeat of "We're not meant to know everything" LOL
I'm amazed that Brian here, somehow swerved past the ward matron and security, got to the phone, worked out which end did what, could dial the correct numbers in the right order and then could do all that and speak at the same time
Well done, sir. Lol.
😆😂
My biggest takeaway from this conversation is that Seth narrated a book. Time to do some shopping
Also, i enjoy watching Matt be amused
it is very hard talking to kids. the caller should go to a day school instead of the sunday school.
Brian brought a piece of wet spaghetti to a knife fight
and immediately continued to slap himself with it
@@EthanBalkfield ramen! 😁
Brian basically said we are insignificant in the grand scale of the universe. By his own admission why would a creator ever be interested in us. As with every other caller he literally has nothing to back up his faith
I was ready to skip this but I stuck it out and Seth hit it out of the park. I love the points he made and now I have to find that book he referenced.
Yet another episode of "What I believe is true by default and it's on you to prove me wrong by building an entire explanation of all of time."
He really asked how do you describe the seasons! 😂😂
Brian's Dad never had "the talk" with him by the sounds of it.
I love that Brian seemed to get more confused the more he was allowed to speak 😂
There are SO many great host-combos, but Matt's "take no s**t" bluntness and Seth's smooth, thoughtful insights and delivery, make these guys a Dream Team for sure.
Okay. I know I know post this comment too often, but the callers always prompt me to. "Faith is the art of lying to yourself. Critical thinking is the art of questioning yourself". learn it , live it.
@@davidbelway6076
The Bible calls faith "the substance of things hoped for".
That, "the substance of things hoped for", would be a perfect definition of an answered prayer. You pray for something, you get it, you got what you hoped for.
Anyone who has prayed more than once knows that you don't get everything you pray for, even though the Bible says, ask and you shall receive.
So faith is the necessary element to believe in a God who says he will answer prayers but fails to deliver.
@@johnbaxter9875 The law of physical random chances are real. So what? The bible says faith can move mountains. If you think that is true you have manipulated your own mind by means of self deception. Lying to yourself. Are you trying to muddy the waters? I'm not sure if I see a point to your comment.
@@davidbelway6076
I lost my faith 15 or so years ago. So that's the side of the fence I am on.
My point was to critique apostle Paul's definition of faith, and point out that it would be a better definition for "answered prayer".
But God doesn't answer prayers even though he says he will.
So my new definition of faith is... the necessary element to believe in a God who says he will answer prayers but fails to deliver.
I agree with your definition, the art of lying to yourself.
I was just using some Bible stuff to tear down Paul's definition of faith, point out that the God of the Bible is a liar, and redefine the word faith.
@@johnbaxter9875 Well said friend. Thankyou for clarifying.
Whenever callers say "look at the x, y, z...", my brain refreshes the voice of that little vine girl saying "look at all those chickens!"
Falls apart? It was never built in the first place! He starts with several unconnected and illogical assertions and it never gets better.
And people like Brian has the right to vote. Let that sink in.
That Brian is the way he is, makes me profoundly sad.😢
Some folks do not hold the mental capacity to see past the end of their own nose. But are completely comfortable looking down it.
I want to know how he knows that we're not meant to know, you know?
6th grade failed this person.
It’s still adorable sometimes to actually hear people like this. You expect beads and rattles next along with coloring books.
Right, Right, Right, Right........ Get sick of it, RIGHT.
3:18 Seth's soul just left his body 😂😂😂
I'm starting to feel embarrassed by my home state. I swear to you guys, not everyone in Ohio is this dim.
I watched this live; it is worth a reviewing!
Brian sounded like another Honor Graduate of Hovinds School of Fake Science.
Brian came on the show claiming he had proof of god and then admitted he has no proof of god. Brian is right that we can’t know everything just because we’re not around long enough. But Brian saying we aren’t meant to know everything is just him trying to justify his inability to know everything.
The caller's agency projector is hard at work.
I'm impressed that he was able to admit that he didn't know and that many of his ideas are faith based.
Woefully prepared caller
"Good Cop\Matt Cop" routine 😜 Both of you handled this very well, in your own ways.
"Something can never come from nothing" says a theist who belives God made everything from nothing. So something can come from nothing so long as we just add magic to it. Theists are a funny sort.
I finally have an answer for why I hear voices when I get close to my dryer. It’s that ball of lint giving me messages to start the true religion of Lint. Thanks Matt!
Wow.... That was...... Something.
I have a friend and coworker who was born missing one of his vertebrae; hence he has had to wear a back brace all of his life.
Looks like gawd was sleeping on the job.
I will forever be thankful for my high school biology teacher. We were entering a couple of weeks of learning about evolution. He opened it with stating this will go against any religious teachings that are out there. We learned about evolution for a couple weeks and it was the most engaged I’ve ever been in a class as I grew up southern Baptist. Education is so damn important
I was expecting a "Hank. I'll see you on Tuesday"
Another person calling "The Line" with "Proof of God", we should just play "The Killer Rabbit Scene" from Monty Python's Holy Grail.....
Oh yes please! Then we can use the Holy Hand grenade of Antioch 😁
Barely a minute in and I'm already losing my mind.
Appreciated that one. God is an empty argument.