@The fast lane truck Hi my name is Blake I have a 2003 7.3L powerstroke lariat I recently watched your video and thought it may be neat to compare a 7.3L idi to a 7.3L turbo vs a new 7.3L gas I would be willing to provide my truck being as I live in fort collins colorado and am close to your headquarters. Let me know what you think. Thanks
Hopefully you guys keep it more of a work truck than anything. Also you should try to find a turbo for it as Ford themselves put a turbo on it for its last year before the Powerstroke came out (and actually had a very restrictive downpipe on it to keep it from making more power than the upcoming 7.3 Powerstroke, and even underrated the power output of it as it had about 30 more HP and 65 more foot pounds of torque than Ford said lol Ford really wanted the attention to be on the upcoming Powerstroke but in some ways the turbo IDI was a better engine lol) We had one brand new back in 1993 and it was such an incredible engine. Ford sourced the turbo from ATS but did do a few other modifications to the base 7.3 IDI such as better valves and pistons. The factory turbo IDI 7.3 was the pinnacle of the 6.9/7.3 IDI engines, and would out pull even the 5.9 Dodge Cummins at the time (the 6.5 GM turbo diesel didn’t come close to the 7.3 or the 5.9). Hell the turbo IDI would even challenge the 460 and 454 on the highway at sea level, and would easily walk away from them in high elevations. And the down low torque of the turbo IDI the gas engines couldn’t touch LOL So at low speeds the big block gas engines didn’t hold a candle to the turbo diesel Simply put, the factory turbo 7.3 IDI was the best engine in any pickup in 1993, and it’s a shame that many people don’t even know it existed. Such an underrated engine
I put about 400K miles on my 1991 Ford F350 7.3L international. Loved that vehicle. In the end, I couldn't replace the sheet metal any more. The engine was still going strong.
Natha Mettenburg i agree what happened the time when trucks were designed to just get shit done now they have all these stupid features like app starting and heated seats OLD TRUCKS RULE!!
With the older trucks you won't cry as much when you need work done on it. Why do people need back up cameras when you have side mirrors. I've had my car backed into by people trying to back up using a camera.
Wesley Markham unless you plan on towing a whole forest of logs every day an old 90s truck will do you just fine. These things were made to last, not to suck up money.
Ricardo Cortez theres a lot of easy way to get hella money with out even trying I make 10k a weekend as my side job main job I make 3k a week without over time
@@vendediesel The Cummins DOES have glow plugs . my Ram 2500 Cummins has them(all depends on the year). I LOVE MY RAM CUMMINS! After seeing this new 7.3l ford i see a lot more people leaving Ford and going to Ram. Its just not as impressive as it should be. That's ridiculous, a super duty truck with a plastic steering wheel smh and a door "cup holder" that's not big enough to hold a real cup. "18 storage compartments " but olny 10 are truly usable. . Damn shame.. the old truck GVW is 9000 new truck is 10000.. really all this technology and just 1000 lbs more? Shameful even Rams Tradesman has a leather wheel. You should call the new truck ALMOST. Because it almost was a good idea.
@@ejcheli Right on...I've got a 1980 250 with the 351 (yeah everybody calls it '5.8liter' now but it's a 351 to me) standard 4x4. It's was abused something terrible before I bought it for a stay-at-home wood truck...I've heard the sub-frame on that series truck referred to as the 'Swiss cheese' and for good reason - it's pretty dang pitiful, but the engine and drivetrain is about as perfect as a truck can be. Beefed up the subframe with some scrap super strut and you can about yank a house off the foundation with the old truck. Heck I stumbled up on a '03 F150 with over 200K miles on in for $1500 and bought it just because...it's got the 4.2 V6, supposedly Ford's worse engine ever, and it's got nearly 300K on it now and still starts, runs, and drives good as ever. Had to put three or four coil packs on it - that and regular maintenance is all it's needed. I'm glad they've got these $50K-$100K fancy 'trucks' for them who like such stuff, but I buy a truck to work with and haul stuff with, and I want something I can fix when something goes wrong
@@allgutsnoglorywtg Actually 1994.5 is the PSD, Ford started putting a factory turbo sourced from ATS on the IDI in 93. In 1994 there are 3 different VIN letters all for the 3 different 7.3s available
I have a 1996 Ford F-250 with the 7.5 L gas engine in mint condition. If you ever want to do a comparative video I think that would be cool. I live in Colorado Springs
@@Lucky_2109 and usually cheaper to buy used, diesels have a cult following that has jacked up the price of any diesel truck higher than the gas versions.
I agree. I was given an 89 F350 with a 460, 5 speed, but I gave it to my dad. I am sure if the engine was rebuilt, it would be a beast. It makes me laugh seeing people get excited about a "new" 7.3l gas engine when larger v8 and v10 engines were popular, and trucks were still trucks.
Comparing to the 7.3L diesel makes no sense at all, just because the displacement is similar? Your right it should be the new 7.3L gas vs old 7.5L gas engine.
That would be interesting. A book printed by Bosch said that improved combustion science has lead to an increase in compression ratios (CR) by about a half point every decade. The 460 had several CRs, but for 'normal' use, it was offered with 8.0 and 8.5 CR. The new 7.3 has a 10.5 CR. This dramatically improves both power and efficiency en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_385_engine
@Nytmstr Yea but they were "detuned" by the factory in a time where emission and gas prices were a factor. If you look up how much power a 460 can make unrestricted its way way better. Then if you throw some new aluminum headers, intakes, and a cam on it, it beats the power numbers of the 7.3 godzilla thing for a fraction of the cost.
Just gonna say that putting the tremor in the “limelight” is gonna make the 7.3 IDI the ideal truck for the “working man.” This comment gave me a Rush.
i wish they would make trucks for men. bring back the 5 window cab. high and low on the floor. manual lockers, manual everything and make them at a price a normal guy can afford. if you cut out all the soy-boy city slicker crap the price will come down.
@@chadoats448 No they don't, I mean I see what you're saying but I get what he means. Yea all the manual stuff exists (sorta) but what you can't buy is a simple truck without the $30k worth of bullshit. Sensors, airbags, bluetooth, gps, touchscreens, etc etc... all the unnecessary crap that adds complexity and cost. Some of it is nice, but none of it is optional.
When I'm out hunting for deer, I use a 55# compound bow, and my buddy uses a 30.06. But, I see you are very old school, and use a baseball bat. To each his own, I reckon.
@@CopCat34 It's time to ban assault bats, with that shoulder thing that goes up. Like every other civilized nation. Did you know you can swing an assault bat 314,159 times without reloading?
The 7.3 power stroke came out in 94 and was discontinued in 2003 and a half. It would be cool to see the 7.3 idi (indirect injection) and the 7.3 powerstoke comparison.
2 Things: 1: 1994.5 Started the Powerstroke, 1999 Started the Super Duty name. 2: It appears the numbers you were looking for on the 89 idi are: 14,000 Max GCWR; Trailer weight up to 9,100 (depending on cab configuration, 2wd/4wd, etc)
The 1988 Ford F350 4x4 had a payload capacity of 4250 lb, and a GVWR of 9000 lbs. The standard tire was a LT235/85R16 E load rated tire. With a maximum front Axle rating of 5000lbs. We had a 1990 Ford F350 4x4 with the 460ci or 7.5L torque monster gas engine, with 4.10 axle ratios. It would pass anything on the hwy towing but a gas station. Those were a standard style mirrors on the F250 and F350 at the time.
Randy Carlisle sure if you don’t mind some repair work water pumps, alternators, belts, piston rings, glow plugs, oil leaks, fuel pumps, and on and on. New trucks are more readable that’s why people are keeping vehicles longer now than ever before.
I have an old 7.3 IDI on my farm. It might not have much power, but man, it always starts and will probably still work after Skynet comes online or an EMP blows up!
A million mile motor is nothing significant then or now. New diesels with all their emissions crap will go a million miles, but at least the new ones make power, are driveable and get out of their own way. This engine was horribly slow. I would never wish the task of driving this engine to a million miles on my greatest foe.
It's a perfect farm truck. You can start the thing with some started fluid and a kick of the tire, but no one in their right mind would take this engine to a millions on public highways. Any person saying it wasn't miserably underpower for even moderate hauling is just lying.
Because it's important to add extra expense and complication for no functional reason. Doesn't everybody know this? TBF, having keyless entry/push button starting is convenient if you can just leave the keys in your pocket, but it's hardly a 'must have' feature.
@@donhappel9928 It is a lot harder to steal, there's no lock cylinder to punch out and wire in a quick resistor to steal a car in a short period of time. Its for security. It has a very functional reason. Things evolve.
I drive an f250. It's a single cab long bed used for construction work. In "the old days" one would leave the key in ignition and unplug the door chime. As a work truck is onsite with doors open constantly. A modern truck door chime is horrible thing. Given how things are now I would rather have key fob live in the cab 24/7 and allow me to use push button start. The key fob for my situation would never leave the cab
Power stroke was introduced in 94, 99 is when they went to the more round body style. I’ve got a 89 FSuperduty with the IDI in it has around 86k miles (odometer stopped working at 72k but it’s a shop truck that hardly got driven so mileage is a guesstimation) slower than hell, but runs like new.
@@CraigSmith568 Current one is a crew cab with 6.5' bed, slight lift and K02s. The previous was a dually crew cab 8' bed. Love them both but like the ability to customize the SRW better.
@@davekaylor458 Mine is extended cab and SRW. No need for the dually. Last truck was a 6.5 bed and I like the 8 footer better. Makes for a long truck, but you get used to it. Would rather have the standard cab, but buying used I didn't have much of a choice.
@@CraigSmith568I sometimes wish I had the 8' bed as my dually had, but it only had 80K miles all dealer serviced in 2011, and I couldn't pass it up. I had 15 wooded acres when I bought it but now live in town, so it is now a toy more than anything.
gosh that cab view on the old diesel brings back sooo many memories..I ran a IAD Ford 7.3 SUPERDUTY F-450 Tow Truck for years... with the exception of slow acceleration that truck was spot on. it just ran and ran and ran...few FORD induced glitches including the plastic SLAVE and CLUTCH MASTER Cylinders. but it ALWAYS started, even on the coldest days..back when the trucks were easier to wrench on as well.
A couple videos ago I commented on how I like my 460 big block and some people with agreed & some people said it was a turd. Compared to Modern engine my big block Ford is weaker than most small blocks that come in 1/2 tons but if go back to 1989 which is the same year my truck is versus the 1989 diesel you can see that 460 kind of was the better option back then. Although I actually am a big fan of both the 6.9 and the 7.3 IDI. Also as much as I'd like gas engines, no stock gas engine will out pull a modern diesel. That being said awesome video, the only thing that would have made it cooler as if it was the old big block gas versus the new Big Block gas.
@@phtevenmolz5030 fuel economy for sure the best my truck got in its dock configuration was 7.3 MPG average unloaded. I've played with it a little bit so it breathes better now and it gets 9.5half my buddy had a 7-3 IDI 5-speed crew cab long bed same configuration as my truck he got about 17 MPG but he is limited to 65 miles an hour it had a pretty aggressive gear set in it
@@josephwhiskeybeale compared to a modern equivalent, I can see someone calling it a turd. There's turbo 6 cylinders putting out better numbers than the EFI 460s like he would have in an '89. The 3.5 ecoboost puts out 365hp/420ft lbs and will net you over 20mpg. The '89 460ci put out 245hp/400ft lbs and would get you 10mpg on a good day.
@@josephwhiskeybeale I love my old school big block Ford but to be perfectly honest my 2018 Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi and an 8-speed automatic could out pull and out MPG that truck every single day of the week the only difference is the suspension can't handle the weight. Also in its stock form it was pretty gutless. I've done a little bit of work to increase air flow through the stock air filter system open up the exhaust a lot and I put aggressive timing curve on it and that completely changed the way it felt while driving and actually got it to get better MPG
My 1987 F250 is a 6.9 idi 4WD...virtually the same engine, only NOT prone to cavitation. She only has 236,000+ miles on her...fires up in the dead of winter with 8 seconds of glow plugs and runs cool in the heat of summer. She’s ALL steel...and standard cab long bed with no BS accessories...topped off wet, she comes in at just under 6,000lbs. Clean as a whistle inside and out. In excellent overall condition. I Love my truck!
Owned a 7.3 IDI and it was a very solid engine. The only real problems were the crappy glowplugs and the 4 speed automatic. Also owned a 7.3 Super Duty the only problems with it were the fly by wire accelerator pedal
I love those little fold out vent windows. I learned how to drive with cars like that, 3 speed column shift, floor dimmer switch. I wish Ford still made those windows. Andre, that a crew cab?
The glow plugs are a dummy proof light. They stay on a lot longer when the light goes out. I recommend letting the glow plugs stay on for at least 1 minute for cold mornings.
Dad had an '88 F250 2WD 351 V8 gasser, 5spd manual with HD rear axle and springs. Spent it's early life as a masonry block hauler. Then it ended up on our farm to tow and haul just about everything under the sun. Then it was sold to some guy in a big city who proceeded to hot rod beat the crap out of it. Clutch finally gave out after Mr drag racer dumped 2nd gear smokeys too many times. Only problem we ever had was the ignition coil pack went out once. That was it. Not one single problem otherwise. Tough as nails. Bed beat to death. A little bit or rust around the rear fenders. Nothing else gave issues. Winter, summer, rain, interstate, field, pulling 300 bales on train-hitched racks, field fertilizer wagons, grain carts, scrap iron, machinery, cattle. Never had any issues besides the coil pack.
Rotella has a tendency to foam up in the 7.3 and 6.0 Powerstrokes, which causes misfires. We fixed a lot of Powerstrokes back in the day by changing the oil to Delo or Motorcraft.
Nathan is a riot and is such a balancing force to the other personas. I'm not sure how he and the crew don't lose their composure and break out in hilarious laughter at some of the things he says. The TFL team a s whole all compliment one another.
My dad got a '95 Powerstroke that he still has. He took decent care of it, but that joker will pull anything. He still uses it as a farm truck and he's never hooked it to anything that it won't pull. He's had other trucks since then, but they've all been traded in for something else. The old '95 is still there and kicking. That IH engine was gold and it's still a great engine.
@@georgeadams5390 don't have to be a smart ass. For one i live on the west coast and they are rare as hell here and if you do find one they go for 3k+ out here. And 2 i simply cant afford one. I have a very sick wife and the medical bills have already forced us to live in a van and sell 2 trucks and my house. So next time you want to be a smart ass stop and think, i wonder what there story is? You never know. You can get smart but just remember it could happen to you. It can happen to anyone at anytime.
Do an exhaust cam! It helps really show the true sound of the exhaust when it’s right next to it. Place the camera behind the bumper so you don’t get any wind and make sure it’s not under the bumper where it also gets wind. A startup, idle, and acceleration video with the exhaust camera would be great. So you can hear the gears shift, the mean noise and idle of that v8 monster
I got a lil’ excited when I saw it had a real key. Then he started talking about Apps and the stupid touch screen in the dash........ I work for a living, I don’t push buttons and watch my cats at home on Camera or want to hear about my friends’ garbage on Facebook. I also don’t need a backup camera because I learned how to drive for real but I guess those people need a big bright screen in their dashboard..... Times are sad.....
@@codyparker679 I would certainly hope it would. Non turbo IDI's are gutless enough, let alone at any sort of altitude. I just want to see how bad it would be.
@TFLT- Your GCWR is 14,000 lbs. Subtract the truck's weight from 14k and that'll give you your max tow rating. Should be right around 10k, maybe a little less. Hope this helps.
During development in 1991-1994, we loaded a truck to 18,000 lbs GCVW on a development trip in the mountains. We would pass passenger cars up hills, much to their confusion and frustration. Good times. Have no experience with the new 7.3.
I love my 99 7.3 and you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. If like a little better than the 14mpg I get from it but ehh. I like trucks from the good old days. And it has a tape deck so I can still play my Lion King and Ninja turtles tapes from when I was a kid
@@JAMESWUERTELE only 126k? Mine had 226k ten years ago then my mom parked it. I go steal it from time to time and I've put another 50k on it since then. But she never drives it, just sits there taking up space on her driveway.
Some wrongs - the powerstroke did not come out in 99, the Superduty came out in 99. The 7.3 powerstroke came out in 94.5. in 1993.5 and early 94 they added a factory turbo to these 7.3 idi trucks as an option.
The old one will run forever, the new one will die from electronics failure that will cost and arm to be fixed each time. Love the new and old comparisons and those side vent windows
Guess what what I heard? F350 dually 7.3 Gas engine can tow slightly over 20k on 5th wheel/ Gooseneck trailers and conventional trailer too. Similar to 1999 to 2003 7.3 Powerstroke dually chassis cab in towing capacity! Pretty impressive for big block 7.3 gasoline OHV! Now really do need to test them on mpg in towing
had a 88 f250 same set up as the 89 i miss her so. truck had sat by the ocean before so was super rusty but was awesome to drive. hope you guys put a factory grill back in that truck hate those bar grills.
That old 7.3 Diesel is proven tough, but I like that Ford decided to go with a pushrod for the new 7.3 gas, besides it’s application doesn’t require it to rev very high to make good torque. I think once they get all the early production “bugs” worked out it will be a very reliable engine, and I’m sure there will be some normal initial issues since it’s new, but it’s a familiar design. Another part of me wonders how long this engine will actually be around..? Ford has a history of killing off some really solid reliable engines and replacing them with unfamiliar designs with lots of initial 1st gen defects.
Love my 95 7.3L. 4x4, XLT, long bed, extended cab, dana 60 front, 10.25 rear. Downside: high maintenance costs for a truck this old. Keeping up with it is getting harder and harder.
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This is a 1988 Ford Truck brochure, it has everything except towing numbers. www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/ford/88ftruck/88ftruck.html
Please don’t make an off roader for Moab, make it in to a super cool work truck like it was meant to be.
@The fast lane truck
Hi my name is Blake I have a 2003 7.3L powerstroke lariat I recently watched your video and thought it may be neat to compare a 7.3L idi to a 7.3L turbo vs a new 7.3L gas I would be willing to provide my truck being as I live in fort collins colorado and am close to your headquarters. Let me know what you think.
Thanks
@@blakeberlin5688 2 completely different engines why would you think there's anything to compare? one is gas one is diesel, nothing to compare.
Hopefully you guys keep it more of a work truck than anything. Also you should try to find a turbo for it as Ford themselves put a turbo on it for its last year before the Powerstroke came out (and actually had a very restrictive downpipe on it to keep it from making more power than the upcoming 7.3 Powerstroke, and even underrated the power output of it as it had about 30 more HP and 65 more foot pounds of torque than Ford said lol
Ford really wanted the attention to be on the upcoming Powerstroke but in some ways the turbo IDI was a better engine lol)
We had one brand new back in 1993 and it was such an incredible engine.
Ford sourced the turbo from ATS but did do a few other modifications to the base 7.3 IDI such as better valves and pistons. The factory turbo IDI 7.3 was the pinnacle of the 6.9/7.3 IDI engines, and would out pull even the 5.9 Dodge Cummins at the time (the 6.5 GM turbo diesel didn’t come close to the 7.3 or the 5.9). Hell the turbo IDI would even challenge the 460 and 454 on the highway at sea level, and would easily walk away from them in high elevations.
And the down low torque of the turbo IDI the gas engines couldn’t touch LOL
So at low speeds the big block gas engines didn’t hold a candle to the turbo diesel
Simply put, the factory turbo 7.3 IDI was the best engine in any pickup in 1993, and it’s a shame that many people don’t even know it existed. Such an underrated engine
1989- truck designed, marketed and priced for someone who needs a truck.
2020- 60grand, starts with a cellphone and can't fit plywood in the bed
They have a shortbed. The 89 has a long bed. Also starts with more power😂. Just being fair
The F350 starts at 36k, the 6.7 powerstroke F350s start at 47k
Art Noll well said
@@jacksonreich5148 exactly then they make the fancy F250 platinum at 80k so it has 40k in creatureconforts! Not worth it...
@@lospolloshermanos2692 No one's forcing you to buy it🤦🏻♂️. That's why we have this beautiful thing called "options". Been around since the Model T.
I put about 400K miles on my 1991 Ford F350 7.3L international. Loved that vehicle. In the end, I couldn't replace the sheet metal any more. The engine was still going strong.
should of taken out the engine and good parts left and scrapped the rest
I like old trucks better because less stuff to go wrong.
Natha Mettenburg i agree what happened the time when trucks were designed to just get shit done now they have all these stupid features like app starting and heated seats
OLD TRUCKS RULE!!
Yes, for me 90’s or early 2000’s, for little electric stuff like windows and shit but less sensors an all that stuff that go wrong so easy
With the older trucks you won't cry as much when you need work done on it. Why do people need back up cameras when you have side mirrors. I've had my car backed into by people trying to back up using a camera.
But you buy a truck for its towing and newer trucks tow much better than older trucks. And can tow much more now than in the 90s.
Wesley Markham unless you plan on towing a whole forest of logs every day an old 90s truck will do you just fine. These things were made to last, not to suck up money.
Most importantly the ‘89 had a gun rack!
nmelkhunter1 Bad Ass
Best comment I've seen.
I’d rather be driving the ‘89 with a horribly uncomfortable seat from the $50,000 in my back pocket.
Not me. World is about to go. I will be in debt with a comfortable seat. Lol
I wonder what job u got probably ain’t even paying u good😂😂
Man I've done hard work before back problems aren't any joke.
Ricardo Cortez theres a lot of easy way to get hella money with out even trying I make 10k a weekend as my side job main job I make 3k a week without over time
@@dennistv598 oh I know, I left construction and I am in the software engineering field now!
the old one will still be running in another 30 years.
My 1985 F250 is still running great!
Better than the new
always will be, new trucks are breaking a lot easier
Lmfao ur totally right
Look up ‘zip ties and bias plies’ I doubt the new trucks can survive what he does to ol Slave Lake
Because its oldschool it has glow plugs? Tf? It has glow plugs because its a diesel.
Nick Leonard I was looking for this comment 😂
@@JimBob-eg7vq Thats hilarious, i was looking for it too. I didn't find it though so i made it lol
Cummins 6.7s dont have glow plugs.
@@vendediesel True. I just meant it has glow plugs because its a diesel, not cause its old.
@@vendediesel The Cummins DOES have glow plugs . my Ram 2500 Cummins has them(all depends on the year). I LOVE MY RAM CUMMINS! After seeing this new 7.3l ford i see a lot more people leaving Ford and going to Ram. Its just not as impressive as it should be. That's ridiculous, a super duty truck with a plastic steering wheel smh and a door "cup holder" that's not big enough to hold a real cup. "18 storage compartments " but olny 10 are truly usable. . Damn shame.. the old truck GVW is 9000 new truck is 10000.. really all this technology and just 1000 lbs more? Shameful even Rams Tradesman has a leather wheel.
You should call the new truck ALMOST. Because it almost was a good idea.
I prefer the IDI. If there's anything slave lake had taught us it's that you only need one belt and it can run upside down
Cole Corbett 😂
And will run on radioactive horse piss
Just make sure you have a good amount of Cosby in a can laying around. Miiiiiiint 👌🏼
I’ll take the 1989 over anything new, there’s a reason it’s still running 30 years later.
Exactly right. My 1985 F250 is still going strong.
Alq
Yes that is true, but you know that 1989 truck was new at one point as well and someone probably said the same thing about it.
@@WombatCombat720 "Damn newfangled 1989s. I'll never get rid of my 1963!"
*spits tobacco*
@@ejcheli Right on...I've got a 1980 250 with the 351 (yeah everybody calls it '5.8liter' now but it's a 351 to me) standard 4x4. It's was abused something terrible before I bought it for a stay-at-home wood truck...I've heard the sub-frame on that series truck referred to as the 'Swiss cheese' and for good reason - it's pretty dang pitiful, but the engine and drivetrain is about as perfect as a truck can be. Beefed up the subframe with some scrap super strut and you can about yank a house off the foundation with the old truck. Heck I stumbled up on a '03 F150 with over 200K miles on in for $1500 and bought it just because...it's got the 4.2 V6, supposedly Ford's worse engine ever, and it's got nearly 300K on it now and still starts, runs, and drives good as ever. Had to put three or four coil packs on it - that and regular maintenance is all it's needed.
I'm glad they've got these $50K-$100K fancy 'trucks' for them who like such stuff, but I buy a truck to work with and haul stuff with, and I want something I can fix when something goes wrong
The original powerstroke came out in mid 1994 not 1999. Tow something up the gauntlet with the ole idi before you go and auction it off!
Technically 94.5 is when they turboed the idi. Early 95 is a powerstroke.
@@allgutsnoglorywtg Actually 1994.5 is the PSD, Ford started putting a factory turbo sourced from ATS on the IDI in 93. In 1994 there are 3 different VIN letters all for the 3 different 7.3s available
@allgutsnoglorywtg yeah bud I got a 94 f250 powerstroke (not 7.3 idi turbo) that's says your wrong
99 was not the first year for the Powerstroke, it was the year it got an intercooler and a significant bump in power.
International, no less.
Hmmm... I thought the "theft deterrent device" was that baseball bat on the gun rack? See 5.40
I have a 1996 Ford F-250 with the 7.5 L gas engine in mint condition. If you ever want to do a comparative video I think that would be cool. I live in Colorado Springs
That would be great to see.
Why you chose gigantic displacement gas engine over a diesel ? Just asking
@@Lucky_2109 It's just simple, no huge maintenance bills either.
@@Lucky_2109 and usually cheaper to buy used, diesels have a cult following that has jacked up the price of any diesel truck higher than the gas versions.
Hah, cool to see someone else with the 7.5 out there. We're still using our 1991 F-250 with the 7.5 that was passed on to us.
Really you should compare the Tremor with a 460 since that’s more of a fair comparison. The 460 is a 7.5 but it would be fun to see
I agree. I was given an 89 F350 with a 460, 5 speed, but I gave it to my dad. I am sure if the engine was rebuilt, it would be a beast. It makes me laugh seeing people get excited about a "new" 7.3l gas engine when larger v8 and v10 engines were popular, and trucks were still trucks.
Comparing to the 7.3L diesel makes no sense at all, just because the displacement is similar? Your right it should be the new 7.3L gas vs old 7.5L gas engine.
@@DanielStalnakerII i agree
Exactly what I was thinking. My 85 has the 460 in it and its awesome!
@@ejcheli 😁👍
I’d really love to see a comparison between the new 7.3 big block and the old 460 big block.
That would be interesting. A book printed by Bosch said that improved combustion science has lead to an increase in compression ratios (CR) by about a half point every decade. The 460 had several CRs, but for 'normal' use, it was offered with 8.0 and 8.5 CR. The new 7.3 has a 10.5 CR. This dramatically improves both power and efficiency en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_385_engine
@Nytmstr Yea but they were "detuned" by the factory in a time where emission and gas prices were a factor. If you look up how much power a 460 can make unrestricted its way way better. Then if you throw some new aluminum headers, intakes, and a cam on it, it beats the power numbers of the 7.3 godzilla thing for a fraction of the cost.
Chris you can’t tell a difference
Just gonna say that putting the tremor in the “limelight” is gonna make the 7.3 IDI the ideal truck for the “working man.” This comment gave me a Rush.
i wish they would make trucks for men. bring back the 5 window cab. high and low on the floor. manual lockers, manual everything and make them at a price a normal guy can afford. if you cut out all the soy-boy city slicker crap the price will come down.
coady 4570
You can get just what you describe. Go talk to your dealership. Still offered.
@@chadoats448 No they don't, I mean I see what you're saying but I get what he means. Yea all the manual stuff exists (sorta) but what you can't buy is a simple truck without the $30k worth of bullshit. Sensors, airbags, bluetooth, gps, touchscreens, etc etc... all the unnecessary crap that adds complexity and cost. Some of it is nice, but none of it is optional.
ejcheli
Again, yes you can. Actually just did in December.
@@chadoats448 What did you buy and how much?
"Definition - Afford: have enough money to pay for."
ejcheli F450 DRW 11’ CM TM flatbed 4x4 shifter in floor. My money isn’t your business. They do build them.
When I'm out hunting for deer, I use a 55# compound bow, and my buddy uses a 30.06. But, I see you are very old school, and use a baseball bat. To each his own, I reckon.
😂😂😂
northerniltree A baseball bat won’t jam or malfunction.
I’m trying to get guys I work with to hunt with throwing stars. Maybe I should suggest a bat instead?
@@CopCat34
It's time to ban assault bats, with that shoulder thing that goes up. Like every other civilized nation.
Did you know you can swing an assault bat 314,159 times without reloading?
Tree in Albuquerque unless it breaks in half.
That's the last thing I need somebody stealing my phone and start my vehicle 😂
The 7.3 power stroke came out in 94 and was discontinued in 2003 and a half. It would be cool to see the 7.3 idi (indirect injection) and the 7.3 powerstoke comparison.
Its done all the time on OBS Fords.
2 Things:
1: 1994.5 Started the Powerstroke, 1999 Started the Super Duty name.
2: It appears the numbers you were looking for on the 89 idi are: 14,000 Max GCWR; Trailer weight up to 9,100 (depending on cab configuration, 2wd/4wd, etc)
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this but they are true factory Ford Mirrors on the 1989.
The 1988 Ford F350 4x4 had a payload capacity of 4250 lb, and a GVWR of 9000 lbs. The standard tire was a LT235/85R16 E load rated tire. With a maximum front Axle rating of 5000lbs. We had a 1990 Ford F350 4x4 with the 460ci or 7.5L torque monster gas engine, with 4.10 axle ratios. It would pass anything on the hwy towing but a gas station. Those were a standard style mirrors on the F250 and F350 at the time.
www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/ford/88ftruck/88ftruck.html
My 1991 F150 is basically the same. Love the simplicity. My f150 was a work truck up til 3 months ago
1988 f350 still run after 30 years of wear and tear...there's just something satisfying to start an old school vehicles that won't die
Awesome video.
I can at least afford the 90s truck. Oh wait, I have a perfectly good 96 sitting in the driveway with a 460 in it. Still works fine.
I'd rather drive a restored 7.3 IDI
I drive one everyday
Exactly restore too new condition
Love seeing these older trucks brought back to life. They were solid vehicles in their day, can't wait for the videos. Thanks guys!!!
that old diesel sounds SO good!
That old 7.3 International Navistar motor didn’t make crap for power at all but it was a million mile motor.
I owned a 6.9 liter version and it was quite gutless.
Randy Carlisle sure if you don’t mind some repair work water pumps, alternators, belts, piston rings, glow plugs, oil leaks, fuel pumps, and on and on. New trucks are more readable that’s why people are keeping vehicles longer now than ever before.
I have an old 7.3 IDI on my farm. It might not have much power, but man, it always starts and will probably still work after Skynet comes online or an EMP blows up!
A million mile motor is nothing significant then or now. New diesels with all their emissions crap will go a million miles, but at least the new ones make power, are driveable and get out of their own way. This engine was horribly slow. I would never wish the task of driving this engine to a million miles on my greatest foe.
It's a perfect farm truck. You can start the thing with some started fluid and a kick of the tire, but no one in their right mind would take this engine to a millions on public highways. Any person saying it wasn't miserably underpower for even moderate hauling is just lying.
I still don’t understand why anyone would ever want a push button start on any car
You have never had keyless entry then
Because it's important to add extra expense and complication for no functional reason. Doesn't everybody know this? TBF, having keyless entry/push button starting is convenient if you can just leave the keys in your pocket, but it's hardly a 'must have' feature.
@@donhappel9928 rock dweller
@@donhappel9928 It is a lot harder to steal, there's no lock cylinder to punch out and wire in a quick resistor to steal a car in a short period of time. Its for security. It has a very functional reason. Things evolve.
I drive an f250. It's a single cab long bed used for construction work. In "the old days" one would leave the key in ignition and unplug the door chime. As a work truck is onsite with doors open constantly. A modern truck door chime is horrible thing. Given how things are now I would rather have key fob live in the cab 24/7 and allow me to use push button start. The key fob for my situation would never leave the cab
Nice RUSH shirt. Made me smile given the worlds recent loss of the worlds GOAT drummer.
Looks like the truck from 'The Ranch'
Power stroke was introduced in 94, 99 is when they went to the more round body style. I’ve got a 89 FSuperduty with the IDI in it has around 86k miles (odometer stopped working at 72k but it’s a shop truck that hardly got driven so mileage is a guesstimation) slower than hell, but runs like new.
My 7.3 is a 2001, 140,000 miles, 2nd 7.3 I've had, first w stolen at 360,000 miles.
I have a 2000 with 303,000 miles. Longbed and manual transmission too. I love it.
@@CraigSmith568 Current one is a crew cab with 6.5' bed, slight lift and K02s. The previous was a dually crew cab 8' bed. Love them both but like the ability to customize the SRW better.
@@davekaylor458 Mine is extended cab and SRW. No need for the dually. Last truck was a 6.5 bed and I like the 8 footer better. Makes for a long truck, but you get used to it. Would rather have the standard cab, but buying used I didn't have much of a choice.
@@CraigSmith568I sometimes wish I had the 8' bed as my dually had, but it only had 80K miles all dealer serviced in 2011, and I couldn't pass it up. I had 15 wooded acres when I bought it but now live in town, so it is now a toy more than anything.
16:13 I think it was '94-'95 not '99. I remember one of my neighbors had a powerstroke diesel several years before '99.
Chad Greene it was 94.5 that's what I have 4x4 standard cab XLT with powerstroke
gosh that cab view on the old diesel brings back sooo many memories..I ran a IAD Ford 7.3 SUPERDUTY F-450 Tow Truck for years...
with the exception of slow acceleration that truck was spot on. it just ran and ran and ran...few FORD induced glitches including the plastic SLAVE and CLUTCH MASTER Cylinders. but it ALWAYS started, even on the coldest days..back when the trucks were easier to wrench on as well.
A couple videos ago I commented on how I like my 460 big block and some people with agreed & some people said it was a turd. Compared to Modern engine my big block Ford is weaker than most small blocks that come in 1/2 tons but if go back to 1989 which is the same year my truck is versus the 1989 diesel you can see that 460 kind of was the better option back then. Although I actually am a big fan of both the 6.9 and the 7.3 IDI.
Also as much as I'd like gas engines, no stock gas engine will out pull a modern diesel.
That being said awesome video, the only thing that would have made it cooler as if it was the old big block gas versus the new Big Block gas.
The advantage to the diesel was a flatter torque curve and fuel economy.
@@phtevenmolz5030 fuel economy for sure the best my truck got in its dock configuration was 7.3 MPG average unloaded. I've played with it a little bit so it breathes better now and it gets 9.5half my buddy had a 7-3 IDI 5-speed crew cab long bed same configuration as my truck he got about 17 MPG but he is limited to 65 miles an hour it had a pretty aggressive gear set in it
LOL what liar said the 460 was a turd? No one could say that with a straight face, expensive to overhaul yeah but it was a great engine.
@@josephwhiskeybeale compared to a modern equivalent, I can see someone calling it a turd. There's turbo 6 cylinders putting out better numbers than the EFI 460s like he would have in an '89. The 3.5 ecoboost puts out 365hp/420ft lbs and will net you over 20mpg. The '89 460ci put out 245hp/400ft lbs and would get you 10mpg on a good day.
@@josephwhiskeybeale I love my old school big block Ford but to be perfectly honest my 2018 Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi and an 8-speed automatic could out pull and out MPG that truck every single day of the week the only difference is the suspension can't handle the weight.
Also in its stock form it was pretty gutless. I've done a little bit of work to increase air flow through the stock air filter system open up the exhaust a lot and I put aggressive timing curve on it and that completely changed the way it felt while driving and actually got it to get better MPG
My 1987 F250 is a 6.9 idi 4WD...virtually the same engine, only NOT prone to cavitation. She only has 236,000+ miles on her...fires up in the dead of winter with 8 seconds of glow plugs and runs cool in the heat of summer. She’s ALL steel...and standard cab long bed with no BS accessories...topped off wet, she comes in at just under 6,000lbs. Clean as a whistle inside and out. In excellent overall condition. I Love my truck!
Owned a 7.3 IDI and it was a very solid engine. The only real problems were the crappy glowplugs and the 4 speed automatic. Also owned a 7.3 Super Duty the only problems with it were the fly by wire accelerator pedal
I love those little fold out vent windows. I learned how to drive with cars like that, 3 speed column shift, floor dimmer switch. I wish Ford still made those windows. Andre, that a crew cab?
They are called a nose draft window.
The first year for the Powerstroke was 94.5. In 94 you could get a N/A 7.3 IDI, Turbo 7.3 IDI, and the first year 7.3 Powerstroke.
That old ford is more likely than the new one to be driveable in another 30 years.
The glow plugs are a dummy proof light. They stay on a lot longer when the light goes out. I recommend letting the glow plugs stay on for at least 1 minute for cold mornings.
Dad had an '88 F250 2WD 351 V8 gasser, 5spd manual with HD rear axle and springs. Spent it's early life as a masonry block hauler. Then it ended up on our farm to tow and haul just about everything under the sun. Then it was sold to some guy in a big city who proceeded to hot rod beat the crap out of it. Clutch finally gave out after Mr drag racer dumped 2nd gear smokeys too many times. Only problem we ever had was the ignition coil pack went out once. That was it. Not one single problem otherwise. Tough as nails. Bed beat to death. A little bit or rust around the rear fenders. Nothing else gave issues. Winter, summer, rain, interstate, field, pulling 300 bales on train-hitched racks, field fertilizer wagons, grain carts, scrap iron, machinery, cattle. Never had any issues besides the coil pack.
The old one hands down.
No bullshit emissions, easy to work on and will probably still be on the road when the new one is sitting in a scrap yard.
Rotella has a tendency to foam up in the 7.3 and 6.0 Powerstrokes, which causes misfires. We fixed a lot of Powerstrokes back in the day by changing the oil to Delo or Motorcraft.
Proceeds to an orphanage? Classy. One of the most heartbreaking things Ive ever seen was going to an orphanage. Kids with no parents is so sad.
Nathan is a riot and is such a balancing force to the other personas. I'm not sure how he and the crew don't lose their composure and break out in hilarious laughter at some of the things he says. The TFL team a s whole all compliment one another.
Love the RUSH T shirt. RIP Neil Peart. Oh, and great vid. Cant wait to see how the '89 turns out.
My dad got a '95 Powerstroke that he still has. He took decent care of it, but that joker will pull anything. He still uses it as a farm truck and he's never hooked it to anything that it won't pull. He's had other trucks since then, but they've all been traded in for something else. The old '95 is still there and kicking. That IH engine was gold and it's still a great engine.
I would give anything to have that old idi. I love those old trucks. My 7.3idi was stolen and wreaked. I probably won't ever see one again.
Get you one, they are plentiful & cheap
@@georgeadams5390 don't have to be a smart ass. For one i live on the west coast and they are rare as hell here and if you do find one they go for 3k+ out here. And 2 i simply cant afford one. I have a very sick wife and the medical bills have already forced us to live in a van and sell 2 trucks and my house. So next time you want to be a smart ass stop and think, i wonder what there story is? You never know. You can get smart but just remember it could happen to you. It can happen to anyone at anytime.
I hope you give us some towing and MPG 7.3 comparisons with the regular V8 and diesel F-250s before you modify it too much.
The Godzilla and 7.3 idi are definitely gonna be similar in mpg stock for stock even towing their Max ratings, the idi is no powerstroke
You don't want to know the MPGs. Its a truck. It has no fuel economy - or at least no economy in its fuel consumption.
That old IDI can't tow much, They were pretty gutless. A F-150 ecoboost can pull more.
Do an exhaust cam! It helps really show the true sound of the exhaust when it’s right next to it. Place the camera behind the bumper so you don’t get any wind and make sure it’s not under the bumper where it also gets wind. A startup, idle, and acceleration video with the exhaust camera would be great. So you can hear the gears shift, the mean noise and idle of that v8 monster
I got a lil’ excited when I saw it had a real key.
Then he started talking about Apps and the stupid touch screen in the dash........
I work for a living, I don’t push buttons and watch my cats at home on Camera or want to hear about my friends’ garbage on Facebook. I also don’t need a backup camera because I learned how to drive for real but I guess those people need a big bright screen in their dashboard.....
Times are sad.....
you nailed it. and they wonder why they cost 70k now
Didn't know the 7.3 gas was a Windsor engine. Now I need it more than ever
5.0L Coyote is a Windsor engine, also all the 5.4L engines were made in Windsor
Y'all should compare the 7.3 to the 7.5 460
That would be much more fair!
I still see a lot of those 8th generation Ford F-series light duty trucks out on the roads today. Running strong lasting long.
We want to see the idi run up the gauntlet!
Since I had the same truck. I'm fairly confident the new truck with a trailer will outrun the idi unloaded.
@@codyparker679 I would certainly hope it would. Non turbo IDI's are gutless enough, let alone at any sort of altitude. I just want to see how bad it would be.
@@2020jd if I had to guess, it'd make it, but it'd be the slowest run on record lol
@@2020jd i got a s1700 25' bus with a 6.9 idi, fuel up all the way and it takes years to get to 30 mph with an AT454 auto.
Ya run it up the hill and blow it up before the auction lol
16:10, the power stroke actually was first predicted in 1994.5 and continued on until early 2003
Love the old simple trucks without the tech.
The PowerStroke came out in '94 and a half!!! Get your facts strait!
I Know right! Do your homework TFL!
Thanks for wearing the Rush shirt!
@TFLT- Your GCWR is 14,000 lbs. Subtract the truck's weight from 14k and that'll give you your max tow rating. Should be right around 10k, maybe a little less. Hope this helps.
The "F-Super duty" was 450 & 550
During development in 1991-1994, we loaded a truck to 18,000 lbs GCVW on a development trip in the mountains. We would pass passenger cars up hills, much to their confusion and frustration. Good times. Have no experience with the new 7.3.
That ol 7.3 idi is beautiful
I love my 99 7.3 and you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. If like a little better than the 14mpg I get from it but ehh. I like trucks from the good old days. And it has a tape deck so I can still play my Lion King and Ninja turtles tapes from when I was a kid
Js it's not the same motor as in the video but i love all of em
I’m the same with my 97 F-350 reg cab, 4x4 OR camper, manual, 7.3. I have 126,000 and just rebuilt the rear end. I have OX lockers front and rear now.
@@JAMESWUERTELE only 126k? Mine had 226k ten years ago then my mom parked it. I go steal it from time to time and I've put another 50k on it since then. But she never drives it, just sits there taking up space on her driveway.
Some wrongs - the powerstroke did not come out in 99, the Superduty came out in 99. The 7.3 powerstroke came out in 94.5. in 1993.5 and early 94 they added a factory turbo to these 7.3 idi trucks as an option.
I'd rather the OEM grill on that 89! Good video!
Agreed the stock grill is way better. I find those plain aftermarket grills ugly
The OEM grille probably fell off 12 years ago.
Agreed, those type of grilles are so 90’s
Luc trucks
The old one will run forever, the new one will die from electronics failure that will cost and arm to be fixed each time.
Love the new and old comparisons and those side vent windows
Need to compare the new 7.3 to the 460
Now you talking! But keep in mind that the new truck has more hp as well as tq! So it would have to be a built 460 to complete!!!
Exactly! I’m pretty disappointed that they did the diesel and not the 460 gas, but I get it - it was free! Haha
Yeah!! I love the 460. I can’t wait for companies to start pumping out adapters so we can hook that 7.3 out to a ZF or C6
I have an 89 F250 7.3, bought it for 800 bucks, still runs, gonna get trans rebuilt tho, still, hell of a buy!!
Guess what what I heard? F350 dually 7.3 Gas engine can tow slightly over 20k on 5th wheel/ Gooseneck trailers and conventional trailer too. Similar to 1999 to 2003 7.3 Powerstroke dually chassis cab in towing capacity! Pretty impressive for big block 7.3 gasoline OHV! Now really do need to test them on mpg in towing
I miss my 92 F-150😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I had a 1989 f 150 with a 302 4 seed on the floor had a lot of fun in that old truck
@@jeffkreuziger1984 mine was also a 302 but automatic and I'm looking to buy one right now
The 89 is really cool. 80-96/97 F series are excellent machines.
Back when Diesel's actually sounded like diesels
had a 88 f250 same set up as the 89 i miss her so. truck had sat by the ocean before so was super rusty but was awesome to drive. hope you guys put a factory grill back in that truck hate those bar grills.
Quit talking and put a chain between them. Get to pulling gentlemen.
New one would win
The new one would decimate the old one.
Very cool project truck for the 7.3 diesel. Thanks for sharing Andre and Nathan.
This will be a great project to follow!
Modern Super Dutys have the best mirrors in the truck game, past and present
Lol practically all the guys I know can run a manual transmission just fine 😁 but then again they're not the type to steal vehicles 😀
I’m 18 and I’m on my 3rd vehicle with a manual transmission. I love them.
Millennial here.
My 99 Ranger 3.0 also has a 5 speed. No manual transfer case though. Upgraded to manual hubs though.
That old 7.3 Diesel is proven tough, but I like that Ford decided to go with a pushrod for the new 7.3 gas, besides it’s application doesn’t require it to rev very high to make good torque. I think once they get all the early production “bugs” worked out it will be a very reliable engine, and I’m sure there will be some normal initial issues since it’s new, but it’s a familiar design. Another part of me wonders how long this engine will actually be around..? Ford has a history of killing off some really solid reliable engines and replacing them with unfamiliar designs with lots of initial 1st gen defects.
Millennial killer yet most of the people my age that I know can drive one
Lol good joke
Millennials killer most millennials are middle age and going back older trucks with a manual transmission
@@rickydavis5541 since when are late 20's early 30's middle age?
Robbers are smarter than people think.
that 7.3 gasser is a beast, 430 horse with 6 bolt splayed mains and all forged crank rods and pistons🤷🏻♂️ just waiting for a supercharger
I have a f150, that thing had the smoothest power steering pump ever known. I can steer that thing with a finger it’s that damn smooth
A naturally aspirated pushrod v8 gas last a pretty long time too
Old 7.3: No DEF emissions to worry about.
New 7.3: Hello? 911? Someone hacked my cell phone and stole my truck.
Love my 95 7.3L. 4x4, XLT, long bed, extended cab, dana 60 front, 10.25 rear. Downside: high maintenance costs for a truck this old. Keeping up with it is getting harder and harder.
Super Duty dates back to the '60s.
I’d love to see a retro fit from old truck refurbished into 2020 technology. As in trying to make the old look like the new inside or outside.
Love my 2001 7.3 power stroke! Would not trade it, even for a new one.
I have a 7.3 idi in a 1977 high boy man that’s a fun toy I average on the low end 15 mpg and can pull anything I need
That is an excellent mpg value!
Actually the style of mirror on the 1989 is one of the factory style mirrors from the day.
Partner with Hennessy Performance, they like to do stuff for charity auctions.
Looking forward to the build
Thank you for wearing the Rush shirt. RIP Neil.