Apple River stabbing trial: Defense's closing argument [FULL]
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- Nicolae Miu's attorney Corey Chirafisi gives the defense's closing argument in the Apple River stabbing trial.
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Regardless of the verdict, can we all come together and agree that Madison and Jawahn are a couple of nasty, bullying instigators without whom none of this would have happened?
They kept on lying. Crazy how the mom lied with her. You can’t get rid of that photo of the supposed bruised eye especially if it’s been sent through text. One of the phone would’ve had it. And bruises aren’t not noticeable after being hit then randomly show the next day. It’d be red at the very least which all the officers and medical personnel said there wasn’t any signs of injury on her.
Yep. Totally agree.
Agreed. People gotta learn that actions and words have consequences. I hope they incur some jail time for making this situation worse , far more than anything Nic did.
Madison ran over in response to kids yelling for help. You shouldn’t speculate.
They are bullies, and then were in complete shock of what happened and ran away leaving hurt people behind, like literal coward bullies.
Madison and Jawahn should be charged with inciting a mob.
Exactly. Bigmouth camera man started and instigated the whole thing.
THAT'S what I said early on. Ty💅
My verdict too.
@@karyne826 AT LEAST MANSLAUGHTER
A G R E E
And abuse of an elderly person
When we were 16, 17, 18, we would NEVER treat some 50 yr old like that. We weren't angels, but you didnt treat older people like that. Ever. If ANYTHING we would have asked if he needed help looking.
True we respected anyone older
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As a girl in her 20's i never thought about it like that but its so true! i guess since its such common sense to me my friends and i would also help and try to find the phone
fr, fr
shidd we did
Those teens should Be arrested for assault.
Yes.
...or maybe even felony murder
And underage drinking
Those kids was laughing and bulling that guy until they fucked around and found out
Go to park, walk up to a family and dont say why. They will ask what youre doing then ask you to leave. Dont leave tell me what happens
@@xavierb9061 Are you off your meds again?
@@xavierb9061you are 100% right, people in this comment section have no critical thinking skills
Those teens have no respect for ANYONE. wolfs
super original comment; fucked around and found out, you come up with that? Never heard it before, it's really cool.
Maddie needs to face charges for her actions.
But she won't because everyone knows she was just being the typical female drama queen.
For telling a crazy dude to stop harassing them??
@@iso3470 Stop with the trolling already.
That is what she did was try to get him to leave.
@@dezshane86 no. You can't walk up and try to get people to "leave" from a public place for no reason. She blocked the way to his group, where all of his stuff is.
The fact that these kids lied on the stand and are not facing any charges themselves in addition to underage drinking is beyond me.
How about this, the kids will accept the misdemeanour for underage drinking, and this psychopath goes to jail to be Tyrone's gf fro the rest of his life. Sound good? No? Not okay for you you insecure little man? Awww poor baby.
they are Not kids. They are young adults. Kids don't get drunk and high with 13 people and start a fight. Kids eat happy meals and play board games with grandma
And they’re assaulting a guy on video. The one kid said that the defendant grabbed that girl by the hair and was punching her in the back of the head all in the split second that the camera turned the other way. He never disheveled her sunglasses tho, or knocked the beer out of her hand, or knocked the vape out of her hand, or knocked the phone out of her bikini. Of all the lies they told that one really sticks out because he obviously made all that up and he did it to put a man in prison for the rest of his life…not to clear his name or anything..just to end another man’s life
@@curtf9813 okay judge curt tell us your verdict about this murderer. Joker go to work you know nothing about forensic science and interrogation just because you watch ncis…..
@@curtf9813 Because this new generation starts lying the moment they see trouble just like the mother’s who raised them. No integrity or honor whatsoever.
"NOT GUILTY". INSTEAD PUT THESE HATEFUL TRIBAL BULLIES ON TRIAL.
Calling someone a pedophile for no reason should be considered a hate crime
I absolutely agree!
i agree but it does NOT justify murder!
he said im looking for my goggles and they heard him say im looking for little girls
DID YOU MISS WHERE THE MURDERER SAID HE WAS LOOKING FOR LITTLE GIRLS!!!
He stopped their tubes which caused this whole tragedy.
@@xavierb9061 When he was wading aimlessly, it looks like he was indeed looking for a camera...
Parents teach your teenagers some manners and social skills, common courtesy and respect of other people.
And also teach them that there are crazy ass bastards everywhere that can snap on a dime. Road rage, river rage.
I agree with you, however, I think the parents must be punk-ass b****s themselves.
yes!
So they don’t grow to 52y and stab the people that verbally assault them instead of walking away. The teens even said go away, move the F on. They wonted him out of their space which he was in. They said Mius group was about 100feet away length wise and the river was about 150 feet wide. Miu was proven in yesterdays video to have so much room to look for the “phone” but he choose to be near the teens. That his own friends warned him going over near them would be seen as “creepy”.
@@DeepBoxGames You sound dumb ASF, just thought I'd let you know🤦💯
The group of teenagers should be locked in jail for at least 2 years.
You need to invest more research. That old man lied under investigation. He claimed 2 boys pulled a knife on him. That was a lie. He will get sentenced once jury sees all the facts.
This lawyer is a champ. I believe he saved Rittenhouse from the corrupt legal system as well.
In both cases a violent mob attacked 1 person and the evil state prosecutors decide to charge the victim instead of the perpetrators.
I thought he was so good with that Grosskreutz dude when he got him to admit that Rittenhouse didn't fire at him until he pointed his gun at him - ua-cam.com/video/zI3yrcLbQvc/v-deo.html
When I was young no one would have ever treated an older person like this…ever.
I agree! My folks would have been embarrassed if I had and I'd have lost driving privileges or something!!
The young kids today are not learning how to treat people with kindness and respect. Look at the video games. I read a report that all these young people that are shooters & murders are playing violent video games. 🥺
They say the adults need to earn their respect.
Ok, don’t ask me me for a thing entitled Bs..
@@ivaloowilson3524Video games...are you effin serious
Same here!
NOT GUILTY. If i was a juror...i listened to the entire trial NOT GUILTY
YOU ARE GUILTY OF BEING AN IDI IT
As did I . Miu is going away for a very long time
I would say not guilty on intentional homicide but guilty of manslaughter. Stabbing 5 people when you got hit in the face a couple times is a bit much. Yes the teens were doing dumb teen shit that we are all guilty of but getting killed for it I don’t see.
@@gman5-035 😜🔪
@@bgarmstrong1446
cope 😜🔪
I listened to the instigator of this event when he testified. He called a stranger a pedo, ramped up the accusations, involved another group of strangers, and then retreated to stand back and revel in the chaos he had created. He then filmed himself pretending to be shocked instead of trying to offer assistance. That is who should be on trial. Classic sociopath yelling fire in a theater.
Jawahn squealing as he’s crying “is this real” was pathetic instead of helping the friend that he got killed
Amateur psychology is cute but what kind of assistance do you give a man that's bleeding to death.
@@Velazquez4life-xf7ts call for help while applying pressure on the wound?
@@Velazquez4life-xf7tsStart from the top, don't egg and beg for an innocent man to be hit or attacked and then squeal when he fights with all he has. They wanted a blood bath for Nic, not for someone on his side. So it's ok they fuck Nic up for essentially nothing but scream in pain when they get the reaction for their actions.
Make amateur psychology make sense now. Did you want Nic beat until he was the one bleeding?
Make it clearer
@@Velazquez4life-xf7ts pressure
Been drunk plenty of times. Been drunk with friends plenty of times. Never, never had the urge to harass and assault someone 3x my age
Absolutely not guilty! 100% self-defense. Period.
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Clown 🤡
100 100 100 100 NOT GUILTY
totally agree parents are guiltier than him.
Miu left his safe group to return charging over to the group checking for his knife but not bring his friends. Then grabs the tubes and teens. Then opens knife moments later after walking around the tubes hits woman in face. Then he gets struck in response to Miu hitting a girl. Then Miu starts gutting AJ and stabbing others walking towards them not away.
Bullies need to be prosecuted
WORDS ARE NOT ACTIONS. AND HE WAS AN ADULT WHO WALKED OVER TO THEM AFTER THEY STARTED THE NAME CALLING. WALKED AWAY AND WALKED BACK WITH A WEAPON. HE MADE FIRST PHYSICAL CONTACT. hE LIED, A RAN AND HE DITCHED THE WEAPON. hE WAS A COWARD WHOS EGO WAS BRUISED AND PEOPLE WERE HURT AND DIES FOR HIS EGO. PERIOD
@@melaniaarnett1755you’re insane.
@@melaniaarnett1755 "words are not action"- well, words do kill, so they are action. How many children have been verbally attacked by other peers and took their own life because of words? So you are wrong. It is a serious matter how the words are used.
Miu instigated the entire event. He approached the teens, was first to lunge at them, first to make physical contact and first to use violence. He showed ZERO fear nor remorse and lied to the cops. He is guilty of murder.
BULLYING IS NOT A REASON TO KILL OR STAB ANYONE
GUILTY
Corey Chirafisi is an outstanding lethal defense attorney. He carefully meters his speed, he builds the most important supporting points and then hits with the Big Guns. If I were in a similar position, I would want him leading my legal team. Corey, if you ever read this, bravo, maestro.
Yes Bravo!!
Agreed. He is a fantastic defense attorney. It is absolutely crushing that this case was lost, and lost in such an egregious way.
Mr. Mui is absolutely 1,000,000% NOT GUILTY
Guilty. imo. Did you watch the whole trial ? Serious question.
I say guilty !!!! How would you feel if it was you child while their whole life ahead of them???? B
@@64young what does that have anything to do with being guilty or not guilty. That kind of thought process is what those idiot juror's probly thought too. It doesnt matter to me that mui lied in his interrogation because the video shows he was defending himself. All i know is that if those drunk teenagers did not act like animals, this would have not happened.
@@64young What kind of speculation? How would you feel if it was your father? We have facts, but you argue that you don’t feel as sorry for an old man as for a young man who has his whole life ahead of him.
@@POHLHAMMER I didn't watch the whole trial, but here's what I saw:
Mr Cockfield:
- And during this entire interaction up to the point we are right now, where miss Cohen comes over, mr Miu is not saying anything aggressively to any of you, right?
- No.
- He is not physically doing anything to show his aggression towards you, right?
- No.
- Any other explanation that you can think of as to why you would go around somebody, pointing at him, taunting him, calling him names, other than to humiliate him?
- No.
Now charge those teenagers with recklessly endangering their friends lives
They should be charged with reckless homicide, the teens and the adult group, including the older Mr. Carlson.
SO DO U ALSO AGREE THAT DUNCE CAP DONNY SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR HIS INCITEMENT OF THE JAN 6. MOB ?
@@W4R_pOP3._718 Literally obsessed. Go touch grass dude.
Kill and slaughter teens for name calling? You're just as dangerous and deranged as this 52 year old adult!! His smirk from knowing his knife went unnoticed tells it all! This man is not a child as he whines claiming they were in his "personal space" standing his ground! Wtf is wrong with you people! This lying psychopath is GUILTY!!
They also need to be charged with assault and they also need to be charged with perjury because they lied on the stand about various things
NOT GUILTY!!!! Parents, pay attention!!
If you are afraid of someone do you walk up on them? Defense attorneys own words. Meanwhile Nic claims he was scared for his life yet approached the teenagers by himself like a madman and never walked away until after stabbing 5 and killing 1
As a teenage boy what would you do if you saw a grown man hit a girl or woman? Defend her correct? That was the only self defense that happened. Those boys defending a girl from a 52 year old 240 pound man.
Who approach who and wouldn’t leave after being told to do so over 20-30 times ? Who 🤷🏻♂️
The defense attorney is an absolute joke of a human being
he is guilty
pay attention to what i just said to you
@@gophukyurselvs3621 If you "defend" a girl with physical violence you are guilty of the crime of assault and battery. If you hold that person's head under the water, you are using deadly force and the person is justified in using deadly force to stop that threat.
@@dalefrank6464 you are so willfully ignorant it’s comedy. No one was holding his head underwater. Matter-of-fact his head never went underwater water. Nobody made contact with him until after he struck Madison. Nick was told over 20 to 30 times before pulling out his knife to leave.
Again who approached who grabbing their inner tubes and legs without any explanation.
Who threw away their knife, and tried to lie to police that they weren’t the suspect. Then when that didn’t work, lied and said two boys had knives. Then, when he found out there was video, he lied again, and acted like he was in fear for his life. Then lied again and again and again
Only stupid morons would believe his lies lol 😂
Madison needs to be charged with PERJURY as well as EVERY TEEN WHO LIED
Nic did even more lying and trying to cover up
Watch his interrogation
So true, sadly words to those young adults don’t mean anything. They obviously didn’t learn anything from this experience.
If this were my father being circled, threatened and ultimately assaulted by this group of 13 strangers.. I would want him to protect himself in any way possible. They terrorized him.
This unfortunate situation was tragic for everyone.
My dad was attacked by a 20 year old in the late 80’s. He had no defense and was pounced on from behind, shoved off a deck . His leg got messed up bad and was never quite right. I would absolutely be terrified. I know what can happen by one young punk, imagine 13.
@@lindasherman5099 That’s absolutely horrible. I can’t imagine how frightened your dad was.
@@lindasherman5099 Except the video showed that Miu was never afraid. Perhaps he knew he had a knife. To me, Miu acted like a predator the whole time. Not once I saw any fear in him, only rage.
@@htasean7006 You are clueless. Being terrorized by a mob sometimes it's best to not show any weakness. He looked nervous trying put on a brave face so as to not embolden them.
@@AltumNovo That is quite a stretch
Not guilty now charge the kids
Only one was a teenager. The rest are adults...not kids.
They need to be in prison for battery.
there needs to be a civil case for the people who gave alcohol and drugs to underage people.
@@beatriz9376both Isaac and Jewohn were both 17 at the time.
Apparently, they weren't kids. Only one of them was a teenager. The rest were full grown adults.
@@beatriz9376what this is totally false. Isaac’s group was I believe 6 teenagers. Remember this happened 2 years ago so they were 17 then and 19 now
As a black parent, I can tell you that if any of these kids get charged, it will be the one black kid out of 13 and rightfully so.
He came across as the biggest fool ever. I am ashamed.
Lastly, if that was my son my husband and I would deal with him on a level that he would be running to the police for his life. However as parents I hope my now grown son would have exhibit learned and taught decent behavior in which he obviously has because he is a successful attorney in NY.
Wrong is wrong -
NOT GUILTY .
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Right but I think the girl who first pushed Mui and the guy who punched Mui should be charged as well.
I think they are just as responsible for escalating it.
What about Maddison?. She should also be charged. This has nothing to do with race, but actions.
I appreciate your comment as a black woman and I agree. This is sad the way that they treated that guy so I definitely approve your message. Not guilty
@@johannadavis7594yes she should be charged
He called Madison queen of the river!!! 😂😂😂 this guy is bad ass!
If I am getting stabbed I would prefer somebody coming to my aid, rather than film it with a cell phone.
NOT GUILTY‼️
Facts!
Absolutely!
Agree
Agree.
Video shows the fact.
The teens should be held accountable for inciting this monstrosity!!
they sorta did(dead friend).
the prosecution is a joke though. why go after nicolae miu? but thats how they are, just wants notches in their belt, never about justice.
He went after them first. And kept after them. He should have walked away. Instead he ripped them open from soup to nuts, ran away hid the weapon and then lied to police.
@@mothmanifest where is the video? walk away when you are getting knocked around huh? in PUBLIC space? you can't bully someone to leave public space!
you sound like someone whos never been in a fight
But it was Miu who instigated this from start to finish. He approached the teens, he lunged at them first, made first physical contact and was first to use violence. He stabbed an unarmed teenage girl in a bikini clearly unarmed and literally gutted two boys. The video shows his complete lack of fear, he was like a shark. Miu IS GUILTY OF MURDER.
@@edbenti5007 WTF are you talking about, where is the VIDEO OF this lunging, and physically attacking a girl? he put his hand up to stop her from being in his personal space. have you ever had someone putting their finger in your face?
Those drunk teens sound like a pack of wild hyenas.
I feel terrible the defendant had to spend 2 years locked up 😔
He did? Omg well he should def be out then. Not guilty and had to serve 2 years. Terrible
@@Okthen-jc2yiI’m wit ya wen ya right gang😂
NOT GUILTY.
He went back? He started walking away then ran up to the black kid that was filming and pushed the tube!!!! He put himself back in the situation. If you have an out and dont take it you can't claim self defense. The defense if claiming the point he took the knife out but he could have left way before then and none of this would of happened
A grown man acting as stupid as a group of drunk teens.
@@TheDkb427 The teens could have walked away at any point as well. But they wanted to entertain themselves by creating a spectacle (which they gleefully film.) The question is, who was acting in self defense: the mob of drunk teens who instigated the whole thing or the quiet, lone man confused and increasingly fearful of the angry group shouting at him?
It sounds like you haven't watched the whole video. In the video we see Nic (the older guy) rushing the teens and grabbing onto their tubes and perhaps legs... that's physical escalation #1. Then (not on video) multiple witnesses claim he struck a woman, and you can hear the teens reaction to it... that's physical escalation #2. He also steps in front of their tubes at one point to suggest blocking their movement. Also, at no time does he just try to, you know, BE AN ADULT and talk to the teens to settle them down.
So from the video and multiple eyewitness accounts, it seems that Nic initiated a chaos sequence that led to him stabbing 5 people and killing 1. No adult should be justifying his behavior. This doesn't mean the kids were saints, but no good person is going to go on a stabbing spree over some mean words.
@@ktrayn78the kids stood their ground it sounds like. Self defense doesn’t hold up here for the defendant who had to walk back in to a bad situation. Just saying. Can’t make claims like that only when it benefits you..
God, this lawyer is incredibly good.
Yeah chirafisi is a pro. He’s so great in cross too, he has a way of exposing the absurdity of his client’s accusers’ lies in a way that seems obvious and natural and he does so while not coming off as an aggressive angry lawyer.
And he crushed this closing!
@@russellupsumgrub9633ohhhh that’s what I just asked in main comments!! Rittenhouse attorneys were paid tho, didn’t a mass amount of people fundraise for it ??
@@russellupsumgrub9633 . Yeah, he's good at defending murderous scumbags.
@thebassinprogressive9399 oh because you were there! Your pea brain is showing
I wasnt gonna listen to closing statements because quite frankly Im sick of those two lazy prosecutors and I like Nelson, he is awesome but I like the little guys spunk better and if he wasnt closing I said what the hell, Ive heard it all already anyway. 😊But to my surprise and he was spot on.
What an injustice it would be if Miu were found guilty. Self-defense 💯
Obviously not self defense...he could have walked away, but nope...got a knife and went back to confront the drunken kids. What a dumbazz. 100% guilty.
This is a perfect example of instigators not liking the outcome. Very sad situation. Now imagine all the innocent people that found themselves in a altercation and had no video.. evidence
Good point. That’s a very scary thought
Oh yeah. Lots of people got railroaded into prison that way
My Husband is Definitely a True Prime Example who is currently incarcerated for Self Defense. My husband was attacked by a Man with a Gun who had every intention to killing my husband, by the grace of God was able to retrieve the Gun and shot the Man in the shoulder with his own weapon and my husband was charged and is serving a 15YR SENTENCE!! My husband had NO history or record or any violent crime EVER!! But the man who attacked him has a record of violence. It’s been 5Yrs since my husband’s sentence and I am still fighting for his freedom. I hope people will clearly see how f**ked up this System is. *SELF DEFENSE IS A LAW NOT A CRIME*
And the VIDEO taken by Jawahn Cockfield supports the defense… if he HADNT taken it more likely of a finding of guilty.. it would have there were against a guy with a knife. I see straight up self defense from the video
I was just thinking about that :(
The defense attorneys are way more prepared than the state attorneys
That’s cuz the State has no evidence. Only lying witnesses! Plus, they’re incompetent. This shouldn’t even have gone to trial.
As a teenage boy what would you do if you saw a grown man hit a girl or woman? Defend her correct? That was the only self defense that happened. Those boys defending a girl from a 52 year old 240 pound man.
Who approach who and wouldn’t leave after being told to do so over 20-30 times ? Who 🤷🏻♂️
The defense attorney is an absolute joke of a human being
The video says it all.
@@gophukyurselvs3621 agreed this man 100% murdered these kids. He is a vile drunk who needs to atone for his crimes.
@@gophukyurselvs3621 Except we don't even know if she was punched. The defense close makes good comments about it.
Excellent presentation by defense, clear, logical and methodical.
The defense attorney made an excellent closing argument. If justice is done Nic will be exonerated. The ones who should be in prison are the punks who attacked him and created the situation that got some of their number stabbed and one killed.
Madison’s entitlement of thinking she can tell a grown man twice her age what to do is what’s wrong with society. Her and Jahwan bully tactics to humiliate Mr. Mui is what escalated the situation.
Exactly...
Maddie caused everything to happen. And thats what she wanted. To be Big Boss Lady of the River. She is to blame.
@@EM-ig7ib women play a "transactional" "game" called 'let's you and him fight' re: Eric Bernes
Yep..
Those two crazy river harpies were so outrageous and then touched and pushed him with their actual hands, unbelievable
and there it is....the privilege of MEN thinking they GET to boss everyone else around while believing men can do whatever they please...but at the same time these MEN can't handle being teased. I could hear the anger in Nic's voice when he says he heard them calling him names but then on cross he claims he didn't hear insults. He is a liar for a reason.
"Queen of the river" lololol. Let me correct him " Queen Karen of the River" the ultimate river monster. Madison Coen, the bully who wouldn't testify in open court. The bully of bullies. I was jumped by a Karen in my teens and she refused to testify in criminal court so the judge made me leave the court room. He nailed her tho, as I heard later.
Well Madison isn't on trial here.
@@craiglockwood981 She should face a grand jury next.
@@craiglockwood981 One would think when you are the cause of an escalation resulting in death, you'd have the balls to stand up and face the person you are accusing of murder in court. She's a bully who got her courage to harass that guy from booze and drugs.
My point was about bullies being cowards when they are actually confronted by the reality of their behaviour. Neither the Karen of the River or the Karen that jumped me would face the consequences of open court where the bully Karen is laid bare.
Why haven't we seen Madison Cohen? Where is she now?
Like my husband always so wisely says….”social media ruins lives.”
And here you are...on social media.... 😂
@@TrungCyf what a strange response. Whether I’m on social media or not, it’s destroying the world. The folks doing what these kids did FOR social media is what’s ruining the world, and lives. I don’t do sh*t on here but watch random videos and cat videos on tik tok🤷🏻♀️
@@Magencory17 So its not really social media thats destroying the world...its just bad people in general (on/off social media).
What a brilliant summation by this defence lawyer, Corey Chirafisi.
Based solely on the video I would find him not guilty.
Not guilty of murder, no he's so freaking Guilty it's ridiculous
Agreed. First, the video discredits most of the "eyewitness" testimony. Second, any REASONABLE person in his position would feel an absolute imminent threat of serious injury or death. It appeared to me that everyone was attacking him without any provocation. The second group joined in without any clue what was happening and immediately became aggressive toward him. It was so bizarre...or should I say they acted like a bunch of drunks.
It is possible he might be found guilty of one or two assaults, perhaps the tattooed girl?! That was arguably unreasonable. However, the prosecutor did not do a great job during closing so even that is questionable.
💯guilty just with the video alone.
Well good thing we need ALL the evidence rather than a 30 second video 🤦🏻♀️
I think there’s were a lot of us made up our minds. The 3 min video puts it in a totally different light than the stills of him “looking angry”
That video is scary. Absolutely assaulted and surrounded by out of control, drunk people. I'd absolutely be afraid for my life.
Miu approached the teens first aware he had a lethal weapon, was first to lunge at them, first to make physical contact and was first to throw a punch. He stabbed a teenage girl HALF HIS WEIGHT for God’s sake who was clearly unarmed and no threat to him. He is GUILTY OF MURDER.
Miu was also drunk, and he LIED to the SHERIFF.
Same here!
@edbenti5007 YOU DID NOT WATCH THE VIDEO WHERE IT STARTED. Where Jamaal shouted Mui was looking for little girls and it escalated from there. They were all verbally and physically assaulting him as a crazed group. He struck out at the crazed group. She had been hitting him along with all the others. You did not listen to all the testimony either. You have not listened to this closing statement either. You just made an assumption and pretend it's the truth. Bet you wouldn't have wanted your father or mother treated like this.
@@edbenti5007 the "victims" lied from day 1 and on the stand. They were awful witnesses and not even their injuries matched their positions and what they claimed they were doing. Some day you might find yourself surrounded by intoxicated mob without a knife. Good luck.
This is a classic case of mob mentality (which we all know how dangerous that can be). Those kids were looking for trouble & were emboldened by the imbalance...13 against one guy.
I do not believe this man is guilty what so ever at all. I think he was bullied intimidated and harassed and he defended himself. PERIOD!
I love how bullies always playing the victims
Bet, they want reparations? 😂
f-n punks he didn't have a gun if they knew he had a knife, some way he could defend himself they would have been running scared bullies
💯💯💯 The pack of bullies should be charged for the outcome.
I like how u all assume the boys are to blame. Life for nic.
Yes he went over there to bully them he mistakenly thought he could go over there and Bully those kids who in the right mind would go over with a bunch of kids having fun partying in the water and try to bully them Siri his attorney out of just say you know you are stupid and just get on with your life he didn't get hurt he should be charged for stabbing those kids no matter what because they didn't stab him they didn't even have weapons
"for the culture" thats the dumbest comment from the kid recording
He brought his racist culture to the river.
Exactly the same thing I thought he's an idiot he doesn't know what words mean
And what did the group of kids bring to this circus?
Culture of uncivil behavior -- entitled, immature people don't understand where this is headed
@@myazstartaunting, name calling, belligerence, violence
Honestly the group of young adults should be held accountable for causing their friends death. Maybe not by the law but by morality at least
So not only is the psychopath not guilty for Isaac's death, but you think his friends are guilty? I can only imagine how limp your wedding tackle is, and from a young age too! Insecurity. Please, stay away from kids!
@@JohnSmith-pn1vv Sorry, your "protecting the children" defense doesn't cut it in the Real World where grown-up people are watching how this went down. Should never have been charged or kept in jail for 2 years...
@@JohnSmith-pn1vvyou clearly have not seen how athletic a teenager can be. There are 16 year old who will crush you easily in a fight regardless of how confident you think you are. Taking the moral high ground doesn’t make anyone right. It was a very screwed up situation, he should have tried to walk away, then if attacked he would have “looked” better. However, by law! You have no duty to try to walk away when being threatened by someone blocking your path forward. They had the duty to move out of his way so he could get past but instead they are all standing in his way intimidating him.
@@Strider86 I'm a 190 lb male with a killer left, I don't think I would stab a 115lb teenage girl in the back 'in self defence' lol. Please be unlike your wedding tackle, and harden up.
@@JohnSmith-pn1vvthe psychopaths are/were this mob of teens. Attacking this man and enjoying hurting and inciting other people against him.
I like this defense lawyer!
Awesome closing argument from the defense. NOT GUILTY!
If you are afraid of someone do you walk up on them? Defense attorneys own words. Meanwhile Nic claims he was scared for his life yet approached the teenagers by himself like a madman and never walked away until after stabbing 5 and killing 1
As a teenage boy what would you do if you saw a grown man hit a girl or woman? Defend her correct? That was the only self defense that happened. Those boys defending a girl from a 52 year old 240 pound man.
Who approach who and wouldn’t leave after being told to do so over 20-30 times ? Who 🤷🏻♂️
The defense attorney is an absolute joke of a human being
He is a good attorney.
Excellent closing statements to prove Adequate Provacation as part of the Second Degree Reckless Homicide with AP. Mui's statements to the female detective right after the killing are damning and full of bold faced lies. Remember he fled the scene into the woods without rendering aid and never called 911 after killing a 17 year old boy.
@@gophukyurselvs3621he doesn’t need to leave that’s the point here. They had no right to even say that to him either. Hw has every right to be there.
@@gophukyurselvs3621you lost. Get over it.
NOT GUILTY
Broke my heart when he took the stand, looking up at the photo of him recovering with his beloved pup, called his baby. Obvious he's devastated but somehow managed to keep his composure.
Not guilty! Just Awful! 😢
Who gave all these teenagers alcohol?? Hold this person accountable. This man taught these punk kids a lesson they will always remember
Only one of them was a teenager. The rest are adults,
@@beatriz9376 drinking age adults? I didn't follow these details
I don't think this their first time picking on someone like this and God had to put a ending to this in which it took this situation to happen. These teenagers need to be arrested for what they did. People need to understand when you mistreat someone you are only mistreating yourself. Overall, the final judge is God and he will help this guy , I see that clearly! Just wait you guys and allow God to do his work over this case !
Agree
The Gentle Giant
This defense lawyer is the straightest and most ethical I've ever seen, in a publicly viewable trial. He has greatly represented his client!
As a teenage boy what would you do if you saw a grown man hit a girl or woman? Defend her correct? That was the only self defense that happened. Those boys defending a girl from a 52 year old 240 pound man.
Who approach who and wouldn’t leave after being told to do so over 20-30 times ? Who 🤷🏻♂️
The defense attorney is an absolute joke of a human being
He is a smart attorney but he comes across as arrogant imo
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Show us where this happened.
Yes his job is to lie and make you believe it.
Agreed 💯
The worst thing about all of this is how the prosecutor actually went along that pos Juwan's ridiculous allegations that Mr. Miu was a pedophile looking for children. The prosecutor should be ashamed of himself.
Its so insane to hear them collectively laughing uncontrollably in the video while saying they were scared on the stand
Yes, they were hideously mocking him and scoffing at him. Harassment, bullying, and assault of the highest magnitude. Just horrifying to see.
Not guilty. Self defense.
He hid the knife at first, didn't even brandish it before going full swing... After the stabbings he tossed his knife onto the riverfront, changes his clothes, put on a hat, and tried to quietly leave to the parking lot.
That's guilty AF imho.
@@pfury67Irrelevant.
hung jury. Your not going to get everyone agreeing on this.
@@pfury67 Irrelevant to anything goofy, try again.
Buddy stabbed 2 people who posed no threat. Man was absolutely in a vulnerable position but he doesn’t even try to leave. Stabs 5 and then leaves.
Being attacked by a mob warrants using the force necessary to protect yourself. Especially if you have zero chance of defending yourself with your hands alone. Justified self defense against unjustified use of force by the mob.
Kyle Rittenhouse.... Hold my beer..
Nope, Miu never even tried to use a lesser amount of force. That's what his trial is about. He was in a fist fight. Take the knife out of his hand. What is the outcome now. Miu only got hit 3 times. Isaac for one would still be alive. This is why Miu is in the courtroom.
@@craiglockwood981Why should he have to? Why should he be subjected to the mob to begin with? You’re not looking at the core problem, which is the bullies.
Except that MIU instigated the contact aware he had a lethal weapon. He was drunk, made first physical contact and was first to use violence. Miu is GUILTY OF MURDER.
@@edbenti5007 he was not the first to use violence. Your feelings are a little delusional
This defense lawyer is really good.
Kids like this is why I quit teaching
The guy was lunging at Miu when he got stabbed. That’s his own fault. Not Guilty!!!
How could a Lover not a Fighter possibly make any kind of aggressive move ! Thats like saying the sky is not blue ...GUILTY GUILTY .
Ok, and guilty on all other charges
Ya, what was Riley the girl doing that was so threatening the Miu needed to stab her. Or how about Tony, Dante's older brother who just trying to break up Tony thought was a fist fight. Tony wasn't attacking Miu. In fact when Miu started stabbing people nobody was attacking him. Miu go struck 3 times. There were no marks on his face. Your statement, "the guy was lunging at Miu when he got stabbed" is absolutely ridiculous. The point I'm making is Miu shouldn't have been stabbing anyone.
@@craiglockwood981by that logic, there were no marks on the girls face that he supposedly punched.
@@EbolacrashWrong. Are you an urban thug?
Man this lawyer is good.
Lawyers have to be good at twisting and lying it’s there job they go to school for it.
This is Kyle rittenhouse lawyer as well.
And Kyle Rittenhouse was not guilty as well....@@Destiny-vg9ov
@@Destiny-vg9ov Another doofus who was defending himself lawfully
@@Destiny-vg9ovhey if this was your father that was done this way and he defended himself would you still say the same thing? I bet not. Anyone can see a big difference between rittenhouse and nick. Rittenhouse left his home to purposely get in the middle of that stuff, he went there armed knowing what was going on, he had a gun he wasn’t allowed to even have,at the end of the day they did approach him, so he should’ve been found guilty on something. Nick didn’t take the knife to stand up to bullies he didn’t go to the river looking for trouble, he didn’t do anything except ask about his friend’s phone.
The Judge and the Prosecutor of this case MUST be disbarred for life for bringing a fully justifiable case of self-defense to trial; instead of charging those who incited a violent mob, and those who violently accosted and assaulted Mr. Nicolae Miu. Moreover, a competent Prosecutor should have charged the two adult women on he scene for contributing to delinquency of minors by providing alcohol to juveniles, and for inciting those drunk juveniles into a violent mob to commit felony assault against an innocent passerby. Both the Judge and the Prosecutor absolutely MUST be disbarred for life and civilly charged for systemic conspiracy to destroy an innocent man who was forced to defend himself by a drunken, violent mob of juvenile delinquents led by two adult female bully ring leaders.
Brilliant closing by the defense attorney!! NOT GUILTY!
NOT guilty!! 💯💯
there needs to be a civil case for the people who gave alcohol and drugs to underage people.
Please take your meds. You can write phatty letters in prison soon
Good luck in getting the information of where and who gave the teens the alcohol. They won't tell .
first time realizing underage kids do drugs and drink? You people are so obtuse lol
@@bbash578it is important because they should be charged for getting their friend killed and charged as adults
It’s a low level misdemeanor offense that will result in a fine at worst.
My heart breaks for that man
What he’s been through 😢
Whoops! I deleted a photo during a homicide case but still instigate until I have to show proof that I don't have.
I love the defense team. I hope these kids get charges filed against them
One of the best closing arguments I’ve ever heard. Kudos to this attorney.
I thought they did a really great job too, but he was still found guilty. I hope they have the ability to appeal.
@@swk1137..everyone has the ability to appeal.
@@erin.v.m657 I understand it’s a constitutional right but public records show right now that his lawyers have not filed a notice to appeal, which was apparently due after 20 days of the conviction in Wisconsin.
Defense lawyer is seriously good
Not Guilty
AMEN.
The saddest part about all of this is that if Nic Miu were to be found guilty, the group of people who berated him, called him lewd names, bullied him, and assaulted him will spend the rest of their lives believing that they were right in doing what they did and that they got away with their awful Behavior without any consequences. Everyone who surrounded Nic, laughed at him, called him names, berated him and assaulted him should feel responsible for the outcome of all of this. Their Behavior is what is responsible for leading to destroying one man’s life and the unnecessary death of one of their friends. They played with fire, got burnt, and now they trying to make excuses so they don’t face the consequences.
Not guilty
Agree. How I think of it is, I wouldn’t mind if Mr. Miu moved in next door and probably actually feel safer. But any of those kids or Madison, I would probably end up hating living in my house, and feel in danger.
I’m afraid of that from any group like this if that happens. It’s already been reported a man was attacked by a group of teens on the news yesterday
Totally agree!
The kids did nothing illegal mui on the other hand rushed them for no reason and escalated to deadly force, he knows he’s guilty that’s why he started to lie about the events immediately and has continued to lie thankfully there’s a recording of everything
Sooooo at first I felt like this man was totally a weirdo and those kids and anyone harmed didn't deserve it. After watching the whole trial, I've never in my life had the poorest judgement on a situation off jump and I've never been wrong usually from my first initial thought. I truly don't think this nicolaoe mui was in the wrong. I did a complete 360 after watching this entire trial and the only thing I feel really sad about this is that well one someone should never have been harmed to begin with but this man also has had so many things happen after the false claims the teens made. Including a divorce. This is not something that should of happened but I hope the jury finds this man not guilty. Smh so crazy.
I agree. They ruined this guy's life
Your a good person. My husband and I went grocery shopping, when he returned the cart, out of no where thugs approached him. I was already in the car. My husband carries a pocket knife. As the thugs were taunting him, I was screaming out the window "it's not.worth it!! It's not worth it!!" He could barely say 3 words the whole way home. I thought the kids were just being wordy, but no. He went in the bathroom and called me in, here his back had what looked like a million tiny bruises. He thinks they had a hand held by gun or something. I could not tell all that was going on. He was terrified, I can only imagine what Mr. Miu went through. Horrific. Not guilty, self defense p.s. we live an hour from where this happened, and it did not surprise me when it did.
Damn good lawyer.
I really believe that Cockfield and Coen are the reason why this whole thing escalated the way it did. This defense attorney Mr. Chirafisi calls Cockfield “the ringleader” and Coen “the queen of the river.” Couldn’t agree more.
Yes I agree, both are bullies who instigated and created the problem.
I guess you missed the part where one of Miu’s own group suggested he not bother the kids but he intentionally did. And the part on video where he actually lunged at the kids FIRST and threw the FIRST PUNCH. MIU IS GUILTY OF MURDER.
@@edbenti5007 AGREE 100% with you. He’s guilty as sin!!!
@@edbenti5007how did the punch murder them?
imagine if there was no video
Not Guilty! Madison is the guilty one!
The loudmouth camera guy started it
Exactly, but not be for her one lie then they wouldn't have a case. She is a despicable human being. Did her deposition without being on video. Why? Cause she knows we will crucify her. We will find your pic, though Maddy. You will face the scrutiny your group faces only worse cause your lie is what this case hinges on.
All them are guilty.
That’s why she’s hiding.
Not guilty
NOT GUILTY....If I was minding my own business I would've done the same os Mr. Miu did. DEFEND MY SELF!...THOSE KIDS WERE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE! When you put young kids with alcohol, there will ALWAYS be trouble, they think they can fight the world and everyone in it!.,, What if Mr Miu did not speak English. They taunted him..I dont wish anyone dead, but i would defend myself..
The defense attorney did a phenomenal job in the closing argument, in my opinion. This is what happens when you mix alcohol & a mob mentality. Who do they think they are, screaming in a grown man's face & calling him those horrific names, & for no reason but to humiliate him. It's so sad that young man died. In my mind, all of the kids involved, are to blame for that
He's a very good lawyer, no doubt. Though to be fair, he had mountains of evidence to back up his claim. It's pretty easy to defend your client's claim of self defense when you literally have video of him being surrounded by a drunken mob and assaulted from all sides.
They got their friend killed and they should be charged with felony manslaughter and Mr miu should go free for the culture
The comment of the trial 🤣
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@@ashleyorourke2367 Definitely :)
So miu approached them, charged at them, and no one attacked him until he put hands on someone and miu is the victim? He could and should have walked away. He had the chance to do that several times, he could have used words and spoken to the teens. He chose not to talk and try to resolve the issue, he could have stayed silent and walked away. He chose not to do that and then chose to stab people. The teens and others were loud and drunk but that isn't an excuse to kill someone. No one laid hands on him until he chose to act.
it could have went differently if SOMEONE IN THE GROUP had commons sense
I applaud the defense attorneys, what a nice job representing their client!!!
the kids made his job easy to be honest. They recorded the whole thing for him, you know, for the culture.
@@TheObeyMayhem Exactly. Recording something can go both ways. They probably thought they had all the "proof" they needed!
Honestly, it's all about the video. I see it completely different. None of those teens threatened Miu enough to justify being killed by him. But, we'll see.
Everyone has their own opinion & that’s ok. However, I personally don’t believe Miu intended to kill.
He’s the same attorney that represented Kyle Rittenhouse. He’s going to win.
Slam dunk case of self defense.
Its amazing that those punks werent prosecuted for being a bunch of douchebags.
Herd mentality.
These kids were so smart they video recorded their crimes. Each person involved in attacking Mr Mui needs to be charged for their actions.
Absolutely!
Miu can sue?
I hope he can counter sue. He lost everything…
💯💯💯💯💯
Mr mui would be in jail for life if it wasn't for the video .. I mean I honestly think Mr mui didn't ha b e a choice. If he'd have done it differently with less severity unfortunately. Mr mui would have been attacked no doubt, and Mr mui didn't know what these young ppl were cabale of if they weren't stopped in their tracks. This is all unfortunately but if the teenagers would have acted just indifferent or cordial ..nothing would have ever happened that day
NOT GUILTY‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
If you are afraid of someone do you walk up on them? Defense attorneys own words. Meanwhile Nic claims he was scared for his life yet approached the teenagers by himself like a madman and never walked away until after stabbing 5 and killing 1
As a teenage boy what would you do if you saw a grown man hit a girl or woman? Defend her correct? That was the only self defense that happened. Those boys defending a girl from a 52 year old 240 pound man.
Who approach who and wouldn’t leave after being told to do so over 20-30 times ? Who 🤷🏻♂️
The defense attorney is an absolute joke of a human being
@@gophukyurselvs3621you must have not watched the whole trial?
Mui does 15 years in prison for Second Degree Reckless Homicide Adequate Provacation is best hope of defense. He killed a 17 year old and stabbed 3 others and probably adequate provacation will be proven
@@pulidoleslie4673 we did, Chico!! Did you???
Where is the recording of him hitting her ?..
This lawyer is such an amazing defense attorney.
Not Guilty. He should never have been charged. Prosecutor is disgusting for the damage he's caused to this mans life. Prosecutor is a self serving waste of space.
Not guilty.
As a teenage boy what would you do if you saw a grown man hit a girl or woman? Defend her correct? That was the only self defense that happened. Those boys defending a girl from a 52 year old 240 pound man.
Who approach who and wouldn’t leave after being told to do so over 20-30 times ? Who 🤷🏻♂️
The defense attorney is an absolute joke of a human being
Not guilty
@gophukyurselvs3621 There was no video of him hitting the lady. There's no video or timestamp. If there was after doing all the research I do about this, I would have seen it. But there's no evidence he laid a finger on her.
@@gophukyurselvs3621 Their "defense" against this alleged punch was excessive. After surrounding him, screaming at him, pushing him, knocking him down, and hitting him while he is in the water and trying to get back up...they could have just left in their tubes. No one was blocking them. But they continued and because there was 13 of them and 1 of him, he had no other way of defending himself or escaping.
Imagine if this scenario had ended in Nic drowning because they knocked him down and kept beating him into the water. That was a possibility. You're ignorant if you don't think it is. 13 people - mixed age, size, and gender - do not equate 1 260 lb man. This was not a fair fight. A weapon is a very good equalizer in this situation.
I'm curious. Do you think he's not guilty of any wrongdoing here? Or not guilty of first-degree murder, but guilty of a lesser crime?
This is why I tell my kids not to fuck with strangers...
Stranger danger is real. Think the young kids were making fun of him to get him to leave yet he came back and push the tube of the kid filming. How can you claim self defense when you have an out and dont take it but go back knowing you have a knife and incite the situation?
@TheDkb427 I agree with you. I don't like the idea of him using self defense, especially when we have video evidence that he could have just walked away. There was no need for deadly force but it's wild to see how many disagree with us on that.
@@Dstnbrgnwhy should he, it's a free River he was looking for his belongings, I believe even if he did try to walk away they would have continued to taunt him, and possibly drowned him
@maxpunkin3128 I don't think it takes much speculation as to why he should have walked away from a group of rowdy drunk teens... pretty sure the phone no one but him cared about could wait while they floated away down the river... 🤔 seems logical to me anyways.
No need to walk away, a stand your ground exist for a reason. Of these drunk thugs would have been taught properly by their parents this incident would have been avoided. Everyone was drinking heck even the river was drunk. That said the young drunk teens should have known better. Sure in hindsight he should have walked away but it’s too late now. This is the same issue with Kyle Rittenhouse… too many god dang stupid kids and adults during that day and the days that followed
Not Guilty Self Defense. They Assaulted &
Taunted this man
what a calm and methodical presentation of the truth
Funny how Madison was the only person who did not show her face. This man’s life is on the line. NOT GUILTY.
Guilty all the way. Boys can say what they want, that ur 1st amendment, dont like free speech, change the amendment.
She’s a coward! She should be charged. She knows what she did, that’s why she didn’t show her face.
She and the black kid Jawahn started the whole thing! She should be in prison.
She should have been subpoenaed. To stand trial
The least actually traumatized of them all… hmmm
The defense just crushed this closing. Anyone who saw the videos and listened to the key points, he laid it out very well.
Guilty by far
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Delusional by far 🫵
@@xxredhoodxx5738 😂 we'll see soon huh.
Amen!!
@@xxredhoodxx5738as he said “anyone who saw the videos and listened to the key points” … clearly you did not
Does anyone know why he wasn't granted bail this whole time? The man has been in jail for 2 years... For defending himself. It's so sad.
I those "kids" should have been the ones charged. He was being attacked by a mob of people, it was clearly self defense.
One of the best closing arguments I've seen in a long time.
This lawyers tone & timing are perfect.
💯 Not Guilty.
Apparently you didn't see or forgot about Darrell Brooks Historical Closing Argument. 😮😮😮
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Hahahahaha...brilliant 😂🤣😂
@@GAF19577a good closing argument is a good closing argument regardless of results 😮😮😮
Not guilty all the way
YOU REALLY ARE STU PID
Delusional
You go around gutting people when they get in your face?
100% guilty, remembers nothing of the stabbing or consistently telling lies to police but can perfectly recall exactly how he felt and he felt truly truly in fear for his life, bullshit.
No guilty!