How To Drive a BMW E60 M5 SMG Transmission - And How Not to Drive a BMW E60 M5
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- How To Drive a BMW E60 M5 SMG Transmission - And How Not to Drive a BMW E60 M5
There are a few ways to drive the BMW E60 M5 and its SMG 3 transmission, and there a few ways that you shouldn't drive the BMW E60 and it's transmission. Let me show you the best ways to drive it, and how to maximize your enjoyment of this great BMW.
The BMW SMG 3 transmission is relatively unique, and it carries with it a few secrets. The normal automation "drive" mode is the worst, and most sluggish way to drive the BMW E60 M5. It's also not the way to drive the BMW E60 M5 SMG transmission. Don't do it like that because the transmission is sluggish and it just feels like you're driving a terrible car.
Instead, you want to put the car into manual, use the paddle shifters, and get this car up to shift speed 5. Don't use the 6th speed shift, but instead keep it in 5 and you'll feel like the car is fast, fun, and you'll enjoy driving the car daily. Basically, this is how to drive a BMW SMG transmission, and more specifically, the BMW E60.
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I've been riding 100,000km for 10 years.
During that time, I always drive only in S-6 mode.
Manual only with paddle shift.
Of course I sometimes use up to 8000 rpm.
Still, I have never changed the clutch.
The important thing is to use 1st gear when it drops below 10km / h.
Never start in 2nd gear.
That way the clutch will last longer.
It's thrilling but definitely fun.
This car is a master piece that never will comeback 😉
It came back
Jadon Banks explain ?
Its a never sell
Это самая красивая БМВ за всю историю!!!
Imagine buying an M5 and only using slow shifting automatic mode 😂🥱
Not this cowboy. Cheers.
🙋🏻♀️Me, using it as everyday car plus I cannot have fun before I reach the first 1,200 miles 🙇🏻♀️
I’ll cruise automatic all day, save the gears.
I know.... what a waste
@@HB-tf5mvlol you have no idea what you're talking about
I use level two(SMG2 on 2005 E46 M3) all the time. Level ONE skips first gear. No good.
Even at Level one two, the shifts are MUCH FASTER THAN TWO SECONDS. They are purposely slow, but LESS than ONE SECOND.
I use level TWO auto shift in severe traffic jams in South Florida.
Awesome.
When traffic clears up I readjust. It takes no time to push the rocker switch at the shifter's basr.
I LOVE MY SMG2 in my E46 M3!
There is free CSL software online that can be downloaded that make shifts almost as fast as dual clutch!!
You’re 1/2 right. Full auto is the worst, but owning this car and not driving in M mode all the time is criminal.
That I would agree with
3:26 oioi lovely bit of subaru
I drive mine in Manual, 5 bars, power button on, edc set to 2 bars. oh, and the active seats on full....
Hey there Kevin, I agree I also usually drive in similar setup and I never go auto as it is painful in that mode. This gearbox tuning was meant to be a sequential manual first and foremost and they threw in the auto to pick up a broader market and clientele.
You guys drive like this all day 365?
@@Cardinals_garden Well.. I do during the summer anyway. My E60 M5 does not get winter driven. I have an e39 540i 6 speed for winter driving.
I'm the same as you, only I put 1 bar on the EDC coz the roads in Wales are shit.
@@fdhghv That's true.. the suspension really tightens up.. Depends on the roads on as well..
I drive D, level 3, DSC off, Power button lite, all the time. Michelin Pilot Sports no issues. I only use DSC when it raining, and even then I rarely see the DSC light flickering, even in Power mode, which I pretty use all the time.
Perfect advice. Once you active M mode, DEFINITELY do not want to turn off DSC for daily driving. But for a quick “demonstration run”, DSC off and 6th Gearbox mode enabled ( in a straight line) is the way 👍🏻
Dyes it’s a lot of fun
Nice, just to add, for the Euro version, when you switch to manual mode it automatically goes to 5 bars not 3.
That is true, and some people like this better and therefore a tune can rectify this for North American cars.
I bet parking especially on a gradient is a major headache though with no clutch control. I wish they had just made a manual version with this with a clutch.
It’s actually not that bad
i think bmw e60 m5 v10 automatic is best because i dont know how to drive manual
Almost certain when switching between manual and auto it remembers the previous shift speed setting as opposed to a default setting.
I was told that should always swap the smg for something else, and after some research I see why
It can be problematic but when it’s set on aggressive mode, it works well and is suited to the car.
3:27 that 22B 🤤
Mine is set up to go straight to the fastest shift just by hitting the the down paddle shifter….love my v10 its amazingggg, traction always of, otherwise sometimes there be a pause, which is the traction saving the car from sliding wild.
Hey thanks for the info, I'm looking at buying one and didn't understand the transmission. I have paddle shifters on my current car but they're so sloppy I never use it lol.
Also these transmissions learn your driving style and adapts to it. strongly recommend reset the gearbox adaptations when you have bought the car, becouse its very hard to un learn the previous owner. make sure you have the latest SMG3 update, D shouldnt be jerky at all, atleast they dont in Europe.
I just brought my m5 e60 a month ago and I’m learning about it little by little Lear a lot watching your vids thanks... so this car is better to be driven in manual mode so that it can cause less damage to the smg? When driving in manual and let’s say I’m in 3rd gear can I drop it into neutral like a regular manual transmission to hit the brakes and slow down instead of downshifting? If not what the best way to downshift when your approaching a red light or would it downshift on its own?? And this is something that I don’t seem to understand what’s the proper warm up procedure b4 you can start revving the car or pushing the car to its limits? Is it when the oil level is at half?
Hi, I appreciate your content. It helps a lot. I own a 2008 E63 M6 with full akrapovic performance exhaust system, I also prefer manual. Just one thing though, lately I tend to hear some light woow sound when shifting gears, I don't know if you l've experienced this before or maybe the sound is from the exhaust itself. Any idea what it could be?
Sort of hard to say without hearing it, but for me as a rule with the S85 engine, if it runs, and there are no engine lights or codes, it is likely good to go. I know these cars make a few noises that many cars do not such as the cold start.
@@ECPP a stupid question. When you change gear with paddles, is it necessary to lift your foot off the accelerator?
@@negracooo yes, treat the car like a manual for the most part. you dont have to lift your foot all the way tho
100% ACCURATE. 🤗
Thanks a lot for watching
Little known fact: major maintenence item at 60k to 80k miles is the 12V MOTOR that drives the pump.
Remove motor, disassemble, clean brake dust with Brake Clean. Inspect commutator and all bearings and bushings. Reassemble and reinstall.
If need be, it can be rebuilt by several outfits in the United States. Just send yours in as a core, and if you get a rebuilt motor in return.
In Fort Lauderdale, we have an outstanding place called Lauderdale Battery that could rebuild one on site.
My motor just needed to be cleaned and reinstalled. It was severely clogged with dust from the bushes, but the brush length and all other components were still okay.
What issue did you car have that you needed to do this service?
Hi, how about driving in manual with 4 bars is that ok or it harms the clutch too much?
Thanks for the video!
You are very welcome
you do realize that if you start counting at 1 and end at 2 its 1 second
Love your videos man! Keep up the great content!
How o you treat the transmission at a stop? Is it OK to not have brake in gaged? Thanks
everyone is too busy talking about the SMG and not talking about the 22b that was parked up at 3:26
You my friend have a good eye
Very good eye mate
Might be a strange question but I'm a bit confused since it's not a "normal" automatic transmission - do you ever have to worry about things like stalling, or rolling back on hill starts? Also do you have to let off the throttle when shifting up / down? Or does it manage the throttle for you?
Would you say an m5 with 50-60k miles would be reasonable to buy ?
How do you go by stopping the car? I usually put in into neutral when coming up to a red light. If it’s a short stop, I usually leave it in 2nd
For me I generally downshift through the gears unless the vehicle speed is quite slow the n I throw it into Neutral.
So manual 5 mode puts the least wear on the clutch just as I thought.
But do you drive in manual mode too when you drive in the city or there's a traffic jam?
And how do you downshift when you come to a stop light for example or you come to a full stop - do you downshift till you reach the second gear and then you just break and shift to first gear when standing still or do you fully downshift to first gear. The latter isn't as good for the transmission I think.
Philipp K I drive mine in manual mode all the time. It’s just smoother.
Honestly, I drive with 3 bars. I, for some reason thought driving with 5 bars kills the clutch sooner. Lolol
Its harder on the clutch with 5 bars if you are driving really hard such as full throttle and higher revs due to the driveline shock on every shift. If you are driving moderately to spirited where it does not hammer the system, then this will allow longer life since there is less slippage to the disc when engaging. It generally boils down to to your drive style. BTW, I always drive in manual, city driving included.
Just downshift normally or put it into neutral. Also putting your car into neutral coming to a stop is actually a safety issue
Faster shifts actually wear out the clutch faster, only shift into 1st if fully stopped , the SMG is a manual transmission you will wear out the teeth on the gear box, treat it just like a normal manual
@@floridaheat305 After reading most of the Q&A on this thread, I'm not sure anyone of you should be allowed to drive a vehicle. Never mind a Sedan capable of going far North of 300 km/hr
Do you have to take your foot off the gas each time you shift like in a regular manual ?
You can but you don’t have to. If you keep your foot down, the car shifts a bit more abruptly
As an auto they are a total joke as a manual they are jerky unpredictable and very fragile so I have heard. What were BMW thinking. I own one of the last M6 V10's made with this box. They should have just stuck a 6 speed manual in it as they did for a few US cars. I had an SL63 that was great in auto and seemless in manual and you didn't need to set it up to work. It just
Worked. This was a case of any BMW being too clever for their own good. Most important thing to remember in M mode is to lift off the gas between shifts, or the car slams into gear which can only mean excessive wear. Great car, with a confused gear box.
Agreed
When changing gears whether in automatic or manual setting, do you have to release the throttle in either way?
For automatic which the best bar
Can you advice
when I put mine in manual mode my default is speed 5 on the change speed. Perhaps you can change the default setting
This is hard coded and is not user accessible by default. That being said, a tune or flash to TCU can change it. Its basically a permanent setting.
How do you switch back to auto mode?
I drove my cousin's, shifted my self and i was in manual, couldn't figure out how to go back to auto
@@Robert-Cinque777 push the gear lever to the right it moves back to centre but is now in auto push to the left it is manual
@@warwick600tt thanks
Last time i redlined it 🤣
Great video. All information is 100% correct!
I have important additions. See my comments.
One critical point not mentioned. This thing came to bite me in the ass.
My idiot mechanic did NOT install a brand new DUAL MASS FLYWHEEL during a new clutch install. The springs in the old flywheel were quite weak.
The flywheel ended up transmitting EXCESSIVE shock to my drive train. As a result, my entire drive shaft and components were destroyed!!
Everything!!
I learned absolutely nothing from that video. You have no idea how to articulate and relay your thoughts in an understandable way.
Literally, only thing I got off of it was to drive it in manual
😂
is there anything wrong with driving it like a automatic and not manual or is it more of drivers preference
You can drive it in auto mode but then I would suggest sliding the shift speed up. Nothing wrong with it other than it is less engaging to drive
ahh ok thank you am new to smg and manual cars thank you tho 👌🏼
I also drive in auto do you recommend to put it to 3 bars or all 5??
those Subarus at 3:25 though haha
Haha
I seen another vid and the guy was saying to take your foot off the gas every time you shift gear so the clutch doesn’t burn out is that right?
I keep my foot into it when I am driving hard as it shifts harder and faster, but lift off when driving casually. Keeping foot on is a little more shocking to the whole driveline for that moment.
It's been a year, but hey.. Cars manual actually tells you to shift with your foot on the gas.
So my wife’s m6 started lurching when engaging a hear it almost feels like someone who has never driven stick before is driving the car. Do you think that’s a pump failure a valve or the clutch itself ?
Did you find out what the problem was?
I just got an M5 2006 and when shifting (manual/automatic) it makes this noise like someone is hitting it with hammer once between the shifts. Like there is a kick feeling between the shifts!
FYI smg pump has just been replaced 1 week ago.
@Honesty First thanks alot! I will try that once i wake up in the morning..its a very annoying and stressful issue..im afraid it has something to do with the transmission.. because smg pump was replaced last week.. I'll get back to you once i try this.
And yes my question was for you as well as for the guy who posted the video ✌️👍
@Honesty First thank you for the tip. It did help a bit by resetting it, but car has a slight kick when trying to move from stop also as well when shifting gears when stopped..so i think its my engine mount..ill have them check once i get a chance and let you know..
hello so yes i dropped the smg and the clutch was gone at 76k miles. which is fine i ordered a new sach clutch for 500 the fly wheel was healthy and passed all the tests for a dual mass fly wheel so i reused it. otherwise i would have to get one from luck for 1k . I reinstalled everything took me about a day in total i did this with a lifted bay at my shop. I then reprogrammed the transmission via ISTA D utilizing the 3 step process and also realigned the shift forks. Car is just now finishing the brake in process for the new clutch it takes about 1k miles and its running like new.
@Honesty First ok so the car totally stopped and it would throw me back and forth when shifting gears and then i pulled over because every time it changed gear, i felt i was being rear ended..so took the car to European shop and clutch is gone..now its being replace. Clutch and mass fly wheel change was recommended because its best to change the fly wheel at the same time( they come in one kit, cant be done separately).
You look like Colin Farrell mate
I drive without trackion conrtol in the winter to
M5 v10 best car ever
Yes and I agree it is amazing
or M6 v10..
Does a shorter shit time (so full 6 bars) translates into higher wear on the transmission overall compared to 1-3 bars?
I would say yes. Same as on. Gallardo with a similar system. And the quicker the shift the less the slippage.
@@ECPP Hey, thanks for answering. But doesn't the slippage in itself cause more wear as well? My E60 with a torque converter gearbox does a lot of "slipping" in the first 2 gears, apparently that's the way those things are designed.
Where is the P in knob? Why is in neutral
I cant understand ,this gbox have parking mode or just neutral?
Just neutral
Hi there! We just bought an 2007 M6 and not knowing a ton about the SMG trans, my wife mainly drives the car on D mode and I notice a delay in shifts between 1 and 2 as if someone who is learning to drive presses down on clutch then it engages. She plans to mainly drive in D mode on, so what settings do I need to adjust for smoother shifts?
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How do you have a German version in US?
I really struggle to get the point.
Hey mark. Question, is it possible for the SMG pump to fail due to winter weather. I live in upstate NY and I have noticed before my pump went that the car has been shifting differently
Hi, not sure if cold would impact it but generally oil creates excessive pressure and restriction when it is very cold and It would not surprise me if it was a contributor. It was likely going but the cold may have accelerated it.
ExoticCar PlayPlace do u think it’s something the insurance company will pay for?
Ok, change the rod bearings, throddle actuators,vanos, rear end, smg pump, fix anything that can go wrong with the e60 ,and you got your self a gem of a car. Poor fuel economy,who cares, only 500 hp, 507 outside u.s.? Blah blah blah. This is my favorite of all the m5,s and people who use to crap on this car for it,s looks, well hello BMW m4 a.k.a beever teeth, which look better?. I pray I can own this car one day, it,s that damn good 👍
Absolutely, and I still have mine, and thank god, that lady real M engine, all others are duplications used in cars, SUVs etc. watching these go back up in value
This is my 5th time here😳
I just got an M5 2006 and when shifting (manual/automatic) it makes this noise like someone is hitting it with hammer once between the shifts. Like there is a kick feeling between the shifts!
FYI smg pump has just been replaced 1 week ago.
What would be the issue?
Probably a snycro does it go in to other gears?
same thing happens to me, but only when the motors cold and in low gears.
@@aedenroland1030 I've sold my M5 5 months ago, but my issue was that my clutch was going bad so i replaced it. It did fix some of that kick feeling
@@republicofu.s9642 clutch was just replaced before I bought it 2 months ago, and after learning how to drive this trans it went away lol. my solution was making the setting to 5 and having the quickest shifts, apparently thats also the least wearing setting for the clutch.
Crappy video, showing some guys face nobody cares or wants to see. Not well explained, talking about insurance and what not. Bruh show the gearbox, show the paddles, show the dash, do better
Cheers
Time spent providing useful information: 1:30. Time spent repeating repeating himself and mansplaining obvious details: 5:00. Friendly FYI: Helps to consider your audience and the background knowledge they likely have
Ouch, but thanks
😊
Thanks
rodbearing failure incoming
stay positive
I just bought one... but it has a new engine with only 23k on it, and the owner re-machined the crank and oil valleys to eliminate that problem, he spent 14 grand on it.
OMFG HE KEEPS JUST TALKING NONSENSE 😂🤣
lol, thanks
At 3:26 he drives by two 98 sti’s...idk bout you but I’d take a subie over an m5 any day
You need to talk about something more than just your M5. Don’t get me wrong, I do think you’re very knowledgeable about the car. It’s just you seem to be reaching, and running out of things to talk about.
Mike Colz you are very ignorant... Just before you wrote that stupidness I was thinking that this is the first interesting video he's done... I respect this guy for what he does
Didn’t mean to trigger you. Hope you found your safe space.
Mike Colz go watch other UA-camrs bro why u still here
Good translation in greek laguange!!!