HAMAS defender UNLOADS on LonerBox for being a Bad Leftist (ft.
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- @DylanBurnsLIVE and LonerBox GANG UP on a random pro Hamas, anti Ukraine caller named Prometheus who has some tough love for Loner: is he a "self hating" Arab for having critical words for the Hamas Leadership in Palestine? Or can he fact check this caller's death cult derangement?
MOMENTS:
00:00 highlights
00:35 self hating leftist
05:55 the where's waldo of discourse
16:32 Israel vs. Ukraine: pick ur fave
25:21 Dylan loves N@zi$
31:29 defending Krystal Ball
47:58 the unwinnable war
1:02:48 the ouroborus of t3rrorism
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LonerBox and Dylan are a good team
Especially when it's the other guy casually brings up Ukraine to debate during a debate on Hamas.
@@camerongaul261 Dylan was like 👀?
Tankie discussing another topic something without mentioning russia/ukraine.
Dificulty - impossible.
From defending russia to defending Hamas, one brain damage away from defending ISIS.
More like a question away
Hamas has the same playbook as ISIS tho
From defending Israel to defending imperialism.
Siding with the oppressor over the oppressed is not a left wing value.
Sorry.
"Cruising down the street red white and blue, my truck, my beer, my putin tattoo. "
Tankys everywhere.
Yes the Russian flag is also red white and blue.
@E.J.Crunkleton true, that's why lefties are throating autocratic and theocratic regimes, right? To fight oppression?
"HAMAS defender UNLOADS on LonerBox for being a Bad Leftist"
-Somehow not a porn parody
"bad, bad leftist!!!!" *Unloads on BonerBox*
He was in a BonerLox the entire debate wym
He did ask if loner had a bf 😳
Ooooof I can’t unsee now lmao
LonerBox representing the ever shrinking corner of sane leftism.
😮
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The last oasis in the desert.
we have reached the point where leftism just means liberalism now. The definition of sane to you is whatever goes with the state department the most and doesnt antagonize the status quo
@@GreenBolshevik Thank you for being an object example of the insane leftists I was referring to.
"If you don't agree with me, you're a shill for the state and you worship the status quo!"
Right wingers say the exact same thing by the way. Horseshoe theory is real.
@@GreenBolshevik The definition of sane to me is not acting like an incoherent baboon. Like you are.
What's with his anger towards criticizing leftists followed immediately by homophobic jokes and insults
it's tankie brain, and probably self-hate with the homophobic stuff
He s a muslim
I get that you can separate economic leftism from social issues, but to jump to Hamas who want to eradicate jews and gays and impose sharia, that's some serious cognitive dissonance.
@@alliedatheistalliance6776 and you arent wrong, Hamas was made by Amin al Husseini and PLO, they both worked for Adolfs intrests
they even met in the famous 1941 picture of the 2
theres more too: PLO, ARA, FAL, Amin al Husseini, Abbas, NSDAP, Muhhamad Rashid Rida, Houthi, Golden Square of Iraq
Well that what we get when some guys on the left are so naive that they don't understand that humus supporters are literal fascists... I haven't seen many right wingers calling for actual harm to LGBT ppl, but with the Islamic side tho ..
Maybe the maddest I have seen Lonerbox lol. It's frustrating when people weaponise identitarian stuff that has little to no relevance to an argument.
that caller makes it really to get mad ngl
Imagine spending so much of your life learning about international relations, conflicts, history, trying to make the most informed conclusions on some incredibly complicated topics, and then having to seriously argue with yet another person whose whole perspective is "America bad".
And its actively doing damage. Calling out an Arab as an “uncle tom” because they don’t take the fanatical view
it's crazy. I wonder which side of the political spectrum made such a thing possible with their obsessive obsession with such hings?
@@thearchivistprimaea7292 nazis?
"Maybe if hamas/palestine built a society for their people to live more comfortably instead of building bombs, and then actually had leadership willing to talk to Israel for peace, (plus other things) then the region could be doing better and they could end the war and get a palestinian state"
"... Well, that is great to keep up the status quo but ok"
Status quo? You mean literally changing everything and ending the occupation and getting a palestinian state is the status quo?
Do they even know what this means anymore?
no he's right from his PoV. The staus quo is Israel existing and he cares more about killing Jews and destroying Israel than Palestinians actually having a state.
Status quo is Israel existing
They've been prevented from building a society for their people since the 1960s, even earlier if you count the pre state Zionist assassinations and mass murders of indigenous groups.
Voices of the oppressed are only heard thru violent action.
With your argument, indegenious groups will only ever be oppressed and never free. Generational slaves for the Israeli work force.
This is a terrible point and not at all what Lonerbox was saying. The Palestinians were never given a "state" in 2005, as Israel still controlled almost all the economic levers of power and the water supply. The Gaza withdrawal was nothing but a strategic move away from occupation on the ground to occupation via airspace and border control.
The problem with Hamas is that it's managed to undermine what little had been achieved with the peace process and make life worse for everyone in the Middle East, not that it could have created a Singapore in Gaza
@@ravenmusic6392 I think you misunderstood the comment as I read it as supportive on Mr. box. Thanks for the addition, tho!
supporting violent nationalist fervor, racial essentializing, appeals to masculinity, sex work shaming, homophobic jabs. this guy is just a right winger who got lost
Wow, what a progressive sjw kuh k u sound like 😮
The red green alliance is certainly confusing but very well established in the last 100 years
I am a right winger and I am slowly coming to the realization that as you go extreme on each side its becoming exactly the same
I am a lost right winger who used to be a leftist and now I’m sitting in a centrist room with the walls closed in while everyone goes nationalist. This guy arguing takes the right Russians and so called left Hamas and ends up being the worst kinda thing but at least he’s consistent. The right in left both favoring different savagery rn but shunning the other is kinda stupid tbh. I would say Hamas or Russia either way is pretty supportive of EXTREME conservatism and certainly identarian. I guess I’m a real deal liberal again 😂
@@Itamar536. I'm mostly a right winger as well, and have been surprised at how some of the more extreme people on the right that I listen to are actually now forging alliances with factions on the extreme left.
that image of him describing the hamas leaders as "revolutionary" with the image of him on screen in unbelievable luxury hundreds of miles from people dying is like something out of black mirror
Loner box destroyed this fool.
Lonerbox is just so fucking based it's ridiculous. Destiny orbits him.
Destiny worships him, that's why he calls him bonerbox.
that gnome destiny WISHES he could have the delicious bonerbox
He’s ok. His knowledge pre-67 is mostly shit tho
he’s cute, definitely top 10 of destiny’s orbiters
@@duvdavan1325whats older judea or Mecca
"Our best hope is that the enemy kills so many of us they become slightly depressed" HAMAS Seems to take thier tactics from Frankie Boyle xD
That's essentially the only way that insurgents can win against a colonising power without the support of a major power (such as the Viet Minh with Chinese and Soviet support). Insurgents aim for a political victory, not a military victory.
@@adrien5834yeah but the political victory is making the occupation too costly in either money or lives of the occupier forces.
Getting your own civilians killed just so you can make the occupier feel bad is something that wouldn’t have worked any time before 1950, and no other group tried it before.
@@adrien5834not true, insurgents rarely had a strategy like this, most nations will happily keep killing more and more
really america is one of the few nations that tried to kill while winning hearts and mind, which in retrospect it's obvious why that strategy is stupid
@@adrien5834heck Afghanistan is the best example, russia killed like what? 10x times what americans did and americans are the bad guys that destroyed the nations in people's eyes that have no knowledge of the regions
@@pedronabais1456 Well, I'd argue that the FLN in Algeria or the Viet Minh in Vietnam used exactly that strategy, and I'd further argue that they were right. They won. At a great cost to their people, yes. But they won.
Not even 50 seconds in and holy shit
🔥🔥🔥
This was an absolute war from bell to bell.
It didn’t seem to matter how many of his examples LB debunked, this madman never lost an ounce of his self-righteousness.
Complete and utter clowns these people are.
Israel cannot lose!
You are a breath of fresh air. As a person from a muslim background, thank you for pointing out how blood thirsty some people can be regardless of where they stand politically. I'm not interested in more innocent lives being ruined or taken away whether it's Jewish lives or Arab lives. A peaceful future cannot happen with more and more bloodshed.
Bro really just said, "at least I support the Houthis"
*Me being Yemeni & have my whole family in Yemen dealing with the horrible things Houthis do to them:* 👁👄👁
the way this guy jumps the gun with many of his gotchas tells you he's seen those arguments on twitter and wants to throw them at Loner but he's not intelligent enough to know when or how to use them
This guy's existence is a PSA against drinking while pregnant
cmoon hahah thats a bit 2 much x')
As fucking insane as this guy is, he is pretty accurately representing the position of the arabs and muslims I've spoken with over the past six months.
They've always hated the jews. You can talk to any one of them in the west and get their opinion on it. They've never been discrete about it.
And the college students across the sphere.
As an Arab I can confirm that
As an Arab, thank you very much Loner. I grew up under a dictatorship and due to my visceral reaction to it, I ended up admiring Israel. I always tell people, an actual Palestinian state would just be another Lebanon. We have to learn to govern before we actually assume responsibilty for things.
Is that a commonly held thought? Are you an American?
Admiring Israel? Tell me you dont know the history of Israel without telling me.
@@sunnydlite-t8b Israel is objectively the best country in the middle east in terms of standards of living and they do it without oil money. Not only that, they have an actual standing army and a multiparty political system. It is objectively a success story in terms of development. What should stop me from admiring this?
@@EgyptConqueror No, no, bad Arab, bad Arab! Why are you not happy living under the threat of death by a dictator/random militias/terrorist of the day
@@sunnydlite-t8b Tell me you don't know the history of the middle east without telling me.
Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, everyone of those countries literally killed and displaced far more Arabs then Israel ever did in it's existence.
homie said its an existentialist crisis like he was gonna drop some quick meta ethics on why russia is justified
The existential crisis of being prevented from invading your peaceful neighbour.
Ironically, Hamas actually is an existential crisis for Israel as their stated goal is to wipe out Israel and all the jews. And it's not like there's any other jewish nation they can flee to, or even christian countries if they can 'globalise intifada'.
Lonerbox is fucking based goddamn
doctor kyne?
@@donny5302 Don't believe Captain Mathius
I really appreciate that Lonerbox is a pretty level headed guy but not a doormat, dude knows how to bring the heat when he wants to.
“I like when Arabs live.”
Well said, same.
In 2006 i worked with some Lebanese guys building a bridge. I asked what was going on, and they said, "a bunch of crazy people have taken over our country" they were talking about Hezbollah. They must have been bad Arabs too.
Arabs should believe what the privileged revolutionary LARPerd half a world away tell them to. That’s just logic.
BASED BOX TIME
Prometheus unhinged!
I didn't know Lonerbox was this based. Now I know.
Now you know
How have I only just found this guy? All this time I never knew Hasan was just this guys evil twin
I love how he's like we should arm Ukraine and Palestinians at the start but he doesn't even support Ukraine 😂😂
He’s so handsome when he’s serious 🥺
Let's be honest with ourselves: he's just a good looking guy.
Pflpgc stands for "Palestinians for liberating palestine group chat"
I really appreciate lonerbox.
I love how that guy tries to make the point of honoring Britain’s dead soldiers. You’ll note: Britain still exists to honor its dead.
It's really interesting that people who really aren't effected by the conflict are really happy for Hamas to keep fighting reguardless of how disastrous it is. It's the same thing with some of the diaspora at my uni, where people who have never been to Gaza or the West bank support the violence because it's "they're people" even though it just hurts everyone more.
That being said, I think a better argument from the caller would be that this sort of organisation was inevitably going to emerge, given Israels lack of willingness to talk during the past 20 years and the massive increases in civilian casualties. It's kind of like the Lebanon argument, in that, yes, Hezbollah is awful, but the circumstances for it's creation and popularity were almost entirely created by the Israelis
You’re so close. “Hamas and Hezbollah are because of Israel”
So all the BS in Syria is their fault too? How about Yemen? What about the growing Muslim Brotherhood support in Egypt?
At a certain point, Arabs might have to actually accept some responsibility for their regressive societies. Just a thought
43:37 this is insane and why im burned out on debate. Lonerbox makes a bunch of statements that can be agreed with or refuted but the other guy doesnt engage and goes on insane troll logic tangents and deflects and grandstands
"Serious lonerbox isn't real, he can't hurt you"
Serious Lonerbox: 😡😡🗣️🗣️
+1
"I'm pretty sure they would abandon Ukraine for Israel" is a very weird take, when we can see that's not the case with the aid packages that just passed. The Ukraine aid bill is funding equipment that will be on the ground in Ukraine within days. In the case of Israel, the funding deal funds equipment that the US might send in the future, isn't being immediately produced and sent over.
Yeah, it's also just kind of useless to be like "What if the US only had one gun left to send, how would they choose who to give it to?".
Loner can't be a self-hating Arab, he's white and therefore Israeli. 😉
😂
The jingly jangly bracelet guy!
Appreciate finding you. Appreciate your wisdom, thanks for sharing ^_^
Thank you for enduring maddening people as well. You are doing a selfless service that deserves great appreciation. Keep it up!!!!🙌🙌
Lol, they were having a fun but unhinged back and forth, but as soon as Destiny was brought up you could tell the caller was actually butthurt
Lonerboxes takes here are such a perfect encapsulation of my own feelings on this issue. I just wish that I could articulate the positions as well to others.
Wow this dude is insufferable. What's absolute worst is that he seems to think he's smart and that he made good points.
I love it when Dylan randomly invades the stream. But it’s even funnier when loner gets heated enough to shove him aside and debate the person himself. 😂
I just love when people don’t know how words work
I'm 100% an Israeli schill but at least my love of Israel had me cheering for the survival of my people. Its wild i care more about palestinians and want better conditions for them than their loudest supporters.
Preach ❤ I'm an Australian Jew israel shill
It's pathetic that you and I as Jewish people care more about Palestinians and Iranian people and like Muslims in general than the actual supposed to people who are pro-palestine it's f****** wild no I can care about my people and want my people to survive while also caring about other people and their survival it's amazing how you and I as Jews can do that at the same time but the other people won't
This a fucking 1000x
then you must hate the current government with a burning passion, and must have hated Netanyahu since Goldstein was murdered, right?
typical comments on Lonerbox vids.
As a person this is antihumanist. Agree with me
I've never seen someone corrected so many times in one conversation.
Kinda scary people like these exists .. how did he end up like this in life, brain damage maybe?
Honestly I think you should put a "ft Dylan Burns" in the title because the dude def pulled his part.
bro came in and burned all over the daggone discord call. even bonercox was quiet
Good god. This man does nothing but harm to these causes. When you so proudly parrot obvious propaganda and are not even interested in some semblance of truth.
Isn't there some debate among the Lebanese whether the Lebanese are Arabs or not? So to say "you're a self hating Arab" seems a bit wild. It's almost as weird as saying that to an Egyptian lol.
if you believe dna stuff, seems lebanese are closely related to the caananites
@@thewkovacs316 Why would someone not believe dna stuff? That seems a bit crazy, no?
@@MrRazmut because this type of dna testing, dealing with dead civilizations, is highly questionable....
@@thewkovacs316 you're a question!
@@thewkovacs316 why?
Normally you have to go to certain websites to watch a guy get so ruthlessly spit roasted 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fucking phenomenal performance and content, that guy got absolutely cooked, absolutely loved this
Love you, LonerBox!
holy shit, as someone who lives here, thanks for speaking out!
These people are the reason Palestinians are barred from any genuine or well informed support. Actually sad.
I love that this dude has the balls to show up again after getting demolished by Destiny. So he goes "oh shit, that doesn't work, let me try to debate some smaller streamers but this time, I'll bring topics I'm even LESS knowledgeable on""
Bro brought up the Odessa clashes like he did something 😂 I lived 10 minutes away from that building
New subscriber - and happy to see Dylan ❤
Genuine question for lonerbox and the community here. Following the Armenian, Greek and Assyrian genocides in the early 20th century and where the Arab region found itself during two world wars. If Israel did not exist, does anybody think Jews would have been banished, executed or faced any other type of democide in the Ottoman and Arab world?
Arab violence against Jews is often alleged to have begun with the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 or as a result of Israel’s capture in 1967 of territories occupied by Jordan. But even before the Mandate for Palestine was assigned to Great Britain by the Allies at the San Remo Conference (April 1920) and endorsed by the League of Nations (July 1922), Palestinian Arabs were carrying out organized attacks against Jewish communities in Palestine. Systematic violence began in early 1920 with murderous assaults by groups of local Arabs against settlements in the north and by Muslim pilgrims against Jerusalem’s Jews. Again in 1921, Arab rioters attacked Jews in Jaffa and its environs. The primary agitator behind these attacks was Haj Amin al Husseini, who marshalled Arab discontent over Jewish immigration into violent riots.
In 1929, Husseini and his associates fomented a violent jihad as they called upon Muslims to “defend” their holy places from the Jews. As a result, pogroms were carried out across Palestine. Arab villagers sympathetic to Jews were often targets of murderous attacks by their Arab brethren as well. British forces were sharply criticized for not policing the territory adequately, for sympathizing with the Arabs, and for standing by and allowing havoc to be wreaked upon Jewish communities in Palestine.
In 1936, the Arab Higher Committee, led by Grand Mufti Husseini, launched a campaign of anti-Jewish violence across Palestine. Accompanied by a six-month-long strike, the campaign became known as “The Arab Revolt.” As the British increasingly became targets of Arab violence, they used massive force to suppress the aggression. The revolt was finally quashed in 1939. The resulting White Paper of 1939 reversed British commitment to a Jewish State (the raison d’etre of the Mandate) and drastically limited Jewish immigration into Palestine.
I have 2 thoughts on this one is based on the Quran amd the other is based on geopolitics of the time
1) the Quran says that the Muslim "rapture" for lack of a better word can only commence when all Jews are killed
2)the Arabs at the time hated the European Jews that were brought into the reigon more than any Arab Jew living under the Ottoman Empire, but almost all European countries outright refused to take in any holocaust surviors so they had to go somewhere and so the British put them is what people now call Palestine (never an offical state btw) and the Jews eventually made Isreal, which they defended in several wars against the surounding nations, which is how countries have been built for thousands of years
Maybe. The Middle East in general is super fucking racist, and I think that many Arabs were less upset by the mere presence of Ashkenazi Jews and more by the movement of Zionism, an upset that unfortunately did turn into bigotry, since early Zionist settlers were pretty bigoted and exploitative towards Arabs and did just kinda expect them to roll over (we’re talking Pre 1940s btw). Even as someone who’s aggressively anti-Israel and anti-zionism I don’t think Arab Nationalism is a better alternative to Zionism. In fact, fuck nationalism in general while we’re at it.
Idk why this is recommended to me but massive kudos to you dude! ❤
is russia REALLY the second most powerful army in the world? they not looking very strong. or are they just not throwing everything they can at Ukraine? Like the US with Afghanistan. The motivations were obviously different.
It was a common claim before the Ukrainian Invasion. They're not throwing everything they can at Ukraine, because Putin can't begin proper mobilisation because of domestic concerns. I doubt they're the 2nd most powerful army in the world, but definitely top 10. They're decently large and can manage overseas deployments like to Syria, which is more than most Armed Forces can match.
I think they are maybe 2nd/3rd depending on how capable the PLA actually is. It's just a massive drop from USA in first
I think they are still in their siege-mode tactics that were so effective for them in places like Syria and Lebanon, but the effectiveness isn't translating 1:1 on a larger scale and with the West supplying aid to their siege target. Who's to say the long game still isn't Russia's best bet? I wouldn't know
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Calling these people "spectators" is perfect
This was legendary
the funny thing is that these people are never consistent in their opinions. the guy who was on was a complete clown without any logical throughline, he just has a reflexively anti-western stance.
Saw you first on Destiny’s streams. Now I’m here. Keep up the good work.
Is this that guy in Ireland??? He debated Destiny as well, if its who i think
Yes, and even more stupid.
I honestly would have guessed Singapore, I was shocked by that reveal
Based Lonerbox 😊
Long time destiny viewer giving your content a try. Enjoyed this vid, reminded me of old destiny bloodsports. Subscribed
THANK YOU
holy shit lonerbox going HAM lesgooooo
Lonerbox: Angy edition
AngryBox = Ultra BasedBox
Bro this episode is like battle of the weird lollipop accents that aren’t even real
Based Box 🤠💜
You are doing good work
"self-hating Arab": so, an Arab with self-awareness?
This guy bringing up these homophobic comments out of nothing is a big red flag.
Lonerbox, you are awesome. I just came across this in my feed. While our political ideologies might differ in places, me being a conservative jew in the US, after watching this, I agree with the other comments around here: that you are representing, and representing well, the sane corner of leftism
It hurts, man, it effin' hurts!
I feel like I just watched a customer service call nightmare.
53:31 this guy has these ideas that there's a global revolutionary movement and everybody's locked arms as opposed to a bunch of at most tangentially related movements of varrying degrees morality just persuing individual goals
This guy actually made my brain shrink with his audio waves
Can someone link me the interview with the hummus guy telling channel 4 that they are winning?
Wow this steam was so long ago
Didn’t destiny debate this crazy turk?
I saw 1 more comment thinking that as well, so prolly, i guess
“At least I support the Houthis”
What a smooth brain….
"my guy"
I feel dumber for having listened to that guy try to argue. Keep fighting the good fight Loner
My only problem with people with no connections to Israel politics talking about Israel politics is that they don't understand anything about it and it is very clear from the conversation. The idea that people throwing Ben Gvir name as like he is a politician that anyone in the government gives a rat ass about regarding Nukes is amazing to me. Israel Government is made out of a coalition of political parties. Ben Gvir represents a small and insignificant one. The only reason he is in the government is because they needed 61 mandates to win the elections. He also didn't have enough votes so his party joined to another one so their voters wont split between them and they got 6 mandates... 6...It is nothing. He also cried about it a lot, that people don't listen to him. But all these internet political analysts think that he is some kind of a hot shot that can convince The prime minister to do anything lol.
It's true that everyone except for his followers knows he's an ass but he has influence not from his insane ideas but from the fact that he can bring down the government by pulling out of the coalition and that gives him influence on Netanyahu. I believe that's why we were slower than we should have been in providing humanitarian aid which in fact has hurt the war effort.
@@letXeqX
Any political party can say that they will leave and by doing that they will bring down the government. All of them even threatening from time to time that they will do it. So what? You kbow how many times Ben Gvir said that he will pull out if Bibi will do X? You know how many time Bibi told him that he can suck it? Bibi even said it point blank in live interviews. He's party needs to agree with him if they want to leave, if they leave when there is a right wing government and it will fall while there is a war. It is like the worst political thing a party can do to their base.
He is nothing, he can't do nothing. He knows it, Israelis knows it and people in the world like to look at him as if he has any leverage while he has to go with the program or lose the tiny mandates that he have.
People speak about him like he's Netanyahu's right hand man lol
Based
Subscribed! btw, Where is Lonerbox from? His accent is unique
Scotland
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Is this a reupload?
Dylan uploaded his version a few days ago. If you're subbed to him, you probably saw it there first.
@@ForbidnOne
Oh ok yeah makes sense. Was having some serious deja vu
bringing up Ukraine when Dylan is on the call was a dumb move
This person said my guy at least 100 times also where does he live does the arab guy criticizing loner box even live does he have to live the consequences that he thinks are good outcomes for other people
25:37 that’s the most insane answer I’ve ever heard.
You could be screwing in a lightbulb and another guy comes, pushes you off your ladder and smash the lightbulb on the ground, and this dude would say “hey don’t criticize him, at least he’s doing something about the lightbulb.” 🤦♂️
You're awesome man
I wonder how representative the Hamas defender is of other Hamas defenders
as soon as u ask this guy a simple question... like why was there a blockable when hamas got into power... he just pivots and laughs because he knows that answer and wants to obfuscate. idk if its just my algorithm or what... but never have i seen an opposing or neutral commentator on this issue be as dismissive as that. maybe u could argue hard right Israelis are equally as dismissive about settlements... but ive never heard them excuse direct instances of suicide terrorism.