7.3 is a huge upgrade from the 6.2 I traded in. Zero need for a diesel for what I use it for. (Towing landscaping trailer and plowing snow). Payload on the 7.3 was about 800lbs more than the similar spec’d 6.7 I looked at as well. (Both XLT trim levels) My 250 7.3 is rated at 14,700lbs towing with the 3.55 and 3050lbs payload. Perfect truck for my particular needs.
Yeah, and I do so much in-town short trips and a short commute of 8 miles, so I think in the long run is have less issues with the emissions components on the 7.3 since I seldom get the truck out on the highway for any length of time, maybe once every two weeks, and tow an open car trailer once a month. The new 7.3 has me thinking since I have such niche needs. 🧐👍
Recently towed 32,000 lb trailer from Phoenix to SLC with 2018 F-350 SRW 6.2L gasser. Two weeks later towed same load of 32,000 lbs with 2018 F-350 SRW 6.7 Diesel from Vermont to SLC. The diesel pulls amazingly. Though never underestimate the capability of the 6.2L. It gets up to speed a bit slower but gets the job done. The majority of 6.7’s on the road will never have the opportunity to tow this much weight. Very happy with both.
@@SoonerMikeD even with pin weight, yeah, he was recklessly over capacity for the 6.2 SRW gasser (by nearly double). Only slightly over capacity for the 6.7 SRW powerstroke
I keep my trucks for 250K+ miles and the thought of out-of-warranty repair costs on these modern diesels sends shivers down my spine. I’ll stick with a big simple gasser.
Fair enough! We'll see how both of these do long term in a few years as severe use drivers will rack up the mileage and share their experiences with maintenance.
Agree! You can replace the entire 7.3 engine twice for the cost of an injection pump replacement out of warranty on the 6.7 . The 6.7 DPF/DOC cost the same as an entire 7.3 engine job.
I need to test drive a 7.3, but where I see the real benefit of this newer generation "gasser" is the 10 speed auto. Traditionally gas engines have always suffered when towing from the big gaps in the gearing, meaning you can't pull one gear and then have the shift down, "screaming" the engine in the lower gear. If you have enough gears to keep the gas engine revving mildly to produce power in the "sweet spot" under all conditions, it should be a much more refined and effective towing rig and give better fuel mileage too. It will never match a turbo diesel, but can still be refined and effective for those who don't tow massive loads.
I got the 7.3 and love it. My trailer only weighs 1000 pounds and it pulls it like it’s not even back there. I wish I got better gas mileage but that’s the trade-off. I love that it will tow 15,000 pounds and I can upgrade to a fifth wheel next time.
I just recently picked up a 19 Lariat with 6.7 diesel and I absolutely love it. I'm averaging 17.5 mpg with a mix of city/highway driving. When I give it the fuel it launches! I towed my old 2010 F250 XLT 800 miles on a flatbed and got over 15 mpg. I wouldn't buy anything else!
I can’t imagine buying disposable gasoline monster. These modern diesels have most problems worked out and and diesel torque,operating rpm and fuel economy is incompatible with unjustifiable giant size gasoline.
I’m a diesel fan but Diesel engines have gotten very complicated especially since the introduction of EGR and DEF and I’ve heard they’re not quite as trouble free and durable as they used to be. 7.3 all day for me
I just replaced my 6.7 L Powerstroke at just under 40K miles for $16,000!! Thank goodness for the warranty. I decided to unload the diesel and bought a new 2022 F-350 King Ranch and went with the Godzilla. The new diesels are getting killed because of the emissions constraints.
There's no doubt that emissions standards are a big problem with the overall reliability for these engines. Definitely good you had the warranty, but hopefully the new truck with the gas engine will work out well for you!
Always fun to see the same arguments on youtube as on ford forums. The same conclusion is almost always reached, if you need to tow some heavy loads, and do so regularly, you're going to want the diesel. It WILL cost more over the life of the vehicle, but realistically if you own a diesel you're probably using it to make money. Anyone who owns a diesel and doesn't use that truck to do any real work is wasting money. Countless discussions, almost always the same outcome.
Agreed, and the arguments will never end either. You'll always have two camps rooted firmly in either fuel type, until we get the third option of all-electric. I can see that group of truck buyers also being very opinionated about their drivetrain choice.
I ran the numbers before buying my 6.7. Diesel maintenance is higher, fuel prices vary a lot, and gas vs. Diesel sometimes swap place for which is more expensive. Factoring all these, the cost savings are pretty much negligible. Even optimistically, it can take 400k+ to 500k miles before breakeven. One variable in cost DURING ownership is whether or not the gas engine will need to be rebuilt and its cost. Some articles state that the 6.2 can last 500k miles before rebuilding is necessary, and the 7.3's life should surpass that of the 6.2. Most people will replace their truck before then. This means a savings likely will not be realized DURING ownership However, savings with Diesels are more likely to be realized if they're calculated AFTER selling it because Diesel trucks fare much better in holding their value. I did not pay the cost premium with either selling it or savings in mind. The effortless ease with which the Diesel can tow trailers weighing much more than the truck itself, and do so with the engine RPM loafing, warranted getting it.
Our 7.3L diesel Excursion is 20 yrs old. Yet much better eng for a daily driver than Ford lesser choices bk then. The 5.4L3v Triton or V-10. My 7.3L 20 yr old diesel gets leaps & bounds better fuel econ. regardless of towing or not vs wt#. Our '96 Dodge 12V 1 ton Dually also gets fantastic mileage. 20+ mpg if u drive sensible. Ford 7.3L diesel in Heavy Excursion gets better mileage than my F150 thats several yrs newer. To say diesels are only good for making a living ...although true at its core. Is not without some variants to that catch phrase. Our old diesels dont use DEF & can be Emissions deleted in our area, but no need on these models built in '02 (Ford) & '96 for Dodge 1 ton - w/ZERO Computers & no eng management. Good mpg if u dont flog it. Took Ford a while to get F150's to the same mpg #'s vs either of these diesels. The cost of maintenance is more. Im excited to put historical plates on my '96 12V dually in January of 2021. As for the new 7.3L Gad-zooks-zilla. For most folks it will be better choice than the 'Kerosene Spreader' using DEF & such. Gotta say thou. The 6.7s now are actually very pwrful yet almost to quiet for me. I prefer some eng roar to stereo sound on shorter trips true town. Nothing I luv more than Ripping my 50th Anniversary '19 Bullitt Stang w/Active Exh. in Track Mode on city streets of our local twns. Makes an old guy feel young again. Now if Ford follows thru & puts this talked about 6.8L variant of the 7.3L Godzilla in some Mustang variants in next few yrs??. That will be something we will all wanna test drive or see reviews on. 414"+ cubic inches in a Mustang?? I smell a 429 "Super Cobra Jet" Badged car coming. I THINK calling it a "Boss 429" might be a stretch w/o a center plug head but kids today, Adults even.. Wouldnt know any difference what the Eng Design is vs its badged name plate while ghosting the past. Im cool w/either a Boss 9 car or a SCJ big block badged Mustang. Wife will never go for having both Bullitt & a 6.8L Zilla Stang in our stable. Since she cuts checks on all the insurance/property taxes on my 8+insured veh's we drive between 2 of us. I wrk from hm now. She drives only 10 miles. Jist glad Ford finally built a decent truck eng since thats avail as crate eng w/ numerous possibilities we havnt seen since the 429/460s of decades past. Buying the crate 7.3L Zilla from Ford @ $7800 & swapping into a '15+ S550 Stang thats would possibly be a more cost effective solution than a new $50k deal. Zilla might turn out to be bigger hit in a Mustang than a Super Duty? Lets hope!
Wasting money is a moot point, we all waste money one way or another. Going out to a restaurant and spending $50 for a meal you could have made at home for $15, is wasting money. I know food vs a truck isn't a fair comparison, but regarding wasting money, it holds. Some people buy what they need and some buy what they want. It's a waste of money in general for a lot of people who buy trucks these days. A lot of people don't tow and have 0 use for a truck, yet they have one,
We have a small family business and have always used Ford heavy duty trucks. Have a 10’ f550 with the 6.4 which didn’t make it to 100,000 miles before having a brand new motor...and the replacement motor was worse than the original. Had a number of 250’s, two with the v10(gutless, DRANK fuel like crazy). Two 6.0’s which were pretty reliable to be honest. Then we got a 2011 6.7 and that was my favorite truck I ever owned. Never let me down, had an EGR valve go bad around 100k miles, other than that no major problems...that motor is fantastic for efficiency, but has the guts when you need it. Ended up trading that truck for a 2015 6.7 and again, never had any issues with the truck, still driving it today, has been 173k and change on it. We also have two work truck trim 250’s with the 6.2 and they are great, but are bad on fuel, so my point is, the 7.3 looks great but for what we do, it more tha. Likely would get the same fuel mileage as the old v10’s. No sense in getting rid of the 6.2 and upgrading to a motor that’s worse on fuel. We pull recycling trailers, and the diesel is king for several reasons, mainly the stop and go abuse they can take, and still remain somewhat efficient for what they’re doing. I can average 8.5-10 mpg pulling a trailer around town for recycling day pickup, and still have plenty of fuel left at the end of the day. When we used to do the same job with the previous trucks, especially the gassers, we would fuel right after lunchtime, like clockwork. The gas option looks great but the diesel is still king when it comes to serious towing.
Glad to hear you've got one that's working out for you, and sorry to hear about the 6.4L that you had problems with, never fun having to deal with issues on a newer vehicle.
For what it's worth, I upgraded from an '11 powerstroke to a '20 7.3. I get the same mpg now as I did with the diesel. 12.5 towing, 16-17 unloaded, and I tow a 10,000# inclosed daily. I work and live in the mountains of N. Utah so there's a lot up, and down. The power pulling is seriously indistinguishable between the two, but the '20 does is much smoother about it.
Agreed! I mean when you add it all up that $8,000-ish premium over the gas is a lot. If I wanted a work truck that just needed a good haul rating I'd get the gas and sacrifice that sweet turbo whistle.
I love my husband's old 7.3 diesel I asked him if he would like a new 7.3 if they made it diesel again and he said no because it was good way back but now there's all the computers on it and all new things. 6.7 diesel is what we have now too and we love it , its our baby we do alot with it
Those older F-250/F-350s are worth quite a bit now, the OBS from the mid 90s are going up in price slowly. Even higher-mileage F-250s with the Power Stroke from 95-96 are asking upwards of $10,000 CAD out here. I'd hold onto it if I were him!
@@firstamendmenttshirt4768 lmao 2 different worlds of trucks buddy. funny theres tons of older 250s out on the road. i actually used to drive an 03 f250 5spd with the 5.4 and while it wasnt fast that truck was reliable and outlasted 3 2013 2500hds in our fleet pulling a freezer unit in the bed loaded up wall to wall with product.
It does not have more torque... the godzilla 7.3 has 475 lb ft of torque. The 7.3 powerstroke had 500-525 lb ft of torque. At least in the super duty trucks (99-03).
@@djntqd an extra $7-10k can get the Godzilla supercharged from 5star tuning. Depends on what tune you run, it puts out 700-1000hp and 600-900 ft lb torque. It’s not as torquey as the 6.7psd, but definitely enough for most folks. I’ll absolutely buy a diesel vehicle if they build it the way prior 2002. Modern diesel is a headache if you don’t make money off it.
Not a peep about maintenance cost. Look at cost of fuel in conjunction with maintenance cost. Even with an mpg defecit in the gas motor and taking into account higher resale value, the gas makes more sense for me. If you're always hooked to a gooseneck/5th wheel or pintle trailer most of the time, buy the diesel. If you recreationally tow RV/boats and dont really tow too heavy, the gas wins.
@@gonz073 is it tho? I’ve never owned a diesel and went with the 7.3 bc of comments like yours. But after getting the truck I’m learning the oil changes are only 100-150 more than gas. That’s nothing all things considered…
I owned a 20 F350 crew cab Lariat long bed with the 7.3. By far the best gas engine I have ever had. Going from an 18 F250 with a 6.2, it was easy to compare the two. Well, there is no comparison. The 7.3 outperforms the 6.2 in every way, especially with the 10 speed transmission. I bought a 21 F350 Dually 6.7 because I bought a heavy 5th wheel. What a monster of a motor and the side to side stability is fantastic. I think the 7.3 would be fine up to a maximum payload of 13-14K. Anything over that and you’ll need the diesel. The amazing thing about the Powerstroke is how quickly it accelerates with all that torque. There is no hesitation while the turbo spools up like my 13 6.7, and that was a great motor too. Instant launch and it’s always in the right gear. The exhaust brake is really nice too.
I ordered mine yesterday, I went f250 V10 in 09 then to RAM and now Tundra. I'm glad to be going back to F250 and I think Tremor will hold it's value. I might just order a new truck every winter and sell mine. I think long term the truck will cost 300 per month to own. I made money on all my trucks selling them after 18 month and under 20k miles.
difference between a 7.3 and 6.7 is cost. Nevermind price for upgrading diesel. Nope. The maintenance and added built-in cost of operating these dieselbois is higher, parts are more expensive. The plugs cost more, more complex internals like a water-fuel separator, governors, the jets, and emissions. The injectors cost more, the trans cost more, and if it breaks down. Unless you know someone who knows diesels or you are certified. You gonna have to take it to a specialist for repairs. And those repairs cost money!!!!$$$$ Then you gotta pay to fill up DEF, anything DEF-related is not cheap, oh and if it breaks, it bricks your whole truck! Not to mention fuel. Fuel prices does vary alot more than gas. And usually costs more. Also diesel doesnt always get the best quality-control. And neither do gas stations. Very easy to get a bad batch of diesel. With 7.3........ You get none of those things..... Gasoline is the larger domestic product in the petrol market. You are more than likely to find gasoline than diesel. But. Most important. Less problems, less issues with warranty. Also less problems in the cold. It takes up to -50 below 0 in order for gasoline to get "slushy", diesel becomes jello at 0 degrees. And syrupy at 30. Of course. Diesel still has alot of benefits. But for the average schmuck like me. It would be more hassle than it is worth.
Def is 1.25 a gallon at the pump and I use about 20 gallons a year and the truck tows 15k miles a year. Had about 15 def diesels and had issues with none.
@@connorahlers3468 cool story kid. Until you look at the repair bill for ONE diesel and you will quickly realize why gas is superior. Even small problems cost thousands of dollars and a diesel engine itself costs 12-15k+ Gas engines. Even as big as a 7.3 doesnt even cost that much rofl.
I have ran a crane and heavy haul business for 10 years. I’ve seen more “big” diesel repair bills than most I’d imagine. I’m also telling you back when we ran 8.1’s and 454 1tons we went through transmissions and rear ends like tires. To each their own but for people that make money using these trucks it’s always going to be a diesel. The average consumer wants to know what’s better for them in the long run is what this is about. I am just simply letting you know that this point you’ve made is just that, your own.
I'm thinking of going for the 7.3 Godzilla, after years of running diesels with the high running costs of fuel filters and the threat of out of warranty repairs along with the higher cost of fuel I'm starting to wonder if the relaxed towing of the diesel is really worth all the other negatives that the expensive emission systems brings for the long term owner.
@@brandonjohnson7851 I too get my filters from eBay, but I still wouldn't call them cheap and then there are a lot of owners that don't do their own maintenance then the costs at the dealership are other world crazy.
In the US diesel generally cost about $.20 to $.40 more per gallon. It will take a while to make up the cost differential of the diesel engine option over the 7.3L gas version. I've talked to several 6.7L diesel engine Ford owners and while they do get "good" mpg, its not as significant as you portend it to be. What was not addressed in you video is the maintenance cost of a diesel versus a gas engine truck. Routine oil changes for both are a normal procedure but the cost of oil filters for the diesel are significantly higher than the gas engine. There other "hidden" cost for a 6.7L diesel like fuel filters and the labor cost to remove it from the fuel tank, etc. If hauling a trailer with heavy equipment or loads frequently is your thing, then by all means go diesel. If you are hauling a camping trailer twice or three times a year and it falls within the towing limits of the 7.3L gas engine, it makes no sense economically to buy the diesel engine. You will unlikely ever recoup the cost differential between the diesel and gas engines.
That's very true that you likely won't get the fuel savings back with the diesel. It's something we've discussed several times on our show when talking about diesels, specifically when we did the Chevy Cruze diesel and Mazda CX-5 diesel. You also need to factor in the cost of DEF, and the repairs associated with it if they fail. Normally the types of people getting into a brand-new truck are leasing them for 2-3 years, so overall maintenance costs aren't as big of a problem, but 5-10 years down the road they will certainly add up for the second or third buyers.
90% of diesel owners don't need them whatsoever, but this is America where you get to do what you want no matter how bad of a financial decision that may be!
I have a 21 f350 diesel and absolutely love it. It gets great mileage and it laughs at towing 30,000 lbs I have had 0 problems with it and have 150,000 miles on it now. I have also towed the same exact load with a 21 ram 3500 with the ho Cummins. My f350 hauls it easier and gets over 7000 miles, 4mpg better mileage I think the Ford Is comfortable also.
DEF fluid. 12.2mpg in my 2016. 11k premium in price. Higher priced fuel. Oil changes $70 more. Fuel filter changes at $100. I'm kind of over the diesel. I may eat my words but I'm willing to try it a few years.
Great review. The old 6.2 is such a dependable engine. Hopefully the new gas 7.3 continues that tradition. It is a fine middle ground between the fantastic turbo and 6.2. If you don’t need super towing capability, 7.3 is a fine compromise. Turbo diesel 6.7 is a fine engine, just remember maintenance and repair of diesel is much more expensive than a gas engine. Also curious they went with pushrod design instead of a overhead cam Coyote, I guess for more power at lower RPM.
LF X You do realize a 4-valve version of this 7.3 would shit on the pushrod 7.3 version at every RPM point right? Low end torque is thanks to the displacement. Ford went pushrod on the 7.3 because it’s cheaper, period.
Key deciding points for me are cost and features. Def can lead a man stranded out in the middle of nowhere. However, the powerstrokes have optional engine breaking on top of tow haul mode and trailer breaks. The saying is, if you haul all the time get the diesel. Which makes sense. I doubt the gas has an engine break. Would be good to haul a camper or the occasional load for work or whatever. But some features are really nice to have than not
I have a diesel truck to tow my 5th wheel and will never (break even) on the cost of the diesel I have it because I like it just buy what you like as long as it is safe
Big back the 7.3 diesel my goodness that was the best engine. My uncle had 1 from the 90's and we couldn't kill it. The wheels, suspension went out way before the engine matter of fact when he got rid of it it only needed about $3,000 worth of work what suspension and the rear end
@@karlsracing8422 Yeah the 7.3L gas engine probably is but it hasn't been out long enough to know. The 6.7L diesel however is the complete opposite of expensive to maintain. Its not even broke in until 150k miles.
Flag Ov Hate honestly have you put an actual number on the expense difference? I’m tired of seeing these videos comparing the 7.3 to 6.7. Of course the 6.7 is moderately expansive to maintain it takes 13 quarts of oil. Don’t buy a diesel if you don’t want the slightly higher cost for a ton more power.
knock on wood, I reckon, but I literally have not seen where the diesel is "so expensive" to maintain. 99% of the issues on a diesel are fuel system ... or now that DPF power-robbing/cost-increasing to operate apparatus. those coil packs aren't cheap on the gasser. 75K-100K ... replacing those costs more than the 2nd battery of the diesel. $500 for a danged "tune up" treat yer turbo properly (cool down before shutdown) and the diesel is superior in every way. It IS amazing none of the big 3 have an electric oil pump to prevent coking. They're not cost prohibitive, especially for a mass production. But that'd violate the prime directive of "designed obsolescence."
If I got a new F250 it would be the godzilla. The 6.7 is a great engine but can get expensive to repair and deleting the emissions isn't always a plausible option. Plus the last 6.7 work truck I had couldn't break 13.9mpg no matter how I drove it 2017 F250 platinum crew cab 4x4.
Crazy thing is it's new and improved and listed as a modern big block and it has the most hp and torque of any other HD truck available now and my 02 2500hd chevy 8.1 has 30 more lb torque factory lol! Now my old truck is still on the road and farm each day and I have put a cold air intake, tb spacer, long tube headers, cat delete and full dual exhaust and a mild programmer so id at 210,000 miles my truck has currently, id say it still produces around 450hp at the fly and probably 580 to 600lb torque. My dad has one of these new gasser ford's and that 8.1 will overthrow that truck on every level besides comfort and economy lol! I also have a 2012 duramax that I absolutely love but I'd still pick gasoline over any diesel simply because of maintenance costs, cold starts and the carefulness when purchasing diesel fuel if driven everyday ofcourse without extreme heavy loads.
The Big Three have been racing upwards for more power, more towing, and ultimately more bragging rights on these trucks for a very long time now. It seems like every year one of them takes the lead in terms of numbers.
Price of diesel, DEF, regular (expensive) maintenance, upfront purchase cost, and when you start having emission problems and you will. It's hugely expensive and hardly worth it... You can buy lots of gasoline with the money you will save with the 7.3 gasser.
Towing with the diesel is a walk in the park compared to the high revving gasser and the added bonus of 25-30% increase in fuel economy. Here diesel is only .10 higher than gas!
Ha odd. Diesel has been within 10 cents around here for the last year or so....my diesel (deleted) gets 19.5 as compared to my eco boost 12.5. Oil changes aren’t that much more expensive if you buy in bulk as we do on the farm 🤷♂️ haven’t had a single issue on a 17 6.7 with 82000 bought new. I’ve had the f150 in for several small bugs. As for the 7.3 the gas mileage on that will be even worse making my 19.5 city avg that much better
@@bustersharman8115 Sign up with a diesel discount card and you can get diesel for .10-.20 cents/gallon UNDER gas prices.. Two days ago I filled up and it cost me $1.86/gallon for diesel..
As a long time diesel owner I am always confused when I hear some of these arguments against diesel. Over all cost of fuel you probably breaking even as the diesel get much better mileage - non issue. Maintenance cost aren't that much higher like some would want you to believe, I pay $101 (US) for and oil change and tire rotation from the dealer and occasional fuel filters - to me it's a non issue. DEF is another non issue that probably cost about a $.01 per gallon of fuel. And no, not everybody has emissions problems. Yes they are expensive and I'm on my third diesel (2nd with modern emissions) and still love them. And someday when you decide to trade her in for the next truck whether it be gas or diesel you will get a much higher trade in value getting the majority of that premium back. And for those of us who tow heavy, how can you put a price on the enjoyment of stress free towing that the gas won't? Some people are ok with high revving engines, i'm not one of them. Another benefit is you have a much longer towing range with diesel and you can use the truck stops for fuel which beats trying to find a gas station with a 40' rig behind you.
One big issue is cost of repairs once out of warranty. Ten grand buys a lot of gas also. I have a gas burner and pulled the Rockies with a 5 ton trailer, got 9.7 MPG and didnt have any issues with it. YOU, the buyer have to decide what is best for you. In some areas diesel prices at the pump are crazy high and others, almost as cheap as gas. My neighbor had to replace a pump and sensor and cost him right at $1500.00 to do it with most of that labor.
Seriously I love these comments that unless your towing the Queen Mary you should not get a diesel blah blah blah. Using that logic there would be no reason to ever buy something simply because you enjoy the tactile feel and experience. I am guessing the vast majority of truck owners dont need a truck but they own one because they enjoy driving one. A diesel is often the same, if you love the sound and tactile feel of driving one that is enough reason. But the fact that 1K plus torque is sure to bring a smile to your face when you need to pull or haul that is a bonus. Gas or diesel whatever floats your boat. I see boats that costs millions and could likely circumnavigation the continent but never go beyond sight of land. You only live once and if the Godzilla or a Powerstroke makes even one day better I say go for it.
People are very opinionated when it comes to pickup trucks. Same is true between brands or generations of trucks. At the end of the day you should buy what you need, not buy something based on what other people tell you is 'right' for themselves.
I had as of Sunday morning a nice 2003. Ford f 150, 4wheel drive, w titan motor and all the bells and whistles..until a Semi. Took him from me...a little rust. But ran like a top..lots of get up and go... im looking at a 1999 super duty xlt.. diesel... ya it's a monster.. but price is the issue..and safety...my Truck saved my life..
I'm not a mechanic, so here's couple questions. I hear the 7.3 gas can be modded with superchargers, turbos, etc. That can really increase hp but what about torque? Also, don't those mods void your warranty? And by the time you spend all the money to get more hp & torque, why not just buy a diesel that already has it?
Any additions to either engine would void the warranty, but there certainly is potential with the 7.3L gas engine to improve it with the use of turbos or a supercharger. I know some examples exist out there, but adding more power through boost likely won't do much to improve the towing capacity, and as you mentioned your warranty will be void meaning you're on the hook for any issues.
Typically gasoline engines weigh less, meaning that weight can be used for hauling. We go into detail on this on a video we produced last year called Beginner’s Guide to Heavy Duty Pickup Trucks, if a truck has a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000lbs and weighs 7,500 lbs you’re left with a haul rating of 2,500lbs.
the price difference between the 7.3 and the diesel isn't as much as everyone things. TRUE the diesel costs 10,500 CAD more, BUT the 7.3 costs 2,250. therefore the diesel costs 8,000 and change more.
New owner here soon,, And first time diesel owner, Ordered a 2022 F 350 XLT Trim 6.7 Powerstroke changed to 3:55 gears, 10 speed transmission, full trailer package, waiting for delivery, I will be towing a 2018 25 ft 5th wheel, part time, and driving to work from BC to AB which is about 400kms ish, maybe more, going from a 150 2019 XLT 5.0 L, The 150 had the trailer package but the numbers itself on paper said it could haul that 5th wheel, but once hooked up and partially full,, ,,,EMPTY TANKS,, it was ok on level roads but once climbing hills,, just lost it and no power and RPM maxed out, very hard on the truck, So the F 350 will be driven mostly HWY miles, so I am going to ask what is the best advice to keep this Truck running good and hopefully trouble free, and also the best Oil to use as I have been reading that the Shell T6 Rotella full synthetic is the best option, I am very picky about doing my maintenence on my vehicles and do not bag on them,,, I appreciate any advice given,,,,Not a option to do any deletes at this time due to Warranty, Thank you all for your help
Hopefully I'll have some advice for you shortly down the road, as I'm going to be working a lot closer with these Super Duties moving forward! Either way enjoy your purchase once it arrives!
I have a 2016 F250 XLT with a 6.7 and 70,000 miles, paid $47,000 new. Just got offered $45,000 for from my local dealer to buy it. Try that with a gas burner.
Not bad at all! The supply shortage on new vehicles is forcing dealers to pay more for used vehicles. It's great to make a good return on selling, but if you also have to buy a new vehicle it's not ideal.
I'm a bigger guy like you and I'm 6'1.5" tall. When you were sitting in the Platinum F250, did you feel like you were squashed up against the center floor console and the door and side pillar? Or was it plenty wide enough for you? I usually sit with with my legs spread quite far apart and hate being crushed up against center floor consoles and up against the door and side pillar. Many times my head will hit the roof too. I guess I just need to get to a dealership and sit in one of these to see how comfortable I would hopefully be. Please let me know. Thanks ! 🤓
Definitely wide enough for me. Space on the modern pickup trucks is excellent. I'd still recommend trying it out for yourself as everyone has a different fit, but I was very comfortable in the Super Duty.
I mounted a Rajay turbo on a small block Chevy. It added power and torque. But, YIKES!. Even with the addition of a larger water radiator and the addition of an engine oil radiator, the engine oil temperature was much higher, as was the under-hood temperature. I also installed braided stainless hoses to be safe.
@@mustangman4291980 In stock form, there is only a 45 HP difference between the 7.3 and 6.7. The addition of a turbo on the 7.3 would easily yield more HP than a stock 6.7. But it will never touch the 6.7's torque. So WHY would someone do this? Most people don't buy a pickup truck for drag racing. Furthermore, the cost of adding an aftermarket turbo, control systems to compensate for boost conditions, higher flow fuel pumps and additional cooling, will largely nullify the cost savings for having bought a gas engine. So, why would someone add a turbo for towing purposes? Lastly, adding an aftermarket turbo to the 7.3 will void the warranty, GREATLY reduce the number of shops that can service it in the event of a breakdown on the road, will pose headaches when trying to pass emission tests, and will REDUCE resale value (most buyers and dealerships are uninterested in buying vehicles which are substantially modified). I installed a turbo on a Camaro. It was a lot of fun. But I just don't see its function on today's pickup trucks, traveling long distances, to remote places, and towing good size trailers. For the truck's intended purpose, I want reliability, ease of maintenance, ease of service in the event of an issue, and ready parts availability should service be needed. All these attributes are best found in a stock engine.
When buying a new truck, if you’re wanting bang for the buck, invest in a time machine. The huge number of bucks involved makes it nearly impossible to get enough bang to matter.
As a ford owner my only problem with my superdutys is ford really needs to relax on the plumbing even that 7.3 has a bowl of spaghetti poured on top of the engine
I remember hating Ford after owning a 80’ 5.8 bronco. There were vacuum and electrical lines going everywhere! And they all stopped at various little components that didn’t seem to do anything and continued on. It was a complete rats nest. My parents had a 96’ 5.7 suburban. Talk about a clean package under the hood! So so many less wires/lines going everywhere. I get they were 16 years apart but seeing under the hood of the 22’ 6.7 the rats nest is worse than my 80’ bronco…. The 7.3 has a lot going on too but it looks way better than the 6.7. I can’t imagine how expensive the 6.7 will be to to do work on…
Would a 7.3 with 4:3 gears be enough to help with my hill struggle? Or should I be looking at diesels in the future? 2017 350-Lariat 6.2L gas (3:73) that I like a lot (A LOT). Camper and towing package. It struggles on some hills towing my GD 32' trailer that's about 6300 loaded. My brother towed his 10k 5th wheel with his 2013 350 diesel ahead of me at 45-53mph while I'm dropping to 35-40 to keep it under 5k rpm. Worst hill was a 6-8% grade for a few miles. At home, we mostly drive short trips under 5 miles around town. Some trips over 30 miles 2-3 times per month and we tow 5-8 times per year for camping. Doubt we'll get a heavier trailer. Will go on longer trips. Most are under 180 miles so far. I agree with gas for hauling/diesel for towing school of thought, but hoping with the low amount of towing we do, 7.3 gas is better suited to us.
I'd say the diesel would probably work out better with the torque, but TFLtruck does some excellent trailer testing and I believe they've done some specifically with the two Super Duty engines over the past year or so.
You shouldnt be having any trouble going up hills with that. You gotta let it rev. The engine is designed to rev if you give her throttle and just drive it will handle the rpms and you wont drop speed. I have a gd travel trailer that is 7500 lbs and have no issues at all climbing mountains. Deffinatly not running at only 35 or 40 mph
Depends on your area. Here in Quebec diesel prices have fluctuated quite a bit. During 2020 the price didn’t go down, but near the end of the year it was a bit cheaper than regular gas. Now it’s a bit more than regular gas.
10,500 bucks upgrade from the gas. Do you know how much gas you can buy with 10,500 bucks you save. From my math with price in America which is 1.95 dollars that is 205 gallons. For the amount i drive that would hold me over for years.
Yeah it’s a lot of fuel, if I had the chance to take this 7.3L gas on our 100km test loop I would have had some numbers to go with to give an idea on fuel cost savings. We try to do it anytime a vehicle offers a more efficient option, for example when we did the Mazda CX-5 diesel, it just isn’t cost effective to spend the $5,000 premium on that car as you’ll never make that back in fuel savings.
@@danielevancho2274 that correct. I was paying bills, commenting on UA-cam, and on toilet figuring out how can i get apple juice from a lemon. All off of this pull 13.5 hour at the job, but still thats a truck load of fuel literally.
problems with the powerstroke? That aren't related to emissions??? I doubt it. I've had two (7.3 and 6.7) know dozens with PSDs (except 6.0 (late 03-07) guys, we don't associate with them! LOL) ... no engine problems. The cab did need removing when I installed ceramic manifolds and 4" exhaust on the 7.3 ... but that was EASIER that stabbing an eng/trans back into the chassis. Literally 20 minutes 6 body bolts, handful of canon plugs, park brake cable, and steering shaft. BAM.
I haven't had any issues with the press trucks I've driven so far, I will say that the transmission can get a little lost if you're cruising then decide to hammer the throttle, however it's typical with these larger transmissions. We have a viewer who bought a 2019 F-150 Limited with the 10 speed and so far he hasn't had any problems!
I can't speak for Ford but my company switched to gas burner completely, you'll find 10yr old 2500hd Silverado with 300k plus miles pulling 12,000lb excavators but we don't have a single diesel truck more than 3 years old that hadn't had an entire rebuild.
If running costs are a factor and given that it's $10,000 more for the oil burner, and the Godzilla uses for fuel, how many kms do you need to drive in the Godzilla before you've spent $10,000 more in fuel than you would have in the diesel or how many kms in the diesel will it take before you've saved $10,000 in fuel over the Godzilla? Also, how much is a turbo or supercharger and what would that do for the Godzilla?
Great questions, the turbo option would be interesting to see however I believe there are a number of aftermarket options already for it. As for the cost of fuel over time, that's going to be key. We did a similar cost comparison a year ago when we featured the Ford Explorer Hybrid, it would take you about 8 years to make back the difference in fuel savings by spending the extra $5k on the hybrid. Let's use Wheels.ca's testing on the fuel economy, they got 13.6L/100km in the PowerStroke, 19.3L/100km with the 7.3L Gas engine. (www.wheels.ca/car-reviews/first-drive-2020-ford-super-duty/) The average cost as of typing this for fuel in my town, in Quebec Canada is $1,33.9 for diesel, and $1,34.1 for regular. Let's say you drive both trucks for 100,000kms, you'd spend $18,210.40 for diesel for that distance, $25,881.30 for regular fuel. So to make back the $10,000 price difference on these numbers you'd have to drive about 150,000km.
185K trouble free miles on my Ford 6.7..had a couple EGT sensors fail when it was new and still under warranty...other than that the 6.7 has been great...after towing trailers with a gas truck and having a gas RV vs. towing a 5th wheel with my diesel, I will never buy a gas truck again...so nice not to have to listen to a gas motor screaming it's heart out trying to climb a hill 10 MPH slower than my diesel...
I really appreciate that, thank you! I haven't personally reached out to any larger outlets, I've been pretty happy with the work I'm doing as a solo producer but who knows what's in store for the future.
@@mbmpablo3631 I've only towed the big U-Haul packed full of stuff so idk how much that weighed but on the highway from CO to KY we still got 15 mpg according to the truck. I haven't got my ranch operation going yet which is what the main towing job will be in the future
PRN_TestDrive Seams ironic, Canada hails from Great Britain as we do, and they use standard weights and measures, so when did Canada go off the rails? Also, I’m sure your analytics show America is the greater audience, it is funny though in your video you talk about towing in pounds no kilos. Good video though. Be safe buddy
Minus cost and let's say job site needs(working somewhere were fuel is provided) Is their any logical reason to get a gas engine versus diesel in a HD truck? More low end torque and more torque over all. Better idle fuel efficiency. Sound is barely a factor anymore. You get engine braking. You could argue weight I guess but overall you are only talking few percentage of overall weight.
Love big Diesels but as others have said the modern Diesels are a money pit. Unless I needed to tow Mount Rushmore I’d save 10 grand and get the 7.3: big understressed atmo V8 should not cause any problems rather than all those that complicated injector, emissions stuff on the Diesel which when they go pop will bankrupt you or just lease one i guess if you must have the Diesel.
Seems to be the sentiment for a lot more people these days. The gas engines have come along way in the past decade, for what most people need out of these trucks the gas would work out fine.
Unfortunately from a numbers and practicality standpoint in a 3/4 ton f-250 the 7.3 is the majority of the time be a better buy for most people. A 6.7 will be more expensive to buy, have more expensive maintenance, more heavily taxed at the diesel pump for corrupt government pollution taxes, and wouldn’t really make sense unless you plan on towing 10k or more on a daily basis for years on end. I guess hotshot guys it would make sense, however all those guys buy 1 ton dually’s so they can tow more weight to make more money. Ram, Chevy, and Ford will start gradually steer away from the 3/4 ton diesel market and invest their diesels in the 1 ton and greater applications. Ram for example has been doing it for awhile with their diesels putting the cheap crappy components on the 3/4 tons and putting the quality components on the 1 tons and up. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ford and Chevy follow in Rams footsteps for greater profit margins especially since Biden is now in office. Enjoy Ford F series trucks right now while their in their absolute prime and buy one if you have the money. It won’t last forever, I think the 3/4 diesel will be the first application to be kicked to the curb by the manufacturers in the up coming years.
2022 7.3. I tuna trucking company and tow a goose neck hear and there. And I lay enough in diesel on my 18 wheelers. Just not feasible on a pickup. Especially not with repair cost. Godzilla has plenty of power.
The gasser is fine if ya only tow medium stuff a few times/year.. But pulling my 19K 5er needs that diesel. My 2020 F-450 6.7 pulls my toy hauler with ease (4:30 rears).. Last long trip with the camper I got 9 mpg overall. That gas engine would have been somewhere in the 5-6 mpg category.. Maybe..
Diesel is definitely the way to go for towing, it's why Ford only offers the Power Stroke for the F-450 as we featured a couple weeks after this video went live.
I don't think Ford is going to get rid of the 6.7 power stroke you're just improve the engine to be up date with a mission standards along with the 7.3 Godzilla do improve the engine is the years go by but Ford motor company could add hydrogen electric engine already all electric F150 when they decide to make F250 Super Duty all electric pick up truck
7.3 is a huge upgrade from the 6.2 I traded in. Zero need for a diesel for what I use it for. (Towing landscaping trailer and plowing snow). Payload on the 7.3 was about 800lbs more than the similar spec’d 6.7 I looked at as well. (Both XLT trim levels) My 250 7.3 is rated at 14,700lbs towing with the 3.55 and 3050lbs payload. Perfect truck for my particular needs.
Glad to hear it! Definitely get more hauling with the gas, the diesel weighs a tonne!
Yeah, and I do so much in-town short trips and a short commute of 8 miles, so I think in the long run is have less issues with the emissions components on the 7.3 since I seldom get the truck out on the highway for any length of time, maybe once every two weeks, and tow an open car trailer once a month. The new 7.3 has me thinking since I have such niche needs. 🧐👍
Sounds like a nice truck !
Just test drove one and I can’t agree more
Hey, what was the payload and towing capacity on your 6.2? How about mpg difference? Thanks.
Recently towed 32,000 lb trailer from Phoenix to SLC with 2018 F-350 SRW 6.2L gasser. Two weeks later towed same load of 32,000 lbs with 2018 F-350 SRW 6.7 Diesel from Vermont to SLC. The diesel pulls amazingly. Though never underestimate the capability of the 6.2L. It gets up to speed a bit slower but gets the job done. The majority of 6.7’s on the road will never have the opportunity to tow this much weight. Very happy with both.
Glad to hear it! I’d have liked to do some towing with these, it’s something I have as a long term goal for this show.
32000#s ?
HOLY SHEEET! How many lbs was that over the tow rating on that truck? Like 17,000?
@@SoonerMikeD even with pin weight, yeah, he was recklessly over capacity for the 6.2 SRW gasser (by nearly double). Only slightly over capacity for the 6.7 SRW powerstroke
@@sly9263 can a 6.2 srw gas truck really even move 32000 pounds???
I keep my trucks for 250K+ miles and the thought of out-of-warranty repair costs on these modern diesels sends shivers down my spine. I’ll stick with a big simple gasser.
Fair enough! We'll see how both of these do long term in a few years as severe use drivers will rack up the mileage and share their experiences with maintenance.
Agree! You can replace the entire 7.3 engine twice for the cost of an injection pump replacement out of warranty on the 6.7 . The 6.7 DPF/DOC cost the same as an entire 7.3 engine job.
My exact thought, even having worked for ford
Smart man.
In my mind Diesels are much better served by trading up every 5 years and always keeping them under warranty.
I need to test drive a 7.3, but where I see the real benefit of this newer generation "gasser" is the 10 speed auto. Traditionally gas engines have always suffered when towing from the big gaps in the gearing, meaning you can't pull one gear and then have the shift down, "screaming" the engine in the lower gear. If you have enough gears to keep the gas engine revving mildly to produce power in the "sweet spot" under all conditions, it should be a much more refined and effective towing rig and give better fuel mileage too. It will never match a turbo diesel, but can still be refined and effective for those who don't tow massive loads.
I got the 7.3 and love it. My trailer only weighs 1000 pounds and it pulls it like it’s not even back there. I wish I got better gas mileage but that’s the trade-off. I love that it will tow 15,000 pounds and I can upgrade to a fifth wheel next time.
Glad to hear it!
What is MPG?
@@txskid1 if you keep it at 65/70 16 mph. At 83 it gets 14.7. Highway
Of course it feels like a 1000 lb trailer isn’t there.. a Honda Civic can tow a 1000lb trailer.
@@Kben01 sorry missed a zero. 10k trailer.
I just recently picked up a 19 Lariat with 6.7 diesel and I absolutely love it. I'm averaging 17.5 mpg with a mix of city/highway driving. When I give it the fuel it launches! I towed my old 2010 F250 XLT 800 miles on a flatbed and got over 15 mpg. I wouldn't buy anything else!
Thats a 2nd gen 6.7. 2020 is third gen 6.7ps.
I can’t imagine buying disposable gasoline monster. These modern diesels have most problems worked out and and diesel torque,operating rpm and fuel economy is incompatible with unjustifiable giant size gasoline.
@@matbob7249 Try running a diesel when it's 45 below zero vs a gas engine.
@@dundonrl I won't go were it gets 45 below. Fuck that🌴🌴🌴
@@jamescrawford8121 Good money in North Dakota, but when it's 3 degrees it sure makes me miss Hawaii!
I’m a diesel fan but Diesel engines have gotten very complicated especially since the introduction of EGR and DEF and I’ve heard they’re not quite as trouble free and durable as they used to be. 7.3 all day for me
That's definitely true, and I think that's why the older diesels are still holding onto their value so well. OBS Super Duties are pretty expensive.
I've made so much coin off of dpf's over the years I'd never own one!
I just replaced my 6.7 L Powerstroke at just under 40K miles for $16,000!! Thank goodness for the warranty. I decided to unload the diesel and bought a new 2022 F-350 King Ranch and went with the Godzilla. The new diesels are getting killed because of the emissions constraints.
There's no doubt that emissions standards are a big problem with the overall reliability for these engines. Definitely good you had the warranty, but hopefully the new truck with the gas engine will work out well for you!
Always fun to see the same arguments on youtube as on ford forums. The same conclusion is almost always reached, if you need to tow some heavy loads, and do so regularly, you're going to want the diesel. It WILL cost more over the life of the vehicle, but realistically if you own a diesel you're probably using it to make money. Anyone who owns a diesel and doesn't use that truck to do any real work is wasting money. Countless discussions, almost always the same outcome.
Agreed, and the arguments will never end either. You'll always have two camps rooted firmly in either fuel type, until we get the third option of all-electric. I can see that group of truck buyers also being very opinionated about their drivetrain choice.
I ran the numbers before buying my 6.7. Diesel maintenance is higher, fuel prices vary a lot, and gas vs. Diesel sometimes swap place for which is more expensive. Factoring all these, the cost savings are pretty much negligible. Even optimistically, it can take 400k+ to 500k miles before breakeven.
One variable in cost DURING ownership is whether or not the gas engine will need to be rebuilt and its cost. Some articles state that the 6.2 can last 500k miles before rebuilding is necessary, and the 7.3's life should surpass that of the 6.2. Most people will replace their truck before then. This means a savings likely will not be realized DURING ownership
However, savings with Diesels are more likely to be realized if they're calculated AFTER selling it because Diesel trucks fare much better in holding their value.
I did not pay the cost premium with either selling it or savings in mind. The effortless ease with which the Diesel can tow trailers weighing much more than the truck itself, and do so with the engine RPM loafing, warranted getting it.
Our 7.3L diesel Excursion is 20 yrs old. Yet much better eng for a daily driver than Ford lesser choices bk then. The 5.4L3v Triton or V-10. My 7.3L 20 yr old diesel gets leaps & bounds better fuel econ. regardless of towing or not vs wt#. Our '96 Dodge 12V 1 ton Dually also gets fantastic mileage. 20+ mpg if u drive sensible. Ford 7.3L diesel in Heavy Excursion gets better mileage than my F150 thats several yrs newer. To say diesels are only good for making a living ...although true at its core. Is not without some variants to that catch phrase. Our old diesels dont use DEF & can be Emissions deleted in our area, but no need on these models built in '02 (Ford) & '96 for Dodge 1 ton - w/ZERO Computers & no eng management. Good mpg if u dont flog it. Took Ford a while to get F150's to the same mpg #'s vs either of these diesels. The cost of maintenance is more. Im excited to put historical plates on my '96 12V dually in January of 2021. As for the new 7.3L Gad-zooks-zilla. For most folks it will be better choice than the 'Kerosene Spreader' using DEF & such. Gotta say thou. The 6.7s now are actually very pwrful yet almost to quiet for me.
I prefer some eng roar to stereo sound on shorter trips true town. Nothing I luv more than Ripping my 50th Anniversary '19 Bullitt Stang w/Active Exh. in Track Mode on city streets of our local twns. Makes an old guy feel young again. Now if Ford follows thru & puts this talked about 6.8L variant of the 7.3L Godzilla in some Mustang variants in next few yrs??. That will be something we will all wanna test drive or see reviews on. 414"+ cubic inches in a Mustang?? I smell a 429 "Super Cobra Jet" Badged car coming. I THINK calling it a "Boss 429" might be a stretch w/o a center plug head but kids today, Adults even.. Wouldnt know any difference what the Eng Design is vs its badged name plate while ghosting the past. Im cool w/either a Boss 9 car or a SCJ big block badged Mustang. Wife will never go for having both Bullitt & a 6.8L Zilla Stang in our stable. Since she cuts checks on all the insurance/property taxes on my 8+insured veh's we drive between 2 of us. I wrk from hm now. She drives only 10 miles. Jist glad Ford finally built a decent truck eng since thats avail as crate eng w/ numerous possibilities we havnt seen since the 429/460s of decades past.
Buying the crate 7.3L Zilla from Ford @ $7800 & swapping into a '15+ S550 Stang thats would possibly be a more cost effective solution than a new $50k deal.
Zilla might turn out to be bigger hit in a Mustang than a Super Duty? Lets hope!
Wasting money is a moot point, we all waste money one way or another. Going out to a restaurant and spending $50 for a meal you could have made at home for $15, is wasting money. I know food vs a truck isn't a fair comparison, but regarding wasting money, it holds. Some people buy what they need and some buy what they want. It's a waste of money in general for a lot of people who buy trucks these days. A lot of people don't tow and have 0 use for a truck, yet they have one,
We have a small family business and have always used Ford heavy duty trucks. Have a 10’ f550 with the 6.4 which didn’t make it to 100,000 miles before having a brand new motor...and the replacement motor was worse than the original. Had a number of 250’s, two with the v10(gutless, DRANK fuel like crazy). Two 6.0’s which were pretty reliable to be honest. Then we got a 2011 6.7 and that was my favorite truck I ever owned. Never let me down, had an EGR valve go bad around 100k miles, other than that no major problems...that motor is fantastic for efficiency, but has the guts when you need it. Ended up trading that truck for a 2015 6.7 and again, never had any issues with the truck, still driving it today, has been 173k and change on it. We also have two work truck trim 250’s with the 6.2 and they are great, but are bad on fuel, so my point is, the 7.3 looks great but for what we do, it more tha. Likely would get the same fuel mileage as the old v10’s. No sense in getting rid of the 6.2 and upgrading to a motor that’s worse on fuel. We pull recycling trailers, and the diesel is king for several reasons, mainly the stop and go abuse they can take, and still remain somewhat efficient for what they’re doing. I can average 8.5-10 mpg pulling a trailer around town for recycling day pickup, and still have plenty of fuel left at the end of the day. When we used to do the same job with the previous trucks, especially the gassers, we would fuel right after lunchtime, like clockwork. The gas option looks great but the diesel is still king when it comes to serious towing.
Glad to hear you've got one that's working out for you, and sorry to hear about the 6.4L that you had problems with, never fun having to deal with issues on a newer vehicle.
For what it's worth, I upgraded from an '11 powerstroke to a '20 7.3. I get the same mpg now as I did with the diesel. 12.5 towing, 16-17 unloaded, and I tow a 10,000# inclosed daily. I work and live in the mountains of N. Utah so there's a lot up, and down. The power pulling is seriously indistinguishable between the two, but the '20 does is much smoother about it.
Another awesome review the 7.3 is a great option for people who need the extra kick but don’t wanna pay 10s of 1000s more
Agreed! I mean when you add it all up that $8,000-ish premium over the gas is a lot. If I wanted a work truck that just needed a good haul rating I'd get the gas and sacrifice that sweet turbo whistle.
I love my husband's old 7.3 diesel I asked him if he would like a new 7.3 if they made it diesel again and he said no because it was good way back but now there's all the computers on it and all new things. 6.7 diesel is what we have now too and we love it , its our baby we do alot with it
Those older F-250/F-350s are worth quite a bit now, the OBS from the mid 90s are going up in price slowly. Even higher-mileage F-250s with the Power Stroke from 95-96 are asking upwards of $10,000 CAD out here. I'd hold onto it if I were him!
They couldn't sell extra engines if they last 1million miles
It was junk then ... and its junk now! Duramax, and Cummins are way better motors! Fuck that 7.3! Try pulling something with it...
I am a v8 sports car guy, but it's nice to see these videos.
Glad to hear it!
In 20 years, pickup trucks will just be semis with a 2x2 bed.
Evolution
😂
You might as well buy one semi you get your money From it and you can live in it. You buy one of these you wasted your money.
@Justin Henry you can do the same in a semi your 250 will be worthless in 5 years.
@@firstamendmenttshirt4768 lmao 2 different worlds of trucks buddy. funny theres tons of older 250s out on the road. i actually used to drive an 03 f250 5spd with the 5.4 and while it wasnt fast that truck was reliable and outlasted 3 2013 2500hds in our fleet pulling a freezer unit in the bed loaded up wall to wall with product.
This 7.3L gas has more hp and torque than the 1st gen 7.3L diesel, I don’t remember people complain the 7.3L diesel is underpowered, even nowadays.
The 7.3l powerstroke is lackluster at best when stock. However with a few performance modifications it wakes a bit.
It does not have more torque... the godzilla 7.3 has 475 lb ft of torque. The 7.3 powerstroke had 500-525 lb ft of torque. At least in the super duty trucks (99-03).
@@djntqd that’s the 2nd gen 7.3 psd.
@@nicolathonathan770 missed your "1st gen" part. My bad.
@@djntqd an extra $7-10k can get the Godzilla supercharged from 5star tuning. Depends on what tune you run, it puts out 700-1000hp and 600-900 ft lb torque. It’s not as torquey as the 6.7psd, but definitely enough for most folks. I’ll absolutely buy a diesel vehicle if they build it the way prior 2002. Modern diesel is a headache if you don’t make money off it.
Not a peep about maintenance cost. Look at cost of fuel in conjunction with maintenance cost. Even with an mpg defecit in the gas motor and taking into account higher resale value, the gas makes more sense for me.
If you're always hooked to a gooseneck/5th wheel or pintle trailer most of the time, buy the diesel. If you recreationally tow RV/boats and dont really tow too heavy, the gas wins.
Just the money saved on an oil is worth it.
@@gonz073 is it tho? I’ve never owned a diesel and went with the 7.3 bc of comments like yours. But after getting the truck I’m learning the oil changes are only 100-150 more than gas. That’s nothing all things considered…
I owned a 20 F350 crew cab Lariat long bed with the 7.3. By far the best gas engine I have ever had. Going from an 18 F250 with a 6.2, it was easy to compare the two. Well, there is no comparison. The 7.3 outperforms the 6.2 in every way, especially with the 10 speed transmission. I bought a 21 F350 Dually 6.7 because I bought a heavy 5th wheel. What a monster of a motor and the side to side stability is fantastic. I think the 7.3 would be fine up to a maximum payload of 13-14K. Anything over that and you’ll need the diesel. The amazing thing about the Powerstroke is how quickly it accelerates with all that torque. There is no hesitation while the turbo spools up like my 13 6.7, and that was a great motor too. Instant launch and it’s always in the right gear. The exhaust brake is really nice too.
Fair enough , thanks for sharing!
Powerstroke.
The only engine named after a low- budget adult film.
Haha!
One could argue Cummins is too. :D
Ordered a 2022 f250 tremor with the 7.3 a few days ago. Hopefully I made the right decision. I've only owned half tons before this.
Hope you enjoy it!
I ordered mine yesterday, I went f250 V10 in 09 then to RAM and now Tundra. I'm glad to be going back to F250 and I think Tremor will hold it's value. I might just order a new truck every winter and sell mine. I think long term the truck will cost 300 per month to own. I made money on all my trucks selling them after 18 month and under 20k miles.
Update us on the Tremor.
difference between a 7.3 and 6.7 is cost. Nevermind price for upgrading diesel. Nope. The maintenance and added built-in cost of operating these dieselbois is higher, parts are more expensive.
The plugs cost more, more complex internals like a water-fuel separator, governors, the jets, and emissions. The injectors cost more, the trans cost more, and if it breaks down. Unless you know someone who knows diesels or you are certified. You gonna have to take it to a specialist for repairs. And those repairs cost money!!!!$$$$
Then you gotta pay to fill up DEF, anything DEF-related is not cheap, oh and if it breaks, it bricks your whole truck! Not to mention fuel. Fuel prices does vary alot more than gas. And usually costs more. Also diesel doesnt always get the best quality-control. And neither do gas stations. Very easy to get a bad batch of diesel.
With 7.3........ You get none of those things..... Gasoline is the larger domestic product in the petrol market. You are more than likely to find gasoline than diesel.
But. Most important. Less problems, less issues with warranty. Also less problems in the cold. It takes up to -50 below 0 in order for gasoline to get "slushy", diesel becomes jello at 0 degrees. And syrupy at 30.
Of course. Diesel still has alot of benefits. But for the average schmuck like me. It would be more hassle than it is worth.
Def is 1.25 a gallon at the pump and I use about 20 gallons a year and the truck tows 15k miles a year.
Had about 15 def diesels and had issues with none.
@@connorahlers3468 cool story kid. Until you look at the repair bill for ONE diesel and you will quickly realize why gas is superior. Even small problems cost thousands of dollars and a diesel engine itself costs 12-15k+
Gas engines. Even as big as a 7.3 doesnt even cost that much rofl.
I have ran a crane and heavy haul business for 10 years. I’ve seen more “big” diesel repair bills than most I’d imagine. I’m also telling you back when we ran 8.1’s and 454 1tons we went through transmissions and rear ends like tires.
To each their own but for people that make money using these trucks it’s always going to be a diesel. The average consumer wants to know what’s better for them in the long run is what this is about. I am just simply letting you know that this point you’ve made is just that, your own.
@@connorahlers3468 nah gas is better.
7.3... I’m in love 😍
Gas bois have tiny cacks
@@billp.7208 Im all balls...lol
I see we have the same taste in trailers. Black Series is awesome!
Those clips with the trailers were provided by Ford, though at some point I would like to be able to do my own trailer testing on this show.
I'm thinking of going for the 7.3 Godzilla, after years of running diesels with the high running costs of fuel filters and the threat of out of warranty repairs along with the higher cost of fuel I'm starting to wonder if the relaxed towing of the diesel is really worth all the other negatives that the expensive emission systems brings for the long term owner.
Fair enough!
Ebay for my filter
@@brandonjohnson7851 I too get my filters from eBay, but I still wouldn't call them cheap and then there are a lot of owners that don't do their own maintenance then the costs at the dealership are other world crazy.
In the US diesel generally cost about $.20 to $.40 more per gallon. It will take a while to make up the cost differential of the diesel engine option over the 7.3L gas version. I've talked to several 6.7L diesel engine Ford owners and while they do get "good" mpg, its not as significant as you portend it to be. What was not addressed in you video is the maintenance cost of a diesel versus a gas engine truck. Routine oil changes for both are a normal procedure but the cost of oil filters for the diesel are significantly higher than the gas engine. There other "hidden" cost for a 6.7L diesel like fuel filters and the labor cost to remove it from the fuel tank, etc. If hauling a trailer with heavy equipment or loads frequently is your thing, then by all means go diesel. If you are hauling a camping trailer twice or three times a year and it falls within the towing limits of the 7.3L gas engine, it makes no sense economically to buy the diesel engine. You will unlikely ever recoup the cost differential between the diesel and gas engines.
That's very true that you likely won't get the fuel savings back with the diesel. It's something we've discussed several times on our show when talking about diesels, specifically when we did the Chevy Cruze diesel and Mazda CX-5 diesel. You also need to factor in the cost of DEF, and the repairs associated with it if they fail. Normally the types of people getting into a brand-new truck are leasing them for 2-3 years, so overall maintenance costs aren't as big of a problem, but 5-10 years down the road they will certainly add up for the second or third buyers.
The diesel truck will still be worth at least $10k more in 10 years when you decide to sell it. Diesels hold their value very well if maintained.
@@GopherFix if they haven't thrown a rod by then lmao
Now it's $2+ more a gallon
Will never go back to a gasser, love my Powerstroke
I’m the Opposite way 😁
I hope you didn't get the setting on the side of the road option like I did, I going to gas for good unless they can get those POS emissions straight
@@marshallforeman2051 my 2012 has never let me down, although it's not a bone stock vehicle either...
waters everyone has what works for them.....I can pull a house down with mine. Or tow whatever I want, the joy of having choices
90% of diesel owners don't need them whatsoever, but this is America where you get to do what you want no matter how bad of a financial decision that may be!
Haha! Very true.
I have a 21 f350 diesel and absolutely love it. It gets great mileage and it laughs at towing 30,000 lbs I have had 0 problems with it and have 150,000 miles on it now. I have also towed the same exact load with a 21 ram 3500 with the ho Cummins. My f350 hauls it easier and gets over 7000 miles, 4mpg better mileage I think the Ford Is comfortable also.
Glad to hear it!
DEF fluid. 12.2mpg in my 2016. 11k premium in price. Higher priced fuel. Oil changes $70 more. Fuel filter changes at $100. I'm kind of over the diesel. I may eat my words but I'm willing to try it a few years.
Those costs easily add up, plenty of reasons to go with the gas!
8k premium vs 7.3 (still a lot)
Same boat with my 2016 f250 6.7. Love it to death, but everything about it is more money in-fuel and maintenance.
Great review. The old 6.2 is such a dependable engine. Hopefully the new gas 7.3 continues that tradition. It is a fine middle ground between the fantastic turbo and 6.2. If you don’t need super towing capability, 7.3 is a fine compromise. Turbo diesel 6.7 is a fine engine, just remember maintenance and repair of diesel is much more expensive than a gas engine. Also curious they went with pushrod design instead of a overhead cam Coyote, I guess for more power at lower RPM.
Reliability too
And cheaper to manufacture.
Thankfully Ford decided to pass the cost-savings on to the end user if the 7.3L is cheaper to manufacture going with this engine design.
Jonathan Windham Nope
LF X You do realize a 4-valve version of this 7.3 would shit on the pushrod 7.3 version at every RPM point right? Low end torque is thanks to the displacement.
Ford went pushrod on the 7.3 because it’s cheaper, period.
The “new” 7.3 is more like the old 460 big block gas engine, than the old 7.3 diesel
Sometimes the older technologies are the ones that end up being the most reliable.
Pushrod V8 with a deep skirted block, like a GM LS....I want one
Justin Henry I never said the LS was the first deep skirt block
The old 7.3 diesels made less power per liter than a 95 4 banger ranger 😂
Key deciding points for me are cost and features.
Def can lead a man stranded out in the middle of nowhere.
However, the powerstrokes have optional engine breaking on top of tow haul mode and trailer breaks.
The saying is, if you haul all the time get the diesel. Which makes sense.
I doubt the gas has an engine break. Would be good to haul a camper or the occasional load for work or whatever.
But some features are really nice to have than not
The gas doesn't have a typical engine break, shifting down would be the only way.
There should be a 7.3 Godzilla Badging
Same location as Powerstroke
I have a diesel truck to tow my 5th wheel and will never (break even) on the cost of the diesel I have it because I like it just buy what you like as long as it is safe
Fair enough!
Big back the 7.3 diesel my goodness that was the best engine. My uncle had 1 from the 90's and we couldn't kill it. The wheels, suspension went out way before the engine matter of fact when he got rid of it it only needed about $3,000 worth of work what suspension and the rear end
I think that’s partially why OBS F-250s and F-350s are going up in price, average asking price here in Quebec is about $10,000 CAD for one.
Yeah man I have the 7.3 diesel and its my fav
Well it’s hard to kill a motor when it never had that much power to begin with.
@@davidmorgan8612 my thoughts
The gas engine way more reliable. No turbo, no DEF system.
Missed a chance to say "they're longer than me.. only just 😉" 😂 great video mate 👍🏻
More TQ? More HP? Better sounding? Easier to upgrade? Faster? Powerstroke is the answer to all these questions...and is the real godzilla.
Expensive to maintain.
@@karlsracing8422 Yeah the 7.3L gas engine probably is but it hasn't been out long enough to know. The 6.7L diesel however is the complete opposite of expensive to maintain. Its not even broke in until 150k miles.
@@dustingre8 you literally know NOTHING if you think a diesel is cheap to maintain.
Flag Ov Hate honestly have you put an actual number on the expense difference? I’m tired of seeing these videos comparing the 7.3 to 6.7. Of course the 6.7 is moderately expansive to maintain it takes 13 quarts of oil. Don’t buy a diesel if you don’t want the slightly higher cost for a ton more power.
knock on wood, I reckon, but I literally have not seen where the diesel is "so expensive" to maintain. 99% of the issues on a diesel are fuel system ... or now that DPF power-robbing/cost-increasing to operate apparatus.
those coil packs aren't cheap on the gasser. 75K-100K ... replacing those costs more than the 2nd battery of the diesel. $500 for a danged "tune up"
treat yer turbo properly (cool down before shutdown) and the diesel is superior in every way. It IS amazing none of the big 3 have an electric oil pump to prevent coking. They're not cost prohibitive, especially for a mass production. But that'd violate the prime directive of "designed obsolescence."
If I got a new F250 it would be the godzilla. The 6.7 is a great engine but can get expensive to repair and deleting the emissions isn't always a plausible option. Plus the last 6.7 work truck I had couldn't break 13.9mpg no matter how I drove it 2017 F250 platinum crew cab 4x4.
Good points!
Exactly! Your not going to get 20mpg with the diesel, no way. Hook a big ass 5th week to it and you’d be lucky to hit 10mpg
Crazy thing is it's new and improved and listed as a modern big block and it has the most hp and torque of any other HD truck available now and my 02 2500hd chevy 8.1 has 30 more lb torque factory lol! Now my old truck is still on the road and farm each day and I have put a cold air intake, tb spacer, long tube headers, cat delete and full dual exhaust and a mild programmer so id at 210,000 miles my truck has currently, id say it still produces around 450hp at the fly and probably 580 to 600lb torque. My dad has one of these new gasser ford's and that 8.1 will overthrow that truck on every level besides comfort and economy lol! I also have a 2012 duramax that I absolutely love but I'd still pick gasoline over any diesel simply because of maintenance costs, cold starts and the carefulness when purchasing diesel fuel if driven everyday ofcourse without extreme heavy loads.
The Big Three have been racing upwards for more power, more towing, and ultimately more bragging rights on these trucks for a very long time now. It seems like every year one of them takes the lead in terms of numbers.
I'm ready to upgrade my 2014 King Range diesel. Going back to a gasser...hello Godzilla.
Good choice!
It's a miracle and dreams are made of emotions.
Price of diesel, DEF, regular (expensive) maintenance, upfront purchase cost, and when you start having emission problems and you will. It's hugely expensive and hardly worth it...
You can buy lots of gasoline with the money you will save with the 7.3 gasser.
No doubt! Someone else commented with roughly how much gas you guy buy for that $10k price tag, here in Canada it would be about 9,800L of fuel.
Towing with the diesel is a walk in the park compared to the high revving gasser and the added bonus of 25-30% increase in fuel economy. Here diesel is only .10 higher than gas!
Ha odd. Diesel has been within 10 cents around here for the last year or so....my diesel (deleted) gets 19.5 as compared to my eco boost 12.5. Oil changes aren’t that much more expensive if you buy in bulk as we do on the farm 🤷♂️ haven’t had a single issue on a 17 6.7 with 82000 bought new. I’ve had the f150 in for several small bugs. As for the 7.3 the gas mileage on that will be even worse making my 19.5 city avg that much better
@@bustersharman8115 Sign up with a diesel discount card and you can get diesel for .10-.20 cents/gallon UNDER gas prices.. Two days ago I filled up and it cost me $1.86/gallon for diesel..
As a long time diesel owner I am always confused when I hear some of these arguments against diesel. Over all cost of fuel you probably breaking even as the diesel get much better mileage - non issue. Maintenance cost aren't that much higher like some would want you to believe, I pay $101 (US) for and oil change and tire rotation from the dealer and occasional fuel filters - to me it's a non issue. DEF is another non issue that probably cost about a $.01 per gallon of fuel. And no, not everybody has emissions problems. Yes they are expensive and I'm on my third diesel (2nd with modern emissions) and still love them. And someday when you decide to trade her in for the next truck whether it be gas or diesel you will get a much higher trade in value getting the majority of that premium back. And for those of us who tow heavy, how can you put a price on the enjoyment of stress free towing that the gas won't? Some people are ok with high revving engines, i'm not one of them. Another benefit is you have a much longer towing range with diesel and you can use the truck stops for fuel which beats trying to find a gas station with a 40' rig behind you.
One big issue is cost of repairs once out of warranty. Ten grand buys a lot of gas also. I have a gas burner and pulled the Rockies with a 5 ton trailer, got 9.7 MPG and didnt have any issues with it. YOU, the buyer have to decide what is best for you. In some areas diesel prices at the pump are crazy high and others, almost as cheap as gas. My neighbor had to replace a pump and sensor and cost him right at $1500.00 to do it with most of that labor.
This is why the 7.3l Ford diesel was the best truck motor ever.
Seriously I love these comments that unless your towing the Queen Mary you should not get a diesel blah blah blah. Using that logic there would be no reason to ever buy something simply because you enjoy the tactile feel and experience. I am guessing the vast majority of truck owners dont need a truck but they own one because they enjoy driving one. A diesel is often the same, if you love the sound and tactile feel of driving one that is enough reason. But the fact that 1K plus torque is sure to bring a smile to your face when you need to pull or haul that is a bonus. Gas or diesel whatever floats your boat. I see boats that costs millions and could likely circumnavigation the continent but never go beyond sight of land. You only live once and if the Godzilla or a Powerstroke makes even one day better I say go for it.
People are very opinionated when it comes to pickup trucks. Same is true between brands or generations of trucks. At the end of the day you should buy what you need, not buy something based on what other people tell you is 'right' for themselves.
So how long does a diesel motor. Especially an older one last?
I had as of Sunday morning a nice 2003. Ford f 150, 4wheel drive, w titan motor and all the bells and whistles..until a Semi. Took him from me...a little rust. But ran like a top..lots of get up and go... im looking at a 1999 super duty xlt.. diesel... ya it's a monster.. but price is the issue..and safety...my Truck saved my life..
I'm not a mechanic, so here's couple questions. I hear the 7.3 gas can be modded with superchargers, turbos, etc. That can really increase hp but what about torque? Also, don't those mods void your warranty? And by the time you spend all the money to get more hp & torque, why not just buy a diesel that already has it?
Any additions to either engine would void the warranty, but there certainly is potential with the 7.3L gas engine to improve it with the use of turbos or a supercharger. I know some examples exist out there, but adding more power through boost likely won't do much to improve the towing capacity, and as you mentioned your warranty will be void meaning you're on the hook for any issues.
Forced induction increases both horsepower and torque. It also depends on the tune you use
I've heard you mention "gas for hauling" in several of your videos. So why is a gas engine better for hauling than a diesel?
Typically gasoline engines weigh less, meaning that weight can be used for hauling. We go into detail on this on a video we produced last year called Beginner’s Guide to Heavy Duty Pickup Trucks, if a truck has a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000lbs and weighs 7,500 lbs you’re left with a haul rating of 2,500lbs.
@@PRNTestDrive wait you talk about weight of engine? Better get a dodge ram to save weight an keep it diesel.
the price difference between the 7.3 and the diesel isn't as much as everyone things. TRUE the diesel costs 10,500 CAD more, BUT the 7.3 costs 2,250. therefore the diesel costs 8,000 and change more.
New owner here soon,, And first time diesel owner, Ordered a 2022 F 350 XLT Trim 6.7 Powerstroke changed to 3:55 gears, 10 speed transmission, full trailer package, waiting for delivery, I will be towing a 2018 25 ft 5th wheel, part time, and driving to work from BC to AB which is about 400kms ish, maybe more, going from a 150 2019 XLT 5.0 L, The 150 had the trailer package but the numbers itself on paper said it could haul that 5th wheel, but once hooked up and partially full,, ,,,EMPTY TANKS,, it was ok on level roads but once climbing hills,, just lost it and no power and RPM maxed out, very hard on the truck,
So the F 350 will be driven mostly HWY miles, so I am going to ask what is the best advice to keep this Truck running good and hopefully trouble free, and also the best Oil to use as I have been reading that the Shell T6 Rotella full synthetic is the best option,
I am very picky about doing my maintenence on my vehicles and do not bag on them,,, I appreciate any advice given,,,,Not a option to do any deletes at this time due to Warranty, Thank you all for your help
Hopefully I'll have some advice for you shortly down the road, as I'm going to be working a lot closer with these Super Duties moving forward! Either way enjoy your purchase once it arrives!
I have a 2016 F250 XLT with a 6.7 and 70,000 miles, paid $47,000 new. Just got offered $45,000 for from my local dealer to buy it. Try that with a gas burner.
Not bad at all! The supply shortage on new vehicles is forcing dealers to pay more for used vehicles. It's great to make a good return on selling, but if you also have to buy a new vehicle it's not ideal.
I'm a bigger guy like you and I'm 6'1.5" tall.
When you were sitting in the Platinum F250, did you feel like you were squashed up against the center floor console and the door and side pillar?
Or was it plenty wide enough for you?
I usually sit with with my legs spread quite far apart and hate being crushed up against center floor consoles
and up against the door and side pillar. Many times my head will hit the roof too.
I guess I just need to get to a dealership and sit in one of these to see how comfortable I would hopefully be.
Please let me know. Thanks ! 🤓
Definitely wide enough for me. Space on the modern pickup trucks is excellent. I'd still recommend trying it out for yourself as everyone has a different fit, but I was very comfortable in the Super Duty.
Let's Turbo charge and after cool the 7.3 , And see how it measures up ?
Definitely some potential for it. I imagine aftermarket tuners are going to have a blast with this new engine.
I mounted a Rajay turbo on a small block Chevy. It added power and torque. But, YIKES!. Even with the addition of a larger water radiator and the addition of an engine oil radiator, the engine oil temperature was much higher, as was the under-hood temperature. I also installed braided stainless hoses to be safe.
I saw an article a few days ago and someone put twin turbos on and changed the throttle body and got 1100hp
Look at a vid of its actual parts....they made it to handle 1500 hp it seems.....huge parts and push rods. There you go for power gains!
Love diesel:
EGR delete.
DPF delete.
Boost controller.
Throttle controller.
Cat back straight pipes.
Intercooler spray.
Remap / tune.
Etc ...
Yeah boy....
I know right!!! Drop 60-70k on a truck then another 15k to make it “good”...so awesome
Is Ford going to put the EcoBoost system on the 7.3 gas, look at the power the V6 makes with that system.
naturist I was wondering the same.
They are not going to add cost and extra maintenance on the 7.3L. Btw "Ecoboost" is simply a turbo, or multiple turbos.
Naturist that will never happen. The reason is that is would make close to the same power as the diesel.
Aftermarket already developing superchargers
@@mustangman4291980 In stock form, there is only a 45 HP difference between the 7.3 and 6.7. The addition of a turbo on the 7.3 would easily yield more HP than a stock 6.7. But it will never touch the 6.7's torque. So WHY would someone do this?
Most people don't buy a pickup truck for drag racing. Furthermore, the cost of adding an aftermarket turbo, control systems to compensate for boost conditions, higher flow fuel pumps and additional cooling, will largely nullify the cost savings for having bought a gas engine. So, why would someone add a turbo for towing purposes?
Lastly, adding an aftermarket turbo to the 7.3 will void the warranty, GREATLY reduce the number of shops that can service it in the event of a breakdown on the road, will pose headaches when trying to pass emission tests, and will REDUCE resale value (most buyers and dealerships are uninterested in buying vehicles which are substantially modified).
I installed a turbo on a Camaro. It was a lot of fun. But I just don't see its function on today's pickup trucks, traveling long distances, to remote places, and towing good size trailers.
For the truck's intended purpose, I want reliability, ease of maintenance, ease of service in the event of an issue, and ready parts availability should service be needed. All these attributes are best found in a stock engine.
For hauling and junk removal wich one do you recommend, the F-550 diesel or gasoline?
If you’re not towing anything, and using the bed only you’d be better off with the gas engine.
Which one did you chose? I do junk removal with f250 6.2L and a 7k dump trailer 6.2mpg...
Gonna make a lot more money with a diesel than a gasser.
That's likely true!
7.3 FTW Less cost of maintenance compared to the 6.7 turbo diesel.
I don't disagree!
Depends what you're going to use it for I'm going to tell you that from a experience already.
Yeah but the gas engine will die long before 250,000 miles.
@@billp.7208 I disagree I know a couple engines close and above 300k.
@@nicoctane1669 a couple. That's hilarious. I can show you DOZENS of half million mile diesel engines.
IMO id go for the 7.3, modern diesels are too expensive and require more maintenance with all the emission stuff that comes equipped
Fair enough!
My experience with Godzilla...my wallet is Tokyo.
Lol!
When buying a new truck, if you’re wanting bang for the buck, invest in a time machine. The huge number of bucks involved makes it nearly impossible to get enough bang to matter.
@TheGoat I’m not sure your right about that. A lot of consumers buy HD trucks to pull there camper once a year.
Ahh he said 3:16 “heavy duty stuff” could of said “super duty stuff”
Oh boy what ever will I do with myself now.
PRN_TestDrive glad you commented could of pinned it though
After watching all the ford trucks that need expensive repairs that’s really less than five years old it’s pretty scary thought of buying a diesel .
As a ford owner my only problem with my superdutys is ford really needs to relax on the plumbing even that 7.3 has a bowl of spaghetti poured on top of the engine
Yea its progressively gotten ridiculous 🙄
Exactly, how the hell does a NA need all that crap
Reminds me of the mess of an engine my 5.0L V8 was in my LTD Crown Victoria.
I remember hating Ford after owning a 80’ 5.8 bronco. There were vacuum and electrical lines going everywhere! And they all stopped at various little components that didn’t seem to do anything and continued on. It was a complete rats nest. My parents had a 96’ 5.7 suburban. Talk about a clean package under the hood! So so many less wires/lines going everywhere. I get they were 16 years apart but seeing under the hood of the 22’ 6.7 the rats nest is worse than my 80’ bronco…. The 7.3 has a lot going on too but it looks way better than the 6.7. I can’t imagine how expensive the 6.7 will be to to do work on…
I will stick with my 7.3 idi. It won't ever leave me stranded. No b.s. it just runs.
I would too if I had one!
Weak pos
@@MrCherrygrovedude you probably like LLY duramaxes
"How does the posi-track on a Plymouth work?
.....it just *DOES."*
Would a 7.3 with 4:3 gears be enough to help with my hill struggle? Or should I be looking at diesels in the future?
2017 350-Lariat 6.2L gas (3:73) that I like a lot (A LOT). Camper and towing package. It struggles on some hills towing my GD 32' trailer that's about 6300 loaded. My brother towed his 10k 5th wheel with his 2013 350 diesel ahead of me at 45-53mph while I'm dropping to 35-40 to keep it under 5k rpm. Worst hill was a 6-8% grade for a few miles. At home, we mostly drive short trips under 5 miles around town. Some trips over 30 miles 2-3 times per month and we tow 5-8 times per year for camping. Doubt we'll get a heavier trailer. Will go on longer trips. Most are under 180 miles so far. I agree with gas for hauling/diesel for towing school of thought, but hoping with the low amount of towing we do, 7.3 gas is better suited to us.
I'd say the diesel would probably work out better with the torque, but TFLtruck does some excellent trailer testing and I believe they've done some specifically with the two Super Duty engines over the past year or so.
You shouldnt be having any trouble going up hills with that. You gotta let it rev. The engine is designed to rev if you give her throttle and just drive it will handle the rpms and you wont drop speed. I have a gd travel trailer that is 7500 lbs and have no issues at all climbing mountains. Deffinatly not running at only 35 or 40 mph
Powerstroke for me, but I tow at high altitude. If I was at sea level the 7.3 would probably be fine.
Fair enough!
At the price of a diesel these days you could buy a freightliner or Volvo semi, check the prices you'd be surprised
Depends on your area. Here in Quebec diesel prices have fluctuated quite a bit. During 2020 the price didn’t go down, but near the end of the year it was a bit cheaper than regular gas. Now it’s a bit more than regular gas.
10,500 bucks upgrade from the gas. Do you know how much gas you can buy with 10,500 bucks you save. From my math with price in America which is 1.95 dollars that is 205 gallons. For the amount i drive that would hold me over for years.
5384 gallons
Yeah it’s a lot of fuel, if I had the chance to take this 7.3L gas on our 100km test loop I would have had some numbers to go with to give an idea on fuel cost savings. We try to do it anytime a vehicle offers a more efficient option, for example when we did the Mazda CX-5 diesel, it just isn’t cost effective to spend the $5,000 premium on that car as you’ll never make that back in fuel savings.
@@danielevancho2274 that correct. I was paying bills, commenting on UA-cam, and on toilet figuring out how can i get apple juice from a lemon. All off of this pull 13.5 hour at the job, but still thats a truck load of fuel literally.
@@PRNTestDrive Well that sound about right. Especially with the emissions, and fuel price
It's also important to calculate the resale value of the 6,7..after 5 years
Do you know the gross weight of the diesel?
I own a 2017 f350 srw crew cab 4x4 longbed 6.7 and I love it.
Glad to hear it!
95% of people running around with diesels do not need them. I will keep my 7.3 PSD going as long as I can
That's probably true, either way I hope yours continues to work out well for you!
Not a fan got to take cab off to work on engine so many complaints not a owner but a mechanic perspective alot of problems with powerstroke
problems with the powerstroke? That aren't related to emissions??? I doubt it. I've had two (7.3 and 6.7) know dozens with PSDs (except 6.0 (late 03-07) guys, we don't associate with them! LOL) ... no engine problems.
The cab did need removing when I installed ceramic manifolds and 4" exhaust on the 7.3 ... but that was EASIER that stabbing an eng/trans back into the chassis. Literally 20 minutes 6 body bolts, handful of canon plugs, park brake cable, and steering shaft. BAM.
Is it true the new 10 speed is having trouble
I haven't had any issues with the press trucks I've driven so far, I will say that the transmission can get a little lost if you're cruising then decide to hammer the throttle, however it's typical with these larger transmissions. We have a viewer who bought a 2019 F-150 Limited with the 10 speed and so far he hasn't had any problems!
I have a 2020 and have not had any issues yet. That being said its still being broken in.
I have the 7.3 liter w the 10 speed in my F350 and a 10 speed in my Mustang. Haven't had an issue with either.
They are having issues. GM and Ford partnered up to build it and GM is out. They're going back to an 8 speed
The 10 speed in my 2018 f150 hesitates then jumps up to the next gear it only happens in the lower gears. I don’t like the 10 speed.
I can't speak for Ford but my company switched to gas burner completely, you'll find 10yr old 2500hd Silverado with 300k plus miles pulling 12,000lb excavators but we don't have a single diesel truck more than 3 years old that hadn't had an entire rebuild.
If those gassers are 6.0’s with 6l90’s, you won’t find a better gas 3/4 ton produced even today
For some reason this video seems to have attracted alot of very strange people.
No kidding 😂
It’s funny that people think it’s lifted lol. It’s the same height as the 17-19. In 2020 they lowered the super duty.
If running costs are a factor and given that it's $10,000 more for the oil burner, and the Godzilla uses for fuel, how many kms do you need to drive in the Godzilla before you've spent $10,000 more in fuel than you would have in the diesel or how many kms in the diesel will it take before you've saved $10,000 in fuel over the Godzilla? Also, how much is a turbo or supercharger and what would that do for the Godzilla?
Great questions, the turbo option would be interesting to see however I believe there are a number of aftermarket options already for it. As for the cost of fuel over time, that's going to be key. We did a similar cost comparison a year ago when we featured the Ford Explorer Hybrid, it would take you about 8 years to make back the difference in fuel savings by spending the extra $5k on the hybrid.
Let's use Wheels.ca's testing on the fuel economy, they got 13.6L/100km in the PowerStroke, 19.3L/100km with the 7.3L Gas engine. (www.wheels.ca/car-reviews/first-drive-2020-ford-super-duty/) The average cost as of typing this for fuel in my town, in Quebec Canada is $1,33.9 for diesel, and $1,34.1 for regular. Let's say you drive both trucks for 100,000kms, you'd spend $18,210.40 for diesel for that distance, $25,881.30 for regular fuel. So to make back the $10,000 price difference on these numbers you'd have to drive about 150,000km.
After having a diesel I will never go gas again..
That's the case for a lot of diesel truck buyers.
After having a Ford diesel I will never go diesel again !
Gasser all the way...
185K trouble free miles on my Ford 6.7..had a couple EGT sensors fail when it was new and still under warranty...other than that the 6.7 has been great...after towing trailers with a gas truck and having a gas RV vs. towing a 5th wheel with my diesel, I will never buy a gas truck again...so nice not to have to listen to a gas motor screaming it's heart out trying to climb a hill 10 MPH slower than my diesel...
@@mebe2k One of the lucky ones... If it wasn't for all the emissions I would be right there with you.
Not even a 79 ford with a bored and stroked 460?
You should do a 7.3 powerstroke
I'd love to find one to review! Finding them for sale are tough, almost all by owner and everyone wants $10k+. It's on my list.
This motor being the cam in block design should be reliable not like overhead cam motors
I believe that’s why Ford went with this engine design, maximize long term reliability while still producing something that has the power buyers need.
They made their engine like a Chrysler v8
dont really know who you are , but if you are not already in the biz you need to work for Motor trend... you got that voice
I really appreciate that, thank you! I haven't personally reached out to any larger outlets, I've been pretty happy with the work I'm doing as a solo producer but who knows what's in store for the future.
The most ill ever need to tow is 12,000 lbs. 250 with the 7.3l was perfect for me!
Glad to hear it!
How much mpg towing it give you?
My 6.2L give me 6.3mpg only when towing
@@mbmpablo3631 I've only towed the big U-Haul packed full of stuff so idk how much that weighed but on the highway from CO to KY we still got 15 mpg according to the truck. I haven't got my ranch operation going yet which is what the main towing job will be in the future
Hey buddy, we don’t use the metric system here, list weight in pounds
Hey buddy, that’s your problem, not mine up here in Canada.
PRN_TestDrive
Seams ironic, Canada hails from Great Britain as we do, and they use standard weights and measures, so when did Canada go off the rails? Also, I’m sure your analytics show America is the greater audience, it is funny though in your video you talk about towing in pounds no kilos. Good video though.
Be safe buddy
Minus cost and let's say job site needs(working somewhere were fuel is provided)
Is their any logical reason to get a gas engine versus diesel in a HD truck?
More low end torque and more torque over all.
Better idle fuel efficiency.
Sound is barely a factor anymore.
You get engine braking.
You could argue weight I guess but overall you are only talking few percentage of overall weight.
Could you do this same video but with the new Silverado HD with the 6.6 gas vs 6.6 diesel that would be interesting
I’ll see what I can do! At this point GM hasn’t brought any of their heavy duty pickups to their press fleet but we’ll see if they plan on doing so.
ESE HERMOSO MOTOR DIESEL ES MUSICA PARA MIS OÍDOS!!
6.7 all the way
Because horsepower, torque, and efficiency
I like the diesel for all those reasons too.
All the way to setting on the side of the road, been there done that, nouthing but emissions problems with that 6.7
Love big Diesels but as others have said the modern Diesels are a money pit. Unless I needed to tow Mount Rushmore I’d save 10 grand and get the 7.3: big understressed atmo V8 should not cause any problems rather than all those that complicated injector, emissions stuff on the Diesel which when they go pop will bankrupt you or just lease one i guess if you must have the Diesel.
Seems to be the sentiment for a lot more people these days. The gas engines have come along way in the past decade, for what most people need out of these trucks the gas would work out fine.
i cant decide between the gas or diesel all i plan to do is have it lifted and maybe pull a car to the track thats about it
The gas would be fine then, it's more than capable and you'll save a lot in fuel, and maintenance down the road.
Unfortunately from a numbers and practicality standpoint in a 3/4 ton f-250 the 7.3 is the majority of the time be a better buy for most people. A 6.7 will be more expensive to buy, have more expensive maintenance, more heavily taxed at the diesel pump for corrupt government pollution taxes, and wouldn’t really make sense unless you plan on towing 10k or more on a daily basis for years on end. I guess hotshot guys it would make sense, however all those guys buy 1 ton dually’s so they can tow more weight to make more money. Ram, Chevy, and Ford will start gradually steer away from the 3/4 ton diesel market and invest their diesels in the 1 ton and greater applications. Ram for example has been doing it for awhile with their diesels putting the cheap crappy components on the 3/4 tons and putting the quality components on the 1 tons and up. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ford and Chevy follow in Rams footsteps for greater profit margins especially since Biden is now in office. Enjoy Ford F series trucks right now while their in their absolute prime and buy one if you have the money. It won’t last forever, I think the 3/4 diesel will be the first application to be kicked to the curb by the manufacturers in the up coming years.
Bring back the 7.8L 460
that's 7.5 L
Yup godzilla has an aftermarket super charger bolt on for a just 8k.
Not too bad!
6.7l powerstroke gives you better gas mileage?
Depends on how and where you drive it. In-town? Maybe not but it'll depend. On the highway the diesel shines as a fuel efficient option.
2022 7.3. I tuna trucking company and tow a goose neck hear and there. And I lay enough in diesel on my 18 wheelers. Just not feasible on a pickup. Especially not with repair cost. Godzilla has plenty of power.
Great points! The gas engines these days provide plenty of torque for most needs.
Never tow with a gaser. Period . Trust me that turbo diesel is worth the extra money
All depends on what you're doing with it, why I stress so much to make sure you have the right setup.
The gasser is fine if ya only tow medium stuff a few times/year.. But pulling my 19K 5er needs that diesel. My 2020 F-450 6.7 pulls my toy hauler with ease (4:30 rears).. Last long trip with the camper I got 9 mpg overall. That gas engine would have been somewhere in the 5-6 mpg category.. Maybe..
Diesel is definitely the way to go for towing, it's why Ford only offers the Power Stroke for the F-450 as we featured a couple weeks after this video went live.
PRN_TestDrive and Ford offers the gasser for the F-650
Wait a minute. 4.3 axle with 7.3L gas can tow 20,000 lbs right? 5th wheel. Oh this is 2020 not 2022
Wow Gas version of T444E amazing
Not even close.
I don't think Ford is going to get rid of the 6.7 power stroke you're just improve the engine to be up date with a mission standards along with the 7.3 Godzilla do improve the engine is the years go by but Ford motor company could add hydrogen electric engine already all electric F150 when they decide to make F250 Super Duty all electric pick up truck
The only way they'd get rid of it is if lawmakers make diesels illegal.
@@PRNTestDrive agreed 💯
7.3l Godzilla with Tremor package. Done.
I think that's the way to go!