Asking Hasan about Ukraine was a BAD IDEA...
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Ethan from H3H3 decides to ask Hasan about Ukraine...I don't think he was expecting this answer
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"no one on the other side is saying we should absolutely support the Houthi rebels" LMAO. This aged like milk.
I literally just came here to make the same comment and did so before I saw yours
No way lmao when I heard that
I couldn’t tell if he was being sarcastic or if this was the before times when the video was made 😂
@Aaron-rw3lv this is September 2023 so right before everything blew up
@@ezragoldberg3132 the "Houthi rebels" are Yemini military that kicked out the govt that US and Saudis put in power. They have every right to patrol Yemini waters.
We have Ukrainian kids in school with our children here in central Europe, so the only thing I need less than "manufactured consent" to support Ukraine, is some American fratboy soying out " 'cause 'murica bad".
The biggest tragedy I see is how people treat Ukraine and Ukranians generally, they think of them as selfish entirled spoiled neonazi brats and dont deserve anything, also whenever the Ukranian Military conducts a strike you see people saying oh no shouldn't have done that you will be crying when Russia launches missiles at you.
Ukrainians to people like Hasan aren’t people with autonomy or lives. They are just pawns to be used by either Russia or the West. It’s sick
We have refugees from the war all over the schools in my municipality and I would literally die for every single one of these kids. Don't need a news report to tell me how to feel about their situation. Of course we all care more or less about something depending on how much we know and how much we are told, but that's such a meaningless point.
Ethan calling Russia fascist like his life depended on it was so satisfying goddamn
lol ya than he immediately went to defending Israel like his life depended on it.
@@joshuagunderson6593 I haven’t been keeping up on that matter, I remember when October 7th happened and I feel Ethan had quite a balanced view on the situation. He may have flown of the handle since then as most people do when discussing Israel Palestine, but the initial discussion was him trying to get Hasan to say “it’s not cool of Hamas to attack and murder civilians” for 2 hours while Hasan pivoted endlessly.
@@joshuagunderson6593Ethan has been quite consistent calling Netanyahu a war criminal, and donating thousands to Palestinian relief funds
i hate when ppl say that ukraine literally means "the border". yeah maybe in russian, but theories from ukrainian scholars say it's just literally "country, region". even russian has word "krai" that's used in the names of several subjects inside the federation. but idk what i expect from hasan, ofc he would use that name origin theory as an argument too
Even if it does mean that, "Denmark" is just "Danish borderland" and everyone manages fine without calling it "the Denmark" or questioning Denmark's right to exist. Well, Swedes occasionally might, but I *think* they're usually joking
@@skua675what is a denmark? There Is no denmark Just northern Germany/s
@@skua675
*Used to be the core of a Scandinavian Empire in the form of the Kalmar Union.*
*Still named borderland.*
Denmark just can't win.
My home country Bosnia is named after a river. That river is called Bosna. Bosna means river. My home country is called River. Does this mean we're not a real country or that we can only exist around that specific river?
No.
It means we own all rivers. Surrender your rivers. Every Bosna belongs to the Bosnians.
@@NaimHrustanovic India is also named after a river with a name that means "river" (and it's actually in Pakistan too, not India). Whoever wins this battle for dominion over all rivers, I pray that they are merciful to the rest of us
Hasan’s dialogue tree breaking as soon as he talks to someone who isn’t terminally online is very telling
@@donovan4222
Okay…?
@@donovan4222 No. Nothing good ever comes out of arming radical religious fanatics.
This is not something that happened at all. The video started with the claim that everything Hasan knows about this consists of talking points you can fit in a post-it and the conviction that he knew the word Minsk but not a single thing about the agreement. It’s telling that none of the assumptions of the video were true, it’s almost like someone got their preconceptions from being terminally online.
The difference between Hasan and the commentator in the video is as follows: Hasan talks out of his ass, into his own mouth, out of his dickhole, into his own mouth again.. gargles that shit and finally regurgitates whatever abstract word salad he thinks will make him sound convincing while saying absolutely nothing at all, while this guy simply says it how it is and actually makes sense.
It’s amazing how much you can dismantle someone’s dialogue tree by merely saying either “why?” or “what do you mean?”
This whole "guys stop fighting! 😢" take that some leftys bring the Ukraine war is fucking crazy to me.
"let's not play the blame game, both the rapist and rape victim have a responsibility to stop this brutal rape as soon as possible. anyone trying to help the rape victim clearly just wants to prolong the rape"
@@falamblewhat you mean "anyone who want help victim of rape just want prolonge rape"
@@ВадимЗагнітко giving aid to ukraine will prolong the conflict
@@pekka405 to provide aid to Russia by buying its oil and gas will continue the conflict and then Ukraine will not become Hungary and Slovakia and maybe Poland will elect pro-Russian leaders and you Americans will twirl your finger in the temple why undemocratic populists come to power in NATO and EU countries and all the billions help these countries will go to the ass again as usual
@@pekka405 to provide aid to Russia by buying its oil and gas will continue the conflict and then Ukraine will not become Hungary and Slovakia and maybe Poland will elect pro-Russian leaders and you Americans will twirl your finger in the temple why undemocratic populists come to power in NATO and EU countries and all the billions help these countries will go to the ass again as usual
"I don't know what the Minsk Accords are what are they?"
"I mean you can't just say 'I don't know and move on' ... [Proceeds to waffle on about generic bullshit, never explaining what the Accords were]"
What a weaselly little liar, dude
One of my friends lost her father fighting the russians in Georgia. It was definately an invasion.
they say that if you go into your bathroom at night, turn off the light, and say the word "multipolarity" in the mirror 3 times, the ghost of an F-35 will airstrike your house
I said "hegemony" and when I came out of the bathroom there were two F-35s in my bed
@@jascu4251😮
@@jascu4251There are some subreddits that would kill for that.
@@John-qv5ux NCD?
@@thewingedserpent5823 NCD. Lockheed bless them.
It's amazing how much of a weasel Hasan is
Well of course I care for the Ukranian people! *proceeds to talk in broad brushes that isn't related to Ethan's question, also add some yeahs in between*
Don't insult weasels like that.
Such a weaselly little liar, dude. Can somebody tell Hasan he's literally lying to his audience right now?
WEASELY LITTLE LIAR, DUDE!
Hasan goes full ACAB when it comes to American cops but when it's Chinese cops oppressing and raping HK protestors, he's all Back The Thin Blue Line.
Not all Americans feel like Hassan guys. Support from Ohio.
LonerBox from the bottom of my heart, thank you, lately i starting to feel realy depressed because of the western views of Ukraine and how it was seen before that, watching you debunk every tankie point give me hope, best of everyting to you and your work.
dont worry im a lefty but ya disagree with Hasan's nonsense in this case. I fully support Ukraine and hope They can achieve their freedom. Hasan is trapped by his ego and cant just agree Russia being a bitch
Support for Ukraine in (most of) Europe is still high. There are definitely worries (particularly in Slovakia and the US), but tankies are over-represented in online spaces
@@jascu4251 Considering how media portrait expectation from Ukraine it for sure seems scary when it looks like (atlest to me) that its expected from Ukraine to kill everyday more than over 10 000 and capture a major city, and i think it reflects on readers, for some reason its almoust 90% of coverage of war from the west. I hope im wrong, war ruined my plans in life for sure and im not sure how to manage it at this point stressing out to often and im one of the lucky ones. Crap its a ramble at this point but i hope my take is clear for understanding.
@@dragonhunter6102 I think a problem here is also likely to be the extreme levels of uncertainty. Everything is so up in the air its difficult to really assess, and a lot of people (and the media) generally look for easy answers where they might not exist. This also extends to government where its not necessarily particularly clear what outcomes western governments are looking for (some form of "Ukraine survival plus" but with hesitancy)
Unfortunately I think this level of uncertainty may carry through until the US election of 2024. Although that being said the Slovak elections this weekend are also potentially really important, partly as a bellweather
@@jascu4251 Also we see how pro-russian media do and making moves in propaganda but nothing done from the west, only by volunteer's work its doing ok in any way, look and DylanBurns for example but channels like BBC are doing nothing, western media loosing propaganda war hard and for some reason doing nothing about it, cant wait to be called nazi for 100-th time in the west in next USA electins.
To quote that one tweet: That's not a himbo that's a himbecile
Hasan is such a dishonest slimeball, respect to Ethan for calling him out.
its disgusting how he's pretending to have a nuanced take now but then proceeds to use russian propaganda rethoric, talking about LPR and DPR like they're actual states, the whole 'The ukraine' basically means this country is named border of russia bs.. such a bad faith person
He's just uneducated but slot of things could of been more said to further the development of Russia's sovereignty and this at the end of the day is what it is all about, not bending the knee to any western provocations
Hasan goes full ACAB when it comes to American cops but when it's Chinese cops oppressing and raping HK protestors, he's all Back The Thin Blue Line.
Hasan will totally rep the logic behind the Iraq War, Vietnam War, and Nazi invading the Sudentland, as long as it's a red fascist state capitalist totalitarian dictatorship country that's anti-USA that's doing it. The pathetic defenses of the Uyghur concentration camps would apply to Guantamano Bay.
Hasan is a weaselly lying spineless tankie.
All the complaints about Ukraine cutting off the water supply to occupied Crimea reminds me of an old Romanian joke:
"What's the epitome of rudeness? Taking a dump on somebody's doorstep, then knocking on the door to ask for toilet paper."
Man, it is unbelievably frustrating listening to Hissan and his ilk talk about Ukraine/Russia and pearl-clutching about Ukrainian lives while also talking about them l as if they are stupid and don't know what's best for them and their own country. Why should they make an agreement with Russia on Russia's terms? Russia's word isn't worth shit, they break every promise they make when it suits them. They don't give a fuck about words on paper, all they care about is strength, and Hasan is well aware that if Ukraine agrees to a cease fire or cedes territory to end the conflict Russia will just build up their strength and come back for more. Russia will NEVER accept an independent Ukraine that leans westward. The world needs to set it's foot down at the borders of Ukraine and show that 17th century imperialism and land-grabs doesn't fly anymore.
I think hasan has horrifically bad faith in a lot of these discussions, listen to him talk about hong kong and yet he knows exactly what is going on there. He's just being disingenuous
I felt really bad for Ethan during this. He was doing his best, but he was getting double teamed by both Hasan and Dan.
Tbh I'm really impressed by how far Ethan has come politically. I like that he seems to genuinely want to improve his understanding of the world, and that's dope. And honestly, not something I would have ever expected him to do; he could have easily gone the rest of his life in blissful ignorance. The people around him aren't always the best sources for that kind of thing, but that's not his fault lol (although Hasan is probably still much more informed than 95% of people in the U.S., so it could be worse I suppose 😂).
It’s cause Dan is a hasanabi head. I think hasan is a cool dude that’s funny but these political takes are so actual ass man. Idek how someone arrives at these things. It’s a shame honestly
It's insane to me that Hasan looks so insane talking to Ethan of all people. I've just seen very few things of him over the years. Last thing was frenemies drama. So it's clear to me Ethan is not a political streamer yet he manages to expose Hasan by asking basic ass questions.
Props to Ethan.
ethan has had pretty decent politics for a few years now tbh
Listening to Hassan’s takes on foreign affairs I’d do frustrating. I have a friend who agrees with Hassan on this issue, and every time, I would shoot down his talking points with the facts, and everytime he changed the goal post and inevitably pulled the “let’s agree to disagree.” I’m still friends with him, but I don’t think it’s worthwhile to engage with people who refuse to accept the facts.
I think it is worthwhile, but you have to take a different tack. Less oppositional and more exploratory, but also less definitive (in short, sort of playing the "im just asking questions bro" socratic card)
I would dump him as a friend now. He will only get worse over time. The "let's agree to disagree" is an expression that he has no principles of his own and will believe anything he's told if his bias likes it.
While you right now will think that what I say is ludicrous over time I'll eventually be correct. The only exception is that if he gets influenced by logic, as the "let's agree to disagree" is extremely emotional and emotional traits will only reinforce themselves over time if enabled.
@@nielsjensen4185 I think that has unintended consequences and is potentially one of the reasons we're seeing increased polarisation as people are gradually removing people from their lives and surrounding themselves only with people who they agree with. This means that people like this friend get gradually more radicalised as they lose contact with people from outside a bubble.
I think if we want to reduce polarisation in society (and I admit this is an "if") cutting ties with people we disagree with is the wrong way to go about that
@@jascu4251 It's impossible to argue with anyone who is running on emotion only, they're too deep in sunk cost to ever listen.
You have two options
1: Phrase what you tell them as questions so they convince themselves when they have to answer or are unable to provide answers. This is an advanced technique and I hold it in no way to people if they're hesitant in using it.
2: For their own mental health they need to cut ties with them.
Having an argument requires that you both share the same basic reality and disagree on a few points else you're just having a shouting match and if one side is "Russia is the clear aggressor" and the other is "The USA keeps the conflict going" then you no longer share a reality.
@@nielsjensen4185 I think option 1 is really good, and is something I aim for, but I do agree its not for everyone, and requires a level of measuredness and calm that many don't have, especially when it comes to contentious topics
I understand option 2, just bailing altogether, but I think we're too quick to move to it. I think with people that are 100% too far gone, I understand it - but at the same time, I think we're too quick to do it to people that are 80% of the way there, 60%, 30% even 15%. We're too quick to write people off when there are still grounds for optimism. I think this is partially because we set the bar too high for results, which can unconsciously lead to a type of purity testing, instead of taking the wins of mitigating the worst elements
it pisses me off hasan is so popular when he says all this shit. he's not malicious imo but he is totally ignorant & it's his literal job to not be ignorant. just being a hot, funny, leftie man gets you the ability to have political influence, even when you know nothing abt what you're talking about.
love this arc for ethan and the 'drunken genius' thing
I think he is acting in bad faith on these issues and it’s kinda disgusting. Hasan knows a huge chunk of his audience are 16 year old terminally online American Diabolists whose actual understanding of world affairs doesn’t extend past “America bad” to rebel against their republican stepdad. He’s courting these people and trying to walk a tightrope between being mainstream and marketable and tacitly endorsing a genocidal invasion that a lot of his teenage psychopath followers rabidly endorse. It’s a very serious issue with people being killed in huge numbers and he prances around taking a hard stance and acts like it’s no big deal. It’s sickening to watch.
I wonder how he can NOT be a little malicious when he has to actively just ignore stuff like the Bucha massacre in order to say what he says with a clear conscience
He's just well connected. His family is what got him to where he is. Everything else is just a benefit on the side.
"There are very fine people on both sides" Hasan
"The interim autonomous government of Alabama"
The special military operation to protect the Alabama People's Republic
I don't understand what Hasan's basic assumption about the conflict is. Does he think that Russia (or rather Putin) originally was some sort of "honest actor" in negotiations with Ukraine in these disputes, aiming for conflict resolution where both sides reached equilibrium and self determination? Because in that case he is somehow deluded about Putin.
1:01:30 was he about to say how depleted uranium would have ecological effects? Because depleted uranium... is DEPLETED. As in, the U-235 (the highly radioactive part, has been removed) Most Depleted uranium rounds are less than 1% U-235, which is actually lesser than the amount of U-235 you'd find in natural ore of the same weight.
Ethan is a lot more informed than I think anyone, in his space or this one expected. It seems like he's got a brain for recalling related and tangentially related facts in-the-moment which is definitely a rare talent
3:51 “there’s no one on the other side saying we should absolutely support the Houthi rebels” watching this video on January 29, 2024 is really funny just for this statement. How could anyone possibly support the Houthis lol?!? 😂
I find it great how much of a tankie radar ukraine is. Before they used to try and obfuscate their views and now all you need to do is say Slava Ukraini and they seathe
its mindboggling to me, that every time this dude opens his mouth on anything substantial, theres hundred fold of content out there just debunking and dunking on him, and somehow he has not lost any credibility he ever had with his follower base. just shows how seperated life in the internet has become
why do i have to see his baseless drivel, but the opposite does not go for his entourage
It's simple: he just gets up to go eat chicken whenever criticism comes his way /j
I legitimately can’t watch most videos with Hasan. He’s just too gross to stand
I like to think I don’t let bullshit like this get to me but I actually yelled at my phone when Hasan defended China violating Taiwanese airspace by saying “Taiwan is 1 mile off the coast of China”
Yeah its crazy how much it sets me off aswell :D
Hasan goes full ACAB when it comes to American cops but when it's Chinese cops oppressing and raping HK protestors, he's all Back The Thin Blue Line..
14:49 - Ukraine was never called "The Ukraine", what people refer to when they say "The Ukraine" is the same thing when russians say in russian ( literal translation) "On Ukraine" instead of "In Ukraine", thus implying that Ukraine is a territory and not a country. The thing with "The Ukraine" is just an English version of that, it has never been the name of the country and the origin of the name "Ukraine" is still disputed, the version of it meaning "the border" is heavily pushed by the russian to minimize and discredit Ukraine's claim for statehood. 14:55- Yes, there were a lot of ethnic russians and russian sympathetic people in the east .... because a lot of the population was starved to death, deported, sent off to the gulags and replaced by ethnic russians, on top of that policies of "russification" and general russian chauvinism in russian empire and soviet union contributed to Ukrainians basically becoming 2nd class citizens in their own country. Before 2014 it wouldn't unusual if someone mocked you for speaking Ukrainian and called you a slur. Yes, in Ukraine.
Are you on a competition to spread as many lies as possible? The Donbas already had plenty of Russians before the Soviet Union and no deportations ever targeted the Ukrainians. Russians moved there because of the industries, not because of the gulag or whatever bullshit you're telling yourself. That's without mentioning assimilation at a time when Ukrainian and Russian identities were not as clearly divided as they are today.
Hasans ignorance on Ukraine and outright lies about China/Taiwan are disgusting.
hassan knows nothing about ukrainne hystory
He reveals himself as a pro-ruzzian by parroting a totally ruzzian narrative of Ukraine meaning 'the border', without knowing Ukrainian / ruzzian language or at least trying to analyze if this naming is even possible, because in ruzzian language "Край" may mean two things: "a country / state" and "the border / edge". You can see what meaning is conveyed by asking a 'where?' question and the word will slightly change, depending on what it means; also a specific proverb will be used next to it. As an example we will use the name of a ruzzian's own in-federation state which does not mean the border: Краснодарский Край. Question: where? Answer: В (!) Краснодарском КраЕ.
And "on the border / on the edge" will be: НА краЮ.
Thus, this typical propaganda does not even work within the ruzzian language itself if you just try to analyze it a little bit.
I hate those vague weasely "just make a peace deal bro" arguments so much, it's such a cowardly virtue signaling move. At least Ethan managed to get "no land concession" out of him, though given that Hasan sees Crimea as fully Russian territory, even that is him being weasely.
The title sums up the debate pretty well
Ukraine ( and Belarus ) have more than enough experience treating toxic soil.... for reasons.
I think the 'they have a biolab' talking point was the left-wing version of 'Saddam has WMDs'.
I like Hasan's takes on some domestic issues, criticisms of far-right figures, etc., but when it comes to foreign issues, he should STFU.
Exactly the same issue with *"Democracy Now"*
the leftist curse
He was shit on the domestic issues when talking with ethan. Completely incoherent.
@@TurtleChad1is it your mission to make the most braindead comments possible on the videos of every single leftist content creator
His views on domestic issues are dogshit too. He uses the same logic as in foreign issues to come to conclusions. Just because he occationally stumbles upon the right answer because they are the prevalent left-leaning talking points does not mean his takes are good at all.
"There is no version of Ukrainian victory that involves invading russia"
Aged like milk
"So yeah I support Ukrainian people, Zelenski is completely self-interested and BAD America is doing everything wrong muh militaryindustrialcomplex also Boris Johnson and we should push for another round of "peace talks" this time for real, but I support Ukrainian people, except when they shell Donbas, muh both sides."
Hassan will bend over backwards to keep tankies in his audience because doing anything else would compromise the brand he's built. He has a surface level understanding of leftism with very little room for nuance. The childish simplicity of his takes brings a lot of people over, but he refuses to grow beyond it because it would mean both compromising his ego and turning people off who only like the aesthetics lf leftism.
Hasan goes full ACAB when it comes to American cops but when it's Chinese cops oppressing and raping HK protestors, he's all Back The Thin Blue Line.
Hasan will totally rep the logic behind the Iraq War, Vietnam War, and Nazi invading the Sudentland, as long as it's a red fascist state capitalist totalitarian dictatorship country that's anti-USA that's doing it. The pathetic defenses of the Uyghur concentration camps would apply to Guantamano Bay.
Hasan is a weaselly lying spineless tankie.
Hasan on Ukraine? Not today satan.
He never answered what the Minsk Accords were.
ah yes hasan, the noted tankie, who holds very empathetic views to tankies, yes
Hasan is totally not dog-whistling when he supported re-education. Not at all.
31:37 They didn't break it. They closed it. Russia broke it first day of the war, allowing the water to flood back in.
God I hope the zeitgeist moves past Hasan and realizes how disengenious he is. It will happen one day but I just dont want the guy to have reaped the social credit and already made it big before hes held to task for the blatant lies that come out his mouth.
1:00:46 He talks like stopping this war will stop Russia from starting a new one.
Don't ask a woman about her age.... don't ask a man about his salary.... don't ask hasan about his opinion on ukraine
lol lonerbox 4 months ago thinking no one will side with the houthis. in a video with Hasan
Hasans Ukraine take just surrender bro, you can totally trust Russia not to violate the Budapest Agreement the Minsk 1 and 2 accords after then violated all 3
the faith that these people have in the Russian government as well as groups like the Houthis and Hezbollah is insane while offering zero faith or charitability with literally any Western power.
Thank. You.
"Give Alaska because we got nukes."
Always stuck out to me how weird Hasan is, interpersonally. He´s actually a rather callous person, cares mostly about himself and does not show that he regards other people as important.
"The reason we don't hear that much about Yemen is because there's nobody on the other side saying we should absolutely support the Houthi rebels, you're not going to get that either because they're not too good themselves." Oh boy, that sure aged well.
A few minor facts that overlooked
Russia has been using dup rounds since the start of the war
The lpr and dpr both have ceo tagged Russian soldiers that are link 100% to Russia that took over the areas. The “green men” were Russian soldier they were dumb enough to post on telegram and vk in the Donbas wars
The Minsk agreement main goal was limiting the heavy artillery use in the area meanwhile grads and msta based in Russia would cont to shell area and then retreat
Putin and Russian Dod are responsible for the shooting down of two civilian airlines one in Ukraine and another in Iran
After 58 months being subscribed he banned me today after I owned him so hard on USSR, NATO and things like that. MF thinks USSR was socialist... Imagine, biggest politics streamer on Twitch?
Dude speaks about how Western capitalists stomp on trade unions... BITCH THEY WERE BANNED IN USSR!!! But no, "they had something better, you should learn more about it" dude, they had worse system, the state as the capitalist dictated everything! Imagine, biggest politics streamer on Twitch!
I wonder why people dispise him?
Yeah, Ethan has been totally based as of late. And Hasan has been totally horrible as always.
i did not expect him to hold his terrible ukraine takes for over a year
Out of curiosity, why not? He doesn’t seem to often reflect on his positions once he is successfully challenged on them. Was he more self aware in the past? I’ve only become aware of Hasan in the last few years.
Incredibly disingenuous to pretend like war hawks in the US dont want to use this as a way to weaken putin. Lmao
if he didn't want to be weakened byt he war he could just end it?
Ethan is aware it's a next level troll . that's actually why I like Ethan, I think his heart in the right place. I think Hasan heart is too but he's too controlled by his ego to admit when he has a bad take.
Pretty sure pocketing millions of dollars simply for having opinions and sharing them with teens will bend a mind into something ugly eventually. Perhaps this isn't fair or relevant though. Idk
Hasan goes full ACAB when it comes to American cops but when it's Chinese cops oppressing and raping HK protestors, he's all Back The Thin Blue Line.
Yankee Boots are on the ground tho
People are not crying he is a pro-ruzzian for no reason, but because for example he is parroting a totally ruzzian narrative of Ukraine meaning 'the border', without knowing Ukrainian / ruzzian language or at least trying to analyze if this naming is even possible, because in ruzzian language "Край" may mean two things: "a country / state" and "the border / edge". You can see what meaning is conveyed by asking a 'where?' question and the word will slightly change, depending on what it means; also a specific proverb will be used next to it. As an example we will use the name of a ruzzian's own in-federation state which does not mean "the border": Краснодарский Край. Question: where? Answer: В (!) Краснодарском КраЕ.
And "on the border / on the edge" will be: НА краЮ.
Thus, this typical propaganda does not even work within the ruzzian language itself if you just try to analyze it a little bit. In Ukrainian it will be "на краю" / "у краї" (which oddly sounds just like Україна = Ukraine)
And he uses a lot of other ruzzian narratives.
He went on for so long about how you can’t just invade and claim territory because of nukes. Like, so long. But all they actually said is that things are different than during WW2 because of nukes. He’s arguing with someone else and calling them dumb over it.
the comment about no one supporting the Houthi rebels at the start aged well haha
I think one of the $uicide boys might have "I cannot be negotiated with" tattooed on their forehead
LOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR BOX
1:32:54 - Yes putin denied russia's involvement in Donbass but took full credit for Crimea annexation...
They broke the fucking Minsk accords twice, why does Hassan think Russia wouldn't break it again?
1:18:55 we actually have those memes
It's called "Crusified russian boy in underpants"
I love when Hasan is asked about the Minsk Peace Accords he starts doing the Putin thing and talking about ancient history instead of just explaining what the Minsk Peace Accords are.
43:33 Meanwhile its been like a week since Ukraine invasion of Kursk region xdd but i get the point
Watching this after the Hamas attack only makes him look even worse.
If you don’t consider Vietnam a proxy war then Ukraine isn’t
What fucking civil war of the donbas???
Nuclear weapon, habibi😍
loool at 43:00 in hindsight
AZAN?
Kinda want ate your words on no one ever supporting the Houthi’s rebels lmao
14:37 Rus empire, not Russian. He doesn't even get the ethnicity argument right.
Hasan thinks the president was too much of a sissy to send in Agent Decker to kick ass mano y mano.
I just figured he says what ever he can to get the engagement he wants with the audience he has.
14:02 I feel a tangent here. Does he not know? Let's see how it goes.
Hola
I like Hasan overall but ya. I cringe when he tries to talk foreign policy
You like someone who wish the murder of people and who says 9/11 was deserved?
It absolutely is a proxy war... I don't think that that diminishes Ukraine's efforts just like the efforts of the Americans who fought in the Revolutionary War which was a proxy war France was having with England... France sent their best military minds, equipment, and ships to North America to screw over the British and help a colony rebel against its monarch (even though France was a monarchy) just because of spite for the British particularly because the British defeated them in a recent war (The 'French and Indian War')... This was key to the US winning it's independence and they probably couldn't have done it without the French aid especially the ships (since you can't rlly stop the British from fleeing on their ships out to sea any time they're worried if you don't have your own ships to block them with... Makes any decisive victories rather difficult back then...) Doesn't mean the Americans didn't fight hard or that the war wasn't very much about them or that they were basically puppets of France... It's literally the same with Ukraine... Many proxy wars are basically just like this one... And that's not a bad thing, Ukraine should be happy and so should the West because we can really screw over Russia for their transgressions... Without the Wests' aid, Ukraine would absolutely fall... You might not like it, but it's true... They just wouldn't have the ammo and they'd lose without being able to shoot any more... By the same token, without the Ukrainians doing the fighting obviously Ukraine would just fall and the West wouldn't have the opportunity it does to teach Russia a lesson... Both need each other in this arrangement and it works out for both of them very well... I don't see the problem...
When you were in school you probably learned about the Cold War and all the proxy wars (taught as being 'proxy wars') that happened during that time... But now that it's happening in the present people seem hesitant to call it the same term we'd use for all similar instances in history... And I feel like I can't find reason to it beyond just people having a 'gut feeling' about how they feel with applying the term 'proxy war' to this case that is ongoing... But any time they try to explain it their explanations seem incompatible with other historical instances that we have known to be proxy wars for quite some time before this war...
Could also depend on the definition you use if you want to be semantic with it, but honestly, the definitions available for it from what I've seen seem to vary drastically in terms of what kinds of wars they'd include/exclude if you stuck closely to those definitions... So I don't think sticking to any one particular definition is very helpful...
@@user-dg7cn5ex9j Even if you don't want to call the conflict as a whole a proxy war given Russia's direct involvement makes it not a war where both sides are using proxies (kinda as it would be if it were Russian-backed Belarus fighting US-backed Ukraine, which we would then probably accept as a war of proxies and as a proxy war), in the current situation Ukraine would still be a proxy for the US in this case as it fights back Russia... And I don't really see an issue acknowledging that...
59:00 IF RUSSIA IS SO WEAK WHY DONT THEY STOP INVADING LMAO
Got to love the western perspective on that ole Russian and Ukrainian war thing, well we tried...... but yeah our based on fiction opinions expressed here are garbled when that white picket fence indoctrination hirts so bad this is making me feel nauseous on the amount of facts misrepresented first by Hassan who tried and then this guy lol
please enlighten us
You are wrong on so many of the details that you’ve narrated an entire story. Really disappointing.
it's funny how little info you actually get watching hasan. he literally never outright states his position. he only says what he doesn't agree with.
I wish Ethan did make Hasan answer for more. For example Hasan says that Ukraine should make concessions but refuses to elaborate what.
He claims that Ukraine shouldn't give up land but also supports the Crimea annexation.
He claims that America should give it security guarantees. But also is against Nato membership. There aren't a lot of security guarantees that America could give that wouldn't act like a nato membership.
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