@99PercentPhase I now have nucular p24f controllerand bypassed battery now its fun to ride I have 3 tune's at the touch of a button well worth the investment
I have stock. I'd like input on the only shortcoming we have (keeping stock controller/battery.) I ride in Pennsylvania mountains and long uphills are doable, but I'd like to have more power through the climb. When it's very technical uphill (tight, single track, muddy roots everywhere!) more torque with a 52T, may may mean even less control/traction than 48T -- but it could also give quicker run-ups for momentum from the bottom. IMHO controlled momentum is key for uphills! I"m not int'd in a wheelie machine or top end speed at all. Think tight, slippery woods riding. Decisions/decisions. What do you think?
@@ridefarm5528 Thank you for the info. It is interesting to note, I think tight/woods where we rarely, if ever need top speed seems to be better application of larger sprocket. Benefits torque and mileage, can't wait to test out!
the problem with the surron is it already performs really well and when you want to improve stuff you mess up the balance. I had a 58T, great for wheelies and hillclimbs, better response,... but the 55km/h top speed really makes it boring... went back to 52T for a middle ground but it's hardly any different than stock, just 5km/h less top end... idk if it's even worth the money...
Sprockets really are personal preference i think, since it just relocates the power. I had friends who are happy with their 62t while some are happy with stock.
I am curious, it appears as if both of you may be running stock tires. For technical, very slippery uphill, single track, thinking about 58T and I have a Kenda 70/100 19 that has much better traction.
bigger sprocket is a must if you run heavier tires. After I used up my stock tire, I swapped it out to shinko. I love the traction but it certainly feels a bit slower.
I bought a 52T, I use for mostly street with some off road and my regen braking is turned off too. If you start riding eco and then only switch to sport when you need it, and not constantly holding down the throttle the battery life impact won’t be as bad and of course better if you have regen braking on. I also own the super moto kit with 44t sprocket too. 52t set up for winter and 44t for summer.
So I got the same 52tooth sprocket and swapped it for my stock and I saw much worse battery range and switched back to stock and immediately saw the better range, i was expecting the opposite, any idea why ?
@@ridefarm5528 yes that’s what I was thinking it was I do a lot of top speed getting to my offroad riding location, ride for a while and then ride back into town I figured having the bigger sprocket is working the motor more/faster RPM at top end
@@ridefarm5528 I wish I could run my 52t happily it looks so much better and is much lighter than the factory one less rotational mass , thanks for the vid 👍🏼
It depends on how you run it. On the street you aren't doing a lot of stop, go, stop go, stop, go slow, go, stop. The extra teeth help with keeping the torque off the engine at 0-5mph and let's it get up to mid speed with less energy. However, it costs more energy the faster you go because the engine needs to spin faster for the same top speed. Lower speeds = more teeth (most of the time) higher speeds and more time spend running than accelerating = less teeth. Try the 42 socket for the super moto kit and see what happens :)
Sprocket specialists usa will make you an aluminum Sprocket with any tooth count you like as long as you have the bolt pattern measurements
I have a 52. love it.. No need to go bigger.
Did you need to extend your chain?
@@HCG one link
91 kg here .. i love my 58
Sounds like you’d love the 54t sprocket as it’s just a bit more torque for those climbs but has better top speed then the 58 😎🤙🏼🤙🏼
I think it's the perfect choice for flowy trails!
Do any of you find a 58 hits a wall In ECO on standard controller ? Mine was terrible but a bit to clsnappy in sport ?
@99PercentPhase all these stings in standard form are different my mates stock bike in Eco is very snappy but useless over 20mph
@99PercentPhase I now have nucular p24f controllerand bypassed battery now its fun to ride I have 3 tune's at the touch of a button well worth the investment
I have stock. I'd like input on the only shortcoming we have (keeping stock controller/battery.) I ride in Pennsylvania mountains and long uphills are doable, but I'd like to have more power through the climb. When it's very technical uphill (tight, single track, muddy roots everywhere!) more torque with a 52T, may may mean even less control/traction than 48T -- but it could also give quicker run-ups for momentum from the bottom. IMHO controlled momentum is key for uphills! I"m not int'd in a wheelie machine or top end speed at all. Think tight, slippery woods riding. Decisions/decisions. What do you think?
For very tight trails, I would go 58T. I do understand your concern over difficult traction but I think 58T will be more advantageous overall.
@@ridefarm5528 Thank you for the info. It is interesting to note, I think tight/woods where we rarely, if ever need top speed seems to be better application of larger sprocket. Benefits torque and mileage, can't wait to test out!
@@KNKLHEAD 58t will feel like a different motor as long as you don't do high speed runs :)
I went with a 54 t & soo much better than stock . I’m even considering a 58 t because I do a lot of hills in the dirt & need torq.
I ordered a 64t sprocket just waiting for it to come in
i've ridden 64t recently. it's great for super tight trails
@@ridefarm5528 km a bit heaveir so i picked that up gonna upgrape the suspension t9 an 800 lb and should be good i hope
This is incredible! Suron looks decent
да это видео было полезным !)👍
the problem with the surron is it already performs really well and when you want to improve stuff you mess up the balance. I had a 58T, great for wheelies and hillclimbs, better response,... but the 55km/h top speed really makes it boring... went back to 52T for a middle ground but it's hardly any different than stock, just 5km/h less top end... idk if it's even worth the money...
Sprockets really are personal preference i think, since it just relocates the power. I had friends who are happy with their 62t while some are happy with stock.
I wonder what would be a better choice when running a heavier than stock moto tire?
Do you want more range and torque or more power?
I am on stock setup and have tires I am replacing stock with and don’t want to loose any power from the heavier tires.
Wow!
Testing 58t on oem tire ? ...
Were u guys at?
Love
I am curious, it appears as if both of you may be running stock tires. For technical, very slippery uphill, single track, thinking about 58T and I have a Kenda 70/100 19 that has much better traction.
bigger sprocket is a must if you run heavier tires. After I used up my stock tire, I swapped it out to shinko. I love the traction but it certainly feels a bit slower.
I think a 58 is perfect if your off road & any steep hills . I have a 54 now & going to a 58 soon . Even the 54 i didn’t loose speed & a lot more torq
nice!
Are you riding in sport or eco mode for this?
we never ride in eco
I bought a 52T, I use for mostly street with some off road and my regen braking is turned off too. If you start riding eco and then only switch to sport when you need it, and not constantly holding down the throttle the battery life impact won’t be as bad and of course better if you have regen braking on. I also own the super moto kit with 44t sprocket too. 52t set up for winter and 44t for summer.
Battery and controller upgrade coming soon?
I already have a dirt bike so I’m not looking for more power at the moment. I’m actually very happy with stock power.
What top speed with 52? 54? What battery/controller? Wheel size?
54 TOP speed and battery 72 wots
my standard sprockey top speed was 74km/h, with 52T 69km/h. 58T just 55km/h..
So overall the 58T is the way to go?
yes I think so, unless your trail consists of really long straightaways!
Have you tried on a flat road? Thanks
i prefer stock sprocket for commutes on the road, but if i were running like a supermoto style flat course, I would use 52 or 58.
nice video :)
Do you think there's any noticeable difference between 52 and 54 tooth with 18" motowheels and shinko 241 rear 21" front
52 and 54 should have minimal difference. I would definitely go with 58T if you have bigger wheels. Those big wheels rob so much torque.
So I got the same 52tooth sprocket and swapped it for my stock and I saw much worse battery range and switched back to stock and immediately saw the better range, i was expecting the opposite, any idea why ?
Hmm weird my range improved after the upgrade. Are you doing a lot of top speed runs on the street?
@@ridefarm5528 yes that’s what I was thinking it was I do a lot of top speed getting to my offroad riding location, ride for a while and then ride back into town I figured having the bigger sprocket is working the motor more/faster RPM at top end
@@Tony_Seed maybe that might be it, because I don’t ride street at all. 100% trails
@@ridefarm5528 I wish I could run my 52t happily it looks so much better and is much lighter than the factory one less rotational mass , thanks for the vid 👍🏼
It depends on how you run it. On the street you aren't doing a lot of stop, go, stop go, stop, go slow, go, stop. The extra teeth help with keeping the torque off the engine at 0-5mph and let's it get up to mid speed with less energy. However, it costs more energy the faster you go because the engine needs to spin faster for the same top speed. Lower speeds = more teeth (most of the time) higher speeds and more time spend running than accelerating = less teeth. Try the 42 socket for the super moto kit and see what happens :)