How to replace BMW E60 M5 - S85 Rod Bearing Tutorial - Outlaw Euro
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2023
- In this video, we're showing you the best way to replace the rod bearings on the BMW S85. We also show you the process of replacing the vanos pump, vanos line, and the crankshaft gear. We're always open to suggestions, so please let us know what else you'd like to see!
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Thanks! just replaced the rod bearings on our M5 with this video.
The most information video I seen on s85 rod bearings ❤
Thank you very much!!
Would you provide part numbers for rod bearing and bolts and the lube you used that would make I way easier on the part list
Great video bruh
Thank you!
Seriously asking how much are you guys charging for this job
On my m3 e92 rod bearings and oil cooler was about $4780 with labor and parts and appears that’s actually a good, bad price don’t want to imagine on v10 m5 maintenance
@@Dragon-pv5oj We can definitely help you out with that! Just text or call 402-314-7670 and we can get you a quote!
Hi, excellent video, keep them coming, at what mileage do you recommend changing rod bearings? Mine is 2008 with 40k miles.
Thank you! Will do! On factory bearings we recommend changing them every 50k, on the ACL Bearings you can go a little longer though. We are located in Lincoln, NE
@@outlaweuro I lived in Lincoln 14 years, now im in Chicago, man wish we had a shop like that before, you probably know some Bosnians there, as we all were in cars!!!
looking at buying an e60 m5 or the e92 m3 as someone just starting to get into cars what would be the smarter option?
I think the rod bearing issue is such a big issue because so many m5/m6’s were heavily abused in their early years. Driven hard from cold, burnouts, repetitive launches etc
The most important thing is allow the engine to warm up gradually. The second most is to make sure the oil gets changed when scheduled..
I never rev my E60 M5 or drive it hard until it’s completely warm. I only use the car for occasional long journeys (have a little city car for day to day use) and basically give it the respect it deserves.
I would agree with that!
If you have to baby the car so much is not a good engine.
@ it’s a high performance, high revving V10
You have to let it warm up before giving it excess load. That is to be expected
@@mista5796 Yes, I know, but it is one thing to do proper maintenance in a strict manner and quite another to have a design error, the issue of the bearings is a design problem, both in this M5 and in the M3 E46, like the one that I have. The fact that a manufacturer specifies as a sine quanon condition that 10w60 oil be used already practically makes it explicit.
@tolerances on this F1 engine based design are so narrow the oil almost doesn’t get in on cold start, major design flaw
This a great video and easy to follow. How much do you charge for the rod bearing replacement and Vanos pump rebuild?
Email us at bmwoutlawz@gmail.com and we can get you an estimate!
oh this job looks easier than I thought. The garage's near me will prob charge 50 hours... -_-
Do not do that! That is a rip off and not right. We have people send us their cars from multiple states away for that very reason. We hoped this would encourage people to get theirs hands on their cars but if not, send the M car over and we will treat your right!
Would you recommend 10w60 as per BMW or 5w50? heard from some that it might superior. I may purchase a high mileage one and plan to basically revamp everything, would just take a whole lot of time and money.
Personally, we prefer to stay with 10w60
My e63 m6 has got 159,000 Miles, Grey 2006 Model. OEM rod bearings, had the car since 2007.. not a single issue.
But instead of 10w60 I’ve been using 5w50, I drive it daily.
People don’t understand this car, majority treat it as if it’s a Toyota “yeah bro let me hit it hard whilst it’s cold nothing will happen”
This rod bearing thing is too exaggerated, love this car.
(Plus It’s got Long tube catless headers with sprint mufflers)
Sounds like you have quite the beast!! Have you been running the 5w50 since you got it?? That very helpful to know that 5w50 has kept yours going so long!! But yes, the rod bearing issue is blown WAY out of proportion. I think some of it is from UA-cam videos from 4-7 years ago, a few big people said it and now everyone says it. Probably one of our top comments "WhAt AbOuT ThE RoD BeARINgS!?l lol. I've learned to accept it, helps to keep the price down for us enthusiasts to get more of them 😉
@@outlaweuro haha you got the last sentence right.
Yes I’ve been running it with 5w50 since the day I got it, the only “Popular” failing point was the throttle actuators, it sent car into limp mode but it was nothing lol, since I had warranty that time (it happened in 2011) they got changed for free lmao.
I had a Mercedes e55 amg before this car (2005 model), and it was the worst car I have ever owned.. I don’t know if it was not taken care of properly or something, but it was low in miles.
Love this car, never ever gonna sell it
@@outlaweuro I had this one funny incident occur with me 2 years back, I was taking my cousin for a ride in my car (he loves s85 sounds), the moment I cold started it.. I decided to give it little rev for the guy to hear (till 3 rpm).. he was like “BYE BYE ENGINE”
So weird bruh, people treat this car so odd 🤣
@@nurlan-bj2sc those cold start revs and launches are risky!! We've seen some people start them up and go hard right away and other that won't touch the throttle for at least 15min after start up 🤷🏽♂️
I still own the 2007 M6 e64 I bought new.
The bearing issue is over blown. A set of Michelle Pilot Sports costs twice as much a full bearing kit (including vanos line, bolts, bearings, gaskets, etc.) and the tires last 22k miles at best with no burnouts or hard handling.
no need to check the rod bearing clearances?
What about the top side bearing (rod side) ? Is it only necessary to do the cap side shell only?
No! Definitely do both bearings!
So when you leave the vanos pump in place you dont have to measure the backlash? I am planning to do the rod bearings next oil change
You have to measure backlash if you loosen the chain/either pump
Anything special you have to do with the steering fluid once you put it back together?
Just bleed it like a normal power steering system. Just make sure you use the CHF 11S
I have e60 with 22k miles on and would like to put ess supercharge,, should I change the rod bearings?
To super supercharge? Yes I would change the bearings
I’m looking into purchasing a 2008 M5 with 103k miles on it what should i be looking for before buying?
Does it have any service records? Check to see if rod bearings, vanos line and pump have been done. Also good idea to see if the clutch has been done. If you have access to a scan tool, bring it and check for codes. This may be a stretch but if possible, see if you can remove the oil filter and check for metal flakes
What engine oil grade do you recommend?
10w60 Liqui Moly or BMW Twin Power
Did you use the same bolts for the helical crank gear??
Do you mean re use or use the rod bolts?
@outlaweuro yes sir did you re use the helical crank gear bolts I'm wondering because I'm in the middle of doing this job
And what is the torque spec for that small bolt in the middle of the helical gear
Hey brother, hope you are doing well.
I wanna ask something, my friend has m5 e60, and around 70,000 miles. He has the stock rod bearings still and never checked in mechanic if they are worn or not. He doesn’t drive it daily, yet uses 10-60 oil, the thing is that he can’t change the bearings cuz it’s hard to do it in the place he lives and delivery would take ages, he is wondering if changing to 5-50 red line, or if not red line is other brand 5-50 ok? would that solve the issue? Keep in mind they checked the oil and no metal shavings came out, it was clean. So can he just use 5-50 oil? He drives it once a month cuz he has other car which is daily driver, would wanna know your response
See if he would be interested in getting it transported to us! But we recommend staying with 10w60. 5w50 would help with the rod bearing wear on cold start but offers less protection when at operating temp and the vanos system is designed for 10w60. Allowing more time for the motor to warm up before going above 3k rpm and heavy load should help the bearing last longer. What year is his m5 and has he had the oil tested at blackstone?
@@outlaweuro 2008 and no he didn’t do black stone testing, also bro I don’t think it’s possible to bring the car there since we are not in the USA 💀.
We are in a country which is near Russia so they would ask a lot of 💵 to import that thing there🤣.
But I would ask him sure, also thanks for the response regarding the oils
@@rbtubehd4201 lol yeeeah that may be a little too far to transport! No problem! let us now if you have any more questions! Hope you guys are doing well!
@@rbtubehd4201extremely cold weather? 5w50.
How much does it cost to do rod bearings e60
$3500 is a solid base price and includes vanos pump rebuild, arp bolts, ACL race series bearings, and all the gaskets, fluids and labor
How much do you guys charge to do this job and what would you also recommend doing while tackling this job ? Am thinking about doing this cuz am at 95k and motor has never been opened up ?
We recommend rebuilding the vanos pump and replacing the high pressure vanos line while you're in there. Whenever you have the chance, call or text 402-314-7670 and we can get you a quote!
Will do thanking about doing this but if I do it going to make sure I get everything together and have someone do this cuz it’s a big job if not going to end up selling the m5
Can u please explain the backlash and how to measure it?
We're currently making a video on it! It will be on the channel soon!
@@outlaweurothank you so much
When doing rod bearings looking in front the engine it's top then the second one is bottom and it go's like that all the way back??
What do you mean? Too then bottom!?
I mean when you are under the engine witch one is the top bearing and witch one is the bottom when you looking up at it
@@catalinosolorzano7054 The big end of the rod that goes around the crank is the bottom, the side the connects to the piston is the top
Who put coolant in the oil?
I noticed that too lol
This is why Germany lost WW2. Their aircraft engines were not serviceable in the field; had to be sent home for rebuilding.
They were not serviceable because they were jets lol. Bmw invented the first fighter jet engines.
Thanks for wearing gloves.
Whoa! The V pump… how many miles on your S85?
This was a customer car but the motor had 120k, the bearings in it before the previous rebuild were very worn , which most likely contributed to the pump failure. We recommend having Dr. Vanos rebuild the V pump when doing rod bearings!
@@outlaweuro thanks for the response. I own 2 of these Unicorns and they are awesome! I give them the VIP treatment myself. I look forward for more content. Make it more detail. Length doesn’t matter to us, believe me.
@@jeremiahex Will do!! Thanks for the input! We werent sure if people would want very detailed content on how to repair these beasts or if they wanted more of an "overall this is how" format That's awesome you have a pair of V10's also!!
@@outlaweuro Yes sir! The greatest M5s ever made. Friend check out M539 Restoration channel. The dude there has 7 videos, very long ones, on how he restored an E60 M5. Look at how many views each video has. Us enthusiasts, DIY guys don’t mind long videos at all. On the contrary, we want all the details. Can’t get enough of them! I hope the best for your channel. I am a subscriber now. Also, any and all videos on the S54 too! I own the Z3 M Roadster with that platform: my little Blue missile!
@@jeremiahex You're reading our mind! Brian, who is in some of our videos, has a super clean E46 M3 that we will be making some content with soon. We love watching M539 Restorations as well, his videos are great! Thank you for your input and for subscribing!!