[SHOT Show 2019] Bond Bullpup 9L: A Subcompact with a Glock 19 Length Barrel!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- James speaks with Bond Arms about the longer version of the Bullpup, the Bullpup 9L.
Description from The Firearm Blog: Even with the longer slide, frame and barrel, the Bullpup9L has an overall length of 6″ which is similar to many modern subcompact concealed carry pistols. However, the main advantage of this pistol is in its barrel length. Because of its “bullpup” design (with the barrel telescoping over the magazine) the Bullpup9L has a 4.25″ barrel! Imagine a pistol of Glock 43 size but packing a barrel almost as long as the Glock 17 barrel or slightly longer than the Glock 19 barrel.
The Bullpup9L pistol also features an accessory rail on the dust cover portion of the frame. The overall weight of this pistol is 19 oz and it is .96″ thick. I think if they did manage to fix the original Boberg pistol issues, then this gun can be an attractive concealed carry choice. The MSRP of Bullpup9L is yet to be determined.
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I wonder if bond arms would entertain the idea of putting the Boberg action in a target pistol, having 6" barrel and double stack 9mm. I want to see just how shootable and accurate the design is on a competition level. They can price them at around $3k and it would still be comparable to high-end 1911's.
Sounds good to me
I don't know... That double action trigger will throw off your shot more than the tiltibg barrel would. Trigger control is normally more important than mechanical accuracy.
@@Adam31778 My point is to have the action see as much trigger time with speed and accuracy practice. The pistol's reliability, speed, and accuracy would be showcased for Bond Arms (increasing live data for improvements) and we, the consumers, can see public records of the guns performance. Win-win!
As for the long DOA trigger, I'm not sure if there are tricks to fix that, but I'm sure Bond knows a thing or two.
The accuracy question is one easily answered: As the Bond Arms bullpup pistol uses a rotating barrel and the internal dimensions/tolerances are fairly tight it's accuracy *Potential* would be similar to a Beretta PX4 Storm or a decent 1911. Though the double action trigger would not be anywhere near as nice as the 1911's stock single action only trigger or anywhere close to a finely tuned/ polished match 1911's trigger.
@@Adam31778 a shooter properly trained on a double action trigger will perform just fine. Single action can be preferred for a lot of shooters as the learning curve is far smoother but at the end of the day the statement "It's the Indian, not the arrow" comes to mind.
In short, if you're just passable with double action exclusively you're likely to throw a shot when faced with a single action trigger or striker fired sidearm, if you're just barely passable with a single action or striker fired trigger, you're going to SUCK with a double action only firearm. The only remedy for either is *Practice.* Owning a piano does not make one a skilled musician, owning a nice firearm does not make one a competent shooter.
4 years later really wish they would have gone through with this.
What do you mean?
@@MistralMijatovichthey never made it. Just this demo version. They still make the regular one but you can't find ANYTHING about the long slide version
i email them asking about it ,no response :( @@cunnelatio
I was ready to buy this too
@@Michaels-emptysoul i carry my regular version all the time. It's a great gun and the unique operation just make it a cool thing to own
Got my Bond Arms Bullpup9 in 2017... now I need this one too.
This is a really intriguing design. And even though it is kind of expensive it is pretty comparable to other all steel carry type guns. This isnt just a $300 polymer wonder pistol
Beardoggin89 Live Action -it’s a great gun. I have had mine ( Boberg XR9-S)for 5 years now, and it shoots close groups, very low recoil, and requires low maintenance. Can shoot plus P easy. I just used it again today to requalify for my CCW. Love it.
It sucks i had this idea in my head google it and it was just created im sad lol
❤
Being reliable regardless of grip strength is such a huge factor.
Now this guy knows his stuff. Great innovation, but price, ouch.
Meh it is right up there with other all steel handguns from shops with a good reputation for quality control and craftsmanship
The price difference between this and a standard carry gun ,that can buy a lot of ammunition and range time , which would make a better shot then a longer barrel. If they can the production up to get the price down then this could be more than an oddball niche gun.
stanhry i agree with you their. A lot of this price tag is paying for their R&D. But everyone’s budget is different. Some people carry $4000 custom 1911s and some people carry $199 LCPs. Having it on you and being proficient with it is all that matters
+@@stanhry You're not going to see a quality steel framed pistol for the same price as a polymer. Not until MIM or Sintering technology gets to the point where it's as strong and cheap to make as polymer frames.
I mean, Bond Arms makes high quality guns. Their derringers can be $500 - $600+. I'm honestly surprised they're only charging around $1k.
James! Please!.... This Bond Arms Bullpup vs. SIG 365 in a future 2019 TFB TV video!
I shot plenty of rounds through the original & I am defiantly buying one of these, the gun is worth every penny they are asking for it.
Sweet little single stack. I’m loving the new innovations in this market from companies like Mossberg and Bond 👌🏼
Go Bond! Make Texas manufacturing great again!
I've been waiting for them to do something like this ever since I first learned about this gun. I want the long slide for my EDC.
And add the H&K squeeze cocking mechanism to this pistol while you're about it, boys. In a full size .45ACP format!
Always wanted one but couldn't justify the price
Ditto. If only because it's weird and therefore interesting.
Yes me to but would like to see a single action model
How much you spend in a year on your mobile plan?
I've been waiting over 4 yrs for this gun to come out 😢
They got side-tracked with that lever action AR.
I love my Bullpup 9.. Wonder how mad my wife going to be when I get a Bullpup 9l.
You probably don’t have to worry…Bond Arms is likely not going to ever produce the 9L.
Saw one of them at GOA show last year, pretty cool. DA only is a bit rough tho, I'm a single man I need un-fatigued fingers for... other activities.
So glad boberg sold... Never would've gotten these iterative improvements from that guy.
I still want the original, just can't afford it.
I'd only want it from a collector standpoint. But they dont really work that well... the originals that is. The Bond Arms guns are less finicky and have corrected a lot of problems. They even honor warranties on existing Boberg guns for people to send in if they need to be upgraded or fixed. I did have pretty good luck shooting the .45 ACP Boberg once though... I'd like to see Bond make one for .45 ACP or maybe even .40 S&W.
@@Predalien195 sorry I meant the bond version.
@@jtec99 Ahh. I gotcha.
Yup, I had a chance to buy a Boberg but unfortunately they have started to go collector prices for the ones that run. Stacking tolerances are a real bitch and I’m super glad Bond Arms have taken over the design and now we will be able to have the gun Boberg always wanted to make. I wonder if Hudson is gonna go the same way, it’s almost impossible for the the Mark Serbu’s of the world and absolutely impossible for the Royal Nonsuch’s even with Mark’s help.
The original is not as good the boberg had issues with reliability due to the 3 part design of the cam path barrel and slide the cam path had to be greased but the bond arms nickle boron coated the interior that way regular oil would work and if ran dry would still function
But does it fit in your shorts bud?
I cant wait to watch him try
If it's reliable it's actually pretty interesting. Skeptical about reliability on a complicated action like this.
I love the $$ jab at other reviewers. NRA American rifleman is as bad as it gets... They never shot a paid endorsement they didn't like.
Bond arms seems like an awesome manufacturer and the speaker is awesome too. i will never see these guns over here but hey, at least dreaming is free :D
Hope they get to take over the H9 when it goes belly up :(
Can't go wrong with 4.25" barrel in a compact design I love it....I'd like to get one in my hands before purchase....I'm one,that if the glove fits i get it...I had multiple guns I was set on buying but when came down to handling them some go discarded off my list...I'm hoping this one fits my specifications because I love the design so much
Simple but effective design!! 👍
Its anything but simple....
If that were DA/SA I would get one. Is that in the works?
The design of the gun doesn't allow SA, only DA. The hammer doesn't cock back after firing, this is not a striker fire pistol.
I love the concept. It's "almost" beautiful! If they'd polish the slide I'd buy one.
Love the concept--but I was completely distracted by the girl in the first fifteen seconds. Am I a bad person?
Little bit.
I am still waiting for this.
Got the original short Bond Bullpuppy. Awesome pocket 9mm and likes to be run wet. Everyone tries to load the mag backasswards.
3 years later, still no bullpup 9 long version :(
He mentioned the P365 but I don't see how the Bullpup will be competitive with the P365 unless it's double-stack and has a frame made of a polymer or lightweight aluminum or alloy. For a given rounds count the P365 is lighter with a shorter grip and higher rounds capacity. If they could the specs close I'd rather buy the Bullpup due to the extra barrel length. I love the idea of suppressing the short version, but I also like the frame-mounted accessory capability of the new longer version, for mounting a flashlight.
I want one
Make a double stack longslide with a 6 inch threaded barrel.
I watched a video on this firearm at bond arms website. I suggest anyone thinking about buying this firearm watches their videos. You can't use certain ammo in it like Blazer. The guy had a few problems with short stroking and non crimped ammo. Which is not a deal breaker for people knowing what they're buying. But I wouldn't blindly buy it. Seems like a cool firearm but just do some research before you get it .
I am excited for this pistol. Just not a fan of the wood grips.
I know they bought (and reportedly improved) the Boberg but I've not seen any follow ups on the success of their improvements.
That price tag turned me off quite a bit. I'd still love to try one out; maybe it'll change my mind.
The salient question though, is James wearing pants under that desk?
My money is on a definitive "No."
NEEDS a review. $1100 is a lot of money, but that design/grip are beautiful.
I like the design of this pistol and would love to have one if they only made a single action or in da sa
Def not a first time gun but one that would be interesting to have in the collection
When will the threaded barrel and suppressor come out?
Would love to see bond arms buy another "failed" design and give it life. In particular the coonan 357.
The thing that I find the most annoying is not having slide lock-open at the end of the magazine.
In a real life shoot-out with your adrenaline jacked up, I bet you'd *click* before reloading regardless of gun.
Ordered a bullpup this weekend. I could have spent 1k on another long gun and OCCASIONALLY take to the range, but my life will depend on this solid little beauty and on me all the time. I will shoot it more than my LCP and it should be a joy to shoot often. Can't see wearing it out! Well worth it
any idea when this model will actually be released?
Make it a double stack magazine and i will buy it
I wonder if there are any plans for Bond to manufacture a bigger pistol(something comparable to Glock 19) but in the same bullpup design?
Is the longer barrel model available for purchase? This is the first I heard about this in 2023. Thanks.
I want one!!
Bullpup subcompact sounds like a sexy and cool idea but I wish there were more options. This gun just doesn't hit it hard with me. I have to admit bullpups are my guilty pleasure but I doubt a bullpup handgun would become very popular in today's market. Bullpup rifles and shotguns on the other hand have a foothold in today's market.
The price turns this gun into, more of an collectable, than something you would want to carry!
I like this formerly Boberg pistol
I would like him to breakdown to me why this bullpup design "increased sight radius".
It doesn't increase the sight radius. The length of the slide sets the sight radius no matter the length of the barrel contained within. Maybe it was a slip up but he kept piling the reasons on why it was better and he couldn't help himself.
Otherwise looks neat.
I'm pretty sure he also said, "fixed rotating barrel."
Dude, it can't be fixed and also rotate.
He means that it doesn't tilt... But yeah, "increased sight radius" is not a thing here
I think he meant "increased sight radius" compared to the earlier model gun, which has a shorter slide.
rip, this would have been awesome
That is a fucking GORGEOUS handgun.
Looks a bit like the pistol from Halo 2. They should release a version with a full hand/trigger guard.
I didn't catch if the extended magazine will fit the short barrel version.
The frame is the same design between both guns so yeah expect it to fit ALL models of 9mm Bober or Bond Arms bullpup pistols.
It's more than double a G43 in price. I EDC a G43 and can't see where any other is a better carry or value.
Where is the 9L... We need it!
Where is this? Been waiting to pick one up for years!
Why can't I find any update on the 9L. Do we know if it was delayed? Year is pretty much over and this pretty much one of the most recent things I've found about it and it's the announcement of it.
I called them a few months ago about it. They said it was shelved for the foreseeable future.
I don't think the 9L version was ever released
Oh but if it were brought out in .45 ..... just wishin .... but that's what it will take for me to buy one ..... and while we're wishin ... a 10 mm would be better !!! .... HOPE BOND ARMS IS LISENIN !
Please make a double stack...
Still waiting for this, or better yet 5.7L
Love the concept, but price kills it for me.
Is this thing ever actually going to come out?
Seems pricey but then again all our favorite striker fired guns would be $1,000+ if they had metal frames 🤔
But the trigger pull was horrendous, did they improve that at all?
I bit expensive for me but that's neato
I love it when they say fool-proof b/c theres always that one person that can mess it up.
The problem with making things fool proof is that fools are just so damn ingenious 😜
Nature will ALWAYS find a way to design a better fool, though with Alexandria Occassio Cortez elected I pray that nature has hit the zenith of that endeavor. ( No one wants a fool of that magnitude as that is indeed some high yield munitions grade stupid.)
Too bad it didn’t fly well, i guess the higher price and the issues known when before bond arms buy it were two decisive things why people didn’t have much interest. The options is just find a used one and test fire well for reliability
Glock mags or double stack! Optics Mount! Threaded barrel!
What happened to This gun why was it never released
I’d love to get my hands on one but I could buy 3 shields and a couple of boxes of ammo for that price
You could also buy 1000 gas station cups of coffee. This had a longer barrel and higher capacity than a Shield along with being made of steel
Beardoggin89 Live Action the difference between the shield and gas station coffee is that the shield is actually a good choice
@@Bmk0017 If the Shield floats your boat and you don't currently have a good CCW sidearm: Nab it! It's a solid gun, proven, reliable, and accurate. But if you want something as short as you can feasibly get it, without giving up velocity this is a viable choice too.
*What matters is that you're armed, trained and able to defend yourself and those you love above all else, choice of sidearm is a personal thing.*
Did he say, "fixed rotating barrel"?
It doesn't tip(like a browning short action design) but it locks and unlocks by rotating.
The rent is too damn high.
How about a 45 in 2021??
Still no new boberg based pistol from Bond.
Come back to me later when it is in 10, then we'll talk Bond.
Very cool concept, although he lost me a bit when he said it was DAO, and then lost me the rest of the way at $1099.
I don't see this as satisfying a huge demand in the market. When it comes to single-stack 9mm carry pistols, most people are happy with the accuracy and mag capacity of their G43, PPS or Shield and aren't willing to pay nearly double the price for slight improvement.
anony moose, oh I didn't mean to imply that there aren't any positives going for this gun. Sure there are. I only meant that I don't see it filling some huge need in the market. It'd be different if this came out 5 years ago before a slew of single-stack 9mm pistols hit the market. But now, between the Glock 43, Walther PPS and the M&P Shield, I don't think most people will pay double the price for minor improvements. As a result, this will never be more than a niche product.
Hi there. Reporting in from the year 2023. When is this firearm going to be available for purchase, exactly?
technically arent most auto pistols bullpup's since by and large the action is behind the trigger group?
starterpack295 Bullpup traditionally has action, feed, and magazine FAR behind trigger group. We can argue that most semi autos have magazines and the action to the rear of the troop, but the feed is typically in front of or directly above the trigger group. This particular gun has the feed in the furthest rear point of the gun. Something they didn’t mention, which is present in the original 9 mm version is that the bullets are PULLED from the back of the mag, as the slide travels backwards, then pushed forward into the chamber. Versus standard semi auto loading that strips a round off the top as the slide moves forward into battery. Apparently that pulling motion has required keeping a list of ammo that will work in these guns. Some ammo becomes separated i.e. the case separates from the projectile, during the loading process.
@@paulthecpa2717 ok, i see how that could make it a bullpup, but honestly i think it needs its own term, its not quite standard but not quite bullpup either
Bring out the .45 like Boberg had in production before these guys bought the production rights.
Bullpups make sense for rifles because you need to get in/out of vehicles or close quarters. Barrel length doesnt matter for concealed carry (or at least not as much as handle length). So with a limited 7+1 capacity and a $1100 MSRP…. What is the point?
7+1 is more than enough. Anything more is shooting spree territory. Hire a good lawyer!
@@MarkWesley ok, boomer...
So another Springfield XDS3.3/4.0 situation much like the Glock 43x/Glock48. Springfield discontinued the 4.0 because nobody gave a shit about sight radius and it didn’t sell even with 7/8/9 round mags included.
SouthernGlockster I bought a xds 4.0 very recently and I love it. I got 3 mags with it and 2 were the extended. Just saying I love the firearm.
If I lived in the states I’d be getting one of these
Sounds like you need to be a refugee and take advantage of Brandon's term.
@@MarkWesley I’m a Social democrat with libertarian leanings. But I wouldn’t support either of the main parties. And I’m in full favour of the right to own guns. Or bare arms as they say. I just wish everyone would get the F along better. America seems a great country to me. But is too divided. If everyone worked together the country would be even greater. I guess people tend to vote along party lines and independents are left with no viable alternative.
Fuckin' Texas space magic right there.
Does that longer barrel fits on a shorter slide version??
Can I have one too Garrett? For a review....
is this available yet? I want to buy it like now. I dont want the shorter original Bullpup9 version. i want this L version.
I hope its more reliable than the boberg. I had 2 different bobergs (long story) and had nothing but issues with them. Not just little issues, catastrophic failures. Sending the gun back to the manufacturer with a live round jammed in the action. Major peening issues. Pins falling out. Springs breaking. It was cool but clearly had some heat treating and parts supplier quality issues. Beyond all of the issues im hoping bond addressed it was a fantastic gun to carry. It was just utterly unreliable....
Watch some of the other videos on the Bond Arms Bullpup. They drastically improved the reliability with a few small tweaks.
@@squirts1 I had #45 and #46. I was shooting mostly standard pressure range ammo and a little bit of golddot + p and Magtech + p through #45. I had been told that the gun could handle +p + ammunition with no problem after being repaired an updated several times. 10 rounds of Underwood plus P plus sent it right back to boberg. I live 25 miles from where boberg arms was so it wasn't that big of a deal for me.
@@squirts1 it had many issues prior to any high pressure ammunition being used. Believe me, I wanted to love the gun. But it was terribly unreliable. It was actually replaced with a later model with all of the upgrades and it still had peening issues with only running wwb amunition. If all of the heat treating issues have been resolved Id consider buying a Bond arms gun. You must have got a good one...
Garret plays my favorite character from Billions. "Wags"!
Had me up until the price
What's the difference between this and the boberg xrl? Other than cosmetics?
It's a carry pistol, not a target, who cares about a few feet per second in velocity? I love the design, but would miss out on the SA. Barrel mechanics aside, I'd shoot my CZ P01 better, because follow up shots a 3lb 2mm SA ,would best a DA every time. Notice they didn't discuss in detail the trigger pull length and weight.
Lovely idea but double action only.