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Where Eagles Dare: Cadillac CTS-V Coupe vs Audi RS 5 vs BMW
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2010
- We parachute Cadillac's new CTS-V Coupe deep into German territory to battle it out with two of Germany's finest performance coupes, the Audi RS 5 and BMW M3.
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Shot by: Duane Sempson
Edited by: Duane Sempson
he made amazingly exciting cars unbelievably boring
I have driven all three (Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW), when it comes to performance and quality, Cadillac is for me!
I am on my 7th. Cadillac. I'm buying a new one soon!
Complaining about the transmission makes it last place? Get the fucking manual version than.
Jesus it seems like "If the car doesn't have flappy paddles than it's not good, it's behind, it's old technology." I like manuals better! There is a feeling that makes it feel like YOU are in control. Not some technology robot saying "O K You Are Switching Gears."
um you do know that f1 racing which is the highest level of racing on earth uses paddle/electronic shifting. just saying
sterling stegall
You are correct, but what is your point? F1 car's are in a completely different league than any road car.
I stick by my word, A manual gives an enjoyable feeling that you ARE the car, paddles don't have that effect.
Agreed. Every car I have ever owned is manual. I do believe that paddle shifting if the future. You get the same effect at a cheaper cost
By far the best review you guys have ever produced. Have this guy do the rest of your reviews please :)
CTS-V comes in wagon form and with a manual transmission. What more needs to be said?
So does the M3 and RS4.
SIMcityplayer2002 Not in the US they don't. But I think what he was referring to was the fact that the CTS-V outperformed both the other two cars here, but then came in last for one reason - the reviewer didn't like the transmission. So the point is that you can get it with a manual.
Okay, thanks. In Europe they do and it's hard to find an American website in Europe for some reason.
I'd take the V all day.
CTS-V Coupe is by far my favorite dream car, I saw one at the GM show case in Detroit and I just fell in love with it, truly amazing.
thank you great review this is what I was looking for why can't people make review like this. Normal no test tracks or power slides all through the video and bad music in the background. Just basic review of all three cars and pros and cons of each and done.
I had a feeling the European would but the Caddie Last!
he's Australian...
Harry Mac Glorified European then.
Just like you then...
doubletapproductions yeah but motor trend in American if you watch their other videos you see they always pick the American car over the gtr
Why do you think bmw is now focusing on torque and low end power copying the american stradegy.... because atleast 95% of bmw owners have never tracked a car. In everyday driving you want to sacrafice some overall performance to have some effortless low rpm power. This is what you want if you arent a real racer. Trust me..
Joe Smith BMW M cars are not that good on the track anyway.
The RS5 is a far better track car.
Agreed
It is really an amazing review...
I love motortrend...
I love The Ultimate Driving Monster M3.....
Wow, this video was uploaded during my 17th birthday, yey me.
lets see the cadillac is faster, bigger, and less money than both but loses because its transmission is inferior. doesnt matter to me when im driving passed both on the highway looking better and with extra 20 grand in my pocket
Maintenance is cheaper to
haha on the Highway :D Good joke :D While in Germany i drive my Polo with 90 HP with 120 miles per hour.Well at least , you can dream about it :-*
GM’s auto will completely ruin a great car. It’s really a fun killer. As a fan of GM and great cars, their slush boxes really do ruin an amazing car. No contest compared to the DCT in the other cars.
In a race Cadillac cts-v coupe would win! I like all of these cars but Cadillac for me :)
money is just a factor here mates. i dont know about you guys but i feel goose bumps whenever i her them say " there's a funny little button here that says 'm' " then makes that beautiful V8 engine noise.
@brentsrx7 sure....
The RS5 is nice but I prefer the newer one. And the new M3 Lime Rock Edition is something I would pick over the RS5. The CTS V Coupe... WTF? Should've compared a C63 AMG Coupe in its place.
Uh, the CTS-V kicks the RS5's ass. And the M3. And the C63. In fact the CTS-V would have won this comparison if they had gotten a manual one instead of an automatic, because if you were paying attention to the video you would have noticed that the CTS-V did everything better than both the other cars, but they didn't like the automatic transmission.
Clearly you're a CTS fan. Seriously, get your facts right and stop bullshitting or just shut dafuq up and leave.
ORLY? Tell me what facts I got wrong. You've never driven a CTS-V, have you? If you had, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The CTS-V runs 11s stock, what does the RS5 run again? I mean you understand that the CTS-V has almost 250 lb-ft more torque than the RS5, right? I've had some putz in an RS5 try to run me, it was fucking pathetic. Those cars are not fast.
NikoBell12 Right, I'm the blind one here. So tell me how I'm wrong, exactly. This is about you hating the CTS-V, not me hating anything. haven't you been paying attention? Oh and about my horrible typing skills, did I make any grammatical errors or spelling mistakes? Please do point them out to me.
If you're going to call me retarded regarding the CTS-V's steering feel, then I can only assume once again that you haven't actually watched this video. Or any other review of the CTS-V. Or the head 2 head against the E63. I'm not even the one saying the CTS-V has the best steering feel. Once again, feel free to watch this video again, but maybe pay attention this time.
And if the RS5 is fast, what does that make the CTS-V? Super fast? Monstrously fast? Ridiculously fast? Unbelievably fast? I don't know, you tell me. It's substantially faster than the RS5, so you tell me what you call that.
Speaking of pissy, have you looked in a mirror lately? Oh, and as he pointed out in the video, the reason the CTS-V got last place was because of the automatic transmission. I don't like autos, and my CTS-V has a manual. And Iv'e used it to utterly humiliate people in RS5s and M3s, it's hilarious how butthurt they get. And to add insult to injury, mine is a WAGON.
I'm guessing you have just absolutely zero clue how much faster the CTS-V is than the M3 and the RS5. Like absolutely no idea at all. Audi and BMW drivers tend to be the most obnoxiously stuck up about their cars (like you, for example) so they're the most fun to destroy. I mean your comments here are evidence of that, you think the RS5 is actually competitive with the CTS-V. Let me know when you come back to reality.
Wow, pathetic. I'm not responding you to you anymore. I got enough laughs for the night.
To be honest Bmw is not all that good it's just all hype. Of course that's my opinion and the Cts v looks way better.
Eratic Demon BMW are a very good brand but they are over hyped especially the M cars that are not even that good on a track.
@freakerss You hit the nail on the head freakerss, it's truly an obsession.
3:05 can't wait to try that revolutionary 7-speed dual clutch manual transmission.
I would NEVER spend the money on the Caddy coupe. It's hideous. Even more so than the SRX.
HOLY FUCK!!!! THE COUPE!!!!! i wasnt expecting it . where have i been
@Flabernat
No 4 door has come close? The latest Subaru STi got 7:55 on Nurburgring.
cant wait to take delivery of my brand new M3 coupe. Only 2 more weeks
@audioxxx
It's the Rossfeldstraße.
This is in Bavaria.
@Jamzkangster i would too but i still like the brute force HP behind the CTS V just makes you smile rather than the perfectly tuned M3
@cadrolls1 If you don't mind which Ferrari did that Vette (ZR1 i'm guessing) "dust"?
In a separate notice Thursday, GM said it was recalling more than 1,200 Cadillac Escalade EXT, Chevrolet Avalanche and Silverado and GMC Sierra vehicles for 2011 model year. In these vehicles, the rear axle cross pin might fracture or shift out of position. This might cause the rear axle to lock and the driver might lose control of the car.
That Cadillac would be my pick. Looks awesome then and looks awesome now.
I wanna see some actual racing between the three!
Very True, although when something does go wrong in BMWs they are fairly costly to repair if not under warranty.
@Greendude33
MT compared the CTS-V automatic's with the Audi and BMW's dual-clutch automatics. Maybe, GM engineers will consider that for the CTS-V. But the CTS-V automatic does have paddle shifters, but not a true twin-clutch like the Audi and BMW M Series.
he missed one thing about transmission is that lot of perfomance car owner likes manual rather than automatic. Matching manual gear with cts-v is just perfect
@cadrolls
I'm with you. Cadillac's 6-speed auto (with paddle shifters), also avail in 6-speed manual; is more designed for fuel efficiency. Well, the CTS-V isn't as such (if you get one please be cozy with your local gas station (EPA 12 city/18 hwy.)). The Audi and BMW's autos are dual-clutch autos. The ones who will drive the RS-5 and M3 will use the paddle shifters more often for driving experience.
@cadrolls wow...I didn't his this part of history. Can you give me a link to check it out myself. Thanks
The Caddy looks like something I stick under the door to keep it from closing.
@dwill8919 I agree, but just because a car has awd doesnt mean it handles better. handling has to do with suspension and breaking for the most part. On the traction side yes, awd is much better as well as a tire with a good foot print.
@Jamzkangster all three are v8's and your saying when buying a sports car you want less HP and more MPG?
@UFCextra Btw, I'm checking out some comparisons right now and the Audi S5 has ALL the same standard equipment as the CTS-V coupe. The cts v coupe gives better warranty for powertrain, but the european cars give better warranty's on everything else.
you have to appreciate the fender work on the caddy.. you can fit some nice wide wheels and rubber to make it look awesome
@philyfree I wonder where you got that quote from? Jeremy Clarkson perhaps?
The three of them are beautiful cars, and the engineering is just amazing, how can you be against one of these cars ? they're so complex yet we never think about that.
@gilbertfg wel there not entirely handmade but the engine is hand assembled
@CJAEY ....The 2011 STI test with Tommi Mäkinen behind the wheel is what I'm assuming you're talking about. That doesn't count, it's not an official production model,...... yet. So it's not on any official records.
@UFCextra if you want a competitor for the CTS-V you should go for the newBMW M5
"Cadillac doesn't just make great luxury cars...
They make Cadillacs♥"
they certainly do don't they?
Agreed. While automatics and Dual-clutches might be faster in a straight line nowadays, a manual gives you so much more road-feel. It connects you and makes you a part of the vehicle.
The CTS-V will blow the other two away no matter the transmission which btw is available in M6 if the auto was too lazy for your liking. It also already out handled the BMW at Nurburgring for a new record. The Cadillac is a beast and should have ranked 1st :)
@salzero1 true awd has it's disadvantages which u certainly pointed out. But put a rwd car into a tight corner at 80 mph and a awd and see Which one comes out faster, which out drifting. If ur diffention of handling is being able to slide and not spin around then yes BMW has it but still under any diffention of handling u will notice traction is the biggest part staying in the corner with out breaking lose to put best time possible
@salzero1 1second is a lot in a drag race but not that much on the Nürburgring that we talked about, it is over 20 km long
According to the video the reason the CTS-v got last was the Trans. I wonder how the test would have lined up if the cars all had manuals?
I've lied? where?
Tell me this, have you ever brought a Varta brand battery?
@Pube83 Its also 20k more which puts it in a different class
@jp30901 Well yeah in a straight line, I mean around a race track, like the Nurburgring where no 4Door has even come close to the Cadillac CTS-V 7:59 lap time.
General Motors this morning, The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration stated that GM failed to meet crash test requirements Resulting in poor occupant protection that do not meet U.S. requirements. GM to recall two million Cadillac CTS and CTS-V sports sedans from 2009-2010 including Cadillac CTS sedan (all-wheel drive type). Under certain circumstances, knee or leg decapitations can occur due to the passenger glove compartment. Any Response???
I want to see track time, 0-60 time, interior exterior etc.
@cadrolls I knew it would be a matter of time til you came back lol. It's in your nature. Ta ta.
They always will too!
Max respect to the resurgence of Cadillac and its image, the car of mobsters, businessmen, pimps, superstar athletes, rock and rapstars is back. Hell even the president rolls in a caddy that can stop a .50 cal round at point black range. It doesnt get much more badass than rolling in a Caddy.
According to JD Power and Associates Caddy matches or beats the Germans in multiple quality tests and customer satifaction surveys. Give some credit where it's due people.
@cadrolls I know, and it makes sense. AWD is the best in 0-60 (in most cases)
True. (1 Series & X1 SUV; based on 1 Series, Compact class)
@cadrolls1 Try launching the automatic CTS-V hard a few times and you'll end up needing to change clutch disks (at least). Not with the dual clutch tranny's though. I can use the launch control all day long and not have a single problem at the end of the day.
@NandoNY177: The Ford Mustang boss 302 has posted quicker lap times on the Laguna vs. the BMW m3 and the Audi R8. The surprising thing is. Is that the lesser mustang GT 5.0 actually equals the performance of the BMW m3.
bench mark is always a bench mark, its an complete engineers perfection
The mere fact that Cadillac is even mentioned with M3's and RS5's, speaks volumes. Which ever car you prefer, the domestics are FINALLY building contenders, and doing a great job, by the way. Keep up the good work GM and Ford. Now........what the hell is wrong with Chrysler?
the awd that changed the face of motorsports in the 80's.
@UFCextra Engine block in CTS-V is made in Mexico. Google or Wikipedia it.
@BodybuilderTP Anyone who knows anything about cars? That's the GT 5.0 came within .01seconds of the M3's time. Right? Tweaks to the 2011's suspension also make it understeer less.
It doesn't stop! More!!! --- In a separate notice Thursday, GM said it was recalling more than 1,200 Cadillac Escalade EXT, Chevrolet Avalanche and Silverado and GMC Sierra vehicles for 2011 model year. In these vehicles, the rear axle cross pin might fracture or shift out of position. This might cause the rear axle to lock and the driver might lose control of the car.
@cadrolls beautiful!!
The reviewer is correct to place Cadillac as last. GM, in their very American thinking, did not bother to pay as much attention to the gearbox as the engine when they designed the CTS-V. Also, until about 6 years ago, GM has never heard of "independent suspension", so while the CTS-V's suspension is superb, it lacks the precision of the M3 because it has not been tested and tweaked for 30+ years. Also, for those who are interested, 0-60 time for M3 is 3.7s, which is faster than CTS-V (3.9s)
Because size-wise, the CTS is really meant to challenge the M5/M6 offerings from BMW. However, Cadillac doesn't have the 3-Series-sized ATS/ATS-V models yet, AND the CTS-V coupe is priced competitively with the M3 at a starting price in the $60k-$70k range. The M6 is priced well above that, and many reviewers use price points as a means for comparing competing models, as buyers looking to choose will obviously look at the cost of the vehicle.
The Ultimate driving machine FTW! I am eyeing the CTS V but until I can afford to step into one of those dealerships I'm going to continue to drool over the M :)
@cadrolls Good point
@IairbusI I guess the styling is each to his or her own. Personally I like Mazaritti (sp?) and Austin Martin's 4 door super car the best. x2 Cadillac really did make an awesome car, I'm a huge fan of it.
@master9716 C-class coupe is still on works!!!
@sspope What proof do you have of that?
@zuuman1 Atleast they had the balls to put it into production. They are confident in their product.
CTS-V is only a manual compared to the others with DCTs right? Anyways, they are all excellent cars and the only way you will notice the handling difference if to push it at the limit at the track. Which most people don't.
what year is the bmw M3?
cant we all agree that the 3 cars are just fucking beautiful and awesome instead of fighting?
@UFCextra And by the way what the hell is so high tech in the CTS-V ? Just because a car doesn't have a shinny interior that doesn't mean it isn't high quality.
@overdrive90 thear are no clutch disk in an auto it's fluid so NO you will not have problems with a clutch disk
Damn I can't wait for the 3 Series, C Class and A4 fighting Caddy ATS and the S Class fighting XTS, I'm glad to see Cadillac is putting its attention back to the Germans like it did from 1903 to 1950 after that they got to big and soft.
Oh and the Rumored Halo car... Either a variant of the Cien or Sixteen.
the CTS V is the most amazing for me... i see BM and Audi all day long in France so i cant see any more deutsch cars :)
The M3 button push made me giggle like a little bitch XD. Good stuff Motortrend.
@cadrolls1 Oh, and you have yet to comment on the article- The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration stated that GM failed to meet crash test requirements Resulting in poor occupant protection that do not meet U.S. requirements. GM to recall two million Cadillac CTS and CTS-V sports sedans from 2009-2010 including Cadillac CTS sedan (all-wheel drive type). Under certain circumstances, knee or leg decapitations can occur due to the passenger glove compartment. Any Response???
@Flabernat In the future man, in the future. We'll both have one. =)
@cadrolls1 The BMW 5 and 7 series used GM produced transmissions for at least 6 years before they created the 6 speed of their own make. Bently and Rolls Royce also used GM hydra-matics for a number of years. They don't advertise that fact, but it's true.
@Greendude33
Then again, if it out-accelerates a BMW M and the Audi RS-7, why complain about the transmission? You got a point. I just responded to what Angus said, but then again, I've never driven these super luxury coupes. It's a pipe dream to most of us.
Go to your nearest Cadillac dealer and take a CTS-V out for a test drive. If that price is too much, then try the equally good ATS. It comes in an all wheel drive model too.
@BeemerKid760 So if you drove it, tell me what's the minuses and pluses of both cars. :)
They use the part but the software and calibration is all new.
@cadrolls I'm not siding with any company. It's about remembering that you have to be careful when throwing stones because one may come right back with you. Cadrolls, the difference between me and you is that I am not partial to one side of the story or blinded as you are. In any situation I will listen to the story and give an honest opinion. You are for Cadillac and Cadillac only. I love all cars. American muscle, Italian supercars, European cars and Japanese sportscars. Im a car guy period.
@hunker8 No, but thanks for asking.
@Waltazhaar I like you're thinking ;-)
Right, except for the part where he said the handling and steering were the best in the group. In fact the only problem he had with the CTS-V - and the only reason it didn't come in first - was the auto transmission. And of course you can get the CTS-V with a Tremec 6-speed manual, which solves that problem.
This is an odd comparison because neither the RS5 nor the M3 are in the CTS-V's league. At all. I blow by those cars like they're standing still.
@cadrolls1 I actually live in Connecticut just like you and I know quite a few people who live in Meriden. I want to see this book in person so I can read it for myself. I'm going to have to call up a friend and see if they can find it first.
Subsequently, Fritz Fiedler who was a seasoned car designer when BMW adopted the unique design language of the kidney grilles that the Ihle brothers originally incorporated into their roadster. He produced a number of prototype variations of the design and within a few months time, this distinct dual kidney grille design was released on the brand new 303 Series in time for the Berlin Motor Show in 1933. The rest is history.//// And this is the true history behind the BMWs kidney grill.
@cadrolls I didn't know it classified as a hatchback and yet I'm not surprised. The panamera turbo is 60 hp down and 100 lbs down so it isn't surprising the porsche can only achieve wicked 0-60 times. In fact tat's what most porsches seem to be doing these days. But the Panamera turbo S which will have the same hp is bound to beat the cts-v. That's not to say i'd buy a 170k hatch that looks like quasimodo.