Boberg XR9S & XR45S: The Bullpup Pistols
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Rock Island is selling these two Boberg pistols as part of a Lot 1089 in their upcoming Regional auction on February 14th, 2019.
Arne Boberg founded Boberg Arms in 2009 and released his first pistol in 2011, the XR9-S. This was followed by the longer XR9-L, and then the XR-45S in 2014. The conceit of the Boberg pistol is basically that of the Bullpup rifle: maximizing barrel length while minimizing overall length. To this end, Boberg used an unconventional system of pulling cartridges out the back of the magazine rather than pushing them forward, allowing about an inch of extra barrel in a given pistol. The resulting feed system is a bit complex and very cool, and reminiscent of the old British Mars pistols. It is not without its faults, though, and the lowest priced Boberg pistols were over $1000 retail, which significantly limited their sales in a concealed carry market awash with good options at half the price. In 2016 Boberg sold the gun to the Bond Arms company, which markets is today as the Bond Bullpup. Original Boberg production guns have, thus, become collectible items for those interested in unusual handguns.
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The XR45-S actually holds 6+1 rounds, using a double-enveloping magazine spring created for us by one of our customers.
Mr. Boberg, thank you!
It would be very cool to see or hear Ian interview you about your pistols!
Yes Ian should interview you. I am an entrepreneur and inventor myself. Built my own Gatling gun.
I own an xr45. It's a mini monster, still, it rarely leaves my side.
Very clever contribution. Cheers Arne.
"Bullpup"
"Pistol"
....I have several questions,
yeah... I sense a lot of reliability issues, I mean yeah sure it's cool that it has an inch smaller form factor than a Glock with the same barrel length, but bullpups have always had reliability issues. And glocks arent exactly a "small form factor" pistol to compare it to
@@agentbarron3945 Well yeah, but....Why bother getting a form factor smaller than that? Especially because you're not exactly shooting off at intermediate ranges where something like a Tavor would be more in contention.
Also, it's a pistol, the magazine is in the grip, It's already set pretty far back...so why?
@@VanillaMidgetSSBM CCW is the main reason. Where I live, if you have a CCW license you can legally enter "gun free" zones with a concealed weapon and if they see it they can legally ask you to leave and thats it. But the point is that nobody sees it. Which is a ton easier with a compact or subcompact design
Technically all pistols are bullpups, due to the feeding mechanism being behind the trigger (yes some have it above but the rounds feed from behind)
@@jackarmstrong8790 I am a month late but just wanted to let you know, bullpup refers to the "action" being behind the trigger, not the magazine or feeding system being behind the trigger. So while a normal pistol will have a magazine behind the trigger, the round goes on top of or in front of the trigger (see 3:28) meaning the trigger acts like normal. This bullpup pistol has the round load behind the trigger (see 3:50) so for the trigger to function, the action has to be moved to behind the trigger.
Hope this helps
Looking at the thumbnail:
"This is the dumbest idea in the history of firearms"
3 minutes into the video:
"I NEED IT"
I have watched a few of Forgotten Weapons videos with morbid curiosity going into it thinking the same thing and end up wanting one in my collection by the end of the video :)
Bond Arms sells these for about $1,100. It's cool but not that cool. They only produce ~150 per month.
@@TheNajSD thanks.
@Frank White a lot of the guns on this channel are deactivated or non functional replicas (don't know about this one though)
edit: the safety might be on, but it's on the other side of the gun so I can't tell
@John Smith how is Pocahontas, by the way?
Masterchief: “I need a weapon”
So get one !! Duh
Are you saying that it looks like the pistol from Halo? Cause is kinda does!
@@MrDerpy-ns6sy yes
@@IamDogge damn they do look like the halo 1 pistol
@@MrDerpy-ns6sy yes, and despite it's short barrel it's more powerful & accurate than the UNSC's primary bullpup assault rifle XD
Seriously, the best comment so far is Arne Boberg stating that the day HK's Infamous backward bullet ad came out was the worst day of his life because he thought they had beaten him to the punch on his idea!
I had to call a friend who then calmed me down. He had already seen the ad and patiently informed me that it was an error done by the ad man.
@Russell Barnes If the barrel tilted, it would be out of line with the cartridge, which is fed straight in. Plus, a rotating barrel gives a quarter inch locking delay to handle +P+ ammunition.
@@abboberg Ty for this design! I couldn't afford one until after Bond bought it, but now that I have one, I'm loving it!
@@abboberg i love the fact that the guy that actually designed and built this thing is on here commenting on it!
@@abboberg if only I heard of these gun sooner. As I'd would have totally supported a fellow Minnesotan building guns.
Of all the companies to buy this, it was Bond Arms. The company that makes nothing but derringers. I understand they did it for its compactness, but I love the irony of seeing so many super-simple derringers next to this one overly-engineered bullpup pistol.
Also it somehow only costing 1.5 to 2 times as much as said derringers despite the absurd difference in complexity and required machining.
@@ToastyMozart Their derringers are stainless steel and precision machined. Meant to be really nice derringers, whereas the Bullpup9 just is what is it. Not that it's bad in any way, just that it doesn't have as much of a premium markup as their derringers.
Bond Arms is very innovating and is a great company to refine and make the pistol even better. Many upgrades have been done already. Quality product
totally
@Jay Barker if a product is over engineered that doesn't mean it doesn't work for the intended purpose, it just means it's more complex than strictly necessary. I think this concept is as simple as it can be, but I think it's too complex a loading mechanism vs cost of manufacture to see widespread adoption. Still, that just makes it a more special gun for those who enjoy that sort of thing.
When I read "bullpup pistols" I was imagining something alot different.
Micro tavor 21 right? Same here
Something cursed
@@twitch.101 There's the X95 Micro Tavor the the TAR-21 I am in pain because you made me imagine a hybrid between the two
Same dude i imagined something like the "bullpup glock" meme gun 😂🤣
when he said bullpup pistol i just imagined same as what it looks like. Because it is impossible the way you think about it. Am i right guys. Please dont tell me that you can make a bullpup the way that i am thinking of it. For this reason is that i want to jump out of a plane.
"I don't keep it loaded, son. You'll have to find ammo as you go."
Covenant don’t drop ammo, but it’s ok, plenty of marines die to fill your mags.
@TiddyBlaster true but the person attacking doesn't know that I doesn't have ammo
"Shoots him in the head"
This is the first "silly complex gimmick" firearm that I have stopped and said "wow, I wish they made more of these/I want one of these"
Then buy one, Bond sells the new, improved version.
The only other one was the calico(? The helix magazine thing). I saw some reviews and gave up that dream real quick
@@SgtKOnyx
The Norks use helix mags for their AK's, they'd undoubtedly suffer from the same if not worse problems, especially since it is underfed.
I take it you never saw the AN-94? :)
@@andersbendsen5931 yeah its an AK 74 that breaks lol
Ah yes. My favorite caliber, "Massively Magnum".
Mighty Manly Mega Magnum ... uh.. +P
@@SonsOfLorgar
Perkele!
@@Bert2368 I got that reference!
Try firing a XR-45S loaded up with some hot .45 Super; I call it my pocket howitzer.
It's my favourite condom brand.
Completely unrelated, anyone got a rubber band on them?
10:44 admiring how well he did that gesture.
fishy swim
Smooth
As a mechanical engineer, this is so cool to me. I love how it encorperates so many different designs in order to do a single function. So cool.
Yeah me too.
I don't have a gun, I don't want one, there are to many around and so on, but the history behind some practical solutions of these mechanical problems is inspiring.
@@norbertscheibner8334 lol too many...
I feel that. I'm trying to get into locksmithing. But guns are just so full of amazing engineering. Honestly you can smell the sleepless nights spent coming up with designs until they were just crazed enough to come up with this shit.
@@ScriptedLinks Why lol?
Just seems like more stuff to break for me
"You're the guy with the gun"
I swear to god if I hear that ad one more time...
Sam T Every fucking video!
They should still probably get some newer ads though
@@MauriceLeviejr I know, It's just that it seems like it's on every single gun related video I watch
I read your comment AS I got that ad, what the hell!?
Another way to open an ad in a way that pisses me off is "What if you could carry a gun on you, so hidden, it was like the *footsteps of a Navy SEAL?"*
Y'know, that old Urban Carry holster ad.
When these first came out I thought science had finally crossed the line. A bullpup pistol was surely heresy and an affront to God. Then I got to handle two of them for an extended period of time and holy shit they’re still heresy but they’re interesting heresy
By the Emperor...
PURGE THIS HERETICAL COMMENT CITIZEN OR YOU WILL BE VISITED BY THE ADEPTUS ARBITES
Did someone say exterminatus?
They are heresy no longer, for they have been blessed by the divine hand of Gun Jesus.
Bushmaster had a bullpup pistol back in the 90s...
Innovation in the pistol industry really hasn't changed much in the past 70 years or so, other then polymer. It's nice to see something that breaks the mold of traditional pistol development.
I agree. I'm always excited to see real innovation from gun manufacturers. Problem is, when someone does come out with a new idea -- and this was no exception, as I remember from when Arne Boberg was developing it -- a whole host of shooters starts to scoff at it, derisively referring to it as "an answer to a question no one asked." I can't tell you how many times I read that exact phrase about this pistol, about the Hudson H9 when it came out, and the FK Brno pistol when it debuted. If you bring a genuinely new type of gun to the market, one that's not just another AR or a pistol that's not just another iteration of the Browning tilting barrel, haunt the gun forums; I _guarantee_ you that you will soon see a number of people dismiss the new gun as "an answer to a question no one asked."
I swear the shooting community has more backward-looking, unimaginative drones than almost any other group of enthusiasts I know. Some of them really act like they _want_ gun makers to fail.
They are trying to reinvent the mouse trap
True, but also if it ain't broke, don't...
Laugo alien though
i feel like we reached the spoon level of effectiveness with the guns, the only thing i can think is finding the next propeler that will revolutionize the gun industry, some videogames think its plasma, laser or electricity, but i think there has to be a different gas producing mixture that beats smokeless powder in every way, if the cartridges remain the same, i dont see how the weapons can change, or better said "evolve".
This is actually a really good idea. Kind of surprised there aren't more pistols like this. Getting an extra 1" barrel length for a small amount of increased complexity (assuming it's reliable) is a reasonable trade off in many cases.
But unfortunately you loose light and optic mounting space
@@why6212make a slightly longer version with a full sized barrel. Would give room for a rail and still be a compact pistol
The way Ian just whipped out a G43 for comparison makes me wonder if he personally carries one concealed.
I'd think Ian would carry a french rotating cylinder black powder rifled pistole... with a modern red dot of course.
_ VesBraun But of course! Perhaps a skeletonized MAB 15 instead.
Haha
What is better than your self made Khyber pass Bolt Action AK
I would hope he carries an ASP to match his old school operator aesthetic
The Glock is just his back up gun! 😅
A pistol so weird I'm surprised it doesn't have an upside down hammer and proprietary ammunition. I want one.
Unconventional, but is it that far removed from pawls pulling ammo from a cloth belt?
You might find the Alien by luogo or something like that interesting
@@rwbimbie5854 So it's actualy a tiny Maxim?
@@TonboIV Maybe its 1/1024th Maxim bloodline
@@rwbimbie5854 There's a lot more space inside a machine gun so the part that removes cartridges from the belt can be a lot bigger. On a Maxim type gun it's a rigid sliding piece that grips half the rim or pseudo rim, it's far simpler than the mechanism in this pistol.
My only issue is there not full-sized seven-inch hand cannons.
furry
@@asdf64a akimbo
my issue is that it can't have a bayonet attached
@@yosianderson4828 mood
Desert Eagle
I can feel Herrera rolling in his AK bed over this
Same lmfao
same
Send this to his cursed guns, if he hasn’t seen it yet.
@@R0gueM yes
Ya, slightly racist AK guy, make funny toxic gun community joke.
You sir is the Bob Ross of guns. I felt so relaxed and happy watching this.
LMAO so true
i watched it at 2x speed
He is the gun jesus
Like the guy that gave John Wick his "tasting" of weapons in Italy.
Since the round is physically pulled back then pushed straight into the barrel there is no feed ramp so it seems like the design would be very unlikely to jam.
Oh? An alternative to a no-jam M1911 as a sidearm?
Aside from the added rotational friction, this is a brilliant design. The feed system is somewhat reminiscent of an upside down belt feed, in the way it pulls a round back and flips it up.
Also not dissimilar to a shotgun, or lever gun that feeds from a tube magazine. Those don't need tongs to grab the rim of the cartridge and pull it from the magazine, since there's a spring at the other end of the magazine tube providing backward pressure, but they still hoist the cartridges up on a lifter and shove it straight into the breech end of the barrel.
Ian: Bullpup pistol
My imagination: small semi auto famas, with pistol magasine
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I was thinking of the Steyr AUG in pistol form but yeah, close enough
Dang that looks like the magnum from Halo, I want it
Paint one black and give it a knuckle-guard and you’ll be playing Halo 2
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that. My mind was going through all the ways I would need to modify this to make the halo ce Magnum but real
The Halo magnum is a bullpup, it would make sense.
DUDE I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY
@@Trollo_Swaggins and then walk into a school and play Halo 2
Arne Boberg actually ceased the business as part of the financial terms of a divorce he had to go through. (I actually emailed him in my junior year of college as part of a course project where we had to research the manufacturing process of a mechanical device, and I chose the XR9-S.)
@Cooper Davis Karen please let me see them they're my guns too
That seems odd to me. If he were paying alimony, wouldn't his ex *want* him to have a successful business? He can't pay her without income
@@RonJohn63 Good point
@@RonJohn63 Yikes
Yet another reason to stay single.
"remarkably small recoil spring" - Yeah I'll say... like from a ballpoint pen ;)
I'm looking at this and I'm like, "whats the benefit to this?" I see him take it apart and I'm like, "OHHHH". Yeah, we need more bull pups in the world.
but we don't lol. Bullpups are shit and hence why UK troops hate their rifles. This pistol concept however, seems to have all the benefits of a bullpup style weapon without the negatives of the rifle flaws.
@@DrMurdercock or it was designed badly, one bullpup doesnt equate to every bullpup. the ak-12 was terrible yet the ak-47 is still considered as one of the best
@@DrMurdercock the L85 is the exception. Not the rule
@@DrMurdercock the A2 with H&K's upgrades is actually pretty good, but your point still stands
@@DrMurdercock the only british bullpup that was hated was the l85a1, the a2 fixed almost all of the issues seen by servicemen and the a3 has improved upon it even more.
This design in a full size pistol with a twenty round magazine and six inch barrel. Could be a incredible all around pistol.
I have one of those, sort-of - I just made some extended barrels. 550+ FPE with +P+ ammo.
@@abboberg Interesting your design is impressive. As a engineer your design choices are very nicely integrated together. Cheers
And chamber it in 5.7×28mm.
@@Innomen well, then you just have a Five-seveN that goes backwards a bit.
@@stevenbobbybills I just want a compact carry pistol chambered in that caliber basically :)
The Bond Arms version dodges all the major gripes that i kept hearing about this gun. Feeding issues, malfs on somewhat rapid fire. Apparently Boberg was not that far from perfecting it, he just hadnt gotten there. I know a guy who's owned both, he says Bond does it justice.
The Magic of NP3.
IllogicalBear makes sense, in a lot of areas of production you are not going to find all the issues customers may run into till many have had it for a while, even when the original is well thought out and rigorously tested. One of the reasons to be cautious getting the first generation of anything.
And pretty wood grips.
Do the Bonds still have an issue with separating bullets from cases that aren't properly crimped? I remember that being a bit of an issue when they were re-introduced.
I'm actually immensely curious, so this is good to hear
thank you for taking the time to take things apart and explain how it works. it really adds a valuable and fascinating additional layer
I need one of these in .45.
Exact same magazine capacity as a standard 1911, and the benefit of not having to lug a 1911 around.
This is master chief compact version of his magnum 45 pistol.
Radically cool pistols. Always wondered about the concept of "bullpup pistols". Glad the audio was fixed lol.
The elegance of the work done here is pretty amazing. This is why I love this channel, seeing weapons that operate on unconventional ideas but execute the idea well.
I bet I got recommended this because of the memes Brandon Herrera was talking about, the "Fuck you, bullpups your ____" meme
you ever seen the one where they unbullpup your guns? even worse.
His gun meme review's title says "bullpup everything."
Yep me too
@@LetMeEatIt Oh GEEZ no. Why would they do such heresy.
@@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 they unbullpupped my P90. Imagine that.
So, is Bob short for Robert?
Boberg: *sigh*
Under rated comment
Roberg
Roberterg
Bobert
@@kickasspeanuts berdtoldt
That is one of the best feed system I have ever seen. I was thinking of a design where the barrel moves forward and feeds from the rear, but this gun works and my design is just on paper. Thanks ian.
This is such elegant engineering. It actually looks like someone tried to design a gun from the ground up, but not with the awkward ideas that usually come with such a plan.
I love the random feats of engineering you show us. I really appreciate it. Thanks, bud.
Well i hope Bond-arms do it right. But Boberg must be remembered for his nice sexy overengeniering
Look them up, everything i've found for the Bullpup 9 have been fantastic. I think they recently made a longer barrel version so that it can accept suppresors.
@@DarkhalfBreed a rotating barrel with a suppressor will reduce the impulse
Just took my new Bullpup to the range. A FANTASTIC little gun! Ran over 200 rounds and every one went BANG!
He's not dead man he's replied to some of the comments on this video lol
Looks like a brilliant weapon.
A lot of thought went into it, even with its flaws it made a unique and enviable weapon.
I remember when they first came out - great engineering. Thanks for this fascinating video, Ian.
Boberg got behind on manufacture. I was following this closely. People started calling him and eventually, it seems, he started getting bad reviews and the were some nasty customer service failures being posted all over forums. I think it was more an issue of manufacturing capabilities and eventual frustration, but I read that he's still involved in the business to some extent. Case of, "great engineer, not so great CEO," type of situation. It happens too often.
Theres so much that goes into making a new design work that most people dont think about it. It's a long hard process that can fail at any of its hurdles big or small.
@@roberttrester4030 yeah, I was pretty irritated at some of the greif that was given on the forums. I reminded several folks that this is a start-up company and you can't expect to have the same production numbers you get from S&W or Glock. It's just not feasible. I also reminded folks that, with a company this small, you can't expect the same kind of call volume to be handled. I'm a small business owner myself and understand how difficult it can be to handle things in the instant gratification culture of the US. But I also know how difficult it can be sometimes for the idea guy to also be the business guy. A lot of the time the creative genius just isn't wired for the nitty gritty business stuff. I think that might have been part of the issue, but that's just conjecture. I bet he's much happier being the patent holder/engineering genius in the workshop than the dude who has to handle the day to day crap that entitled customers throw at you. First chance I get to hire a Chief Bussiness Officer at my company, I'm going to jump on it myself. If rather be the service guy doing the labor and let some other shmo handle the profit margins and public relations.
I would make the comparison of Steve Jobs, Steve Wazniak and Apple. Jobs was the business mind and Waz was the creative genius. Neither could have gotten the company off the ground without the other.
7:19 "You Have Nice Stout Feed Lips" ....*bats eyelashes* ...Why, thank you Sir...U have a beautiful hammer action YourSELF!!
LMAO
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol
Oh, you! I bet you say that to all the bullpup pistols!
I know gins can be sexy but I believe you went in an entirely different direction than the rest of us
As a mechanical engineer, I just love the whole idea of the design. Outstanding from an engineering viewpoint!
Ye
Actually the same goes for a lot of military weaponry. The engineering behind it is just mind boggling
As a nerd who works with mechanical engineers, I concur.
@@julian5857 Agreed. Even the logistical support equipment is breathtaking.
1:04 I live for voicecracks Like these
Sounds like an owl if you play it over and over lol
Man, did u not have any, if not, u haven’t even gone through puberty yet
@@coolxg4357
I don’t think he means it with any malice. Think about when you’re talking with friends, and how funny it is when one of your voices crack mid-sentence. It’s kind of like if a friend falls, or drops something: you laugh _because_ you know firsthand how embarrassing it is. :P
@@KC-bg1th Sir, that’s exactly why I don’t see it as funny, *because I’ve experienced it*
@@coolxg4357 lmao you really pressed about voicecracks
Love the use of red bullets highlight the feed mechanisms. You're amazing Ian thank you for all of your hard work!
The snapcaps ?
They also look pretty cool, on top of being highly visible.
Ever since I first saw an FN P90 and shortly afterward the F2000 I've generally enjoyed not only the idea of, but the actual aesthetics of bullpup firearms. It never occurred to me that there would be pistols in the same configuration, and now that I'm seeing them they're quite nice. Personally speaking I'm comfortable to admit I have girl hands (I'm 6'2 and have the same hand size as guys 6 inches shorter than me) so this little 9mm would be fantastic!
You answered every question i had in mind, in seconds after I thougt about it!
Perfectly made Video!
Thank you.
I love this! I can see the engineering mind behind the design. Respect.
I actually own an XR-45S and use it as my every day carry. I lucked out and wound up with one of the harder to find versions with the Onyx finish, which is actually a surface treatment/coating called Ion Bond Diamond BLACK which is ludicrously hard, has an astoundingly low friction coefficient and renders the affected surfaces almost completely impervious to corrosion, dings and scratches. Once you get over the whole need for specific brands of ammo it's an excellent little pocket howitzer. Little known fact, the XR-45 series is actually strong enough to run .45 Super without any real danger of immediate catastrophic failure; however a constant diet of it is not recommended due to the added stress on the frame and locking lugs potentially shortening the lifespan of the gun and the whole needing to hold on the thing while firing .45 Super through such a tiny lightweight pistol isn't the most pleasant of experiences, ask me how I know. As far as the need for properly crimped ammunition I have experience with that firsthand; I had it out with me while at the public open desert range out in Maricopa while with a buddy and we were shooting several guns we had brought with us, including one of his .45's which if I remember correctly is a SIG manufactured 1911. We had a bunch of S&B 230 grain FMJ ammo he had bought for his 1911 and I had a few bulk boxes of Winchester white box 230 grain FMJ (yes, that cheap stuff is on the Boberg approved list and it runs just fine) but at some point he asked to try out the XR-45 and went about his merry way, running through the 3 magazines of ammo I had loaded up before throwing in the towel with a bruised area on his hand from the recoil on such a small grip frame. He went ahead and reloaded the magazines for me and when I went to fire I wound up with a face-full of unburned powder and a primed but empty case jammed in the action with the bullet still seated firmly in the nose end of the magazine. When he had reloaded the magazines he had used his S&B ammo, which is not on the list of approved ammo types because they don't put enough of a crimp on them from the factory. Overall though, it's a great gun and I have absolutely no major complaints about its performance as evidenced by my willingness to use it for primary carry.
Joshua Redhorse can you answer my question maybe? Might be stupid, but I don’t understand the reason for this gun to have rotating barrel.
@@srsneakyrussian7618 A very valid question. The design doesn't necessarily REQUIRE a rotating barrel; it could have been designed to use a more typical Browning-style tilting-barrel in theory and could have still been made to work. However, given the sheer amount of mechanical "stuff" there needs to be room for in the frame for the reverse feed bullpup design to function it probably made more sense to use the rotating barrel lockup which keeps the barrel constantly in-line with the breechface making feeding simpler and more reliable and removing the need to make space in the frame for the barrel to drop into. The rotating barrel lockup style also has been shown to require more kinetic energy to overcome it's own unlock cycle, largely because it requires the energy to transfer into lateral rotation movement to unlock as opposed to straight linear movement back and down, which means more recoil energy goes into cycling the action and less of it goes back into your hand and arm, meaning you feel less kick from the recoil. It may not be much, but it is there helping you out. Let's hear it for physics!
Joshua Redhorse wow! Thank you for such a quick response and you have explained it perfectly! Yes, every little helps, so to speak and yay for science! :)
I wonder if a less aggressive magazine lip and a proper follower could help eliminate these issues
This is one of the most interesting pistols I think I have ever seen. Very innovative, I'm certainly going to have a look at the Bond Arms version mentioned by another commenter.
Thank you Ian for yet again bringing to me another compelling design. As someone who's very interested in coming up with their own designs and mechanisms; stuff like this is like ambrosia to me.
I lost count of the number of times I said "what?" while watching this. It makes sense when you see it, though.
Nice to see someone actually got this concept to work. Nicely done.
DEJA VU. I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE.
HIGHER ON THE STREET
AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO GO
DO YOU LIKE... MY GUN?
That's what I was thinking... Groundhog Day was a week and some ago...
Oh man thats one of my favorite movies escanaba in the moonlight.....my chevy shook a shit 😆
@@fien111 nice one :)
I love engineering like this. It's not "Why did they bother?" but "I wouldn't bother" and any well executed bothering that I wouldn't be bothered to bother with is fine by me.
Fascinating. Thank you for another in depth look at a very unique piece.
You always show the coolest guns. I love all the weird mechanisms.
The best place to find an XR9L is probably up in Canada because they are very compact but still meet our weird minimum barrel length rules.
except isn't the overall length too short? I'm still not entirely clear on some of our firearms laws. Too arbitrary. Licensing was easy, at least..
Beautifully explained as usual Ian. Thanks :-)
The fact that the Arne Boberg himself has replied to comments on here is absolutely legendary.
That is really interesting, I didn't think there'd be much of a solution to any problem, but it does effectively shorten the gun. If this were to become a time tested firearm, I would definitely consider purchasing one.
according to the rest of the comment section, they’re excellent firearms
That actually doesn't sound tooooo complicated and having an extra inch of barrel in a diddy pistol is pretty sweet.
yeah I was actually surprised by how not complicated it was, pretty cool gun
What? It’s not even an extra inch. When he compares it to the glock he said they have close barrel lengths which I digress really all that work to move a barrel a half to a inch back. If they made the gun the same length as the glock but with the same mechanical design then yes it would have one inch ahead the glock but still the exact same overall length.
A you don’t get an extra inch compared to the glock, as you correctly surmised, but rather an extra inch compared to a conventional pistol of the same length as your bullpup. I’d imagine that’s what OP meant here.
@@Islacrusez they are the same barrel length inside or close to is what is stated in the video. I was saying if that same design was used on a full sized Glock it would have a half to inch extra and it's the same original length overall gun with extra barrel inside.
Ian, an intellectual, is gun jesus himself: "these er, grippy arms"
I've seen this video in my recommended at least ten times and it never fails to make me feel sick and lightheaded.
Very cool. That is a neat little gun. Thanks for the video.
ah yes, the mars. I do remember the times of forgotten bergmanns
No this mars is unrelated to the bergmanns. It was invented by a guy named Fairfax.
@@FokkerAce1917 Yeh, it's the other OTHER mars. :P
Rotating locking barrel reminds me of the PX4 Storm. Helps with recoil and keeps the barrel more stable for consistent grouping.
This is an engineering masterpiece, truly beautiful construction, i love every detail of it and how it's made!
I love your videos man .
Guns are guns , I appreciate the engineering .
Featuring PKM feed claws
That's what I was thinking!
The Czechs did something like this in a rifle.
As always, I am going to give patent information. 8,061,255 B1, 22 November 2011, Firearm with Cartridge Pick-and-Place Mechanism
It took me a good part of a year of my spare time to write that patent. David Pressman's book, "Patent it Yourself" was an excellent guide.
Arne Boberg oh hello boberg
More moving parts!
Thanks for the uploads...
Absolutely gorgeous machining. It's like functional artwork . . . I want one!
the halo pistol in real life
Glad I'm not the only one.
@@bshap495 nice
Now that I look at it, yeah
I now need a 45 one with an extended mag.
Halo handgun is a 10mm or would do it Justice as a 10mm.
"...and verily did Gun Jesus show the His disciples the design of the bullpup pistol...and the multitude rejoiced in His goodness."
Browning 22:50
amen
And in that day terrible firearms were to be found across the land. And few there were that found the promised land of bullpup design.
This seems like it would be an excellent system for feeding rimmed cartridges or even for a magazine fed shotgun.
Another thing is that with a rotating barrel which does not tilt and only reciprocates slightly, a rigid suppressor could be attached to the frame instead of the barrel with little leakage and no need for a decoupler piston.
I was waiting for Ian to reference the Mars - rearward pulling of the round, rotary locked bolt.... THis is lovely though.
Looks like a great CCW. I'd consider it easily.
This would be a great carry option if it didn't cost an arm and a liver
Plus I would replace the grips and might be milling a slide for to put on sights They want a grand and I have to work on the gun .
I mean, you can hold it with one hand and where your liver was you can make a nice pouch, it'll fit in there.
Bond arms is much better
If you want one and not for an arm but still a leg Bond arms bought the design and make it under the name the Bond arms Bullpup.
Just sell your kidney for one
It’s strange it feels like this is how it should’ve been the whole time
these are the coolest pistols ive ever seen!
„Massively Magnum“
My favorite type of caliber.
A masterpiece of engineering design, this system would work exceptionally well with caseless ammunition.
I'd also be very intrigued to see how this configuration fares in accuracy trials.
the advantage for caseless is no brass to eject (so no extractor mechanism) and no cost for that brass. But how would the caseless (therefore rimless, or a groove in the powder) cartridge be yanked backwards out of the magazine? I don't see the packed hardened powder being stout enough to accomplish that part of the cycling. Has that been solved in another firearm?
@@carlc88 I suspect that it would require a different kind of solid propellant, likely triggered using an inductive electronic ignition instead of a firing pin (like the Metalstorm system), with an extremely thin protective polymer coating that would exit the barrel following the projectile & disintegrate like a sabot. Also, instead of using the cartridge to achieve obduration (which wastes some of the energy of the propellent), this could instead be achieved with careful machining/CAD design of the barrel. (The placement of each round from magazine to barrel would necessarily need to be fairly precise, but this isn't an insurmountable problem.)
*Heckler & Koch* developed a brilliant caseless system all the way back in the *1980s* (!) with the *G11.* (but ended up shelving it for non-technical reasons).
I reckon that after 30 more years of technological advancement, we should be able to replace the anachronistic tech used in most guns for something far more representative of 21st Century ingenuity.
Really fascinating pistol! Great presentation
I didn't know this type of pistol existed, very interesting and thanks for sharing.
I remember getting to hold one of these at a rifle range when I was younger. I didn't shoot it, but I remember the guy was so excited about it. I always kinda wondered what it was and what happened to the company since I hadn't heard about them since then. Now I know.
While on the phone with Bond Arms back in late 2016 pre-ordering one of their Bullpups, the Customer Rep mentioned that they had a few Bobergs left, that were ONLY for sale to purchasers of Bond Bullpups, and, they had one of the prototype Boberg Bullpups, allegedly the only one ever made with a red anodized frame for a small premium, and would I like THAT pistol? Why, YES, I would, thank you very much! They arrived in June of ‘17.
Great video.
I knew Ian was going to mention the Mars pistol as soon as he said "In this way this harkens back to only one other historical pistol really".
This man saw the backwards HK magazine ad and made it a reality. I love it.
Would have pretty cool if they made a longer barrel that stuck out to give it a full 6inch barrel at the same size of the standard non bull pup pistols.
Even a complicated "Bullpup Pistol" that pulls the rounds backward, STILL manages to make the AN-94 look like a Saturn-V rocket, comparing the complexity.
They are beautiful and cool and quirky and delightful!!
Thank you for the INCREDIBLY educational video!
Very interesting system. Nice gun
I am one of those that can only observe guns from my seat n 'play' with them in games but this a hella cool concept.
Those mechanics are awesome, love it
Very interesting. Thanks for the video!
The feeding system looks like a mix of the PKM and a lever action winchester