Despite the low reputation of Star Trek: Nemesis, it did have an epic multi-tier battle. For one thing, the shields are actually important, and the Enterprise makes effort to keep its weakened segments pointing away from the Scimitar, and when the ventral shields collapse, that's when a boarding party is able to beam aboard and the fight becomes much more personal.
@@davidknowles2491 Beyond was amazing, Dis season 1 was meh, second season was aight, 3rd season was better. Picard is trash, sure, but then there's lower decks too that's amazing.
@@IchigoKurosakicool Can't comment on Lower decks as I've not seen it yet. My only experience with Disco was season 1, so if 2 and 3 are any better I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I was mainly referring to Picard though, which as you say is trash, and dumps cow dung over the the legend that was Jean-Luc by turning him into a barely functioning wreck of a man.
I don't care what anyone says - I love this movie. Plus the best space battle scene. If they released an extended cut with the deleted scenes reinserted, it would help a lot of the issues about which some complain.
That's nice to hear. I think it's good that some of these films get love. A lot of people like The Motion Picture, I'm a fan of The Final Frontier. I honestly hope there's someone out there whose favourite film is Insurrection. IDIC and all that.
It's not my favourite, but I've always oddly enjoyed this film too. Sure, it has flaws (the choice of director was a colossal screw-up), but I like it anyway. The space battle is a genuine pleasure to watch.
I like this movie for its delving into mortality and purpose of one’s drive in life. Someone can be a beacon of hope, exploration, and love. While biologically the same person can be an instrument of terror, loathing, and death. Nice bonus is the Scimitar is such an amazingly badass ship. Picard says the Scimitar is “Predator”. Fitting that it can cloak, is a hunter/killer, and has advanced technology.
@@Nine-Signs No, I don't think so. The story was simple, just a typical _gotta stop the bad guy_ kind of thing. The problem was how the story was told, and for that you gotta look to the director.
Shinzon literally did a “Top Gun” move “Full stop!!…Fire!! Viceroy: Where did you you learn that, sir? Shinzon: Saw it in a…what did they call them? A “Movie”.
It was a terrible movie. Great concept and idea, but the execution was horrible. Troi gets telepathically r*ped, and Riker runs off after the guy in the middle of a fight. The bold move to ram the Enterprise into the enemy vessel. Over the top performances. It was the worst of the Star Trek movies.
The worst of the ST films is a tie between Final Frontier and Insurrection. Nemesis is actually very enjoyable with some great visuals, action, and an interesting plot. It's certainly not without its flaws, but it's far from being the worst in the series.
I actually think this is the best of the star trek movies (particularly considering the drivel that came after it). The deep philosophical question of nature vs nurture, and are our destinies pre determined by the circumstances of our birth, I think speaks so much for the core ethos of Trek and what its always been about. I think it acts as a great send off to the whole cast and crew as well. The other films don't do it in quite the same way for me, though I don't think they are bad by any means. Never quite understood why it always gets such a bad rep.
YES! FINALLY, SOMEONE GET'S IT! Plus, it has the absolute best performances of all the films! Nemesis was not a cash grab. They truly put effort into every scene of this film! That's why it remains to be the best of the films. Its predecessor 'Insurrection' can burn in hell.
Still hard to believe, for Star Trek, the Scimitar not only could take every quantum torpedo the Enterprise had in their arsenal, the entire phaser capacity, take out 2 other Romulan warships, all with just minimal damage to itself, and at that huge size, still be faster than fastest ship in Federation, the Enterprise, at full warp. Nice battle though
The speed issue is likely misleading. There is a difference in the maximum speed the ship can reach as opposed to the maximum warp it could maintain for long periods. The Scimitar only needed to catch up to the Enterprise in the Rift so it could have pushed its engines a bit harder knowing it didnt need to keep it up for too long and risk damaging them. I do agree tho that the ship was way over powered in terms of weapons and shields.
Yeah if the Scimitar was decloaked the whole time I reckon the match would have been extremely close. They may still have beaten the E but would be severely damaged.
@@ToothlessDragon536 What the hell are you guys talking about ?? After battlening two Valdore class warbirds and the Enterprise E the Scimitar shields were still at 70% ... and that was Shinzon doing his best NOT TO DESTROY the Enterprise. Keep in mind that Shinzon didn´t feel the need to use any torpedos, not even against the Romulan warbirds .... The Scimitar was the most powerful ship of both Alpha and Beta quadrants, carrying 5 times more firepower the a Sovereign class with with primary and secondary shields ... So cloak or no cloak the Enterprise E would have had absolutely no chance against the Scimitar.
Because Shinzon is Human. Shinzon liberated the Remans from their Romulan oppressors, and they do what they can to honour him. Hence the ships OS and text is in Reman, but the ship speaks in English. And before you say he'd speak Reman, he does, but remember his original purpose was to replace Picard as a spy/operative, so he already knew English before they scrapped that program and tossed him into the Mines on Remus
@@Shinzon23 None of that is true, it's because there's no such thing as Reman/Romulan languages, and even if there was the audience wouldn't understand it.
"Keep our bow on the Scimitar, auxiliary power to forward shields". Helm - "nah screw that, I'm coming about and showing them our aft with no shields".
@@spoons3816 Dude specific orders were given and straight up ignored...with a torpedo chasing their weakened aft shields as a result. watch the scene...
This is both the best and the worst part of the movie. I love everything about this battle except for one thing: The Scimitar remained almost completely undamaged after taking multiple quantum torpedoes. It's an example of how inconsistent weapons work in Star Trek. In First Contact they blew Borg Sphere's apart like dust. In DS9 you apparently needed to use more to kill a smaller Dominion ship. In the end, I always thought that these were some of the nastiest torpedoes out there and getting hit by one was bad news. Not here. Yes they see sparks, but I want to see hull damage. If they launch their Quantum Torpedo payload into this ship I want more than a bunch of shield impacts. It loses a bit of something if the Enterprise can't even breach their shield grid and force them to reroute power or anything with their most powerful weapon. It doesn't make the Scimitar seem "menacing", it makes it seem like a plot point. Anyway, outside of that it's a great fight. It could have been solved with more hull damage to the Scimitar and them needing to do more emergency measures to keep flying. Live long and prosper!
Agreed. It would have worked better had the Scimitar been meaningfully wounded in the fight and while taking a "breather" to make some hasty repairs the Enterprise rams it somewhere near the engines. That would justify Shinzon not simply leaving the fight and taking his doom weapon to Earth. Instead, the best space battle in Star Trek movie history ends with the bad guy stupidly throwing away his overwhelming victory because he wants to stare down his defeated opponent (even though they can't see each other) and then apparently can't escape because being rammed in the docking bay somehow knocks out all engine power, or something. Honestly, it's a good example of how all over the place this movie was - great moments and lousy ones tossed together in a way that is unsatisfying.
@@matth.2916 Data dying was a Spock ST2 moment that took a hell of a lot longer to rectify by bringing Data back for the last season of Picard. Nemesis was maddening because it had the ingredients to make an excellent TNG movie but inexplicable changes turned it into a boring 2 hour episode. It's like none of the recent Trek movie directors had watched The Wrath of Khan.
I think there should have been more damage to the bridge area of the enterprise in her close up before ramming the Scimitar. But that's just me. Still epic Star Trek.
On star fleet record, The Scimitar was the most advanced dreadnought that the Federation ever encountered. And yes, an advanced dreadnought is trans-warp capable just like the U.S.S. Vengeance.
@@cantdestroyher7245 They would've had a cloaked base either on Remus or an asteroid belt. Considering Remans were used as a slave class, they probably would've been the ones to construct fleets for their overlords.
If only the new Star Trek movies would have had this style of space battle instead of the JJ Abrahams ADHD style of non-stop explosions, incessant camera zooming and screen shaking headache material
One thing I will give this film, is that in the space battle you know exactly what is going on and who is firing at who. In DIS and PIC the space battles are supremely muddy and visually confused.
Beautiful highly time-consuming work, thank you! I definitely prefer roughly 24fps as so many of us have grown up with that looking more "cinematic." I was excited to see the 48fps of The Hobbit in theaters but it made all non-CGI live-action scenes feel like 30fps home videos, soap operas, live television, and now many youtube videos which have no interest/advantage in looking more like a film for theaters. Even though it's said we can't perceive past 60fps that's pretty much been proven wrong by 120fps/Hz video gaming on 120 monitors, hasn't it? So, I'd love to at least check out what a theatrical film or short film with CGI scenes all filmed and rendered with 120fps as the standard throughout. Would it feel REALLY real? Or even MORE like home video? We're just so dang used to 24fps/48th sec exposure (aka 180 degrees shutter angle for pros) for movies. Not to mention anamorphic lenses and each series' unique "undesired" qualities which make them look less sterile and hyper-sharp (unlike phone cameras default settings, most modern camera lenses) - so then the anamorphic lenses and softer lenses look more realistic to us since they look like most of the classics we've seen a hundred times. I wondered why the film "Keanu" with Key and Peele looked kinda like cheap garbage $35 c-mount lenses all around the edges but still anamorphic (oval bokeh, vertical breathing, etc) - they used NEW expensive anamorphic lenses DESIGNED to look like RETRO anamorphics! haha Boy I'd love those. Anyway, thanks for reading my cool story/rant lol. Thanks again for your work on these upscales on movies I love! Trying to do this with open source on google colab notebooks would be incredibly expensive in member fees I think.
1. The Wrath of Khan 2. The Undiscovered Country 3. First Contact 4. The Voyage Home 5. Star Trek 2009 6. Beyond 7. Search for Spock 8. The Motion Picture 9. Generations 10. Into Darkness 11. Nemesis 12. Insurrection 13. The Final Frontier
1. Wrath of Khan 2. Search for Spock 3. The Voyage Home 4. The Final Frontier 5. The Undiscovered Country 6. Star Trek (2009) 7. First Contact 8. Beyond 9. The Motion Picture 10. Generations 11. Insurrection 12. Nemesis 13. Into Darkness
Now just imagine, if while the Enterprise was still locked face first with the Scimitar, they just started unloading quantum torpedoes one right after the other.
The quantum torpedo launchers are near the centre of the saucer section I’m pretty sure, I don’t think damage from the tactical ram went that far back.
I just realized how dumb the part is where the scimitar backs away from the enterprise. Lol the enterprise wasn’t anchored in space. Once the hulls were impacted shouldn’t the scimitars engines dragged the enterprise with it???
@@TheRedstoneScout no. Lol inertial dampers keep people inside the ship from flying around when the ship moves around or it’s hit with weapons fire. Nothing holds the ship in place except for engines and thrusters bringing it to a full stop. The physics are just completely ignored in that scene.
@@superhayes256 there is a difference between inertia and inertial. Inertia dampeners, while never fully mentioned in the Trek use thrusters and other propulsion to maintain positioning and allow the the ship to slow down/turn without manual input from the helmsman to fire thrusters. That would be very very tedious with a ship that size.
@@TheRedstoneScout not a thing. Lol they were not using thrusters or impulse to hold their position. The ship was basically dead in the water. Picard didn’t want the ships to become separated. He wanted to destroy or cripple the scimitar. None of what you’re saying makes what I mention in the original comment make sense.
It depends, but I would say probably not. The Enterprise masses several million tons, and while there's nothing anchoring it in place, that's a lot of inertia that has to be overcome in order to get it moving. While the friction between both ships would provide a great deal of resistance, there are still no structural components designed to withstand the force of a starship's engines connecting them. Since motion is relative in space, it's entirely possible that Enterprise WAS being pulled along with Scimitar for the most part, but the amount of force being applied by Scimitar's engines was simply greater than the resistance that could be applied by the friction of the two ships stuck together.
funniest part about this movie was the enterprise E could take like thousands of hits at will, it can run straight into another ship and another ship can explode what looks like a few thousands meters from it with no shields and its fine? Pretty amazing plot armor.
With all the CGI under their belt and they still can't match this battle. :)) This didn't have the best plot but still managed to make a better Star Trek than anything post the Star destroyer brought with his flare infested maggoty movies.
I really don't get people's hatred of this movies. Ok, there are some flaws, but they did a good job overall and tried a new and creative story. It has all our favourite characters in it. Hurrah! If you only notice the warts, you'll never see the hog! (I just made that up, so go ahead and tell me how stupid it is 😆)
Basic physics.. Mass is different in a zero-g environment. A bigger ship with bigger engines will be WAY faster than smaller ships. Even star wars gets this right.
Possible plot hole, anyone ? When the Enterprise hightails it after beaming Data & Picard back aboard, presumably they went as fast as they could - like, warp 9.9 for as long as possible, ASAP. How did the Scimitar catch up with them ?
See - people fail to realise that the Enterprise NEEDED the Scimitar to appear helpless. It had rapid fire photon torps, quantum torps and the most powerful phasers in Starfleet with a 360 degree angle. Plus Rapid replenishment shields, ablative hull armour AND the strongest hull at the time. Then you refit it to have EXTRA of pretty much everything. On top of that, they always had the best of Starfleet on the controls. The Remans had a Picard and every resource they had to build the Scimitar whilst the Sovereign class was mass produced. Do not think this was a weak Enterprise. This was an Enterprise that met her match for once (The Borg Cube didn't count lol). I loved this movie
at 05:26 min - 05:40 min the Enterprise E fired *** 9 *** quantum torpedos at the Scimitar. I didn't see any damage on the Scimitar. This ship is a beast !!!
I never understood the hate for this movie. Personally i think fans hung into the supposed drama or friction between the cast and director as means to hate in this. Its shot well, acting was good. Story was fine. The battle was FINALLY a battle! Fxs were excellent. So tell me why the hate? Star trek V gets less hate than this one. Id rathwr watch St X than Insurection 🤣
the thing I just didn't get about the whole movie: The Sovereign Class is supposed to be one of the fastest ships of starfleet, capable of Warp 9.985, which is even faster than the Intrepid (which has a maximum Warp Factor of 9.975). How the heck did such a massive, flying battlestation manage to catch up with one of the fastest ships in the Universe without the usage of Transwarp (not available to Romulans) or even Quantum Slipstream (also not available)? This just doesn't make sense...
Size doesn't matter in space. Speed in space is defined by the relativity between the size of the ship and the power of the engines. The ship can be any size, as long as the engines match the size then it can be just as fast as a smaller ship with the same ship size to engine power ratio.
@@christianriddler5063 in Star Trek science, it does, because you'd have to build a stable warp field bubble around said bigger ship. And as the limitations of warp fields are in place, it's just not possible.
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Thanks a lot, this is awesome!
Despite the low reputation of Star Trek: Nemesis, it did have an epic multi-tier battle. For one thing, the shields are actually important, and the Enterprise makes effort to keep its weakened segments pointing away from the Scimitar, and when the ventral shields collapse, that's when a boarding party is able to beam aboard and the fight becomes much more personal.
It was the last decent Trek they made. Every reboot since then has gone progressively worse.
@@davidknowles2491 you are wrong on that one but ok.
@@IchigoKurosakicool I mean, have you WATCHED Picard?
@@davidknowles2491 Beyond was amazing, Dis season 1 was meh, second season was aight, 3rd season was better.
Picard is trash, sure, but then there's lower decks too that's amazing.
@@IchigoKurosakicool Can't comment on Lower decks as I've not seen it yet. My only experience with Disco was season 1, so if 2 and 3 are any better I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I was mainly referring to Picard though, which as you say is trash, and dumps cow dung over the the legend that was Jean-Luc by turning him into a barely functioning wreck of a man.
52 disruptor banks, 27 photon torpedo bays, primary and secondary shields....
'She's a Black friday shopper"
hahahaah best answer on the Net!
Not the best of the series, but the ship-to-ship battle is fantastic. Brings back memories or Wrath of Khan.
Exactly that
Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country combined.
I don't care what anyone says - I love this movie. Plus the best space battle scene. If they released an extended cut with the deleted scenes reinserted, it would help a lot of the issues about which some complain.
That's nice to hear. I think it's good that some of these films get love. A lot of people like The Motion Picture, I'm a fan of The Final Frontier. I honestly hope there's someone out there whose favourite film is Insurrection. IDIC and all that.
It's not my favourite, but I've always oddly enjoyed this film too. Sure, it has flaws (the choice of director was a colossal screw-up), but I like it anyway. The space battle is a genuine pleasure to watch.
@@somebuddyX The Final Frontier was bonkers (and I speak as a natural Trekkie). The Undiscovered Country is my fave
Yes they shouldn’t have ever cut the character moments!
It's one of my favorites.
"The Romulans fought with honour" - Worf
I like this movie for its delving into mortality and purpose of one’s drive in life. Someone can be a beacon of hope, exploration, and love. While biologically the same person can be an instrument of terror, loathing, and death. Nice bonus is the Scimitar is such an amazingly badass ship. Picard says the Scimitar is “Predator”. Fitting that it can cloak, is a hunter/killer, and has advanced technology.
i always have to cry when Data shoots at the Thalaron Matrix but in 4K i had to cry more. Goodbye old Friend
Discard ruined his death though by bringing him back...
I think Nemesis would have performed better if Jonathan Frakes had been the director.
And if the writers hadn’t kicked continuity in the nuts.
The story was the issue,
@@Nine-Signs No, I don't think so. The story was simple, just a typical _gotta stop the bad guy_ kind of thing. The problem was how the story was told, and for that you gotta look to the director.
Shinzon literally did a “Top Gun” move “Full stop!!…Fire!!
Viceroy: Where did you you learn that, sir?
Shinzon: Saw it in a…what did they call them? A “Movie”.
They do have most of their weapons at the bow, and since stopping is much easier in a starship since rcs systems, it could be done
"Fire at will!"
The officers on the command deck then proceeded to kill Commander Riker.
As funny as the captain on the bridge saying "Kill the Engines!"
Still love the Enterprise E. was my favorite by far
And yet I fear we will never see her in season 3 of Star Trek Picard
Why the hell fans does not like this one is beyond me. Apart from Scimitar being way too OP, this is great. Way better than Insurrection.
Definitely a more tactical movie than the homey Insurrection
It was a terrible movie. Great concept and idea, but the execution was horrible. Troi gets telepathically r*ped, and Riker runs off after the guy in the middle of a fight. The bold move to ram the Enterprise into the enemy vessel. Over the top performances. It was the worst of the Star Trek movies.
@@dussan2 It's up there with The Final Frontier in regards to quality. That being said, the space battles were pretty damn good in this film.
@@dussan2 nice opinion but...no.
The worst of the ST films is a tie between Final Frontier and Insurrection. Nemesis is actually very enjoyable with some great visuals, action, and an interesting plot. It's certainly not without its flaws, but it's far from being the worst in the series.
RIP Ensign Ricky
If Mordor had reached the space age, the Scimitar is the ship the Nazgul would be flying.
Very funny and probably true lol
God, that’s horrifying to think about.
Seeing that beautiful Sovereign with her bow buried in the Scimitar still brings tears to my eyes.
The Soverign was an ugly ass excuse of a ship.
The E should've been a Galaxy Refit, not that ugly pos.
I actually think this is the best of the star trek movies (particularly considering the drivel that came after it). The deep philosophical question of nature vs nurture, and are our destinies pre determined by the circumstances of our birth, I think speaks so much for the core ethos of Trek and what its always been about. I think it acts as a great send off to the whole cast and crew as well. The other films don't do it in quite the same way for me, though I don't think they are bad by any means. Never quite understood why it always gets such a bad rep.
Agreed, massively underrated movie. I rewatch Nemesis more than any of the others, and that includes First Contact
YES! FINALLY, SOMEONE GET'S IT! Plus, it has the absolute best performances of all the films! Nemesis was not a cash grab. They truly put effort into every scene of this film! That's why it remains to be the best of the films. Its predecessor 'Insurrection' can burn in hell.
@@chrismantonuk I hope you watch Insurrection the absolute least.
oh my god, this is beautiful
"Medical teams to the bridge."
Delivered in the most understated manner possible.
I love the responsive LCARS panels when the helm is bringing the ship about.
Could you imagine being on one of the other ships in the fleet and suddenly warping in to help and see this? @8:15
Haha yeah. I guess they would be like "uuuh I guess we could try to tractor you out?"
Did Troy take the wheel again?@@ToothlessDragon536
Still hard to believe, for Star Trek, the Scimitar not only could take every quantum torpedo the Enterprise had in their arsenal, the entire phaser capacity, take out 2 other Romulan warships, all with just minimal damage to itself, and at that huge size, still be faster than fastest ship in Federation, the Enterprise, at full warp. Nice battle though
It because the scimitar using the banned Thalaron generator to power that ship.
Basically.. cheating
The speed issue is likely misleading. There is a difference in the maximum speed the ship can reach as opposed to the maximum warp it could maintain for long periods. The Scimitar only needed to catch up to the Enterprise in the Rift so it could have pushed its engines a bit harder knowing it didnt need to keep it up for too long and risk damaging them.
I do agree tho that the ship was way over powered in terms of weapons and shields.
Easilly the best space battle in Star Trek
It just shows how powerful and deadly quantum torpedoes are when it causes the scimatars interior to shake and the cloak collapses in a single volley.
Yeah if the Scimitar was decloaked the whole time I reckon the match would have been extremely close. They may still have beaten the E but would be severely damaged.
If they have Transphasic Torpedoes, the battle would end more quickly. One torpedo alone can destroy a Borg Cube without problems
@@mysteriousowen5205 it would have ended in one shot
@@ToothlessDragon536 What the hell are you guys talking about ?? After battlening two Valdore class warbirds and the Enterprise E the Scimitar shields were still at 70% ... and that was Shinzon doing his best NOT TO DESTROY the Enterprise. Keep in mind that Shinzon didn´t feel the need to use any torpedos, not even against the Romulan warbirds .... The Scimitar was the most powerful ship of both Alpha and Beta quadrants, carrying 5 times more firepower the a Sovereign class with with primary and secondary shields ... So cloak or no cloak the Enterprise E would have had absolutely no chance against the Scimitar.
The scimitar fired torpedoes during the entire battle..the green things she fired were torpedoes,the blueish disruptors@@blackmondayy1
I have to ask why the Scimitar’s computer is speaking in English/Human and not Romulan.
Because Shinzon is Human. Shinzon liberated the Remans from their Romulan oppressors, and they do what they can to honour him. Hence the ships OS and text is in Reman, but the ship speaks in English.
And before you say he'd speak Reman, he does, but remember his original purpose was to replace Picard as a spy/operative, so he already knew English before they scrapped that program and tossed him into the Mines on Remus
@@Shinzon23 None of that is true, it's because there's no such thing as Reman/Romulan languages, and even if there was the audience wouldn't understand it.
I’ve amazed the bridge emergency Shields kept going during and after the collision.
Life support trumps almost everything else
"Keep our bow on the Scimitar, auxiliary power to forward shields". Helm - "nah screw that, I'm coming about and showing them our aft with no shields".
Exactly! 😂
What did you expect them to do?
Start drifting?
@@spoons3816 Dude specific orders were given and straight up ignored...with a torpedo chasing their weakened aft shields as a result. watch the scene...
Lowering the speed?@@spoons3816
id love to get a copy of the entire film in this level of quality :)
Completely off topic, the thumbnail for this clip looks like Shinzon just got a whiff of something absolutely nasty.
I thought he was trying to squeeze out a log.
The scenes were legendary ♥️
This is both the best and the worst part of the movie. I love everything about this battle except for one thing: The Scimitar remained almost completely undamaged after taking multiple quantum torpedoes. It's an example of how inconsistent weapons work in Star Trek. In First Contact they blew Borg Sphere's apart like dust. In DS9 you apparently needed to use more to kill a smaller Dominion ship. In the end, I always thought that these were some of the nastiest torpedoes out there and getting hit by one was bad news. Not here. Yes they see sparks, but I want to see hull damage. If they launch their Quantum Torpedo payload into this ship I want more than a bunch of shield impacts. It loses a bit of something if the Enterprise can't even breach their shield grid and force them to reroute power or anything with their most powerful weapon. It doesn't make the Scimitar seem "menacing", it makes it seem like a plot point.
Anyway, outside of that it's a great fight. It could have been solved with more hull damage to the Scimitar and them needing to do more emergency measures to keep flying.
Live long and prosper!
Agreed. It would have worked better had the Scimitar been meaningfully wounded in the fight and while taking a "breather" to make some hasty repairs the Enterprise rams it somewhere near the engines. That would justify Shinzon not simply leaving the fight and taking his doom weapon to Earth. Instead, the best space battle in Star Trek movie history ends with the bad guy stupidly throwing away his overwhelming victory because he wants to stare down his defeated opponent (even though they can't see each other) and then apparently can't escape because being rammed in the docking bay somehow knocks out all engine power, or something. Honestly, it's a good example of how all over the place this movie was - great moments and lousy ones tossed together in a way that is unsatisfying.
@@matth.2916 Data dying was a Spock ST2 moment that took a hell of a lot longer to rectify by bringing Data back for the last season of Picard. Nemesis was maddening because it had the ingredients to make an excellent TNG movie but inexplicable changes turned it into a boring 2 hour episode. It's like none of the recent Trek movie directors had watched The Wrath of Khan.
I think there should have been more damage to the bridge area of the enterprise in her close up before ramming the Scimitar. But that's just me. Still epic Star Trek.
Yeah I thought so too.
Picard: Tactical analysis Mr Worf
Worf: It is a Mary Sue class vessel sir....
Picard: Crap...
Underrated movie.
People wouldn't hate on this movie so hard if they knew how hard they worked on the battle scene. nice upgrade.
Always found it odd the enemy ship could catch up with the Enterprise E, thought it would have been bouncing of the warp 9.99 rev limiter!
And the scimitar being so big and war focused, I don’t see it catching up
On star fleet record, The Scimitar was the most advanced dreadnought that the Federation ever encountered. And yes, an advanced dreadnought is trans-warp capable just like the U.S.S. Vengeance.
@@mr.metamovies2419 and somehow a bunch of remans built it hiding on a moon or something...
@@cantdestroyher7245 They would've had a cloaked base either on Remus or an asteroid belt. Considering Remans were used as a slave class, they probably would've been the ones to construct fleets for their overlords.
The Enterprise E is such a beauty
Not as much as the classic D model.
The scimitar is such a beautiful ship
The E was the Ugliest of all the first six enterprise ships.
How anyone can find Beauty in that ugly ass design of the sovereign...
See this is why Star Trek is a million times better than that star wars nonsense
If only the new Star Trek movies would have had this style of space battle instead of the JJ Abrahams ADHD style of non-stop explosions, incessant camera zooming and screen shaking headache material
4:10 when something falls off someone’s vehicle on the highway and effs up your ish
In space backing up wouldn't separate the ships. there is no friction to keep the enterprise from just backing up with them
How long did it take to render this and what graphics card did you use?
One thing I will give this film, is that in the space battle you know exactly what is going on and who is firing at who. In DIS and PIC the space battles are supremely muddy and visually confused.
Beautiful highly time-consuming work, thank you! I definitely prefer roughly 24fps as so many of us have grown up with that looking more "cinematic." I was excited to see the 48fps of The Hobbit in theaters but it made all non-CGI live-action scenes feel like 30fps home videos, soap operas, live television, and now many youtube videos which have no interest/advantage in looking more like a film for theaters. Even though it's said we can't perceive past 60fps that's pretty much been proven wrong by 120fps/Hz video gaming on 120 monitors, hasn't it? So, I'd love to at least check out what a theatrical film or short film with CGI scenes all filmed and rendered with 120fps as the standard throughout. Would it feel REALLY real? Or even MORE like home video? We're just so dang used to 24fps/48th sec exposure (aka 180 degrees shutter angle for pros) for movies. Not to mention anamorphic lenses and each series' unique "undesired" qualities which make them look less sterile and hyper-sharp (unlike phone cameras default settings, most modern camera lenses) - so then the anamorphic lenses and softer lenses look more realistic to us since they look like most of the classics we've seen a hundred times. I wondered why the film "Keanu" with Key and Peele looked kinda like cheap garbage $35 c-mount lenses all around the edges but still anamorphic (oval bokeh, vertical breathing, etc) - they used NEW expensive anamorphic lenses DESIGNED to look like RETRO anamorphics! haha Boy I'd love those. Anyway, thanks for reading my cool story/rant lol. Thanks again for your work on these upscales on movies I love! Trying to do this with open source on google colab notebooks would be incredibly expensive in member fees I think.
I really did enjoy this movie too
1. The Wrath of Khan
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. First Contact
4. The Voyage Home
5. Star Trek 2009
6. Beyond
7. Search for Spock
8. The Motion Picture
9. Generations
10. Into Darkness
11. Nemesis
12. Insurrection
13. The Final Frontier
I'd put The Undiscovered Country at the top, such a great movie. 🙂
1. Wrath of Khan
2. Search for Spock
3. The Voyage Home
4. The Final Frontier
5. The Undiscovered Country
6. Star Trek (2009)
7. First Contact
8. Beyond
9. The Motion Picture
10. Generations
11. Insurrection
12. Nemesis
13. Into Darkness
00:05:27 USS Enterprise-E Fires Quantum Torpedoes at Cloaked Scimitar
Now just imagine, if while the Enterprise was still locked face first with the Scimitar, they just started unloading quantum torpedoes one right after the other.
Yes, lets fire high yield warheads at point blank range... that makes sense
@@navyrayne It really does when the possible alternative is "Earth dies".
At that point I'd be surprised if the quantum torpedo launchers even worked.
The quantum torpedo launchers are near the centre of the saucer section I’m pretty sure, I don’t think damage from the tactical ram went that far back.
@@tongieboi yes they are centerish. However that doesn't mean they were even online with all the damage they had taken at that point.
Good battle scenes for a poorly written movie.
I'm here just to comment on the face in the thumbnail
The movie definitely has the best battle scene in Star Trek.
THE BEST TNG STAR TREK FILM!
I just realized how dumb the part is where the scimitar backs away from the enterprise. Lol the enterprise wasn’t anchored in space. Once the hulls were impacted shouldn’t the scimitars engines dragged the enterprise with it???
Inertia dampeners are what keep the ship in place
@@TheRedstoneScout no. Lol inertial dampers keep people inside the ship from flying around when the ship moves around or it’s hit with weapons fire. Nothing holds the ship in place except for engines and thrusters bringing it to a full stop. The physics are just completely ignored in that scene.
@@superhayes256 there is a difference between inertia and inertial. Inertia dampeners, while never fully mentioned in the Trek use thrusters and other propulsion to maintain positioning and allow the the ship to slow down/turn without manual input from the helmsman to fire thrusters. That would be very very tedious with a ship that size.
@@TheRedstoneScout not a thing. Lol they were not using thrusters or impulse to hold their position. The ship was basically dead in the water. Picard didn’t want the ships to become separated. He wanted to destroy or cripple the scimitar. None of what you’re saying makes what I mention in the original comment make sense.
It depends, but I would say probably not. The Enterprise masses several million tons, and while there's nothing anchoring it in place, that's a lot of inertia that has to be overcome in order to get it moving. While the friction between both ships would provide a great deal of resistance, there are still no structural components designed to withstand the force of a starship's engines connecting them. Since motion is relative in space, it's entirely possible that Enterprise WAS being pulled along with Scimitar for the most part, but the amount of force being applied by Scimitar's engines was simply greater than the resistance that could be applied by the friction of the two ships stuck together.
funniest part about this movie was the enterprise E could take like thousands of hits at will, it can run straight into another ship and another ship can explode what looks like a few thousands meters from it with no shields and its fine? Pretty amazing plot armor.
This film did the D'deridex dirty.
REAL dirty.
Enterprise, we are Reman Warbird Bad F-ing Bitch. Sending transport coordinates.
With all the CGI under their belt and they still can't match this battle. :)) This didn't have the best plot but still managed to make a better Star Trek than anything post the Star destroyer brought with his flare infested maggoty movies.
I absolutely adored the dreadnought warbird so much I just had to grab it in STO
Might have been nice if Wesley had been going to wedding too and was at the helm in these scenes - even tho I know so many hated him.
私は「TNG」の最初の放送からのファンです。
で、です。
私は最初の船体「Ｄ」の大ファンなのですが、この映画化された「Ｅ」はあまりカッコ良いと思えないのです。
「Ｄ」より戦闘的にしたというコンセプトは判るのですが、「Ｅ」は好きじゃないのです。デザインもあまり好きじゃないし。
52 disruptor banks.... only uses 2 at a time. It's the Russian federation doctrine I see.
Probably trying not to destroy the enterprise, but it could have opened up on the Romulans, that would have been like cutting through tinfoil.
Still thé best Star Trek CGI up to date.
"Fire at Will... no, not at Number One."
Awesome Battle, the best battle of movie.
I don't know if the enterprise weapons were offline but I would have been shooting the moment I was able.
Still up there.
My favourite Star Trek battle
I get that this dreadnought has more firepower, but it makes no sense to me, that it's faster than the Federations flagship.
Beautiful, thank you :)
I really don't get people's hatred of this movies. Ok, there are some flaws, but they did a good job overall and tried a new and creative story. It has all our favourite characters in it. Hurrah!
If you only notice the warts, you'll never see the hog! (I just made that up, so go ahead and tell me how stupid it is 😆)
The CGI in this movie is brilliant. Much more realistic than in the current Trek shows.
I loved this movie.
Who knew it would be 21 years until we we would hear Picard's next on-screen log entry (Picard S3E4).
At 4:17 that model if the Enterprise on the console is based on the original concept from Furst Contact. A easter egg for everyone to see.
That's a hell of a thumbnail.
I find it hard to believe a ship that big using that much power can still cloak, fire, and outrun the fastest ship in the Federation.
It because the scimitar using the banned Thalaron generator to power that ship.
Basically.. cheating
Basic physics.. Mass is different in a zero-g environment. A bigger ship with bigger engines will be WAY faster than smaller ships. Even star wars gets this right.
@@christianriddler5063 'Basic Physics' did not include lessons on warp drive and FTL inertia as far as I can remember 🤣🤣🤣
@@Anguilla2001 They are possible, we just don't have the means or the technology to take it from paper to functional model.
@@christianriddler5063 I prefer taking it from a functional model to paper, as in origami.
Possible plot hole, anyone ? When the Enterprise hightails it after beaming Data & Picard back aboard, presumably they went as fast as they could - like, warp 9.9 for as long as possible, ASAP. How did the Scimitar catch up with them ?
I ❤️ Data
The Scimitar can fire while cloaked... okay... but remind me how it has shields while cloaked, when those two things have always been incompatible.
Nice job!
The last Trek movie with a soundtrack produced by Jerry Goldsmith. It’s as much a character in these movies as the Enterprise herself ❤
Ensign : Captain, you're route takes us through an area of space where we won't be able to communicate with the fleet.
Picard : Shut up Wesley !
See - people fail to realise that the Enterprise NEEDED the Scimitar to appear helpless. It had rapid fire photon torps, quantum torps and the most powerful phasers in Starfleet with a 360 degree angle. Plus Rapid replenishment shields, ablative hull armour AND the strongest hull at the time. Then you refit it to have EXTRA of pretty much everything. On top of that, they always had the best of Starfleet on the controls.
The Remans had a Picard and every resource they had to build the Scimitar whilst the Sovereign class was mass produced. Do not think this was a weak Enterprise. This was an Enterprise that met her match for once (The Borg Cube didn't count lol).
I loved this movie
at 05:26 min - 05:40 min the Enterprise E fired *** 9 *** quantum torpedos at the Scimitar. I didn't see any damage on the Scimitar. This ship is a beast !!!
come on Liam, that was pretty fkn epic gotta admit.
after firing 9 quantum torpedoes why did the enterprise turn and run? no aft firing quantums. she should have unloaded all the quantums right then!
I like how when the helmsman died Diana is like "Never should have learned to fly....my turn I guess"
The last of the real Star Trek movies. At least for me. Everything after it was just an action movie
It would have been beautiful to see the the Sovereigns in action during the DS9 Dominion War.
In all fairness there is no way the scimitar should of been able to keep up with the E at maximum warp
the Enterprise E earned her keep here...she faced a more powerful foe and showed she durable enough to take a beating
toally not doing this to BATMAN music.
Damfkit !I need more of Enterprise E movies with Picard
7:18 sounds a hell of a lot like the alien fighters from independence day.
Rest in pieces Data
I never understood the hate for this movie. Personally i think fans hung into the supposed drama or friction between the cast and director as means to hate in this. Its shot well, acting was good. Story was fine. The battle was FINALLY a battle! Fxs were excellent. So tell me why the hate? Star trek V gets less hate than this one. Id rathwr watch St X than Insurection 🤣
Because data died like this
Thank god they had the slowest weapon in history
2:28 Maybe Kirk should have tried that in Star trek 6
If the Enterprise A had phaser arrays that spanned the entire saucer, which th Federation should've thought of during the 23rd century
THE WORST TORPEDO LAUNCHER ON TARGET I AM SEEING
Scimitar vs shrike? Any takers???
Hay star trek into darkness star trek nemesis
the thing I just didn't get about the whole movie: The Sovereign Class is supposed to be one of the fastest ships of starfleet, capable of Warp 9.985, which is even faster than the Intrepid (which has a maximum Warp Factor of 9.975). How the heck did such a massive, flying battlestation manage to catch up with one of the fastest ships in the Universe without the usage of Transwarp (not available to Romulans) or even Quantum Slipstream (also not available)? This just doesn't make sense...
Maybe the Nebula slowed it down?
Size doesn't matter in space. Speed in space is defined by the relativity between the size of the ship and the power of the engines. The ship can be any size, as long as the engines match the size then it can be just as fast as a smaller ship with the same ship size to engine power ratio.
@@christianriddler5063 in Star Trek science, it does, because you'd have to build a stable warp field bubble around said bigger ship.
And as the limitations of warp fields are in place, it's just not possible.
@@gajustempus Borg Cubes have no problem going at maximum warp. Neither does the Dominion dreadnoughts. And that is without transwarp.
@@christianriddler5063 A Borg Tactical Cube has a maximum Warp factor of 9.6
Sovereign is at 9.99