There was 1 truly great engine builder in new Zealand he is Lynn Rogers and manon racing is kind of second to him . Lynn gets and has the formula for 220hp 4age red tops carburetors on side draughts and that's 220hp at the wheels he is old school and was building escorts in the 70s 80s 90s etc I'm not taking anything away from Barry (barry manon) but Lynn's motors are 4ages from top to bottom they are truly awesome and he deserves a mention in the comment section he has retired but his shops still there on Vincent street in howick
Fans of initial D or not, I would like to point out that the 4AGE that Bunta put in Takumi's 86 after the original blew out WAS from the Formula Atlantic race cars. Bunta mentions a friend acquiring the engine from connections within the racing world, it was not just another 4AGE but that explains it's capability of revving up to 10k rpm
@@calvinDy Pretty sure you're mostly right but Ryosuke told Takumi that they lowered the rpm just as a better tune for mid range torque in the same scene that he explains the engine can rev to 12k for extra torque at the high end...
nah cuz the engine they depicted was a silver top 20v which could not make even close to the performance that the FA engines made. even tho bunta said that stuff the engine didn't exist
@@TheKiddingStar I think, I couldn't find the episode you we're talking about. The closes thing I could find near that is ryosuke telling keisuke that the engine is probably de-tuned for street use, though I only tried finding it it 2nd stage and 3rd stage, also it can't rev to 12k. 11k is max, if it went to 12k it would blow up
I think with your AW11 hibernating during the winter, it may give you more time to put into this segment of your channel. With your style of videos and manners of exploration.. very entertaining and very informative! Will stay tuned and look forward to other engines! Great first engine choice!
Great work, very entertaining. One thing I would have added is the different chassis/models that used 4A engines, it would be very useful for someone researching parts and cross-references for a project, and it would give everybody a good idea of what you can put this engine into without any chassis modifications. After all it is one of the, if not the only engine that was used in every configuration, FF, FR and RR, with the added choice of going 16V or 20V.
@@yuotosaka9092 go for a turbo charged K20 conversion 😎 I'd never buy a 1,6L turbo. I own a opel/vauxhall astra H with 2.0 turbo and it produces 200horses stock. I could easyly add 50Hp on stock engine without reliability issues. And its allready pretty fun to drive. But you want more over time... and so im currently a 2nd block with forged internals and it will output 400-420 horses. But this year i'm gonna start with a mild 300hp software to get used to the behaviour like torque steer and upgrade the suspension to handle all that torque. What i'd like to say is: you need a bit of displacement to create exhausgasflow. A modified 1,6L turbo is flat AF innthe low range and as soon as it reaches boost you'll fight the wheelspin. With more displacement not only the turbo gets spooled earlier but the engine also has more torque below boost level. So the everyday drivabillity is wayyy better with a bit of displacement then with a tiny engine that relies 100% on the turbo-torque. As soon as the turbo will be bigger it would not spool at 2000-2500 but more like 3000-3500. And that is the problem. Now you have all the top end power and high numbers but cant get of the line because you have to wait till the engine revs to 3500 rpm. Nobody wanty that in an everyday car. The least for light cars in my opinion is 1,8L - better 2.0L. 2,5L is about perfect for up to 400 horses with perfect low end grunge and can reach 500hp with a bit of a loss in the low end. 1,6L cant get much past 200hp without major losses in the low end. If your fine with that (for ever! ) you should consider the 1,6L class.
100hp per liter of NA displacement is a remarkable accomplishment for any engine. An AW11 with 160hp and the chassis being lightened and reinforced for racing is an amazing sportscar! I should be mad at you for these great MR2 vids...cus I miss my old MR2 that I put so much time and money and love into... ;) I am not mad though! Keep up the great work!
@@scyra9997 OK but put these engine in a car that weight 1000kg and it will not move lol. 100hp per liter with a minimum of torque is impressive thrust him
@@diegogiovinazzo7774 Wheel torque is just a matter of gearing. A 1000 kg car won't like to move with the bike engine's stock gearing, but if you put in a proper final drive it will move just as easily as with car engines of similar hp. 99.9% of people still don't understand how power and torque works, just rely on sayings containing half truths and their gut feeling.
@@andrasjuhasz7011 if you only change the final gearing then you'll get good amount of torque but it will rob the top end power which is also known as horsepower.
I have been building 4age's since 1998(my second car was a aw11) and your comments are exactly on point! In a world with alot of miss information seeing a video on UA-cam that correctly and honestly talks about a engine that is near and dear to my heart is very important. Well done! I may pull out my 5mg(z)e of my 76 Toyota Corona and put it in my wife's 87 Cressida (mx73) and actually sit down and build the turbo 7ag that's been sitting on the shop floor for about 3 years. Great video and good on you for it!!!! (One thing you got wrong was the 4agze rods are huge and can be boosted to around 300+ hp and be safe). But other than that absolute perfection! You get a sub for this!!!!
Thats one thing i love about 86 community is that people really care about the cars theres no mustang/240 fanboys (not to say anything bad i love my foxbody:)) finding info on my fox is digging through hot rod dad magazines from 2005 cant find a good source like billzilla
@@d4a YES please 3sge :-) incl. the 3. gen. 175 hp. I build one myself but so far have no car to test it in. All balanced, higher compression, ported head, mod. cams, camgears, new bearings, gaskets, seals and pumps. Lightened and balanced flywheel and crank pulley. New clutch also balanced. Cleaned and tested injectors. All ridges and edges from airbox to intake ports smoothed out. Heavily modifyed ACIS.
Consider yourself blessed for having found a way to make a loyalty-based lifestyle work. It is my way, too, but I have a 2000 Corolla (my first car, bought new) with a 3S-GTE and no sustenance structure to keep it running and things getting even worse all the time, and it's slowly killing me. ua-cam.com/video/_XhkAG-KHac/v-deo.html
The BDA was the ultimate Mini Cooper S racing swap in the 1970s; unimaginably expensive with a lot of machining and custom crank, etc., etc. but it had been done and so we could therefore dream about it. The commonalities with the 4AGE puts that engine in a very meaningful and interesting context.
Great video dude! As a Toyota head, AW11 MR2 fanatic, and someone who's spent more time workin on 4AGs than anything this was really enjoyable! I used to have an 87 MR2 with a bigport 4AGE with $1.5k in suspension mods I installed plus some other interior goodies, exhaust, wheels and tires...those TVIS sounds pulled my heartstrings lol, I miss that car and that motor. Now I've got an 86 MR2 with a JDM 4AGZE swap and even more money put into the suspension, lots of good bits. No more TVIS, but man 165hp and 155l ft/lbs out of a 1.6 is great, and people's reaction who aren't in the know is great when I tell them that little bitty motor has a supercharger pushing 10psi on it making some respectable power. Love 4AGs!
My former cars: AE111 Sprinter Carib BZ Touring 20v Blacktop 6 spd AE111 Sprinter Trueno 20v Blacktop auto AE100 Corolla 20v Silvertop/Blacktop 12.7:1 compression race car with 5 speed lsd box. (Built 8 years ago and still drag races 5 to 6 events per year. Now with 150 shot of nos) I have also built turbo 4age Silvertop with gze 8.9:1 pistons.
In New Zealand in 1990 we got the ae92 hatch called the gti. It was the nz new and built version of the Gen 2 fxgt. It had the red and black top, which is the smallport 7 rib that put out 127hp and was rev limited, not speed limited. I owned mine for 5 years and it is in my top 3 owned cars. 150kph in 3rd 😂 I miss it. I chose to keep my gtt caldina which has the 3sgte and awd etcetc. Great vid, excellent knowledge and great for anyone looking to own a 4age containing vehicle. Thanks for your good work.
On the cooling, I had a 1985 Corolla FXGT. Could thrash it everywhere and never moved off 3/5th's on the Temp gauge. Sit in traffic for 45 secs and would overheat. Changed hoses, thermostat and radiator cap, didn't fix it. Mechanic said only other thing it could be is coolant pump, but didn't make sense as it should overheat all the time. I got a junkyard pump and pulled off mine. The impeller blades had rusted down to stubs all the way to the shaft. When I showed the mechanic, he was so impressed with the cooling system he asked to keep the rusted pump to show others.
I want to comment though Im by no means an authority just someone whos owned a few 4AGE cars mostly MR2s... What a nice stout engine that loves to be driven hard and gives you everything you'd want in a light car. I am so happy that this engine is remembered, Im happy initial D caught on and it rocketed the engine to heights in the west it would never have hit, because It was NOTHING here until initial D popularized the 86.... and I am just happy there is still so much activity around this great engine. That said I wish some engines like the CA18DE/DET got more attention but I'll take what I can get!
If you want to do an episode on the rover 3.5 V8, my great grandad was the head engineer at the time and he was the one who created the engine itself, so I might be able to give a little info
Oh wow! That would be amazing. Real stories from real people can't be beat. Would love that. In the chanel about section there is an email, if you want, get in touch and we can talk details :) thank you for the offer
I still have this formula atlantic engine in storage for about 18 years now. Some offered me 12k 10 year's ago. I said no since i have gone through 2 4age, 1 7age, 1 ae101 silver top 4age, 1 1zzge, 1 2zzge and beams 2.0.
Like your series idea! Iconic engines... Please don't forget the ESSEX v6 for a later video. It was built in South Africa for more than 30 years, that's gotta say something..
Another iconic engine from Toyota is the 3SGE and its variants. Like the 3SGTE that Rod Millen used to scream to the top of Pike's Peak with...880hp out of a 2.2L block!
When I had my MR2 I built what I called the mid-port 4AGE. I used a large port head and a small mort manifold. I partially filled in the floor of the ports in the head to match the floor of the port on the manifold. I them widened the intake ports to match the big port head, which required filling in the open area on the outside of the manifold. Milled it all on a borrowed Bridgeport mill. I really liked the way it ran, better than the small port engine did.
Excellent video, have mine 4AGE rebuilt and finishing the installation on my Corolla, can't wait to ride it again. Please do a video to the glorious 3SGTE
This might just be the perfect engine. I'm wanting to do an engine swap into a Yaris XP90(2005-2010), I want 150-180hp, n/a, high revving motor, and I've been using this series to help with it, thank you for helping a man out!
Man..nice explaination. I really like the 4age so much and been using it extensively for my toyota. I use the NA from 16v non-tvis, tvis up to 20v svt/bt from end 90s until I settled down for 4efte couple of years ago due to my aging factor 😁
I feel like I'm in a college lecture hall. These videos are incredible sir. I'm here because last month I got a 2001 Celica GTS. High miles but it runs great. Doing my homework on the 2ZZ-GE engine recently - I watched your 2ZZ engine video yesterday (bravo). Also, I've lived in Japan for several years, and I've watched Best Motoring for many many years and so I thought I knew a lot about the 4AGE but this video really is a deep dive. Fantastic.
The Toyota Corolla RXI was my first car.I really miss how that engines screamed all the way up to 8000 rpm.It was also a bulletproof engine.I had an accident and they didn’t put oil in the engine after repair and I drove around for 2 weeks without oil.No damage.
Easy to work on.... I replaced a piston in my MR2 1gen without removing the engine. Remove the cross member and oil pan, unbolt the conrod and push it out the top. Easy as pie. I had 200$ in the whole job after doing all the maintenance.
so happy / glad to see your channel finally getting some decent views !!! been watching your channel for a few yrs. 86 mk1A aw11 mr2 owner my self... currently in the middle of finishing my 2zz 6spd swap on mine... keep the vids coming !!!
I just got my self a 1986 gts celeca 3s ge... love the channel. I feel like i found a hidden gem and it has crazy power for what it was in its time. This car rips. I love my front wheel drive mr2 celica lol
my 86 corrola had a broken odometer stuck at 850k when i got it in 2004.i put at least another 500k on it till i lost my liscence.origional motor but with a crack in the block leaking coolant.i just had to reguraly clean spark plugs and hammer the solonoid when it wouldnt start.best car ever
Toyota Engine naming system: First digit: Iteration of engine block Second digit: Engine block type Third digit: Head type (F for eco heads, G for performance heads) Fourth digit (if applicable): Varies (S for D4S combined fuel injection technology, T for turbocharger, Z for supercharger) Last digit: E for electronic fuel injection (Carbureted engines typically didn’t use the last digit for fuel system type)
Hello Man! I'm a huge fan of your channel and i just want to thank you for your work, all the informations and tips you give to us; I live in France and i'am myself restoring a nice little Corolla AE82 Gt Twin Cam, with the fantastic Bluetop. Rare "Black Edition " one, will be happy to present it when it'll be finished. Thank's again ;)
I owned a 4AGE BlackTop with 20 valves, or rather a Toyota Corolla GT(AE111) with 6 speed gearbox, second hand from Japan, built in 1997. Car already totalled in 2005, had owned it for some 18 months. The engine had some weaknesses in terms of performance for me as a user, between 2500 ~ 4000 RPM there was a black spot if you were above 4th gear. For sure its an Iconic engine. As for the sound, it sounded more like a Yamaha motorcycle engine when floored.
My previous car was a Corolla Seca SX with the 4AGE and it was a blast to drive. I never modded it over the 7+ years I owned it and I thought the car handled OK. Then I bought an Integra TypeS which was a night and day difference in handling and frankly I'm surprised I even survived some of things I did in that SX... I'm still daily driving that TypeS 14+ years later, also still largely un-modded, it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. I loved that 4AGE engine but the K20Z1 is amazing.
Here from NZ 🇳🇿 I have a 4age 20v blacktop in a ae111 Sprinter has done 295000ks from factory, unopened stock form. Still going strong, taken to redline most times I drive it and never missed a bit. Owned for 7 years. Also own a 2zzge, zze123 Corolla Z tourer, but must say AE111 sprinter can easily hold its ground to it's successor with half the mileage. 0-160km/h that is. Both 6MT. Ae111 4age Sprinter is more fun to drive, alot less weight and seems to handle better and more aggressive intake noise than the 192hp successor 2zzge Corolla. My 2cents..
Loved the vid! Great info and the engine choice was perfect. Only one quibble - the Prizm pictured was a base model with a 4AFE. I know where you can get many pix of GSi though ;)
Thank you. I just took the image from Wikipedia without much thought. Now I regret it a bit. I'm in Europe and I honestly know nothing about the Prizm or the Nova, but I'm sorry I got the wrong pic.
You could cover engines in order by #of cylinders so as you have started with the 4AGE you could then do the 4G63T, EJ20, etc then move onto 6 cylinder's such as the 6G72TT, 2jZ, RB series, etc etc
The Formula Atlantic engines are $15,000 minimum, and need a good amount of run and race time, and also need frequent rebuilds. YES the stock 4AGE is wonderful in all of the small platforms that it fits in, as long as you can tackle the oil seals around the distributor, oil pan (add baffle to prevent oil starvation on lateral force), and valve gasket covers (coolant flows from cylinder one through four, making cylinder four the hottest). Much else costs money, this man speaks the truth. It WORKS
That's why I add 5-8% more fuel cylinder on 4 lol and have the coolant exiting the head str8 to the hot coolant lines to radiator instead of heater core..
A specification was missed at 9:26 for the 4A-GZE. There were two generations; 1st gen 145hp used the large port 16v head, 2nd gen 165hp used the small port 16v head.
Good day. I really likes the 4AGE till he mentioned that is we want more power with out doing a whole then we must opt for a toyota 4A-GZE. Your thoughts ?
@@grfico_ It all depends on your goal. You can certainly make power with a naturally aspirated 4A-GE but it can get expensive depending on how much you want to make. So, what's your power goal?
A good old 20v Silvertop that can scream all the way till 11k with some ITBs and 75mm trumpets is the way to go. Because picking a 4AGE nowadays is for aesthetics while driving/racing.
ben bowers pretty cool but only you missed is the AE92 Supercharged engine. read in Over Rev! Manga, Ryoko Shino she just killed the 4AGZE engine the stock engine of the AW11 Supercharged. Cause in the Over Rev! Manga, she put a new engine in her AW11, which is AE92 Supercharged Engine. It was originally stock engine of 1989 Toyota AE92. And then after she put the AE92 Supercharged Engine in her AW11, Ryoko Shino turn the ignition on her car and it worked. I read in the Mangakalot.com in Safari.
I did the 20v head swap on my 87, it's relatively low budget, and they have 20v swap kits that are way cheaper, more reliable (if you have a low km/mile engine) and even easier to install as it comes with a guide. Also comes with camshafts and other high performance goodies.
I think it's more like 3SGE - 2RZ I am your father more than the 22R ! I am putting together a late 50s style formula 1 special with 2 of these joined together with custom ground camshafts and an Eaton supercharger scavenged from a modern Mercedes to act as the one 8 cylinder engine - Alfa Romeo and Mercedes did the same thing with their straight 8 grand prix engines using 2 seperate blocks to get around the torsional twist problems of the 1 long crankshaft and the tendency of long cylinder head to want to warp under heat cycles.. It's gonna look kinda something like a Maserati 250F or a Scuderia Lancia D50, but not an actual replica of anything - woudl hate to go to a hillclimb and have some snobby purist point out 'thats not correct' , 'they didn't do that back in the day' or 'oh , thats a modern one but!' no thankyou .. but the heart wants what the heart wants and thats what I'll build!
112hp 1.6L 4age legendary engine, not much to gain when NA tuned, volvo redblock 2.3L 114hp mondain grampa engine. ported 16V head ITBs and stroked from 2.3-3.1L 300ish hp for roade use with aftermarket ecu NA tuned
@@boroboroae86 No 1600ccm 4age has ever made 300 crank hp. 250 is about absolute max on race fuel from the FA. Don't argue about hp with a stroked and bored engine that has almost double the displacement - that battle is lost before it has begun haha Pretty sure no Volvo engine has ever made 156hk/liter though ;)
npharkes Where in my comment did i say 1.6? The comment from the op talked about a stroked and bored volvo engine. So naturally the 4age I mentioned is also that.
The 4AC is a hidden diamond, I worked one in 1999, Holley carb, head port and flow, extractors, cam and valve and springs upgrade, balanced lightened crank and fly wheel. My AE71 pumped 120kw with that work
Man!!!! Seriously, this videos is one of a kind! I follow u for some time. But now you really surprised me. Awesome videos. I could listen to you talking about the engine the whole day. Great video series ideia. I can't wait for the next one. Congratulations, you're the best!
I dunno what you're talking about. I enjoyed the dialogue way more than the racing in InitialD lol. I love all the technical talk and intricate drifting methodologies considered they were supervised by Keiichi Tsuchiya .
I had a 4AGE powered corolla in the 90's, no much fun to drive. Even took it to the local race tracks for some club level sprints. Now I'm older and have Subaru fitted with EJ20 turbo, boost is king for sure.
It would be sick if you did a review on the ozzy built 4l inline 6cyl turbo.the barra..big turbo twin cam vvti..its a beast it propels a 1800kg family sedan from 0-100km in 5.9 sec
Excellent job, still love seeing the hasselgren motors for Formula Atlantic. I'm not sure the 20V is superior for power. If you disassemble the 4agze you'll be shocked about the actual build quality of the engine. The bushed rod, floating pins, ceramic coated pistons, oil squirted. On small port short blocks we would run factory bottoms with a 16v head to 9300 rpm. This was more a limitation of the facility head than the bottom end. The valve train is so lightweight there's more potential. Aftermarket engine parts are not really needed for most builds. Look at the factory connecting rods across all the series of the engines. The engine has so much history I wouldn't expect you to be able to know all these things without firsthand knowledge. The 7age is only better if it's run within factory parameters, the stroke actually hurts the overall power potential. And for more fun with Toyota's dig into the 503e
Not many engines can handle 2-3 yeah even 4 times the stock power, but the 4A-G can 😋 I have seen examples on over 500hp on stock GZE internals 😳 The 2JZ-GTE are also a unique engine and you HAVE TO make a video of that 😉 You should also consider BMW straight sixes and the 5 cyllinder AUDI engine from the Group B Quattro 😋
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Why would I need custom pistons for 9age and what are the specs
There was 1 truly great engine builder in new Zealand he is Lynn Rogers and manon racing is kind of second to him . Lynn gets and has the formula for 220hp 4age red tops carburetors on side draughts and that's 220hp at the wheels he is old school and was building escorts in the 70s 80s 90s etc I'm not taking anything away from Barry (barry manon) but Lynn's motors are 4ages from top to bottom they are truly awesome and he deserves a mention in the comment section he has retired but his shops still there on Vincent street in howick
@@davidtagilala5040 Lynn Rogers Automotive has been sold, kinda sad to see
@@evanroberts6347 sup evan his signs still up on the building and his apprentice at the time is now the owner of the shop and lynn pops in regularly
@@davidtagilala5040 oh okay, wasn't aware of that. Good to know thanks
Fans of initial D or not, I would like to point out that the 4AGE that Bunta put in Takumi's 86 after the original blew out WAS from the Formula Atlantic race cars. Bunta mentions a friend acquiring the engine from connections within the racing world, it was not just another 4AGE but that explains it's capability of revving up to 10k rpm
it was 11K as the rev limit but later lowered to 9k as a tune for better all around torque
@@TheKiddingStar it had 9k and later 11k when they got the new tachometer, it had 11k until at the end of the series, it went to 12k so it blew up
@@calvinDy Pretty sure you're mostly right but Ryosuke told Takumi that they lowered the rpm just as a better tune for mid range torque in the same scene that he explains the engine can rev to 12k for extra torque at the high end...
nah cuz the engine they depicted was a silver top 20v which could not make even close to the performance that the FA engines made. even tho bunta said that stuff the engine didn't exist
@@TheKiddingStar I think, I couldn't find the episode you we're talking about. The closes thing I could find near that is ryosuke telling keisuke that the engine is probably de-tuned for street use, though I only tried finding it it 2nd stage and 3rd stage, also it can't rev to 12k. 11k is max, if it went to 12k it would blow up
So what do you think of the start of the ICONIC ENGINES series?
Love it!!!
I think with your AW11 hibernating during the winter, it may give you more time to put into this segment of your channel.
With your style of videos and manners of exploration.. very entertaining and very informative! Will stay tuned and look forward to other engines! Great first engine choice!
Great. Do the s series please.
Great work, very entertaining. One thing I would have added is the different chassis/models that used 4A engines, it would be very useful for someone researching parts and cross-references for a project, and it would give everybody a good idea of what you can put this engine into without any chassis modifications. After all it is one of the, if not the only engine that was used in every configuration, FF, FR and RR, with the added choice of going 16V or 20V.
Many thanks for the kinds words! Billzilla :)
153 HP from a tiny 1.6 L engine is more than enough for me
Its not just more than enough, its amazing that toyota managed to squeeze 153/160 hp per litres with 80-90 tech from a reliable engine
@@nikatskhovrebadze5803 its more like 100HP/L
And thats nothing special for a high revving engine.
So which is better? 4AGE or D16/B16 by Honda?
@@yuotosaka9092 4Age
@@yuotosaka9092 go for a turbo charged K20 conversion 😎
I'd never buy a 1,6L turbo.
I own a opel/vauxhall astra H with 2.0 turbo and it produces 200horses stock. I could easyly add 50Hp on stock engine without reliability issues. And its allready pretty fun to drive. But you want more over time... and so im currently a 2nd block with forged internals and it will output 400-420 horses. But this year i'm gonna start with a mild 300hp software to get used to the behaviour like torque steer and upgrade the suspension to handle all that torque.
What i'd like to say is: you need a bit of displacement to create exhausgasflow. A modified 1,6L turbo is flat AF innthe low range and as soon as it reaches boost you'll fight the wheelspin.
With more displacement not only the turbo gets spooled earlier but the engine also has more torque below boost level. So the everyday drivabillity is wayyy better with a bit of displacement then with a tiny engine that relies 100% on the turbo-torque.
As soon as the turbo will be bigger it would not spool at 2000-2500 but more like 3000-3500. And that is the problem. Now you have all the top end power and high numbers but cant get of the line because you have to wait till the engine revs to 3500 rpm.
Nobody wanty that in an everyday car.
The least for light cars in my opinion is 1,8L - better 2.0L. 2,5L is about perfect for up to 400 horses with perfect low end grunge and can reach 500hp with a bit of a loss in the low end.
1,6L cant get much past 200hp without major losses in the low end. If your fine with that (for ever! ) you should consider the 1,6L class.
I’ve worked for toyota as a mechanic for 15 years and I learned a lot from this video. I appreciate all the effort
100hp per liter of NA displacement is a remarkable accomplishment for any engine. An AW11 with 160hp and the chassis being lightened and reinforced for racing is an amazing sportscar! I should be mad at you for these great MR2 vids...cus I miss my old MR2 that I put so much time and money and love into... ;) I am not mad though! Keep up the great work!
most 1 liter motorbike engines make around 200hp NA. also 2 stroke superkart engines make 100hp from 250cc so 400hp per liter
@@scyra9997 OK but put these engine in a car that weight 1000kg and it will not move lol. 100hp per liter with a minimum of torque is impressive thrust him
@@diegogiovinazzo7774 Wheel torque is just a matter of gearing. A 1000 kg car won't like to move with the bike engine's stock gearing, but if you put in a proper final drive it will move just as easily as with car engines of similar hp. 99.9% of people still don't understand how power and torque works, just rely on sayings containing half truths and their gut feeling.
@@andrasjuhasz7011 if you only change the final gearing then you'll get good amount of torque but it will rob the top end power which is also known as horsepower.
I have been building 4age's since 1998(my second car was a aw11) and your comments are exactly on point! In a world with alot of miss information seeing a video on UA-cam that correctly and honestly talks about a engine that is near and dear to my heart is very important. Well done! I may pull out my 5mg(z)e of my 76 Toyota Corona and put it in my wife's 87 Cressida (mx73) and actually sit down and build the turbo 7ag that's been sitting on the shop floor for about 3 years. Great video and good on you for it!!!! (One thing you got wrong was the 4agze rods are huge and can be boosted to around 300+ hp and be safe). But other than that absolute perfection! You get a sub for this!!!!
Thats one thing i love about 86 community is that people really care about the cars theres no mustang/240 fanboys (not to say anything bad i love my foxbody:)) finding info on my fox is digging through hot rod dad magazines from 2005 cant find a good source like billzilla
Tell me which 4ages came with oil squirters besides the small ports?
@@slow_carsgarage7422 4agze large port has them
@@mista2621 is redtop better than blacktop for drift...?
4AGE and 3SGE are my favorite NA Engines from Toyota.
I would love to see a 3SGE segment.
3sge is coming up for sure!
@@d4a YES please 3sge :-) incl. the 3. gen. 175 hp. I build one myself but so far have no car to test it in. All balanced, higher compression, ported head, mod. cams, camgears, new bearings, gaskets, seals and pumps. Lightened and balanced flywheel and crank pulley. New clutch also balanced. Cleaned and tested injectors. All ridges and edges from airbox to intake ports smoothed out. Heavily modifyed ACIS.
ITB Beams ?
3S-GTE - My favorite flavor
Toyota builds great engines, but I always hate the 3RZ-FE getting snubbed. So much potential there.
Dude had a twincharged Levin when I was a kid. One of my dream cars back then
I've owned my 1988 Toyota MR2 for 12 years. I've driven it almost every day and do all of the work myself. I love every minute of it.
Consider yourself blessed for having found a way to make a loyalty-based lifestyle work. It is my way, too, but I have a 2000 Corolla (my first car, bought new) with a 3S-GTE and no sustenance structure to keep it running and things getting even worse all the time, and it's slowly killing me.
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you need to watch initial d in Japanese with subtitles and the dialogue makes a hell of a lot more sense than the English dub
Gazatron81 no
Your loss, it’s way better
Gazatron81 exactly what I thought , and do
@JM Coulon exactly and the meaning and tone of many words just cant be translated trough text.
Still trash!!
The BDA was the ultimate Mini Cooper S racing swap in the 1970s; unimaginably expensive with a lot of machining and custom crank, etc., etc. but it had been done and so we could therefore dream about it. The commonalities with the 4AGE puts that engine in a very meaningful and interesting context.
Great video dude! As a Toyota head, AW11 MR2 fanatic, and someone who's spent more time workin on 4AGs than anything this was really enjoyable! I used to have an 87 MR2 with a bigport 4AGE with $1.5k in suspension mods I installed plus some other interior goodies, exhaust, wheels and tires...those TVIS sounds pulled my heartstrings lol, I miss that car and that motor. Now I've got an 86 MR2 with a JDM 4AGZE swap and even more money put into the suspension, lots of good bits. No more TVIS, but man 165hp and 155l ft/lbs out of a 1.6 is great, and people's reaction who aren't in the know is great when I tell them that little bitty motor has a supercharger pushing 10psi on it making some respectable power. Love 4AGs!
so that kinda explains why the 4A racing engine sounds reaaally similar to the BDA (which usually found in Escort rally cars). thanks, cheers
And why both are super awesome haha
I love 4age’s so much! I’ve got 4 now haha, 4age itbs in one Ae86 and a 4ag with carbs in my other Ae86 and a standard 4age build in my ke70!
Currently swapping a bigport into my sr5 hachi, im going to run r1 bike carbs, super excited!
Make one 7age but put in kp61 trust me this one will smock most of the 4age car out there
What is the 4th one?
@@lonerider3441 I think the 4th one at the time was a spare but I’ve since gathered more
I own a starlet with a 20v black top couldn't be more happier
I own an 81 starlet that I had swapped in a 3TC and recently upgraded to a 20V silvertop.....absolutely love it.
@Pepe Jazbec I've a 20V silvertop...I've never heard of a 16V silvertop.
My former cars:
AE111 Sprinter Carib BZ Touring 20v Blacktop 6 spd
AE111 Sprinter Trueno 20v Blacktop auto
AE100 Corolla 20v Silvertop/Blacktop 12.7:1 compression race car with 5 speed lsd box. (Built 8 years ago and still drag races 5 to 6 events per year. Now with 150 shot of nos)
I have also built turbo 4age Silvertop with gze 8.9:1 pistons.
I have a 1993 ae101 with a 20v
@@kimoliburd8829 could you guide me in building my blacktop 20v 5 speed? Cant seem to understand the bucket under shim and etc
In New Zealand in 1990 we got the ae92 hatch called the gti. It was the nz new and built version of the Gen 2 fxgt. It had the red and black top, which is the smallport 7 rib that put out 127hp and was rev limited, not speed limited. I owned mine for 5 years and it is in my top 3 owned cars. 150kph in 3rd 😂 I miss it. I chose to keep my gtt caldina which has the 3sgte and awd etcetc. Great vid, excellent knowledge and great for anyone looking to own a 4age containing vehicle. Thanks for your good work.
I've gone up the kaimais towards tauranga sliding all over the place and your absolutely right they are a great car.
Billzillas 4age page is the go to reference for anything and everything 4age
I was fortunate to own an 85 corrolla gts with the 4AGE, love the car but that engine, what a gem
this is the definitively the best 4AGE info video, better than any else. fucking love you man.
On the cooling, I had a 1985 Corolla FXGT. Could thrash it everywhere and never moved off 3/5th's on the Temp gauge. Sit in traffic for 45 secs and would overheat. Changed hoses, thermostat and radiator cap, didn't fix it. Mechanic said only other thing it could be is coolant pump, but didn't make sense as it should overheat all the time. I got a junkyard pump and pulled off mine. The impeller blades had rusted down to stubs all the way to the shaft. When I showed the mechanic, he was so impressed with the cooling system he asked to keep the rusted pump to show others.
I want to comment though Im by no means an authority just someone whos owned a few 4AGE cars mostly MR2s... What a nice stout engine that loves to be driven hard and gives you everything you'd want in a light car. I am so happy that this engine is remembered, Im happy initial D caught on and it rocketed the engine to heights in the west it would never have hit, because It was NOTHING here until initial D popularized the 86.... and I am just happy there is still so much activity around this great engine. That said I wish some engines like the CA18DE/DET got more attention but I'll take what I can get!
If you want to do an episode on the rover 3.5 V8, my great grandad was the head engineer at the time and he was the one who created the engine itself, so I might be able to give a little info
Oh wow! That would be amazing. Real stories from real people can't be beat. Would love that. In the chanel about section there is an email, if you want, get in touch and we can talk details :) thank you for the offer
I love all toyota A series engines. Super super reliable!!!
I still have this formula atlantic engine in storage for about 18 years now. Some offered me 12k 10 year's ago. I said no since i have gone through 2 4age, 1 7age, 1 ae101 silver top 4age, 1 1zzge, 1 2zzge and beams 2.0.
Like your series idea! Iconic engines...
Please don't forget the ESSEX v6 for a later video. It was built in South Africa for more than 30 years, that's gotta say something..
Wee tip, if you want a stroked 3S-GTE on the cheap, keep the turbo head and chuck it on a 2.2ltr 5S-FE toyota camry block.
Another iconic engine from Toyota is the 3SGE and its variants. Like the 3SGTE that Rod Millen used to scream to the top of Pike's Peak with...880hp out of a 2.2L block!
3sgte is definitely iconic and will get a video for sure!
Look up the eagle MK3 race car is killed the racing series with 3sgte beating even F1 and Le mans spec engine's
When I had my MR2 I built what I called the mid-port 4AGE. I used a large port head and a small mort manifold. I partially filled in the floor of the ports in the head to match the floor of the port on the manifold. I them widened the intake ports to match the big port head, which required filling in the open area on the outside of the manifold. Milled it all on a borrowed Bridgeport mill. I really liked the way it ran, better than the small port engine did.
Excellent video, have mine 4AGE rebuilt and finishing the installation on my Corolla, can't wait to ride it again.
Please do a video to the glorious 3SGTE
Another great video, they just seem to get better and better , awesome insight into the capabilities of our engines, thanks you 🙏
0:10 everything you need to....
to get up to speed on THE 4A-GE
lightning, lightning, lightning!
More powa baby!!!!!!!!
DODO DADOOO DOOOO BA BUM
Is like to like the comment but it has 86 like right now so the law forbids me
Where to get parts for 4AGE
This might just be the perfect engine. I'm wanting to do an engine swap into a Yaris XP90(2005-2010), I want 150-180hp, n/a, high revving motor, and I've been using this series to help with it, thank you for helping a man out!
Man..nice explaination. I really like the 4age so much and been using it extensively for my toyota. I use the NA from 16v non-tvis, tvis up to 20v svt/bt from end 90s until I settled down for 4efte couple of years ago due to my aging factor 😁
A video on the SR20 would be nice, though the 3S GTE would probably be a better follow for this.
I had a 1998 4AGE 20v Turbo and Nos 350 kw 13 years ago. How I miss this demon 😥 😔
I feel like I'm in a college lecture hall. These videos are incredible sir. I'm here because last month I got a 2001 Celica GTS. High miles but it runs great. Doing my homework on the 2ZZ-GE engine recently - I watched your 2ZZ engine video yesterday (bravo). Also, I've lived in Japan for several years, and I've watched Best Motoring for many many years and so I thought I knew a lot about the 4AGE but this video really is a deep dive. Fantastic.
The Toyota Corolla RXI was my first car.I really miss how that engines screamed all the way up to 8000 rpm.It was also a bulletproof engine.I had an accident and they didn’t put oil in the engine after repair and I drove around for 2 weeks without oil.No damage.
Easy to work on....
I replaced a piston in my MR2 1gen without removing the engine. Remove the cross member and oil pan, unbolt the conrod and push it out the top. Easy as pie. I had 200$ in the whole job after doing all the maintenance.
any video
I’ve got a 4AGE Black Top on my Toyota Carina GT, I am loving it
Dude, the humor you provide during the videos i special and a pure gold for gearheads ;)
so happy / glad to see your channel finally getting some decent views !!! been watching your channel for a few yrs.
86 mk1A aw11 mr2 owner my self... currently in the middle of finishing my 2zz 6spd swap on mine...
keep the vids coming !!!
I just got my self a 1986 gts celeca 3s ge... love the channel. I feel like i found a hidden gem and it has crazy power for what it was in its time. This car rips. I love my front wheel drive mr2 celica lol
my 86 corrola had a broken odometer stuck at 850k when i got it in 2004.i put at least another 500k on it till i lost my liscence.origional motor but with a crack in the block leaking coolant.i just had to reguraly clean spark plugs and hammer the solonoid when it wouldnt start.best car ever
DaviDamir every Corolla has that same starter problem lol
Toyota Engine naming system:
First digit: Iteration of engine block
Second digit: Engine block type
Third digit: Head type (F for eco heads, G for performance heads)
Fourth digit (if applicable): Varies (S for D4S combined fuel injection technology, T for turbocharger, Z for supercharger)
Last digit: E for electronic fuel injection (Carbureted engines typically didn’t use the last digit for fuel system type)
You are right... That is one of the best sounding motors. Now i miss my MR2. I had two gen1.
Exactly what I'm lookin for. Thanks for this magnificent work bro!
This is a very underrated and un talked aboit channel
Hello Man! I'm a huge fan of your channel and i just want to thank you for your work, all the informations and tips you give to us; I live in France and i'am myself restoring a nice little Corolla AE82 Gt Twin Cam, with the fantastic Bluetop. Rare "Black Edition " one, will be happy to present it when it'll be finished. Thank's again ;)
I owned a 4AGE BlackTop with 20 valves, or rather a Toyota Corolla GT(AE111) with 6 speed gearbox, second hand from Japan, built in 1997. Car already totalled in 2005, had owned it for some 18 months. The engine had some weaknesses in terms of performance for me as a user, between 2500 ~ 4000 RPM there was a black spot if you were above 4th gear. For sure its an Iconic engine. As for the sound, it sounded more like a Yamaha motorcycle engine when floored.
my favorite engine of all time
bill's site is incredible
I own a red top beams Celica , love it
My previous car was a Corolla Seca SX with the 4AGE and it was a blast to drive. I never modded it over the 7+ years I owned it and I thought the car handled OK. Then I bought an Integra TypeS which was a night and day difference in handling and frankly I'm surprised I even survived some of things I did in that SX... I'm still daily driving that TypeS 14+ years later, also still largely un-modded, it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. I loved that 4AGE engine but the K20Z1 is amazing.
Man, I thoroughly enjoyed this.
Here from NZ 🇳🇿
I have a 4age 20v blacktop in a ae111 Sprinter has done 295000ks from factory, unopened stock form.
Still going strong, taken to redline most times I drive it and never missed a bit. Owned for 7 years.
Also own a 2zzge, zze123 Corolla Z tourer, but must say AE111 sprinter can easily hold its ground to it's successor with half the mileage. 0-160km/h that is. Both 6MT.
Ae111 4age Sprinter is more fun to drive, alot less weight and seems to handle better and more aggressive intake noise than the 192hp successor 2zzge Corolla. My 2cents..
You live in the land of MRP! Lucky! Yeah, I got that from a lot of ppl. Old analogue stuff has more thrills even if less power on paper.
Barry Manon himself racing his MRP 9agte levin. Has seen this car in person, insane to say the least.
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Loved the vid! Great info and the engine choice was perfect. Only one quibble - the Prizm pictured was a base model with a 4AFE. I know where you can get many pix of GSi though ;)
Thank you. I just took the image from Wikipedia without much thought. Now I regret it a bit. I'm in Europe and I honestly know nothing about the Prizm or the Nova, but I'm sorry I got the wrong pic.
These are the only videos I can actually sit through the entirety of
You could cover engines in order by #of cylinders so as you have started with the 4AGE you could then do the 4G63T, EJ20, etc then move onto 6 cylinder's such as the 6G72TT, 2jZ, RB series, etc etc
U forgot to mention the 4af engine which is an economical engine which i own and was mostly sold in the south America and Caribbean countries.
F=narrow angle head
G=wide angle head
4a is engine mount configuration.
4a-fe
E = electronic fuel injection
-gte =turbo
Z=super charged
4AGE 20v I love the sound of that engine
I have a AE 101 blacktop turbo charge with second gen pistons and silvertop rods with a evo exchust twin scroll turbo
This will be a great series!
I used to love the 4AG, until I drove an SR20DE. Loved the SR20DE until I drove a K20.
Who tf watches initial d dubbed, bruh. It’s way better and makes more sense subbed
The Formula Atlantic engines are $15,000 minimum, and need a good amount of run and race time, and also need frequent rebuilds. YES the stock 4AGE is wonderful in all of the small platforms that it fits in, as long as you can tackle the oil seals around the distributor, oil pan (add baffle to prevent oil starvation on lateral force), and valve gasket covers (coolant flows from cylinder one through four, making cylinder four the hottest).
Much else costs money, this man speaks the truth.
It WORKS
That's why I add 5-8% more fuel cylinder on 4 lol and have the coolant exiting the head str8 to the hot coolant lines to radiator instead of heater core..
16v 4ages had 112hp only in America and some areas of Europe, cause of the MAF sensor, but Japanese domestic market 4ages had 128 and map sensors
Yes exactly..I was just about to say this..so this guy doesn't know everything.
The 5M-GE is pretty good too! My 84 celica Supra has it.
A specification was missed at 9:26 for the 4A-GZE. There were two generations; 1st gen 145hp used the large port 16v head, 2nd gen 165hp used the small port 16v head.
Good day. I really likes the 4AGE till he mentioned that is we want more power with out doing a whole then we must opt for a toyota 4A-GZE. Your thoughts ?
@@grfico_ It all depends on your goal. You can certainly make power with a naturally aspirated 4A-GE but it can get expensive depending on how much you want to make. So, what's your power goal?
A good old 20v Silvertop that can scream all the way till 11k with some ITBs and 75mm trumpets is the way to go.
Because picking a 4AGE nowadays is for aesthetics while driving/racing.
Great video! Love the sound of the Bigport 4age16v in my Fx16.
I'd love to have a 20v in an mr2 some day
Isaak Welch I’ve got a 20v blacktop in my aw11 mr2 and it’s quite great. Not super fast but Makes amazing noises and is super fun to drive
ben bowers pretty cool but only you missed is the AE92 Supercharged engine. read in Over Rev! Manga, Ryoko Shino she just killed the 4AGZE engine the stock engine of the AW11 Supercharged. Cause in the Over Rev! Manga, she put a new engine in her AW11, which is AE92 Supercharged Engine. It was originally stock engine of 1989 Toyota AE92. And then after she put the AE92 Supercharged Engine in her AW11, Ryoko Shino turn the ignition on her car and it worked. I read in the Mangakalot.com in Safari.
I did the 20v head swap on my 87, it's relatively low budget, and they have 20v swap kits that are way cheaper, more reliable (if you have a low km/mile engine) and even easier to install as it comes with a guide. Also comes with camshafts and other high performance goodies.
Brandon Marenko OMG get ahold yourself 🤦🏻♂️
Lmenzol hey relax would ya. Didn’t you read Over Rev! Manga in Mangakalot.com on Safari what I said on the comments?
auto tech for 50 years here. toyota is best
I think it's more like 3SGE - 2RZ I am your father more than the 22R ! I am putting together a late 50s style formula 1 special with 2 of these joined together with custom ground camshafts and an Eaton supercharger scavenged from a modern Mercedes to act as the one 8 cylinder engine - Alfa Romeo and Mercedes did the same thing with their straight 8 grand prix engines using 2 seperate blocks to get around the torsional twist problems of the 1 long crankshaft and the tendency of long cylinder head to want to warp under heat cycles.. It's gonna look kinda something like a Maserati 250F or a Scuderia Lancia D50, but not an actual replica of anything - woudl hate to go to a hillclimb and have some snobby purist point out 'thats not correct' , 'they didn't do that back in the day' or 'oh , thats a modern one but!' no thankyou .. but the heart wants what the heart wants and thats what I'll build!
Just fantastic, thanks for all the research.
Wow, very interesting! 9A-GA turbo is mind-blowing!😁
Remember adding eurobeat adds up to 50hp
4age Engine’s Are Sum Of The Best Performance 🎭 Engines
Mazdas b6 and bp engines should be the next video👍🏼👍🏼
22R-ET iconic engine too
This helped me so much to choose what type of 4age I want for my ae86, tyty
I love Intial D and the AE86 and 4AGE
Wow! That 9age sounds sick!
112hp 1.6L 4age legendary engine, not much to gain when NA tuned, volvo redblock 2.3L 114hp mondain grampa engine. ported 16V head ITBs and stroked from 2.3-3.1L 300ish hp for roade use with aftermarket ecu NA tuned
Ståle Mahoney There are NA 4age 16v tuned to 300hp. So your argument makes zero sense.
@@boroboroae86 300crank or 300wheel is a bit of a difference.
@@boroboroae86 No 1600ccm 4age has ever made 300 crank hp. 250 is about absolute max on race fuel from the FA. Don't argue about hp with a stroked and bored engine that has almost double the displacement - that battle is lost before it has begun haha Pretty sure no Volvo engine has ever made 156hk/liter though ;)
Ståle Mahoney Your first comment didn’t specify crank or wheel hp. But yea there’s obviously a difference.
npharkes Where in my comment did i say 1.6? The comment from the op talked about a stroked and bored volvo engine. So naturally the 4age I mentioned is also that.
Odlična epizoda, samo nastavi s ovom temom ✌🏻👍🏻
The 4AC is a hidden diamond, I worked one in 1999, Holley carb, head port and flow, extractors, cam and valve and springs upgrade, balanced lightened crank and fly wheel. My AE71 pumped 120kw with that work
Man!!!! Seriously, this videos is one of a kind! I follow u for some time. But now you really surprised me. Awesome videos. I could listen to you talking about the engine the whole day. Great video series ideia. I can't wait for the next one. Congratulations, you're the best!
You just made my weekend. Thanks so much for that comment.
I dunno what you're talking about. I enjoyed the dialogue way more than the racing in InitialD lol. I love all the technical talk and intricate drifting methodologies considered they were supervised by Keiichi Tsuchiya .
22-RE please! Or the 3SGTE OR 5SFE HAHA LOVE THE CHANNEL AND THE NEW SERIES IS EXCITING!
👍 I love my 4a. She has 267k miles now
Oh, hi zade, fancy seeing you here.
I had a 4AGE powered corolla in the 90's, no much fun to drive. Even took it to the local race tracks for some club level sprints. Now I'm older and have Subaru fitted with EJ20 turbo, boost is king for sure.
4age is a very powerful 4 cylinder engine
wouldnt say powerful , but yea
Not very powerful but the best sounding 4-cylinder of all time
I'm so happy you used the ocean dub and not funimation :-D
It would be sick if you did a review on the ozzy built 4l inline 6cyl turbo.the barra..big turbo twin cam vvti..its a beast it propels a 1800kg family sedan from 0-100km in 5.9 sec
Great video man!
Thank you!
Excellent job, still love seeing the hasselgren motors for Formula Atlantic.
I'm not sure the 20V is superior for power.
If you disassemble the 4agze you'll be shocked about the actual build quality of the engine. The bushed rod, floating pins, ceramic coated pistons, oil squirted.
On small port short blocks we would run factory bottoms with a 16v head to 9300 rpm. This was more a limitation of the facility head than the bottom end. The valve train is so lightweight there's more potential. Aftermarket engine parts are not really needed for most builds. Look at the factory connecting rods across all the series of the engines. The engine has so much history I wouldn't expect you to be able to know all these things without firsthand knowledge.
The 7age is only better if it's run within factory parameters, the stroke actually hurts the overall power potential.
And for more fun with Toyota's dig into the 503e
how would more displacement hurt power ?
@@ntwx2137 the rpm capacity is reduced more than the gain in displacement.
Love this videos man. Keep doing this.
Not many engines can handle 2-3 yeah even 4 times the stock power, but the 4A-G can 😋 I have seen examples on over 500hp on stock GZE internals 😳
The 2JZ-GTE are also a unique engine and you HAVE TO make a video of that 😉
You should also consider BMW straight sixes and the 5 cyllinder AUDI engine from the Group B Quattro 😋
Big fan of you and your 86 resto 😏
Vid new video comming soon 😊
Really enjoyed the video. 3S-GE/GTE video would be great to see !