Any corrections or additional info will be added to this comment! - Vedrfolnir, NOT Visefnir. - I forgot to include this in the end, but the Caribert quest description also supports the idea of the twins having relations to Teyvat. • “If the one who weaves fate may be born here, then let the one who witnesses fate see it all.” - I think Vedrfolnir is the “Self-Proclaimed Prophet” in Dainsleif’s character card.
For me they have a connection with Pahnes....that's why Lumine is called royalty and the traveler has power to rival the world. Perhaps both are a new Sansara of his, bipartite, since Phanes was androgynous.That's why Paymon is faithful to the traveler.
The idea of the twins maybe born in teyvat/have connection to teyvat since very begining always there in the back of my mind but there’s no quite evidence to support it. Heck, I even think that one of their parents maybe someone from teyvat, and the other from other world. I remember this game have one lore that similar to this situation, I think it’s the seelie princess or something? I forgot, it’s from long long ago. Maybe celestia or at least the heavenly principles sees the twins are product of arrogation of human kind by mixing the two races? Man, I’d really need the genshin anime hoyo promised us right now to see more 😂
The most strong impression from this quest for me it's definition what Twins already find their new home world, cause they are together. In first twin quest was more cold dynamic, but here in convo abyss twin says : we are in this world together, so we find home. Yes, now we busy with different things, but in the end we will meet together in the field of flowers, what you dreamed to see
Vedrfolnir, “The Visionary” Hyroptatyr, “The Wise” Rhinedottir, “Gold” Surtalogi, “The Foul” Rerir, “Rächer of Solnari” Dainslef, “Bough keeper” It all makes sense
This AQ has made me think about an old theory I had, since the release of 3.4 and it is that if the Irminsul is so powerful to alter reality and people's memories, what does it tell us that humans of Teyvat are really human? What if in the original war in which Enkanomiya ended under the sea, the human race that existed almost entirely disappeared along with the Seeles, and to make up for things, the winner of that conflict not only created new humans with the power that the irminsul had, but also modified the memories of the survivors of the first civilization (the few that remained) to make them believe that they have always been Phanes, but some resisted and these were probably the ones who founded Khaenria. The other thing is what tells us that the Archons War could also have been an invention through the Ley lines, because if we think about it, this mission has shown us that Cariberto was able to make an entire village believe in his existence, even to such an extent that one of its inhabitants was in love with him. And if that was with a simple fragment of the sinner's power, what would Celestia not be capable of on a large scale and with absolute control. Well, it is very curious that if the Gnosis are the remains of the 3rd descended, how come there is not a single record of what happened to him, beyond the information that Skirk told us and what the Fatui found. Well, if the 3rd was so powerful, when he died his body must have expelled a large amount of elemental energy since, similar to the traveler, he may have had control of the seven elements.
That’s a very interesting idea! I find the general idea possible since we’ve been shown that Celestia will burry civilizations to hide their secrets. In the case of the Khaenriahn’s, I can’t help but wonder if they’re the descendants of an outlander or the dragons. After all, Neuvillette was able to hand out a draconic vision even after the divine throne was destroyed. - However, I’m not entirely sure about the idea of humans existing before the Primordial One if not only because the dragons dislike them. But it is possible that the humans we see now are different from what they once were.
@@iamsyncx Exactly, I also come to have the same ideas, that perhaps the Khaenrians were descendants of hybrids between humans and dragons, (since it is mentioned that after the defeat of the 7 sovereigns they sank to the Dark Sea and the depths) or if they were hybrids of humans and Seeles, since Genshin takes inspiration from concepts of Christianity and in the Christian Bible (I don't know if the Gnostics have something similar) it is mentioned that in the era before the Flood, there was a hybrid race of humans and Angels called Nephelins , its existence being one of the reasons why God sent the flood, since that was something forbidden. So it is possible that something similar to that story happened in Teyvat, thanks to the crowns and the Narcizentcroist Quest. We know that there was a flood in Teyvat and Remus said that the existence of Fontaine was a mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if that entire mission was an analogy to what happened in a remote past that was erased or altered from Irminsul.
I believe this theory is already semi-canon since we already know that humans are not native to teyvat. They were created by the PO. So as you stated, it would not be unreasonable to assume that irminsul is a way of controlling all living beings(or even sentient things, like a puppet for example) on teyvat, especially with its nature of being able to 'alter reality'. It really brings to question what will happen to EVERYONE once we finally realize we need to burn irminsul to truly return teyvat to the dragons. (Also, the fact that we MIGHT need to kill the archons in a manner of speaking to return the sovereigns' power to their rightful owners)
The 3rd descender isn’t recorded in irminsul because descenders aren’t recorded by irminsul generally since they aren’t from Teyvat, it’s the same with the traveler, they aren’t recorded in irminsul either because they’re a descender I like this theory tho
@@violetsareadifferentshadeo4026 I know that, but there is something that does not add up, although the 3rd could not be remembered by the Irminsul, his actions were, because everything that happened in each of the nations that we have visited will remain recorded, and everyone will only remember us as the visitor from afar, just as happens with the one who married the ancestor of the Seelies. Besides, if there really were no records left about the 3rd, then how do the Fatui know that there were 3 of them before the traveler, if they are supposed to be inhabitants of Teyvat, or how does the Avatar of the Irminsul (Nahida) Do you know that the first one was HP? It is not a little incongruous to say that "there are no records about them" but at the same time we have objects like before the sun and the moon where it speaks of a 2nd throne of heaven. That's why I think that the Irminsul information has been so altered that anything that is not a Fairy Tale or a Work of Fiction is the least reliable source in the Game.
I was also wondering... Caribert became the loom of fate a long time ago... And it seems, it can mess with Dain's memory. How can we be sure it didn't do it before? Maybe not everything he contributed to erosion is in fact that... Maybe Lumine made him forget some things deliberately... So far, I have no ideas what, but I was wondering about it during the quest... That Dain's memories cannot be trusted... I also was thinking... if the PO or the one after could modify the records of Irminsul or something... There is mention about history being rewritten - why Enkonomia sank - then... Maybe nothing we know can be trusted... But our sibling likely traveled through time and so could confirm things. (Likely we will save her by traveling back in time because there is a time travel story in one of the books) So... What I am trying to say is that we might end up having big surprises in the future. I am also curious why Paimon couldn't join us in Caribert's mind realm... Based on her comments, she is with us when we fight (even when don't see her) but she didn't come with us there... And why no one asks who is she? Sure, our emergency food, but no one probes further. Especially, how come our sibling doesn't ask anything about her? Since Celestia sleeps, could it be that she fallen off or something and got reincarnated or miniturized and doesn't have and of her memories (yet)? And the vidions are given out from the power of archons but it is forced upon them by the gnoses... But to what end? Why would Celestia want that?
Well....my crazy theory goes back to what I already said about Remuria. Remember Collei's dream and Irminsul being burned?Who knows what the wish of the order and the fatui is to cut a branch from the tree, burn Irminsul and plant a new one? "Incandescent Ode of Resurrection" . Some points to consider: 1- The metaphor of the heavenly tree described how Pahnes needed to sacrifice the tree with greatest power to repair the castle's beams. 2- Remuria talks about Irminsul being the fortune. The loom of destiny is about manipulating the ley lines, but I believe it is a manipulation that is not just "disruptions" but rather total control recreating it. 3- Remember what Nicole said about there are hidden corners that Celestia does not know about, to refer to the Focalors plane. Making Irminsul believe that it is in control of destiny, and people are following "the plans", she did Celestia appears to be "sleeping". The problem is not Celestia's sleep per se, but how much Celestia accesses information through the tree. Celestia only knows what Irminsul provides. 4- In the war with the archons in Kanriah, Rukadevata was sent to protect the tree. This was the way the gods controlled people.The tree itself ordered Celestia to protect her from the abyss. The abyss is the only power that can against the tree. This is why it is said: whoever controls the power of the abyss controls everything! If Remuria's theory is correct, we will have Pahnes and Nibelungo allies, trying prevent fortune from causing the destruction of what Pahnes built. Fortune is the tree. The tree is not as "good" as we think. Phobos represents the control that Irminsul has over people's desires, as she not only grants good ones, but devil desires as well. Why we dont have references to Pahnes and the tree or anyone who was responsible for it, since it Is the life of the planet? Well, no one can dominate the tree. Just be an "avatar" or "vigilante" like Sybilla and Rukadevata were, people responsible for it. 5- We have three forces fighting each other in Teyvat: Irminsul (Celestia corrupted by evil desires), Abyss (and the order of the abyss) and the Traveler (e fatui them, because if it is real about the tree burning and the "Incandescent ode of resurrection", the fatui wish to free themselves from both domains, both the tree and the abyss. The question now is: Where does Childe come into this? Only someone who has access to the abyss and provides valuable information, just like Scaramouche and his connection with Raiden, who therefore has a connection with Irminsul and the tree in Narukami? And we still have Peruere, who would have the most connection with the bright shadows of Pahnes, if these are the moon goddesses, in addition to having important members coming from Kaenriah.Tsaritsa gathered all possible information from all sides to come up with an audacious plan to replace the tree and create a new one that is not in control of people's lives.
Great video! You know the more we learn, the more the mystery deepens. So far, when talking about Aether (Traveler), I keep gaining more questions and likely scenarios then answering older ones. I now have now increased my theories on how Aether lost his power from 2 to 3. As more and more, its seemingly like Lumine (Abyss sibling) might have never lost their original power. 1.) The Sustainer stripped Aether of his power to use for some purpose. 2.) Nahida somehow has misinformation and Aether is the 3rd Descender that had their power torn away by the 1st and 2nd Descenders. And left for dead, possibly. 3.) Dain's siblings stole Aether's power. Heck, if the last one is possible, than its even plausible that Khaenri'ah as whole is the 2nd Descender; with maybe King Irmin as the main Descendeer with his people with him. HoYo is really cooking a good story.
I am inclined to believe that Celestia is not an enemy. If they were, then killing siblings seems more reasonable for them rather than leaving potential threats before going to slumber.
1:34 Hm. I think it was more that Lumine (Sibling) considered Dainsleif a failure, and a personal enemy. But a traitor to Khaenri'ah? I don't think so. But perhaps I'm forgetting a line from somewhere?
You’re right; I misremembered the dialogue. Dainsleif has only “betrayed” the Abyss Order and not the people of Khaenriah itself. - “It's just my opinion, but a word of advice: You shouldn't place too much trust in them. But at the same time, don't go too far in the opposite direction... Don't go trying to overthrow them or hunt them down...Lest I repeat the failings of my forebears.” I’ve always just interpreted it as him being a traitor to Khaenriah since the Abyss Order consists of Khaenriahns. And given Lumine's disdain for him, I can’t help but think he did or didn’t do something she counts as a betrayal. Otherwise, she’d consider him an enemy for failing to stop five people with world-shattering power.
The way Sibling says Dainsleif "failed" to prevent the cataclysm somehow has always seemed off, because how would he stop the Unknown God? But now it seems like maybe something went down between Dainsleif and the "Sinners" leading to .... stuff? At least that's a possible way he could make a difference. Well I did have another thought about it but that seems less likely. Really a lot rides on who messed up the Unknown God. @@iamsyncx
Nah, the Eye of the first field tiller is just a piece of Khaenri'ahn technology, while the Genesis Pearl is Nibelung's power source, his dragon pearl. To explain the difference, while the Eye can power the Loom of Fate that can create Ley lines, the Genesis Pearl can terraform the entirety of Teyvat. They're on completely different scales. Also, the Gnostic Chorus story most likely refers to the 2nd and 3rd descenders.
Considering the Abyss Order has been hunting the eye down since 1.4, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was made with something that can’t be replicated. It could be something from Nibelung, a seelie, etc., but whatever it is must be powerful. I don’t personally believe Nibelung had that much power by himself. Still, the ability to create Leylines is even more potent than terraformation, in my opinion, since they shape reality and fate as a whole.
@@reveriesend4668 The Genesis Pearl should be in Celestia's possession. There's no way Khaenri'ah managed to get it. As for the Eye, I think it should be Azosite, or an improved prototype of Azosite that can recharge itself. Or maybe it's Abyssal Power, tho I'm not too sure about that.
@@iamsyncx From what we know Khaenri'ah only used two types of energy in their technology, Azosite and Abyssal Power. The Eye is some kind of prototype, by the looks of it it seems to glow the same color as Azosite, but I guess it could also be Abyssal Power, or maybe a combination. Nibelung was the effective ruler of Teyvat, he should have had full authority and power over Teyvat before Phanes came. It's speculated that Phanes used the Genesis Pearl to terraform Teyvat. Anyway, the Eye being an Azosite prototype makes sense, because Azosite is pure elemental energy from Ley Lines. It could be actively connected to the Ley Lines, hence why it keeps regenerating its power, and that's why it can be used to make the Loom of Fate. Edit - By terraforming I also mean the Ley Lines, there's no reason why Nibelung and even the other dragon Sovereigns couldn't control the Ley Lines. We know Celestia used the Nails to mend the Ley Lines and remove Abyssal corruption from them, it would make sense that the Dragons, who were in tune with the essence of Teyvat(and had the Authorities/Pearls) could do it at will.
Nothing in the game states about the connection of the Genesis Pearl and Nibelung. Although it kinda makes sense, we haven't been introduced to any specific lore about Nibelung aside from him being the Sovereign King.
I think that they’re separate and the Sustainer was tasked with watching over Teyvat while the Heavenly Principles are away. But when Lumine says the “Heavenly Principles,” she may mean both.
I get the feeling that the heavenly principles refers to a system and the sustainer is just a servant of that system, in multiple lore drops you keep hearing about four things that make descender, the power to sustain, create, destroy and whater the fourth one was (I forgot).
My guess is that the Sustainer is part of the 4 Shining Shades and they are collectively called The Heavenly Principles with each Shade ruling over an aspect
I feel the Abyss Twin just shrugged their way though the conversation with their sibling. It felt nonchalant and disrespectful. Their discussion wasn’t even worthy of a memory wipe. You got a weak justification from the Abyss twin why they are working with the murder cult, and Traveler didn’t bother asking anything a normal person would ask their sibling when they haven’t seen each other in years. Throw in the fight Dain had offscreen, and then that stupid photo -like wtf? That photo felt like a contrived attempt at making the Abyss Twin sympathetic. And we as the Traveler are supposed to be okay with the Abyss Twin hurting whoever because the ends justify the means? No thanks. Just disappointed overall. I hope Natlan is better.
i didn't think the conversation was nonchalant and disrespectful at all. it gave off more of a bittersweet heartache-y vibe. the abyss twin did say they missed the traveler, "touched" their face, and said what i believe was "i love you" before the reality broke. also, you're so right about the other stuff but i also think the abyss twin was in some state of shock and that's why they didn't ask the important things? idk it's probably a reach but yeah their expressions and tone read as stunned. it's the same way they acted the last time they saw them.
Spoiler for the 4.7 archon quest - Did Dain tell us about the sinners before or after the new implanted memories were given to him, I wonder if it is also possible that some of the information may be mislead then if it was after..
The Collected Miscellanies are for people who already play the game but want more information about upcoming characters. Trailers and cutscenes (like the battle pass) get used as promotional material, and Lumine is used as the Abyss Sibling to avoid confusing potential players.
Any corrections or additional info will be added to this comment!
- Vedrfolnir, NOT Visefnir.
- I forgot to include this in the end, but the Caribert quest description also supports the idea of the twins having relations to Teyvat.
• “If the one who weaves fate may be born here, then let the one who witnesses fate see it all.”
- I think Vedrfolnir is the “Self-Proclaimed Prophet” in Dainsleif’s character card.
For me they have a connection with Pahnes....that's why Lumine is called royalty and the traveler has power to rival the world. Perhaps both are a new Sansara of his, bipartite, since Phanes was androgynous.That's why Paymon is faithful to the traveler.
The idea of the twins maybe born in teyvat/have connection to teyvat since very begining always there in the back of my mind but there’s no quite evidence to support it. Heck, I even think that one of their parents maybe someone from teyvat, and the other from other world. I remember this game have one lore that similar to this situation, I think it’s the seelie princess or something? I forgot, it’s from long long ago. Maybe celestia or at least the heavenly principles sees the twins are product of arrogation of human kind by mixing the two races? Man, I’d really need the genshin anime hoyo promised us right now to see more 😂
Genshin prologue : Fight a Dragon
Genshin ending : This game has never existed. It was an artificial mandela effect test by UN.
and we where sleeping in our ''home world''
The most strong impression from this quest for me it's definition what Twins already find their new home world, cause they are together. In first twin quest was more cold dynamic, but here in convo abyss twin says : we are in this world together, so we find home. Yes, now we busy with different things, but in the end we will meet together in the field of flowers, what you dreamed to see
I had an aneurysm reading this
"Then, the threads of all fate will be yours to re-weave"
a line from the travail trailer at the end, hoyo is COOKING
Vedrfolnir, “The Visionary”
Hyroptatyr, “The Wise”
Rhinedottir, “Gold”
Surtalogi, “The Foul”
Rerir, “Rächer of Solnari”
Dainslef, “Bough keeper”
It all makes sense
Irmin, The Vinser King
@MuhammadFaisal-me8xk indeed faisal bhai sab sense bnata ha
Hold on please explain how it makes sense..😅
This AQ has made me think about an old theory I had, since the release of 3.4 and it is that if the Irminsul is so powerful to alter reality and people's memories, what does it tell us that humans of Teyvat are really human? What if in the original war in which Enkanomiya ended under the sea, the human race that existed almost entirely disappeared along with the Seeles, and to make up for things, the winner of that conflict not only created new humans with the power that the irminsul had, but also modified the memories of the survivors of the first civilization (the few that remained) to make them believe that they have always been Phanes, but some resisted and these were probably the ones who founded Khaenria.
The other thing is what tells us that the Archons War could also have been an invention through the Ley lines, because if we think about it, this mission has shown us that Cariberto was able to make an entire village believe in his existence, even to such an extent that one of its inhabitants was in love with him. And if that was with a simple fragment of the sinner's power, what would Celestia not be capable of on a large scale and with absolute control.
Well, it is very curious that if the Gnosis are the remains of the 3rd descended, how come there is not a single record of what happened to him, beyond the information that Skirk told us and what the Fatui found. Well, if the 3rd was so powerful, when he died his body must have expelled a large amount of elemental energy since, similar to the traveler, he may have had control of the seven elements.
That’s a very interesting idea! I find the general idea possible since we’ve been shown that Celestia will burry civilizations to hide their secrets. In the case of the Khaenriahn’s, I can’t help but wonder if they’re the descendants of an outlander or the dragons. After all, Neuvillette was able to hand out a draconic vision even after the divine throne was destroyed.
- However, I’m not entirely sure about the idea of humans existing before the Primordial One if not only because the dragons dislike them. But it is possible that the humans we see now are different from what they once were.
@@iamsyncx Exactly, I also come to have the same ideas, that perhaps the Khaenrians were descendants of hybrids between humans and dragons, (since it is mentioned that after the defeat of the 7 sovereigns they sank to the Dark Sea and the depths) or if they were hybrids of humans and Seeles, since Genshin takes inspiration from concepts of Christianity and in the Christian Bible (I don't know if the Gnostics have something similar) it is mentioned that in the era before the Flood, there was a hybrid race of humans and Angels called Nephelins , its existence being one of the reasons why God sent the flood, since that was something forbidden.
So it is possible that something similar to that story happened in Teyvat, thanks to the crowns and the Narcizentcroist Quest. We know that there was a flood in Teyvat and Remus said that the existence of Fontaine was a mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if that entire mission was an analogy to what happened in a remote past that was erased or altered from Irminsul.
I believe this theory is already semi-canon since we already know that humans are not native to teyvat. They were created by the PO. So as you stated, it would not be unreasonable to assume that irminsul is a way of controlling all living beings(or even sentient things, like a puppet for example) on teyvat, especially with its nature of being able to 'alter reality'. It really brings to question what will happen to EVERYONE once we finally realize we need to burn irminsul to truly return teyvat to the dragons. (Also, the fact that we MIGHT need to kill the archons in a manner of speaking to return the sovereigns' power to their rightful owners)
The 3rd descender isn’t recorded in irminsul because descenders aren’t recorded by irminsul generally since they aren’t from Teyvat, it’s the same with the traveler, they aren’t recorded in irminsul either because they’re a descender
I like this theory tho
@@violetsareadifferentshadeo4026 I know that, but there is something that does not add up, although the 3rd could not be remembered by the Irminsul, his actions were, because everything that happened in each of the nations that we have visited will remain recorded, and everyone will only remember us as the visitor from afar, just as happens with the one who married the ancestor of the Seelies.
Besides, if there really were no records left about the 3rd, then how do the Fatui know that there were 3 of them before the traveler, if they are supposed to be inhabitants of Teyvat, or how does the Avatar of the Irminsul (Nahida) Do you know that the first one was HP? It is not a little incongruous to say that "there are no records about them" but at the same time we have objects like before the sun and the moon where it speaks of a 2nd throne of heaven. That's why I think that the Irminsul information has been so altered that anything that is not a Fairy Tale or a Work of Fiction is the least reliable source in the Game.
I was also wondering... Caribert became the loom of fate a long time ago... And it seems, it can mess with Dain's memory. How can we be sure it didn't do it before? Maybe not everything he contributed to erosion is in fact that... Maybe Lumine made him forget some things deliberately... So far, I have no ideas what, but I was wondering about it during the quest... That Dain's memories cannot be trusted...
I also was thinking... if the PO or the one after could modify the records of Irminsul or something... There is mention about history being rewritten - why Enkonomia sank - then... Maybe nothing we know can be trusted... But our sibling likely traveled through time and so could confirm things.
(Likely we will save her by traveling back in time because there is a time travel story in one of the books)
So... What I am trying to say is that we might end up having big surprises in the future.
I am also curious why Paimon couldn't join us in Caribert's mind realm... Based on her comments, she is with us when we fight (even when don't see her) but she didn't come with us there... And why no one asks who is she? Sure, our emergency food, but no one probes further. Especially, how come our sibling doesn't ask anything about her?
Since Celestia sleeps, could it be that she fallen off or something and got reincarnated or miniturized and doesn't have and of her memories (yet)?
And the vidions are given out from the power of archons but it is forced upon them by the gnoses... But to what end? Why would Celestia want that?
There's no way Pierro is one of them because he puts his trust in an archon.
Well....my crazy theory goes back to what I already said about Remuria.
Remember Collei's dream and Irminsul being burned?Who knows what the wish of the order and the fatui is to cut a branch from the tree, burn Irminsul and plant a new one? "Incandescent Ode of Resurrection" . Some points to consider:
1- The metaphor of the heavenly tree described how Pahnes needed to sacrifice the tree with greatest power to repair the castle's beams.
2- Remuria talks about Irminsul being the fortune. The loom of destiny is about manipulating the ley lines, but I believe it is a manipulation that is not just "disruptions" but rather total control recreating it.
3- Remember what Nicole said about there are hidden corners that Celestia does not know about, to refer to the Focalors plane. Making Irminsul believe that it is in control of destiny, and people are following "the plans", she did Celestia appears to be "sleeping". The problem is not Celestia's sleep per se, but how much Celestia accesses information through the tree. Celestia only knows what Irminsul provides.
4- In the war with the archons in Kanriah, Rukadevata was sent to protect the tree. This was the way the gods controlled people.The tree itself ordered Celestia to protect her from the abyss. The abyss is the only power that can against the tree. This is why it is said: whoever controls the power of the abyss controls everything! If Remuria's theory is correct, we will have Pahnes and Nibelungo allies, trying prevent fortune from causing the destruction of what Pahnes built. Fortune is the tree. The tree is not as "good" as we think. Phobos represents the control that Irminsul has over people's desires, as she not only grants good ones, but devil desires as well. Why we dont have references to Pahnes and the tree or anyone who was responsible for it, since it Is the life of the planet? Well, no one can dominate the tree. Just be an "avatar" or "vigilante" like Sybilla and Rukadevata were, people responsible for it.
5- We have three forces fighting each other in Teyvat: Irminsul (Celestia corrupted by evil desires), Abyss (and the order of the abyss) and the Traveler (e fatui them, because if it is real about the tree burning and the "Incandescent ode of resurrection", the fatui wish to free themselves from both domains, both the tree and the abyss. The question now is: Where does Childe come into this? Only someone who has access to the abyss and provides valuable information, just like Scaramouche and his connection with Raiden, who therefore has a connection with Irminsul and the tree in Narukami? And we still have Peruere, who would have the most connection with the bright shadows of Pahnes, if these are the moon goddesses, in addition to having important members coming from Kaenriah.Tsaritsa gathered all possible information from all sides to come up with an audacious plan to replace the tree and create a new one that is not in control of people's lives.
Isn’t it odd that he said that “betrayed me” not just as a sibling. But it’s like he was the one who actually ruled Khaneriah
I cracked up that all the lore theorists were all wrong and I was wrong too. LOL Well not Deshrit, not Neibelheim, and not Irimin.
I was really expecting it to be King Irmin! The brother reveal came completely out of left field. I guess that’s the beauty of a theory you lol.
I avoided trying to guess who that sinner was because there really was no piece to go with it, and all the pieces are clearly not revealed yet lmao.
Great video! You know the more we learn, the more the mystery deepens. So far, when talking about Aether (Traveler), I keep gaining more questions and likely scenarios then answering older ones. I now have now increased my theories on how Aether lost his power from 2 to 3. As more and more, its seemingly like Lumine (Abyss sibling) might have never lost their original power.
1.) The Sustainer stripped Aether of his power to use for some purpose.
2.) Nahida somehow has misinformation and Aether is the 3rd Descender that had their power torn away by the 1st and 2nd Descenders. And left for dead, possibly.
3.) Dain's siblings stole Aether's power.
Heck, if the last one is possible, than its even plausible that Khaenri'ah as whole is the 2nd Descender; with maybe King Irmin as the main Descendeer with his people with him. HoYo is really cooking a good story.
The Sinners are the God Hand from Berserk! And Dainsleif is a mix of Gaiseric and Guts in his quest for Vengeance!
I am inclined to believe that Celestia is not an enemy. If they were, then killing siblings seems more reasonable for them rather than leaving potential threats before going to slumber.
1:34 Hm. I think it was more that Lumine (Sibling) considered Dainsleif a failure, and a personal enemy. But a traitor to Khaenri'ah? I don't think so. But perhaps I'm forgetting a line from somewhere?
You’re right; I misremembered the dialogue. Dainsleif has only “betrayed” the Abyss Order and not the people of Khaenriah itself.
- “It's just my opinion, but a word of advice: You shouldn't place too much trust in them. But at the same time, don't go too far in the opposite direction... Don't go trying to overthrow them or hunt them down...Lest I repeat the failings of my forebears.”
I’ve always just interpreted it as him being a traitor to Khaenriah since the Abyss Order consists of Khaenriahns. And given Lumine's disdain for him, I can’t help but think he did or didn’t do something she counts as a betrayal. Otherwise, she’d consider him an enemy for failing to stop five people with world-shattering power.
The way Sibling says Dainsleif "failed" to prevent the cataclysm somehow has always seemed off, because how would he stop the Unknown God? But now it seems like maybe something went down between Dainsleif and the "Sinners" leading to .... stuff? At least that's a possible way he could make a difference. Well I did have another thought about it but that seems less likely. Really a lot rides on who messed up the Unknown God.
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Nah, the Eye of the first field tiller is just a piece of Khaenri'ahn technology, while the Genesis Pearl is Nibelung's power source, his dragon pearl. To explain the difference, while the Eye can power the Loom of Fate that can create Ley lines, the Genesis Pearl can terraform the entirety of Teyvat. They're on completely different scales.
Also, the Gnostic Chorus story most likely refers to the 2nd and 3rd descenders.
that's the thing: we don't know what was the material they used to make the eye of the first field tiller.
Considering the Abyss Order has been hunting the eye down since 1.4, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was made with something that can’t be replicated. It could be something from Nibelung, a seelie, etc., but whatever it is must be powerful. I don’t personally believe Nibelung had that much power by himself. Still, the ability to create Leylines is even more potent than terraformation, in my opinion, since they shape reality and fate as a whole.
@@reveriesend4668 The Genesis Pearl should be in Celestia's possession. There's no way Khaenri'ah managed to get it.
As for the Eye, I think it should be Azosite, or an improved prototype of Azosite that can recharge itself. Or maybe it's Abyssal Power, tho I'm not too sure about that.
@@iamsyncx From what we know Khaenri'ah only used two types of energy in their technology, Azosite and Abyssal Power. The Eye is some kind of prototype, by the looks of it it seems to glow the same color as Azosite, but I guess it could also be Abyssal Power, or maybe a combination.
Nibelung was the effective ruler of Teyvat, he should have had full authority and power over Teyvat before Phanes came. It's speculated that Phanes used the Genesis Pearl to terraform Teyvat.
Anyway, the Eye being an Azosite prototype makes sense, because Azosite is pure elemental energy from Ley Lines. It could be actively connected to the Ley Lines, hence why it keeps regenerating its power, and that's why it can be used to make the Loom of Fate.
Edit - By terraforming I also mean the Ley Lines, there's no reason why Nibelung and even the other dragon Sovereigns couldn't control the Ley Lines.
We know Celestia used the Nails to mend the Ley Lines and remove Abyssal corruption from them, it would make sense that the Dragons, who were in tune with the essence of Teyvat(and had the Authorities/Pearls) could do it at will.
Nothing in the game states about the connection of the Genesis Pearl and Nibelung. Although it kinda makes sense, we haven't been introduced to any specific lore about Nibelung aside from him being the Sovereign King.
Cant wait for more story❤
Been waiting for this
I wonder why heavenly principle didnt woke up when water arcon died
May I ask the ost for the outro?
It’s a looped version of “For Beatrice” from “A Series of Unfortunate Events”
i can’t concentrate bc of the musics :’)
Is Visefnir suppose to be Vedrfolnir? Or are you talking about someone else entirely?
Thank you for pointing that out! I don’t know how I misspelt it.
Question: is the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles and the Heavenly Principles the same?
True i dont understand which they are talking abt shp or hp (sibling whom they are talking abt?)
Paimon is the sustainer of heavenly principles. But she lost her powers hence the heavenly principles fell asleep😮
I think that they’re separate and the Sustainer was tasked with watching over Teyvat while the Heavenly Principles are away. But when Lumine says the “Heavenly Principles,” she may mean both.
I get the feeling that the heavenly principles refers to a system and the sustainer is just a servant of that system, in multiple lore drops you keep hearing about four things that make descender, the power to sustain, create, destroy and whater the fourth one was (I forgot).
My guess is that the Sustainer is part of the 4 Shining Shades and they are collectively called The Heavenly Principles with each Shade ruling over an aspect
Are we not going to get a interlude quest for Fontaine?
I think we will since the Traveler’s Character Story 3 is still locked.
Outro music?
“For Beatrice” from “A Series of Unfortunate Events”
I feel the Abyss Twin just shrugged their way though the conversation with their sibling. It felt nonchalant and disrespectful. Their discussion wasn’t even worthy of a memory wipe. You got a weak justification from the Abyss twin why they are working with the murder cult, and Traveler didn’t bother asking anything a normal person would ask their sibling when they haven’t seen each other in years. Throw in the fight Dain had offscreen, and then that stupid photo -like wtf? That photo felt like a contrived attempt at making the Abyss Twin sympathetic. And we as the Traveler are supposed to be okay with the Abyss Twin hurting whoever because the ends justify the means? No thanks.
Just disappointed overall. I hope Natlan is better.
THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
i didn't think the conversation was nonchalant and disrespectful at all. it gave off more of a bittersweet heartache-y vibe. the abyss twin did say they missed the traveler, "touched" their face, and said what i believe was "i love you" before the reality broke. also, you're so right about the other stuff but i also think the abyss twin was in some state of shock and that's why they didn't ask the important things? idk it's probably a reach but yeah their expressions and tone read as stunned. it's the same way they acted the last time they saw them.
The background music man…
hmm I like your bias conclusion. interesting. hmm....
oh you still go with the samsara connection too there.
loved it
Bro all nice and good but who the fuck is Paimon? We have no info about her and nobody questions her in teyvat, they just accept her.
Spoiler for the 4.7 archon quest -
Did Dain tell us about the sinners before or after the new implanted memories were given to him, I wonder if it is also possible that some of the information may be mislead then if it was after..
Revenge again? Really Sasuke? smh
BRO PLEASE USE "TRAVELER AND SIBLING" INSTEAD OF "LUMINE AND AETHER", it confuses the fuck out of me
Music is louder than your voice,hard to listen
Wow UA-cam deleted my long a$$ comment that was not even offensive 🤡
I wish they’d stop doing that. I have all comment moderation turned off yet people’s comments still get auto-blocked.
Awww
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Except Dainsleif uses they/them pronouns for the sibling in trailers. It's very unlikely that "she" is the sibling.
What do you mean? Dainsleif has never referred to the sibling by any pronouns in any livestream trailer and just says “your sibling.”
Yeah in travail as well as in story quest all where dain was present
@@iamsyncx Dain uses "they", just check Collei's collected miscellany, 4:21
The Collected Miscellanies are for people who already play the game but want more information about upcoming characters. Trailers and cutscenes (like the battle pass) get used as promotional material, and Lumine is used as the Abyss Sibling to avoid confusing potential players.