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    0:00 - OG Tic Tac Toe
    0:54 - Variations
    1:26 - FLAWED
    1:38 - Game Priorities
    2:16 - TIES
    2:51 - Past Wins
    3:23 - X&O ➡️ ?
    3:48 - The Base Game
    4:31 - Double Checks
    5:07 - NAMING THE GAME
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  • @OatsJenkins
    @OatsJenkins  Рік тому +701

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  • @sirjimmm
    @sirjimmm Рік тому +10503

    This was a missed Tic-Tac-Two opportunity

  • @MarioFRC32
    @MarioFRC32 Рік тому +3046

    It even has a great name in Spanish too.
    The original is "Tres en raya" (Three in a line), so we can call this one "Tes en raya" (Ts in a line). It's perfect

    • @M_1024
      @M_1024 Рік тому +79

      In Polish its "circle and cross"

    • @IBJ_yt
      @IBJ_yt Рік тому +77

      @@M_1024 that’s just x and o, in dutch it’s “butter cheese and eggs”

    • @matiasgarciacasas558
      @matiasgarciacasas558 Рік тому +54

      En argentina, al menos yo siempre le dije ta te ti. Podria llamarse te te te.

    • @MarioFRC32
      @MarioFRC32 Рік тому +22

      @@matiasgarciacasas558 Bueno, pues por lo menos en España si se llama asi. Cada lugar tendra su propio nombre supongo

    • @eloidutruy9119
      @eloidutruy9119 Рік тому +6

      Morpion in French

  • @-qwer-8507
    @-qwer-8507 Рік тому +63

    I solved Tick-Oat-Two (it only took me 10 mins, so its not "balanced"). Second player still always wins. Whenever first player places his mark, check if you can win in 1 turn, and if not place yours mirror. If he makes a T, make a mirror T. If he goes center, go center next turn. The hardest part is to figure out where to place your mark the turn he went center. But you should keep everything mirror. Thats the golden rule of this game

    • @randomjunkohyeah1
      @randomjunkohyeah1 2 місяці тому +2

      I know I’m late to this, but what did you mean by “mirror”?

    • @-qwer-8507
      @-qwer-8507 2 місяці тому +5

      @@randomjunkohyeah1 yeah, its been more than a year :/ I dont really remember, but i guess in this context it means that if first player goes left down tile, then you go left up tile, if he goes middle up tile, you go middle down tile. And obviously because the board is symmetrical, you can mirror him not horizontally but vertically as well (left up tile - right up tile). So another words, to win, second player needs to keep symmetry

  • @Blessy.EXEreal
    @Blessy.EXEreal 11 місяців тому +47

    This is actually an AMAZING remake!
    There’s one thing wrong with it, the balance still isn’t all too fair; but I’d make it so that you could occupy the other player’s ticks no more than 3 times a game, and when you use up one of those times, you can’t do it for your next turn, and you can never occupy the most recently occupied tick/space. That makes it fair for all, and makes it even fairer!

    • @niamhking1385
      @niamhking1385 Місяць тому

      Yeah, while it makes it less simple, that's a small sacrifice in order for it to be more fair.

  • @sciencemama6801
    @sciencemama6801 Рік тому +874

    This is your first "2" video where instead of laughing hysterically at how ridiculous it is, I'm sitting here thinking, "huh! That totally works and is objectively better and I want to play it now!" Good job, you've revolutionized something FR.

  • @nicehandsomefruit9997
    @nicehandsomefruit9997 Рік тому +794

    I think we can all agree that you are objectively right about everything. Every time someone says "Let's decide this by playing tic-tac-toe" I always say no because the game is super unbalanced. This is massive improvement over the original! If you could have a go at making
    "Hangman 2", that would be epic!

  • @randomperson6994
    @randomperson6994 Рік тому +120

    I learn more from this guy's history overviews of how each thing that he fixes originally started than I do in actual history class

  • @parkerblacklock8272
    @parkerblacklock8272 Рік тому +3

    MFW instead of making a complete mess out of something as per usual, Oats made genuine improvements that were needed

  • @KittyKat-gh4cn
    @KittyKat-gh4cn Рік тому +1088

    This man deadass just made an entire game with rules and moves and all using the most simple game. Honestly impressive.

    • @svipmhoa3338
      @svipmhoa3338 Рік тому +6

      dorock paper scizers

    • @microdavid7098
      @microdavid7098 Рік тому +3

      game design

    • @tpsam
      @tpsam Рік тому +3

      Extremely easy to do if you grew up without internet but with imagination
      Didn't you have games like this that you created as a child?

  • @Its_HOAX
    @Its_HOAX Рік тому +393

    I’m not even gonna lie this new game looks really fun

  • @gustavosouza8983
    @gustavosouza8983 Рік тому +63

    I love how in Brazil we call Tic Tac Toe "the old lady game"

    • @guptansh8067
      @guptansh8067 Рік тому +9

      You can call this new game as "the new baby game"

    • @RafaelMunizYT
      @RafaelMunizYT Рік тому +5

      @@guptansh8067 old lady is a single word in portuguese (english has this thing of turning words into adjective + noun) so it would be just baby game

    • @guptansh8067
      @guptansh8067 Рік тому +2

      @@RafaelMunizYT damn

    • @demetriusmorgenroth2835
      @demetriusmorgenroth2835 11 місяців тому +2

      @@RafaelMunizYT Actually, we could make it "the young guy game" (jogo do jovem).

    • @rhwlol
      @rhwlol 10 місяців тому +1

      what about ''butter, cheese and eggs''

  • @TashviSistla
    @TashviSistla Рік тому

    FINALY!!! This is soooooooo helpful! I will definitely be using this.

  • @sarad2487
    @sarad2487 Рік тому +341

    oat's fixes are actually, without a joke, getting more and more practical! like wow, he actually listed the priorities!

    • @solsystem1342
      @solsystem1342 Рік тому +15

      Slight problem, the game is going to devolve into very predictable play. Your goal (essentially) it to just play for as long as possible without forming 3 in a row (because that would allow your opponent to win). So every game will have a setup phase of like four turns of people placing these:
      |+|
      +| |+
      |+|
      Then you'd want to individually make something like
      |+|+
      +| |+
      +|+|
      Then the game ends pretty much immediately if someone deviates from this strategy. Or, is forced to place another line.
      Also, this placement guarantees a win for player 2 after 8 turns unless there's some way to prevent player 2 from playing this strategy (like playing in the places that player needs to go next turn).

    • @holesmak
      @holesmak Рік тому +5

      @@solsystem1342 just tested it myself a bit and while I found other stable play combinations the player 2 pretty much always wins

    • @np8139
      @np8139 Рік тому +2

      @@holesmak I tested it too. It's still more fun than regular Tic Tac Toe, but I had the same results as you. It seems if both players play optimally, Player 2 will always win.

    • @svetlananikolaeva8039
      @svetlananikolaeva8039 Рік тому

      *oats's

    • @colgatelampinen2501
      @colgatelampinen2501 Рік тому

      @@solsystem1342 There is no such play, 1st player is forced to take at least one of those 6 six in first two moves since middle one is only square that does not contribute to such strategy and they can't go to same place on their 2nd move as player 2 went on their first move. This leaves square that player 1 can't protect as they already went there.

  • @PtylerBeats
    @PtylerBeats Рік тому +615

    This is an actual improvement. I’m legit going to teach this to my friends and family because it’s so much more superior to the boring game where somehow the cat always wins

    • @hiplsnols4394
      @hiplsnols4394 Рік тому +9

      i thought i was the only one to call a tie a catsgame

    • @globalincident694
      @globalincident694 Рік тому +22

      I played it and I feel like the second player always wins?

    • @robinlindgren6429
      @robinlindgren6429 Рік тому +29

      @@globalincident694 yup. I haven't exhausted every possible gamestate yet but so far in my analysis second player always wins with proper play

    • @blakebatpony
      @blakebatpony Рік тому +14

      yup, second player still has a garanteed win if they wait a turn and then start placing their lines on player 1 lines from a turn ago, player 1 never has more than 2 valid lines in the game and cant win

    • @Gapzyn
      @Gapzyn Рік тому +3

      Bro its a big disadvantage for the one starting

  • @HayzeBlayze
    @HayzeBlayze Рік тому +1

    This is the first time Oats fixes something and it actually was good! Great job

  • @ethanimated1553
    @ethanimated1553 Рік тому +8

    0:02. B A H

  • @rcd20yearsago48
    @rcd20yearsago48 Рік тому +1165

    I like how he took more time to redesign tic-tac-toe than the United States of America

    • @fancydoge5611
      @fancydoge5611 Рік тому +42

      the TickoaTTwo IS redesigning America its just that revolutionary

    • @fsexplorer9727
      @fsexplorer9727 Рік тому +11

      glad to see he is following the highest priority.

    • @rcd20yearsago48
      @rcd20yearsago48 Рік тому +12

      @@fancydoge5611 truly one of the most important political changes, and an objectively right one too, my apologies

    • @datalich
      @datalich Рік тому +2

      Are you saying you want him to create USA2, aka the United States of Oats?

    • @Playingwithproxies
      @Playingwithproxies Рік тому

      @@datalich I’m pretty sure he means American didn’t work this hard on the rules of tic-tac-toe when it came to this country

  • @kaylarae8003
    @kaylarae8003 Рік тому +175

    Played a few games with my son and we pretty much concluded that if you and your opponent both understand the game, whoever goes first loses. Lol
    That said it's a really cool twist. Definitely makes you think a little harder. Both players are trying not to get 3 of their own lines in a row, pretty much.

    • @darkkirbygod
      @darkkirbygod Рік тому +7

      Oh i see i just found it out too. If player 2 follows player 1 they mostly win

    • @MCJini
      @MCJini Рік тому +17

      @@darkkirbygod not mostly....they are the only one who can win...player 1 cant make a T

    • @darkkirbygod
      @darkkirbygod Рік тому +11

      @@MCJini yeah i see it thats the problem in a game ehich has no luck factor that one player can draw or win everytime with the perfect strategy

    • @shayboual1892
      @shayboual1892 Рік тому

      Really? I don't think so, play with me? Bottom left

    • @decafcoffee0935
      @decafcoffee0935 Рік тому +1

      I guess a fix would be to disallow a player from placing their line on a square on which a line has just been placed.

  • @user-es1hy8rq2s
    @user-es1hy8rq2s 8 місяців тому

    This is so awesome!! I love this so much better!! Thank you!!❤❤❤

    • @user-es1hy8rq2s
      @user-es1hy8rq2s 8 місяців тому

      I was always stumped with the title like why was it called Tic Tac Toe?? I love the title even better now!!

  • @Number.1Yanfei.Fan123
    @Number.1Yanfei.Fan123 Рік тому +3

    The fact this is scarily a good idea and makes sense

  • @TheWizardMaja-Stina
    @TheWizardMaja-Stina Рік тому +231

    Oh gosh I just had the worst panic attack and thought the rest of this day would be shit. But when Oats posted, it made me smile. Thank you lots Oats ❤

  • @GamerTimeNinja
    @GamerTimeNinja Рік тому +98

    Make the periodic table 2, so I can understand chemistry

    • @engtilde
      @engtilde Рік тому +2

      No

    • @Wolfe16
      @Wolfe16 Рік тому

      YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS I just commented that.

    • @efi3825
      @efi3825 Рік тому +1

      Minutephysics actually made a funny video about that, named "Reimagining the Periodic Table"

    • @engtilde
      @engtilde Рік тому

      @@Wolfe16 no

    • @Wolfe16
      @Wolfe16 Рік тому

      @@engtilde Yes

  • @l1ghtbulb
    @l1ghtbulb Рік тому

    This is actually perfect!

  • @Jake_Redacted
    @Jake_Redacted Рік тому +3

    I'm amazed, this seems honestly extremely fun

  • @Ku9gami
    @Ku9gami Рік тому +268

    Man .. I never thought anyone would remember to change a game like Tic Tac Toe.
    Edit-1: Thanks for 266 likes

    • @kaiisadorable
      @kaiisadorable Рік тому +3

      Whats tic tac toe?

    • @unicat2138
      @unicat2138 Рік тому +4

      YOU DONT KN-*remembers some people don’t know that game*
      If you need to know he says it in the vid

    • @Ku9gami
      @Ku9gami Рік тому +1

      @@kaiisadorable Tic Tac Toe is a game where 2 people play . 1 will put a circle or a cross in each turn . If 1 uses cross then another 1 uses circle . If you get 3 crosses or circles in a straight row then you win .

    • @penginguy2177
      @penginguy2177 Рік тому +2

      @@kaiisadorable it doesn't matter. tickoattwo is better.

    • @waynejohnson1786
      @waynejohnson1786 Рік тому +2

      Have you ever heard of Connect Four?
      It’s the best version of Tic Tac Toe...

  • @amvaporean4522
    @amvaporean4522 Рік тому +39

    Because you are objectively right about everything, I will begin to play this with my family immediately.

  • @randomanticswithbobandcrai584

    This is actually good I might play it. Goodjob keep it up.

  • @omniscientomnipresent5500
    @omniscientomnipresent5500 Рік тому +6

    Coincidentally, I searched online all the variations of the game not long ago! It would be awesome if you somehow made it proper by having a way to play it online against players or something!

  • @Gonksterr
    @Gonksterr Рік тому +19

    I love his creativity and the fact that he puts the sponsor at the end of the video so its not in the middle of the video interrupting the main video

  • @gavinthecrafter
    @gavinthecrafter Рік тому +8

    6:12 I love the use of Photo Dojo music. Best DSiWare game

    • @Creeperfun12
      @Creeperfun12 7 місяців тому

      *Me with a modded 3ds* 👀

  • @bluey-next777
    @bluey-next777 Рік тому +2

    3:56
    *concrete scrapes*
    Oats: I GOT IT!

  • @-lucas-9176
    @-lucas-9176 Рік тому +1

    We need a pro tournament of this NOW

  • @overpowerd5490
    @overpowerd5490 Рік тому +108

    We all know that oats can fix anything, but can he fix gaming?

  • @soniahernandez8902
    @soniahernandez8902 Рік тому +86

    Finally, I get to encounter TicTacToe the new way. Truly better than the original 👍

    • @waynejohnson1786
      @waynejohnson1786 Рік тому

      You probably already have; it’s called Connect Four.

    • @TuTAH_1
      @TuTAH_1 Рік тому

      @@waynejohnson1786 Isn't it have the same problem of nobody winning because it's so easy to spot and interrupt opponent's win?

    • @sem49
      @sem49 Рік тому

      @@TuTAH_1 but with a so much bigger board, theres hardly any ties. its literally 7x6

    • @colgatelampinen2501
      @colgatelampinen2501 Рік тому

      @@TuTAH_1 Player going first wins in connect four

  • @filiphudak9706
    @filiphudak9706 Рік тому

    Perfection as always

  • @mrbeech69
    @mrbeech69 Рік тому

    This is actually perfect

  • @Ode423
    @Ode423 Рік тому +13

    7:42 look at the subtitles👀

  • @BlueB4
    @BlueB4 Рік тому

    This is one of the only videos that Oat Jenkins actually made really good!

  • @niamhking1385
    @niamhking1385 Місяць тому

    I did not think it was possible to improve on such a simple game while still keeping it very simple, but you did a great job.

  • @orance2526
    @orance2526 Рік тому +51

    Honestly I feel like Three Ts Twice is the perfect name for it. It's simple and easy to understand.

  • @NeilShavit
    @NeilShavit Рік тому +23

    2:30 fortunately for me, only 10% of the time end in a tie because as you said, the first player has a huge advantage.

    • @joaopedrocruz6432
      @joaopedrocruz6432 Рік тому +10

      It is always a draw if you play perfectly. There are easy always to memorize the pattern.

  • @BrbExtra
    @BrbExtra Рік тому

    Finally Tic-Tac-Toe update. I've been waiting *centuries.*

  • @AdrianoGames
    @AdrianoGames Рік тому +1

    You should do "Chess *2"* with new pieces, like...
    "Fencer":
    Can walk forward or to the diagonals that are in front of it
    "Musketeer":
    Can shoot once to your front line killing a piece that is closest to your front line

  • @forhadkhan9913
    @forhadkhan9913 Рік тому +33

    you always make my day (when you post) maybe do rock paper scissors next time :)

    • @fraidei2094
      @fraidei2094 Рік тому +1

      Rock paper scissors is already perfect tho, doesn't need fixing.

  • @Henrycraft9
    @Henrycraft9 Рік тому +6

    I love how your ideas are so stupid, but somewhat creative and actually creates the idea of a fun game

  • @mypology911
    @mypology911 Рік тому +1

    There's a advantage for player number two still as whichever player connecting their 3 lines first will most likely win and since player 1 starts first player 2 has a higher winning chance but that only matters for player who actually have strategies and know what they're doing

  • @AnyolinyHerrera
    @AnyolinyHerrera 4 місяці тому

    Thank you because you got a great idea

  • @FlyingShark777
    @FlyingShark777 Рік тому +3

    Please keep making this series, i love it!

  • @phs125
    @phs125 Рік тому +6

    In having my mind blown here.
    I was under the impression that I've never heard of tic-tac-toe until my adult life, and with internet.
    I'm now suddenly remembering all the times I've played SOS in my childhood.
    How did nobody ever tell me about SOS?
    It's like I have repressed all my childhood memories...

  • @pptoni064
    @pptoni064 Рік тому

    This so simple, yet so revolutionary

  • @EpicBoss-
    @EpicBoss- Рік тому +1

    I once had an idea for a new version of tic tac toe: You play it on a rubik's cube . Each move you can either draw your symbol on an empty place, or turn a section 90 degrees. The goal is to get an entire side filled with your symbol

    • @Jamesishappy
      @Jamesishappy Рік тому

      The idea of turning a rubix cube into two player is... scary. but I think the game would last forever unless you couldn't turn it in a way that would move a square your opponent previously moved

  • @QueenMotor9756
    @QueenMotor9756 Рік тому +13

    Going to go play this with my family now. Love your videos, I hope you can make more awesome content! :D

    • @Zachyshows
      @Zachyshows Рік тому

      Established Titles sponsored him

    • @bruh8828
      @bruh8828 Рік тому +1

      *second

    • @engtilde
      @engtilde Рік тому +1

      @@bruh8828 third*

    • @QueenMotor9756
      @QueenMotor9756 Рік тому +1

      @@Zachyshows Oh right, I forgot lol. Thanks for the correction :)

  • @InvincibleSucks
    @InvincibleSucks Рік тому +12

    Video Idea: I made better Rock- Paper- Scissors

  • @sophiatrocentraisin
    @sophiatrocentraisin Рік тому +1

    I'll keep playing ultimate tic-tac-toe (basically a tic-tac-toe of tic-tac-toes, which is way needs way more strategy, but has the downside of being longer), but I'll try this version some day (and try to solve it, because it looks very solvable)

  • @sweatlord69_
    @sweatlord69_ Рік тому

    I’ve been waiting for so long for an update to tic tac toe

  • @viciadanazuera2543
    @viciadanazuera2543 Рік тому +10

    Funny he commented about the tic-tac-toe name, because in Brasil we call it "Jogo da Velha" which could be translated as "old women's game" lmao

  • @Idk_what_to_put_here_101
    @Idk_what_to_put_here_101 Рік тому +61

    I know this series is a joke but that is actually smart 😂

  • @meganbartley4724
    @meganbartley4724 11 місяців тому

    Yes I will use this amazing idea tick oat two

  • @quickballplays1867
    @quickballplays1867 Рік тому +1

    You evidently should be the ruler of the universe as you make the best decisions

  • @DrOctavius194
    @DrOctavius194 Рік тому +8

    I played this after watching it, and it was fun, it worked really well, and made me think harder than I would during a match of tic tac toe

  • @SoVidushi
    @SoVidushi Рік тому

    I love this so much!

  • @flargeth
    @flargeth Рік тому +1

    This is actually cool

  • @ParkerIGuess
    @ParkerIGuess Рік тому +9

    3:27 it should’ve been Bird from Egypt

  • @Duckylivesmatter
    @Duckylivesmatter Рік тому +8

    You know its gonna be a good day when oats posts.

  • @epic4710
    @epic4710 Рік тому

    i like these vids man 𓅱

  • @D.A.T.J.
    @D.A.T.J. Рік тому +3

    Okay, I’m definitely playing this one, this seems really fun. Way to go, man

  • @thefusion1080
    @thefusion1080 Рік тому +3

    cannot believe i wasn't already subscribed to this objectively correct about everything guy's channel, been watching since chess 2.

  • @Player-df7ny
    @Player-df7ny 9 місяців тому

    i solved tic tac toe at school, by myself, and it's a draw with best play no matter where you start, and you can use some tricks to take advantage of opponents that don't know the game, and now ill study this other one

  • @stuffyqueen14
    @stuffyqueen14 5 місяців тому

    This looks really fun!!! Definitely going to play that with my friends!

  • @Fudgecrumb
    @Fudgecrumb Рік тому +4

    I tried it not expecting much, but this is an triple-A title! Amazing graphics, amazing gameplay, and great level environments! Not many game devs can say that they’ve made a game that fits all three of those.

  • @GreenDragon8996
    @GreenDragon8996 Рік тому +11

    1:25 English please

  • @WhoooooNerd
    @WhoooooNerd Рік тому

    Tic tac toe, Tic tac tie am I right 🤣 Got me rolling on the floor

  • @thesmashinggamer2.037
    @thesmashinggamer2.037 11 місяців тому

    he makes this stuff way better

  • @RedKingMTX
    @RedKingMTX Рік тому +4

    This is actually a pretty fun and well thought out iteration

  • @Heavy_Lvy
    @Heavy_Lvy Рік тому +12

    I luv how ur objectively right about everything, it make life so ez. All we need is ur opinion
    Not only that ur jokes r always so hilarious

  • @davidhilgenberg9286
    @davidhilgenberg9286 Рік тому +1

    oats: "I don't want to name it after me because I'm not a fan of that."
    Oats Later: "Let's call it Tick Oat Two!"

  • @harchanddhillon6391
    @harchanddhillon6391 Рік тому

    Bro thank u so much for making this Playlist this is the only thing that keeps me from not crying in the night my parents went to India and are coming back to Canada in February after my bday we moved to Canada in July my parents went back in September to get stuff done and just so u know I am only ten. Thank u so much I love u ❤ ❤ 💙 💜 💖 💗

  • @buzzsaw3158
    @buzzsaw3158 Рік тому +5

    This is now a game i will play forever

  • @phase0400
    @phase0400 Рік тому +8

    Honestly, this is actually a really good remake. The design change wasn't really necessary but the functionality was spot on.

  • @sethsue9764
    @sethsue9764 Рік тому

    This man is so underrated

  • @Prof_Vegas
    @Prof_Vegas Рік тому

    This person is the greatest game designer I had ever seen
    Not that I saw another one, but still.

  • @funiblox
    @funiblox Рік тому +5

    For the current tic tac toe, during my childhood I looked into it and found that if a player goes first, he must win unless the other player puts a cross in the centre. It really helped/ruined the game😂

    • @NicD
      @NicD Рік тому +1

      Actually you can trap the second player that way. Place your X in a corner, they'll take the center, then place an X in the opposite corner and hope they misplay.

  • @Birboi_is_cool
    @Birboi_is_cool Рік тому +33

    The game you made is actually amazing and competitive.

  • @ironpin7949
    @ironpin7949 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for video

  • @ingmargund4661
    @ingmargund4661 11 місяців тому +1

    Hi oats, I want you to know that you have been a huge inspiration to me and I want to thank you for doing what you do. I actually used this video as inspiration for a project I did for English, we’re I made better English, English 2. I would be happy to share this project with you, if you’d be interested. Thank you again for your video’s they always entertain me so much!

  • @kriaplayz5603
    @kriaplayz5603 Рік тому +6

    0:33 this is an actual game,there is a another version of this which the board is larger and the are 9 pieces,

  • @aleksander7371
    @aleksander7371 Рік тому +6

    2:10 in perfect play Tic Tac Toe is always a draw

  • @ultrio325
    @ultrio325 Рік тому

    This is revolutionary

  • @Skyler923
    @Skyler923 11 місяців тому

    I actually showed my friend this and we played the game. WAY BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL TICTACTOE. Great work Oats!

  • @danielgeyfman5900
    @danielgeyfman5900 Рік тому +4

    Using minimax w/ alpha beta pruning, after about 30-45 seconds of search time(c++ runtime pog) it appears that second player always wins, but the game is definitely complicated enough that there's a decent amount of chance for either side for the casual player.
    I'll optimize it more later, but what I really need that would help a lot is some way of "evaluating" the position without calculating who actually wins, like how in chess a crude evaluation would be just who has more material.

    • @cortiasthef537
      @cortiasthef537 Рік тому

      A win requires that your opponent makes a 3-in-a-row, then you make the same 3-in-a-row. The winning move must be you playing on top of your opponent's line. If you make a 3-in-a-row of your own lines, then your opponent can win by playing the same 3-in-a-row and you have no way to block them other than winning first.
      Conversely, If you avoid making a 3-in-a-row of your own lines, then your opponent can't win. You can delay for up to 6 moves this way with a pattern like this:
      XX_
      X_X
      _XX
      Here's a winning strategy for player 2:
      Start by playing the four sides. By your next move, player 1 will have made 5 moves.
      If they have no corners by move 5, they have a plus-shape in the middle. If you can, play in the middle and win. If the middle was the their last move, play in a corner. There are no 3-in-a-rows of your own lines so player 1 can't win. Then you can now play in the middle and win.
      If they have corners by move 5, pick one. Play the opposite of that corner, then play the original corner. You now have the maximally delaying pattern from above, and at least one of your corners is a complete t. Player 1 will have made 7 moves by now, so there are only 2 squares they haven't played and they must have completed a 3-in-a-row somewhere.
      If there are empty squares left by move 7, play on one of the empty squares. Then player 1 can't win because they can't complete the t you just played, and your other lines don't contain any 3-in-a-rows. Then complete player 1's 3-in-a-row and win.
      If there are no empty squares by move 7, player 1 has the whole diagonal, one of your corners, and 3 more squares. No matter where those last 3 are, there will be two different 3-in-a-rows that you can complete. Only one of them can be blocked by being player 1's last move, so play the other one and win.

    • @Cloiss_
      @Cloiss_ Рік тому

      yeah it's probably somewhere in between OG tic tac toe and connect 4 in terms of how likely a casual player is to be able to play a perfectly optimal game

    • @brynnyoder5433
      @brynnyoder5433 Рік тому

      Put simply, just play exactly where your opponent plays every move and second player always wins because they are the only one completing the +.

  • @meowingapple
    @meowingapple Рік тому +35

    This unironically makes sense. I might actually use this for once

  • @ashleygard203
    @ashleygard203 Рік тому

    This man is a genius

  • @lukasrainbow8275
    @lukasrainbow8275 Рік тому

    I again really love this change. Make this man a president

  • @Pyrodiac
    @Pyrodiac Рік тому +8

    Can't wait for this to go on the OJ website.

  • @mintmango0
    @mintmango0 Рік тому +7

    Ya know, it’s not the worst sequel I’ve seen, pretty good 😊👍

  • @maciekch.1754
    @maciekch.1754 Рік тому

    Every other "making ____ 2" or "making better ______" video I've watched has just been purely ridicilous and funny, but this is actually a really fun and interesting concept.

  • @MrKingToilet
    @MrKingToilet 2 місяці тому +1

    Dang... I remember when you had less then 1,000 subscribers now you almost have 300K!

  • @sarcasm-aplenty
    @sarcasm-aplenty Рік тому +4

    I think tick-tact-two would be a cooler name. The tact for "tactics or tactical". Also I think the players should be allowed to extend the board in any direction by one square/section once per game. They can't win with it right away due to needing two marks to get it so it could be used a distraction tactic. Like "look where I'm going to go" and you just don't go there.

  • @jadenruanes1858
    @jadenruanes1858 Рік тому +4

    2:38 I laughed a chock full