How Many Enterprise E's to defeat the Scimitar? - Star Trek Starship Battles Nemesis

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  • @ThatMetalheadMan
    @ThatMetalheadMan 8 місяців тому +50

    Has a battle between the Scimitar and a full-on Jem Hadar battleship ever been done? I think both are in the same weight class, so to speak.

    • @lahummer5759
      @lahummer5759 8 місяців тому +3

      Or a small Dominion fleet.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому +15

      I'll look into this, sounds like a great idea 🖖

    • @Sovereign01
      @Sovereign01 8 місяців тому +3

      According to fan theories the Scimitar started off as a Dominion design that the Remans modified into a platform for their Thalaron weapon.

    • @jasonwestwood7092
      @jasonwestwood7092 8 місяців тому

      The Scimitar would easily prevail you would need 3.

    • @Sovereign01
      @Sovereign01 8 місяців тому +1

      @@jasonwestwood7092 He means the same class of battleship that curb-stomped the Valiant.

  • @geofftottenperthcoys9944
    @geofftottenperthcoys9944 8 місяців тому +29

    I must be one of the few people who did not mind Nemesis!

    • @jeffcullifer5629
      @jeffcullifer5629 5 місяців тому +3

      I enjoyed it too.

    • @Nimmermaer
      @Nimmermaer Місяць тому +1

      Oh, it could have been a good movie. The battle scenes were certainly very enjoyable.

  • @MisterMarin
    @MisterMarin 8 місяців тому +18

    Q: What did Picard say when Shinzon asked him to name his ship's biggest weakness?
    A: Insufficient Data.
    [ba dum tss 🥁]

  • @jc441-i3q
    @jc441-i3q 2 місяці тому

    2:51 What I loved about the Mutara Nebula battle in the Wrath of Khan is that the slow movement of the ships gave the battle an epic sense of scale, like an actual naval battle between two lumbering battleships instead of the aerial "dogfight" feel of the newer Trek combat scenes. Not that I dislike the later battle scenes though- the ones in Deep Space Nine were amazing.

  • @bradarthur3603
    @bradarthur3603 8 місяців тому +9

    The Scimitar looks so much like those big Dominion battleships. You have to wonder if Baby Picard borrowed some tech or ideas from a disabled Dominion ship during the war?

  • @stevelapierre4776
    @stevelapierre4776 8 місяців тому +4

    😨Admiral.. wow. jeepers, that Scimitar looked just like the movie and unreal the power.. and remember when was right above the Ent E at warp under cloak.. that was scary.. jeepers.. Yes Shinzon needed Picard blood.. so didn't want to destroy the ship.. that helped, eeh. and wonder what would happen if you in the Scimitar cloaked and was firing would that change things.. hmm this was a wicked battle for sure Admiral. eeh.. well done both battles .. !!😊🖖

  • @luckybadgerapples
    @luckybadgerapples 8 місяців тому +7

    I would like to see 3 or 4 Connie Refit Refit vessels fight the Scimitar to see how they would perform in comparison.

  • @luckybadgerapples
    @luckybadgerapples 8 місяців тому +7

    Imagine the Dark Timeline version of the Scimitar!

  • @deepdivedylan
    @deepdivedylan 8 місяців тому +4

    2:52 I know Nemesis isn't very popular. They didn't have the right plot twists. The plot really needed to go HARD TO PORT and it didn't.

  • @HacksignKT
    @HacksignKT 8 місяців тому +8

    Scimitar vs General Picards ship?

  • @XHunter442
    @XHunter442 8 місяців тому +1

    amazing video.... took less then i thought lol that Remen ship is TOOO OP! Ty for the video and LLAP!

  • @mobeasley8577
    @mobeasley8577 8 місяців тому +2

    I predicted it would take a minimum of 4 Sovereigns. Nice battle 👍

    • @Euripides_Panz
      @Euripides_Panz 8 місяців тому +1

      Pretty sure the 3v1 was won but the commander got himself targeted and blown before the third ship helped secure the win.

  • @taw1967
    @taw1967 8 місяців тому +4

    No way would Star Fleet willingly engage in a straight up fight against something like the Scimitar with anything less than a fully fleshed out battle group.

  • @getothechoppa114
    @getothechoppa114 8 місяців тому +1

    That was wicked! Been looking forward to this scenario 🖖
    And I agree retro, wrath of khan battle was the coolest. Vadic and the titan in picard used some of that vibe and I loved it🖖

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому

      Thanks! Totally. Vadic was a brilliant villain. I wouldn't expect any less from General Changs daughter 😉

    • @getothechoppa114
      @getothechoppa114 8 місяців тому

      @@RetroBadgerGaming 😅 100 percent captain

  • @NobleCarbon
    @NobleCarbon 8 місяців тому +1

    From what we see in the collision scene from Nemesis, it looked to me as the Scimitar had better shields and weaponry but the Enterprise-E had stronger armor/hull (or its front-facing scorpion shuttle bay had weak armor compared to the "blade" edge of a saucer section)

  • @Rick79LUFC
    @Rick79LUFC 8 місяців тому +1

    Nice battle and 4 to 1 ratio I'd agree was about right.....rest as all ways RB 👍

  • @CC-mp1wk
    @CC-mp1wk 8 місяців тому +2

    Might just be me, but I really felt like a straight fight between the Enterprise and Scimitar would be a lot closer than people think.
    The volley of quantums did quite a bit of damage. Look at how long the Enterprise lasted in that fight, now imagine how many volleys of quantums she could have fired in that time. I don’t know, I feel like this is a tough victory for the Scimitar 1v1

    • @stewartbaker4498
      @stewartbaker4498 4 місяці тому

      Agreed. Even playing field i think the enterprise was as much as a threat to the scimitar as the scimitar was to it.

  • @SlabBulkhead166
    @SlabBulkhead166 8 місяців тому +4

    How about how many Scimitar's can the Enterprise-G take on?

  • @Arondeight
    @Arondeight 8 місяців тому +1

    0:40 oh don't even, that was at Picard's command.

  • @ArmandoCenturus
    @ArmandoCenturus 8 місяців тому +1

    Incredible battle!!

  • @frankmorales643
    @frankmorales643 5 місяців тому +1

    How about a species 8472 vs the doomsday machine battle.

  • @loklokoppa9255
    @loklokoppa9255 4 місяці тому

    I’d love to see the kobiyashi maru scimitar take on 4 of anything. Cloak while firing? Deadly. Let’s add General Chang’s bird of prey while we’re at it 😊

  • @mdmyer
    @mdmyer 8 місяців тому +3

    Scimitar vs World Razer?

  • @sharonec5419
    @sharonec5419 6 місяців тому

    Hace you had any fights with a Vidian battle cruiser yet? Would love to see a Soverign go up against one of them.

  • @retluoc
    @retluoc 8 місяців тому

    Good one, I didn't think of that. How many... I would guess at least three without cheating by ramming them and losing a sentient android. 😄 The Scimitar had amazing regenerative shields. Even after the pounding it took from the E and those other two Romulan ships, it still had 70% shields.
    Edit: I thought you had him! So close with 3... I'm sure that the third one would have finished him.
    But he (Picard's voice) wanted to look you in the eye. 😆
    Oh, and I agree... the Wrath of Khan battle was much better.
    I still don't know which one I like more... that one or First Contact... why not both.

  • @rmoore6471
    @rmoore6471 8 місяців тому +2

    Scimitar hands down... Its a heavy-weight compared to the Sovereign.. Lets see 2 Oddessey classes next video.

  • @EvilXero359
    @EvilXero359 8 місяців тому

    I'm watching this and listening to some of the more wicked bgms from MWiii and it sounds awesome

  • @tundatime
    @tundatime 6 місяців тому

    Can you do Scimitar vs the fleet that enterprise was supposed to meet up with? Ive always wondered how the battle would have changed with a starfleet task force behind the E.

  • @simonpreston
    @simonpreston 8 місяців тому

    Have you done the battle as it would have been, if they'd manage to rendezvous with the fleet, yet? That'd be an interesting one. You can probably find the ships on memory alpha or somewhere like that. I remember the USS Galaxy was one of them. And that would have been the Galaxy post Dominion War.
    Something also worth mention about taking out the warp drive: it left the Enterprise HUGELY underpowered, forced to run off the batteries.

  • @skyserf
    @skyserf 8 місяців тому +1

    0:30 On a 2D map 😏

  • @kellyevans3254
    @kellyevans3254 8 місяців тому +2

    The question of how many sovereigns it would take to win against the scimitar depends on the win condition. If you just need the scimitar destroyed, 2 of them could pull it off if one sovereign rams and detonates the warp core and the other will be destroyed in combat. If you want the scimitar destroyed without losing a single sovereign you probably need about 5 sovereigns. And if you want the scimitar destroyed without losing a single man then you will probably need 6-10.

  • @JaredLS10
    @JaredLS10 8 місяців тому +1

    You should try 3 Sovereigns vs Scimitar while in a cloaked ship to observe.

  • @BazT47
    @BazT47 8 місяців тому +1

    How about the battle vs the Scimitar if the fleet had joined the Enterprise?! Also did you do that request for the Battle of Wolf 359 and would exploding a warp core on the Borg cube slow it down and help the fleet destroy it?

  • @TrentonBennett
    @TrentonBennett 8 місяців тому

    I was surprised the computer struggled with 4 Sovereign classes. Yet the human factor didn’t have a problem.
    I agree the battle between the Scimitar and the E-E was awesome. Especially Counselor Troi using her abilities to find them while cloaked.
    I definitely agree the BEST battle would be from The Wrath Of Khan. From the first surprise attack to the battle in the Mutara Nebula.
    I’ve read a post recently that Kirk would NOT have taken that long to raise shields. Well that person forgot he was at Starfleet Command for so long thus wss rusty when it comes to commanding a starship. Hell he tried to get Spock to take command. Spock was all, “No Jim YOU need to take command.”
    Kirk was pretty much afraid he’d mess up and in a way he did.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому

      That's a very good point. Kirk was definitely Rusty in Wrath of Khan. I'm pretty sure he alluded to this after the attack. Lieutenant Saavik certainly learned a lot that day! She also gained respect from Starfleets most famous crew! 🖖

  • @PhilipSoltwedel
    @PhilipSoltwedel 8 місяців тому

    It almost always comes down to your piloting if the matches are close. I wonder how the Scimitar would do against a Jem'Hadar battleship? 2 OP ships slugging it out

  • @draconiangaming4856
    @draconiangaming4856 8 місяців тому

    The nemesis battle was really good but i enjoyed the undiscovered country battle

  • @cosmeticscameo8277
    @cosmeticscameo8277 8 місяців тому +1

    this thing is so ridiculously powerful im not even sure if the Enterprise-F stands a chance.

  • @angellight495
    @angellight495 8 місяців тому

    Have you considered doing the Scimitar vs the E and the task force listed in Nemesis?

  • @robbcowan1936
    @robbcowan1936 8 місяців тому +1

    How many Enterprise-Es would it take to destroy the Scimitar when you're in the Scimitar?

  • @Adarkane325xi
    @Adarkane325xi 8 місяців тому

    Well-fought, good battles all around. My issue is with the Scimitar itself. It’s essentially a God Mode cop-out plot-device. Data deduced that Shinzon was “reasonably young and a *competent commander”* - what tactics are used with a God Mode ship? It’s the kind of ship a kid would come up with.

  • @stephandolby
    @stephandolby 8 місяців тому +1

    I never understood how the Scimitar managed to catch the Enterprise, let alone bring her out of warp.

    • @bigfootape
      @bigfootape 8 місяців тому +2

      They diverted power from the plot to the warp drive.

  • @darioworrell3968
    @darioworrell3968 8 місяців тому +1

    Of all the movie battles im partial to two of them, the insurrection battle and Nemesis. they really took advantage of the 3D battle aspect. Wrath of Khan while epic was to slow paced for me.

  • @Sovereign01
    @Sovereign01 8 місяців тому

    The Quantum Torpedoes did disable the cloak 😁 Despite Geordi's claims Shinzon didn't disable the warp drive with his first shot, it took a couple of dozen to do that. What it also did was take the warp core offline which deprived the Enterprise of its largest power source.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому

      Ooooh yes, I totally forgot about that! Aaaah, also about the warp drive your right! Wow, imagine if the warp drive hadn't been disabled. I'm assuming the shields and phasers would have been much stronger 🖖

  • @RyeBoulanger
    @RyeBoulanger 8 місяців тому +1

    Full axis rotation to port!

  • @Forge17
    @Forge17 8 місяців тому

    The AI Scimitar suffers from not maneuvering early on, allowing the fleet to hammer its forward shields early on

  • @ondank
    @ondank 6 місяців тому

    The problem with Nemesis is that they already made their TNG version of Nemesis. Wrath of Khan is about an older, less idealistic, more damaged Kirk, facing down against a dangerous adversary from his past who has had a lifetime to plot vengeance.
    For Picard, that's the Borg, not some random guy from Remus we never heard of before.

  • @lrecollet
    @lrecollet 6 місяців тому

    This Romulen ship against the Voyager with it Armour and transphasic torpedoes

  • @src6339
    @src6339 8 днів тому

    Yes, but could the scimitar stop the borg assimaltion fleet from the voyager episode "scorpian part 1"? 🤔

  • @LowellOda
    @LowellOda 8 місяців тому +1

    i would recommend uss vengeance vs the scimitar

  • @jpkpalms7421
    @jpkpalms7421 8 місяців тому

    How many valdore warbirds would it take.

  • @anthonyoneill7946
    @anthonyoneill7946 8 місяців тому +1

    Tro crashing the ship was on the captain orders so don’t think that would count in her ship crashing

  • @TheTransporter007
    @TheTransporter007 8 місяців тому

    Troi piloted the Enterprise twice, and crashed it twice. The first time Galaxy-D in Generations, and of course the Soverign-E in Nemesis.
    I guess she made up for in in Picard S3.

  • @mariolawrence897
    @mariolawrence897 2 місяці тому

    No subsystem targeting?

  • @Renserin
    @Renserin 5 місяців тому

    *Chuckles* The TNG version of how many licks does it take.

  • @sharonec5419
    @sharonec5419 6 місяців тому

    I would say 2 Sovereign class Starships with two very skillfull and tactically minded Captains could kick the Schimiters arse but it would be hard. 3 should have done it. 4 definitely should.
    Do try doing it with 3 shios again. Its posdible. Just have to make sure none if them get destroyed or severly damaged.

  • @mobeasley8577
    @mobeasley8577 8 місяців тому

    Now do the same battle vs the Enterprise D. I think that 6 Galaxy's could do it but it's a little iffy to me.

  • @UncommonKnowledge587
    @UncommonKnowledge587 8 місяців тому

    Looks like the Enterprise E needed more Sovereign class ships, instead of the Romulan ships that turned up 🖖

  • @owendodgson-jones104
    @owendodgson-jones104 8 місяців тому

    What if the enterprise had gotten a message to the fleet waiting for them, and they came and joined the fight.

  • @mobeasley8577
    @mobeasley8577 8 місяців тому

    If it takes 4 Sovereigns then I think 2 Borg Galaxy Classes could defeat the Scimitar.
    Also try the Kyoto vs the Borg Defiant

  • @mrfly8133
    @mrfly8133 3 місяці тому

    I think you could've won with 3 if you'd just keep your good shield to your opponent. I often see you lean your weak side to them just for them to pummel you out of existence. That and ensure everyone has extreme AI on, otherwise it's not balanced.

  • @MAZE4
    @MAZE4 8 місяців тому +1

    Two D'deridex class Warbirds should have been portraid in nemesis.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому

      That would have been way cooler and made the battle much more iconic. I was very disappointed with the Valdore type ships 🖖

  • @darrensmith6999
    @darrensmith6999 8 місяців тому

    Scimitar V Borg Cube??

  • @angryretailbanker5103
    @angryretailbanker5103 10 днів тому

    I hate that Bridge Commander ends the game if your ship gets destroyed rather than at least allow you to watch the battle play out. Because I think that third Sovereign may have been able to beat the Scimitar. But because your Sovereign got destroyed, that’s it.

  • @haloboy456
    @haloboy456 Місяць тому

    Akira vs Nebula, but BC Orion, Coyotte's Akira, Torpedo Module Nebula

  • @bigfootape
    @bigfootape 8 місяців тому +1

    You did have a full ventral shield. Just sayin.

  • @jacobfoster9185
    @jacobfoster9185 8 місяців тому

    Why isn't it deploying all of it's fighters

  • @Mikerille
    @Mikerille 16 днів тому

    Id say four to beat a scimitar, assuming they fire at the same time

  • @MMediaP
    @MMediaP 8 місяців тому

    Hmmm...Two Scimitars vs let's say..a mix of sovereign, defiant, intrepid refit equipped w/ quantums, Akira & maybe prometheus class ships.
    The game might crash but that'd be an interesting battle

  • @77zarick
    @77zarick 8 місяців тому

    In nemesis shizons Shields never fell below 70% primary and secondary Shields basically high capacity regenerative shields

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому

      WOW! That is impressive. Thanks for the info 🖖

    • @77zarick
      @77zarick 8 місяців тому

      @@RetroBadgerGaming that's what what i remember from the movie nemesis

  • @davidmccracken4308
    @davidmccracken4308 2 місяці тому

    Put the dark timeline Voyager against 8472 planet killer

  • @tmptjohn88
    @tmptjohn88 8 місяців тому +1

    Scimitar vs excelsior 2

  • @Warsheep2k6
    @Warsheep2k6 8 місяців тому

    ther problem with the scimitar wasnt its firepower the enterprise was far more manouverable the problem was the active cloak that let it fire while cloaked

  • @KallenSC
    @KallenSC 6 місяців тому

    Actually you would win with only 3 Soveregin ....Scimitar was very heavy damage ....

  • @ilejovcevski79
    @ilejovcevski79 Місяць тому

    It's hard for me to consider Shinzon as a serious threat, at least from a tactical perspective. I think it's mostly due to the nature of the ship his on. It's easy to appear smart when you just beat someone to a pulp without consequences. On the other hand, when i look back on the Wrath of Khan, there was nothing special about the Reliant. And still it gave both Kirk and the Enterprise a run for their money. Now that's a proper villain. An emo kid in a god ship? Nah, i'll skip it...
    P.S. nothing against the actor here, he gave his best and did a great job with what he was given. It's just the writing that was bad.

  • @Phil-D83
    @Phil-D83 8 місяців тому

    Upgraded quantums wouls help

  • @mcgoogle4812
    @mcgoogle4812 8 місяців тому

    4

  • @Alyeska23
    @Alyeska23 8 місяців тому

    My head canon for the Scimitar has always been that it was a War-Prize Dominion battleship or dreadnaught acquired by the Remans and modified with Romulan technology. Not the battleship from Valiant, but some other model. There are too many design and style similarities between the two.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому

      You can certainly see something in the design. That makes a lot of sense!

  • @AJUniverse
    @AJUniverse 8 місяців тому

    It takes one (1) Enterprise-E to defeat the Scimitar. They actually made a whole (not very good) movies about it.

  • @jetnova16
    @jetnova16 8 місяців тому +1

    The USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E DIDN’T have Quantum Torpedoes in Star Trek: Nemesis at all, they only had and used Photon Torpedoes. Here’s the dialogue that proves it:
    1. “PICARD: Mister Worf, prepare a full phaser spread, zero elevation. All banks on my mark. Scan for shield impacts. Stand by photon torpedoes.”
    2. “DATA: We've exhausted our complement of photon torpedoes. Phaser banks are down to four percent, sir.”

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  8 місяців тому

      @jetnova16 What about the scene with Deanna when she used her Betazoid abilities to find the cloaked Scimitar. The Enterprise 100% fired Quantum Torpedoes! Here's the scene: ua-cam.com/video/DHUSpAtemfg/v-deo.htmlsi=JJMekSc_46T37cQt&t=98

    • @jetnova16
      @jetnova16 8 місяців тому

      @@RetroBadgerGaming those are photon torpedoes actually! The script and dialogue states it!
      Direct proof: [Enterprise-E bridge]
      (Troi's hand is on Worf's as they use the photon torpedo targeting display to beam her thoughts to the Scimitar)
      TROI: He's resisting me.
      [Scimitar bridge]
      VICEROY: No!
      [Enterprise-E bridge]
      TROI: Remember ...me? ...Now!
      (Worf instantly fires a full volley of photon torpedoes)
      PICARD: Fire at will!
      ******
      In fact the exhaustion of Photon Torpedoes dialogue happens far after that scene thus further proving that they are ONLY armed with Photon Torpedoes and not a single Quantum Torpedo! You can’t ever trust the visuals whatsoever you have to go by the VERY IMPORTANT DIALOGUE and COMPREHEND it!
      ******
      Thus the evidence 100% proves that you are WRONG and that you don’t know your torpedoes whatsoever either in Star Trek!