@@TraustiGeir not only that but this is just quarter mile! let's get it on the track.. bends.. braking.. etc! Let's compare it with a similar japanese sportish 50-60k usd car.. caddy is CRAP!
You're right, but Wood wasn't far off. It is the same basic engine, the only differences between the LS9 and the LSA are the supercharger (1.9L on the LSA, 2.3L on the LS9) and some of the internal components have been beefed up in the LS9. Other than that, it is the same LS3-based engine in both of them.
Audi RS6: - Not sold in the US - Costs the equivalent of TWICE AS MUCH as the CTS-V, $125,000 - Does the same 0-60 as the CTS-V but has AWD to help it where the CTS-V doesn't - Lower top speed than the CTS-V - Weighs more than the CTS-V - has about 100 lb-ft less torque than the CTS-V You are sadly mistaken if you think the CTS-V can't beat the RS6.
@Yeti Gaming35 I hate to say I agree. Classic Cadillacs are amazing cars but there modern cars are absolutely garbage except for the 640 horsepower cts v which is okay but thats really the only decent cars today in their library.
The LSA in the CTS-V and ZL1 is nothing like the LS9 in the ZR1. The LS9 is leeps and bounds stronger than the LSA and is quite a bit stronger in every aspect. They do share head design and displacement but the whole rotating assembly is defferent. Even the valvetrain is different. The blower on the LSA is also a tvs 1900 (1.9L) vs the LS9 tvs 2300 (2.3L). Don't spread faulty information if you don't know please.
All true, but saying the LSA is "nothing like" the LS9 is an exaggeration. it's almost EXACTLY like the LS9, in fact it is LITERALLY the same engine, the main difference being some beefed up internals, and of course the supercharger which is external and not actually a part of the engine. Just saying, keep it in perspective. The LSA is very, very VERY much like the LS9.
Like I said, they share displacement and that's about it. Even the block itself is different as it uses different webbing for strength. Tear down an LS9 and then tear down an LSA, you will quickly see what I mean.
William Stewart A 1.3 liter wankel rotary engine is "nothing like" an LS9. An LSA is almost exactly like an LS9, since it is the same engine with some different internals. Like I said, keep it in perspective.
I love the comments. Everyone on here probably drives some POS, but dear God they are the "experts" on every car manufacturer and whose car is better. Just watch the video and quick trying to think please.
Vernon Price Post a video. If I had a sweet car, and I assume you love cars just as I or anyone else who likes cars, you would post a video. Because that is a way to share the cars with others, talking about its good or bad things about it, which each car has. So you don't.
Regardless of what you all think the Cadillac has come a long way and instead of hating on progress maybe some of you need to stop driving POS cars and own some of these cars so you can base a real opinion
I know you guys commented like 6 years ago lol but I’ve been saving up for a CTS for awhile now but I’ll have enough in like 2-3 years to buy one, and it would be one of the greatest things I’ll ever buy. Idk what it is but I can’t get over American v8s 😃
@@Feraz69420 since I've posted this I switched from my 10 and purchased a 2019 night and day difference trust me you don't regret it I've owned all 3 generations.
@@MrWallace27 I’m going to get one anywhere from 2016-2019 As much as I want a v that wouldn’t work for me in my situation lol but I do want a high trim though
O RLY? CTS-V Wagon and RS6 Avant: Wheelbase: CTS-V 113.4", RS6 112". Length: CTS-V 192", RS6 193" Width: CTS-V 72.5", RS6 74.4" Height: CTS-V 58", RS6 57.5" So how is the RS6 "much bigger"? The CTS-V's wheelbase is longer and it's taller. Obviously you didn't do the research before commenting, so you should consider yourself pwned.
@Brandon Kohlmeier, the CTS-V beat the Ferrari's ass on the top gear test track. Yes, the one that has turns in it. Were you not aware the CTS-V broke the world record for the fastest sedan around the nurburgring?
I drove an 09 CTS-V at an autoshow, the acceleration and handling are superb. It has a lot of power if you need it but it can be very gentle if you just Potter around.
Come on...a drag race like that? It reminds me of UK's Top Gear 'staged' drag races. Yeah you can see a lot of them & a good example is 458 Italia vs Merc SLS. Watch it & you know what I mean. This one too...the drag race doesn't seem real. I do not say Cadillac CTS-V is slow but man at the start that Ferrari was like not pushing that much.
Really? You guys are gonna do this? Great Britan is no better than America, and America is no better than Great Britan. Okay? Enough, I don't want this to happen.
The CTS-V also destroyed the Ferrari around the test track, to the tune of 1.5 seconds per lap.The CTS-V does EVERYTHING better than the Ferrari, not just straight line speed.
Someone posted a different clip from the same show, which includes an instant replay of the race from a different angle. In that one you can clearly see the two cars start at the same time, but the Caddy just bolts off the line, much faster than the Ferrari. More torque, I assume. Someone on that thread says 50 lb-ft more. Made a big difference at the finish.
Except in this case, where the Cadillac beat the soul, power and everything else of the California, in a straight line and around the top gear test track.
Hmmm, watched the grand prix at miller this year and watched both cts v's destroy mclarens, 458s, aston v12s, 911s and gtrs. The other american cars were all in the back lol cadilac took 1st and 3rd i believe.
The CTS-V has almost 200 lb-ft more torque than the Ferrari. think about that real hard, and I'm sure you'll eventually figure out why the Ferrari lost.
Watch the whole episode and you will see that they left the line at the same time. The CTS-V has 200 lb-ft more torque than the California, it can launch much harder. In addition, the CTS-V ALSO put an additional 2-3 car lengths on the California by the end of the race. Watch the video again.
American cars are serious competition now. People need to get over it. European cars are loosing their mark for performance. American cars aren't what they used to be anymore.
Why, because of this review? Does your hatred of TG US change the facts of this review? The CTS-V IS faster than the California. That's just a fact. Hopefully that's not the reason you hate TG US, because that's like shooting the messenger.
Vernon Price Yes, because of this review and no, not because of the facts. It's because of the comparison, these two cars are by no means on the same level. The CTSV boasts a supercharged 6L V8 and about 550hp, while the California 'only' has a 4.3L V8 with 460hp. This is a considerable difference in power! Plus, they are taking an italian GT, which comes to life on the track, and put it up against an american drag strip racer, then brag about how Cadillac beat the mighty Ferrari, even though they were never on the same level! So yes, the CTSV may be more powerful but this showdown is poorly choosed. They are just testing a car a certain way so it definitely wins.
GeneralGiant As opposed to the actual top gear (which admittedly I do think is better) which compares a Camaro to a car twice it's price and then justifies it on the basis that it's 'twice the car'. No shit, it would be highly disappointing if a car twice the price wasnt also twice the car
+GeneralGiant yeah they did that: see 2009 ctsv vs 2008 bmw m5 and 09 cts v vs 09 mb e63. This is a $60k vs a $200k car that's the comparison. fun fact about the uk: number one selling car is the ford fiesta
Oh, so that's why it caught up to the CTS-V and passed it. Oh wait, no that's not what happened at all. And what's your excuse for the CTS-V beating the shit out of the Ferrari on the top gear test track? Both cars were driven by the stig, the CTS-V was 1.5 seconds a lap faster. You are in denial. The CTS-V is a higher performance car than the California, by a significant margin, in every measurable way. You haven't driven a CTS-V or you would know that already.
Really America? How do believe that a car with a slower acceleration and lower top speed to win. The only way is if the driver of the ferrari didn't know how to drive a car. This guy even proves that point in the video when he states the Cadillac and the Ferraris stats.
Because the CTS-V doesn't have slower acceleration. Isn't that obvious? The CTS-V has almost 200 lb-ft more torque than the Ferrari does. So with that in mind, watch the video again and understand why the CTS-V beat it off the line the way it did. And then look at the end of the drag race where the CTS-V has clearly put an additional 2-3 car lengths on the Ferrari and understand that the CTS-V makes more power than the Ferrari does, which is why it won. it's really not that hard to understand. If you need more proof, go ahead and watch the entire episode, where you will also see the CTS-V destroying the Ferrari around the top gear test track. I think the real question here is why you believe the Ferrari should have won, considering it has less power and MUCH less torque than the CTS-V.
Vernon Price after taking your advice and watching it again, I can say in full confidence the Ferrari should have won. he states that the CTS - V takes 4 seconds to get to 60 and has a top speed of 175 mp/h which isn't bad. But he also states that the Ferrari takes 3.8 seconds to get to 60 and has a top speed of 193 mp/h. a bit more research puts everything in favour of the Ferrari except for this show which quite obviously prefer the Cadillac, giving them a motive to make it win. quite simply I think you should be the one to watch this again and maybe get it through your head that the Ferrari should have been the victor of the race
nick michel GM says the CTS-V does 0-60 in 3.9, and here's the kicker - that is severely traction limited. The CTS-V has so much torque (200 lb-ft more than the Ferrari) that it has issues putting it all to the ground. With drag slicks on the CTS-V can do a 3.5 second 0-60. The top speed of the auto is 175 because it's LIMITED to 175. The top speed of the manual is 191. If you had done the research you would have learned that the CTS-V has VASTLY more torque and more power than the Ferrari, and people have been getting 11.7 @ 120 mph in completely bone stock CTS-Vs. There is nothing about any of those facts that suggests the Ferrari was going to win this. Not only that, the CTS-V beat the Ferrari around the top gear test track too. maybe you should get it through your head that the Ferrari lost, and deal with the fact that the Ferrari is slower and handles worse than the CTS-V.
Caddy has more accessable power more of the time, in addition, its supercharged so it should be seriously tourqy, more than enough to beat a Ferrari over the quarter mile.
Is this a car show or a commercial for 'Murican cars? This dude acts like Cadillac invented the performance wagon... What a shit show! This doesnt deserve to be named Top Gear.....
If the4 Ferrari had won would you be claiming it was a commercial for Ferrari? No of course not because you're a hypocrite. The simple fact is that the CTS-V is faster and handles better than the Ferrari, while costing 4 times less money. Do you have a problem with reality, is that what the problem is here? Do facts have no place in your little world? Don't blame Top Gear for showing you how things work in the real world.
Tamas Laszlo Actually here is exactly what you said: "Is this a car show or a commercial for 'Murican cars?" Think about how stupid that is, and get back to me. And furthermore, you weren't paying attention when you watched the video. He said it COULD BE the world's first wagon SUPERCAR. He said NOTHING about it being the first performance wagon. FUCKING PAY ATTENTION PLEASE. And no, you are not the only dumbass in the comments section.
Vernon Price Im not sure who is the dumbass...Me or you?! Im not the one arguing over the internet about a stupid comment like your life is depending on whether or not you win the argument. It is my opinion, I have the right to express it, if you don't like it I don't care, don 't read it, you lectures don't mean a flying fuck to me. I will still stand by what I said no matter what you write. And btw I wouldnt buy neither of the cars because I don't like Cadillacs and I don't have the money to buy an over priced Fiat.( this is personal opinion again, no need for hostility)
Tamas Laszlo Your opinion is wrong, because you weren't paying attention to what he said in the video. It's not "just your opinion". Stop being a dumbass. And for all your talk about how this doesn't mean anything to you, here you are responding to it anyway. Are you trying to look like an idiot? The only reason you would stand by what you said, after I showed you why it was wrong, is if you have the IQ of a fucking FENCE POST. And seriously, nobody cares which cars you would or wouldn't buy.
Kinda true. Put a Veyron & I guess at the end of the day, maybe the Cadillac CTS-V is gonna lose but not by much...that is to say American cars are always among the greatest & fastest cars in the world.
sorry to revive an old thread here but.... nope. the cadillac of this generation was faster than every car in its class of that generation (e60 m5, for example). now the f10 series m5 was faster, but of course, that was a refresh. the new cts-v is faster than all bmw and mercedes cars on sale. go figure.
Stupid race. 1.Because it was on TG USA and 2. because you raced the Cadillac against the lowest powered production Ferrari, which is also a hardtop convertible.
CAPS LOCK. Beat them in what, a drag race? Im not too sure about that. You may want to check your numbers. Certainly not looks, quality, or around a track. They may be close in depreciation, but I doubt it.
Haha they puted the "American" Ferrari (the botton of the line) that is slow and heavy versus the best car that Cadillac could make to do just a drag race? kkkkkkk
I said show me where I can buy a GT500 wagon. Are you having difficulty reading, boy? Answer my question. ANd it's on you to show me any "luxurious soft" car that has done the nurburgring in under 8 minutes aside from the CTS-V, to prove your own point. Go ahead, I'll wait. And I bought my wagon because of the performance, the manual gearbox and because it's a wagon. I'm sorry if you don't understand that, but that's really your problem not mine.
Yes. 110 more HP, 200 lb-ft more torque, 3 MPH faster and oh yeah, $136,000 CHEAPER. And it's a STATION WAGON. And it's AMERICAN. Oh and the CTS-V kicked the California's ass on the TRACK too, you know, the one with corners? And if you can explain how the CTS-V somehow can't cross continents, I'm listening.
But sadly Cadillac killed off arguably two of the greatest threats ever to BMW and Mercedes the CTS-V & ATS-V now we've got two underachievers in the new CT4 & CT5 that doesn't even come close! Bad move Cadillac where's your Kahuna's??
First of all, your California numbers are way off. Motor Trend: 11.9 @ 117 Automobile Magazine: 12.2 Evo magazine: 12.2 @ 116 Car & Driver: 12.1 None of those are better than what the CTS-V can do, namely 11.9 @ 119. Obviously you are unclear on the meaning of the word "fact". Next, if you knew anything about what torque does you would understand why the CTS-V has a difficult time getting good 0-60 times. It's called wheelspin, and lots of it. With good traction, it can do 3.5 second 0-60.
From the M5 Wikipedia page: De-restricted the E39 M5 has a widely accepted top speed of 300 km/h (186 mph). From the CTS-V wikipedia page: Cadillac CTS-V´s top speed is 198 mph (319 KPH), which makes this car the world's fastest production sedan. (in 2009)
I'm spending exactly as much time on it as you are. What does that say about you? And if I can't afford a car why is there a CTS-V in my garage right now? Seriously, you're not making yourself look any smarter by not acknowledging this. C& D lightning lap which is heavily instrumented and documented: 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE (2010) 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN And that is a far more reliable source than yours, since all the testing is controlled. Keep trying though.
I dont see why people hate on top gear usa. Sure, uk is definetly better but, is it really bad enough to deserve a dislike? I live and die by top gear uk, but that video was hilariously awesome. It sure shut up my ferrari purist friend. (Lambo all the way)
The first estate supercar? Both Mercedes and Audi (and to a lesser extent BMW) have been making massively fast estates that could take on Ferrari's at least a decade before this was released. That being said, I love this car.
The California also costs $200,000. That was the point, the California costs FOUR TIMES as much money as the CTS-V. And for that, you're getting a Ferrari with less HP, less torque, it's slower and doesn't handle as well as the CTS-V. So why would anybody buy a California?
Actually it's 11.9 @ 119, and the official 0-60 time is 3.9, and that's severely traction limited. If I have to explain what traction has to do with 0-60 times, you already lost this argument. And did you even watch this video? The CTS-V very clearly destroyed the California in a straight line, and then did it again on the test track. Are you seriously going to try to argue against actual video that proves you wrong? Really?
Oh so you didn't type that post just now? Interesting. Since every post I've made is a response to one of yours, that does actually mean I've spent as much time as you have here. Are you bad at math or something? And by the way I didn't say the CTS-V is perfect. But I am correcting you where you're wrong about it, and as it turns out that's pretty much everything. It is faster than the M3, and it is faster than the Ferrari. These are facts, not opinions.
cts-v doesn't have an LS9… it has an LSA which is the same motor in the ZL1. the LS9 is hand built and comes with forged pistons and rods, some other goodies, and also a 2.3 supercharger. the LSA is not hand built, and doesn't have forged internals besides the crank. the LSA comes with a smaller 1.9 supercharger.
Your results? I haven't seen any results like that so far, the only ones I've seen have been in the low 8 minute range. Higher specific output is completely irrelevant. HP per liter is not what makes a car fast. The fact that you keep bringing it up makes you look like an idiot. The CTS-V is faster than the California, so how does higher specific output help, exactly? Oh right, it doesn't. The diff is not better in the Ferrari, the CTS-V has 200 lb-ft more torque than the Ferrari.
Lap times and driver impressions. Everybody who drives the CTS-V says the steering is the best on the market in that segment (better than the M5 and E63, for example) and the magneride suspension is absolutely the best. And of course, lap times.
Actually it isn't. For one thing the RS6 isn't sold in the US. For another the RS6 only does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, and that's with the advantage of AWD traction. The CTS-V doesn't have that advantage and STILL does it in 3.9. That's a traction limited 3.9, with good traction the CTS-V can do it in 3.5. The CTS-V also has a higher top speed and more torque than the RS6.
Of course the price matters. The $64k CTS-V is better in every measurable performance metric than the California, which costs 4 times as much. How stupid would you have to be to buy the California knowing that? Watch the entire episode not just this video and you will see that they leave the line at the same time. The CTS-V has 200 lb-ft more torque than the California. The CTS-V also beat the California on the track. The California really didn't have a chance.
Well for one there are the nurburgring lap times, on top of that its not an overpriced junk thats only for show but no bite. It bites and destroys most cars out there. Basic English fail, sorry kid.
CTSV did the Nurburgring in under 8 minutes, a record for a production car on stock tyres.
best quote I ever heard..."you can do a burnout all the way home from the Mall!"
gotta love a $60k caddy smoking a $200k ferrari
Distracted Earth yeah when you look correctly you can clearly see the ferrari leaving after the cad
@@felixauclairtendland4766 The Ferrari had a worse start.
@@TraustiGeir not only that but this is just quarter mile! let's get it on the track.. bends.. braking.. etc! Let's compare it with a similar japanese sportish 50-60k usd car.. caddy is CRAP!
Yeah don't believe these programs, they are entertainment only lol. As much as i like the CTS In the real world it would be the other way around
@@bboyjunyor Well it did beat a 60k Audi on a real track, so don't knock it for nothing...
3:05 it has 4 doors all of a sudden!
They did make a cts-v sedan
How bizarre
They literally address that about a minute later
Those Caddy's are beautiful cars, but that 57 is on a totally different level!
True
As soon as I saw the thumbs down, I knew the Caddy won. Seems like a lot of haters......ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're right, but Wood wasn't far off. It is the same basic engine, the only differences between the LS9 and the LSA are the supercharger (1.9L on the LSA, 2.3L on the LS9) and some of the internal components have been beefed up in the LS9. Other than that, it is the same LS3-based engine in both of them.
Audi RS6:
- Not sold in the US
- Costs the equivalent of TWICE AS MUCH as the CTS-V, $125,000
- Does the same 0-60 as the CTS-V but has AWD to help it where the CTS-V doesn't
- Lower top speed than the CTS-V
- Weighs more than the CTS-V
- has about 100 lb-ft less torque than the CTS-V
You are sadly mistaken if you think the CTS-V can't beat the RS6.
Cadillac is always the timeless best that money can buy.
@Yeti Gaming35 I hate to say I agree. Classic Cadillacs are amazing cars but there modern cars are absolutely garbage except for the 640 horsepower cts v which is okay but thats really the only decent cars today in their library.
The LSA in the CTS-V and ZL1 is nothing like the LS9 in the ZR1. The LS9 is leeps and bounds stronger than the LSA and is quite a bit stronger in every aspect. They do share head design and displacement but the whole rotating assembly is defferent. Even the valvetrain is different. The blower on the LSA is also a tvs 1900 (1.9L) vs the LS9 tvs 2300 (2.3L). Don't spread faulty information if you don't know please.
All true, but saying the LSA is "nothing like" the LS9 is an exaggeration. it's almost EXACTLY like the LS9, in fact it is LITERALLY the same engine, the main difference being some beefed up internals, and of course the supercharger which is external and not actually a part of the engine.
Just saying, keep it in perspective. The LSA is very, very VERY much like the LS9.
Like I said, they share displacement and that's about it. Even the block itself is different as it uses different webbing for strength. Tear down an LS9 and then tear down an LSA, you will quickly see what I mean.
William Stewart A 1.3 liter wankel rotary engine is "nothing like" an LS9. An LSA is almost exactly like an LS9, since it is the same engine with some different internals. Like I said, keep it in perspective.
I guess your just looking at it like a simpleton.
William Stewart Or like somebody who understands what the word "nothing" actually means.
I love the comments. Everyone on here probably drives some POS, but dear God they are the "experts" on every car manufacturer and whose car is better. Just watch the video and quick trying to think please.
I drive a CTS-V every day, you're welcome to try to tell me what you think I'm wrong about.
Vernon Price no you don't. Stop bullshitting
Fadi Beno Yes, I actually do. No bullshitting.
Vernon Price Post a video. If I had a sweet car, and I assume you love cars just as I or anyone else who likes cars, you would post a video. Because that is a way to share the cars with others, talking about its good or bad things about it, which each car has. So you don't.
@@fadi6730 lol Vernon price left the chat and I don’t own one but I’ve been saving up for one and can’t wait to buy it in 2 years when I have enough
They did. The CTS-V was 1.5 seconds a lap faster than the Ferrari.
The 2016 cts v!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean just amazing I have never fell in love with a car like I did with that one.can't wait till it comes out
Regardless of what you all think the Cadillac has come a long way and instead of hating on progress maybe some of you need to stop driving POS cars and own some of these cars so you can base a real opinion
Yeah man, the comment section ain't no place for Ferrari fanboys
I know you guys commented like 6 years ago lol but I’ve been saving up for a CTS for awhile now but I’ll have enough in like 2-3 years to buy one, and it would be one of the greatest things I’ll ever buy. Idk what it is but I can’t get over American v8s 😃
@@Feraz69420 since I've posted this I switched from my 10 and purchased a 2019 night and day difference trust me you don't regret it I've owned all 3 generations.
@@MrWallace27 I’m going to get one anywhere from 2016-2019 As much as I want a v that wouldn’t work for me in my situation lol but I do want a high trim though
THEY CALL IT COMPETITION. WE CALL IT V.
O RLY? CTS-V Wagon and RS6 Avant:
Wheelbase: CTS-V 113.4", RS6 112".
Length: CTS-V 192", RS6 193"
Width: CTS-V 72.5", RS6 74.4"
Height: CTS-V 58", RS6 57.5"
So how is the RS6 "much bigger"? The CTS-V's wheelbase is longer and it's taller. Obviously you didn't do the research before commenting, so you should consider yourself pwned.
I call B.S. the ferrari wasn't pushed enough. Put tanner or the stig in it. see what hapens.
So you got to have professional driver in the Ferrari to beat a Caddy station wagon???
Aaron Neville says you
"They allmost made a perfect car..." Come on Rut, have you ever driven an Audi? That's perfect
lol 4,897 butthurt ferrari fans
even more now lol
No it’s just people complaining about Top Gear US
7:00 if you're just here for the drag race
@Brandon Kohlmeier, the CTS-V beat the Ferrari's ass on the top gear test track. Yes, the one that has turns in it. Were you not aware the CTS-V broke the world record for the fastest sedan around the nurburgring?
I drove an 09 CTS-V at an autoshow, the acceleration and handling are superb. It has a lot of power if you need it but it can be very gentle if you just Potter around.
why does everyone hate on the TG USA, yeah I don't think its better than UK but I love watching this show
Jxzor speak the truth my brother they need to knw tht this is jus trash
Come on...a drag race like that? It reminds me of UK's Top Gear 'staged' drag races. Yeah you can see a lot of them & a good example is 458 Italia vs Merc SLS. Watch it & you know what I mean.
This one too...the drag race doesn't seem real. I do not say Cadillac CTS-V is slow but man at the start that Ferrari was like not pushing that much.
they were just proving the point that this Cadillac is a fast car
Audi RS6 (2013): 0-100 in 3,8 seconds, 2010kg weight, Quattro 4WD, 192mph with dynamic packet plus, Bi-Turbo, 700nm torque, 8-gear tiptronic, 229 g/km CO2. CTS-V: 0-100 in 4,1 seconds, 2005-2040kg weight, 747nm torque, 336 g/km CO2.
Its incredible for how big and heavy it is
6:52
I love the Caddy, hate Top Gear USA. It really makes you appreciate the wit and charisma of the real show. Jeremy Clarkson for Prez!
Dylan Mccall More like appreciate how Great Britain is better than America
Eric Wang keep dreaming friend :)
Really? You guys are gonna do this? Great Britan is no better than America, and America is no better than Great Britan. Okay? Enough, I don't want this to happen.
Eric Wang Oh?
+M10 Wolverine America is better
The CTS-V also destroyed the Ferrari around the test track, to the tune of 1.5 seconds per lap.The CTS-V does EVERYTHING better than the Ferrari, not just straight line speed.
Someone posted a different clip from the same show, which includes an instant replay of the race from a different angle. In that one you can clearly see the two cars start at the same time, but the Caddy just bolts off the line, much faster than the Ferrari. More torque, I assume. Someone on that thread says 50 lb-ft more. Made a big difference at the finish.
Clearly a promotional video.
I don't even have to finish this video. I bet they made the Cadillac win :-)
No, the manufacture made the Cadillac win.
Except in this case, where the Cadillac beat the soul, power and everything else of the California, in a straight line and around the top gear test track.
so many ferrari fanboys
Great review! Great Car!
Hmmm, watched the grand prix at miller this year and watched both cts v's destroy mclarens, 458s, aston v12s, 911s and gtrs. The other american cars were all in the back lol cadilac took 1st and 3rd i believe.
American CTS-V beats Ferrari in American show video(cannot call this top gear, it is not).
Wow that is unexpected results.
the ferrari is like a gt... the cadillac is just fast.
If you just want to go fast u can get a gtr or cts v
Ferrari 458 will beat it Cadilliac
They held the Ferrari back at the start, you could see it, insulting.
Excuses youre lucky they didn't pull the automatic coupe up to kill the California
The CTS-V has almost 200 lb-ft more torque than the Ferrari. think about that real hard, and I'm sure you'll eventually figure out why the Ferrari lost.
Watch the whole episode and you will see that they left the line at the same time. The CTS-V has 200 lb-ft more torque than the California, it can launch much harder. In addition, the CTS-V ALSO put an additional 2-3 car lengths on the California by the end of the race. Watch the video again.
WRONG! The fastest wagon/estate is the Audi RS6 Avant!
NOT than year maybe three years ago when Cadillac discontinued the wagon.
Top bad the v10 rs6 wasn't sold in the U.S. so thats probably why he said it.
Be sure to say that when an E63 AMG comes to destroy your ass.
Screw the whole Audi and Cts argument... I want the Eldo!
2013 Super Snake costs $94,195. Try again.
American cars are serious competition now. People need to get over it. European cars are loosing their mark for performance. American cars aren't what they used to be anymore.
A McLaren and Mercedes still beats American cars but otherwise yah agreed.
"the wagon just beat a Ferrari" because you got a whole second jump off the line.....🤦🏻♂️😂
Every now and again, I need a little reminder of why I hate Top Gear USA, and appreciate the true Top Gear show.
Thank you UA-cam.
Why, because of this review? Does your hatred of TG US change the facts of this review? The CTS-V IS faster than the California. That's just a fact. Hopefully that's not the reason you hate TG US, because that's like shooting the messenger.
Vernon Price Yes, because of this review and no, not because of the facts. It's because of the comparison, these two cars are by no means on the same level.
The CTSV boasts a supercharged 6L V8 and about 550hp, while the California 'only' has a 4.3L V8 with 460hp. This is a considerable difference in power! Plus, they are taking an italian GT, which comes to life on the track, and put it up against an american drag strip racer, then brag about how Cadillac beat the mighty Ferrari, even though they were never on the same level! So yes, the CTSV may be more powerful but this showdown is poorly choosed. They are just testing a car a certain way so it definitely wins.
Vernon Price And just take a look at the likes on this video, I'm not the only thinking this is ridiculous.
GeneralGiant As opposed to the actual top gear (which admittedly I do think is better) which compares a Camaro to a car twice it's price and then justifies it on the basis that it's 'twice the car'. No shit, it would be highly disappointing if a car twice the price wasnt also twice the car
+GeneralGiant yeah they did that: see 2009 ctsv vs 2008 bmw m5 and 09 cts v vs 09 mb e63. This is a $60k vs a $200k car that's the comparison. fun fact about the uk: number one selling car is the ford fiesta
Oh, so that's why it caught up to the CTS-V and passed it. Oh wait, no that's not what happened at all. And what's your excuse for the CTS-V beating the shit out of the Ferrari on the top gear test track? Both cars were driven by the stig, the CTS-V was 1.5 seconds a lap faster.
You are in denial. The CTS-V is a higher performance car than the California, by a significant margin, in every measurable way. You haven't driven a CTS-V or you would know that already.
muscle cars are way better than handbag cars like ferrari
exactly! Thumbs way up!
Until you try and turn
Really America?
How do believe that a car with a slower acceleration and lower top speed to win. The only way is if the driver of the ferrari didn't know how to drive a car. This guy even proves that point in the video when he states the Cadillac and the Ferraris stats.
Because the CTS-V doesn't have slower acceleration. Isn't that obvious? The CTS-V has almost 200 lb-ft more torque than the Ferrari does. So with that in mind, watch the video again and understand why the CTS-V beat it off the line the way it did. And then look at the end of the drag race where the CTS-V has clearly put an additional 2-3 car lengths on the Ferrari and understand that the CTS-V makes more power than the Ferrari does, which is why it won.
it's really not that hard to understand. If you need more proof, go ahead and watch the entire episode, where you will also see the CTS-V destroying the Ferrari around the top gear test track. I think the real question here is why you believe the Ferrari should have won, considering it has less power and MUCH less torque than the CTS-V.
Vernon Price after taking your advice and watching it again, I can say in full confidence the Ferrari should have won. he states that the CTS - V takes 4 seconds to get to 60 and has a top speed of 175 mp/h which isn't bad. But he also states that the Ferrari takes 3.8 seconds to get to 60 and has a top speed of 193 mp/h. a bit more research puts everything in favour of the Ferrari except for this show which quite obviously prefer the Cadillac, giving them a motive to make it win. quite simply I think you should be the one to watch this again and maybe get it through your head that the Ferrari should have been the victor of the race
nick michel GM says the CTS-V does 0-60 in 3.9, and here's the kicker - that is severely traction limited. The CTS-V has so much torque (200 lb-ft more than the Ferrari) that it has issues putting it all to the ground. With drag slicks on the CTS-V can do a 3.5 second 0-60.
The top speed of the auto is 175 because it's LIMITED to 175. The top speed of the manual is 191. If you had done the research you would have learned that the CTS-V has VASTLY more torque and more power than the Ferrari, and people have been getting 11.7 @ 120 mph in completely bone stock CTS-Vs.
There is nothing about any of those facts that suggests the Ferrari was going to win this. Not only that, the CTS-V beat the Ferrari around the top gear test track too.
maybe you should get it through your head that the Ferrari lost, and deal with the fact that the Ferrari is slower and handles worse than the CTS-V.
Caddy has more accessable power more of the time, in addition, its supercharged so it should be seriously tourqy, more than enough to beat a Ferrari over the quarter mile.
Then you don't know very much about how fast the CTS-V is.
so... at 1:00 ... why is it a four door all of a sudden?
+Matthias Schmitt because they had all three body styles for testing.
Is this a car show or a commercial for 'Murican cars? This dude acts like Cadillac invented the performance wagon... What a shit show! This doesnt deserve to be named Top Gear.....
If the4 Ferrari had won would you be claiming it was a commercial for Ferrari? No of course not because you're a hypocrite. The simple fact is that the CTS-V is faster and handles better than the Ferrari, while costing 4 times less money. Do you have a problem with reality, is that what the problem is here? Do facts have no place in your little world?
Don't blame Top Gear for showing you how things work in the real world.
Tamas Laszlo Actually here is exactly what you said: "Is this a car show or a commercial for 'Murican cars?" Think about how stupid that is, and get back to me. And furthermore, you weren't paying attention when you watched the video. He said it COULD BE the world's first wagon SUPERCAR. He said NOTHING about it being the first performance wagon.
FUCKING PAY ATTENTION PLEASE. And no, you are not the only dumbass in the comments section.
Vernon Price Im not sure who is the dumbass...Me or you?! Im not the one arguing over the internet about a stupid comment like your life is depending on whether or not you win the argument. It is my opinion, I have the right to express it, if you don't like it I don't care, don 't read it, you lectures don't mean a flying fuck to me. I will still stand by what I said no matter what you write. And btw I wouldnt buy neither of the cars because I don't like Cadillacs and I don't have the money to buy an over priced Fiat.( this is personal opinion again, no need for hostility)
Tamas Laszlo Your opinion is wrong, because you weren't paying attention to what he said in the video. It's not "just your opinion". Stop being a dumbass. And for all your talk about how this doesn't mean anything to you, here you are responding to it anyway. Are you trying to look like an idiot? The only reason you would stand by what you said, after I showed you why it was wrong, is if you have the IQ of a fucking FENCE POST.
And seriously, nobody cares which cars you would or wouldn't buy.
This has got to be one of the worst car videos I have ever set my eyes on...
Kinda true. Put a Veyron & I guess at the end of the day, maybe the Cadillac CTS-V is gonna lose but not by much...that is to say American cars are always among the greatest & fastest cars in the world.
Wow, I think you're the first person to piss him off enough, to get him to stop replying to you. CONGRATS!!!
the cadillac is a thrash piece of shit
You don't get a Ferrari for drag-racing. What are the producers smoking? Why haven't they cancelled this show already?
EXCUSES
The E63 AMG, M5 and RS6 are all faster than this...
But it's a cadillac... all those other companies are frequent with sports cars, Cadillac isn't
sorry to revive an old thread here but.... nope. the cadillac of this generation was faster than every car in its class of that generation (e60 m5, for example). now the f10 series m5 was faster, but of course, that was a refresh. the new cts-v is faster than all bmw and mercedes cars on sale. go figure.
This generation ctsv was faster than everything in its class! FACT
A comment that misses the point. How much will any of those cost you compared to the $60k of the CTS-V?
The 2013 CTS-Vs? You mean the ones that are exactly the same as the 2012s, the 2011s, the 2010s and the 2009s?
Stupid race. 1.Because it was on TG USA and 2. because you raced the Cadillac against the lowest powered production Ferrari, which is also a hardtop convertible.
Next it'll be a Corvette vs. a Lamborghini towing a U-Haul.
+575forza You're the reason for stupidity the car cost 60k vs 200k lol AMERICAN POWER
Also a corvette z06 can beat any non modified production lamborghini
CAPS LOCK. Beat them in what, a drag race? Im not too sure about that.
You may want to check your numbers. Certainly not looks, quality,
or around a track. They may be close in depreciation, but I doubt it.
Who races around a track lol I'm gonna drag race. And yeah a z06 would murder a lamborghini
Haha they puted the "American" Ferrari (the botton of the line) that is slow and heavy versus the best car that Cadillac could make to do just a drag race? kkkkkkk
it proves one thing: the cts-v is better than the worst ferrari
so not impressive
hugonubario the worst Ferrari which is like $250000 while the cts v you can find under $40000
BS the Cadillac just killed plane and simple stop hating. A 40k WAGON killed a exotic car period.
250k vs 60k wagon NO EXCUSES.
They did. The CTS-V beat the Ferrari's ass into the ground, at 1.5 seconds a lap faster on the top gear test track.
I said show me where I can buy a GT500 wagon. Are you having difficulty reading, boy? Answer my question. ANd it's on you to show me any "luxurious soft" car that has done the nurburgring in under 8 minutes aside from the CTS-V, to prove your own point. Go ahead, I'll wait. And I bought my wagon because of the performance, the manual gearbox and because it's a wagon. I'm sorry if you don't understand that, but that's really your problem not mine.
Oh good, then you can tell me how this video is not factual. Be specific, I don't want to have to continually ask you to prove how it's not factual.
Keep telling that to yourself or just face the fact that this car kicks ass in every way possible.
Why, because it's a Ferrari? You need to wake up, son.
Yes. 110 more HP, 200 lb-ft more torque, 3 MPH faster and oh yeah, $136,000 CHEAPER. And it's a STATION WAGON. And it's AMERICAN.
Oh and the CTS-V kicked the California's ass on the TRACK too, you know, the one with corners? And if you can explain how the CTS-V somehow can't cross continents, I'm listening.
But sadly Cadillac killed off arguably two of the greatest threats ever to BMW and Mercedes the CTS-V & ATS-V now we've got two underachievers in the new CT4 & CT5 that doesn't even come close! Bad move Cadillac where's your Kahuna's??
The CTS-V & ATS-V didn't sell well even tho they were Amazing cars.
I wonder why there were so many negative votes...? I thought the video was atleast decent.
First of all, your California numbers are way off.
Motor Trend: 11.9 @ 117
Automobile Magazine: 12.2
Evo magazine: 12.2 @ 116
Car & Driver: 12.1
None of those are better than what the CTS-V can do, namely 11.9 @ 119. Obviously you are unclear on the meaning of the word "fact". Next, if you knew anything about what torque does you would understand why the CTS-V has a difficult time getting good 0-60 times. It's called wheelspin, and lots of it. With good traction, it can do 3.5 second 0-60.
Not with a 420 HP twin turbo V6 it won't.
If you look the Ferrari waited for like a second at the start
Blue collar worker like myself enjoying this. That's like saying my salary is paying off.
Oh you think the Ferrari is faster? That must be why it caught up and passed the CTS-V in the drag race.
OH WAIT.
From the M5 Wikipedia page: De-restricted the E39 M5 has a widely accepted top speed of 300 km/h (186 mph).
From the CTS-V wikipedia page: Cadillac CTS-V´s top speed is 198 mph (319 KPH), which makes this car the world's fastest production sedan. (in 2009)
I'm spending exactly as much time on it as you are. What does that say about you? And if I can't afford a car why is there a CTS-V in my garage right now? Seriously, you're not making yourself look any smarter by not acknowledging this.
C& D lightning lap which is heavily instrumented and documented:
3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE (2010)
3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE
3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN
And that is a far more reliable source than yours, since all the testing is controlled. Keep trying though.
Only Jeremy, James and Richard can do the job!
Not a zr1 lsa motor.
I dont see why people hate on top gear usa. Sure, uk is definetly better but, is it really bad enough to deserve a dislike? I live and die by top gear uk, but that video was hilariously awesome. It sure shut up my ferrari purist friend. (Lambo all the way)
The first estate supercar? Both Mercedes and Audi (and to a lesser extent BMW) have been making massively fast estates that could take on Ferrari's at least a decade before this was released.
That being said, I love this car.
The California also costs $200,000. That was the point, the California costs FOUR TIMES as much money as the CTS-V. And for that, you're getting a Ferrari with less HP, less torque, it's slower and doesn't handle as well as the CTS-V.
So why would anybody buy a California?
Because it's 10 times better looking and a hard top convertible. Drop mic
"just an American car" that beat the crap out of this Ferrari in a straight line AND around their track.
How did you get 175 moh? The numbers I heard it topped out at 193 mph
Leave to Cadillac to win yet again! Does it get any more embarrassing for the German competition?
Actually it's 11.9 @ 119, and the official 0-60 time is 3.9, and that's severely traction limited. If I have to explain what traction has to do with 0-60 times, you already lost this argument.
And did you even watch this video? The CTS-V very clearly destroyed the California in a straight line, and then did it again on the test track. Are you seriously going to try to argue against actual video that proves you wrong? Really?
Oh so you didn't type that post just now? Interesting. Since every post I've made is a response to one of yours, that does actually mean I've spent as much time as you have here. Are you bad at math or something?
And by the way I didn't say the CTS-V is perfect. But I am correcting you where you're wrong about it, and as it turns out that's pretty much everything. It is faster than the M3, and it is faster than the Ferrari. These are facts, not opinions.
Right, because seeing it done on video isn't proof. Well, when you're ready to show us all how that video is fakes, I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.
cts-v doesn't have an LS9… it has an LSA which is the same motor in the ZL1. the LS9 is hand built and comes with forged pistons and rods, some other goodies, and also a 2.3 supercharger. the LSA is not hand built, and doesn't have forged internals besides the crank. the LSA comes with a smaller 1.9 supercharger.
BadLac bro you are a CTS V
Your results? I haven't seen any results like that so far, the only ones I've seen have been in the low 8 minute range. Higher specific output is completely irrelevant. HP per liter is not what makes a car fast. The fact that you keep bringing it up makes you look like an idiot. The CTS-V is faster than the California, so how does higher specific output help, exactly? Oh right, it doesn't.
The diff is not better in the Ferrari, the CTS-V has 200 lb-ft more torque than the Ferrari.
so this guy's saying that this is powered by a ZR1 engine, an LS9 Supercharged... that means 640HP... that's OUTSTANDING! for a shopping wagon
He's not exactly right, it's powered by an LSA engine, 556 HP. Still pretty outstanding.
So Cadillacs are supercars? Wow this guy knows his stuff!
1:31 Economy 1 Mpg.
You sure it's a Corvette engine? It's probably a Hummer under the hood
My favorite cars are the Cadillac and the Ferrari.
Lap times and driver impressions. Everybody who drives the CTS-V says the steering is the best on the market in that segment (better than the M5 and E63, for example) and the magneride suspension is absolutely the best. And of course, lap times.
The California costs 4 times as much as the CTS-V. That's why it's a valid comparison. It costs 4 times as much for inferior performance in every way.
Actually it isn't. For one thing the RS6 isn't sold in the US. For another the RS6 only does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, and that's with the advantage of AWD traction. The CTS-V doesn't have that advantage and STILL does it in 3.9. That's a traction limited 3.9, with good traction the CTS-V can do it in 3.5. The CTS-V also has a higher top speed and more torque than the RS6.
Of course the price matters. The $64k CTS-V is better in every measurable performance metric than the California, which costs 4 times as much. How stupid would you have to be to buy the California knowing that?
Watch the entire episode not just this video and you will see that they leave the line at the same time. The CTS-V has 200 lb-ft more torque than the California. The CTS-V also beat the California on the track. The California really didn't have a chance.
Well for one there are the nurburgring lap times, on top of that its not an overpriced junk thats only for show but no bite. It bites and destroys most cars out there.
Basic English fail, sorry kid.
The Ferraris being held back.