I think in the real world the 6.2 is a great motor. Fleets don’t care about overall power. My work has 6 of them, and they are absolutely the best motors we’ve ever run. The two oldest ones have 11,000 and 13,000 engine hours of heavy towing and they just keep going. Defining out lasting the body lol.
Same we have 6 all 10+ years old logging work trucks and they get beat on. I flat foot mine steady running logging roads at 50 mph most days and none have had issues
My 6.2 takes my retirement wherever I want! I don't care about your wanting huge HP! BECAUSE I DON'T! I WANT RELIABILITY! IT'S TRUE LLY A BAD JOKE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO REMOVE THE BODY TO WORK ON THE TRUCK! IM WAY OUT $ FAR AWAY FROM THE CITIES! ONLY FOOLISH PEOPLE WOULD USE A VEHICLE THAT MUST HAVE THE BODY REMOVED! 💩
I have a 2020 F-250 6.2 6 speed. . I think it’s great. I disagree big time with this guy. It has good power and torque for towing my two work trailers. One is 5000 lbs other is 12000 lbs. just recently added a new one to the fleet. 2024 F-250 7.3 10 speed. It has a bit more power seems to be good. I like the 10 speed trans. Always in the power band. Love the sound of the Godzilla. I had 2006 6.0 deisel. Was awesome once I bullet proofed it but I’ll never buy another deisel again. Just an oil change cost a fortune. 2 filters.
Idiot claims to be a 10 year 6.7 tech and didn't know what a compressor wheel on a turbo is and had to google it so i probably wouldn't take much advice from him on anything
Absolutely. Just don’t buy a 2020 model year when they couldn’t get cams and lifters from their normal supplier (Covid supply chain issues). New ones are fine, and why would you give something a 7/10 when you don’t see them in for repairs? If it ain’t breaking you won’t see it! 😮
2013 f250 platinum diesel here. I ripped out the CP4 pump and installed the DCR about four months ago. Hard piped the intercooler pipe and I feel pretty good with it now. Runs great.
Diesel fan boy! I sold my 6.7 and went to a 6.2 and still pull everything I want with no trouble. My Diesel cost me more in repairs in a year than the payments did. Haven't spent a penny on repairs on the 6.2
Other than lack of power I have never heard anyone complain about reliability on the 6.2. I've personally seen many hitting 350k miles and a handful hitting low 400k miles on the original motor. I have heard of a few going further but I have not seen that in person (yet) however I believe it's very possible. I'd go as far as saying it's one of the most reliable motors fords made in the last 20-30 years next to the old inline 6 300.
@@IT_GRUNT I said "next to" the 300. You could say it's more reliable and for arguments sake, sure say the 300 is. But I'd say the 6.2 is a very close second.
I've been working in a shop that has a fleet of 700 f250/350,/550 trucks , the 6.2s have lots of problems as you say. The best engine BY FAR was the 2008- 2010 F250-350 6.8 V10 ... now that was a bulletproof engine and zero problem truck.
Owing a work truck isn’t a hobby it needs to work and make money. The 6.2 is a good motor. Just ask the bean counters at any railroad or oil company. There is a reason you don’t see many diesel trucks where there is a gas option in the fleets. Good video!
I'm also a pushrod v8 guy, and when Ford finally released the new 7.3l gasser pushrod I was super stoked, probably be the only engine option I'll ever take, I love diesels too but just too damn expensive to maintain and repair, when a single injector costs over a 100bucks it ain't worth it to me, and mind you those Ford diesels have 8 of them, that's over 1000bucks just for injectors, now granted the 7.3l gasser has 8plugs 8 coils and 8 injectors so a full tuneup could very well cost more if done all at once I'm sure, but it's still a way easier engine to work on for any normal backyard mechanic and everything is very simple to get to and reach, a hundred year old technology that is tried tested and always true to this day, American pushrod v8s can't be beat, the issues you showed about the cam lobe wear looks like something seized up and probably wasn't getting oiled, or someone ran that thing super hot somehow, although I didn't actually see any blued metal I did see some discoloration on the lobe perhaps a fluke out of spec part creating to tight of clearances causing oil deprivation or something, but again I'm more than confident if I owned a 7.3l gasser that I could do all the repairs myself aside from the stupid computer side of things, worst thing that ever happened to any pickup truck was computers and sensors, can't just leave well enough alone can they, I own a 1976 f150 4x4 4spd, got the 360ci fe truck only engine, still runs like a dream and is built truly Ford tough, mine proof transmission, indestructible axles, solid 1/4in maybe slightly thicker frame, real steel body, can fix anything in it and on it within minutes and standard simple tool kit, oh how I miss the days when a roadside breakdown only took 15mins to solve and fix lol...computers and sensors does allow for more efficiency of course, but all those extras creates many more possible areas for issues, DEF is also the most horrendously obsurd and disastrous thing to any diesel engine I've ever seen in my 40yrs of living, I understand the concept, but you're literally adding more chemicals to counter act chemicals, so I question wherever this DEF is concocted how much emissions do those plants put off when making the crap??? Bet they put off more than a diesel truck does!!?? Wonder if they put some of their own DEF into their exhaust stacks at the factories it's created at lmao???
Me personally I love the 6.2 I’ve got close to 300 thousands and have never had an issue doesn’t leak a drop of anything and I’ve not been the best on maintenance lol I pull a 16 ft enclosed trailer full of tools every single day has been a great truck!!
My '11 F250 6.7L has been fully deleted, over 200K miles ago, and still runs like a mad man. I run the smallest tune in it, 440HP/880ft lbs, and pull about 19mpg around town and 25-27mpg on the highway. I need a new front seat and passenger side tow mirror, but that's it. Absolutely love this truck and will keep it forever if I am able. My Excursion has the 6.8L gasser and it just runs. It ain't fast, but it will never quit. And oil changes are cheap!
I own a 2023 F250 XL w/STX package. It has the 6.8L V8 engine. It pulls my 8,000 lb travel trailer with no issues. It is also my daily driver. Very happy with my 6.8
Nice! The XL with STX package is all I buy. I got a crew cab long bed 2022 4x4 with 7.3, 4.30 gears and 48 gallon gas tank. I got basically every option I could add on including remote start, Sirius, upfitter switches, etc. Sticker price was over 57k and with Ford A plan I got it for under 50k plus tax.
@@treeamigo8447 Nope. I can only speak about Ford 1/2 tons because I have owned a 5.0 L and a 3.5 L and their cooling capacity is nowhere close to a 3/4 ton and above. Not to mention the longer wheel base and heavier/sturdier ride that comes from a Super Duty. Also you will never find 3,822 lbs of payload capacity on a 1/2 ton truck. For my situation with my size of family it works. I have towed my 8000 lbs gvwr travel trailer with 1/2 tons many years with only one overheating issue. Once I switched to a 3/4 ton I will never go back, it’s my daily driver and vacation tow vehicle.
@@treeamigo8447 Half tons weigh 2,000 pounds less, have much smaller brakes, and get blown around a lot while towing tall trailers. It’s not even close.
I'd love to hear more from 6.8l V8 owners. I'd like to get a pretty basic extended cab, long box 4x4 with FX4 and upfitters and top marker/beakon/bed light, and dual battery. Probably drivers assist features for insurance. I live in iowa, but end up, or will e d up as far south as Texarkana a couple times a year, and though it may seem like overkill, I may end up pulling g a car on a trailer as far as central Iowa to central Arkansas once or twice a year. Possibly load down a trailer with engines to build. Nothing a properly set up half ton hasn't done, right? But for the money, the better choice is 3/4 ton. I may only buy one more vehicle in my life, if I can get the money together to start this business doing engines for classic cars and customs that want a bit more power. Also do Jeep stuff and dink with I6 gas engines and turbos more now. But this build I want seems fine to me. Plenty of power to run a handful of project engines to the shop for machining or hauling a southern car up north for a project. Gotta keep the American cars and trucks alive. It will also get my paraplegic butt back in the shop, doing what I love and off ssi, or at least mostly. I'm only 44. I want to figure out how to build the 6 and 10 R 100/140 transmissions to put into old restomods. My last F250 was a 75 HiBoy with a transplanted and warmed up 428 CJ in it. Had to pull the np203 in favor of the np205. I miss that truck, but I gotta be practical about my workhorses. Ty all, sorry I ramble.
I have a 2012 and 2013 F250 Lariat. One is a four wheel drive, and the other is a two wheel drive. They both have the 6.2 and 300,000 miles combined haven’t had any issues with engine or transmission. The only major problem I’ve had with my SuperDutys are the cab mounts. But a great local mechanic fixed them with S&B silicone bushings for $1,200 (each truck). I personally love my 6.2s. I’m not jealous of the 6.7 maintenance costs. I can still get a speeding ticket towing a trailer in my 6.2 as well.
Yes! So happy those mounts exist. I have a fleet of 13 gas V8 F250s all generations. Whats nuts is the 2 2004s and the 2001 still have stock mounts, I just did the S&B mounts on a 2010 and the 2012 is next. They just crumble. Great trucks otherwise, and the gas V8s are very economical to keep on the road.
@@austinaubinoe2195 Yeah same here, my grandfathers 2000 still has the original mounts. Cost cutting by Ford I assume. No issues since the S&Bs thank goodness.
Id buy a 7.3 if there was a option for a heavy duty 6 speed like the old 6r140. 10 speed is a over engineered pos. 6.2 is reliable matted to a reliable 6 speed. If i was in the business repairing vehicles id hate them too.
So you actually can get the 7.3L (Godzilla) with a 6-speed TorqShift, but sadly that "package" only exists (from the factory that is) in the E-Series Cutaway Van chassis and the Class 6/7 F-Series Medium Duty stuff. It's also derated to around 320-330HP, but still the same torque numbers. You see that package used a lot in shuttle buses, and things like panel trucks and step vans. I've always wondered if anybody has tried swapping that current 6-speed into an F250/350/450/550 that would usually be mated to the 10R140 if they had to write off their current 10R140 out-of-warranty. Also, I own a 2022 F250 Regular Cab with the 7.3L. The 7.3L appealed to me because it was a "return to basics" of sorts : Overhead valve and port fuel injection (versus GM's L8T with direction injection). I actually picked the F-250 over the F-150 because of all the oil consumption issues with the 5.0L Coyote, and because Ford finally had to bow to the EPA and start using cylinder deactivation on the 5.0L. This is all the type of stuff that usually leads to premature engine failure, which I obviously wanted to avoid. So yea, I didn't need a 3/4 Ton pickup, but I bought one because you can still get "more basic" powertrain package in the 3/4 Tons (at least for now anyways). I also agree with you that : The 10R140 is a finnicky transmission. I spec'd my truck with 4.30 gears, and I've found that : If you don't let that truck warm up for at least 5 minutes after it's sat for a few hours, the transmission shifts like it's broken (i.e. super hard shifts out of 1st gear, sporadic rough downshifts if you're both slowing down and turning at the same time... just weird stuff). After 2 years of ownership I've "figured out" to make the transmission "behave itself", but that also doesn't seem like something you should have to do lol. I also picked the 7.3L because : While I could afford the extra 10k for the 6.7L PowerStroke, I didn't want the additional ownership costs of a modern diesel (the fuel filters, the DEF, exhaust regen regimen, the inevitable failure of the fuel injectors, and the list goes on). It's also well known that those 6.7L's do not like to sit off for extended period of time, and in my situation my truck will sit for days sometimes until I have a need to use it. The 7.3L strikes a balance between having an acceptable amount of power for most tasks (I do not tow 20,000 pounds on a regular basis), and still getting that lower total cost of ownership of a gasoline engine over a diesel. I realize if I ever get rid of this 250 that I'll get less money for than a diesel, but I doubt it'll be enough of a hit to justify the $9,500.00+ option SKU that the 6.7L PowerStroke demanded on the 2022 build sheet, plus all the other maintenance that comes with owning a modern diesel.
I'am a retired ford mechanic and I like your show you and I agree on everything and I just bought my 2023 F250 6.7 Ho Diesel and I love it. your doing a great show Thank-you!
We have a fleet of 6.2 super dutys. They replaced the 5.4's and all the chevys. The Chevy s suffered many transmission issues and fuel pump failures. As fleet owner's, cost of operating and maintenance, the chevys are awful. During a typical 250k lifespan the chevys usually end up with two major trans repairs or overhaul and at minimum two fuel pump failures. We operate under a municipal utilities providing electric, nat gas, sewer and water. They count every penny of maintenance and operating cost. The super duties usually retire at 250k with original trans and fuel systems. Front trans bearing failures have happened with the super duties but thats a cheap fix that takes less than 5 hours to repair. Those that have the failed bearing runs nonstop for 8 - 12 hours daily. We have in my dept 15 2011 and up super duty gas and two 6.7 diesels. The 2014 6.7 f450 crew cab dump gives us the most trouble. To much to list. But , we didn't have many troubles with the 5.4 either. Our maintenance division only uses 15w40 for everything that they service, even the few generators get it. Each of our divisions have somewhere around 10 -15 6.2's.i think its somewhere around 50 total including the administrations. I hate to say it but i believe this video isn't completely accurate. I still enjoy watching the videos. I wish I could send the cost analysis for all our vehicles. Its very revealing and awful troubling for the Chevy guys. No Rams , sorry
@MrFPSWisconsin 6.2 isn't available anymore. We've already started the transition to the new 6.8. The cost has also dramatically increased on the crew chassis . Not sure , but I'm expecting our city admin to accept bids again and that would mix things up again. I'll try to screenshot the analysis with my phone. That's really protected info , not sure why. I do remember that the 6.0 had issues with the flywheel cracks, and the usual things like fuel pumps and unusual trans issues. But that's at a fleet level. One or two trucks it wouldn't matter so much. Personally I can manage a trans change, fuel pump etc. fleet owners add up every penny and decide on those details. So consider this. A 3500 crew with a mini excavator and air compressed on a trailer with 4 crew members miles away from the maintenance facility has a fuel pump failure. A tow truck, a temporary replacement truck , and all the planning and prep that went into the job that is delayed or canceled all adds up to what could be thousands of dollars. Also happens to the ford's, no truck is perfect. As for me , I was in the market for a used utility truck a few years ago and was considering all the brands . I ran across a 2500 6.0 but it was heavily abused but low miles 160k around $8500. About to pull trigger and found a 250 6.2 for $12500 much better condition with 175k from a family friend that was retiring and it needed a few maintenance items such as body bushings, evap temp sensor, tires and brakes. Now have 247k. Stumbles at idle occasionally but never shuts off. Pulls heavy loads most of the time . Also 3rd gear can't decide if it wants to contribute to the heavy weight sometimes but I can expect that now. The condition is so good I believe I'm going to have the trans overhauled and maybe a timing chain just incase.
@samuelhatch8470 I definitely agree. I once drove a dodge 2500 & the exhaust brake was amazing! I couldn't believe the difference. 2022 pulling around 10k , I also liked the lower RPM power of the Cummins. Personally I think the inline is better for heavy towing. I'll tell you a secret, the older f750 runs the Cummins engines LOL , but don't tell anyone.
@lovernchristopher i work as a fedex delivery driver for a contractor; one of our mechanics has said the same thing about the reliability of ford compared to chevy. We have a pretty varied fleet,ranging Nissans, GMs, fords, and one freightliner chassis. We cant seem to kill the freightliner, despite being an 07 with over 800k, but the GMs have pretty bad reliability. The fords give us the least problems, and the nissans ain't great but aint smack you in the face terrible. No 6.2s in our fleet, as if i remember correctly, ford never offered it in the stripped chassiss or the van cutaways that our trucks are based on.
I love my 2017 6.7. Would I love to upgrade to have a 10R140, absolutely. I don't tow super heavy but I'll tell you towing 14K lbs up 6% grades at 5K ft altitude will make any gasser sound like it's its last pull. That's where the 6.7 shines. Add more gears and it makes it look like childes play. My buddy has a new 23' 6.7 HO and he tows way heavier than me. Up the same grades he doesn't walk but runs away from me. If I had the money, I would definitely upgrade. Love your videos man. I've been watching you from the beginning. Thank you for your honest opinion, your expertise, and your hard work.
Only person I’ve seen say the 6.2 is unreliable and trash. Not powerhouse but they will run all day with no problems. More reliable than the new 7.3 and 6.7 in my opinion. 6.7 really needs to drop the CP4 and it will be nearly bulletproof but I still prefer the gas engines for longevity, low repair cost and maintenance. 6.7 does pull like a dream but it’s easily $5k+ when something breaks on it. Can put a new engine in a gas truck for the price of the fuel system on the diesel alone.
the 6.7 can be reliable IF you do a cp4 dpk(no need to replace cp4 if you always use good fuel and add lubricant), and the CCV reroute kit. but yeah i'm starting to want a 6.2. Or maybe even an old manual 6.8 v10
Thank you very much for the tips on the channel, I'm a Brazilian fan of your content, I'm also a mechanic and I intend to go to the United States and through your videos understand a little more about the automotive industry in the United States
Had a 2013 350 6.7, 200k miles, pulled our 5th wheel.and DD, as well as firewood. Loved her, a lady ran a stop sogn last year and was only insured to 15k. The truck was totaled and I cant afford another. Had no payment for years and the prices with high interest make it impossible to replace. Now my 5th wheel sits, family cant camp, this sucks. That truck was incredible.
I love my 6.2, does everything just fine for what I have. I’d say the 7.3 gasser with the proper gear ratio is a better bet than a diesel unless you tow heavy weekly. I think most buy a diesel just cause they think they need it.
6.2 is one of the most reliable engines they have ever made. I have worked for a Ford dealer for 16 years and we have never replaced one also they rarely have issues. I would put the reliability above even the v10 engine. I’m not sure where you got you info from. Most of the vehicles we have to repair are the 6.7
I’m a fleet mechanic and we run a lot of super duty trucks. 6.2’s are doggy and it sucks when they get a misfire because honestly, you’re better off replacing all of the coils, plugs and wires. You can replace one coil here and there but you’ll be working on it a lot. They do seem to stay together and not leak though. The 6.6 Chevy will eat it alive in a drag race though and I consider myself a ford guy.
I traded my 2014 Ram cummins with the Aisin for my 2022 F350 6.7 Platinum I think it is the sweet spot for these trucks before the refresh and has the big screen love the 10 speed so far and truck is a powerhouse
I’m 33 and currently do hvac. I went to my local community college for diesel mechanics. My dream career has always been to become an automotive tech. When I graduated college i couldn’t find an entry level automotive tech position so ended up in hvac. Long story short I feel like it’s time to leave my current company and still dream of becoming an automotive tech. I’m mechanically inclined, always loved learning about engines, transmissions anything automotive related, can do basic maintenance. So my main question is do you think it’s a good idea being 33 and taking on a new career? I found your channel a few days ago and just subscribed! Keep up the great work!
Take it from me,I’ve been in the industry almost 30 yrs,with majority as a shop owner. HVAC is the better career path. You’ll never quit spending thousands on tools,and the bull crap the auto makers are putting out year after year. My son is a plumber,and makes almost more money with far less hassle. HVAC guys in my area are making huge money,and will never be lacking for work!
Do you think being 33 that is older than what Ford dealerships what to hire in an entry level tech position? I have applied at 3 Ford dealerships and only get emails saying the next person will call me. For instance: I received a email from the general manager saying HR will call me then a email from HR saying a service manager will call me then no email nor phone call in 2 weeks. Those messages were all from the same dealership.
No that’s not too old at all. Maybe your lack of experience is hindering you? I was 21 when I started with a ford dealership,and I worked with guys in their 50’s and 60’s. But maybe your area has something to do with it also? I’d be willing to start at the bottom doing oil changes and service work to get my foot in the door. With the tech shortage,I don’t see any reason you wouldn’t get hired.
Shit dude, you've got plenty of time to change and grow. You've got at least 30 yrs left in the workforce. I've been looking at hvac or welding. Been a chef for over 20 years, pretty tired of baby sitting igits.
Being a automotive tech has been and still is my dream career. What’s hindering me from it first off is no one responding to me messages/applications and secondly(and really the biggest hindrance to me) I know I won’t make what I make now. I’m supporting a stay at home wife and 2 kids.
Reliable, yes. Fuel efficient? That laughably relative. I have a 92 300 with 5 speed. It gets 14-15 unloaded. Its also spinning 31" all terrains, so that does drop it a bit. Do love the fact that engine will take some abuse and just laugh.
I, a friend of mine, bought a 2015 f350 6.2 brand new, and now the truck has 375.000 miles and is still running strong .The only maintenance he made was the catalytic converter.
Work had a 6.2 F250. All it does is tow a 25 ft box trailer. Maybe 7k, not that heavy. It’s still running 4 yrs later and no breakdowns. One breakdown would ruin a days worth of work which would cost more than the pickup new.
Thanks for this video. Have to say…listening to someone give advice about an engine while running video of him working on that model engine says a lot about experience & authenticity. 👍😎🇺🇸
Ford 6.2 with 227k and over 13000 total engine hours. Outlasted all the 6.0 Chevy 2500 in the fleet by a long shot. It's pretty gutless but not any worse than the 6.0 Chevys.
Mayson... .great overview from "real-world" perspective of your trade. My '17 F350 6.7... bit lighter in weight with a 75hp bump tune, has been reliable thus far minus the seeping upper oil-pan "caulk" seal (unable to find a younger gen upper oil pan with a o-ring gasket".... thanks for your time and introspect.
ive got a 2011 crew cab long bed 4wd with the 6.2l. Been real reliable, cheap, and pulls a construction trailer with car on it at 75 mph on interstate when I need it too. I like it. Truck is in great shape as I don't drive it much. Most likely will be my forever truck.
I have too many fords to list but have these engines, 4.6 triton(f150), 5.4 triton(f350), 6.8(f450, f550) 6.2(f250, f350), and the big 6.7(2012 F350 SRW, 2015 F350 DRW). To be truthful, I do love the diesels(turbo) but I will take my GM vortec 6 liter anyday. No engine or rust issues and over 300k miles, just hate the electric issues (bcm, ecu, other)... Looking forward to electric! Thanks for the videos! Love the content!
I’ve owned a 6.2 for a few years and I also have a 2020 6.7. After buying the 6.7, I don’t care much for it. It’s got more power but the fuel mileage is the same as the 6.2. The maintenance is much more expensive and the fuel cost is more being a diesel. The 6.2 pulls out equipment just fine. If the 6.7 makes it to 100k without any major repairs, I’ll be surprised. The 6.2 has almost 250k and has never been into.
I don't know if I could afford the cost of the newer diesel trucks. Lots of extra costs to consider like buying DEF, Fuel Filter Changes, CP4 pump and Diesel is usually a buck more than gas. Kind of makes it a no brainer to go 6.2 to pull my lawn mower ha. Just the cost of a CP4 repair would pay for my 2015 6.2 XL ha ha.
We have 3x 6.2s at my work, usually carrying a 1/2 ton-1 ton of payload, I will say very underpowered, but reliable, besides the head gasket in the one 😮
I watched this video and for my preference I went with the 7.3 for my F-350 Tremor. I want to keep mine so being proactive with maintenance will be very important with my ownership of the truck. I considered the 6.2 when the redesigned 2017 trucks came out but it’s just underpowered and I’d have gone with a 6.7 for that era. Now I also know what a 10R140 is 😅 thanks!
This is exactly what I needed! Now, tell me why I should just keep towing my camper with my 2016 F150 3.5L ecoboost that has 170K. Tell me I can't afford it. Tell me hard times are coming. Talk some sense to me.
My 2016 f150 has the 3.5 ecoboost and has 230000 miles and still going strong. I relentlessly maintain it. 5000 mile oil changes and I add motorkote. No cam phaser, turbo, or timing chain troubles
If you are going to daily your truck and your one way commute is under 20 miles get the gas. If you're not or have a long daily drive the diesel is fine. These new trucks don't like short drives due to all the emissions systems needing time and heat to work. They will fail more rapidly with short drives.
The problem with the diesel engines is the complex emissions systems that cause the trucks to go into limp mode at the drop of a hat, as well as being incredibly expensive to own and maintain.
My father had a 2011 3-50. 6.7 motor. Glow plug broke, trashed the motor. Put 3 turbos on it. Radiator. Couple other minor things. It was used to haul almost daily, but definitely was not a reliable truck. He has a 17 now with almost no issues. Both trucks were deleted with very mild tunes and maintenance was religiously done.
I am a GM master tech and Ford Master tech and i am personally i big Ford guy and the 2017 and up 6.2 was an amazing engine i put 230.000 on mine and have seen them with 370,000 miles and i towed over 8000-12000 on a regular bases
Owning a diesel post-2003 is more of a lifestyle/hobby choice for 90%, not a requirement. I owned 7.3L IDIs back in the day. 185hp & maybe 400lbs of tq. I pulled over 20,000# several times. That was back when diesel was 25% cheaper than gas, and i was able to achieve 22 mpg at times. Now diesel is 25% more than gas, and the mpg is the same or worse. Lol It's a hobby.... lol... Fancy grocery getters.
I had a 6.2 Boss work truck and even though I never had any issues it was notorious in 2012 when I drove it. I’m still holding out hope that Cummins or FMC develops and integrates the opposed piston like the Achates. Based on what you can find on UA-cam, it’s still a prototypical engine, there’s a 10.6L in a Walmart Peterbilt, but there’s no updates on if or when it’ll ever hit the market. Its BHP and thermal rejection numbers seem astronomical compared to 4 stroke fuel burners.
I would love to have a podcast or online chat with you. I just replaced my POS 3.5L EB for a 2020 6.2L and couldn't be happier. I tow a 7klbs parachute through the Rocky Mountains and it does amazing! My F150 was always overheating or breaking down. I get you're a tech, but I'm a recreational truck user, a diesel makes no sense for people like me. The 6.2, especially under a budget, is perfect.
My 2011 6.7 King Ranch leaks like a sieve everywhere! I'm pretty sure the block is made out of some sorta sponge material. Bought it new and put a rough 500K on it. Not only should it have blown up or locked up with some of the problems I've discovered, but sometimes I didn't even know there was anything wrong, I just discovered the issue while working on something else. Recently, I went to change out the front coils and all the diff fluid came pouring out the axle housing! Not only were the outer axle dust seals destroyed, but the inner seals and carrier & pinion bearings were obliterated, but the truck didn't care, $1k on RockAuto later, she has a whole lotta new Timken front end parts for another 500K, but did she complain or ask for it, no, I love that truck 🥲
Got a 6.4 and she going good at 260,000. At 48,000 Tuned and Deleted egr def and got a cold air intake/ real oil/stabalizer. 612.3rwhp 1005 lbft tourque Sweet ride if you can find one low mileage.
Being a 1995 dually F350 Centurion 460 gas owner. I am looking to go to a diesel for very, very cold weather, and a very mountainous area, pulling everything from tag along to 5th wheel and 50hp tractors. I'm looking for a video on your idea on an F350 single axle and dually and the only reason I am ask is because of a statement you post in a video. "You did not know and did not have that much experience on that engine." Honesty is a breath of fresh air. Not looking on advise on what to purchase, but the engines and transmissions hold up and issues. I am a very tight on maintenance do it on time or before.
I just bought a new 7.3 after trading my 2012 6.2 , only trading due to rust. Have to say, hope the new 7.3 is as reliable as my 6.2! Had 120,000. Only repairs were minor reg. Maintenance. My only gripe is, the damn exhaust manifolds! Had them Replaced them a few times on both the 5.4 and 6.2! Drove me crazy! Hoping not an issue with 7.3
Wow the cummins must be a 20/10 on the scale!😂 thanks for the info, now im skeptical of the 6.2 which i thought was a good engine. I’ll never own a power-stroke, too many bad experiences and personal friends had bad experiences.
We have a few 6.2 f250 trucks one with the torque shift first year of the 6.2 and it runs and runs . Been a fantastic work truck with a flat bed tows a trailer yes it struggles on some of the steeper hills 😂.
2014 F350 6.7 diesel 80k miles just cost me 14.600 $ cash to fix the fuel pump after Cp4 catastrophic failure .... surprised anyone would buy another one ...my 92 f250 250k miles is a better truck with the 7.5 460
there’s a fix for that by S & S they make a DCR replacement. I also just saw a video of 1 million mile 6.7 with original CP4 so that tells me something.
@@kao9379 yes I tried to have the dealership install the DCR conversion but they wouldn't warranty it ...and there was no contaminants in the fuel they tested for DEF and water. .was just a shitty fuel pump by Bosche....in Canada they have better diesel so it's a United States thing
I'm honestly amazed you said they are crap don't buy them lol all 3 of are 6.2 f250 had over 280,000 miles with regular maintenance and pulled 20ft enclosed trailers with 2 gutter machines and all materials.most amazing work trucks we have seen.
I’m happy he finally addressed all the 6.7 hate he gets on videos which I never understood why people are always saying they’re trash. I mean come on he’s a ford tech of course you see a bunch of ford
I can agree on the biggest issue any engine encounters and thats lack of mantance from the owner. Take care of your equipment, and don't let any mechanic replace those punny little cam pins that sher off on the Cummins have a heavey duty cam pin machined in its place keyed in.
I have a 2011 F250 with the 6.2, been going pretty strong so far. I did have to get the radiator replaced due to a hair line crack, due to a winter that dipped down to -48°.😅 Other than that, just been standard interval servicing.
Strange opinion on the 6.2 gas. I’ve only ever seen positives about it, reliable and does the job. Yeah they’re down on power, but most that I see in company fleets have over 200k with just normal maintenance.
I do not t think this channel of this man is a joke. He is talking with real experience. I had a 6.2 in a raptor and it was extremely reliable. 185,000 when i traded it off. I never had a problem, but my friend had many issues with it.
My 04 5.9 2500 4x4 stage 2 transmission billlet torque converter etc stock Injectors banks tuner banks air intake 4 inches exhaust i had 420 hp 800lbs i smoked a 2017 6.7 powerstroke wasnt expecting myself to win
Just some things I would like to add that he missed. First, the 6.2 is actually a pretty good engine especially when you compare it to the 5.4 it replaced. I think if you want to pull up to 10k with it it will do just fine. You could probably go a bit higher if you just tow in town or same rural highways. But if its a cab and chassis truck then forget the 6.2 they derate them about 100hp for emission and they have no balls what so ever, on par with a 5.4. The 2011-2014 6.7 I would avoid because they are known to have turbo problems and exhaust manifold studs break. But if you know that the turbo has been replaced or exhaust manifold studs have been replaced they are ok. I would go with 2015 up since they came with a bigger turbo that doesn't have bearing issues and also the updated exhaust manifold studs. Plus the 2015 and up get an exhaust brake that works awesome. The 6r140 are pretty bulletproof except I have known them to shift hard or weird on the 2-3 or 5-6 shift. Usually, it is just the valve body that needs to be replaced. Other than that they are pretty bulletproof as long as you do regular fluid changes. I just got a 24 f250 with the 6.7HO, I only have like 450 miles on it so I haven't hooked up a trailer but the but dyno says that its gonna pull hard.
I bought my 2019 F250 PS because of the 10 speed in my 2019 F150. The truck wouldn't downshift, would sometimes just not go. They did 3 or 4 programs on the 10speed and never got it right.
Bro, the 6.2L is crazy reliable. I have a 2011 that has towed a 30ft trailer it’s entire life. Does it lack power? Absolutely. But it’s been incredibly reliable. As reliable as my ‘13 F150 5.0L. Literally my only complaint is it should have more power for the amount of fuel it guzzles.
They need to get away from the CP4!! All the excuses about getting water in the fuel or not changing the fuel pumps are not accurate! Unfortunately we have no control over contaminated fuel from different stations. I've seen trucks with under 25,000 miles have a CP4 failure and the dealership try not to cover it under warranty($10,000-$14,000)! Ridiculous!! I might go back to a F250 with the diesel if they would stop using the CP4. Even Ram was smart enough to get away from them after having issues with them!!
I'm buying a f250 this year and am sorting out which engine to buy. You didn't mention in the video why the 6.2l was such a bad engine. Could you explain why we shouldn't buy it other than the obvious lower power and torque numbers? Thanks for the videos!
I think in the real world the 6.2 is a great motor. Fleets don’t care about overall power.
My work has 6 of them, and they are absolutely the best motors we’ve ever run.
The two oldest ones have 11,000 and 13,000 engine hours of heavy towing and they just keep going. Defining out lasting the body lol.
Yah bro has no idea what he’s saying when he gives them a 2/10
Same we have 6 all 10+ years old logging work trucks and they get beat on. I flat foot mine steady running logging roads at 50 mph most days and none have had issues
We got two 6.2 f250s with 300k+ miles. No issues
Same with me < I have a 2017 6.2 gas , no issues.
They're like GM's 6.0 Vortec. Underpowered but run forever
My 6.2 takes my retirement wherever I want! I don't care about your wanting huge HP! BECAUSE I DON'T! I WANT RELIABILITY! IT'S TRUE LLY A BAD JOKE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO REMOVE THE BODY TO WORK ON THE TRUCK! IM WAY OUT $ FAR AWAY FROM THE CITIES! ONLY FOOLISH PEOPLE WOULD USE A VEHICLE THAT MUST HAVE THE BODY REMOVED!
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Did you tow a lot?
I have a 2020 F-250 6.2 6 speed. . I think it’s great. I disagree big time with this guy. It has good power and torque for towing my two work trailers. One is 5000 lbs other is 12000 lbs.
just recently added a new one to the fleet. 2024 F-250 7.3 10 speed. It has a bit more power seems to be good. I like the 10 speed trans. Always in the power band. Love the sound of the Godzilla.
I had 2006 6.0 deisel. Was awesome once I bullet proofed it but I’ll never buy another deisel again. Just an oil change cost a fortune. 2 filters.
Make a video about the top 10 things you would upgrade / change in the 6.7 and what you would put in instead. Would be dope
Idiot claims to be a 10 year 6.7 tech and didn't know what a compressor wheel on a turbo is and had to google it so i probably wouldn't take much advice from him on anything
7.3 gasser unless you own an excavation or haul triple axle trailers on a regular basis. 10 speed with gas is under rated imo.
Absolutely. Just don’t buy a 2020 model year when they couldn’t get cams and lifters from their normal supplier (Covid supply chain issues). New ones are fine, and why would you give something a 7/10 when you don’t see them in for repairs? If it ain’t breaking you won’t see it! 😮
Yeahhh I like that 7.3 😍
2013 f250 platinum diesel here. I ripped out the CP4 pump and installed the DCR about four months ago. Hard piped the intercooler pipe and I feel pretty good with it now. Runs great.
Diesel fan boy! I sold my 6.7 and went to a 6.2 and still pull everything I want with no trouble. My Diesel cost me more in repairs in a year than the payments did. Haven't spent a penny on repairs on the 6.2
I agree he said the 6.7 was good and named 100 problems with them
You must not pull very heavy then.
@@az678910 my brothers 18 gas job pulls everything my 6.7 does without all the extra service visits this will be my last diesel to each his own
5 years with a 6.7 and never had to do anything other than oil change/filter changes
Gas is great if can't afford 6.7.
Other than lack of power I have never heard anyone complain about reliability on the 6.2. I've personally seen many hitting 350k miles and a handful hitting low 400k miles on the original motor. I have heard of a few going further but I have not seen that in person (yet) however I believe it's very possible. I'd go as far as saying it's one of the most reliable motors fords made in the last 20-30 years next to the old inline 6 300.
I think the 300 would be more reliable. The Boss is a very reliable motor though.
@@IT_GRUNT I said "next to" the 300. You could say it's more reliable and for arguments sake, sure say the 300 is. But I'd say the 6.2 is a very close second.
@IT_GRUNT pulling lawnmowers the 300;is perfect. We pull 8000-12000 pounds with the 6.2, the 300 wouldn't move it.
440k in my 6.2 and it works every day
I've got a XLT with a 6.2 ...with 488320
I've been working in a shop that has a fleet of 700 f250/350,/550 trucks , the 6.2s have lots of problems as you say. The best engine BY FAR was the 2008- 2010 F250-350 6.8 V10 ... now that was a bulletproof engine and zero problem truck.
What 6.2 issues are you seeing most frequently?
Owing a work truck isn’t a hobby it needs to work and make money. The 6.2 is a good motor. Just ask the bean counters at any railroad or oil company. There is a reason you don’t see many diesel trucks where there is a gas option in the fleets. Good video!
I'm also a pushrod v8 guy, and when Ford finally released the new 7.3l gasser pushrod I was super stoked, probably be the only engine option I'll ever take, I love diesels too but just too damn expensive to maintain and repair, when a single injector costs over a 100bucks it ain't worth it to me, and mind you those Ford diesels have 8 of them, that's over 1000bucks just for injectors, now granted the 7.3l gasser has 8plugs 8 coils and 8 injectors so a full tuneup could very well cost more if done all at once I'm sure, but it's still a way easier engine to work on for any normal backyard mechanic and everything is very simple to get to and reach, a hundred year old technology that is tried tested and always true to this day, American pushrod v8s can't be beat, the issues you showed about the cam lobe wear looks like something seized up and probably wasn't getting oiled, or someone ran that thing super hot somehow, although I didn't actually see any blued metal I did see some discoloration on the lobe perhaps a fluke out of spec part creating to tight of clearances causing oil deprivation or something, but again I'm more than confident if I owned a 7.3l gasser that I could do all the repairs myself aside from the stupid computer side of things, worst thing that ever happened to any pickup truck was computers and sensors, can't just leave well enough alone can they, I own a 1976 f150 4x4 4spd, got the 360ci fe truck only engine, still runs like a dream and is built truly Ford tough, mine proof transmission, indestructible axles, solid 1/4in maybe slightly thicker frame, real steel body, can fix anything in it and on it within minutes and standard simple tool kit, oh how I miss the days when a roadside breakdown only took 15mins to solve and fix lol...computers and sensors does allow for more efficiency of course, but all those extras creates many more possible areas for issues, DEF is also the most horrendously obsurd and disastrous thing to any diesel engine I've ever seen in my 40yrs of living, I understand the concept, but you're literally adding more chemicals to counter act chemicals, so I question wherever this DEF is concocted how much emissions do those plants put off when making the crap??? Bet they put off more than a diesel truck does!!?? Wonder if they put some of their own DEF into their exhaust stacks at the factories it's created at lmao???
Me personally I love the 6.2 I’ve got close to 300 thousands and have never had an issue doesn’t leak a drop of anything and I’ve not been the best on maintenance lol I pull a 16 ft enclosed trailer full of tools every single day has been a great truck!!
Cute
My 1998 1.9 vw tdi had over 300,000 when I got it in 2010 lol.
@@fastinradfordable How's the tdi for towing?
I’m 61 yrs old and I have a 2021 with the 7.3/10 spd combo. Best truck I’ve ever owned!!!!
My '11 F250 6.7L has been fully deleted, over 200K miles ago, and still runs like a mad man. I run the smallest tune in it, 440HP/880ft lbs, and pull about 19mpg around town and 25-27mpg on the highway. I need a new front seat and passenger side tow mirror, but that's it. Absolutely love this truck and will keep it forever if I am able. My Excursion has the 6.8L gasser and it just runs. It ain't fast, but it will never quit. And oil changes are cheap!
27 mpg highway? lol. Good try.
@@cliffordmontana4562 You must run a stock intake and tune, you can get 27 on the highway easy with a good tune and a good foot(unloaded).
My bone stock 2020 gets 25mpg on the highway. I could easily see a tuned truck get 27mpg.
What program did you use for the delete? HPTuners?
@@michiganrespondersfor an 11? It probably fell off in a boating accident
I own a 2023 F250 XL w/STX package. It has the 6.8L V8 engine. It pulls my 8,000 lb travel trailer with no issues. It is also my daily driver. Very happy with my 6.8
Nice! The XL with STX package is all I buy. I got a crew cab long bed 2022 4x4 with 7.3, 4.30 gears and 48 gallon gas tank. I got basically every option I could add on including remote start, Sirius, upfitter switches, etc. Sticker price was over 57k and with Ford A plan I got it for under 50k plus tax.
8000 lol. You could've bought a 1/2 ton.
@@treeamigo8447 Nope. I can only speak about Ford 1/2 tons because I have owned a 5.0 L and a 3.5 L and their cooling capacity is nowhere close to a 3/4 ton and above. Not to mention the longer wheel base and heavier/sturdier ride that comes from a Super Duty. Also you will never find 3,822 lbs of payload capacity on a 1/2 ton truck. For my situation with my size of family it works. I have towed my 8000 lbs gvwr travel trailer with 1/2 tons many years with only one overheating issue. Once I switched to a 3/4 ton I will never go back, it’s my daily driver and vacation tow vehicle.
@@treeamigo8447 Half tons weigh 2,000 pounds less, have much smaller brakes, and get blown around a lot while towing tall trailers. It’s not even close.
I'd love to hear more from 6.8l V8 owners. I'd like to get a pretty basic extended cab, long box 4x4 with FX4 and upfitters and top marker/beakon/bed light, and dual battery. Probably drivers assist features for insurance. I live in iowa, but end up, or will e d up as far south as Texarkana a couple times a year, and though it may seem like overkill, I may end up pulling g a car on a trailer as far as central Iowa to central Arkansas once or twice a year. Possibly load down a trailer with engines to build. Nothing a properly set up half ton hasn't done, right? But for the money, the better choice is 3/4 ton. I may only buy one more vehicle in my life, if I can get the money together to start this business doing engines for classic cars and customs that want a bit more power. Also do Jeep stuff and dink with I6 gas engines and turbos more now. But this build I want seems fine to me. Plenty of power to run a handful of project engines to the shop for machining or hauling a southern car up north for a project. Gotta keep the American cars and trucks alive. It will also get my paraplegic butt back in the shop, doing what I love and off ssi, or at least mostly. I'm only 44. I want to figure out how to build the 6 and 10 R 100/140 transmissions to put into old restomods. My last F250 was a 75 HiBoy with a transplanted and warmed up 428 CJ in it. Had to pull the np203 in favor of the np205. I miss that truck, but I gotta be practical about my workhorses. Ty all, sorry I ramble.
I have a 2012 and 2013 F250 Lariat. One is a four wheel drive, and the other is a two wheel drive. They both have the 6.2 and 300,000 miles combined haven’t had any issues with engine or transmission. The only major problem I’ve had with my SuperDutys are the cab mounts. But a great local mechanic fixed them with S&B silicone bushings for $1,200 (each truck).
I personally love my 6.2s.
I’m not jealous of the 6.7 maintenance costs. I can still get a speeding ticket towing a trailer in my 6.2 as well.
Yes! So happy those mounts exist. I have a fleet of 13 gas V8 F250s all generations. Whats nuts is the 2 2004s and the 2001 still have stock mounts, I just did the S&B mounts on a 2010 and the 2012 is next. They just crumble. Great trucks otherwise, and the gas V8s are very economical to keep on the road.
I also don't get the underpowered thing with 400Hp. The 5.4L 2 valves make like 240 and still get the job done.
@@austinaubinoe2195 Yeah same here, my grandfathers 2000 still has the original mounts. Cost cutting by Ford I assume.
No issues since the S&Bs thank goodness.
Id buy a 7.3 if there was a option for a heavy duty 6 speed like the old 6r140. 10 speed is a over engineered pos. 6.2 is reliable matted to a reliable 6 speed. If i was in the business repairing vehicles id hate them too.
So you actually can get the 7.3L (Godzilla) with a 6-speed TorqShift, but sadly that "package" only exists (from the factory that is) in the E-Series Cutaway Van chassis and the Class 6/7 F-Series Medium Duty stuff. It's also derated to around 320-330HP, but still the same torque numbers. You see that package used a lot in shuttle buses, and things like panel trucks and step vans.
I've always wondered if anybody has tried swapping that current 6-speed into an F250/350/450/550 that would usually be mated to the 10R140 if they had to write off their current 10R140 out-of-warranty.
Also, I own a 2022 F250 Regular Cab with the 7.3L. The 7.3L appealed to me because it was a "return to basics" of sorts : Overhead valve and port fuel injection (versus GM's L8T with direction injection). I actually picked the F-250 over the F-150 because of all the oil consumption issues with the 5.0L Coyote, and because Ford finally had to bow to the EPA and start using cylinder deactivation on the 5.0L. This is all the type of stuff that usually leads to premature engine failure, which I obviously wanted to avoid. So yea, I didn't need a 3/4 Ton pickup, but I bought one because you can still get "more basic" powertrain package in the 3/4 Tons (at least for now anyways).
I also agree with you that : The 10R140 is a finnicky transmission. I spec'd my truck with 4.30 gears, and I've found that : If you don't let that truck warm up for at least 5 minutes after it's sat for a few hours, the transmission shifts like it's broken (i.e. super hard shifts out of 1st gear, sporadic rough downshifts if you're both slowing down and turning at the same time... just weird stuff). After 2 years of ownership I've "figured out" to make the transmission "behave itself", but that also doesn't seem like something you should have to do lol.
I also picked the 7.3L because : While I could afford the extra 10k for the 6.7L PowerStroke, I didn't want the additional ownership costs of a modern diesel (the fuel filters, the DEF, exhaust regen regimen, the inevitable failure of the fuel injectors, and the list goes on). It's also well known that those 6.7L's do not like to sit off for extended period of time, and in my situation my truck will sit for days sometimes until I have a need to use it.
The 7.3L strikes a balance between having an acceptable amount of power for most tasks (I do not tow 20,000 pounds on a regular basis), and still getting that lower total cost of ownership of a gasoline engine over a diesel. I realize if I ever get rid of this 250 that I'll get less money for than a diesel, but I doubt it'll be enough of a hit to justify the $9,500.00+ option SKU that the 6.7L PowerStroke demanded on the 2022 build sheet, plus all the other maintenance that comes with owning a modern diesel.
Aside from occasional spark plug issues, i think the 3V triton V10 is very good budget based choice.
I'am a retired ford mechanic and I like your show you and I agree on everything and I just bought my 2023 F250 6.7 Ho Diesel and I love it. your doing a great show Thank-you!
Best part about owing a 6.2 is not having to work on it. The 6.7 has been pretty much problem free except def hesters and a intercooler
Lol plenty more than that with a 6.7
@@stevenbrooks1243yea if you’re going 11-14
We have a fleet of 6.2 super dutys. They replaced the 5.4's and all the chevys. The Chevy s suffered many transmission issues and fuel pump failures. As fleet owner's, cost of operating and maintenance, the chevys are awful. During a typical 250k lifespan the chevys usually end up with two major trans repairs or overhaul and at minimum two fuel pump failures. We operate under a municipal utilities providing electric, nat gas, sewer and water. They count every penny of maintenance and operating cost. The super duties usually retire at 250k with original trans and fuel systems. Front trans bearing failures have happened with the super duties but thats a cheap fix that takes less than 5 hours to repair. Those that have the failed bearing runs nonstop for 8 - 12 hours daily. We have in my dept 15 2011 and up super duty gas and two 6.7 diesels. The 2014 6.7 f450 crew cab dump gives us the most trouble. To much to list. But , we didn't have many troubles with the 5.4 either. Our maintenance division only uses 15w40 for everything that they service, even the few generators get it. Each of our divisions have somewhere around 10 -15 6.2's.i think its somewhere around 50 total including the administrations. I hate to say it but i believe this video isn't completely accurate. I still enjoy watching the videos. I wish I could send the cost analysis for all our vehicles. Its very revealing and awful troubling for the Chevy guys. No Rams , sorry
Can you email me the cost breakdown? Currently looking between 6.2 f250 and 6.0 2500 chevy
Ford's have a barbie exhaust brake. Sorry that's the truth.
@MrFPSWisconsin 6.2 isn't available anymore. We've already started the transition to the new 6.8. The cost has also dramatically increased on the crew chassis . Not sure , but I'm expecting our city admin to accept bids again and that would mix things up again. I'll try to screenshot the analysis with my phone. That's really protected info , not sure why. I do remember that the 6.0 had issues with the flywheel cracks, and the usual things like fuel pumps and unusual trans issues. But that's at a fleet level. One or two trucks it wouldn't matter so much. Personally I can manage a trans change, fuel pump etc. fleet owners add up every penny and decide on those details. So consider this. A 3500 crew with a mini excavator and air compressed on a trailer with 4 crew members miles away from the maintenance facility has a fuel pump failure. A tow truck, a temporary replacement truck , and all the planning and prep that went into the job that is delayed or canceled all adds up to what could be thousands of dollars. Also happens to the ford's, no truck is perfect. As for me , I was in the market for a used utility truck a few years ago and was considering all the brands . I ran across a 2500 6.0 but it was heavily abused but low miles 160k around $8500. About to pull trigger and found a 250 6.2 for $12500 much better condition with 175k from a family friend that was retiring and it needed a few maintenance items such as body bushings, evap temp sensor, tires and brakes. Now have 247k. Stumbles at idle occasionally but never shuts off. Pulls heavy loads most of the time . Also 3rd gear can't decide if it wants to contribute to the heavy weight sometimes but I can expect that now. The condition is so good I believe I'm going to have the trans overhauled and maybe a timing chain just incase.
@samuelhatch8470 I definitely agree. I once drove a dodge 2500 & the exhaust brake was amazing! I couldn't believe the difference. 2022 pulling around 10k , I also liked the lower RPM power of the Cummins. Personally I think the inline is better for heavy towing. I'll tell you a secret, the older f750 runs the Cummins engines LOL , but don't tell anyone.
@lovernchristopher i work as a fedex delivery driver for a contractor; one of our mechanics has said the same thing about the reliability of ford compared to chevy. We have a pretty varied fleet,ranging Nissans, GMs, fords, and one freightliner chassis. We cant seem to kill the freightliner, despite being an 07 with over 800k, but the GMs have pretty bad reliability. The fords give us the least problems, and the nissans ain't great but aint smack you in the face terrible. No 6.2s in our fleet, as if i remember correctly, ford never offered it in the stripped chassiss or the van cutaways that our trucks are based on.
I love my 2017 6.7. Would I love to upgrade to have a 10R140, absolutely. I don't tow super heavy but I'll tell you towing 14K lbs up 6% grades at 5K ft altitude will make any gasser sound like it's its last pull. That's where the 6.7 shines. Add more gears and it makes it look like childes play. My buddy has a new 23' 6.7 HO and he tows way heavier than me. Up the same grades he doesn't walk but runs away from me. If I had the money, I would definitely upgrade. Love your videos man. I've been watching you from the beginning. Thank you for your honest opinion, your expertise, and your hard work.
Only person I’ve seen say the 6.2 is unreliable and trash. Not powerhouse but they will run all day with no problems. More reliable than the new 7.3 and 6.7 in my opinion. 6.7 really needs to drop the CP4 and it will be nearly bulletproof but I still prefer the gas engines for longevity, low repair cost and maintenance. 6.7 does pull like a dream but it’s easily $5k+ when something breaks on it. Can put a new engine in a gas truck for the price of the fuel system on the diesel alone.
I have a 6.7 and I have never had any issues with my CP4
A gas over a diesel for longevity......weird 😂
He hates the 6.2 because he doesn't make any money making repairs on them since they don't break.😂😂
the 6.7 can be reliable IF you do a cp4 dpk(no need to replace cp4 if you always use good fuel and add lubricant), and the CCV reroute kit. but yeah i'm starting to want a 6.2. Or maybe even an old manual 6.8 v10
Thank you very much for the tips on the channel, I'm a Brazilian fan of your content, I'm also a mechanic and I intend to go to the United States and through your videos understand a little more about the automotive industry in the United States
Had a 2013 350 6.7, 200k miles, pulled our 5th wheel.and DD, as well as firewood. Loved her, a lady ran a stop sogn last year and was only insured to 15k. The truck was totaled and I cant afford another. Had no payment for years and the prices with high interest make it impossible to replace. Now my 5th wheel sits, family cant camp, this sucks. That truck was incredible.
Did you not have under insured comp in your own insurance policy?
16,000 running hours on my 6.2. Never been opened up. I would have expected better from a ford channel
You would have expected better from the guy that does this daily versus your one off experience?
Yeah there's plenty of guys with plenty of anecdotes but I would trust the guy who has to open these up every damn day
16,000 is just a baby too early to tell
@@CoffeeNo0b0514was a ford dealer tech for years the 6.2 is a great reliable motor this guy is definitely just a 6.7 fanboy
Ohul leeks?
I love my 6.2, does everything just fine for what I have. I’d say the 7.3 gasser with the proper gear ratio is a better bet than a diesel unless you tow heavy weekly. I think most buy a diesel just cause they think they need it.
6.2 is one of the most reliable engines they have ever made. I have worked for a Ford dealer for 16 years and we have never replaced one also they rarely have issues. I would put the reliability above even the v10 engine. I’m not sure where you got you info from. Most of the vehicles we have to repair are the 6.7
I’m a fleet mechanic and we run a lot of super duty trucks. 6.2’s are doggy and it sucks when they get a misfire because honestly, you’re better off replacing all of the coils, plugs and wires. You can replace one coil here and there but you’ll be working on it a lot. They do seem to stay together and not leak though. The 6.6 Chevy will eat it alive in a drag race though and I consider myself a ford guy.
I traded my 2014 Ram cummins with the Aisin for my 2022 F350 6.7 Platinum I think it is the sweet spot for these trucks before the refresh and has the big screen love the 10 speed so far and truck is a powerhouse
I’m 33 and currently do hvac. I went to my local community college for diesel mechanics. My dream career has always been to become an automotive tech. When I graduated college i couldn’t find an entry level automotive tech position so ended up in hvac. Long story short I feel like it’s time to leave my current company and still dream of becoming an automotive tech. I’m mechanically inclined, always loved learning about engines, transmissions anything automotive related, can do basic maintenance. So my main question is do you think it’s a good idea being 33 and taking on a new career?
I found your channel a few days ago and just subscribed! Keep up the great work!
Take it from me,I’ve been in the industry almost 30 yrs,with majority as a shop owner. HVAC is the better career path. You’ll never quit spending thousands on tools,and the bull crap the auto makers are putting out year after year. My son is a plumber,and makes almost more money with far less hassle. HVAC guys in my area are making huge money,and will never be lacking for work!
Do you think being 33 that is older than what Ford dealerships what to hire in an entry level tech position? I have applied at 3 Ford dealerships and only get emails saying the next person will call me. For instance: I received a email from the general manager saying HR will call me then a email from HR saying a service manager will call me then no email nor phone call in 2 weeks. Those messages were all from the same dealership.
No that’s not too old at all. Maybe your lack of experience is hindering you? I was 21 when I started with a ford dealership,and I worked with guys in their 50’s and 60’s. But maybe your area has something to do with it also? I’d be willing to start at the bottom doing oil changes and service work to get my foot in the door. With the tech shortage,I don’t see any reason you wouldn’t get hired.
Shit dude, you've got plenty of time to change and grow. You've got at least 30 yrs left in the workforce. I've been looking at hvac or welding. Been a chef for over 20 years, pretty tired of baby sitting igits.
Being a automotive tech has been and still is my dream career. What’s hindering me from it first off is no one responding to me messages/applications and secondly(and really the biggest hindrance to me) I know I won’t make what I make now. I’m supporting a stay at home wife and 2 kids.
6.2 is an awesome engine...
if you can find a late 80's will a 300 six and a 5speed. not a powerhouse but decent on fuel and reliable.
Reliable, yes. Fuel efficient? That laughably relative. I have a 92 300 with 5 speed. It gets 14-15 unloaded. Its also spinning 31" all terrains, so that does drop it a bit. Do love the fact that engine will take some abuse and just laugh.
I, a friend of mine, bought a 2015 f350 6.2 brand new, and now the truck has 375.000 miles and is still running strong .The only maintenance he made was the catalytic converter.
Work had a 6.2 F250. All it does is tow a 25 ft box trailer. Maybe 7k, not that heavy. It’s still running 4 yrs later and no breakdowns. One breakdown would ruin a days worth of work which would cost more than the pickup new.
Thanks for this video. Have to say…listening to someone give advice about an engine while running video of him working on that model engine says a lot about experience & authenticity. 👍😎🇺🇸
Ford 6.2 with 227k and over 13000 total engine hours. Outlasted all the 6.0 Chevy 2500 in the fleet by a long shot. It's pretty gutless but not any worse than the 6.0 Chevys.
What? The 6.2 is the ONLY SD engine in recent time that isn't a huge POS.
Fuck a diesel.
Also fk having to remove the truck body just to work on it!
🐶💩💩💩🎶💩💩🎵😂
Pay to repair a 6.7 and you’ll understand why businesses go with the 6.2.
I don’t comment on thing very often but I’m looking to by my first f250 and first diesel truck and this was a huge help ! Keep this up !
Mayson... .great overview from "real-world" perspective of your trade. My '17 F350 6.7... bit lighter in weight with a 75hp bump tune, has been reliable thus far minus the seeping upper oil-pan "caulk" seal (unable to find a younger gen upper oil pan with a o-ring gasket".... thanks for your time and introspect.
6.2 seem pretty solid to me from what i’ve seen
ive got a 2011 crew cab long bed 4wd with the 6.2l. Been real reliable, cheap, and pulls a construction trailer with car on it at 75 mph on interstate when I need it too. I like it. Truck is in great shape as I don't drive it much. Most likely will be my forever truck.
I have too many fords to list but have these engines, 4.6 triton(f150), 5.4 triton(f350), 6.8(f450, f550) 6.2(f250, f350), and the big 6.7(2012 F350 SRW, 2015 F350 DRW). To be truthful, I do love the diesels(turbo) but I will take my GM vortec 6 liter anyday. No engine or rust issues and over 300k miles, just hate the electric issues (bcm, ecu, other)... Looking forward to electric! Thanks for the videos! Love the content!
That 6.0 is very easy to work on and extremely reliable. Terrible fuel economy (even worse than the 7.3 Godzilla).
Ford built without your tax dollars👍👍
I’m really enjoying my 6.7 power stroke. Glad it’s rated so high!
Thanks! I enjoy these vids. Og 6.7 owner here.
I’ve owned a 6.2 for a few years and I also have a 2020 6.7. After buying the 6.7, I don’t care much for it. It’s got more power but the fuel mileage is the same as the 6.2. The maintenance is much more expensive and the fuel cost is more being a diesel. The 6.2 pulls out equipment just fine. If the 6.7 makes it to 100k without any major repairs, I’ll be surprised. The 6.2 has almost 250k and has never been into.
Thanks for doing this Mayson!
Thanks!
I love my 2022 6.7!!! Great video mayson! Keep them coming
I don't know if I could afford the cost of the newer diesel trucks. Lots of extra costs to consider like buying DEF, Fuel Filter Changes, CP4 pump and Diesel is usually a buck more than gas. Kind of makes it a no brainer to go 6.2 to pull my lawn mower ha. Just the cost of a CP4 repair would pay for my 2015 6.2 XL ha ha.
My left ear loved this. Remember when you set up recording to set your audio to 'Mono' instead of 'Stereo', it sounds like you have a mono microphone
Had a 2013 6.2 Raptor and loved it. I did have a broken valve spring at 100k miles. Only problem I had in 135k miles.
We have 3x 6.2s at my work, usually carrying a 1/2 ton-1 ton of payload, I will say very underpowered, but reliable, besides the head gasket in the one 😮
Needed to see this video. Thank you for your time and efforts, along with your hard work daily ✊🏻✌🏻
I watched this video and for my preference I went with the 7.3 for my F-350 Tremor. I want to keep mine so being proactive with maintenance will be very important with my ownership of the truck. I considered the 6.2 when the redesigned 2017 trucks came out but it’s just underpowered and I’d have gone with a 6.7 for that era. Now I also know what a 10R140 is 😅 thanks!
This is exactly what I needed! Now, tell me why I should just keep towing my camper with my 2016 F150 3.5L ecoboost that has 170K. Tell me I can't afford it. Tell me hard times are coming. Talk some sense to me.
Lol
Don’t do it! Ford doesn’t make a reliable truck these days!
My 2016 f150 has the 3.5 ecoboost and has 230000 miles and still going strong. I relentlessly maintain it. 5000 mile oil changes and I add motorkote. No cam phaser, turbo, or timing chain troubles
Thank you for this video! I’m currently looking at 6.7’s versus the gas motors and I’m definitely getting a 6.7 after watching this.
If you are going to daily your truck and your one way commute is under 20 miles get the gas. If you're not or have a long daily drive the diesel is fine. These new trucks don't like short drives due to all the emissions systems needing time and heat to work. They will fail more rapidly with short drives.
The problem with the diesel engines is the complex emissions systems that cause the trucks to go into limp mode at the drop of a hat, as well as being incredibly expensive to own and maintain.
My father had a 2011 3-50. 6.7 motor. Glow plug broke, trashed the motor. Put 3 turbos on it. Radiator. Couple other minor things. It was used to haul almost daily, but definitely was not a reliable truck. He has a 17 now with almost no issues. Both trucks were deleted with very mild tunes and maintenance was religiously done.
I am a GM master tech and Ford Master tech and i am personally i big Ford guy and the 2017 and up 6.2 was an amazing engine i put 230.000 on mine and have seen them with 370,000 miles and i towed over 8000-12000 on a regular bases
I have a 2015 F250 6.2 love it pulls everything I hook up to it
Owning a diesel post-2003 is more of a lifestyle/hobby choice for 90%, not a requirement.
I owned 7.3L IDIs back in the day. 185hp & maybe 400lbs of tq. I pulled over 20,000# several times.
That was back when diesel was 25% cheaper than gas, and i was able to achieve 22 mpg at times.
Now diesel is 25% more than gas, and the mpg is the same or worse. Lol
It's a hobby.... lol...
Fancy grocery getters.
I had a 6.2 Boss work truck and even though I never had any issues it was notorious in 2012 when I drove it. I’m still holding out hope that Cummins or FMC develops and integrates the opposed piston like the Achates. Based on what you can find on UA-cam, it’s still a prototypical engine, there’s a 10.6L in a Walmart Peterbilt, but there’s no updates on if or when it’ll ever hit the market. Its BHP and thermal rejection numbers seem astronomical compared to 4 stroke fuel burners.
I would love to have a podcast or online chat with you. I just replaced my POS 3.5L EB for a 2020 6.2L and couldn't be happier. I tow a 7klbs parachute through the Rocky Mountains and it does amazing! My F150 was always overheating or breaking down.
I get you're a tech, but I'm a recreational truck user, a diesel makes no sense for people like me. The 6.2, especially under a budget, is perfect.
My 2011 6.7 King Ranch leaks like a sieve everywhere! I'm pretty sure the block is made out of some sorta sponge material. Bought it new and put a rough 500K on it. Not only should it have blown up or locked up with some of the problems I've discovered, but sometimes I didn't even know there was anything wrong, I just discovered the issue while working on something else. Recently, I went to change out the front coils and all the diff fluid came pouring out the axle housing! Not only were the outer axle dust seals destroyed, but the inner seals and carrier & pinion bearings were obliterated, but the truck didn't care, $1k on RockAuto later, she has a whole lotta new Timken front end parts for another 500K, but did she complain or ask for it, no, I love that truck 🥲
Got a 6.4 and she going good at 260,000. At 48,000 Tuned and Deleted egr def and got a cold air intake/ real oil/stabalizer.
612.3rwhp 1005 lbft tourque
Sweet ride if you can find one low mileage.
Being a 1995 dually F350 Centurion 460 gas owner. I am looking to go to a diesel for very, very cold weather, and a very mountainous area, pulling everything from tag along to 5th wheel and 50hp tractors. I'm looking for a video on your idea on an F350 single axle and dually and the only reason I am ask is because of a statement you post in a video. "You did not know and did not have that much experience on that engine." Honesty is a breath of fresh air. Not looking on advise on what to purchase, but the engines and transmissions hold up and issues. I am a very tight on maintenance do it on time or before.
Great Video! Thank you 🔥👏💪🫶
I just bought a new 7.3 after trading my 2012 6.2 , only trading due to rust. Have to say, hope the new 7.3 is as reliable as my 6.2! Had 120,000. Only repairs were minor reg. Maintenance. My only gripe is, the damn exhaust manifolds! Had them Replaced them a few times on both the 5.4 and 6.2! Drove me crazy! Hoping not an issue with 7.3
Our 17 6.2 gasser company truck has plenty of power it handles everything we throw at it
I love my 6.2 can pull slip all the across the intersection. The problem I have with the 7.3 is you get the more problematic 10spd transmission.
Wow the cummins must be a 20/10 on the scale!😂 thanks for the info, now im skeptical of the 6.2 which i thought was a good engine. I’ll never own a power-stroke, too many bad experiences and personal friends had bad experiences.
We have a few 6.2 f250 trucks one with the torque shift first year of the 6.2 and it runs and runs . Been a fantastic work truck with a flat bed tows a trailer yes it struggles on some of the steeper hills 😂.
The 6.8 is now also available on the XLT trim. I think they just updated this option recently.
2014 F350 6.7 diesel 80k miles just cost me 14.600 $ cash to fix the fuel pump after Cp4 catastrophic failure .... surprised anyone would buy another one ...my 92 f250 250k miles is a better truck with the 7.5 460
there’s a fix for that by S & S they make a DCR replacement. I also just saw a video of 1 million mile 6.7 with original CP4 so that tells me something.
@@kao9379 yes I tried to have the dealership install the DCR conversion but they wouldn't warranty it ...and there was no contaminants in the fuel they tested for DEF and water. .was just a shitty fuel pump by Bosche....in Canada they have better diesel so it's a United States thing
Hey Mayson Awesome Video Thanks for the good advise
I'm honestly amazed you said they are crap don't buy them lol all 3 of are 6.2 f250 had over 280,000 miles with regular maintenance and pulled 20ft enclosed trailers with 2 gutter machines and all materials.most amazing work trucks we have seen.
Thats thing, they're work trucks. This guy aint taking that into account.
I would love to upgrade to a f250, I have a 2015 f150 3.5ecoboost, 240k miles love my truck runs like it’s brand new.
I’m happy he finally addressed all the 6.7 hate he gets on videos which I never understood why people are always saying they’re trash. I mean come on he’s a ford tech of course you see a bunch of ford
They also made twice as many 6.7ps than dodge and Chevy combined in the equivalent years so that another reason
I can agree on the biggest issue any engine encounters and thats lack of mantance from the owner. Take care of your equipment, and don't let any mechanic replace those punny little cam pins that sher off on the Cummins have a heavey duty cam pin machined in its place keyed in.
The last good Ford truck I've owned was a 1968 f100 300/6 3speed manual. Just buy a Toyota Tundra and be done. Everyone have fun with that statement.
I love Tundra's just wish they made a 3/4 ton truck
Congrats on Senior Master, young man. That's not easy, incredible accomplishment!
I have a 2011 F250 with the 6.2, been going pretty strong so far. I did have to get the radiator replaced due to a hair line crack, due to a winter that dipped down to -48°.😅
Other than that, just been standard interval servicing.
No issues with my 6.2 !!! 200k on it
Really enjoyed your video!
Strange opinion on the 6.2 gas. I’ve only ever seen positives about it, reliable and does the job. Yeah they’re down on power, but most that I see in company fleets have over 200k with just normal maintenance.
I do not t think this channel of this man is a joke. He is talking with real experience. I had a 6.2 in a raptor and it was extremely reliable. 185,000 when i traded it off. I never had a problem, but my friend had many issues with it.
I have a few fleets in my area they love the 6.2. They are very reliable.
My 04 5.9 2500 4x4 stage 2 transmission billlet torque converter etc stock Injectors banks tuner banks air intake 4 inches exhaust i had 420 hp 800lbs i smoked a 2017 6.7 powerstroke wasnt expecting myself to win
Just some things I would like to add that he missed. First, the 6.2 is actually a pretty good engine especially when you compare it to the 5.4 it replaced. I think if you want to pull up to 10k with it it will do just fine. You could probably go a bit higher if you just tow in town or same rural highways. But if its a cab and chassis truck then forget the 6.2 they derate them about 100hp for emission and they have no balls what so ever, on par with a 5.4. The 2011-2014 6.7 I would avoid because they are known to have turbo problems and exhaust manifold studs break. But if you know that the turbo has been replaced or exhaust manifold studs have been replaced they are ok. I would go with 2015 up since they came with a bigger turbo that doesn't have bearing issues and also the updated exhaust manifold studs. Plus the 2015 and up get an exhaust brake that works awesome. The 6r140 are pretty bulletproof except I have known them to shift hard or weird on the 2-3 or 5-6 shift. Usually, it is just the valve body that needs to be replaced. Other than that they are pretty bulletproof as long as you do regular fluid changes. I just got a 24 f250 with the 6.7HO, I only have like 450 miles on it so I haven't hooked up a trailer but the but dyno says that its gonna pull hard.
I have a 2021 with the 6.7. No complaints from me.
The man has a Dale's Pale Ale Sticker. Obviously a Mechanic of class and taste...
On a serious note, I enjoy his videos.
I bought my 2019 F250 PS because of the 10 speed in my 2019 F150. The truck wouldn't downshift, would sometimes just not go. They did 3 or 4 programs on the 10speed and never got it right.
Bro, the 6.2L is crazy reliable. I have a 2011 that has towed a 30ft trailer it’s entire life. Does it lack power? Absolutely. But it’s been incredibly reliable. As reliable as my ‘13 F150 5.0L. Literally my only complaint is it should have more power for the amount of fuel it guzzles.
That's what I've seen, also. Their seeming lack of power has made them run forever
They need to get away from the CP4!! All the excuses about getting water in the fuel or not changing the fuel pumps are not accurate! Unfortunately we have no control over contaminated fuel from different stations. I've seen trucks with under 25,000 miles have a CP4 failure and the dealership try not to cover it under warranty($10,000-$14,000)! Ridiculous!! I might go back to a F250 with the diesel if they would stop using the CP4. Even Ram was smart enough to get away from them after having issues with them!!
Gotta transit Connect concept. Mystery problem. Shifter cable broke. Replace bushing.Now.I have no electrical whatsoever.
I’d like to hear more about the 6.7 HO
Same
6.2 is the best engine for a gasser. Does everything my diesel use to do plus I have 4.30 gears and has tons of torque and power
Thanks for the knowledge share!
My 4r100 still going strong 275 thousand miles in my 02 lightning
I'm buying a f250 this year and am sorting out which engine to buy. You didn't mention in the video why the 6.2l was such a bad engine. Could you explain why we shouldn't buy it other than the obvious lower power and torque numbers? Thanks for the videos!